Cubase 13: Review / Overview

[@ipoponq]

Idk, I wanna upgrade, but Cubase 12 looks so much pleasant. If I show someone which do you think is a newer GUI, most people will definitely say the ver 12 is the updated one.

[@musictechtuition]

I don't think you're alone in that opinion. I like the way the mixer racks work in C13, but on looks, I would agree - 12 looks more polished (mixer racks aside which I never liked the look of!).

[@machineagevoodoo2106]

hard disagree on that one

[@KGTv123]

Wow by far the best video explaining this. They make it seem so simple and leave out so much information in their explanation videos. Thank you for this!

[@machineagevoodoo2106]

one small thing that is really appreciated by many (I think) is that scrolling with the mousewheel now in the mixer section does not start to change parameters that you happen to be hovering over - finally! all other features big and small are extremely welcome by me as well. great job to them

[@martynwebb07]

Amazing. Glad I wrote to them pushing for this (as well as many others no doubt), including giving them a link to a forum that had been going for over with people screaming for this feature. This is worth the update alone in my opinion. Thanks for letting us know!

[@EyesOfTruthmusic]

I thought it’s not fixed? According to the thread from years ago lol.

[@MrJinusean90]

Thank you. I work 25 years with cubase yet. i think pro tools has the best look. I wish we can change the look of cubase with something like themes or so. They can sell different styles like on a smarphone ;-)

[@JamesLloydKeyboardist]

I agree. I remember getting themes for logic and it was really cool having not only different colors but different looks. 🎹

[@benonemusic]

Thanks for the great overview of the new version! I am not only the kind of person who buys every Cubase release; I'm also a person who buys every new version of your book, which is always highly useful!

[@peterjames2617]

nice clear, honest and useful review without all the high speed marketing glitz and spin. Many thanks. I am now subscribed to you as well. Cheers.

[@musictechtuition]

Thanks very much!

[@mrjohnwilkesbooth]

*All Pro versions should include the full version of GROOVE AGENT 5*

[@machineagevoodoo2106]

what is the main thing that SE doesn't provide you in your opinion?

[@mrjohnwilkesbooth]

@@machineagevoodoo2106 *'note repeat'* And many features that are commonly found in drum samplers like an mpc/maschine. GA-se is basically a drum sample playback vst. It is not a true production VST. The full version allows you to be able to produce fully as a stand-alone without ever having to use Cubase. The difference between the SE vs full version is vast. Yet, Logic's Drum Designer, which comes with Logic offers these features. I bn a Cubase/Nuendo user when before GA & Halion were adapted. I remember when Halion first came out. Halion, was supposed to be the rival of a new sampler (ni Kontakt), But Kontakt blew up & Halion went downhill ever since!! Halion (full version) is great, but it never caught on like Steinberg hoped. Kontakt Rules!!! So now, Steinberg plays games by stripping features of their vst's to milk the cash cow. It's ridiculous, because when they released these vst's in Cubase, they were standard. They lost the VST Wars to Native Instruments. Native Instruments was a very small company when Kontakt was released. Now, they have Hardware (maschine). You can actually buy a small maschine hardware for the same price that Cubase is charging for their software GA-5. YES!! You can even buy it at a lower price (used)💥💥 and use it in Cubase as a Controller. If Steinberg wants to catch up, then they have to include the full version of their vst's in Cubase Pro. And maybe, this will appeal to future producers who use & favor Ableton/FL Studio bc these companies understand the dynamics of DAW Producers. This is why these companies are ahead of Steinberg imho.

[@jenslempke7501]

@@machineagevoodoo21064 seperate multitimbral agents and deconstruction for example 😊. I got the full version and don't regret it.

[@JamesLloydKeyboardist]

Agreed 🎹

[@JamesLloydKeyboardist]

Guess I won’t complain about this one much since I always use maschine expansions for my drums, not the actual maschine, just the expansions. 🎹

[@therantingboy]

To record a vst as audio, you were able to do in 12 by routing the vst to a group channel. Then you can add an audio track and set that group channel as an input.

[@Byron101_]

most Cubase users wants better workflow improvements over new features. C13 is full of great improvements, I must say. I really like it.

