For All Mankind - First to Mars?

[@ThirdStreetBangi]

Ed may not be the first man to set foot on Mars, but he prevented the first death casualties on Mars. He was almost the first man on the Moon, but didn't because he followed Nasa orders to orbit the Moon only. This time he was almost the first man on Mars, but didn't because of Helios Popeye equipment failure & had to rely on his instinct instead. Damn.

[@annoyed707]

He did co-discover water ice on the moon.

[@jeeshadow1]

@@annoyed707 And landed and inhabited the first moon base for a long time. He flew the first nuclear shuttle. He has quite a few achievements tbh

[@WellBattle6]

Reading this after watching the finale, lol.

[@therealtimmyiy]

*laughs in episode 9*

[@superkartoffel7479]

Not to mention that he is one of the guys resposible for the changes and rapid technological progress in this timeline. If he had decided to land Apollo 10 on the moon the FAM timeline would probably look more like ours.

[@ReadmanJ]

I remember being so inspired when the NASA Astronaut and the Soviet Cosmonaut embraced each other in peace after setting foot on Mars. So inspiring!

[@Usman-ph5jk]

news reporter: How inspiring danielle and the cosmonaut: *intense fighting sounds*

[@dragoninthewest1]

@@Usman-ph5jkI was hoping she was going to go full Rochelle from Everybody Hates Chris on him and slap him so hard he ends up in Earth orbit

[@thomas.parnell7365]

Shh they fell over in elation of what was just achieved

[@anomalocaristheabnormalshr3248]

i know right? hard to believe it was 40 years ago now!

[@mahen77]

😂

[@SpottedHares]

So we saw that they were getting close to the ground, but they terrain was very uneven and he has no reference at all. He saw that the co pilot did not see what he did and aborted before his co pilot could risk everyone’s lives on guessing where the ground was. Ed made the same decision he made 25 years ago, safety of the crew over glory.

[@JustAGenericGamer]

I get it, he did the right thing, I just really wanted Ed to have the glory of being the first to step on Mars after Apollo 10. I hope the show does something with Ed to let him have some sort of glory.

[@superkartoffel7479]

@@JustAGenericGamer I don't know how old Ed is or how old he will be by season 4. If the show continues it's progress he might be part of manned mission to the Asteroid belt or Jupiter. Then he might have the chance to become the first man on Ceres, Ganymede, Europa or some other moon...

[@Feanor026]

@@superkartoffel7479 Ed will likely died before the end of the season tho', he might be the first to die on Mars...

[@superkartoffel7479]

@@Feanor026 That's possible, too.

[@n1c2c8]

@@superkartoffel7479 He’s 62 in 1994. Highly unlikely he’ll get another shot if there’s another 10 year leap.

[@muhammadarifbillah984]

Oh man, Ed didn't deserve this. This is supposed to be his legacy after the aborted moon landing, now he'll always be remembered as the guy that almost made it and failed.

[@zanbrocal]

I feel bad for HIM . HE deserved to be first. But his boss didn't, so it's poetic justice for Dev. You are right about what his legacy will be. But it's grossly unfair in my opinion. The first time he was under ORDERS and he simply followed his mission. If anyone lacked courage, it was the flight directors. The second time, he made a judgement call as a captain. Only him could evaluate the risk; and no one's life is worth a stupid race! Besides, it's not like he missed Mars. In 2 hours, he will be there too! But again, you are right. The public who wasn't there both times, and the media who just want circulation and ratings will crucify him till the day he dies. ( Unfortunately I don't think him and SOB Danny are long for this world. That time bomb will blow in the end!) I'm also wondering how Margo's reckoning will play. Will she get a pardon from the president after winning the race?

[@StoutProper]

Twice. But at least he won’t be remembered as the guy who caused a fatal and expensive disaster

[@seanharrison6719]

I can imagine Danny and Ed both feeling like they let family down and that is one of the most painful feelings to recover from.

[@fyivid]

Well he did the right thing in the end. Again. Just as he did when he rejected an order to shoot down the soviet space shuttle, as well as responding to the soviet distress signal. He would have deserved to be the first on Mars, but that wouldn't have made him a greater astronaut. In this reality he is still the undisputed number one.

[@ralse22]

Yeah ed was a giga chad, one half of me was secretly rooting for him

[@aaronescobar2057]

Cosmonaut and Astronaut fighting to be first in Mars and then tripping was the best moment for me

[@thomasbouvier3203]

"Tripping" XD but yeah that was epic ending... All journalist saying how legendary it is going hand by hand... While in fact, US cant let russia get first even with NASA ship... And russia have to be first no matter what... So they are almost fighting XD

[@adebayu4564]

its all fun and games untill they tripping and crack their helmet

[@CooperE.]

This comment has aged well

[@TechWinnerCC]

This five minute sequence is a perfect example of what makes this show so great. The characters, music, SFX, tension, emotion, EVERYTHING. More people need to be watching this show. Incredible.

