JFETs and Solid State Amplification | Too Afraid To Ask

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Science of Loud

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@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud 2 жыл бұрын
Are JFETs better than Valves? Let's discuss the science of semiconductors and the operation of transistors to determine the advantages of Solid State Amplification. Super Crush 100 Review - kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmHXqJ6qgrR2h9E How Valve Amps Work - kzbin.info/www/bejne/lWKaYXyifJ6cn8U Get your Super Crush 100: Thomann - www.thomann.de/gb/orange_super_crush_100_head.htm?offid=1&affid=367 Sweetwater - imp.i114863.net/LP2mzj This video contains paid promotion from Orange Amplification More details on how CSGuitars implements product promotion - www.csguitars.co.uk/disclosure Timecodes: Introduction - 00:00 Semiconductor Science - 01:27 Diode Rectification - 04:58 JFET Preamp - 05:45 MOSFET Poweramp - 07:51 Other Considerations - 10:04 Sound Samples - 11:42 Conclusion - 12:12 #JFET #solidstate #orange More from CSGuitars: Gain access to exclusive content at: www.patreon.com/csguitars Join CSGuitars Discord - discord.gg/csguitars Buy CSGuitars Merchandise - www.csguitars.co.uk/store Website - www.csguitars.co.uk Contact - colin@csguitars.co.uk ____________________________________________________________________ *Description contains affiliate links. Purchasing using one of these links will generate a small commission for CSGuitars at no additional cost to you.* Affiliate Links: Thomann - www.thomann.de/gb/index.html?offid=1&affid=367 Sweetwater - imp.i114863.net/2mGGg Reverb - reverb.grsm.io/csguitars Crimson Luthiery Tools - www.crimsonguitars.com/?ref=csguitars + Discount Code 'CSGUITARS5' for 5% OFF Gthic Jewelry - gthic.com/?aff=230 + Discount Code 'colin20' for 20% OFF Title graphics and logo by: www.studiosmithdesign.co.uk/ Join the discussion at: Facebook - facebook.com/csguitars Instagram - instagram.com/csguitars/ Discord - discord.gg/csguitars
@Typical.Anomaly
@Typical.Anomaly 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, great video! I've watched quite a few explanations of semiconductors and your delivery, as always, is concise and entertaining. 🤘
@stimpsonjcat26
@stimpsonjcat26 2 жыл бұрын
I have an idea for you. Take a well known tube amp and measure it's frequency output then take a solid state amp and eq its output to be the same as the tube amp. Then compare the sound. Might be tricky to match input gain though as a tube and jfet might not act the same at the same input voltage.
@ParaBellum2024
@ParaBellum2024 2 жыл бұрын
@@stimpsonjcat26 I have an idea. Take some decent tranny amps and some decent valve amps, put them in band situations and play through them at proper live gigs, and then decide which ones sound best, weigh the least, take up the least space, cut through the mix, etc. Top Trumps for guitar amps. Before buying my Sessionette in 1985, I owned a Marshall head and 4 x 12 cab. I have no doubt it sounded good, but it was so big and heavy that the 1 x 12 tranny combo was a no-brainer at the time. My Fender BDR is bigger than the Sessionette, but not massive.
@Ben-yy7io
@Ben-yy7io 2 жыл бұрын
@@stimpsonjcat26 The frequency response may be the same, but you have to measure the dynamic response from the amp. That is the key differency between valves and solid state devices, the changes that occur over time, rather than over frequency. You could potentially model the exact frequency response and harmonic content, but getting the dynamic response will be a lot more complicated. It would be impossible to replicate with a solid state amp, but potentially possible with modelers.
@stimpsonjcat26
@stimpsonjcat26 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ben-yy7io That is the point. To control what you can and see how much difference there is in what you can't easily control.
@MickMod
@MickMod 2 жыл бұрын
As an electrical engineer, it's always nice when someone talking about electronics also happen to know what they're talking about. Thanks for the great videos Colin!
@sirena7116
@sirena7116 2 жыл бұрын
Same.
@Rudromukherjeenerv
@Rudromukherjeenerv 2 жыл бұрын
Also same
@jtownguitar5
@jtownguitar5 2 жыл бұрын
How do you find out if someone is an engineer ?
@NerdyCatCoffeeee
@NerdyCatCoffeeee 2 жыл бұрын
@@jtownguitar5 If we don't tell you, can we even be considered engineers?
@appaio
@appaio Жыл бұрын
I wonder what did stick in anyone’s mind of the talk in this video. I tell you: nothing.
@agufish
@agufish 2 жыл бұрын
The last two seconds of the video is the only part I'm fully confident that I understood.
@Terry3Gs
@Terry3Gs 2 жыл бұрын
LMAOL TERRIBLE Hunter !! :P
@killroy123
@killroy123 2 жыл бұрын
As an engineer, I can confidently say I have no idea what the last 2 seconds of the video mean
@jaxonvictoria4345
@jaxonvictoria4345 2 жыл бұрын
Remember when you also said “jai” fet instead of the American English way of saying it 😂😂
@ronnienose8608
@ronnienose8608 2 жыл бұрын
@@jaxonvictoria4345 J as "Jay" transcends American English and British English, it's just English. The etymology of the Scottish English pronunciation of the letter would be interesting (but then I'm a bit sad in wanting to know that, haha).
@Chirn70
@Chirn70 2 жыл бұрын
Hehe! Borderline racism! 😆
@fuadfarooqi2304
@fuadfarooqi2304 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, I'm an Electrical and Electronics Engineer and you explained this concept better than any professor ever did to us. Good Job! Cheers.
@vadymvv
@vadymvv 7 ай бұрын
It was the same our prophesor did explaine it. But that amount information was in one month of studying
@09philj
@09philj 2 жыл бұрын
Now you've explained JFETs and MOSFETs, explaining op amps seems like a good idea of what to do next.
@4stringz.
@4stringz. 2 жыл бұрын
I second that!