[@musictechtuition]

Yeah, there are a lot of little things that are improved, and I find going back to 12 is difficult as I use them a lot and miss them when they're not there.

[@danielayotalks]

It's the vertical zoom via the mousewheel for me!

[@pauld956]

Thanks for your review! I enjoyed your Cubase 12 book.

[@susannahwinter9333]

I bought your book. Just started with Cubase and since you usually have to gather all the information from a variety of KZbin - Videos (and a lot of times not finding exactly what you need) plus the Steinberg-Pages themselves not being very helpful, I appreciate your effort to write it very much. Thx a lot :)

[@musictechtuition]

Thanks for buying the book, and for your comment! Hope the book and the videos get you where you need to be!

[@BenCaesar]

Wasnt that excited for this update, especially compared to FL studios new Ai stem separator updates. But seeing these features its clear the intention is to strengthen the foundation , which I actually respect. A relatively modest upgrade but quality of life thinking

[@musictechtuition]

Absolutely. Hopefully the UI will mature and start to look better. A lot of the changes have made it quicker to work, which really is the point of improvements in many cases for me.

[@buzzfunk]

Steinberg has been working on its foundation since forever. Nothing innovate about 13. It would have made much more sense to fix 12 instead. But not steinberg. i need to pay for yet another GUI change. No thanks.

[@geoffvalenti]

Thanks Darren. Very informative as usual. I'm just about to upgrade so I'm looking forward to trying it all out.

[@Sol-In-Seoul]

“Lack of consistency” is exactly the right way of putting the design problem.

[@granbyplungar2929]

Model of clarity. Thanks so much.

[@profdraper]

Presently trialling the Demo. Quite similar here - apart from thre common complaints abur plugin compatibility, UI redesign etc - stability is a very mixed bag in my experience & also hard to track down. Is not consistent & same project may load or crash and FWIW, in trying to change the sample rate. On macos Sonoma 14.2 or Monterey 12.7.2. One thing that helped me a little - installing and auto-importing C12 prefs is a dog’s breakfast. I got closer to better behaviour in ditching those prefs and building C13 prefs from scratch (if a little lengthy & boring). Still, the sudden hang can be still there - variously: opening a previously saved C13 project, or importing a C12 project.or importing a Nuendo 12 project. I guess one of the upsides is that there is a two month window on the 13.0.02 demo, however time-wasing. Perhpas it migth settle down but so far, no. Another update I suspect. MacPro 7,1, 16 core, 192GB, MacOS 14.2, Vega II Duo. Apollo x8, UAD-2, Antelope Pure 2, Antelope Orion 32+. RAID-4 Thunderbay 6, RAID-0 Sonnet M.2 4x4.

[@davidgriffiths3425]

...and I thought the country was at a low point after the past 13 years, now we're looking at an overwhelming wave of mouse redundancy :( Incredibly useful as always Darren - thanks very much.

[@musictechtuition]

That's actually made me laugh out loud! Will no-one think of the mice!!

[@celthyan-music1118]

Do you know if it's possible to display different colors in the multiple midi editing tab? Only to have the underline below the isntrument name in the inspector is not convenient, while having the tracks colors displayed on the piano roll would be a time saver. Great video and thank you for the review!

[@musictechtuition]

If you set the colourisation (in the MIDI editor) to "part" rather than the default of Velocity then it will do that (providing, of course, that your parts are colourised differently to each other!).

[@micdonnelly7399]

Thank you Sir, for what you do. I bought the book! Thanks again, Mic.

[@musictechtuition]

And thank you for buying the book! I hope you find it useful.

[@xsessivmc]

20:50 how are you holding the chord down and pressing the right cursor key on the keyboard at the same time? Would we need a sustain pedal to do this? Great video thanks :)

[@musictechtuition]

The chord is being played on my MIDI keyboard (off-screen), and then I'm pressing the cursor key on my mac keyboard with my other hand, so you don't need a sustain pedal to do this. And thank you!

