For All Mankind - Happy Valley Solar Sail

[@AndreAFirenze]

One of the best tv show of the last ten years. Countdown to november 10 for the fourth season

[@damagestax]

I started my 3rd rewatch last night and its still an emotional rollercoaster like no other show ive ever seen.

[@whywar1986]

Indeed

[@jgon9]

Can't wait for the new season!

[@RollWithTheChanges]

Oh shit S4 is coming November 10th?

[@brucewatt1032]

I couldn’t agree more - great casting - perfect acting, exceptional art direction and spectacular directing, with amazing attention to detail in post production and special effects, makes this series the best ‘alternate reality’ show since The Man In The High Castle, in my humble opinion 👌

[@cheezysot]

I love how they transmitted "a pirates life for me" just to fuck with everyone else

[@koiyujo1543]

Ikr?! Lol it was awesome and so funny yet amazing flex on them

[@cheezysot]

@LocalChrysler2 two docking port supremacy

[@gojidoh]

I can't go on the ride at Disneyland without thinking about this scene

[@talesofgore9424]

The look on Ed's face when he figures out why pirate music is playing is priceless. "They didn't...Oh shit.. They did."

[@rear9259]

If your in space and you get a broadcast from another ship of pirate music.You're about to have a very bad day

[@totallylegityoutubeperson4170]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@arthurbriand2175]

Considering that two years ellapsed and Bill had no idea about the sail, that means they created that solar sail in 2 years, implemented it into Sojourner that was an already completed design, did the tests... All that in secret without anybody leaking. I know their space programs are eons ahead of ours, but the logistic seems Impossible. Great scene though.

[@ScienceMan314]

I'm surprised Margo didn't say anything.

[@mieteegg]

@@ScienceMan314too soon

[@DavidKnowles0]

See they don't muck around with decades of testing in this universe. They think of a solar sail and they stick on a mission to mars. Solar sail is a relatively simple technology.

[@Fedaykin24]

@@ScienceMan314 Whilst Margo was giving information to the Soviets she wanted the United States to win the race to Mars, to that end she had given the design for the NASA Fission engine to the Soviets but with incorrect performance specifications. The information given was enough for the Soviets to safely operate Mars-94 but be at a performance disadvantage to Sojourner 1 with its perfected engine and Solar sail. The information she had given was enough to keep her lover alive so there was no need to reveal the secret Solar Sail. She was effectively playing both sides with the aim of getting her lover out of the Soviet Union some how whilst also ensuring the United States won the Mars race. It was a dangerous game that she almost got away with if not for the suspicions of her prodigy. The failure of the Mars-94 engine gave her the leverage to get her lover out but the cruel irony is she was found out just as he was got out of the Soviet Union forcing her to be smuggled out to Russia during the chaos of the bomb attack. My gut feeling is they are going to play out the collapse of the Soviet Union albeit delayed a decade or so with Margo in the strange position of being a traitor, she still has a part to play albeit I am not sure how.

[@Kishanth.J]

It possible that Bill knew about the solar sails but they were still in early testing when he left. He did get suspicious when they started playing sailing songs.

[@DavidKnowles0]

The funniest thing is, the race was nearly already over, the North Koreans having beaten them all!

[@JamesTobiasStewart]

Yep, this whole awesome sequence showing the competitors setting off to a beautiful piece of music... And the real winner is already most of the way there by now.

[@tetraxis3011]

@@JamesTobiasStewartAnd worst of all, the winners ship is a glorified Soyuz capsule.

[@sandeeps4909]

USA 😅:We don’t talk about that here

[@DavidKnowles0]

Soviet Union- Technically they use our technology so we are chalking up this victory to us! @@sandeeps4909

[@scpguy1381]

Something I found funny is how they call their crashed Soyuz capsule a “base” which is the equivalent of me labeling my stranded KSP rocket a Space station to feel better about myself

[@NebulaAviation1]

when i saw sojourner deploy the solar sail in the show, i genuinely giggled. i love those things so much

[@Beatmyguest001]

Me too!! I proper cackled at my tv screen with all the pirate references and THEN the sail reveal. BRILLIANT tv!!