[@1marcelfilms]

Sure 5 epic minutes for every 5 episodes of boring woke crap

[@thepuncakian2024]

The space and politics stuff is great, but for the most part the interpersonal relationship stuff sucks. Like for real, why does it seem everyone in this show is having an affair? Like two characters who just met can look at each other in a vaguely flirtatious way, and then they go right to kissing and/or fucking. No build up, just straight into it. Like this is not the way normal people behave.

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

In a twist of fate. The United States and Russia together stepped foot on Mars united. That in a way is truly historic.

[@benrussell-gough1201]

The Russian 'observers' in the MCC weren't happy about that, you can tell.

[@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent]

@@benrussell-gough1201 Well yeah. Your multi-billion dollar spaceship broke down and had to get picked up by the American's of course your not going to be happy but having both your people and your rivals people stepping foot on the same world at the same time is a fantastic compromise. Its great PR it makes up for the muti-billion dollar loss and it still gets to shove dirt into the corporate capitalist that was trying to get there first. Which both the US and Russia were not thrilled about and so having the US rub it into the corporate capitalist face too with the Russian is icing on the cake.. Yeah they might have been disappointed but it still is a fantastic success for both nations and paves the path for continued peaceful exploration of the system with both nations together with the occasional one upping the other. The Russians landed on the moon and stepped there first. The US landed on Mars first but both in this case got to share the first step on a true new world. Which is really symbolic when you consider the fact that Mars as in our own timeline will likely be considered as a suitable new home for human colonist in the future.

[@ПётрЕршов-и3ж]

@@benrussell-gough1201 oh come on. It was expected. Fucking prestige of the country and all that. And in the end it turned out to be a very funny scene that went down in history. It was worth it.

[@Davoodoox1]

Impossible to co-operate with russkies.

[@Strider_141]

yup, they step foot together on Mars and also start fighting on Mars while the world watch....

[@robloxfanboy86]

Probably one of the greatest scenes in TV history. The flashbacks to Ed's biggest regret of not landing on apollo 10 as he aborts for a second time is absolutely incredible. Ed's whole life was about being first, pushing the envelope, and as he approaches his second opportunity to be first - to reclaim what he lost on Apollo 10 - he remembers being there with Gordo, looks at Danny, and realizes what being without Gordo has done to both of them. He doesn't want that for his daughter, nor can he handle risking Danny after losing Shane. Really, really well done on the screenwriters and editors. The callback to the Apollo 24 rescue in the soundtrack was also incredible, hats off to Jeff Russo.

[@swiftusmaximus5651]

LMAO, you got to be kidding me. They got women and boom shaka lakas running things. LMAO

[@carolederent7638]

Swiftus maximus What are you talking about m8

[@biggibbs4678]

Old white male vs black female. We all knew they're gonna have the black female win.

[@liammeech3702]

IRL, the deliberately under-fueled the Apollo 10 lander, so they would not land.

[@littleponygirl666]

It's stupid writing. Astronauts aren't in position to ignore mission plans. First off, it's the whole idea of the chain of command and secondly, they are supplied according to their mission plan which means they wouldn't have the food or the fuel to land even if they wanted.

[@benrussell-gough1201]

In the end, I think that the story of this series is that progress is hobbled if countries and private organisations try to go it alone. It's only together that humankind can make history.

[@HarrisonAdAstra]

Not necessarily. In our reality it’s usually one or the other that is truly successful. Up until the 2000’s it was the government. Now it’s private with spaceX launching more people and mass than multiple governments combined. The real problem is that democrats are iffy around space, where as republicans support it, but they also slow it down. Neither party actually cares about space so there was room for a private entity to take hold. And NASA realises this.

[@Eshanas]

The us could had done this alone. The Soviets could had. Helios rushed them. One big power can do great things still. The ISS might feel neat but earnestly is unneeded..

[@benrussell-gough1201]

@@Eshanas I think that you misread my post. I wasn't saying that I personally thought that this was true or false, only that this appears to be the message the writers are trying to communicate.

[@seanholm8957]

Which is why spacex is completely different than all other private space companies, they wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for nasa, and they are working together with. Them, not competing with them

[@alex21390]

There has to be a right balance between competition and cooperation. Pure cooperation is where you get to where we are now. ISS but basically stagnation. Pure competition is this show. The need to one up each other drives technology forward. But also causes mistakes like the Russian ship. There has to be a balance somewhere

[@padawanmage71]

The moment Ed saw the horizon and then looked at Danny in surprise (who was supposed to say something first), he knew this was a bad setup and had to abort, especially as it looked like their pod was that close to pancaking on Mars when he finally did. Danny wanted it to go bad, even if it took him with it.

[@GottaGoBoom]

Man i knew from the moment they were making danny a cheater and a psycho that ed wasnt going to be the first , but goddamit he deserved

[@alexanderwinn9407]

I don't think Danny wanted to fail, he just wasn't paying attention. He was being reckless, not actively suicidal.