[@uselessoldman7964]

There is only one but one very significant added feature which is not for now but will be relevant in the years to come, Midi2. Assuming I actually live long enough to need it, new hardware supporting Midi2 will mean I will need then to upgrade. For now, v12 will do me just fine.

[@jmac2050]

Nice update, but would be great if we could get, instant audition of presets sounds like in Komplete Kontrol.. Loading sounds in Halion is too slow, killing the workflow.

[@musictechtuition]

Absolutely. I have to say the 'improvements' in Halion Sonic (7) for the media bay are anything but in my opinion. A really backwards step for me.

[@beatkellermusic]

Hey there, is it possible to get rid of the scrollbars in the mixer and project window?

[@musictechtuition]

Not that I'm aware of, no...

[@HOBBITSODYSSEY]

I didn't see anything that makes me want to upgrade from CB12 Pro. Ill see what CB14 brings.

[@musictechtuition]

Fair enough! Hopefully I helped give you the info to make that decision.

[@HOBBITSODYSSEY]

@@musictechtuition You did, thank you for the videos, really appreciated, regarding the updates I only seen 1 thing I might use, £85 for this update would only make me feel lost, I didnt see Retrospective Recording in the usual place, was it moved? Kind regards.

[@musictechtuition]

@@HOBBITSODYSSEY Thanks. Retrospective record is still where it was before, so it's unchanged as far as I'm aware.

[@jamezmonroe]

Funnily enough, I bought the Cubase 12 when it was released but still didn't have a chance to use it yet as I've been over-busy with the projects uploaded into the Cubase 9. Does the 13th version differ a lot from the 12th one? Is it, at least, updatable/upgradeable??

[@musictechtuition]

There are no 'killer' big features in 13 compared to 12, in my opinion. The appearance change is probably the biggest thing, but there's nothing which is the 'blockbuster' lead feature as has been seen in previous editions. If you've not activated your C12, you may get a free upgrade to 13, but I'm not 100% on that.

[@skeletonmodel]

The audio routing is a god sent to me. If you have a drumrack like BFD, it was not possible to simply make an audiotrack of all the seperate tracks. This saves a lot of bouncing

[@musictechtuition]

Absolutely. I'm sure for anyone with this workflow that this is the killer feature, even if it seems like a small one.

[@reeceakana1322]

As someone who uses Cubase 8, do you guys think it's worth it for me to upgrade? I know 12 to 13 doesn't seem to have too much to offer but what about from 8 to 13?

[@musictechtuition]

I'd suggest going back over the videos for each release. There will be plenty of new features both large and small which may interest you (audio alignment springs to mind) and a LOT of content (particularly with Cubase 10-12), so have a look here for my overview videos of each release, plus there were videos for each feature if you want a deeper dive. The main thing is that every user is different, so a "wow" feature to some will be "meh" to others. I loved it when automation curves were added as it literally saved me an hour or two a week - but it's a tiny thing to other people. Anyway, here are the videos: Cubase 9 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIucmKKqd6yBpMU Cubase 9.5 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/oai7iXinpciUkLs Cubase 10 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5W9f4yIbN1lbM0 Cubase 11 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHmlfWWvjLackKs Cubase 12 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4a0Znd-bNSgqck

[@PDAdkin]

Thanks for a great first look. May I add that the Track Inspector in 13 has lost its colorising option, which I found very useful. Without it, colorising tracks in 13 has so far been a bit of hit and miss test I'm afraid.

[@musictechtuition]

Yes, you now have to colourize a track by making sure there's nothing selected in the project window, and then selecting the track/s you want to colourise, and then picking a colour from the palette. I agree the old method was clearer. There were a number of missing features in the new inspector initially (prior to release), which have been added back in, so hopefully this will too.

[@dezem7]

Bitwig looks refreshing clean in comparison(not harsh on the eye) Like a grown up version of Ableton Live.. Cubase looks very busy/noisey/high contrast and overwelmingly technical. The Ui scaling seems ok though. Each to their own i guess.

