Cultish: Jehovah's Witnesses Pt. 1

Join us as we talk with Vada from IsHeARealOne Radio who shares some unique tactics on how to talk to Jehovah’s Witnesses using their own Bible.
While the Watchtowers “New World translation” is full of distortions, is there a way we can use it in a way to get them to question their beliefs about Jehovah?
Tune in to find out!
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[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

Sunday Lawless Church and her thousands of denominations is one of Satan's greatest masterpieces....... The Error of Dispensationalism, WE're grafted into Spiritual Israel. The Gentile Church is man made. kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4OvY5uQiNV-e6c

[@archangeljesus4369]

Jesus will never be God

[@jedimasterham2]

The problem is, Apologia Studios is part of the Calvinist cult. Walter Martin would undoubtedly call modern Calvinism a cult.

[@gustavoadolfoquinter]

Any jw tracts?

[@Gabriel19760]

I've been out of the watchtower for 2 years. I thank Jesus Christ and Apologia for this.

[@evanrojas2561]

Praise the Triune God!

[@gwenkilby]

Hallelujah!

[@MsGhost87]

Congratulations ❤️ I have family still in it & some who came out of it. Even tho I am no longer religious, I grew up Lutheran, I still believe Jesus is my savior & I pray that my loved ones eyes are open to the truth. I thank Apologia Studios for renewing my faith in God & helping me learn so much from the side projects like Cultish.

[@Dancer4evanyc]

@@gwenkilby which literally means, Praise Jehovah!

[@Myke_thehuman]

I’ve been out for…2 out so years. I don’t get why people leave and go join another religion. But long as you’re not hurting anyone or trying to force others follow your religion’s rules. Then I’m happy for you.

[@christservant7051]

I have about 12 jehovah witness family members coming to our home on the 30th of this month! They have not seen or talked to me since my new birth as a Christian in August of 2020. This could not have came at a better time! All Glory to God and thank you apologia studios!

[@testimonyofchrist6346]

How did it go??

[@Evgeniy9712]

I’m also curious

[@bratmucha]

He made 12 disciples of Christ 😂

[@SpiderDiscord]

Was raised a JW, left when I was 17'ish and was a militant atheist for over 10 years. God found me 3 years ago. Today I study theology at the university with the aim of becoming a priest.

[@Deepthoughts4ever]

Whoa. Amen!

[@dartheli7400]

A „priest“ in the Roman Catholic sense?

[@SpiderDiscord]

@@dartheli7400 Priest in a Lutheran church.

[@SpiderDiscord]

@Jack T Mostly because it's the state/cultural religion in my country. I still struggle with that since I have strong Orthodox leanings.

[@SpiderDiscord]

@Jack T Oh, sorry, should've been more clear. I meant Greek Orthodox.

[@letscarryit]

Today Just was riding my bike in my hood and seen some J dubs (Jehovah Witness) posted up in front of a Catholic Spanish restaurant. I stop and had a 1 hr and half convo with them . It went really well by the grace of God . They was really shock and stuck at the questions I shared and also showed them the Scriptures . Please 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@jpnoobieeiboonpj858]

1 year later, praying for your ministry in Jesus name. Praise God 👏

[@letscarryit]

@@jpnoobieeiboonpj858Thanks so much . I talked with two Jdubs on Yesterday . Was able to share the beautiful deity of Jesus with them and that He wasn’t a created being / god 🙏🏽

[@barbaraszemerei1595]

I love excited these Godly men get about the Bible. It’s really fun being a Christian ❤️

[@estimatingonediscoveringthree]

So refreshing to hear someone say Yeshua and they not be accused of being in a cult

[@qwerty-is3gj]

thanks, tomorrow I'm going to meet with a JW, pray for me that God uses me as his tool to spread the Gospel

[@JoeDaddyNV]

I am responding to your profile picture. Do you know what John Calvin said against those who teach the cosmology we are taught in the indoctrination school system? "The Christian is not to compromise so as to obscure the distinction between good and evil, and is to avoid the errors of those dreamers who have a spirit of bitterness and contradiction, who reprove everything and prevent the order of nature. We will see some who are so deranged, not only in religion but who in all things reveal their monstrous nature, that they will say that the sun does not move, and that it is the earth which shifts and turns. When we see such minds we must indeed confess that the devil posses them, and that God sets them before us as mirrors, in order to keep us in his fear. So it is with all who argue out of pure malice, and who happily make a show of their imprudence. When they are told: “That is hot,” they will reply: “No, it is plainly cold.” When they are shown an object that is black, they will say that it is white, or vice versa. Just like the man who said that snow is black; for although it is perceived and known by all to be white, yet he clearly wished to contradict the fact. And so it is that they are madmen who would try to change the natural order, and even to dazzle eyes and benumb their senses." - John Calvin.