[@keithallver2450]

3:24 They give you the impression that they were about two seconds from smashing into the ground at high speed. So I guess Ed did the right thing.

[@JamesTobiasStewart]

Given that he sees what sure looked like a mountain they'd just narrowly (and by sheer good luck), avoided at around 3:00 (something his copilot didn't seem to notice at all), he knew they were in real danger, which as you say, the subsequent shot shows. He wasn't being overly cautious, if they wanted to land, they needed to start breaking a while ago. By the time the copilot started arguing he could land it, any hope of them doing so on this attempt was as dead as they'd have been if they'd pressed on even a few seconds longer.

[@Coreguy-w]

I more inferred it as them just barely missing the opportunity (not a pun) and aborting right before they had set down, but I guess the high speeds kind of prove my theory wrong.

[@conagherdmc]

I was genuinely surprised when the people I watched this with got incredibly angry at Ed for aborting the landing. I really feel like the entire purpose of this scene was to illustrate his growth, which to be honest, is very much needed after last season. I will say though, using the score for this scene as a callback to the solar storm was genius. Unfortunately, the biggest low point of this season was the needless drama with Gordo’s sons. Still excited for season 4 though!

[@SlightlySaturated]

I agree that this scene NEEDS to happen both for Ed Baldwin and Danielle Poole. Ed being known to always risking it and pushing the limit actually growing not to become too reckless. On the other hand, Poole is known to be a very by the book astronaut and her even agreeing to land Sojourner at the not best by the book condition is also a testament to her growth as an astronaut.

[@MatthewPotts]

Ed made the right choice

[@zanbrocal]

He did. But ignorant people will always blame him. He will still be the first civilian on Mars.

[@Fedaykin24]

@@zanbrocal Indeed, but the real question is who really got to Mars first... Oh that North Korean "unmanned" probe that went to Mars does give me pause ;-)

[@Feanor026]

@@Fedaykin24 I have framed it and it seems Danielle is first ^^ I really hope Kelly would be the first to honor her father.

[@jimmy2k4o]

@@Fedaykin24 well shit. You called it.

[@fyivid]

@@Fedaykin24 Hahah wtf. You’re eaaarly

[@Salisbury2015]

I don't know what it is with Ron Moore, and ships falling like bricks through the skies. But I'm all here for it. This is amazing!

[@annalarina7371]

I feel really sorry for Ed. I mean it was literally a bad luck, because Sojourner had the same conditions while landing. The thing I am confused here is another. Landing was aborted because they were approaching the ground to fast. So basically when Ed pressed the button the thrust of the engine was simply rosen up so it can fly back to orbit. The question is why couldn't it be possible to just increase thrust of the engine right enough for it to slow down the ship instead of flying it all the way back to space. Also, Sojourner was actually more realistic in terms of shape, because in real life Mars landing air drag will be used to slow down the ship (SpaceX's Starship), as Sojourner did. And Popeye lander was not aerodynamic at all. As we see it used the engines for the landing all the way to the ground.

[@docb8324]

Exactly what I was thinking, why not just use that extra kick from the thrusters and slowly descend?

[@letsgetoutsidenow]

For a one stage system fuel is time, while he could cut into his abort fuel and slow his decent to a hover with such uneven ground and no consistent visual nor any altitude data he could be a meter above the ground he could be a kilometer depending on hills and sideways motion from decent, unsure how many seconds till abort is no longer an option but if you don't have confidence in landing safely and cut your safety line back to orbit a crash landing is highly probable. So while I agree he kinda deserved a first, his legacy is no one dies on his watch (at this point anyway)

[@trabaregocer]

Because if you have no reference point, you will either fly back to space if you accelerate too much, or you will pancake into the ground if you accelerate too little.

[@rdablock]

it's not about the engine it's about not having any altitude reading. that's reason enough for aborting

[@lorrydavs3361]

Agree with the last comment. If anything the dramatised/unrealistic part of this scene is that an abort wasn't immediately called once the altitude reading/visuals failed due to dust. That would almost.certainly be written into mission rules for a future manned flight to Mars.

[@carlosforcada900]

This scene alone makes me forget all of the wasted stories that we had to endure over the course of the first two seasons. Season 3, when they have actually focused on the alternate space race, is being awesome. The best in years. Loved the Battlestar Galactica easter egg with the exact same camera work from the Adama Maneuver over New Caprica

[@carlosforcada900]

@Lurking Carrier I don't think they'll go that way. But it really is unpredictable to know where they will be pushing the story onwards. They made a huge leap with all the manned mars missions in 1994 thing. It's a radically different -and better- world now

[@franckrichard8077]

Ed almost crashed at 3:00, this scene is soooo intense ! at this moment, he realizes he clearly has no idea how close he is to the ground and where he is going .....

[@joshuaashton1929]

They would have died or wrecked the lander, leaving everyone stranded.

