For All Mankind - Pathfinder Shuttle Maiden Flight

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@zacvidyasagar8208
@zacvidyasagar8208 3 жыл бұрын
I had the biggest smile on my face when I saw they were air launching a shuttle
@JuniorJuni070
@JuniorJuni070 3 жыл бұрын
So facinating
@MDRAHMAN-cn4vq
@MDRAHMAN-cn4vq 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not alone then
@dalethelander3781
@dalethelander3781 3 жыл бұрын
That's the way it was originally supposed to be.
@QuantumAscension1
@QuantumAscension1 3 жыл бұрын
@@starmanxvi So that the US would have invested more in space development and a manned mission to Mars to one up them?
@zoidberg444
@zoidberg444 3 жыл бұрын
You know I'm sure you could have designed the shuttle for air launch - you might just need something a little better than a 747 to do it. Maybe something with a delta wing but with the afterburning engines from Concorde that can get to 50,000ft and near supersonic speed carrying a pig like the space shuttle on its back.
@HeliosEusebio
@HeliosEusebio 3 жыл бұрын
"Fly a ship into space. Not launch, not blast. Fly." Brings a tear to your eye, doesn't it?
@killian9314
@killian9314 3 жыл бұрын
Virgin was so close to this.... they blew it
@Anticheat2011
@Anticheat2011 3 жыл бұрын
yes im laughing so hard
@charlesc4677
@charlesc4677 3 жыл бұрын
@@killian9314 , sure they're nearly a decade behind schedule, but they did have a successful test launch this past week and the first one in New Mexico. They may finally pull a commercial launch off before (look at watch)....uh....(look at other watch...look at calendar)....2030...
@d283jdsk2
@d283jdsk2 3 жыл бұрын
@@charlesc4677 you sure about that one broski?
@ArcXDZ
@ArcXDZ 3 жыл бұрын
@@charlesc4677 aged like milk
@badmoth242xl3
@badmoth242xl3 3 жыл бұрын
Ksp fans, this is your time.
@calebh7902
@calebh7902 3 жыл бұрын
Kerbal space program?
@confusedfarmer3171
@confusedfarmer3171 3 жыл бұрын
On it. I don’t know when I’ll be able to work on it but I’ll sure do my best!
@jadennelson7886
@jadennelson7886 3 жыл бұрын
Already have mine on steam
@neon5815
@neon5815 3 жыл бұрын
Pls make video about the build🥺
@jadennelson7886
@jadennelson7886 3 жыл бұрын
@@neon5815 I can’t, but I can link the workshop item
@rzero21
@rzero21 3 жыл бұрын
If there is something to love about this show, is that it uses actual proposed, experimental projects, and/or failed bids for space programs. For example, Lockheed C-5 (alongside Boeing 747) was proposed to carry Rockwell Space Shuttle. Sea Dragon was a proposed heavy launch vehicle and Pathfinder was the name for a Space Shuttle mock up.
@otakububba8081
@otakububba8081 Жыл бұрын
Pathfinder has been around the world, it finally ended up being put on display at the US Space and Rocket Center in Huntsville, AL. They took it down for restoration around the same time that season 2 premiered.
@liamerickson3427
@liamerickson3427 Жыл бұрын
Dude i was so excited when i saw the sea dragon. Seeing them flesh out REAL concepts and not just Sci Fi imaginations is part of what made this series so great IMO
@fordo5361
@fordo5361 Жыл бұрын
the boeing 747 actually did carry the space shuttle from where it was built, to its launch pad. The soviets did something similar with the antonov an-225 which carried all the components for the enegira-buran launch system which was the soviet counterpart to the space shuttle
@androcreer783
@androcreer783 Жыл бұрын
And the paine space telescope hahaha
@muhammadarifbillah984
@muhammadarifbillah984 11 ай бұрын
It's a shame they didn't bring up project Orion, that ship was bonker
@leosenpai8246
@leosenpai8246 3 жыл бұрын
When nasa had the us military budget
@ACVMC
@ACVMC 3 жыл бұрын
fr
@songyani3992
@songyani3992 3 жыл бұрын
More actually. Remember they ended Vietnam war 5 years early for the space program
@kysz1
@kysz1 3 жыл бұрын
It will have such budget as soon as it will anounce they found oil on Mars
@Spinikar
@Spinikar 3 жыл бұрын
Well, not the entire US military budget. Like 5% would do it.
@Kenterstellar
@Kenterstellar 3 жыл бұрын
Capitalized the (US) not (us)
@kylefan8026
@kylefan8026 3 жыл бұрын
Seeing the nuclear engine burn is like seeing the exact moment our world went from modern to sci-fi. Watching the whole show felt like experiencing the origin of those beloved sci-fi series. In short, it’s like witnessing the history we didn’t got to own. I literally cried.
@Steph.98114
@Steph.98114 3 жыл бұрын
We have the ability to build nuclear engines, the issue is radiation pollution and what happens when it explodes
@Ithirahad
@Ithirahad 3 жыл бұрын
It's a non-history. Good nuclear propellants take up a ton of space so you'd need bigger propellant tanks than the Shuttle's external tank, not this slim thing, and you'd still have trouble getting both enough thrust and enough delta-V (overall acceleration over time - in short, fuel + efficiency) with any kind of nuclear engine that is operable in atmosphere. Physics says it's MARGINALLY possible with a very well-optimized engine using temperature-tolerant materials we don't even know exist yet, but the ship wouldn't look like that.
@TheTrueAdept
@TheTrueAdept 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ithirahad that's not entirely true, if Children of a Dead Earth is any indication (which holds the title of 'hardest scifi combat simulator' for now). The best payload-heavy (like, say, warships or, in this case, a shuttle) propellant is actually the methane/propane chain of chemicals... which (if the math behind the NTRs in the game are correct) can give an NTR _kilogravities_ of power...
@Ithirahad
@Ithirahad 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheTrueAdept That 'chain of chemicals' is called alkanes, and if a certain Russian infographic is to believed you're likely better off with ammonia as dense NTR fuels go.
@Ithirahad
@Ithirahad 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheTrueAdept ...also while CoaDE is lots of fun, and the "hardest" sim so far, it's also the game where you make entire engines out of single-crystal diamond depositions, all properties of all materials are not particular well modeled, and a lot of engineering techniques and tricks are just not present.
@StellarYankee
@StellarYankee 3 жыл бұрын
The space program we deserved but had to wait for.
@matthewcaughey8898
@matthewcaughey8898 3 жыл бұрын
We’re still waiting for it
@thomasbanks9828
@thomasbanks9828 3 жыл бұрын
Or never got.
@knytrydr73
@knytrydr73 3 жыл бұрын
"For all Mankind, or, The Way Things Should Have Happened"
@coconutsnacks1811
@coconutsnacks1811 3 жыл бұрын
@@matthewcaughey8898 we might be getting it within the decade or so
@dsrutherford9197
@dsrutherford9197 3 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for. Republicans decided enough with the incredible scientific advancements the Us Government funded, that made the USA the greatest country on earth for a while. What we needed instead was massive debt, more billionaires, massive tax breaks for big business, and eventually flat out theft.
@dreday2ka
@dreday2ka 3 жыл бұрын
"Y'all ready for the inaugural flight of the most bad ass nuclear rocket ever to grace god's green earth" Me: Fuck yeah
@rubydooby1679
@rubydooby1679 3 жыл бұрын
Really? I thought that was cheesy as fuck.