@georgerobartes5989
@georgerobartes5989 2 жыл бұрын
Not keen on op amps , even those with JFET structures known as the Fetzer Valve . I use J201s or BF245s to construct valve like circuitry for guitar preamps to obtain the tube sound with less fuss an smaller footprint than using an op amp for amplification purposes . Opamps too can suffer from being out of spec like JFETs and sometimes a selection process is needed to find what you need from a batch or bias them correctly , just like a valve . Want to build a compact powerful amp with valve like sound JFETs will get you there with a Power Mosfet output section at minimal expense . Unless you want to spend a fortune in copper and iron to build a bass amp that can get down to those fundamental 20Hz frequencies . JFETs and Moses are the only way to go . If you drop 20 Hz into your calcs for an output transformer for a 5W bassamp the OT grows to the proportions of a 100W Marshall or Hi Watt guitar OT about 3 times the size of the mains transformer . A lightweight valve bassamp does not exist and most designated bassamps by the big companies were converted to guitar amps despite their preamp design as inefficient OTs were fitted . The Fender Bassman for example , one of the most popular guitar amps around !
@TedSchoenling
@TedSchoenling 2 жыл бұрын
op amps are just jfet or mofets built together to do amplification.
@georgerobartes5989
@georgerobartes5989 2 жыл бұрын
@@TedSchoenling No as they require a power supply both negative and positive directly to the device whereas the JFET works with the B+ in the circuit just like a tube .
@TedSchoenling
@TedSchoenling 2 жыл бұрын
@@georgerobartes5989 I can, using dicreet componets, construct an op amp. Heck, the first op amp used tubes.. so yeah, basically an op amp is just the packaging of one or many discreet circuits... with the biasing and all the other stuff done... a TL072 can be made with off the shelf jfets if you want, and folks in the DIY community have indeed done this.. just for kicks..
@RenzelPerez
@RenzelPerez 2 жыл бұрын
Being a guitar player and an engineer myself, I really appreciate technical videos like this. For the typical viewers, the video is still very informative without being unnecessarily complicated. Great work!
@dustrider9306
@dustrider9306 2 жыл бұрын
I second that.
@mikewithers299
@mikewithers299 Жыл бұрын
I've had a difficult time trying to wrap my head around how P junctions work for years. Now it all makes sense. Nobody has helped me visualize this concept like this guy. I play guitar and love fixing my amps and other electronics but now I want to learn more🤩
@kaushalsuvarna5156
@kaushalsuvarna5156 Жыл бұрын
As a typical viewer I agree, I never understood or liked electric circuits etc. in school
@CitizenOfEverywhere
@CitizenOfEverywhere 2 жыл бұрын
The transistor is definitely a contender for "Greatest Human Invention (yet)". In many parts of the world, many people own hundreds of millions of them, and very few people know what they even do, let alone how they work. Guitars, engineering, science, beer, bbq and alpacas are my favorite things!
@mickavoidant4780
@mickavoidant4780 2 жыл бұрын
Solid state beer might be something to see.
@saintrhoads3375
@saintrhoads3375 2 жыл бұрын
I only drink beer with el-34 power amp sections
@castleanthrax1833
@castleanthrax1833 2 жыл бұрын
I'm rather partial to llamas.
@HaroonRahman
@HaroonRahman 2 жыл бұрын
There's a potentially true statistic saying that the semiconductor is the second most produced component in human history after the nail, and I 100% believe it
@CitizenOfEverywhere
@CitizenOfEverywhere 2 жыл бұрын
@@HaroonRahman Well, in 2014, Forbes calculated that 2.9 sextillion transistors had been shipped, and there is no way that many nails ever got made. Also consider that nails have only been mass produced items for the last 200 years or so, and transistors already maybe for the last 50 years.
@grayaj23
@grayaj23 2 жыл бұрын
The thing I find amazing about semiconductors is that, like CRTs and lasers, they were invented after someone "got over" the fundamental weirdness of quantum theory and trusted what the math was telling them. It's only by understanding the quantums at a fundamental level that the devices were even conceivable. And at the times they were first proposed, many physicists thought they were utter nonsense. "You're taking the math too seriously! Obviously that will never work, it makes no sense!" until someone went and built the f'n thing and it worked exactly how the theory predicted. Any time someone wants to get on their computer to talk sh*t about how scientists don't know what they're doing, you gotta laugh. Every time you turn it on, your PC and cellphone proves it's all true.
@TheStrykerProject
@TheStrykerProject 2 жыл бұрын
The 'tunneling diode'. Ha, ha, ha. Impossible! 😆
@ike2010
@ike2010 2 жыл бұрын
So true. Until the Many Worlds crowd comes to the table, or the String Theory crowd comes along, etc., etc. As someone with a Computer Science degree, science still ain’t perfect.
@grayaj23
@grayaj23 2 жыл бұрын
@@ike2010 I think you're missing the point. *Interpretation* is open to debate. The theory is not. Transistors are proof. Cathode ray tubes and lasers are proof. GPS/satnav devices prove Einstein right every time we don't crash into a building.
@hoboroadie4623
@hoboroadie4623 2 жыл бұрын
Don't know what you are going on about but it seems like the sort of thing that works in a better brain. Not sure how I got there, Coffee maybe, but once I was wrassling with the maths around Einstein's Theory of something. Anyway, for a couple of hours I could see how the numbers were adding up to the mathematical feasibility of "time travel". Just saying, that stuff is pretty much witchcraft to the primitive mind like mine, but it is really a thing. ☝️
@auntjenifer7774
@auntjenifer7774 2 жыл бұрын
It doesn't "prove all of it's true" because it only proves that the science and math behind electric components because they are measurable and proudly provable but that doesn't mean everything is true in science for that one thing (measuring electric components) and not proof of the world being flat. Do you understand ?
@LouieTM
@LouieTM 2 жыл бұрын
I've owned and used a Rockerverb 50 MKIII for over a year. Last month I bought a SC100 and after just 3 band rehearsals I sold the Rockerverb. In a band situation the two amps sounded indistinguishable from each other through the same PPC212 cab. In the past I had also tried a Crush Pro 120 which didn't convince me to give up of the RV50. Although I still have 3 other valve amps, the SC100 is my No. 1 now.