[@matthewcaughey8898]

A good captain sometimes has to abandon a plan when it’s not going to work. Ed was a good captain here. He didn’t take a stupid risk, he had the good sense to give it up when he knew it was impossible to succeed. Taking a dumb risk solo is one thing but when other people are involved you loose the luxury to be risky. Ed made a good call

[@Clintondmb]

1:43 is a direct identical shot to the Adama Maneuver from season three of BSG.

[@JustAGenericGamer]

I never noticed until you pointed it out. CGI team might have referenced the Adama Maneuver?

[@Clintondmb]

Almost has to be. Check it out the framing and the pan of the shot following the descending spacecraft is nearly identical.

[@chheinrich8486]

What did you expect, this show is made by Ronald d moore the creator of the bsg reboot

[@sssembler]

lmao do you not know how shuttles come in to the atmosphere? this is nothing specifically related to BSG - this is how heat shielding is setup.

[@chheinrich8486]

@@sssembler its isnt specificly bsg but the camera shot is

[@TheBreezus]

I gotta say this is a fantastic series. I;ve really been having a lot of fun with this series.

[@LouSassol69er]

This shows so good. Unbelievable how underrated it is. I know some people dog on it for the abundance of drama but I think it's necessary to deliver on the big moments when the stakes are high to get that investment in the characters. Also it's about the head space of those making the decisions and how they operate so even more need for the drama.

[@chromosome24]

Tough but good call by Ed. Danny would've got them both killed.

[@ZAK31591]

I love how when they abort they keep the camera going so you can see how close they were to smacking into the ground. Ed is the hero you need.

[@lorrydavs3361]

The reprise of the 'landing' theme from Apollo 15 in S1 is epic.

[@liamthespaceman]

I guess Ed will always be one of the two first to enter another planets atmosphere, just not to land

[@DartmanX]

Except, you know, the moon has no atmosphere.

[@ArcXDZ]

@@DartmanX it does except that that it's barely existent. The moon's atmosphere is just on it's surface

[@halo007Mex]

@@DartmanX is more like an area where gases are trap by moon gravity.

[@AljayArceo]

@@halo007Mex which is called an atmosphere

[@garymcgaryson5039]

Technically the moon is not a planet but a satellite of Earth

[@nemovix4923]

One thing that bugs me about this landing is the fact that sjournier suffered heavy damage during the collision with the Russian ship, yet it’s exterior hull is completely intact and still durable enough to enter the Martian atmosphere (Columbia disaster!!)

[@johnpenley]

Plot armor. Hollywood's finest defense against reality.😒

[@joshuaashton1929]

It didn’t hit any of the re-entry tiles on the bottom. It only hit the top which isn’t critical to re-entry.

[@paritybit-q7e]

@@joshuaashton1929 It is. The bottom is painted black because it must radiate away the heat that it is forced to absorb due to kinetic collisions (realistically this would also be mediated by a blunt surface that would create a bow shock in front of the ship minimizing heat transfer from the plasma). The top is painted white because most of the heat it absorbs is from the surrounding plasma and hot gas that radiates it's heat into the tiles, thus the idea is that the tiles should reflect as much of that heat as possible, that is, they should be painted white. It would certainly be worse if the tiles on the bottom of the ship were damaged, but heat shielding on the top is important as well.

[@SlightlySaturated]

While the damaged hull was not extensive enough to damage critical hull components needed for landing, it was later revealed that their Engine 1 did suffer some damage and while they managed to land on Mars, they can no longer use the same aircraft to get back to orbit. Hence, they were essentially trapped on Mars waiting for Sojourner 2 or get a rick with Helios’ Phoenix.

[@edgeof60]

North Korea: Hold my soju...

[@funkervogt47]

Wouldn't the landing craft have radar that could penetrate the dust storm and display the contours of Mars' surface on the pilot's screen? Wouldn't the mission plans include backup landing sites that the pilots could choose if there was some last-minute problem preventing them from using the primary landing site?

[@luther0013]

They state earlier in the episode that the other landing sites were also obscured by the storm. Mars has dust storms that can cover most of the planet and last for months so the one in the show is small and short lived by comparison. The Altimeter which shows altitude uses radar and could not penetrate down to the ground which is why they lost readings from it. Remember that this is still the 90s in this timeline and also in our timeline the reason we have such advanced ground mapping radar is since NASA was retasked with focusing on Earth Orbit Science after Apollo which is the exact thing that is avoided in this timeline so those technologies will likely be behind.

[@DarkTheFailure]

The radar would have probably been blocked by the dust. The radar waves gets bounced off by the dust particles and give a inaccurate reading

[@minhducnguyen9276]

@@luther0013 Interasting note. Just because in their timeline most of their technologies are more advanced doesn't means all of them are more advanced than ours. They can afford manned landing unlike us where machines have to make the decisions and thus require better sensors and mapping algorithm compared to theirs.

[@Ronmanster]

Of course they should have had a millimeter wave RADALT that could have easily punched through the dust. But hey, that wouldn’t make it as exciting

[@Krusesensei]

Jeah, its BS. At least at lower altitudes the Radar should pass through the dust without problem.