[@cuppytv]

But....the earth does turn.

[@JoeDaddyNV]

@@cuppytv According to who? Is that what you believe or is that a fact? If it's a fact then can you show me how it has been tested and where it was proven that the earth moves? What if the Bible says it does NOT move? What if all tests to try and prove the earth does move have failed? What if, just like with evolution, you have been lied to about where you live and the nature of this realm? What if the true nature of this realm points to God and shows without a shadow of doubt that we were created? What if you did years of research into trying to prove the world is a globe and that the "solar system" is Helio(Satan)centric just to find out there is no clear proof? What if this journey only further showed you how much we have been lied to?

[@SincerelyHannah9]

Don’t worry! The Lord works all things for our good but ultimately for *His* glory!! He will see to it that glory is given unto His name no matter what happens☺️

[@BasedBalboni]

@@JoeDaddyNV as a reformed christian that greatly appreciates the work that john calvin did i find that quote very interesting. Did he suppose the earth was flat?

[@Bornstella]

Wow this was good timing. Was literally just searching through Apologia's archives yesterday for JW content

[@littledeer1206]

Amazing God's timing. I had just listened to this and 5 days later got a phone call from a JW and thru the Holy Spirit was able to recall some of this, I didn't even know I had paid that close of attention to know what to ask. Go out in faith. No fear and if your heart is given to let the Holy Spirit work thru you he will come thru! Praise the Lord! Planting seeds and pebbles in the 👞 !

[@Bornstella]

@@Relex-p7r Delusional. Slanderous. Repent.

[@FormerFetus1995]

@@Relex-p7r 😂

[@willyvee]

This podcast was so valuable. I could use this today when talking to a jehova’s witness. And use it as a step to the Gospel. I exchanged numbers, so this is really an opportunity to talk about the Gospel. Praise the LORD and pray for Henk (jw) and his wife that they may receive the Gospel.

[@RandomBeagle]

Update?

[@adamr456]

Another great pair of passages from The Lord…Psalm 95 God says… Hebrews 3:7 The Holy Spirit says… Thank you Appologia for being the light you are, for the wisdom and encouragement you bring. May God continue to bless each one of you.

[@MyName-ht9ir]

I just watched the one that's 3 yrs old. Great timing I have been touched to help JW witness for the real and only God. I can use more!! Thank you.

[@annasurowaniec6423]

I am former Jehovah witness who was raised in this organization. 2014 Jesus find me and I got safe.Glory to God !🙏❤️please pray for this people they are just victims .(The New World translation is the worst translation of the Bible’s they changed new testament beginning from Jon 1:1 )

[@littledeer1206]

Praise God! Angels rejoice in heaven when one soul comes to him in his truth. Peace of Christ dear sister in Christ!

[@colannos]

from Jon 1:1? Clearly you are very well-read on the bible lmao

[@annasurowaniec6423]

@@colannos -What do you mean ? No offense but you have no clue what you are talking about . Please do your own research and study ,only then you will be able to recognize what John 1:1 mean for somebody like me 😀

[@colannos]

@@annasurowaniec6423 well, you said that they changed the old testament from Jon 1:1. But the old testament begins at Genesis 1:1. Maybe i just misunderstood, and you ARE refering to jon 1:1 about Logos etc

[@annasurowaniec6423]

@@colannos -you’re right that was my mistake . Thx 🙏

[@nametheunknown_]

Thank you for sharing! Looking forward to your other videos on JW as I start my studies on the subject. God bless you, brothers!

[@mishkakasalapiy3222]

I Love Walter Martin. I am an ex-pentecostal and his work helped me become reformed. It was looking for more of his content that I found apologia and Jeff the 🥷. Glory to God alone.