@eightfootmanchild
@eightfootmanchild 2 жыл бұрын
I completely quit valve amps a few years ago. With such amazing solid state amps on the market today - Orange Crush series, Roland Blues Cube, Boss Katana, all the various profilers, etc - I couldn’t find any good justification for the amount of headache they cause. Solid state, and feelin great.
@only1symo
@only1symo 2 жыл бұрын
Yup, I have sold a mesa mark iv, Orange have nailed it.
@auntjenifer7774
@auntjenifer7774 2 жыл бұрын
I also had the cr120 head and it was pretty good but no where near as good as some of the cheap tube amps I have like the Peavey valveking mk1 120 watt head or even an old crate vintage club 50212 combo that I've got and both are way more versatile and tonally pleasing so I sold the Orange cr120 happily making a nice profit from what I paid for it doubling my money ! Don't get me wrong because there's a few solid state amps I've really really liked such as the orange crush mini 3 watt battery powered amp and there's the Marshall lead 12 and MG15 mini stack with spring reverb and sounds amazingly beautiful and better then my Marshall DSL 15 all tube head unit and the fender frontman amps I've always liked plus the other fender solid state amps from the 1980's sounded good so it's not hate towards solid state amps it's just I didn't like the cr120 but the 100 that you have sounds better and brighter so I could probably use it but I don't see it happening since I'm not in the market for 100 solid state guitar amp anytime soon. Keep on rocking in the free world !
@anthonym8296
@anthonym8296 2 жыл бұрын
Electrical Engineer here, really nailed it. A well designed solid state amp can definitely hold its place with valve amps. I have been preaching this information to all of my friends for a while lol.
@GTRxMan
@GTRxMan 2 жыл бұрын
Agree, up to a point. I think that solid state amps have traditionally not lived up to their tube counterparts in 'feel.' The subtle difference in sound created by picking dynamics and volume changes. Likewise, the power amp clipping of solid state has largely been inferior to the softer clipping of tubes. I think it's largely due to the market demanding tubes rather than solid state. The current generation of modeling amps, though, has made huge strides with these amps being virtually indistinguishable from those which they clone.
@CastToVoid
@CastToVoid 2 жыл бұрын
It's nice to see a take on guitar amplifiers that isn't from the 50s
@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud 2 жыл бұрын
The rate we're advancing we'll finally be accepting 2020s amp tech some time around the heat death of the universe.
@devilsguitaristmusic
@devilsguitaristmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Ironically, digital modeling technology is completely accepted and considered the standard in some circles today, so much so that analog technology is looked down upon by some groups, especially in the younger generation. Just like some in the older generation look down upon digital technology. Analog solid state technology just doesn't have the same kind of following as valve amps or digital modeling. There have been some really great solid state amps but because solid state amps are cheaper to manufacture in general, just about every crappy beginner amp is solid state and people sometimes judge solid state amps like they're all that little Fender 10 watt with the 6" speaker they had when they were 15. Most really bad sounding amps are solid state because they are made to be as cheap as possible but it is possible, as evidence by this Orange Super Crush, that there are good sounding and carefully designed solid state amps.
@outofdinero
@outofdinero 2 жыл бұрын
The interesting thing is that solid state rectifiers help avoid power sag, but sag is part of the quality of tube amps that people like to hear, and it's even an adjustable parameter on some amp modelers.
@larrysteinke1839
@larrysteinke1839 2 жыл бұрын
solid state rectifiers can also allow sag easily by just adding series resistance to the first filter cap. sag is just a form of compression and it can be achieved in different ways. one of the biggest differences in solid state versus tube power stages is the damping factor. Tube power stages inherently have low damping factor which allows the frequency response to follow more the characteristic impedance curve of the speaker. Solid state power amps often simulate this effect by adding current feedback to lower the damping factor.
@vincentl.9469
@vincentl.9469 2 жыл бұрын
@@larrysteinke1839 can you explain why tubes(valves) have made a comeback in Audio amplifiers that for many years were solid state? What is the gain in sound quality there?
@larrysteinke1839
@larrysteinke1839 2 жыл бұрын
@@vincentl.9469 do you mean for HiFi? in my opinion the benefits for HiFi are much more subtle and esoteric because they operate mainly in the linear range with minimal distortion. For guitar though it's the organic and dynamic way it compresses and distorts the signal in a way that sounds good with a very simple (but not very efficient) circuit. Tubes in HiFi are maybe making a comeback more because of fashion and aesthetics.
@andrewpearson1903
@andrewpearson1903 Жыл бұрын
@@ghost_mall This may be why I've only ever seen Orange amps used in real life by metal & post-hardcore bands that use a lot of added distortion. Personally I play that high-headroom, natural-breakup, classic-rock sound that the presenter here admits is still exclusive to decent tube amps and solid states that take a bit more power to sustain that sort of headroom. I think the choice between them should be determined by the player and the style, but I have yet to find a solid state amp that works for (and furthermore is marketed towards) the music I play.
@572Btriode
@572Btriode Жыл бұрын
@@larrysteinke1839 And an army of audiophools. . . . . . . . . . .
@airsoftteamzulu7
@airsoftteamzulu7 2 жыл бұрын
As a guitar player who is also interested in chemistry and engineering can you PLEASE make more videos like this?
@joshuakincheloe
@joshuakincheloe 2 жыл бұрын
I’m actually stunned by the quality of this amp and how good it sounds. To be honest the damn thing just sounds like grunge. It reminds me of old guitar tones from the 90s like Alice In Chains’ Jerry Cantrell‘s tone.
@davedecker1725
@davedecker1725 Жыл бұрын
And it's a lot cheaper than a Friedman
@BkBk-gy6vr
@BkBk-gy6vr Жыл бұрын
@Dave Decker still won't sound nearly as good as a valve amp.