[@ppadru1]

what is your color template? it's so vibrant

[@musictechtuition]

The colours on screen are mostly from the Cubase 12 demo song which I used for a couple of reasons as the basis for it. Certainly pretty bright, I suspect the creator may (like me) have colour vision issues. For more, have a look here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4erhKtjp9t2pMk

[@Harrysound]

Great video, I got some real ideas to use int he future. Many of my past problem are being addressed with this version. Iconic is really great too. If you were just starting out from zero. Then Cubase elements would be amazing value.

[@TheDarrenJones]

Glad you found it useful! I really like Iconic for what it is - compared to basic GM sounds, etc., it's light-years ahead. And it's included with Elements, which for £85 seems really good value to me. I know there are people saying "it's not a pro library" or "people will have better", but I don't think that applies to everyone. I would have KILLED for those sounds a few years ago. Ok, a decade ago... I'm getting old!

[@Harrysound]

@@TheDarrenJonesI have Cinematic studio strings and all the stuff you get with Komplete collectors edition and also BBCSO from spitfire. I think the sound of Iconica is better than BBCSO. the end result is a much bigger and “together” sounding library……IMO

[@nukenoly8751]

Does C13 support the Houston controller? I own 3😊 Also the new GUI is ugly. Love C12

[@rabarebra]

@@nukenoly8751 Steinberg has hired some pride-people it seems 🌈

[@davidharrington1133]

It's amazing that MIDI 1.0 has been the active version since the early 1980s

[@musictechtuition]

It's a testament to the forward thought of the original designers of it that it's not only still here, but proving difficult to depose from the crown!

[@davidharrington1133]

True dat😂

[@Avramov90]

LOVE YOU VIDEOS

[@TheGamingOctopus369]

Thank you for your content.

[@MeAndTheBoys_]

Holy crap, Cubase has some serious catching up to do. Only in 2023 does Cubase FINALLY have a mono/stereo switch possibility? Damn, Steinberg has dropped the ball big time. Wow, am i even more happy with Reaper now. I can drop anything on a track, be it audio, mono, stereo, video, or even jpeg....it all works the same. Also, i can mono a stereo source, with a turn of a knob, on every channel. The thing that pushed me away from Cubase years ago was the archaic audio routing system. In Reaper, i can route anything pretty much anywhere, right there in the mixer. It's very rarely that i even open audio settings anymore, i can just work with the music instead, no need to solve technical issues, like it was with Cubase. To each their own, but damn, Cubase is lacking! Cubase was the best at one point, i loved the program. This video is like watching your old lover becoming a hobo. It stings.

[@musictechtuition]

I agree - there's a lot missing in terms of audio routing and facilities, and some of it seems to be straightforward to add (such as phase reverse on FX sends which would open up techniques that aren't available otherwise). I've tried using Reaper a few times but can't get into it, but that's my fault, not reaper's!

[@groovedealerfeaturing-ashl6476]

Thanks Darren, Seems like a reasonably sensible update! I'm a miserable old British git too so agree with much of what you have to say. I'm not going to update straight away as i got fed up with effectively paying to be a beta tester, i'll wait 'til around Easter time next year when most of the bugs have been sorted and it's on sale, like i do for every version now. 😉

[@musictechtuition]

That sounds like a good plan to me... it's enough being an unpaid Beta tester, let alone paying for the privilege. There are still lots of bugs which will hopefully be fixed for the .20 release.

[@groovedealerfeaturing-ashl6476]

@@musictechtuition Learned that the hard way mate! Now i'd rather focus on making music.

[@itsthat8496]

Weird my midi editor window looks the same but no step editor button! Why?

[@musictechtuition]

@itsthat8496 Window setup in the editor - it's turned off by default in many cases. RIght-click on spare space in the top section of the editor and a pop-up window should appear, where you can select "Step/MIDI Input".

[@richardjameswinter7642]

Midi Editor, top right where it says velocity, you can change the colours of the notes. Was always there. Much easier then.

[@MyFeltMusic]

Cubase 13 is a very slick upgrade. The GUI is much better and the MIDI range tool and multi part editing are huge upgrades for composers and producers.

[@arcadestudio]

Very nice. Thank You.