[@sixhundredandfive7123]

For everyone commenting on how they can't believe the designs for the solar sail were not leaked, remember that this timeline doesn't have much of an internet.

[@jimmy2k4o]

I think it does that’s how people communicate between mars and earth.

[@Asian19981]

yes they do have a internet in this timeline but it's only restricted for the government.

[@eanna3781]

​@@Asian19981and probably between universities like Arpanet

[@robotguy4]

But they have LCDs... Weird.

[@robotguy4]

Also, that's clearly an iPod at 6:14. Isn't this supposed to be '94? Does this mean Jobs returned to Apple sooner than in our timeline? The iPod came out in October 2001, a month after that event that everyone keeps reminding that J. guy about.

[@roadkillreborn3047]

I love how they have so many strong black actors taking up all the roles.

[@darrellhanning5068]

Ronald Moore is at his best when he's making science fiction come to life for the rest of us.

[@h.plovecraftn-4307]

Is not a science fiction anymore it's about ourself what happened near armstrong never landing on the moon, It was a soviet.

[@mollari2261]

He’s at his worst at the halfway point of the 3rd season of whatever show he’s working on.

[@fasillimerick7394]

The solar sails are really cool, and I hate myself for being a pedant, but I can't believe they could be developed and integrated without it leaking.

[@ShroomKeppie]

It's way too small an area, too. Square miles of sail would be required, and the mother ship has way too much mass.

[@davidlee1770]

The japanese managed to keep the bloody yamato secret, so I'd assume hiding a project of that size would be relatively simple. Of course, the fact that NASA is developing something big can't be hidden based on the activity of the R&D site, but it probably is possible to hide exactly what they are doing.

[@animo9050]

@@ShroomKeppie Yeah that stood out to me, the sail would need to be much bigger for a noticeable effect NASA in the story could have made this plan even better by using pushing lasers from the moon seeing as they are able to move large amounts of mass including the materials for a nuclear reactor, but if it works it works

[@cpte3729]

​@@animo9050 Pushing laser AND pellets of mass thrown out to be disintegrated by the laser would make it even faster

[@topphatt1312]

@@ShroomKeppiethe show kinda transition from *science* fiction to science *fiction* but it makes for a great show so I’m not complaining.

[@soupafi]

Black Hole Sun is a banger

[@touko_nanami]

as someone who has never heard of them it sounded really out of place

[@hikingworm1028]

@@touko_nanami how so? Not to say you're wrong, just personally I heard the song and immediately went out of my way to figure out who wrote it - I thought it was perfect.

[@touko_nanami]

@@hikingworm1028 too long I didn’t bother to read your opinion

[@talesofgore9424]

@@touko_nanami would you rather it had been mumble rap? Fucking zoomers.

[@wut1727]

how is that long ​@@touko_nanami

[@gabrielfalcao2952]

This is the space race we deserved

[@jimmy2k4o]

No, the one we have is the one we deserve. This one in for all mankind is better than we deserve

[@gabrielfalcao2952]

@@jimmy2k4o I have to agree...

[@iamrightoutsideyourwindowhello]

eventually, we'll have a mars race with the US against china..but who knows if it will ever happen

[@tyvernoverlord5363]

@@iamrightoutsideyourwindowhello *_NEVER_* We pissed around way too much for way, way, way, waaaaaaaaaaay too damned fracking long. With collapse imminent, killing ourselves along with 99.9999999% of all life on Earth within the coming ~65 or so years, WWIII coming faster than we realize, and economic catastrophe on the near horizon; this show is the CLOSEST we will ever come to seeing a glimmer of a brighter future in the stars.

[@iamrightoutsideyourwindowhello]

@@tyvernoverlord5363 ok doomer

[@jimmy2k4o]

Danni is having so much fun letting Ed think he’s won. Then Kelly said “it’s not all about being first” They were trolling them so hard

[@slimj091]

"A comet fly by" Yeah... because there are always comets to do a fly by whenever you need them.

[@WiseguyThreeOne]

I think it's an orbital technique, not saying literally use a comet.

[@MrPineeeapppless]

It’s possible to slow down just enough to get a second encounter with a body, and use gravity to slow the ship instead of just braking..