[@mireyamendoza4412]

What made you leave or stop calling yourself Pentecostal?

[@thegreatestoftheseislove1c379]

I'm ex oneness-pentecostal. Now reformed. SDG!

[@SheepDog1974]

​@@thegreatestoftheseislove1c379kindly explain more... What about Pentecostal that you don't like?

[@mandeamcdaniel8611]

Not to speak on @thegreatestoftheseislove1c379 behalf. But Oneness Pentecostals do not believe in the trinity. They believe in “modalism”. They don’t believe there is a distinction in the 3 persons of the tri-une Godhead. But that Jesus IS the Father and IS the Holy Spirit. Essentially that Jesus manifests himself in different modes of God

[@SheepDog1974]

@@mandeamcdaniel8611 im not certain you're explanation depicts it well. Are you suggesting Jesus is not God?

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Great talk. I Started a channel on refuting JW doctrine, so far, God is working in big ways.

[@dexterf.i.joseph2502]

I love your channel. Keely up with more content. I'll recommend it to as many as I can. God bless you.

[@danpena10565]

Just subscribed!

[@Infinite_Interspection]

I was born in this mindwarp. Baptized at 11 mostly as a desperate attempt to feel loved by parents who weekly conditioned me and my brother to accept that we would be handed over for brutal torture and death if they were offered our lives in exchange for denouncing Jehovah. My perception on my experience vs other kids in this religion left me feeling unfairly dealt my reality. I really appreciate this thought provoking conversation. I had things said and done that I didn’t know how horrific that any parent would direct at their child was… not until I had my own kids. Thinking of treating my kids like that broke my heart when I looked at my kids. I have been alone and no family period since 1997. I realized for the first time that The response to logic you mentioned that looks like they feel backed into a corner, it only seems like that because any sane human… that is exactly what acting like this means. But the brain controls are so powerful and deep rooted that the empty explanations spoken, makes it feel like they are winning the argument.

[@ritastevenson5639]

I've been put for almost 2 years and I am so grateful for shows like this that teach the REAL truth in such a clear and kind way. I pray that the Lord will use me to reach JWs that are still stuck! Thank you for being precise in how you represent them bc they will pick up on false statements right away and just turn you off. Though I would prefer to forget the terminology and just move on, I keep it in my mind so that I can give a witness to them with which they can resonate. My (always a Christian) husband and I are focused on a ministry towards them. Pray for us in Virginia!

[@CountryThreadsbyhand]

Love that “we do the conversing & God does the converting!” That needs to be a T-shirt, sweatshirt, bumper sticker!

[@cascadianapplications7124]

Another great couple of passages are Psalm 107:28-30 and Matthew 8:23-27. Talking of the calming of seas in both. It's rock solid.

[@otaKUsportsJP]

Regarding the Psalm 102 & Hebrews 1 passages, even if a JW argues that Hebrews 1 is just confirming or pointing to the fact that Jesus created with Jehovah-God there is another aspect you can draw their attention to. This passage is speaking of characteristics that are unique to the one true God. Specifically, His immutability (Psalm 102:26; Hebrews 1:10-11) and His eternality (Psalm 102:27; Hebrews 1:12). No created being can share these characteristics of God, because they are unique to God alone. This points directly to the deity of the Lord Jesus.

[@cascadianapplications7124]

Psalm 102:28-30 and the gospel passages with Jesus and the disciples is a solid one too

[@RealizeReaLies100]

Only 10 minutes in and you got this! So looking forward to this whole talk ❤️❤️❤️

[@patrickpope4655]

Spectacular! Thank you Lord Jesus, my God and my King! This brought me so much clarification after leaving the Watchtower years ago.

[@deceptionsdemise]

Same here brother. I got chills and teary-eyed with that Jeremiah and Revelation comparison. This episode is amazing and very helpful.

[@christianjones4442]

Amen, love to see this brother in the Lord ❤

[@ryanjorgenson2370]

There is a growing cult in Jacksonville FL. Untamed Truth. Would love to have you all speak on this and if that encourages believers to come help us rescue people out and stop people from being sucked in, that would be awesome! Thanks

[@JollyFlys]

Is just incredible what God's word teaches.