[@Hugh-Jassoul]

And now we know none of these people were the first on Mars.

[@xyinterrupted]

Thanks for uploading so soon!

[@jgon9]

That question mark in the title is even more relevant once you’ve watch the season finale….

[@oliverstianhugaas7493]

Ed can still be the first man on the tallest mountain in the solar system!

[@zicrowave]

Olympus mons?

[@Rale117]

@@zicrowave Yes.

[@Rober93Airsoft]

The sojourner is a beautiful ship

[@zanbrocal]

It is; but I preferred the Helios way better. It looks kind of dangerous ( to ignorant me) to put "all your eggs in one basket" and land the WHOLE vehicle. At least Helios has the mother ship up there and ( I hope) other landers for rescue.

[@Fedaykin24]

As in my head cannon this is in the same continuity as The Expanse...Rocinante for me always Beltalowda!

[@ChefBubbaNips]

@@zanbrocal maybe now that the Mars race is finished, maybe NASA and Helios team up? To say, Jupiter? The Phoenix as main ship with a couple of Sojourners as landing ships?

[@Rober93Airsoft]

​@@zanbrocal I certainly think the same, in any case, the Sojourner is unprecedented as it is an SSTO vehicle, I have always thought that if one day we go to Mars, the most ideal thing would be a spaceship similar to the Phoenix.

[@bilaljamadar2052]

Where can I find the background music??

[@felipexp8836]

Pieces of it built on the Earth, Assembled on the Moon, Landed on Mars

[@Andreas-gh6is]

That went a lot better than I thought it would.

[@harryc1971]

Ed made the right call

[@HongyiMC]

This is for sure one of the hardest scene in For All Mankind.

[@Za7a7aZ]

Great historic moment for all mankind.. could have happened for real many years ago...or have we?

[@Andreas-gh6is]

Only at much higher cost, and the show's assumption that R&D on space travel pays for itself is highly optimistic at best. Also in real life, public opinion in democracies really really doesn't like putting plutonium on big rockets to use for power generators or NERVA engines.

[@DOSFS]

It's a matter of time before we landed on Mars, just when

[@Eshanas]

@@Andreas-gh6is sometimes you don’t have to tell the public.

[@QuantumAscension1]

@@Andreas-gh6is Only because people have been fed disinformation and fearmongering about nuclear energy for decades. We might actually be much closer to green, zero emission energy today if nuclear power plant development hadn't been stunted by a couple over-hyped, over-sensationalized incidents like Three Mile island. Instead now we have to cling to the hopes of solar and wind, which can only be built in certain areas to be effective, have a replacement cycle of 20 years, produce all sorts of pollutants to manufacture, and in the end will never get us to where we need to ditch fossil fuels.

[@Eshanas]

But yea FAM requires fusion tech and helium 3 on the moon. The former is not yet profitable and the latter is a sci-fi meme, there’s more he3 on earth that’s more accessible. We could do a moon base, a Venus flyby, a mate landing without those things; and I wish FAM did go that route to the more 60s-70s brute force plans than relying on leapfrogging tech….

[@SlightlySaturated]

This is a very high tension scene. A remarkable scene and acting for all actors, etc.

[@ReezeGoingSenseless]

The Celebration part gets me.Some day we will get there.We will.

[@CaptainM792]

4:21

[@ronin3381]

1:44 That’s totally the Adama Manoeuvre.

[@pandugeet]

Amazing show, loved every season

[@terrellcargo9412]

They cut the best part when she commanded "Execute!"

[@SlightlySaturated]

I agree! That one word and how Poole said it brought chills to my body.

[@terrellcargo9412]

​@@SlightlySaturated I dont get chills often but that scene was perfect. I was on the edge of my chair

[@fushiie]

In 4K we can see Earth in background ! Perfect detail !

[@bilaljamadar2052]

Background music name please??? Please.. someone help

[@Tarquinthetyrant]

I was going for nasa crew on earth, but in space I was going for Ed, he deserved to be first, especially since he was going to be first for nasa. But however the Helios team deserved to lose

[@magdanalepa6881]

Personally, I was cheering up helios, I Just like their space ship more than the others, and this Just makes me kinda sad. Not 1st place, nor even a landing. But he would propably crash so yeah...

[@champion_alex]

I prefer NASA and soviets over the parody/propaganda of Elon in the serie! But...Is just an opinion

[@magdanalepa6881]

@@champion_alex i understand, everyone has their on opinion about things

[@champion_alex]

@@magdanalepa6881 yes! But I agree they have a beautiful spacecraft!

[@magdanalepa6881]

@@champion_alex its literary a space hotel with nuclear engines, but it has a nice feel to it.

[@champion_alex]

@@magdanalepa6881 traveling to Mars in real life might need style, and technological advances to provide psychological comfort for such an undertaking!