[@ettiennelane9173]

Amazing. Does anyone know if Steinberg fixed Automatic Quantize which only quantize 100% (very few instruments should ever be quantized at 100%). The logical thing would be to link AQ to soft quantize as well. I am aware of all the other options: midi insert percentage quantize, logical editor note position and quantizing with soft quantize after recording. All of these have its place, but AQ linked to Soft Quantize would be the quickest workflow option in my opinion. Always moving forward with less distractions.

[@musictechtuition]

AQ still only does 100% quantization, and that's a great point you make - I think it should follow the currently-set quantization, including that. I guess there's a technical reason that it doesn't... but that's not the point.

[@ettiennelane9173]

@@musictechtuition Thank you for your reply. At the moment I found it best to record a whole midi track and then just apply a soft quantize of 50 to 70 % to it. AQ is not a deal breaker. Hopefully Steinberg will change AQ one day.

[@izsvemira]

I wonder if configuration is transferable? Like keep my shortcuts, views, colors...

[@musictechtuition]

When you install 13, it will copy everything over, yes.

[@izsvemira]

@@musictechtuition oh, so no need to transfer that config folder, or any particular file? It'll just apply my settings? Sorry for bothering you about things I'll probably find out tomorrow when I install it

[@musictechtuition]

@@izsvemiraNo, no need, whenever you install a new version it looks for the old preferences the first time it runs and carries them over. Not bothering me - there will be other people wondering the same thing who may read this and find it useful!

[@izsvemira]

@@musictechtuition man, you're such a sweetheart, thank you so much

[@musictechtuition]

@@izsvemira Not often I get called that!

[@jasonsykes7725]

thanks very much

[@swanjaymusic]

I always upgrade to the new version of every thing lmao.... I love to work with inprovements compared to the same old same old....

[@juliancroot]

The mixer GUI make me want to keep v12. Equally i don't think there's anything here I really need.... The range control in the MIDI editor is about the most appealing new feature, but I'm not going to pay a wedge to get it. Also most of the workflow upgrades I've already got round with shortcuts triggered by a streamdeck, for example the step input cursor can be repositioned this way. But that GUI on the mixer looks awful. Sorry Steinberg, you're not having my money this year.

[@musictechtuition]

Please put this opinion forward on the Steinberg site - I think it's important that this view is represented as I don't think you're in a small minority!

[@musicsynctank]

Nice un-biased review. I agree, icons are a pet hate of mine in all software. Who knows what they are sometimes... I left cubase a couple of years ago after being with it since the Atari days, and now use studio one. A lot of the new workflow cubase features are already in studio one, it seems. The main reason I stopped using cubase is the needless bloated options and morbid dark menus. Also, since sx3 cubase started to look like a toy. Weird curvy graphics. Seems ilke they're sorting that out a bit now

[@musictechtuition]

It seems a LOT of people are using Studio One (and indeed the appearance and workflow came up in beta testing discussions of C13 a number of times). When I get time I'm going to check it out more fully as I've not really used it since V1 when free was a thing.

[@musicsynctank]

Studio one is fairly straightforward if you're already familiar with Cubase, as you probably know. I got a cross-grade price for version 3 and never really looked back. I actually have Cubase 11 running for opening old projects, but my 2010 mac won't run v12 onwards anyway! You can't set a shortcut key for entering the value of the left locator in Studio One, (which should be simple enough) and I don't like the midi modifiers (like velocity) for tracks being percentages instead of absolute limits, but apart from those 2 things, I love it. Subscribed. Thanks

[@musictechtuition]

@@musicsynctank Thanks Gary. I too have a 2011 mac (and a 2012). Actually upgraded it to monterey via Open Core Legacy Patcher to allow me to install Monterey and run Cubase 13 on it (as I took it away with me when I was away in the summer and was dabbling with Cubase 13 for book reasons). The machine actually runs OK with Monterey (which was a surprise!). Odd about the left locator in S1 - I'll keep that in mind before I pull my hair out looking for it!

[@simonyates8683]

but what is missing ....vst2 ?? anything else ??? this seems more like 12.5

[@musictechtuition]

VST2 is only missing if you're on macOS and using Cubase in Native (Apple Silicon) mode on an M-series mac. There have been plenty of comments along the 12.5 lines, so you're certainly not alone in that opinion.