@knytrydr73
@knytrydr73 3 жыл бұрын
@@rubydooby1679 - It probably what someone would have actually said.
@BSpinoza210
@BSpinoza210 3 жыл бұрын
@@rubydooby1679 I'm definitely here for the cheese. I hope we can re-kickstart the NERVA program again.
@maxflaviohs
@maxflaviohs 3 жыл бұрын
whoa, nuclear rockets? Is this the concept they are using in they spaceships?? Cool. I have read a little about and found out that nasa once dabble with the prospects of a nuclear-powered space rocket, but in the end they dismissed it for being too dangerous and complex, am i right?
@ivannoreland5656
@ivannoreland5656 3 жыл бұрын
​@@maxflaviohs The issue wasn't safety or complexity but rather cost and the fact that there was no need for it since the Apollo program was cancelled and there has never been any serious attempt to go to Mars.
@h8GW
@h8GW 3 жыл бұрын
The T-tail on that C-5 had me sweating during the orbiter separation.
@shindenfighter3303
@shindenfighter3303 3 жыл бұрын
Tbh I think they would have to modify it (like they did with the 747 or soviets did with an-225) to help combat air flow distrubances behind the payload. Idk, I think they could have modeled it better in the series.
@chillvader3435
@chillvader3435 3 жыл бұрын
@@shindenfighter3303 I tought the same
@TheJoeSwanon
@TheJoeSwanon 3 жыл бұрын
@@shindenfighter3303 NASA has said that the alterations they made to the 747 for transporting the shuttle was actually not needed after additional testing, but they had already made the modification so they left it.
@TheJoeSwanon
@TheJoeSwanon 3 жыл бұрын
They were originally going to use the C-5 galaxy to transport the space shuttle but later settled on a the 747
@chrisbaker2903
@chrisbaker2903 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheJoeSwanon The report I read stated that the 747 actually could carry a heavier payload. C5 is so big because they need to move bulky things like helicopters etc.
@SoloRenegade
@SoloRenegade 3 жыл бұрын
FYI, Pathfinder was an actual shuttle. A full scale mockup, now on display in Alabama
@pricelessppp
@pricelessppp 3 жыл бұрын
What’s it similar to this?
@effervescentrelief
@effervescentrelief 3 жыл бұрын
It’s made of wood and steel.
@claudeblue2281
@claudeblue2281 3 жыл бұрын
@@effervescentrelief and plastic, foam, cardboard... it is if you make a life-size shuttle with the things you have around your house.
@nikolakaravida4087
@nikolakaravida4087 3 жыл бұрын
The Sea Dragon was a real concept too. Most of the shit in the series is real, either prototypes or from NASA drawing boards.
@nickmarsala3787
@nickmarsala3787 3 жыл бұрын
@@nikolakaravida4087 Why didn't any if it make it past the drawing board?
@ScottGammans
@ScottGammans 3 жыл бұрын
SO many nerd moments in the penultimate episode of S2: 1. Air launched SSTO Pathfinder 2. Sea Dragon night launch 3. The Saturn 1B on the milk stand! (My personal favorite for sentimental reasons.) 4. That thing that happened at the end of the episode. Egad.
@kokofan50
@kokofan50 3 жыл бұрын
Air launch isn’t SSTO. The carrier plane is the first stage.
@kokofan50
@kokofan50 3 жыл бұрын
Air launch isn’t SSTO. The carrier plane is the first stage.
@felixsteinhardt8836
@felixsteinhardt8836 3 жыл бұрын
@@kokofan50 Smart ass!
@terminalius
@terminalius 3 жыл бұрын
If only we got to see Project Orion
@chrisbaker2903
@chrisbaker2903 3 жыл бұрын
@@terminalius Larry Niven's book "Footfall " uses an orion powered ship that carries all 4 of the shuttles as auxiliary craft. A very fine read. It actually has a logical reason for the aliens to invade. And the weren't men in rubber suits either. Think intelligent elephant like creatures.
@Cloingor
@Cloingor 3 жыл бұрын
I get that this scene is unrealistic in various ways and annoys the fanboys but I like that the show generally leans into the historical record: Sea Dragon, NERVA and air-launched vehicles were all things that the Americans looked at at various points. Also: Sally Ride - a true American hero
@zolikoff
@zolikoff 3 жыл бұрын
Well it's far more realistic than the nuclear reactor meltdown "threat" from the show.
@Geshiko-GuP
@Geshiko-GuP Жыл бұрын
I mean it is one of the most realistic Space Shows right now probably the most realistic besides Space Shows that take place in our timeline, This scene should also kinda signify this is not our Timeline in the slightest anymore, The Engine alone sounded straight out of Star Wars, Someone else in the comment section also said that, This is now Sci-Fi
@ReezeGoingSenseless
@ReezeGoingSenseless Жыл бұрын
@@Geshiko-GuP I treat this show as a mental precursor to the expanse.Just awesome.
@hdufort
@hdufort 3 жыл бұрын
I find it extremely weird that the Russians didn't develop Buran as the super powerful shuttle with the Uragan rocket and perhaps even flyback boosters as they intended to. This would have made the timeline so much cooler.
@johnjohn-6256
@johnjohn-6256 3 жыл бұрын
You need to understand that in the “normal” timeline, the Soviet Union is experiencing many internal problems. I guess that’s why.
@hdufort
@hdufort 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnjohn-6256 Is the normal timeline referring to our timeline? Here's what we have: Our timeline: Soviet Union builds Buran on the Energia rocket with disposable side boosters. Energia is flown twice successfully, and is incredibly powerful. Then the whole program is cancelled. For All Mankind: Buran is a complete copy of the American Space Shuttle. Why would the Soviets choose that direction? It's so... underwhelming.
@Zachomara
@Zachomara 3 жыл бұрын
@@hdufort It's because the authors didn't really do their homework and know next to nothing about space. They don't even know about the overview effect.
@Shadowkey392
@Shadowkey392 3 жыл бұрын
@@Zachomara how would you portray the overview effect?
@thaddeusstevens1344
@thaddeusstevens1344 3 жыл бұрын
"I find it extremely weird that the Russians didn't develop Buran as the super powerful shuttle with the Uragan rocket" I find it extremely hilarious that you thought Russians had original ideas, and didn't just steal the designs for everything they make. Cheating is kind of a part of their culture.
@mattknell6741
@mattknell6741 3 жыл бұрын
God this scene was perfection! I love how the cockpit viewpoint is filmed vertically the whole time prior to the reveal that is actually docked with the transport plane horizontally! Soooo clever!
@TheJoeSwanon
@TheJoeSwanon 3 жыл бұрын
I love how the show generates so much serious intelligent debate. Just look at this comment section. It’s The first time it’s actually interesting to read people’s comments
@jimmy2k4o
@jimmy2k4o 3 жыл бұрын
Never known a show to be set in the past but makes us optimistic about the future, while being frustrated by the present and nostalgic for the past. I hope the show is a wake up call, the way csi inspired forensic science or house inspired people to be doctors. This show should inspire people to be astronauts and make up for all the last 49 years of wasted time (am counting since apollo 17 in 1972)
@TheKurtkapan34
@TheKurtkapan34 3 жыл бұрын
@@jimmy2k4o You summed it beautifully on the first sentence. And here I am watching FAM stuff on youtube before JWST is launched. Fingers crossed.