@gaborszpisjak1874
@gaborszpisjak1874 2 жыл бұрын
This was the simple most educating and easy to understand explanation of what the transistors do and how. Better explanation then my highschool teacher gave me. Kepp it up Colin! Great video!
@joplast6915
@joplast6915 2 жыл бұрын
I've looked up how transistors work, but never really understood how they work in the context of amplifying your guitar signal. Your explanation was so insightful! Thank you
@mcswordfish
@mcswordfish 2 жыл бұрын
I love steam-engines. A trip to the Strathspey Steam Railway, or Summerlee in Coatbridge is a great day out. However, I'd be mental if I thought we should continue to use Steam Locomotives outwith these novelty, heritage environments. I think of Valves in much the same way. There are some environments where they are an actual necessity (I believe TV and Radio Transmitter amplifiers used them because Transistor amplifiers would melt with the power-requirements) but beyond that, it's mainly the charm, the romance, and the imperfection folk love about them. There's definitely a market for good, solid-state amplifiers (as opposed to the litany of cheap, crap ones - the sort we all owned at 15) - if I were a gigging musician, I'd strongly consider one. But, I'm a boring fart who plays the same Led Zeppelin riffs in his garage, and with the litany of pretty-damn-good, low-powered valve-amps available, I'll take a steam-engine any day.
@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud 2 жыл бұрын
Summerlee is quality, I love that place. Steam-engines hold that magic, and it's sweet to see people dedicated to them and still sharing in their joy, but if they kept barking in your face about how modern locomotion is garbage and inferior then you'd lose all respect for them. I do love this valves as steam engine analogy, it feels right.
@jonathansmith3262
@jonathansmith3262 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I guess I never hear people argue that valves work better as engineering. Just that people may prefer the sound. I don’t think it is necessarily nostalgia though or just about quaint charm. If we are thinking functionally, yes. But we are also talking about something inherently both functional and aesthetic. So to me it’s more like having a preference for representational oil paintings over photography. Less efficient, yes. But also aesthetically different. And efficiency is only part of the point. There are reasons to use oil today that aren’t nostalgia. Anyhow thanks from St. Louis Missouri for all the good information!
@rossbalch
@rossbalch 2 жыл бұрын
AMT pedals use a JFET preamp design and they sound awesome.
@mercedes260d4
@mercedes260d4 2 жыл бұрын
Had an E1 for awhile, did the Engl thing quite well. Highly recommended.
@RobertKeeleyTV
@RobertKeeleyTV 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, you did an Amazing job Colin! Many engineers couldn't explain it as well. I agree JFETs do a great job substituting for tubes. The Katana Boost is a 100% JFET audio preamp and I agree, those types of circuits sound very, very good.
@jazznotes3802
@jazznotes3802 Жыл бұрын
But that’s a digital amp.
@le_bodo
@le_bodo Жыл бұрын
@@jazznotes3802 He means the Keeley Katana clean boost :)
@SDisonYT
@SDisonYT 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t fathom how much research and prep goes into a video this thorough. Wow. Incredibly impressive knowledge. Thank you! I learned a ton!
@bpabustan
@bpabustan 2 жыл бұрын
Another winner of a video! Colin really has the rare talent of simplifying complicated topics without losing its essence and clarity.
@silasfatchett7380
@silasfatchett7380 9 ай бұрын
Agreed.
@raven_glass
@raven_glass Жыл бұрын
I keep reading and hearing how solid state amps are just as good. All I can say is after 20 years as a professional in music, the ONLY time I have walked in a room after being "WOWed" by hearing an amp (blind) was with class A valve amps. I have just never been blown away by a class D amp even when I didn't know what amp I was hearing.
@Mazda13bRotary
@Mazda13bRotary Жыл бұрын
Orange is paying for these videos right now, I've seen other guitar youtubers promoting the same orange crush with a title along the lines of solid state vs valves or "is solid state better than valves now?".
@fastacesus8499
@fastacesus8499 Жыл бұрын
Agreed except this and many of the new generation SS are class A/B.
@charliecooper5457
@charliecooper5457 2 жыл бұрын
Barry reminds me of those films I saw as a kid where some magical cartoon character appears alongside real-life actors and everyone acts like it's normal and never explains how the universe works.
@stimpsonjcat26
@stimpsonjcat26 2 жыл бұрын
You don't have little characters popping up beside you? You need some help!
@halofour01
@halofour01 2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. The breakdown of what a semi-conductor actually is and how they work was fantastic! I played solid state amps for 25 years. (A Pearce G1 specifically) About 10 years ago I decided to finally see what all the fuss over tube amps was about. It seems to me that you can get equally great sounds out of either but the feel of a tube amp is really where the magic is. A good tube amp feels like you're playing it as part of the instrument, not just playing through it. The lack of perfect response to input means they kind of ebb and flow with your attack. It's pretty cool. These days I own a variety of both type of amps with some modeling stuff as well. It all has its place and suits a mood or application.
@David-tx1ig
@David-tx1ig 2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding discussion on solid-state amps! I learned a lot, cheers! I have been carrying around solid-state amps for nearly 40 years for their cost-effectiveness, portability and reliability. I have an Orange CR-120 that I love! It's like everything from 70's guitar rock to crushing Black Sabbath saturation in a box with no tubes!!
@zedcarr6128
@zedcarr6128 2 жыл бұрын
Another BEAUTIFULLY produced video, Colin. As a guy who has over 30 years experience as an electronic / electrical engineer, I doff my cap in your general direction, sir. I envy the youth of today who have access to truly awesome teachers like yourself, and even with my decades of experience, I have learned a few things when your videos fill in some gaps in my knowledge, we are always learning. On the subject of valves V solid state, I can think of a couple of applications where valves will ALWAYS rule unless a new device is invented. 1: RF Transmitters. When I worked at a transmitter station in the mid 1980s a SINGLE grounded grid triode valve took 25kW of RF in the HF Band and shoved it up the aerial. Want more power? Just make the valve physically bigger, the LF Band Transmitters went up to 100kW. 2: Magnetrons /reflex klystrons. High power / low power cavity oscillators used in microwave ovens (magnetron), radar and satellite communication systems.