[@simonyates8683]

thanks for great video ...ive been a steinberg user since approx 89 .... if im honest i feel trapped within it as i cant simply export my tracks to another daw

[@musictechtuition]

@@simonyates8683 When you say 'export tracks' do you mean exporting audio stems, or the entire project with all settings as is (so you could take up editing from where you were)? If it's the former, you can do that... if it's the latter, alas not!

[@alain_de_frothcorn]

All looks very interesting but after moving to Nuendo I'm going to have to be patient 😕

[@musictechtuition]

Rumour was that they would be released at the same time...I guess not... but I don't think you'll be waiting forever.

[@alain_de_frothcorn]

@musictechtuition hope you are right. Patience is not one of my virtues 🙃

[@lX-NDR]

they took multiple stuff form ableton and some steps from bitwig and logic and ableton and bitwig do somuch cool stuff then the traditional stuff cubase does.

[@djRoyalTee]

Wow, a non biased review.. REFRESHING!!

[@musictechtuition]

Well... TBH while I am a beta tester, I'm not interested in being another yes man, so I always share what I actually think. I'm not paid by anyone other than my clients and people who buy my books, so I'll stay free and independent. 👍

[@mirr1984]

To be honest, everyone thinks their DAW doesn't look as good as the others. It's likely because you've been using it for a long time, so its visually familiar to the point of blandness.

[@Doty6String]

agree on the GUI and the timeline is worse, if teh timeline looked like pro tools holey moley

[@martynwebb07]

They have got rid of the wrapper window too!

[@musictechtuition]

They have... but I'm still having issues with there being two modes of the project window - sometimes I need to change to a different application and then come back for normal service to be resumed...

[@sunshiputube]

Lol, that moan wasn't really much of a moan compared to the older version Cubase moans.

[@musictechtuition]

I'm getting mellow in my old age. Plus I cut about 10 minutes out of that section.

[@buckycore]

So, to be clear: KORG just released a Midi controller that uses midi 2.0, and is deeply integrated with Abelton, but still integrates nicely with Cubase and other top DAWS. Beyond that, i find these new fratures almost a rip-off as far as the need to pay for an upgrade is conserned. These are littlerally what other DAWS would offer in like...a .2 free update for current users. These arent even .5 upgrades. So...no thanks. The only two features i would find usful is the note bitch bending incriments (as i find it awful in Cubase. Studio one is way easier, and Bitwig is the best of the best as it's an a pure MPE sex machine) and then the cool sounding Symphony library. The switching between mono and stereo method is cool, but that was never an issue for me. I'm fine with the Media pool method for now. No, what i want is a way, way better arranger track (as it makes no proper sense. You cant move the actual parts around with it. Its not intuitive), having Folder tracks serve as bus tracks and can show/hide channels in the mixer like with the arrangement tracks (consult Reaper, Studio one and Bitwig for all that) a much more feature rich piano roll (consult FL studio) and some sort of non-linear Clip Launcher (that you can hide so all the cantankerous old men out there don't feel like it's being impossd on them) i would pay twice the going upgrade price for that. But with all that said, in my recent migration from Studio one to Cubase, i love Cubase way more for how detailed it is with the features, for the stability and rendering time when exporting Mixes. Bigwig (along side Abelton and FL studio) are more about experemnting with electronic forms of music. Eswpcially with Bitwig, as its whole concept is the grid and making unique synths and FX nearly from acratch (tho you have a bounty of Presets and plays smoothly with 3rd party plugins of course). So i still use those in parallel with the traditional daws.

[@adamregan4921]

Yeah the one new feature that stands out for me is the switching from mono to stereo. Think i'll stick with 12 pro for the moment though.

[@goldiemusic8394]

I can't understand why everyone keeps on changing stuff.

[@nico5]

I have to admit, I gave up watching already during the discussion of the Inspector. It was already configurable in Cubase 12 and the changes are relatively minor and visual. This video seems to imply those are new features.

[@musictechtuition]

The configuration of the inspector is quite different to 12 and earlier - as is some of its behaviour and arrangement of what's present. There aren't any new inspector features as such, and it wasn't my intention to imply that.