[@MiG-25IsGOAT]

@@MrPineeeapppless but as he says, there is not a comet spawning if you need it, and I don't think you will slow down to get to it

[@jimmy2k4o]

Uber eats: we don’t have many limits dev, but that’s one…. Dev: how about an asteroid? *hangs up*

[@slimj091]

@@MrPineeeapppless No he was literally suggesting flying by a comet to use it as a gravity assist to increase velocity. The character was spiraling, and was just throwing s*** at the wall hoping some of it would stick.

[@omniwatcher-cz5dj]

Man I have been trying to find that jolly roger scene for forever. Glad you posted this clip always so funny seeing Baldwin's face when he realized something was wrong when he heard that song.

[@scailliet]

That was the funniest part. Seeing him laugh at first with everyone else, and then actually listening to the song and realizing what the song implied. And then immediately getting the 'oh f*ck' face.

[@christophercook7379]

Having a mass driver on the moon is an incredible oversight opportunity for this show!

[@hawky225]

Love the shoutout at the end for the Planetary Society snd Lightsail, a crowdfunded spacecraft proving the feasibility of solar sails.

[@vlaskarountzos5803]

Such a great scene. Love how Ed's facial expression changes

[@brucewatt1032]

Great casting - perfect acting, exceptional art direction and spectacular directing, with a nod to the realities of the time and amazing attention to detail in post production and special effects, makes this series the best ‘alternate reality’ show since The Man In The High Castle, in my humble opinion 👌 Yes, I realize I didn’t use enough full stops - my admiration of this show got ahead of my punctuation 😆

[@grantduke318]

Let’s hope it doesn’t contain an ending like MITHC!

[@jimmy2k4o]

Best alternative reality show since MITHC? I’d say it’s infinitely better than the man in the high castle. In ranking order or parallel earths online on it goes 3.the man in the high castle 2.our reality 1.for all mankind High castle is about a history worse than ours but FAM Is about a history better than ours.

[@AbbreviatedReviews]

6:52 "They totally lost it" Nah son, you haven't seen "lost it" yet.

[@Iskelderon]

An acquaintance worked on the ealy German project to send a solar sail experiment into space, so it was fascinating to see this in action. Only thing the show got wrong is how you'd unfurl the carbon masts, on the CG model the pipe just extends.

[@poabott]

Actually this is because in 1979 NASA first discovered Extendo-Carbon, a hyperdense material that could fold it on itself which would later be used by the CIA to create the ultimate Inspector (joke) (not even a funny one)

[@charles_dingus]

I'm no physicist but how would a solar sail actually help in a race to mars? They would need to be off course to start and then continually correct the course with the thrust from the sail. If they were on course from the start using a sail would change their trajectory away from mars, and seeing how the burn will always be away from the sun, wouldn't the only thing they could achieve be making the trajectory to mars longer?

[@Iskelderon]

@@charles_dingusOn such a long trip, it can add up as an added advantage, bus so far we've mostly used it for light-weight research payloads.

[@charles_dingus]

@@Iskelderon But how would it be an advantage? I'm talking about the orbital mechanics side of it. As I understand it they were already on course for mars, and any changes to that should mean they will go off course, so by opening the sail they should be thrown off course.

[@Iskelderon]

@@charles_dingus It was simplified for the sake of TV convenience, but you could use it to your advantages if the path is right, since Mars is further out in the solar system and therefore the solar wind would be "blowing" in that direction. You'd ideally pick a timing where when you leave Earth, Mars is mowing in your direction (meaning, the Earth is ahead of Mars on the rotation around the sun). Not sure if that's a year on the show where that would be going on. In this situation, you'd more fly out from the sun and let Mars come to you.

[@viola_case]

The VFX shots in every one of the science talks in this show are amazing.

[@joeharris3878]

Arthur C. Clark wrote a short story that appeared in Boys Life magazine. It was about a race of craft propelled by the solar wind. "Sunjammer" I must've been in 3d grade. 1964 ?

[@PeterLGଈ]

Good little story.

[@olliebarker9979]

Got to be one of my favourite scenes from For All Mankind. The three difference approaches, the innovation, the shanty, chefs kiss.