@poere1234
@poere1234 Жыл бұрын
@@jimmy2k4o yes please. Humans are bound to discover. We are done with the earth now, it is time to look towards the stars and really put our effort into it.
@raymondyee2008
@raymondyee2008 3 жыл бұрын
01:55 WOW....launch from the top of a modified C-5. Now that's a first.
@mattstorm360
@mattstorm360 3 жыл бұрын
Would have been better if it was a galaxy shuttle carrier
@johnlau8461
@johnlau8461 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the T tail from C-5 would make it not suitable for carrying pathfinder, as the wake of the pathfinder might induce an earlier Deep stall
@Rabarbarzynca
@Rabarbarzynca 3 жыл бұрын
With NERVA used in atmosphere as a main thrust. This show is such a nerd treasure.
@IsegrimSTP
@IsegrimSTP 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnlau8461 Yeah it would not be able to fly with the shuttle on its back. Its the reason why the AN-225 has separated tail fins on each end of her elevators. .. Oh and from which Movie/Series is this taken ?
@johnlau8461
@johnlau8461 3 жыл бұрын
@@IsegrimSTP It can fly, but just unsafe. BTW thx for mentioning AN-225, certainly gonna read more about it. Its from For all mankind, its in the title m8
@johnecoapollo7
@johnecoapollo7 2 жыл бұрын
Brings a tear to my eye. The music, the pure joy of the crew, the fact that you indeed just flew into space. Awesome.
@TheBreezus
@TheBreezus 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine building something so big that when it launched you have to be at least 6 miles away so your ear drum doesn't explode. Jeez
@nickl5658
@nickl5658 3 жыл бұрын
Orion nuclear pulse rocket would be even more amazing and deadly
@zed7038
@zed7038 3 жыл бұрын
@@nickl5658 The Orion engine is like something a twelve year old would come up with after learning what nuclear bombs are. I love it.
@luccarodrigues781
@luccarodrigues781 3 жыл бұрын
This is my favorite scene from Season 2 :-) The surprise reveal when the camera flips 90 degrees to show the Pathfinder piggyback riding on top of the cargo plane and later SSTO-ing into space was golden.
@intothevoid5074
@intothevoid5074 3 жыл бұрын
One peculiarity I noticed is that the C5 Shuttle Carrier in question is a base model, not the Shuttle Carrier Concept with 2 hulls.
@TheKurtkapan34
@TheKurtkapan34 3 жыл бұрын
@@intothevoid5074 I think that could be a little too much and it would steal the spotligth from Pathfinder, at least for me. The one shown on screen was also a real design, called the piggyback configuration i believe. It was only for transferring the shuttle, not launching it but my inner nerd was still satisfied. A 747 with a T wing launched the Enterprise on one of the glider tests so it was certainly possible.
@ВЯЧВАС
@ВЯЧВАС 3 жыл бұрын
This is a "dirty" launch, in fact, the sputtering of isotopes in the air, which is why such a power plant was abandoned on large spacecraft in the atmosphere. This is only possible at altitudes of about 100 km.
@nicholasn.2883
@nicholasn.2883 3 жыл бұрын
I read that the radiation given off into the atmosphere was really quite negligible. And it was from bits of the engine ablating away. More development could solve that
@ВЯЧВАС
@ВЯЧВАС 3 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasn.2883 Anyway, heated hydrogen as a working fluid will be extremely radioactive. Both we and the USA planned to use jet engines only at the last stages.
@jacobbaumgardner3406
@jacobbaumgardner3406 3 жыл бұрын
@@ВЯЧВАС ok, so yeah. I was wondering that. Would a NTR be able to produce sufficient thrust through the mid atmosphere? Also, are those SABRE (LACE) engine I'm seeing on the side?
@ВЯЧВАС
@ВЯЧВАС 3 жыл бұрын
@@jacobbaumgardner3406 I'm from Russia, so I don't know what a SABER engine is, but in the shape of the air intakes and the cone, it looks like the engine that was used on the Blackbird, at a speed of 3 M the engine essentially worked as a ramjet engine, that is, the air did not enter the combustion chamber through turbine, but directly under the action of high-speed flow. Such an engine is suitable, up to a speed of 6-7 Mach numbers and an altitude of 35 km, that is, having reached this speed, you can climb a ballistic trajectory to an altitude of 100 km, and then launch NERVA there. ... So it is quite possible to ascend into orbit, but only under such conditions.
@iain3713
@iain3713 3 жыл бұрын
@@ВЯЧВАС really? The ntr is really just using fission to heat up the hydrogen, hydrogen is pretty resistant to neutron activation anyways so won’t really become radioactive unless you leave it there. The only radioactive parts should just be stuff that remains in the engine and the fuel pellets itself since that gets activated by the neutron radiation. Having a Nerva/ntr so close to everything seems a bit dumb though, it’s going to activate the airframe and everything around it
@andrejspecht8217
@andrejspecht8217 3 жыл бұрын
Nice animation. Keep healthy, everyone, we still have to witness the Great Return to Space this century. I'm def going to be a excited old man.
@user-lp7tx1fe6t
@user-lp7tx1fe6t 3 жыл бұрын
3:47 they said engine cutoff but their engine is still on 🤔
@Rooples
@Rooples 3 жыл бұрын
GOTM
@austin-multicellular
@austin-multicellular 3 жыл бұрын
yeah wtf their in orbit why do they need engine power
@csm107
@csm107 3 жыл бұрын
Either a continuity error or pathfinder is circularizing its orbit. It’s very likely it’s the former
@Godsjudgement12
@Godsjudgement12 3 жыл бұрын
might have been sea dragon
@austin-multicellular
@austin-multicellular 3 жыл бұрын
@@Godsjudgement12 ?
@boblieser
@boblieser 2 жыл бұрын
When I first saw the Pathfinder cockpit and the clouds outside, I was wondering, will they launch from Kennedy or Vandenberg? Then that 90 degree turn blew away my expectations. Awesome setup and scene!
@DraconaiMac
@DraconaiMac 3 жыл бұрын
Someone better decide when that engine is on or off. Lots of scene between "cutoff" and "burn" showing the engine fully lit. Cutoff at 3:16 then "Sea Dragon burn in 20 minutes".
@timjones102
@timjones102 3 жыл бұрын
actually federal law requires that any fictionalized depiction of spaceflight in film or television be written by the medically stupid. not sure how that one got through committee tbh, but thems the rules
@samcarpenter_
@samcarpenter_ 3 жыл бұрын
clearly just an editing mistake but i can overlook it. seems like the whole speech ed gives afterwards was supposed to be before the cutoff callout.
@martinxy1291
@martinxy1291 2 жыл бұрын
For all mankind, the show that brings fourth the promises never given to the generations watching it
@jup9975
@jup9975 3 жыл бұрын
The end of this episode was so insane!!