[@rollotomassi3984]

Perhaps a lil disappointing overall…..the mixer definitely needs vu metering also it appears compression metering is not instantiated unless using a Cubase compressor….re vu meters they could be an option to replace track pics and so you could choose to use either or none…..the sampler is ways off being useful

[@rollotomassi3984]

But the breakdown of the items very interesting to both watch and enjoy the tutorial.

[@soneomusic7560]

I'm from the second camp of people 😂

[@edwardnixon1782]

Moan on! Thanks for this.

[@Wourghk]

It's amazing that despite all the improvements to MIDI editing, you still can't just make a selection and arbitrarily scale both the start and end times of notes for e.g. time dilation without using the tempo track or some tedious time warp tool. It's such a simple feature that's always been in other ancient DAWs that's still missing in Cubase for some reason. That and parallel track freezing dependencies. You still can't properly freeze tracks with fx that take MIDI input from *other* lanes! Absolutely idiotic. The last few updates have really been a whole lot of nothing. Were it not for the improvements to UI scaling for high DPI, there'd be no reason to bother.

[@justdope1963]

Its a pretty mediocre update really. MIDI 2.0 will take a while to be useful as many won't be rushing to buy a 2.0 controller. Envelopes in sampler are nice, but the much requested modulation system still hasn't been addressed. No launcher as well of course. How many users care about a 5 gb orchestral library? Anyone using Cubase Pro will have better. Ultimately Steinberg just improved some layout stuff and added a couple new plugins, which again most Pro users have similar ones by other manufacturers anyway. It really does feel like Cubase 12.5.

[@musictechtuition]

I wouldn't disagree with most of that, aside from Iconica - I know a *lot* of schools will be really pleased at getting their hands on this. I think MIDI 2.0 will be a very slow burn, as MIDI does what most people want, and MIDI 2.0 offers some nice possibilities for non-keyboard and non-western music control, but for the vast majority of people these features will not be killer ones that make them rush out and buy a new controller.

[@auxlen]

Cubase Studio One.

[@farhanmatin74]

Cubase 13 looks like presonus studio one

[@musictechtuition]

I've had a few comments along those lines; I've not looked at S1 in over a decade (I used to teach on the free version at a school where there was no budget for music tech), but I'll revisit it soon and take a closer look.

[@jaylevzi7293]

Cubase 12.5 tbh not 13

[@mecd4167]

Meh! - Very weak update in my opinion, specially for what we're paying. Nothing game changing, nothing with a "WOW" factor.

[@danguldenzopf9510]

$99 is nothing. I’d get more out of this than I would most anything else for the same money.

[@jemandthemystery]

Way too busy. More intimidating or distracting than empowering feel.

[@musictechtuition]

This video or Cubase 13?

[@jemandthemystery]

@@musictechtuition Cubase 13 :-)

[@TheDarrenJones]

@@jemandthemystery Always like to check, just in case!

[@rabarebra]

It is silly if we Pro 12 users have to pay for this shitty update, or? How much does this Cubase "Pride" 🌈 13 cost?

[@kaleidophon]

Horrible, childish looking interface. I’ve used Cubase since the 80’s and watched Steinberg go from innovators to stagnant mediocre money grabbers. Now I use everything but.

[@musictechtuition]

I would humbly as you to voice that opinion on Steinberg's user forum. From what I'm seeing, I think that a majority of people don't like the new appearance, and I think it's important that is fed back to the developers (politely, of course!), otherwise nothing will change.

[@eyeball2eyeball]

Cubase is wants to milk all yal,studio one wana be

[@productamadeus8745]

Uh….Studio One was former Steinberg Developers. I’m not sure what the “wanna be” comment is about.

[@araavedianfilms]

Disappointing

[@nathanreddent2427]

so they added a bunch of features thats been in Logic Pro,Studio one and Reaper for years....... I bet its just as buggy as version 12,11,10 and 9. Thats why I switched to Studio one. Its stable and its not cluttered with junk everywhere.

[@sabkafather]

They just copied the look of Studio One