[@DreadNought0255]

So Popeye is using GPS or whatever to gauge altitude? I'd imagine LIDAR would be a thing by then for them. And that stuff cuts through damn near everything that isn't full solid. If nothing else it would give a far better idea what is in the dust and penetrate deeper then just sight alone and give an earlier warning if something solid is coming up. Also, you know what would of been absolutely hillarious? If Sojourner landed, everyone got all hype and then a transmission "Hey, we were wondering when you'd get here?" Look out the window and some other fourth party beat them to it. Everyone being fixated on their public big name "contestants"; USA, USSR and Helios. That with all the drama around them, some smaller but equally as clever group got there first simply by staying under the radar. Everyone's launching satellites, it seems. So one or two of them go missing, would be big news. But the big players are having their thing so no one really pays attention if a few of them drop off out into the black. Doesn't really make sense or add up that no one would notice a fourth contestant making plays. But hey, funny to imagine.

[@quillmaurer6563]

That would be entertaining, I imagine them sitting near the landing site in space suits holding beer bottles (obviously unable to drink them because of the space suits, but it's the thought that counts). The problem with this idea is of funding. Getting to Mars is extremely expensive, so any entity doing so - private or government - has to have a lot of buy-in from the public to invest or be okay with the tax expenditure. Would be really hard to have that much money to spend without telling the public why you need said money. The only exception might be military projects, as militaries are able to spend massive amounts of money on secret projects - though I don't think getting to Mars would be a priority for such.

[@CollattaQuad]

Yeah I was thinking China and North Korea could have been first

[@dragonsword7370]

Your idea makes me think of a joint China-India operation, possibly paired with another private company.

[@Fedaykin24]

Oh I am pretty certain that is the rug pull that Ron Moore is going to pull in a later episode... Note the throw away mention of the "Unmanned" North Korean probe that was in the News report in the previous episode and the Soviet Space Agencies urgency to get use of NASA probes and Rovers on Mars to perform a task that they don't want to reveal to the Americans. My thought the North Koreans using old Soviet Soyuz/Salyut style technology sent a manned ship on a one way mission to get the drop on the major powers by Landing on Mars first then lost contact with their crew. The Russians got wind of what was actually happening and they want to destroy/hush up the evidence... That is my theory at least!

[@christopherrasmussen8718]

You think they have at least RADAR.

[@opaqueentity]

Thank you very much. I won't get to watch the episode until tonight or tomorrow but just had to know what happened.

[@scotsbillhicks]

You have to look back at the Antarctic expeditions for similar situations. We know the famous/infamous ones but there were others. Shackleton had an early trip in support of Scott which did map a way onto the Antarctic plateau and from there the way was open but instead, recognising the dire state of their supplies he turned back and in doing so saved his team.

[@tryomama]

ya sure this ain't the prequel for The Expanse?

[@christbenitez8797]

The first thing comes up in my mind. This was in the past 300 years.

[@HALLish-jl5mo]

That would be The Martian (there’s a few references to mark in the books)

[@Feanor026]

Can't make up my mind on my favorite show out of those 2

[@christbenitez8797]

This is the closest thing we got on the expanse prequel. Where humanity is fast enough to advance it's technology and it only took them 300 years to become a type 1 civilization.

[@christopherrasmussen8718]

Loved the series. I’m old enough to remember the space race. Von Braun had a Mars ship in his head and on paper ready to build and launch on an Saturn V. The Moon kept our late President’s word. A war was waging. Sad the rug got pulled out. I hope to see humans on Mars before I die

[@madeconomist458]

The story so far with Dev reminds me a lot of Michael Fassbender's line in "Steve Jobs" when Jobs gets forced out by Sculley: "Artists lead and hacks ask for a show of hands"

[@jimmy2k4o]

Ahhhh sorkin 👍

[@0zymanndias773]

Ed got the last laugh in the end. BRO STOLE A WHOLE ASTEROID.

[@sergeant_dornan_]

Anyone know the soundtrack during this scene? Insane vibes of Interstellar and Dunkirk. Was it Hans Zimmer as well?

[@doryembrandingmarketingven3923]

"landing" by jeff russo

[@sergeant_dornan_]

@@doryembrandingmarketingven3923 super. Thanks!

[@nathangriffiths2851]

@@sergeant_dornan_ This is a edited ver, i have been trying to find it with no luck

[@sergeant_dornan_]

@@nathangriffiths2851 thought so at first, but after couple of tries I think this is it. The second part of the track. You can't hear half of the sounds because of flight noise anyway.

[@peteryork6939]

I like those old fences which is and dashboard glowing nice and there's one switch switch to the manual which is located far away from the other on a separate panel and look like really starter to my lawn mower

[@zombiedude101z]

Ed made the right call. If not for this then it's likely Sojourner's crew would be stranded without any hope of rescue for years. Not to mention there wouldn't be a working Helios crew on the ground to facilitate hab + supplies.

[@tank.4496]

Lmao if only they knew that they were racing for second not first. So it doesn't matter that Ed aborted. What's really fucked up is his reason for it, just because he feared killing Danny. Pretty much the least deserving person to even be on the mission and who's actions later cause a few deaths and put other lives at risk. All of which will just add to Ed's list of bad decisions because he still took him even after being warned.