@gulpirak
@gulpirak Жыл бұрын
Speaking as a bass player, I'm all in on solid state. After years of dreaming of an all tube MESA 400+, I finally got to try one - and was deeply underwhelmed and immediately went back to my Sansamp, Darkglass, and Peavey preamps.
@KlockoFett
@KlockoFett Жыл бұрын
I felt the same when I tried the 400+. I've come to realize I just don't like tube amps. A few that had a tube preamp with Solid state power were alright, but I've yet to find something that makes me want to move away from my GK. I haven't personally tried any of the Darkglass stuff, but I've heard it, and I've gotta admit it sounds stellar. Deepest I'd probably go is an Alpha/Omega pedal. The heads seem really nice, but not for me and where I'm currently at. Wish they were around 20 years ago when I was still raging hard instead of hardly raging.
@lorez6063
@lorez6063 2 жыл бұрын
Man, your videos are just getting better and better. I love learning, and you are providing exceptional content. Thank you very much for bringing this knowledge to us.
@imbra
@imbra 2 жыл бұрын
Man, this infomercial was phenomenal! You really went to town on research for this. I especially love the added datasheets, a nice extra touch. Congrats!
@TheRosswise
@TheRosswise 2 жыл бұрын
I'm still jamming on my Peavey Transtube amps. It is amazing how close Peavey got 25 years ago.
@ProCoRat
@ProCoRat Жыл бұрын
Peavey XXL?
@TheRosswise
@TheRosswise Жыл бұрын
@@ProCoRat That and the Bandit
@mikewithers299
@mikewithers299 Жыл бұрын
​@@TheRosswiselove both my Bandits, old and TT
@oncameramastery
@oncameramastery 2 жыл бұрын
Quite literally the 'science of loud' this week!!! 😊
@martinemesguitar
@martinemesguitar 2 жыл бұрын
I reached out through the void to hear a long dead metal band last night, it was a "seance of loud."
@DELTAdarke
@DELTAdarke Жыл бұрын
Dude I've been watching your channel for like a decade now. You've come so far and I'm constantly impressed. Incredible video, mate.
@richardappleby9519
@richardappleby9519 2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. I really liked the periodic table stuff. Doping now makes sense! Keep Up the good work Colin. Congrats for winning the Guitar build off. Ruch
@TealScarab
@TealScarab 2 жыл бұрын
Bought a Peavey Bandit 112 for myself solely because it is a solid state amp, I’m not one to deal with the dangers and cost of a tube amp.
@stimpsonjcat26
@stimpsonjcat26 2 жыл бұрын
I got a great deal on one so I bought it not knowing if it was a good amp or not. IMO it turned out to be an amazing amp for the price.
@jcdelas
@jcdelas 2 жыл бұрын
The engineer in me it's drooling with videos like this. I have had design a couple of amplifiers using LM1875 and TDA2040, that are similiar to the TDA7294. The real money here is in the preamp where the Orange sound come from. There are lot of similarities in the power section with the pedal baby 100. I guess is still using toroidal transformers as I didn't saw the switching mosfet and diode of the smps power supplies. In any case, there is no difference between this video and the first week of class in my engineering degree, so very very good video.
@jayseb
@jayseb 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video - and great science to back it up. I've been using crush 60 for the past few weeks, and I'm really impressed and satisfied with the tones I'm getting from it - playing around that crunch channel can really get you any tone you're looking for. I had to make some changes/arrangements with my pedals, tweak a few things here and there, but this little amp is just great. Clean tones can easily be dialed in for some bluesy songs, up to the crunch channel for some heavier riffs. Honesty, back a few years I used to be kind of a cork sniffer with amps, and now after using this little Orange amp, the +'s of it far beyond beat the -'s involved with valve amps... Cost, weight, maintenance... I think you're right and ultimately, nostalgia really plays a role. And what I have found with time is that reactions from cabs really makes the biggest difference. If I really want to change my "tone", a cab is the easiest change. Cheers and keep up the good work!
@nylertickel2
@nylertickel2 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating video! LOVED how nitty gritty and scientific you got with it all
@prook2001
@prook2001 2 жыл бұрын
Love your science videos. Great knowledge. I particularly liked the irony in this one explaining why ‘modern’ designed amps are ‘better’ (or at least designed to work sound good within the design constraints unlike valve amps) while running a 60’s reel to reel tape deck in the background when playing.
@ScienceofLoud
@ScienceofLoud 2 жыл бұрын
Old technology is cool. The reel to reel is a lot of fun, but it's certainly not as convenient as any modern digital recording method.
@vincentl.9469
@vincentl.9469 2 жыл бұрын
@@ScienceofLoud why have tubes made a comeback in Audio/Hi Fi amplifiers? is it just an indulgence?
@godzilla964
@godzilla964 Жыл бұрын
@@vincentl.9469 I guess so. My dad sells these tube powered Bluetooth receivers.
@mikewithers299
@mikewithers299 Жыл бұрын
​@@vincentl.9469I know that true "audiophiles " love their old tube amps. Think McIntosh brand and the like
@Ben-yy7io
@Ben-yy7io 2 жыл бұрын
One thing to keep in mind, is that even when valve amplifiers are played cleanly without clipping, they introduce a signifigant amount of harmonic distortion in each preamp stage, meaning that even with a flat eq the valve amp will have more second and third harmonic content throughout.
@ryangunwitch-black
@ryangunwitch-black 2 жыл бұрын
That's why we like em.
@Lieutenant_Dude
@Lieutenant_Dude 11 ай бұрын
If you didn't know Catalinbread did exactly what you were talking about. They make a series of pedals that are recreating the circuits of famous amplifier preamps using JFETs in place of the preamp tubes. The Dirty Little Secret is their 1959 plexi pedal, the SFT is their version of the Ampeg SVT, and the Galileo is a simplification of the AC30 with a top boost in front.