[@JustinJJHCS1]

Solar Sails Carbon Nanotube Supports would make that possible.. Its other drawback is the sail can get Holed causing a reduction in the Thrust or effect Change in Direction.. Like DS9 the sails will have to be shedable if they get damaged.

[@bozhijak]

My jaw hit the floor during this sequence. Suck it Ed. Hahaha!!!

[@koiyujo1543]

Same lol

[@bozhijak]

LOVED THIS SEQUENCE!!!

[@manumaker0859]

this scene just dosen't get old

[@jeepinbanditrider]

Such a great show with an awesome soundtrack. I'm about to binge season 4. I hope they can keep it up.

[@Towhomitmayconcern9293]

After space hotel and such. I had mixed feelings for season 4 but they did not disappoint.

[@jimmy2k4o]

I adore for all mankind, every year I get nervous they won’t recapture the magic of what came before. With season 4 I felt that my worst fears had came true, I had no idea what the point of the season was. Ed on mars, Kelly looking for alien life, Margot looking for a decent cheeseburger. Aleda dealing with ptsd. Dev dealing with retirement New character running his black market. Etc etc etc Until dev showed up to Ed after ending the strike and revealed his grand plan. Then I was back fully onboard and felt guilty for having such lack of trust. “Ed, do you wanna help me (spoilers) this (spoiler)” And Ed smiles Genius.

[@sumanthmurthy1642]

Ed realizing the Jolly Rodger music!! Priceless!! And Dev’s reaction was totally EXPECTED! Like what did you expect!! Of course he wants to be the first!!

[@NickyLunaLove]

I love so much that they bothered to add an extra bit to explain the science behind solar sails :3

[@Madhuntr]

favourite scene of the whole series

[@AndreAFirenze]

Watching now the sixth episode. So far, the best of best.

[@theendeavor8189]

Hearing the music I immediately thought solar sails like from alien covenant movie! I was like HOLY SHIT

[@bringdapain8462]

Love this show, wish it was my reality..

[@michaelr8189]

Some people have already called out the questionable logic in hiding such a feature, but I'm more curious about it's trade offs. If you can afford the complexities and weight to attach a giant fold out solar sail, you can also just simply add more fuel in it's place. I don't know how much propulsion a solar sail like that can actually provide over a trip to mars, obviously I'm a not a rocket scientist, but I think it's fair to guess that it couldn't actually be enough to justify the extra mass. It's a fun concept to play with in a story like this though!

[@aaronb9696]

It's not that helpful for the trip to mars. but its very helpful for anything further way

[@milo-gd3ml]

We need Season 5 RIGHT NOW😫

[@melvance7281]

Never seen this. But the videos I've seen suggest to me, i need to watch. Looks like a watchable war movie

[@johnecoapollo7]

After rewatching this, it only makes the North Korean "twist" even more insulting to our intelligence.

[@Tigershark_3082]

Not really It's 100% a thing that would've likely happen, had this actually been our reality. As much as I hate to say it, there are absolutely countries out there that would sacrifice some of their best, if it meant being the first. You *could* say that this somewhat happened with the prior (failed) Bell X-1 flights (before Yeager's), though that was also because we didn't fully understand the sound barrier yet.

[@TOFKAS01]

Sometimes this series is like how the late 20th century would have been in Star Trek...

[@Sarah412100]

Yes, all "3" series.

[@xinguan2681]

11:00 Oh my goodness MASS Cannon! (Yeah yeah they’re ping pongs)

[@AubreyJack_]

Anyone knows the title of the music playing from 2:24 onwards?

[@MonsieurWorldwide]

It plays on a ton of S1 and S2 episodes as well, check the soundtrack listings and it'll be there

[@jimbomaiboi1662]

Black Hole Sun by Soundgarden

[@arrahmandikama6804]

Yo ho ho mateys

[@redoak4543]

Such a great show too bad it didn’t get a fourth season

[@MrPaulfabuleux]

5:39 the look on Danielle's face : "keep bragging old man, we're gonna kick your ass so bad"

[@twisted_fo0l]

The soviet union doesnt fall. Humanity is heavily involved in space. Im going to cry

[@cpte3729]

the soviet union also became a social democracy by the mid 1990s lol. You still lose even when escaping reality, tankie

[@sbraypaynt]

9:08 The idea of this infantile gesture intimidating anyone working in place like this is hilarious

[@theduke9292]

9:12 technician: …anyway as I was saying. It’s extremely dangerous and it’s unlikely to succeed. If you wish to endanger the crews lives for ego then I’d like it put upon the record you personally ordered this. The consequences are yours to face. Alone.