@ryderdopp8145
@ryderdopp8145 3 жыл бұрын
They are pretty good with that. Every episode ends with chaos
@captainmcmelon4001
@captainmcmelon4001 3 жыл бұрын
Americans: *Kill 1 and injured 1 soviet cosmonaut* "Accidentally" Soviets: "Hey boys, let's go murder some westerns at 3am"
@ondrejsimek2561
@ondrejsimek2561 3 жыл бұрын
@@captainmcmelon4001 take my like and leave
@doodleboi7034
@doodleboi7034 3 жыл бұрын
@@captainmcmelon4001 REVENGE FOR DA BROTHAS
@captainmcmelon4001
@captainmcmelon4001 3 жыл бұрын
@@doodleboi7034 Gang gang till the Russians cause Chernobyl in Jamestown lmao
@matthewcaughey8898
@matthewcaughey8898 3 жыл бұрын
To anyone curious the NERVA project was a series of nuclear rocket engines that had been intended for post Apollo usage. The belief was that in order to send missions to Mars and beyond a more efficient means of propulsion had to be created. The theory was that NERVA would allow the final Apollo missions to carry significantly more mass and potentially allow for a base to be established on the moon. The NERVA was more fuel efficient and powerful but being smaller it let you move more mass for less fuel. Several were tested and were found to be ideal but for political reasons the project was dropped. This was believed to be cause Nixon didn’t want to invest in a Mars mission or moon base. Instead he shackled the space program to the shuttle and it became from the earth to somewhere around the earth. Only now are we realizing just how much we’ve forgotten from project Gemini and Apollo. And we’ve got to do Apollo over again to get back to where we were in the 1970s
@knytrydr73
@knytrydr73 3 жыл бұрын
I say to people all the time, screw Watergate, Nixon killed America's future in space.
@matthewcaughey8898
@matthewcaughey8898 3 жыл бұрын
@@knytrydr73 he gave us from the earth to somewhere around the earth
@mbaxter22
@mbaxter22 3 жыл бұрын
IRL the American public preferred to spend all that money on the Vietnam war and the military industrial complex. Public opinion polls showed that most people didn’t even want us going to the moon, much less establishing a base or going to Mars. The American public will always choose bombs and bullets over gay stuff like space exploration, healthcare, science, etc.
@matthewcaughey8898
@matthewcaughey8898 3 жыл бұрын
@@mbaxter22 if things get much worse in this country they’ll get their wish and we’ll be buying the bombs and bullets off other countries to use on each other
@Geshiko-GuP
@Geshiko-GuP Жыл бұрын
Darn you Nixon!
@jmcenanly1
@jmcenanly1 3 жыл бұрын
In our timeline, Sally Ride operated the robot arm on the Space Shuttle. In this one, she is the flight engineer on a nuclear soacecraft.
@kolar
@kolar 3 жыл бұрын
Single stage to orbit to TLI. Fucking incredible.
@dragoninthewest1
@dragoninthewest1 3 жыл бұрын
Not quite, they had FRED as a first-stage
@hokutoulrik7345
@hokutoulrik7345 3 жыл бұрын
@@dragoninthewest1 ah FRED, always a good friend. Though an interesting choice for the carrier over the 747.
@TheOwenMajor
@TheOwenMajor 3 жыл бұрын
Also, fantasy in this case, because there is no way a shuttle-sized spaceplane like that could carry enough liquid hydrogen to make it anywhere. Nuclear engines run of the least dense reaction mass, you need massive tanks to carry enough.
@Matthew35333
@Matthew35333 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheOwenMajor What if it was lox-augmented? Or simply refueled in LEO.
@TheOwenMajor
@TheOwenMajor 3 жыл бұрын
@@Matthew35333 Hydrolox still requires massive tanks, look at the actual space shuttle. And to make matters worse we see in the last episode the payload bay is empty, it's not even a tank. Nuclear engines are efficient, but they aren't that efficient. And once you start injecting oxygen that efficiency goes way down.
@DarkFalconAnimations
@DarkFalconAnimations 3 жыл бұрын
I remember STS-135 in 2011. God, whenever I think of that day, it brings a tear to my eye.
@marty2129
@marty2129 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, they really activated NERVA in atmosphere? :D
@davidh9844
@davidh9844 3 жыл бұрын
In this politically correct world, atomic rockets do not produce radioactive fallout.
@DavidKnowles0
@DavidKnowles0 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidh9844 or they just don't care.
@danielbouzo523
@danielbouzo523 3 жыл бұрын
@@DavidKnowles0 probably that lol
@Orthanc6
@Orthanc6 3 жыл бұрын
Reagan said it was fine!
@andrewholland6782
@andrewholland6782 3 жыл бұрын
@@Orthanc6 Reagan was a doddering, senile fool too.
@TheRobak333
@TheRobak333 2 жыл бұрын
The only nitpick that I have with that scene is the fact that the C5 has its regular tail rather than something custom Like An-224 or 747 that carried the Shuttle IRL.
@Zatack7
@Zatack7 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for uploading all of these high-quality, full scenes to youtube
@cashcleaner
@cashcleaner 9 ай бұрын
Did anyone else freak the f out when you realized during the shot that the camera was rotating because Pathfinder wasn’t launching vertically, but rather via airborne? Because I did.
@thespiritstingray9359
@thespiritstingray9359 3 жыл бұрын
While a few things in this scene are pretty unrealistic, it has to be one of my favorite TV scenes I've ever seen. The sound of the engine spooling up when Ed (the commander) forces the throttle forward and the ignition of the engine... MAN I enjoy that. Seeing the shuttle speed off to the moon with its bright blue exhaust flames from the engine is so awesome too.
@Geshiko-GuP
@Geshiko-GuP Жыл бұрын
I mean the Engine sound alone kinda feels like the End of an Era, This was the official Jump to Sci-Fi, Flying into Space with a Nuclear Engine
@charliemartin-k7m
@charliemartin-k7m Жыл бұрын
This is what the real Pathfinder dreams of it was never a flying shuttle it was a test shuttle to fit rockets and other things on before they went on the real shuttles.
@Azazel2024
@Azazel2024 3 ай бұрын
By a few you mean almost all
@willlasdf123
@willlasdf123 3 жыл бұрын
Damn they really whipped out the Sea Dragon and a DyanSoar inspired shuttle. That's pretty dope!
@Clorox-enjoyer
@Clorox-enjoyer 3 жыл бұрын
For all mankind is a repensention of what should've happened a long time ago.
@LouSassol69er
@LouSassol69er 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's the Vietnam war that really killed what could've been.
@nicolaeionescu6538
@nicolaeionescu6538 3 жыл бұрын
Having your old lady cheating on you with a punk ass cadet and then flying a goddamn space shuttle. That's what I call grace under pressure.
@Seifiros
@Seifiros 3 жыл бұрын
That launch sequence was a legitimate goosebumps moment. Nice.
@X-JAKA7
@X-JAKA7 3 жыл бұрын
I thought the Space Shuttle Pathfinder was going to be launched with the external fuel tank and the solid rocket boosters. 🤷🏻‍♂️
@exospaceman8209
@exospaceman8209 3 жыл бұрын
The same thing I thought
@metropod
@metropod 3 жыл бұрын
That’s what they wanted you to think, hence why they framed the shot to imply they were lying on their backs.
@speediskey5188
@speediskey5188 3 жыл бұрын
That's what I thought also, heck I even made a video about it of my recreation in Kerbal Space Program with the STS launch system configuration.
@galacticcore0796
@galacticcore0796 3 жыл бұрын
Me too
@pseudotasuki
@pseudotasuki 3 жыл бұрын
No need. NERVA is so insanely efficient that the fuel tanks would fit inside.
@danielwalker26
@danielwalker26 2 жыл бұрын
Love that they put Sally Ride into the show.
@kentallard8852
@kentallard8852 3 жыл бұрын
oh I remember the NERVA rocket test in Stephen Baxters book Voyage
@matt07a74
@matt07a74 3 жыл бұрын
The NASA Trilogy. One of my favourite book series.