@Gordonhermederme
@Gordonhermederme Жыл бұрын
It's insane how fast musicians can educate themselves with videos like this. Thanks again!!
@scottpeters4401
@scottpeters4401 2 жыл бұрын
Call it nostalgia,call it old skool,but the punch and liveliness of a tube amp and the way it relates to the speakers it’s connected to,just sounds better to me….it just does….I have a Boss TAE and a Fryette Power Station..The Boss SS power amp sounds very,very good..Does it sound better than the 50 watt tube power in the Fryette?..Hell no…not to me it doesn’t…I have tried many SS power amps,and not one sounds as good as a tube power amp….I get the advantages and convenience of SS designs,so they indeed have a place…as far as reliability,other than occasional tube changes,I haven’t run into any significant issues with tube amps….Just my opinion and take on it,but at the end of the day,use whatever amp sounds good and inspires you to play guitar,Tube or SS….
@rchlclr
@rchlclr 2 жыл бұрын
It's so amazing how far amplifier technology has come even in the last ten years.
@mickavoidant4780
@mickavoidant4780 2 жыл бұрын
Class Ds have become small enough to fit a 200w head into a gig bag pocket.
@pimcramer2569
@pimcramer2569 2 жыл бұрын
I have no clue what changed the past ten years
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 2 жыл бұрын
@@pimcramer2569 the Chinese have completely destroyed the component market with counterfeit parts. That's one thing that's happened.
@id3m589
@id3m589 2 жыл бұрын
@@1pcfred you mean 50% of manufacturers moving their production to China, like Vishay, Texas Electronics, SM, BT... Also huge manufacturing like Yaego fully made in China? Also, how would you "counterfeit" a transistor? Put different amount of boron into it?
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 2 жыл бұрын
@@id3m589 I do not know the technical details of precisely how one counterfeits a transistor. I have certainly seen examples of it though. With power transistors the die itself is substantially physically smaller. So they cannot handle nearly the power a genuine part can. Amplifier ICs which are integrated transistors are popularly counterfeited too. Those faux parts miss all of their specs compared to genuine ones. Today you can consider yourself lucky if you get reclaimed ewaste when you order something. Least then the part you're getting is genuine, even if it is garbage. I see the day coming where even those parts will be counterfeit though.
@PraetorianCuber
@PraetorianCuber 2 жыл бұрын
woooh, christmas came early, another csguitars video! high quality and informative as always sir
@Treadplate367
@Treadplate367 2 жыл бұрын
Man! That is the best, most thorough explanation I’ve ever seen of the difference between SS and tube amps! Thank you for making this. I think a cool “follow up” could be what other SS amps utilize this JFET/MOSFET design.
@jburdsinfuse
@jburdsinfuse 2 жыл бұрын
Love the video. We went silent stage and straight to PA a while ago...the only thing that matters is how it sounds out to front of house, and I can get great tones with pedals and Helix, Iridium, or whatever amp simulator. I still have a couple tube amps, but the only practical use for them would be for studio recording...which I will literally never do. Any live playing is SS and no one knows the difference (except the guitar players in the crowd).
@brendanm6921
@brendanm6921 2 жыл бұрын
I bet even the guitar players can't tell. Most guitar players will scream at the top of their lungs about how bad solid state amps are yet they don't realise that they are used to record so much of the music they listen to by so many great musicians.
@Ottophil
@Ottophil 2 жыл бұрын
this makes me sad. I wish everyone else had my ears
@FiveseveNp90
@FiveseveNp90 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ottophil Ever considered that it's not about the ears but the stuff between them? Big fan of blind tests, are ya?
@Noone-of-your-Business
@Noone-of-your-Business 2 жыл бұрын
Great job as always, Colin! I appreciate your honesty about not falling into the usual prejudices. A refreshing perspective from someone who - of course! - loves his valve amps! 😉
@3niknicholson
@3niknicholson Жыл бұрын
I stuck J201 fet preamps on each pickup of my strat and feed it into a diy mu-amp pedal, again with cheap and cheerful J201's and I think it sounds great.Louds of lovely second harmonic distortion when given welly.
@Terry3Gs
@Terry3Gs 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome job as always Collin !!! Thanks again for the awesome content !!
@keithm8650
@keithm8650 2 жыл бұрын
You my friend have filled a gap in my education in less than 2 mins when you described the N type and P type transistors. Thank you. Great information - great presentation.
@christoddheartogold
@christoddheartogold 2 жыл бұрын
Oh, and freakin awesome video! The geek in me seriously loves these kind of videos. I can't wait for your guitar electronics course. I hope it includes not just the electronics *in* the guitar, but also includes content like this, about amps and pedals and effects and such. Maybe even some deep geek speak about speakers?
@barbmelle3136
@barbmelle3136 Жыл бұрын
Nice touch, having a reel to reel tape deck running in the background while talking about traditional sound equipment.
@codecorrect1732
@codecorrect1732 Жыл бұрын
This is a really great clear way of describing solid state components. Thanks!
@K707OR30
@K707OR30 Жыл бұрын
Cool video, I’ve watched it a few times now and really appreciate the easy-to-digest comparison between tubes and jfets. Love my tube amps but I love this amp just as much. Especially for the price. Also nice having the smaller dimensions and less weight.
@georgetheodor112
@georgetheodor112 2 жыл бұрын
Finally my prayers have been heard! A hell of thank you from a happy owner of 2 channel JFET preamp for all the info!
@ciddax754
@ciddax754 2 жыл бұрын
I was tought a LOT about transistors. In school in physics and later computer science. Then later at university, studying computer science and taking some classes in electronics. This was one of the best lessons about that stuff. You did, very, very well! It is a rare and precious talent to make complicated things easily understandable!
@mal2ksc
@mal2ksc 2 жыл бұрын
In computer science, you're not so concerned about the analog behavior of transistors. In fact, you're generally designing to avoid its impact. I wouldn't be surprised if analog behavior was handwaved away as irrelevant in properly functioning digital equipment, so you never really got a feel for it there.