[@Jimmy5991-eb3re]

5:34-5:45 how do you teach the trinity when I have never found it in the Bible???

[@ripcord8738]

Of all of the God dishonoring doctrines of Christendom(the CC, Orthodox church, and Protestantism) the trinity is unquestionably the most deplorable. It's an attack on the most important issue; The identity of Almighty God Jehovah. In spite of all the evidence that disproves it biblically and historically, it still continues to be taught as a "christian" belief. The reason that you didn't find it in the Bible is simple. It's not there.

[@Jimmy5991-eb3re]

@@ripcord8738 So true. The trinity is an insult to the creator. It’s actually says that Almighty God Jehovah has 2 other people that are equal to him. 1 in 3 and 3 in 1. The math doesn’t make sense.

[@jimjuri6490]

@@Jimmy5991-eb3re :(Isaiah 43:10) “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I AM THE SAME ONE. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none. Thanks to God raising up his Witnesses people get to know that only Jehovah is the Only True God. Confirmed by Jesus at John 17:3.

[@Jimmy5991-eb3re]

@@jimjuri6490 I’m always happy to hear someone defending Jehovah’s name and reputation. 👍

[@jimjuri6490]

@@Jimmy5991-eb3re : If Jesus, the Faithful Witness (Rev 1:5), sanctified his God Jehovah's name. his True followers will follow suit. John 17:26  I have made your name known to them and will make it known,

[@jeanmejia21]

What a gem 💎🙏🏾. Praise be to the triune God 🙌🏾✝️

[@robertnieten7259]

Anytime the side comments on scripture are taken as the gospel truth by members they are in error. Jehovah Witnesses and the Seventh Day Adventists are guilty of this. As the Word says," The anointing you have recieved of him abides in you and you don't need anyone to teach you.." ( 1John 2:27)

[@jas4everchanged]

I’ve heard it taught before that the older NWT bibles actually used to read the same in Hebrews saying let all of the angels of God Worship Him. I would like to find one of the old bibles to prove that their translation has been repeatedly changed!!

[@jimjuri6490]

That is correct! Since the word worship in Greek means several things, the context made the translators of the present NWT change the 'proskuneō' due Jesus and others worded differently. This can be checked by comparing Matthew 18:26 in various Bibles. The KJV says Worship. Others don't. Having the word worship at Hebrews 1:6 would show that the angels had refused to worship Jesus so God had to command them to do so. Wouldn't make sense, would it.

[@Vinex727]

From what I understand they have no scholars among them so how is it they can decide what is correct. In the new testaments gods name was never put in but yet they do it anyway

[@Wink81]

I have these plus a few others written down on a little card in my wallet, to compensate for my lack of memorization. Always Ready 😉

[@Isaiah53AKJV]

If you can, please share the ones not shared when the last part comes out. Thank you!!

[@Wink81]

Jesus is Jehovah: Jehovah will share His glory with no one Isa 42:8 / John 17:5 Jehovah created all things alone Isa 44:24 / Col 1:16 No other savior besides Jehovah Isa 43:11 / 1 John 4:14 Only God can forgive sins Like 5:21, Dan 9:9 / Mark 2:7, Matt 9:1-8 There are many more but this should get one started in the connections. Dr. White is the one I first heard this from, he obviously has a wealth of knowledge on JW refutations.

[@Isaiah53AKJV]

@@Wink81 Love it 💯; thank you!!

[@davidwalker5274]

Here's another comparison. Psalm 107:24-30. Men are caught up in the stormy seas but cry out to Jehovah and He calms the seas and the waves grow quiet. Then compare Matthew 8:22-27. Jesus rebukes the stormy seas and the waves grow quiet.

[@monkizaki1440]

Many many people have left the JW and have found the true living God Jesus Christ. I pray God may protect His Word through His people from false religions and cults like these; made by the devil to outright destroy souls by leading them astray from the truth and towards hell hell.

[@virginiaborges5784]

Great job gentlemen. God bless you!

[@letscarryit]

This is so beautiful. Can you guys tackle the topic of “ Protestant ‘Christianity “ is only 500 yrs old . That’s what Catholic resurgent has been promoting hard on KZbin. Ministries like Reason & Theology, Catholic truth .