@BrSgtJordan
@BrSgtJordan 3 жыл бұрын
although in Voyage, NERVA went horribly and killed three astronauts. They ended up taking the slow route to Mars
@kayl456jenna
@kayl456jenna 3 жыл бұрын
@@BrSgtJordan It was a pretty stupid scene. It depends on NASA not having run into, and thus fixed, that exact same scenario while developing the J-2 engine for Saturn V. Not really believable.
@connormackay7098
@connormackay7098 3 жыл бұрын
​@@kayl456jenna Baxter wrote the Apollo-N disaster as a deliberate parallel to the Challenger disaster IRL. It's not any more unbelievable than the actual Challenger disaster imo. It's directly discussed how the engineers were aware of the issue beforehand but the problem was not relayed to NASA management, who were pushing to get the flight off the ground ASAP due to political/budget pressures. There's a whole section discussing how the recurrence of the pogo oscillations (despite that being previously solved in Saturn V development) was caused by unaddressed stresses on the launch vehicle as a result of the differences in the aerodynamics and mass distribution of Saturn V stack due to modifications made to accommodate Apollo-N and NERVA.
@kayl456jenna
@kayl456jenna 3 жыл бұрын
@@connormackay7098 I can accept a recurrence of pogo in a very large and complex system. I cannot accept the specific NERVA failure mode as plausible: the LH2 plumbing was only tested in atmosphere where the frost damped the vibrations, which shattered it on a vacuum. That exact scenario happened in J2 engine development, and was subsequently fixed. My suspension of disbelief snapped with the identical failure just a handful of years later on NERVA.
@Sovereign01
@Sovereign01 3 жыл бұрын
They specified the altitude and airspeed as 22,000 and 270 respectively but they didn't mention the units. However because the C5 has a service ceiling of 41,000 feet or 12,000 metres it has to be feet, which is a very low altitude for air-launch-to-orbit. The C5 would have to dive very quickly because the pathfinder would plummet the moment it was released before the engines start.
@VigilanteAgumon
@VigilanteAgumon 3 жыл бұрын
The added weight and drag of the shuttle reduces the service ceiling. For example, the 747's ceiling is normally around 45,000 feet, but the shuttle carrier variant was reduced to 15,000 feet when it was carrying the shuttle orbiter.
@Sovereign01
@Sovereign01 3 жыл бұрын
@@VigilanteAgumon Indeed, and the range was reduced to 1,000 nautical miles (1,200 mi; 1,900 km), compared to an unladen range of 5,500 nautical miles (6,300 mi; 10,200 km). So they're launching from 7,000 feet higher than the actual SCA but still very low for ALTO. They would get more lift due to the denser air at the lower altitude which makes separating from the carrier aircraft easier but it's still dangerous.
@dsdy1205
@dsdy1205 2 жыл бұрын
In the real life air separation tests, the attach mounts for the Orbiter were positioned in such a way that at release speed, the Orbiter had a higher AoA than the 747 and could develop 1.5 g's of lift immediately. I'd imagine they'd employ a similar design here
@Sovereign01
@Sovereign01 2 жыл бұрын
@@dsdy1205 You would think so, but they didn't. The forward mount shown here is the same height as the ones at the back so Pathfinder is level, which what would be used for a ferry flight. For both captive and free flights the nose strut should be longer to point it upwards so that when it's level the carrier aircraft is in a shallow dive to aid separation. Because the C5's tail is actually half a metre higher than the 747 if anything the AoA should be even greater so they would part more quickly.
@thepuncakian2024
@thepuncakian2024 11 ай бұрын
That's why they say "pushing over", going from 25,000 ft to 22,000 ft.
@knytrydr73
@knytrydr73 3 жыл бұрын
"For all Mankind, or, The Way Things Should Have Happened"
@tmann7064
@tmann7064 2 жыл бұрын
I think this is one of my favorite scenes from this season. Being able to see a shuttle that can fly into space, not be launched is amazing!
@0001lsw
@0001lsw 3 жыл бұрын
Just like the 2006 superman returns movie...without the airplane save
@glennski
@glennski Жыл бұрын
Genius way of using the tilted camera perspektive as an instrument of story telling.
@johnnydoe7616
@johnnydoe7616 3 жыл бұрын
I hear the sound of Kerbals.....
@thestudentofficial5483
@thestudentofficial5483 2 жыл бұрын
NASA is pretty bold to launch it from single tailed aircraft.
@toomanyaccounts
@toomanyaccounts Жыл бұрын
that was the initial idea for how to get the space shuttle into orbit not have rockets blast it there
@IainMcClatchie
@IainMcClatchie 3 жыл бұрын
@3:48 They are waiting 19 minutes until they burn to rendezvous with Sea Dragon. So... why is the NERVA running? They should be coasting...
@caav56
@caav56 3 жыл бұрын
Decay heat removal?
@doug2496
@doug2496 3 жыл бұрын
Im going to guess they were burning to maintain or raise their Orbit to meet the sea dragon.
@u1zha
@u1zha 3 жыл бұрын
@@doug2496 A maneuver to meet a thing is called a "rendezvous", so... it was not supposed to burn until 19 minutes later. Of course we can give them the artistic licence and try to explain stuff away with decay heat removal, but then why is the plume just the same size as when it's doing work? Implausible. :)
@Singurarity88
@Singurarity88 3 жыл бұрын
Could be wrong, but i think you can't just simply cut off a nuclear engine but rather lower its thrust output to reach nearly 0.
@IainMcClatchie
@IainMcClatchie 3 жыл бұрын
@@Singurarity88 That's a good point. You can chop a fission reaction to about 6% of it's previous output more-or-less instantly, but after that it's several minutes to get to 3%. It's actually a really good point, now that I think about it. How the hell was NERVA ever supposed to work? It'd overheat after you turned it off!
@tgmccoy1556
@tgmccoy1556 3 жыл бұрын
"The arching sky is calling Spacemen back to their trade." Heinlein...
@MarsFKA
@MarsFKA 3 жыл бұрын
"All hands! Stand by! Free falling! And the lights below us fade."
@campbellmays9900
@campbellmays9900 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarsFKA And we pray for one last landing on the globe that gave us birth; Let us rest our eyes on fleecy skies and the cool green hills of Earth.
@hansmueller3029
@hansmueller3029 Жыл бұрын
I remember watching Kennedy space center and Houston mission control for the Apollo missions. When things were not good, you couldn't tell in any voice or physical tell as the engineers sat at huge consoles. When things went good, they were cool as cucumbers too. Very different bred we had during Apollo.
@GradyLorenzo
@GradyLorenzo 3 жыл бұрын
"Pathfinder is in orbit" "MEC confirmed" >engine still burning.
@lucasgrd4258
@lucasgrd4258 3 жыл бұрын
weren't they talking about sea dragon ?
@Nixtutru
@Nixtutru 3 жыл бұрын
@@lucasgrd4258 no
@Quad373
@Quad373 11 ай бұрын
So many times in this show, especially in season 3 they just discard the existence of boosters and stages.😂
@Patchuchan
@Patchuchan 3 жыл бұрын
Nerva was an engine you'd use after getting into space to get a payload to the Moon or Mars vs something you'd fire inside the atmosphere such as in place of the J-2 on the S-IVB where it would have nearly doubled the TLI payload of a Saturn V. The later Timber Wind project engine could be used on a second stage or the core stage with Titian URMs.