[@msredfox]

I love how everyone in the comments are suddenly becoming a rocket scientist after seeing this shit 😂

[@54hman]

With all the accidents that have happened in this show it's super unrealistic that the space shuttle didn't explode when putting out the giant sail especially with no testing done in actual space...

[@MyCaptainPugwash]

At say around 6 million km, wouldn't there be some radio delay????

[@kaziu312]

Yes, 20 seconds each way at that point.

[@Shadowkey392]

Awesome scene

[@markjmaxwell9819]

As they say it's not over till it's over. 😎🇦🇺

[@tieradlerch.217]

He wouldnt believe that random north korean were the first of all 3

[@Captain_Razor_88]

They’re right it’s not about who’s first, it’s about who’s the last one standing and in that, Ed’s ship wins.

[@DavidKnowles0]

The solar sail needed to be at least ten times bigger to push a ship of that size.

[@randomnickify]

It's not pushing them, just giving them enough acceleration to buy them few days of time over months of journey. It can totally do that.

[@spacemiaou67]

The ship has already accelerated to maximum speed using its thrusters. The sails aren't the main means of propulsion, they're just an addition that will give the ship a constant source of acceleration without consuming fuel.

[@DavidKnowles0]

@@spacemiaou67 An to do anything noticeable, it would have to have been many times larger. ,

[@DavidKnowles0]

@@spacemiaou67 Constant source of acceleration is propulsion, the sail wasn't big enough to make any difference. It as simple as that.

[@Rnankn]

Captain Sisko would be proud

[@youhangaroundforaliving]

Wait so at 2:11 mars 94 is launching but on the rescuing the soviets clip,it's the same craft The soviets made a single stage to mars?!

[@MrPineeeapppless]

One thing that’s unclear and is never shown, does sojourner return to earth or land back at Jamestown ? It seems it wouldn’t have the fuel to capture and land in complete vacuum after launching from mars ?

[@SaltyCanadian]

It landed on mars and during the landing destroyed it’s engine so they cannabalized it

[@MrPineeeapppless]

There were a dozen later missions, Sojourner 2 picked up the crew.

[@unusualusername8847]

Sojourner had the capability to return home if refueled, but it literally landed its engine on a rock which damaged it beyond repair.

[@scpguy1381]

Does anybody know if the light powered spinner at 10:16 can be replicated?

[@badwolf5245]

We had those in elementary school its called a Crookes radiometer

[@PeterLGଈ]

Almost any kids' science gadget shop will sell them.

[@jonasgabrielsilva2996]

0:55 Artifitial gravity??? In the mid 1990s???? Impossible!

[@prutten82]

Remember it's an alternative timeline.

[@jonasgabrielsilva2996]

@@prutten82 yes, you're right.

[@Shadowkey392]

Actually it was a concept back in the 1950s and earlier.

[@jonasgabrielsilva2996]

@@Shadowkey392 Oh, the Von Braun Habitable Wheel...

[@krisshnapeswanipeswani3190]

not the high tech one. just a space station with a spinning wheel

[@rtwas]

That solar sail would have to be a whole lot bigger than that.

[@koiyujo1543]

They could only fit it so much its still a pretty large sail

[@Shadowkey392]

Not necessarily.

[@rtwas]

@@Shadowkey392 If you don't care that it'd take 10,000 years to get where your going, then you'd b right. Solar sails for a vehicle that heavy would be miles on a side (estimated). If it's a laser powered sail, it could be smaller.

[@Name-ot3xw]

Ok, so a photon loses energy when it is reflected. What happens if we trapped a photon in between two mirrors. What happens to the photon after it loses all energy?