[@changedman6035]

Be careful listening to those Catholic apologists, they twist Scripture so much and they are very good at it and deceiving people, the blind leading the blind.

[@alstroemeria227again4]

Yes. Great topic.

[@elpibe1924]

So Luther existed before the 1500s?

[@michaelcorder1250]

This was great!!! So practical! That even BLESSED my Life!

[@garysteeden7580]

How can jesus send himself jesus said i can do nothing unless my father tells me so jesus cannot be the father amen to that

[@jordanpierce854]

I love Dr. Walter Martin!

[@talisantos9967]

I have a huge curiosity and heart for those who get sucked into cults, specifically the JW’s. I want to serve God using this natural inquisitiveness and heart that he has given me but find as much as I seek I don’t retain much and find myself being tossed about in a way that feels like I’m not in it with God but working out of my own selfishness. I really would love to find a mentor who can help me overcome this.

[@leepicker67]

A JW will, at some time in a discussion, say that the word "Trinity" is not in the bible AND therefore that is a corruption made by orthodox Christians. One way to meet that objection is to ask the JW to read Genesis 1:1. in their New World Translation. After the JW reads that verse ask them this question: "Do you understand that verse teaching that God created the universe?" Most often the answer will be "Yes." A JW whose really a JW-doctrine whiz might say, "Technically, Jesus created the universe." To which you can agree. Then make the observation that the Hebrew language, which Moses used to write the Book of Genesis, does not have any word that translates to the English term "universe." Then state: "So then, using the term 'universe' to designate and encompass the 'single entity' that includes ALL that He created doesn't seem to be present any logical difficulty for your comprehension." Then ask:" So then, why should the term "trinity" to designate and encompass the single entity that includes ALL that is God be so difficult for you to comprehend?"

[@leepicker67]

@@JustDeannaJune Thank you, June. I had not heard this before. What is the context that they use to communicate this idea? A quote would be lovely to have

[@leepicker67]

@@JustDeannaJune Dear June: Thank you for the information. I am so happy for you that you have escaped this cult and come to the REAL Jesus Christ as your savior. So sorry that your parents are still trapped. I will pray for them. Stay strong. God's will be done.

[@RobertoRamirez-bt7ow]

Where in the Bible does it says Holy Spirit is god?

[@RealizeReaLies100]

Can't wait to follow your channel❤️🙏🏼 thank you!

[@ivanovicsharapova2402]

When the Bible comes out the jw’s run noticed that?

[@scarletxoxo6757]

30:42 I don't get it. Hebrews was reccounting earlier writings. So what?

[@Thats_a_lot_of_Potatoes]

I just started listening to all of Cultish podcasts through from the beginning, love them! It might be helpful to have a quick definition of some of the names and terms at the beginning of each episode. For example, I'm familiar with Scientology and Mormonism but have no idea how Jehovah's witnesses are different and have never heard of the "watch tower." Maybe it's just me!

[@meomy29]

Please add links to anything that has more than one part. Sometimes they're hard to find. For example, as of today, you have a new Part 2 and at least one other that's three years old.

[@kevingarcia8922]

Can you guys start a discussion about the Baha'i faith? I've been seeing them a lot here lately.

[@chrispark2698]

Y'all have any good books you would recommend for further study on how to speak with JWs?

[@silverrr_]

Please pray that my grandparents leave this cult

[@brandonfaddis7443]

Not to be that guy, but the Flame lawsuit (39:00 or so) maybe isn't the best example, as Flame actually lost that case.

[@haseyes19]

Oh man! Thank you

[@plushie.fans.inc.toy-reviews.]

Please pray for me and for the man I juat witnessed to... we looked at several verses including John 1:1. He is very lost. Please pray God saves him and his family.

[@jimjuri6490]

Who is lost and from what about John 1:1?

[@meow-ge7xk]

What is the name of the church of this podcast radio?

[@Dancer4evanyc]

Genuine Q: if Jesus and Jehovah are the same, then how come only the Father knows the day of the end, not even the Son. The scripture is clear on that.

[@wylolister3218]

Same way that Jesus could be tired, hungry and yet raise the dead, call upon an army of angels. He humbled himself to be human like. Isaiah 9:6 New World Translation (JW bible) For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, *Mighty God, Eternal Father,* Prince of Peace. How many Mighty Gods, Eternal Fathers do you believe in? What does Immanuel mean?