@Zacharysharkhazard
@Zacharysharkhazard 2 жыл бұрын
NERVA was a program, not a particular engine; what’s described here is a very high thrust nuclear thermal rocket engine of some sort, possibly both air-breathing and closed cycle to push them out of the atmosphere with max efficiency.
@manofsan
@manofsan 2 жыл бұрын
I'm assuming NERVA exhaust would be radioactive, no? So to use it inside our atmosphere would be very hazardous to the planet.
@Patchuchan
@Patchuchan 2 жыл бұрын
@@manofsan Not particularly unless it's being ran hot enough to cause the core to melt but the biggest issue is the poor thrust to weight of NTR engines and the fact the core is not really that radioactive until it has been fired so a launch mishap would not make a radioactive mess to clean up.
@manofsan
@manofsan 2 жыл бұрын
​ @Patchuchan - surely that reactor's nuclear fuel poses a strong risk of contaminating the exhaust stream, doesn't it? How would they avoid that? Furthermore, it's a launch vehicle - there's an inherently high risk of it crashing or being destroyed in flight. That in itself would pose an unacceptably high risk of contamination of the Earth.
@TheTrueAdept
@TheTrueAdept Жыл бұрын
@@manofsan, it really depends on the design and how hard you pushed it. NERVAs were designed to utilize hydrogen (which, if you want a payload, requires you to have a ship that is basically 99.99% skeleton, including the shuttle launch section) and were pretty safe and didn't contaminate the exhaust stream. You really need to push an S-NTR (Solid Nuclear Thermal Rocket) pretty hard to get it to flake. For an SSTO, you're better off using a 'closed gas nuclear thermal rocket' (aka the 'nuclear lightbulb', basically a vaporized fission reaction in a quartz lightbulb).
@spaceykey6284
@spaceykey6284 3 жыл бұрын
I have seen enuogh, I can remake it in SFS
@johnnydoe7616
@johnnydoe7616 3 жыл бұрын
Someone needs to make it in KSP
@interstellargaming4230
@interstellargaming4230 3 жыл бұрын
ah yes i shall as well
@johnnydoe7616
@johnnydoe7616 3 жыл бұрын
@@interstellargaming4230 i’ll be waiting my friend 😊
@dylanclaesgens8394
@dylanclaesgens8394 3 жыл бұрын
Lol
@dylanclaesgens8394
@dylanclaesgens8394 3 жыл бұрын
Yes ksp
@johnmccnj
@johnmccnj 3 жыл бұрын
3:14 - I like that they've got the OV numbers as 2XX, to contrast the 1XX of the "real" shuttles. Out of interest, OV101 was the "Enterprise" test shuttle.
@kevinvoyer5053
@kevinvoyer5053 11 ай бұрын
You know there’s one thing not mentioned here in the alternate universe of this series. That’s the fact that IF the ussr had been the first to land on the moon, then it’s not a stretch to say that from that point on, instead of an arms race to build machines we could God forbid we ever actually used. Into a Space Race instead. Sure there would be bumps and arguments along the way. But just imagine the advances in science, instead of weapons the world would have seen. ???
@doch.8039
@doch.8039 3 жыл бұрын
Pathfinder NERVA: kicks them into orbit easily KSP NERV: struggles to get up to speed
@pokemonfanmario7694
@pokemonfanmario7694 3 жыл бұрын
Well pathfinder did get some help by being launched from a high altitude, bypassing the negligible ISP that nuclear engines have at sea level. Also the acceleration was probably exaggerated to make the launch more awesome.
@starshipsn-9513
@starshipsn-9513 3 жыл бұрын
@@pokemonfanmario7694 maybe augmenting the thrust by also burning the hydrogen with oxygen provided by the air intakes could explain Pathfinder's abilities (of course, in vacuum it would've switched vacuum mode)
@Ithirahad
@Ithirahad 3 жыл бұрын
@@pokemonfanmario7694 Nuclear ISP can be fine at sea level, but the problem is actually TWR... and high-altitude launch does not fix that. Afterburning with air might help, but probably still wouldn't quite make it all work.
@d0d0birdiexd78
@d0d0birdiexd78 3 жыл бұрын
Yo that sea dragon tho
@Popmations
@Popmations 2 жыл бұрын
whats sad here is that this (before season 3) is Ed's LAST mission with NASA before he switched to work for helios :(
@Valery0p5
@Valery0p5 Жыл бұрын
"Just fly". And no eccessive accelerations either! This is show is definitely a work of art
@neutrino78x
@neutrino78x 3 жыл бұрын
Should have reported like the USS Nautilus, "Houston, we are....UNDERWAY ON NUCLEAR POWER" :) (I was a submariner...couldn't help it lol)
@Blarnix
@Blarnix 2 жыл бұрын
That little vertical fakeout was great.
@grantharriman284
@grantharriman284 2 жыл бұрын
What irks me is that they EXPRESSLY call for the shuttle to shut off its engine and call out that it has entered orbit, which only has a meaning if the shuttle isn't under acceleration from an engine, and then promptly show us the shuttle with the motor clearly still burning.
@kainessel6392
@kainessel6392 3 жыл бұрын
Due to the heavy reactor and shielding the TWR of solid core NTRs (NERVA) is below 1. SO they don't work for getting out of earts gravity well. Even with the lower densety of the atmosphere Pathfinder would fall out of the sky like a brick. It make more sense to use cemical rockets (like RS 25) for flight to orbit and then fire up the Nuclear Rocket.
@DavidKnowles0
@DavidKnowles0 3 жыл бұрын
None of this makes sense. Pathfinder should have been a in orbit man test of a nuclear engine, probably specifically design first for speedier journeys to the moon and then for large vessels to the Moon.
@brianorca
@brianorca 3 жыл бұрын
It's already in aerodynamic flight, and in thin air at perhaps 40,000 ft, thanks to the C-5 carrier. As long as the Nerva thrust exceeds aerodynamic drag, they can reach orbit eventually. But it will be a very long burn.
@kainessel6392
@kainessel6392 3 жыл бұрын
TWR for a NERVA alone is something lieke 1.4 now add the mass of the fully fueld Pathfinder and it is way below one. Also the acselleration thy showen was like a chemical rocket. Only other explanation I can come up with is that the Nerva is a modified LANTR version. In a LANTR (Lox Argumented Nuclear Thermal Rocket) oxygen is injected into the hydrogen stream for more thrust.
@guspaz
@guspaz 3 жыл бұрын
@@kainessel6392 The TWR of SP-100 (a post-NERVA project in the 1980s) proposed a 100KW particle/pebble-bed reactor with a TWR of 25-35 and a specific impulse of up to 1000. Unlike NERVA, they never built working reactors, AFAIK.
@Joesolo13
@Joesolo13 3 жыл бұрын
@@kainessel6392 your using the first developed one or kerbal space program instead of considering it could've developed further
@Spartan2035
@Spartan2035 3 жыл бұрын
I wish they released the track when pathfinder separated from the c5
@gorenjevaskemaskin
@gorenjevaskemaskin 3 жыл бұрын
They did, its from Season 1, Armed Booster/Another Ship ☺️
@Spartan2035
@Spartan2035 3 жыл бұрын
@@gorenjevaskemaskin No way, thats awesome! Thanks!