[@madsfrederiktoft5808]

Biggest question will Margo get caught or will she try to pin it on first Aleida?

[@xenoborg007]

Helios doesn't announce 2 years beforehand that they are going to mars.... NASA and the USSR don't have time to rush job their launches, no one dies, Helios gets there first years before the other 2. For a guy who absolutely had to get there first dev did the dumbest thing possible.

[@Rale117]

He probably did it so he could market the whole thing, sponsorships, deals and such. Funds for a space mission only come in if the public is interested.

[@joshuaashton1929]

I mean he probably didn’t think that the others would ever be able to catch up.

[@SlightlySaturated]

You need to know that these things don’t just happen. In a capitalist world, money will make things possible and the announcement for Mars landing is a VERY needed component to get funding from investors and to get public support. That’s why such announcement is made even before a ship capable of going to Mars is even built. Just look at SapceX. The Starship was just a concept when they announced their Mars Program to secure funding.

[@bennymutant]

Ed is obviously never going to get over missing out on Mars like he did the Moon. I honestly thought Danny was going to tell him he was the one who porked his wife when Ed hit abort....! Note - Ed & Danny aren't safely back on the Phoenix yet.

[@Brendissimo1]

But he won't miss out. They can attempt another landing in probably a very short time. This is literally just about who gets there first. Which is what makes all the bickering about it so eye rolling. The massive egos of everyone involved. I find the actions of the soviet commander particularly disgraceful. He owed Danielle and her crew his and his crews lives. Two NASA astronauts died saving their dumb reckless asses. Not a shred of dignity in that man.

[@mattep74]

Considering how hard the bigger ship came down ed did the right thing. His small craft would have smashed to pieces.

[@bhbh820]

Can you also post the landing scene and the funeral during the opening scene ?

[@tonyj9743]

If I'm Danny, that incompetent Russian who decided to steal my win is going to end up in a fatal "accident " before leaving Mars!

[@e.s.4017]

Unironically I think Danny's gonna do something like that. Have you seen his demeanor, he's like nearly fucking unhinged

[@robshnob123]

Don't know if it would wise though. Giving him the satisfaction as the first human to die on Mars 😂

[@PaddyMacWorld]

I was as officer in the fire service (uk). The hardest thing was sending someone into harms way! I was a fire fighter in the fire service. The easiest thing was going into harms way! With authority comes responsibility!

[@guyfrompoland1358]

I hope that world at least remembers Ed as first man to prevent death on Mars

[@raymondclark1785]

Was that a Honda emblem on the dash?

[@TommyBBQBessinger]

My favorite show!!!!!!

[@daustin8888]

Ed was done dirty by NASA I was rooting for him to be first

[@Meatloaf_TV]

When is the next episode coming out? Just caught up and dont know what the weekly schedule is

[@MrTater1999]

They come out every Friday

[@hobog]

1:32 hold on, doesn't it take at least 20 minutes for information to transmit between earth and mars?? Dude my immersion is broken

[@robshnob123]

It varies depending on the distance...And when it cuts to mission control the time has passed for the astronauts and mission control is just now hearing it...

[@joshuaashton1929]

I think they just treat the information they get as current because what else can they do?

[@moproodu]

@@danieljohn560 I demand entire half-episodes dedicated to the delay thank you very much/s

[@joaquinvillanueva2314]

If they were that close to the ground, and the abort was able to push them back to orbit, why didnt they use the abort to slow down and land?

[@prestonb.f.]

Ed’s character arc demands it.

[@thitran1362]

because they didn't know whether they are close to the ground or not? Or whether they will hit a mountain? Both Danny and Ed would be the first to die instead of first man on Mars if Ed did not abort.

[@theultimatekeko]

they didnt know how far it was down

[@DMSP]

They could have throttled up at any point but it doesn't matter because they didn't know where the ground was. All the abort did was bring the throttle to full and get them out ASAP

[@battlesheep2552]

At least they didn't resort to an unplanned lithobreaking maneuver

[@notyousef7887]

I remember you saved my droods on Luna 😅😂

[@jasonhsiu]

I like how everyone in the comments is like “Ed deserved better” or “I feel sorry for Ed” but it wouldn’t have mattered anyways because Danielle and the others weren’t first anyways so neither of them would have got credit for being the first people on Mars.

[@chasein7019]

Switching to manual. Hold on while I throw this tiny switch I got from my old Nintendo game box.

[@martianbuilder5945]

They missed an opportunity to use Gustav Holst's "Mars" in this scene. Makes me want to re-score it.

[@oliverthefinn5417]

Great video!

[@andrebarbosa224]

Man's greatest achievement, television.

[@TiggerLordTanner]

Anyone know the name of the song used in the scene?

[@doryembrandingmarketingven3923]

"landing" by jeff russo

[@wangson]

Man, that was tense!