[@antonioterrell354]

​@@wylolister3218 ; Well, actually these sorts arguments from Trintarians lead to problems.... For instance, at Ezek. 32:21even humans are called by the plural form of same title, literally "mighty gods" (Heb. ("ele gibborim"). The angels are called "mighty ones" (Psa. 103:20) and "gods" ("elohim") at Psa. 8:5, 97:7, 138:1. So they're actually "Mighty Gods" as well. And where is Jesus ever referred to as "Almighty God" (Heb. "El Shaddai") like the Father is? Also, interestingly the Greek LXX translators do not render the Hebrew title "El Gibbor" as "Mighty God" at Isa. 9:6. But as an "Angel." If the title El Gibbor for the Messiah really meant he were Almighty God, would the LXX authors have interpreted that title as that of an angel? As for the title "Immanuel" ... Well the Israelite name "Eliathah" means "God has come." Or King "Jehu" means "Jehovah is he." Or "Elihu" means "God is he." Etc. ... You have to be careful not to read too much into titles in scripture as Trintarians unfortunately do trying desperately to prove Christ is God. ... Which then leads to a host of other problems this way. ...

[@Zumbamom]

Excellent video thank you ❤

[@lynthamanford4147]

Ok, who does Jesus pray to in the New Testament accounts?

[@letscarryit]

To the Father . Biblical Christianity doesn’t teach what is referred to as modelism . Where the Father turns into the Son and the Son turns into the Spirit. The Bible teaches 1 God co existing in 3 persons . Co equal Co eternal

[@bundajan4516]

I think, we should also take these texts into account.. before making any definitive conclusions... If someone is really sincere, he will look at those texts and be willing to answer them openly, without obstacles or bias. John 14:10,16,20,24,28,31. / John 3:16 and 16:13-15. and 20:17 Isaiah 53:10-12. Philippians 2:5-11. Matthew 24:36 Why is the holy spirit not mentioned here...if the holy spirit is part of the trinity? Matthew 26:39. and 27:46. 1. Corinthians 15:24-28.

[@thebark_barx6231]

This was good 👍

[@ariananene120]

They actually told me to get to heaven there's a certain song I have to learn to get there, oh and I don't get there it's very important to them that the kingdom comes to earth. Now we're going back and forth about that. When I brought them back to Romans they got offended somehow and left, I just wanted to point them to scripture but they want to cherry pick the verses, no read the whole thing. They did not like any of that. Ended up accusing me of being too passionate.

[@tageherrington7476]

Gregg koukal wrote Tactics, not Walter Martin.

[@shawnafawnreigns8048]

I would love to have a side by side printed comparison I can use and share with the JW's. My older brother converted to JW from Baptist through his wife. Married right after high school. Been years now, he has become an elder in their church. Would love to pass this to him without having an argument. He can go over it himself privately.

[@TomaszKapuscinski]

So what's the problem with doing that on your own?🙈 You've heard everything that you need. What's so difficult about doing side by side printed comparison for your brother?😳😳 Wow...

[@shawnafawnreigns8048]

@@TomaszKapuscinski The problem is we have very little contact now. I don't want to lose all of it completely. Guess I will keep reading and praying for direction. Sorry I commented.

[@theresaconklin317]

All of my husband family are jws. I am so sorry for your brother it breaks my heart. Keep praying for him to have his eyes open to the real truth which is Jesus Check out jude 3 Laura 2 utube it has great information that might help

[@ladillalegos]

What a great video guys!! Thanks!

[@katymuroff9669]

I was born into Jehovah witness religion. It was the most disturbing, horribly structured and abusive set of rules that I can’t describe. I was abused sexually and abusers and pedophiles are protected in the religion. I was never baptized, so I was able to get away from it without disfellowshipped and more abuse but I know everything inside and out. I saw my two older sisters disfellowshipped because they want to divorce, and they were being abused by their ex-husband and, they protect men that are abusers.

[@meow-ge7xk]

How would you know the inside out of JWs if you were not baptized?

