[CSAP 628] The Origins of Evil, Part 2 - Clay Jones

[@JasonTrivium]

I'm so glad to hear Clay Jones opposing theistic evolution. He is right, if there was no first Adam, the theology of the Bible makes no sense at all. I am a young earth creationist, and I also realize that if the Earth is old it causes serious theological problems as well. God bless.

[@grey.knight]

Never knew Norm MacDonald was a theologian...

[@Jere616]

The one thing God did not tell Adam was how he would die. So, he could not know if the tree was poisonous. So, he let Eve eat it first in his presence. If she dropped dead or show signs of trouble, he would refuse. She must have said something very encouraging, like "This is delicious! try some." So, he felt safe to eat. His confession is one of admission, but excuses himself in the world's first example of victimhood.

[@Jere616]

What spelled Eve's doom was that the serpent had the last word. That is the worst thing in dealing with temptation and deceptions of the enemy. In the wilderness, Jesus taught us the value of having the appropriate word of God at the ready and that it is we who are to have the last word in such battles if we hope to win. 2 Cor 10:3-5.

[@Jere616]

Ireneaus explains the expression "in the day" that Adam should die as the "divine" day of a thousand years. It certainly seems to be borne out because no one ever lived out even one divine day the oldest being Methusaleh at 969. Adam died at 930, leaving us the 70. Both Enoch and Elijah continue past that but not on the death-cursed earth, but with God in his world.

[@Jere616]

I doubt Eve was having a senior moment when she quoted God, due to her just being created perfect. Yet she said God forbade the touching of the tree as well as not eating of it. The only way she could have had any knowledge about what God said was from Adam, for he alone heard the command. It means Adam added this "fence law" as part of the quote, making her vulnerable to the serpent. It is a curse to add/take from his word. Adam "taught as doctrine, the commandments of men." (Mk 7:7)