[@RAFFIZUMZ]

Heat

[@J-Johna-Jameson]

The way it works is some of the photons get absorbed completely while others get reflected, if you trap a photon in a reflecting box it would absorb the photon as it continues to hit the mirrors

[@armandsbernaus5260]

Solar sail that small for multi ton spacecraft would work only if there was huge laser shining on it.

[@spooders8424]

You’d need a much bigger solar sail to push a crewed spacecraft

[@dadygee]

This girl.. she won my heart, mind and.. nuts... the moment she said " you can lead follow or f**k right off.." i wish she was my wife. Another universe maby.. oh I am probably happy there because.. Not so much here.

[@superkartoffel7479]

This solar sail mechanism looks so weird. Like the support cables just appear out of thin air. Other than this pretty good episode.

[@WDLawless]

Is there any footage on the interior of the MARS-94 spacecraft?

[@gabrieldarcy9067]

No, I don't believe they ever show the interior

[@williamerazo3921]

My issue what’s the Mars Soviet 95 logistics to land on Mars

[@ranaghast]

I think either same as Sojourner's as in land the whole craft or they could have brought landers with them.

[@unflexian]

​@@ranaghasttwo landers

[@youhangaroundforaliving]

Mars 94*

[@carrickrichards2457]

Retractible landning gear is unnecessary extra weight?

[@hmr200subs]

It's gotta land on Mars, then the Moon again

[@Lazgar_lockman]

Only problem I have with this scene is that by this point, communication to Earth would be a 20-minute delay (10 out, 10 back)

[@Jogeta5]

4 minutes as this is when Earth and Mars are closest.

[@jonasgabrielsilva2996]

3:11 soyuuuuuuuuz nierushiiiiiiimiiiiiiiiiiiii...

[@Sudz3]

Where's that ending clip from?

[@JoraulStreams]

It’s from the Behind The Science featurettes on TV+. There’s one for every episode in season three.

[@daniellafferety4025]

What happens when a emergency occurs that makes it necessary to be close by each other. For safty.

[@LtCWest]

Simple, they furl the sails back. In fact, I think that actually happens in the show too, Mars-94 suffers from some sort of breakdown and Sojourner 1 stays back to pick up the cosmonauts, giving up their new lead on Helios.

[@GregasaurausRex]

Why did they wait so late to use the solar sail?

[@deavori1263]

dramatic effect

[@chemicalhap]

To get the right telemetry...and probably the optimal amount of speed to start from...so the sail accelerates them at the correct speed

[@SAINT-ANTONIO]

How about fusing photons with mass atoms through a fusion reactor and boost in electrostatic state around the craft like a Donut? Coffee on Mars in 2 hours and back for dinner on Earth...

[@oogdiver]

I hope the next Dragon spacecraft is equipped with a CRM114.

[@sourabhkarmakar8040]

Hey that's Darwin from X Men First class

[@ssg8663]

Sojourner seems rather small to cater for the fuels, engines for VTOL, supplies, living space ect. Far too small.

[@hmr200subs]

Well, it is about 230 ft long. There'd be plenty of living space even if only the first 40 ft was dedicated to living area and supplies. Plus, I believe the journey took only 5 months.

[@jonasgabrielsilva2996]

Why someone's sign is saying: "f*** the moon"?

[@lumpyize]

Oh wow look at this Treasure Planet stuff

[@reinaldoboaventura8497]

Hi-bob ❤

[@fasillimerick7394]

Sadly, I'm pretty sure the first words spoken on Mars are going to be 同志 我不被允许翻译这个

[@mindbender3379]

Hi Bob! 🙂

[@Rulfan83]

Hy bob!

[@dominickefrim3088]

Accelerating with a solar sail in 1 direction is cool, but once it reaches maximum acceleration how do you counter the speed in the opposite direction to slow it down?

[@Rnankn]

To slow down a spacecraft propelled by a solar sail after reaching maximum acceleration in one direction, you need to reverse the orientation of the sail.

[@unusualusername8847]

In the show, all they did was just spin the ship around 180 degrees to provide a opposing thrust to slow down.