[@wylolister3218]

@@meow-ge7xk "Jehovah is the Grand identifier of his true messengers. He identifies them by making the messages he delivers through them come true. *Jehovah is also the Great Exposer of false messengers."* Watchtower 1997 May 1 p.8 "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* (Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4) *Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* (Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower)

[@meow-ge7xk]

@@wylolister3218 But from I've read to their magazines. That even Jesus followers made a mistake of identifying the Messiah. And also to their archives they totally admit that they're are not prophet so making mistakes just showing they're humans. Unlike other who claimed they are infallible. If you compare the early Christians to the modern day followers, I bet they're the only one who regularly knocking at our doors. And they are very active in that field preaching and teaching. That's what Jesus said right in Mathew 28:19,20.. I hope that's the right text.

[@wylolister3218]

@@meow-ge7xk I suggest you read the Bible on what a false prophet is. (Deut 18:20-22) and not go with excuse making. Are you saying their is NO SUCH THING as a false prophet? The Bible in many scriptures says there are, along with false teachers. Wolves in sheep's clothing, who do you think this sound like? *JWs claim to follow the Bible and yet* no Bible I know of says anything about 1799,1844,1874,1879, 1914,1915, 1918, 1919, 1925, 1936, 1940's, 1950's, 1960's,1975, 2000,ect. JWs call their literature "food FROM God", repeat "food FROM God" yet it has these false dates. *"Jehovah's Witnesses, ... have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4 *Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* - Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower

[@wylolister3218]

@@meow-ge7xk JWs speak out of both sides of their mouths! *Watchtower 1972 Apr 1 pp.197-199 'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them'* Notice 3 things. 1) the only religion named in this article about "a prophet among them" 2) there is no ( " - " ) around the word prophet in the title and in this first question in the article. 3) JWs call themselves a modern-day Ezekiel, who was a prophet. (article from website & literature) *"So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?* IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET" These questions *can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?* ... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. *Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses.* ... Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. Thus this group of anointed followers of Jesus Christ, doing a work in Christendom paralleling Ezekiel's work among the Jews, were manifestly the modern-day Ezekiel, the "prophet" commissioned by Jehovah to declare the good news of God's Messianic kingdom and to give warning to Christendom." *Watchtower 1972 Apr 1 pp.197-199 'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them'*

[@wylolister3218]

Why would anyone accept a Bible study from the JW cult? Bible truth vs JWs "truth"? "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4 *Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower

[@rebeccabacalso4536]

Very clear explanation of SCIENTIST about 1914 check out KZbin o GOOGLE SCIENTIST EXPLAIN WHY JEHOVAHS WITNESSES ARE RIGHT.

[@alyssag.5758]

Too many ads

[@nickspitzley8539]

Please for someone named Justin Beakman. God knows the situation. It ties into all this. I pray for the day he breaks down to the true God and His word.

[@Janice-d-witnessing]

This is great. Thanks guys!

[@ccorday]

The podcast has part 2 uploaded as part 1

[@deadeyeridge]

Jerry learning to use a laptop for the first time.

[@cheer8520258]

This is good

[@bradybrewer6516]

Awesome stuff!

[@Renfield37]

but what stopped it was just when they were going to accept her the one deceived person that was trying to convert her told her she could not wear any of her christian t shrts to their meeting place ( church ) and that started a big argument between her and mother which was good and so the woman left and never came back

[@docholliday7777]

They say they believe in one God but Jesus according to their Bible is a lesser God so they have 2 gods. And the word was a God number 2

[@antonioterrell354]

What do you mean by "**they** believe?" ... As the Bible teaches that while the Father is the one Almighty God (YHWH). The angels as "sons of God" are viewed as secondary or lesser "gods" as divine beings beneath God, who serve and worship him as his heavenly messengers with Christ as the head one. See Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7 and Psa. 8:5; 97:7; 138:1 -- "elohim" "gods."

[@wylolister3218]

@@antonioterrell354 Isaiah 9:6 New World Translation (JW bible) For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, *Mighty God, Eternal Father,* Prince of Peace. How many Mighty Gods, Eternal Fathers do you believe in? What does Immanuel mean?