@Anto-486
@Anto-486 3 жыл бұрын
@@Spartan2035 This is what you want, There are small parts of it in Armed Booster / Another Ship but the actual track is called Sea Dragon kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIOZg4eCpMuqmNE&loop=0
@Bearmauls
@Bearmauls 3 жыл бұрын
The mission control guy says engine cutoff, but when we cut back to Pathfinder, that engine is certainly still burning.
@fullyarmedbattletoaster8596
@fullyarmedbattletoaster8596 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's a jump cut to the intercept burn
@cyborghobo9717
@cyborghobo9717 3 жыл бұрын
Hydrogen emission spectrum gets intensive in red area . The exhaust plume had to be pink .
@bennymutant
@bennymutant 3 жыл бұрын
I totally think this is the best show on TV! I loved the camera swivel to reveal the C-5 Shuttle Carrier launching Pathfinder sequence! But does anyone else think the Pathfinder crew cabin itself looked so cheap and poorly done?
@ItsMrGoatAgain
@ItsMrGoatAgain 3 жыл бұрын
Very unrealistic, Everyone would be going absolutely nuts in the control/firing room XD
@lightbox8019
@lightbox8019 3 жыл бұрын
In the show, the military is overseeing this mission and the main control room has no idea what is happening.
@ItsMrGoatAgain
@ItsMrGoatAgain 3 жыл бұрын
@@lightbox8019 fuuuck really? That’s shitty. I need to watch it. Would an absolute space nerd love it?
@JasonandaCamera
@JasonandaCamera 3 жыл бұрын
@@ItsMrGoatAgain My man..... WATCH THE SHOW. It's so damn good. This is just one of many awesome scenes that will make you completely nerd out :D great characters and story, awesome special effects. It's my favorite show at the moment
@WhiskeyZF
@WhiskeyZF 3 жыл бұрын
@@ItsMrGoatAgain it’s basically a love letter to the space race era or to any fan of NASA. Would recommend
@Rabarbarzynca
@Rabarbarzynca 3 жыл бұрын
@@ItsMrGoatAgain Find a clip with Sea Dragon launch that is the post credits scene at the end of Season 1. Like mentioned before - it’s a love letter to the space program through and through.
@a6am3mn0n
@a6am3mn0n Жыл бұрын
You can tell the newer vs the later episodes of this show because Margot's hair style follows the "inverse Hair Rule" of time passage in media.
@fireglo450music
@fireglo450music 2 жыл бұрын
Wondering...in this timeline did they figure out how to make Blue LEDs sooner than the 90s? The control panels have a lot of blue lighting and numbering, but is it necessarily LEDs or maybe VFDs?
@SkylineGTRFreak
@SkylineGTRFreak 3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone what the Music during the launch of Pathfinder is? Can't find it on the original Soundtrack
@bigtime69420
@bigtime69420 2 жыл бұрын
In the least pathetic, doomer way I can put it, this show depresses the HELL out of me. NASA originally had plans to go to mars by 1981 in our universe. I get so bummed out watching this show because it hurts so much knowing we could’ve had this world , I could’ve been born into a multi planetary society. Just like Gordo said in the pilot, I truly believe if the world was able to see what humanity could achieve when we put our differences aside, the world would be a much happier, peaceful place. But instead in our timeline we didn’t put our differences aside and we gave all the budget to the military and corporation bail outs. This show is so good it’s just every episode reminds me how shitty the real world is. I try to stay optimistic but god damn, what could’ve been. I hope season 4 takes us to the 2020s or at least 2010, I can’t wait to see what that looks like.
@thespiritstingray9359
@thespiritstingray9359 2 жыл бұрын
Season 4 will take us to the early 2000s but I also agree, I would have loved for us to invest way more in space and science
@Walevolence
@Walevolence 11 ай бұрын
I do not want to live in my current timeline anymore, can I jump over to that timeline?
@grabthecrucifixband4203
@grabthecrucifixband4203 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that a sperm whale is louder than any sound on earth. Yes that includes lighting, volcanos, and space shuttles.
@emberthecatgirl8796
@emberthecatgirl8796 3 жыл бұрын
FR?
@grabthecrucifixband4203
@grabthecrucifixband4203 3 жыл бұрын
@@emberthecatgirl8796 A nuclear explosion, astroid impact, and earthquakes are louder but that’s a given. A sperm whale click I believe the males are the loudest is : 230DB
@madsfrederiktoft5808
@madsfrederiktoft5808 3 жыл бұрын
They need start the nerva engine project again.
@Sovereign01
@Sovereign01 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Lockheed proposed a twin body C-5 as a Shuttle Carrier Aircraft to counter the Conroy Virtus, but the design was turned down in favour of the Boeing 747.
@Atomsk102
@Atomsk102 3 жыл бұрын
FRED!!!! As a former C5 mechanic that callsign made my day.
@catthecommentbothunter6890
@catthecommentbothunter6890 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact:the sea dragon the rocket that was launched at sea is actually a real designed but never flown
@stephenhumble7627
@stephenhumble7627 2 жыл бұрын
It was never built and it would probably not have worked even if it had been - would have had all kinds of engine problems.
@idem0david
@idem0david Жыл бұрын
Engine cut off after 5, 4, 3, 2, 1… Engine cut off. Next scenes: engine still on 😂
@lentan5475
@lentan5475 3 жыл бұрын
The tail of C-5 is not modified which means the pathfinder may collide with the tail and both two of them could crash. I believe the H shape tail on An-225 is better for launch.
@GregInTokyo
@GregInTokyo 3 жыл бұрын
The drop test and shuttle-ferrying 747s had additional vertical stabilizers (tails) on the edges of the rear wings but this is primarily for improved stability. Releasing mated craft in flight like this is not new and is well understood. Chances of a tail being ripped off were negligible.
@tyupk7350
@tyupk7350 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks len tan for the sunday couch engineer worth as much as 2c. Have you also found how to cure cancer since everything is so clear cut?
@kevinomahoney
@kevinomahoney 3 жыл бұрын
Yup.
@tarik158
@tarik158 2 жыл бұрын
It's a minor thing, but the voice of the launch announcer just sounds so "official". LOL
@slimj091
@slimj091 3 жыл бұрын
The exhaust for the sea dragon is still wrong. And after the pathfinder reaches it's targeted orbit the main engine should have shut down.
@DavidKnowles0
@DavidKnowles0 3 жыл бұрын
That the advantage of nuclear, it can continue to accelerate for longer, gaining faster speed that chemical engines.
@snacklesskerbal
@snacklesskerbal 3 жыл бұрын
theres alot wrong with this show, like the shuttle in lunar orbit lmao
@u1zha
@u1zha 3 жыл бұрын
@@DavidKnowles0 Noone denied that. The comment is referring to discontinuity in the script, where they say that the engine was cut off, and that they were in orbit, and that the next burn was coming up in 19 minutes.
@veritateseducational217
@veritateseducational217 3 жыл бұрын
@@snacklesskerbal The show creates a mix between science and drama. If you only want science or you only want drama, you won’t like the show.
@slimj091
@slimj091 3 жыл бұрын
@@veritateseducational217 There is nothing dramatic about ground control saying "main engine cutoff", and then showing the main engine still firing in the next scene.
@harry258
@harry258 2 ай бұрын
This is very much like a space plane rather than the shuttle, the expansion of the wings to gain as much lift as possible is genius, as an engineer, I can’t see why this isn’t possible
@soumyojitpal3399
@soumyojitpal3399 3 жыл бұрын
More clips please yessss!