@robertclarkguitar
@robertclarkguitar 2 жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic video. Well done!!!!
@TheFonkzilla
@TheFonkzilla 2 жыл бұрын
That was actually a real interesting well thought out video! CheerZ 👍
@kennyharke366
@kennyharke366 Жыл бұрын
I bought this amp and couldn't believe how much it sounds like a tube amp. Cool video, learned something.
@felinekaiju4517
@felinekaiju4517 2 жыл бұрын
I almost ended up getting the orange Crush Pro 120, but all the goodies with the Peavey Invective had me sold. I'm also considering getting the Fuzzlord Fet120 pedal, which can be used as a clean boost, or a classic Fet driven fuzz from the 70's, also can be used as a pre amp pedal.
@GTRxMan
@GTRxMan 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation of how silicone based semiconductors operate and very enlightening as to the understanding of why germanium is used in certain cases. Have to take issue with the statement about our conditioning to the sound of tube based power amps clipping. While we initially stumbled on it because the amps didn't have enough power, it's undeniable that power amp clipping is the basis of a big guitar sound.
@MGCaverly
@MGCaverly Жыл бұрын
Well done for producing a video of extreme quality.
@johnbeasley9220
@johnbeasley9220 2 жыл бұрын
This video is why I love your content, I love the way you explain the science of guitar.
@lvachon
@lvachon 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great review of semiconductor technology, better than some of my EE courses back in the day.
@timothymallon
@timothymallon 2 жыл бұрын
As a lifelong lover of tube amps, having owned several Fenders and a Vox AC30, I recently bought an Orange Crush CR60C combo and I cant believe how good it sounds. In fact, I haven't turned on my current Fender tube amp since I bought the Orange!
@Aditya_Paliwal_9
@Aditya_Paliwal_9 2 жыл бұрын
That means a lot sir! : )
@pclindholm
@pclindholm 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, this was awesome. Thank you for a science/guitar amplification lesson.
@pyroguitars1296
@pyroguitars1296 Жыл бұрын
Hey Colin. Great video. Much of that is now in the Higher Physics curriculum. Luckily for you, I have just retired and so won't pester you to visit my school. Keep up the good work.
@thecaveofthedead
@thecaveofthedead 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating vid. I'm one of those people with an 18W Marshall clone with a tube rectifier. Where it has a mosfet is for power scaling so I can get that power section to drive at manageable volumes. And there's the thing: it's not just nostalgia. That sound has blown people's minds for the _first_ time they hear it since the Bluesbreaker record in 1965. Now not everyone wants that sound, that's completely fair. But those Chicago blues guys in the late '50s had the means to record their tweed Fenders clean (doing what an amplifier was meant to do) and chose to record them pushed too far and... distorting. Failing, as you call it. _They_ decided it sounded awesome when hearing it for the first time. They wanted their amps to sound on record how they did in clubs. For me, wanting the sound of a Princeton, Bluesbreaker, or Super Reverb cranked up the wazoo, a solid state _guitar_ amplifier makes no sense. Where tech can help me is to send carefully digitally modelled version straight into a hi-fidelity power amplifier (the PA) and dispense with the weird phenomenon of the guitar player alone having separate amplifier on stage when everyone else has given the job over to the biggest, cleanest amp in the room.
@azrael87d
@azrael87d Жыл бұрын
Great explanation! And great video, as always! :D (the amp is now in my wishlist)
@fraxz88
@fraxz88 2 жыл бұрын
Such a great explanation of all of it. Thank you!
@Blarog53
@Blarog53 2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding presentation! Thank you!
@lvcifer-616
@lvcifer-616 2 жыл бұрын
Blimey what a great video! You explained in 5 minutes what my Professor failed to convey comprehensively in 30. Very well done
@chadhuard818
@chadhuard818 2 жыл бұрын
A clear and succinct summary of my entire solid state 101 course at school, just without the math ;-). Who would have thought that it takes a long-haired, metal-head scot to make these concepts approachable, much moreso than the stodgy professors at school. Keep rocking sir!!
@MapleAudio
@MapleAudio Жыл бұрын
Very nice explanation which also pleases someone that understands the technical side of things. Thank you. I think what people often overlook when it comes to comparisons between valve/tube-, solid-state- and digital-amps is that we basically figured out a long time ago how to make them sound alike. The challenge comes only from the nonlinearity and often unsymmetrical behaviour of valves/tubes which is what we want to mimick. When it comes to solid-state amps you have to figure out how to incorporate und arrange diodes to achieve the sounds that you want. In digtial realms we were limited by our processing power in the past but achieved astonishing results nonetheless. With today's tools it is even easier to "build" a good sounding digital amp. The "inferior" standing of solid-state and digital amps probably comes from truly bad experiences due to poorly designed circuits and software. Fortunately a lot of people are looking behind the curtain of marketing and tube-nostalgia and discover that these "other" amps are honestly amazing. People simply have to accept that every tool serves its purpose and it comes down to personal taste, convenience, budget and many more factors which one you choose. The only thing that you have to remind yourself is: They all CAN sound good.
@ditmarvanbelle1061
@ditmarvanbelle1061 2 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful explanation this was. Thank you!
@coreyrramsay8858
@coreyrramsay8858 2 жыл бұрын
Top video mate. I picked up the super crush combo and it's just an amazing sounding amp hands down. Good to know some science behind why.
@DANCEDWAT
@DANCEDWAT Жыл бұрын
I liked the Voltage Sag innuendo. Not being familiar with digital electronics, I found this quite easy to understand. Cheers, mate.
@Gorbyrev
@Gorbyrev Жыл бұрын
Cool video. Ty Tabor sounds glorious through his Super Crush as he did through his Labtech L5 back in the day. Dimebag, B.B.King and many others have got great tones out of solid state amps.