[@AV88-dz3jk]

A timeline where instead of 2020 today , we are at 1990s level progress? Or even 80s where millionaires meant working hard , computer engineers and not KZbin starts today . I’m starting to be 40, rather be today when I can still be and feel more intelligent than young ones , I would feel dumb if we still had progress

[@kaloyanradkov8962]

would there be triangular sails in the future to travel from Mars back to Earth???

[@SaltyCanadian]

Solar sails are a real concept and are being demonstrated in orbit with probes right now, in 10-20 years with the right funding we could make something like this

[@hmr200subs]

No. Since the photons will always be radiating away from the Sun, it will always have an outward thrust, e.g. not towards Earth, and towards Jupiter, Saturn, etc.

[@bobdadnaila7708]

In another quantum reality,...

[@MiG-25IsGOAT]

I still don't get it how phoenix was first if sojouner 1 had a 384,400 km advantage because it took of from the moon... (I haven't watched the series so I don't know if they say why in there) If it was taking of from the moon, how was phoenix, which was from the earth, somehow first?

[@Jogeta5]

Pheonix was ready to launch first, but Sojourner and Mars-94 had to rush and play catch up to even launch in 1994 instead of 1996.

[@unusualusername8847]

Phoenix has better engines than Sojourner and Mars-94, the specific advantage of the methane engines were they worked better in a vacuum and were faster than Sojouner (and Mars-94) in said vacuum.

[@hmr200subs]

@@unusualusername8847 Sojourner and Mars-94 both had NTRs, so they actually work better than Methalox, since they have higher specific impulse.

[@unusualusername8847]

@@hmr200subs I just remember they said the advantage of methane was in a vacuum according to the person behind Phoneix.

[@hmr200subs]

@@unusualusername8847 Oh, idk. Maybe compared to another chemical fuel? Because, like I said, nuclear rockets have a much higher specific impulse (In layman's terms, efficiency.)

[@DGPPhysics]

The Russia we would like to happened and not the stupid country we know in our days.

[@aaronsmith8073]

A space race that should have been

[@karantov1]

Neerva rockets. But TV is to cowardly to explore that answer.

[@daniellafferety4025]

A race is a bad idea. Look at the race to the south pool. The Norwegians won.but sir hilliary scote stayed behind dieing in that ant artic weather station. He had to be first at something even if it killed him. Raceing to the stars might be to ego motated. Let be realistic the fat slow turtle wins the endurance race. And survival.

[@OhHenGee1796]

Pioneers die. It kinda goes with the territory. Dev even mentions that in the original Jamestown colony (first in the now-United States), 80% died in the first 3 years. We take these things for granted now, since everywhere has been explored, pretty much, and we live cushy lives now that have been paid for in actual blood by millions who came before us. Death isn't the worst thing that can happen to a person.

[@annant001kumar6]

Series name

[@planetsec9]

Phoenix should have just countered with an electric/magnetic/plasma sail deployment, they're more powerful than solar sails.

[@Cyynapse]

i like how they did all this and north korea still beat all three of them

[@Read.A.Journal.Article]

The best part is, this show is amazing if you watch it on mute and take out 100% of the actors. Lol. Factually great, but what a bish drama😂😂😂

[@adriankoh4859]

Since this show is about human kind I'm think this series is going to end with style 🎉 like we become techno gods in future or something like that 😂

[@robertbradbury7921]

" Since this show is about human kind " It's about mankind

[@adriankoh4859]

@@robertbradbury7921 isn't that the same thing? 😅

[@robertbradbury7921]

@@adriankoh4859 human kind just like hapy holidays is new WOKE speak

[@BSpinoza210]

@@robertbradbury7921 Who cares? What even is 'Woke' in this context? Why be so sensitive about being more technically correct? IMO, technically correct is the best kind of correct. Unbunch your tighty whites and go touch some grass rather than trying to be some kind of arbiter of words or thought police on the internet, because down that road, lies madness.

[@mofka26]

@@robertbradbury7921 whats even wrong with happy holidays?

[@prnkstr]

What a lovley CEO....acting like a five year old when hes told "no". I'm sure all his employees respect him /s

[@Estes705]

Kind of reminds me of another corporate big wig who fires his employees when he gets a cob up his butt over something...

[@TheDarmach]

They should've used some proper shanties.