@GrapeFlavoredAntifreeze
@GrapeFlavoredAntifreeze Жыл бұрын
Anyone else notice they didn’t even bother with the parking lot of JSC lmao
@ryanrising2237
@ryanrising2237 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm, high enough TWR on a NERVA to essentially SSTO? Haven’t heard of that one before.
@brianorca
@brianorca 3 жыл бұрын
26 tons thrust, so not great TWR, but I think that's why they used the carrier aircraft here. They should be able to use a longer burn to gain the speed they need, with aerodynamic lift for the first phase of flight.
@tejanb.s1218
@tejanb.s1218 3 жыл бұрын
What is TWR and NERVA?
@tankmodeler
@tankmodeler 3 жыл бұрын
Not even close to enough thrust. 52,000 lb of thrust on a craft that large, with wings that thick, would maybe break Mach 1. But there's no way to push that shape to hypersonic, much less orbital speeds. Utter rubbish.
@JayVal90
@JayVal90 3 жыл бұрын
There were other derivatives of NERVA with much higher thrust.
@ebkesq72
@ebkesq72 3 жыл бұрын
@@starmanxvi More than just a concept. When Nixon yanked funding for NERVA in 1973, the technology was basically flight ready. All the major problems had been solved. The SI of that last version of NERVA (forgot its exact codename) was around 900 seconds and with that efficiency (2-3x typical hyperbolic engines) it of course given the appropriate volume of liquid hydrogen would have been able to generate enough thrust to get to LEO, the moon, Mars, etc.
@ConnorAustin
@ConnorAustin 2 жыл бұрын
I just noticed that the tiles around pathfinders widows say ov-201 I love detail in this show
@superkartoffel7479
@superkartoffel7479 3 жыл бұрын
I bet we're gonna see this thing go to Mars in Season 3
@Radialguy
@Radialguy 3 жыл бұрын
No in show they said the engines will help us to get to mars not pathfinder, and landing plane on mars is absurd because atmospheric pressure is so low wings wouldn't even matter.
@superkartoffel7479
@superkartoffel7479 3 жыл бұрын
@@Radialguy Well, I didn't say anything about LANDING pathfinder. I think that maybe they're gonna send a separate lander to Mars. Which then docks with pathfinder and transfers the crew to the surface. But who knows maybe Pathfinder will already be outdated by 1995.
@delcox8165
@delcox8165 2 жыл бұрын
3:47 Uhhh wait, what? They said "engine cut-off" for Pathfinder at 3:15, so why is the main engine still burning?
@thespiritstingray9359
@thespiritstingray9359 2 жыл бұрын
Probably an animation issue or they got lazy
@bdp7590
@bdp7590 2 жыл бұрын
Probably those two engines next to the NERVA
@thespiritstingray9359
@thespiritstingray9359 2 жыл бұрын
@@bdp7590 doubt it. They said "main engine cutoff" and the main engine is the nuclear engine
@ultralaggerREV1
@ultralaggerREV1 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine that SpaceX still gets founded and SpaceX literally builds a city in Mars no earlier than 2015 IRL SpaceX managed to land a rocket booster. Here, a city by them
@calder9157
@calder9157 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if private companies will make an appearance in future seasons
@privatepile772
@privatepile772 3 жыл бұрын
@@calder9157 I swear in one of the episodes Ellen talks about private companies . Might be foreshadowing something lol
@Rox7819
@Rox7819 3 жыл бұрын
Ellen = Elon in this timeline
@thepuncakian2024
@thepuncakian2024 11 ай бұрын
Fun fact, "Fred" isn't someone's name, it's an acronym that stands for "Fucking Ridiculous Economic Disaster", a notorious nickname for the C5 Galaxy. Very cool how they used some air force slang.
@randycampbell6307
@randycampbell6307 3 жыл бұрын
So many issues with this concept. Not that I don't love me some NERVA action but frankly the crew is dead the minute they light it up due to backscattered radiation from the surrounding atmosphere and all the 'parts' of the vehicle outside the shielding arc. I also have issues with the 'separation' considering how fast that "shuttle" would be falling given the mass involved with no propulsion system till the NERVA lights.
@guspaz
@guspaz 3 жыл бұрын
Enterprise was drop-tested in an identical fashion, and it didn't have any engines at all.
@randycampbell6307
@randycampbell6307 3 жыл бұрын
@@guspaz Enterprise dropped like a rock on separation and the 747 had to radically maneuver at a high angle down-and away to clear the flight path which the C5 doesn't do. This is also carrying tons off liquid hydrogen propellant AND a very heavy NERVA engine so it will drop even faster.
@guspaz
@guspaz 3 жыл бұрын
@@randycampbell6307 It didn't, you can watch footage of the separation from a test flight online (kzbin.info/www/bejne/rF68f5atmJaNg6c at around 4:30). The 747 doesn't maneuver at all beyond a very slight turn of the nose down that's too small to see, the shuttle's high angle of attack carries it up and away from the aircraft smoothly.
@randycampbell6307
@randycampbell6307 3 жыл бұрын
@@guspaz The 747 continues to dive away and turn BUT take into account that's with the tail cone on and therefore a rather 'low-drag' configuration. (Enterprise also lacked a significant number of on-board systems the actual shuttle orbiter required and was not fully 'flight weight' in configuration) A better example is here (kzbin.info/www/bejne/laSmga17j8Z0bqs) which shows how the 747 has to maneuver to clear the flight path without the engine cone and keep in mind this mass's a LOT less than the full Orbiter let alone one with massive LH2 tanks (and propellant) and that NERVA.
@Joesolo13
@Joesolo13 3 жыл бұрын
@@randycampbell6307 did you not see the jet engines on pathfinder?
@Astro95Media
@Astro95Media 2 жыл бұрын
3:38: "M-E-C confirmed" (It's MECO ... "Mee-Koh" ... Main Engine Cutoff) 3:46: Main engine still cheerily humming away. Mover would like a word.
@bdp7590
@bdp7590 2 жыл бұрын
i mean, they were probably reffering to the two engines next to the NERVA (not the jet engines above it), where the NERVA would be probably called NERVA.
@Astro95Media
@Astro95Media 2 жыл бұрын
@@bdp7590 Maybe. Just pointing out what I know about the shuttle :)
@IamtheDoctor94
@IamtheDoctor94 3 жыл бұрын
I am also sure that most space fans got the Easter egg in this episode
@SpottedHares
@SpottedHares 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if they are using a more advance version of the Kiwi reactor for the space shuttle?
@thespiritstingray9359
@thespiritstingray9359 2 жыл бұрын
The Kiwi reactors were test units for the NERVA program and were never meant to fly (hence the name KIWI, a flightless bird). The engine here is a fully functional nuclear thermal engine which was produced as a result of the NERVA program which was continued in the for all mankind universe instead of being cancelled like in ours
@Wyrmshadow
@Wyrmshadow 3 жыл бұрын
Those are SABRE engines on the side aren't they?
@米空軍パイロット
@米空軍パイロット 3 жыл бұрын
Probably just ramjets.
@Wyrmshadow
@Wyrmshadow 3 жыл бұрын
@@米空軍パイロット too many exhaust ports. Most likely a SABRE.
@米空軍パイロット
@米空軍パイロット 3 жыл бұрын
@@Wyrmshadow Good eye. Didn't notice that outer ring of thrusters.
@ShadowIsatis
@ShadowIsatis Жыл бұрын
What's the name of the background song where the pathfinder engages its nuclear drive?
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