@TheMiguellopez75
@TheMiguellopez75 11 ай бұрын
Hello Colin, thank you for this excellent video! During the 90s as a beginner in electric guitar I use some solid state amps, but they didn't sounded very good; at that time I didn't even had the oportunity to use tube amps, they were very uncommon were I lived. The closest was a Valvestate, that was much better than solid state amps, specially for overdriven and distorted sounds. I used my 8080 extensively, I still have it as a practice amp. But at one point, in the early 2000s, I couldnt get the sound that I wanted from that amp, and I finally had the opportunity to play an all tube amp and it was really awesome, a real turning point. Since then I never found a solid state amp that could match the sound of an all tube amp for what I play: from classic 50s rock and roll to early 90s hard rock and a little metal. Today were I live, solid state guitar amps are mainly for begineers and still dont sound very well, specially when playing on their own, without a band. And they really suck when you put an overdrive or distortion pedal in front of. I'm glad that evolution of the solid state amps make them now equal to an all tube amp, but I havent found one that pleases me as much as an all tube amp (I havent played the SC100 in person). I really don't see the end of tube amps for electric guitar playing anytime soon.
@inthestudy
@inthestudy 11 ай бұрын
Honest truth? It's less because tube amps have an inherently magical sound; and almost entirely because most transistor guitar amps since 1990 are built to be budget devices. There just aren't a lot of high end transistor amps. newer than the early 1980's. Case in point the valvestate amps. The Super Crush 100 is mostly an exception here - but even it cheaps out by using things like a digital reverb module instead of say - a real spring reverb. Most of the rest today are digital modelling, which have their own compromises. I'd honestly love to see a no-compromises pro-class analogue solid state amp like a 1:1 jfet+mosfet Fender with real reverb, or maybe a Plexi built the same way. But no op-amps, no digital, no shortcuts.
@czdot
@czdot 2 жыл бұрын
I wish some had explained things like this to me when I studied this in a trade school. I could've actually been interested in the field. Great video!
@pirhala
@pirhala 2 жыл бұрын
Well, here’s one dude that needs to work for orange amplification. Far better spoken than the creator of the amp itself and a convincing salesman at that! Bravo!!! Great explanation of the inner workings of the amp!
@ccandrew111
@ccandrew111 2 жыл бұрын
i love valve amps and would never get rid of mine, but i'm absolutely blown away by the quality of Neural DSP plugins lately, been using them a tonne
@kevon217
@kevon217 2 жыл бұрын
Loving the physical explanation!
@rnfr
@rnfr 2 жыл бұрын
It’s about time we got some JFET based amps! The pedal realm has been on it for years. “Amps in a Box” circuits have been going for years in this direction but the big production manufacturers probably didn’t want to touch them due to the inconsistencies in their manufacturing. Glad to see this is changing. It’s going to change the amp world right in time for the tube shortage.
@jazznotes3802
@jazznotes3802 Жыл бұрын
Randall has been doing awesome JFET’s solid state amplifiers for years.
@dreamscuba
@dreamscuba Жыл бұрын
Great video and very interesting. Thanks.
@10100rsn
@10100rsn 8 ай бұрын
There is also another reason why you want that tube-saturation effect. The saturation allows you to have a fast acting soft-limiter _in every gain stage_ . It lets you boost the strings/frequencies that are at lower amplitude while lowering the amplitude of the louder strings/frequencies, like a fast soft-limiter or super fast compression effect. It causes massive distortion compared to the input signal but it is all even harmonic distortion that rolls off fairly quick. Solid state designs, whether they be JFET or Op-amp based, will hard clip when overdriven and create a square-wave on the output with lots of odd _and_ even harmonic distortion that will start to sound like static. You'll never get that Klon Centaur to sound right on a solid-state amp unless you can design a preamp to emulate that tube-saturation effect... someone has... but I won't say who. >;}~
@XiaNingTian
@XiaNingTian 2 жыл бұрын
I like both solid state and vavles for the same reasons you stated. I was originally going to get a solid state amp, but I came across this one valve amp that I fell in love with so I bought that instead.
@acdclexu6296
@acdclexu6296 2 жыл бұрын
such a great video and really good explanation of all
@Msujfears
@Msujfears 2 жыл бұрын
I love this channel!! So good!
@p.s8950
@p.s8950 Жыл бұрын
Thanks So Much for this great info, put in an understandable way. Though i had to watch a few times to absorb it. Thanks 👍
@ChaosPootato
@ChaosPootato 2 жыл бұрын
Really, REALLY interesting stuff. Cheers!
@MattstaGraham
@MattstaGraham 2 жыл бұрын
I just did a shootout between my AD30 and the super crush 100 I just got and I’m floored. The AD30 is being sold on Thursday and I have a back up super crush coming. 🤘
@TheAxe4Ever
@TheAxe4Ever 2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite guitarists and his older tone was from a transistor amp. The tone Ty Tabor coaxed out of his Lab Series L5 solid state amps on the albums Out Of The Silent Planet and Gretchen Goes To Nebraska was SO damn good!
@mercedes260d4
@mercedes260d4 2 жыл бұрын
BB King bought a Lab Series in the 70s and never ever looked back.
@keithzibrat5721
@keithzibrat5721 2 жыл бұрын
Love the vids! Good learning and fun to watch, there a tons of musicians solely sold on valve amplification. My head is a sponge! Keep teaching friend. Your Pal in Louisiana😝🤘
@victorgomez4057
@victorgomez4057 7 ай бұрын
Amazing explanation all i need to know and super easy to understand
@matthewdcarver
@matthewdcarver 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, well done! I ran into an issue with solid state on my bumblebuzz, the lack of volume control on the pedal made it extremely loud on a solid state amp. I don't remember what the guitar shop guy said was the reason but I know to play in on valve.
@the1khronohs40
@the1khronohs40 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff, man! 👍
@ett1m
@ett1m 2 жыл бұрын
Very well explained!
@x-STORMXX-x
@x-STORMXX-x 2 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@mikewayne9110
@mikewayne9110 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely BRILLIANT Science education! Goodly done!
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