[@Desk_Neck_]

yeah about that...

[@huewar3374]

hope they will make it longer, exploring other planets..

[@Andythespacekid]

This likely won’t happen but when we have the first mission to mars id love if the crew has an astronaut from each of the major space programs. NASA Roscosmos ESA CSA CNA and JAXA

[@Delta-V-Heavy]

Don't forget ISRO; they'll definately have a mature astronaut program by then.

[@jeeshadow1]

My favorite part is even the KGB minders being happy

[@filippo9617]

Soundtrack?

[@BedsitBob]

Would your really experience friction heating, given Mars' atmosphere is less than 1% of the density of earths?

[@purefatdude2]

yes

[@hubbsllc]

It’s not “friction” heating but rather from compression. But to your point, sure - come in hot, hit even a thin atmosphere and you’re going to have entry hearing.

[@joshuaashton1929]

Absolutely. This is what makes Mars so hard to land on. Not only do you have to deal with re-entry heating, but you also need a propulsive landing because the atmosphere is to thin for parachutes. The biggest mars inaccuracy in the show is the storms on mars. Since the atmosphere is like 1% the thickness of earths, winds can only top out at around 9 miles an hour.

[@hubbsllc]

@@joshuaashton1929 OK, that's not quite the case - Martian winds top out at about 60MPH per large.stanford.edu/courses/2017/ph240/black1/docs/mersmann.pdf but to our perception that's not a lot of wind.

[@paulkerrigan4051]

Love this show - but there's a massive plot hole here. NASA has to land in a specific spot, where their resources are located. But Helios' lander is reuseable and mobile - they can land anywhere they wish. Hop down to be 'first man' then hop back to Phoenix. Of course, it's all moot anyway because SPOILER ALERT DELETED.

[@miklajlpski486]

Does this track have a title?

[@bhbh820]

Most of it is "landing" by Jeff russo

[@miklajlpski486]

@@bhbh820 thanks

[@leedaniels1468]

Renamed "For All People Kind" in Canada

[@CaptainM792]

So great to see Humans putting aside their nationality and work together in achieving scientific goals. That’s the future for Humanity. We shall build our space defence fleet and space exploration cruisers for deep space assignments. We shall find evidence that will confirm the existence of alien civilizations, and if possible, official First Contact between their species and ours will be conducted.

[@brayden7574]

forming of starfleet

[@gimzod76]

Sure keep telling yourself that.

[@andradejaco7253]

The bith of " The US-USSR Space Cooperation Alliance.", or " Союз космического сотрудничества США и СССР.".

[@anteyfilatov850]

В лучшем мире товарищ, в лучшем мире...

[@DavidBale-vn4op]

No problem with time delay at mission control

[@luther0013]

They are not talking to to Earth based Mission Control they are talking to Phoenix the big vessel they came on that is in orbit.

[@strathruncie]

Okay, next silly question, why were either of these missions attempting to land during a dust storm? No amount of prestige is worth that degree of risk, surely?

[@knytrydr73]

TV drama.

[@pancytryna9378]

It is, it is

[@person.5516]

it was a tense moment as both sides wanted to be first and would have to wait 2 hours each time to land, in that time period they'd have lost so phoenix decided to go ahead with the landing and sojourner was prompted to go after them, popeye aborted due to the fact they didnt know their altitude, and sojourner landed first on mars, so pretty much reason is they wanted to be first and went ahead with the landings

[@SlightlySaturated]

Both sides know this is a high risk landing. The crew of Helios even pointed that out. But at the beginning Ed Baldwin is consumed by his guilt on not landing Apollo 10 and is so consumed by the possible glory he will gain if he becomes the first man on Mars. So they launched. This event then pushed Danielle Poole, someone who already made the decision not to land, to her limits and then went for it as well. While this is TV drama and the landing did create a very good scene for TV, the event was also propelled by the character history and development of both Ed Baldwin and Danielle Poole.

[@iamgermane]

Dust storms are common but you do not have to land in one! Most of the time it is crystal clear.

[@luther0013]

It’s a race to be first and one of the landing craft is operated by an American company, putting their employees in danger is nothing new.

[@natesturm448]

This show lets everyone know that space travel should be an event and accomplishment as a species. Not as a country.

[@FairyWeatherMan]

7 minutes of terror

[@curtishegner9245]

6 minutes of terror

[@FairyWeatherMan]

@@curtishegner9245 ok 😀

[@RealEmerald]

My favorite scene from season 3 without question. Ed wouldve been first on mars, but he only aborted out of fear he would kill Danny.

[@Migmat-tm6se]

cmon stop making me wanna watch for all mankind bruh

[@chievtainofficial]

Wait isn't the lander and the Sojourner on the same side? (yes i didnt watch the series so i dont know anything)

[@bdp7590]

The lander is from a private company, Sojourner is from NASA (government agency)

[@kiverix]

The Lander is an "MSAM" called popeye, in respect to shane Baldwin I think