[@antonioterrell354]

@@wylolister3218 ; It's not about how many ones with these titles I personally believe in. But recognizing that they are relative titles in scripture that are applied to other individuals in scripture beneath God. No matter how many their specific numbers turn out to be. Just like the title "El Gibbor", ("Mighty God") is ever applied to human military leaders or chiefs at Ezek. 32:21 "Ele Gibborim", which literally means "Mighty Gods." Even the angels are called both "mighty ones" ("gibborim") at Psa. 103:20. And also "gods" ("elohim") at Psa. 8:5; 97:7; 138:1. So they're even "mighty gods" as well. This is why the Father is also called "El Shaddai" for "Almighty God" like at Ex. 6:3. Which is not relative and is a title of absolute power and authority above all that is never applied to Christ. And even Trinitarians are naturally forced to understand the title "Eternal Father" is used in a different sense than God the Father is, least you have modalism or something.

[@wylolister3218]

@@antonioterrell354 Explain Rev 1:7, who is coming and then Rev 1:8 "the Almighty" who is coming and when was God a "was"? Isaiah 9:6 New World Translation (JW bible) For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, *Mighty God, Eternal Father,* Prince of Peace.

[@antonioterrell354]

@@wylolister3218 ; Neither God nor Christ is literally "coming" so as to leave heaven and come to the earth. But BOTH are actually coming in the sense that at Armageddon it will be God's judgement from heaven "coming" upon the inhabited earth carried out by his Son Jesus Christ accompanied by his powerful angels acting in his Father's Name. Once again, Trinitarians frequently confuse expressions in scripture of God "coming" to do something, with the specific means or methodology by which he actually performs it through. Which is usually a divine agent as a representative of his that he raises and empowers to act for him.

[@pj2r596]

Talked to some Jahohva Witnesses for the first time a couple days ago. Twisted conversation. This is good stuff. Knowing nothing about JWs, I still knew proper doctrine well enough to make them question some things I think. Really want to be better prepared though, so this is a good start.

[@phaxad]

Walter Martin was awesome.

[@1cjl2]

You had me until you started explaining their doctrine. You absolutely got it wrong. As an ex Jehovah's Witness I can confirm that they believe that Jesus is a mediator between human kind and Jehovah God. They don't believe the 144,000 are mediators, they believe the 144,000 will be teachers during the millennial reign. You are just wrong about your assumption of what they believe.

[@jeffbrown423]

Check the insight book , not many witnesses know this technical tidbit, and I know that some when they find out the doctrine don't believe it to be true

[@jeffbrown423]

Actually new doctrine now says that the 144 thousand is no longer the faithful and discreet slave but the governing body is and they are our mediator

[@1cjl2]

@@jeffbrown423 that is simply untrue

[@TheObsessiveGardener]

Really good stuff!

[@hinduismwithpremananddasbhagat]

As a Hindu, when the Witnesses come knocking I'm always nice to them - as they are people, and not bad or evil people - but then when I roll out talk of Sanatana Dharma they just freeze. They can't respond. They can't respond to someone who says he has a living relationship with god, and is happy they do to, and god is a blue. They don't know what to say as I'm being friendly, yet opposing them, I'm encouraging them in their faith, but saying I have a belief system that is foreign to a lot of folks. I actually get a kick out of it .... though sometimes I regret doing this, as I'd love to talk to them to find out what they believe.

[@MrPoohman1981]

God don’t have many names but he do have titles, and expressions that define him or shows his attributes. Nobody knows the pronunciation his true name because it was removed from the scriptures

[@methuselahbar-enoch3332]

Is the Bible your watchtower? Or is the Watchtower your Bible? This is something for the JWs to consider.

[@jimjuri6490]

Is this video the Bible?

[@methuselahbar-enoch3332]

@@jimjuri6490 Hmm. That thought never crossed my mind. Do you have a Bible? Do you read it?

[@jimjuri6490]

@@methuselahbar-enoch3332 : Naturally. The WT explains what is taught in the Bible.

[@methuselahbar-enoch3332]

@@jimjuri6490 Do you believe that anyone can understand God's Word outside of the Watchtower?

[@mypath4healthyliving533]

5min in. Just a polite rebuke on our brother talking about 66 love letters. there are not 66 books, yet 49. 27 books of the apostolic testimony, and 22 of what is called old. 1-2 Samuel one book, 1-2 kings one book, 1-2 chronicles-Ezra-Nehemiah one long book, the book of the prophets from Hosea-malachai one book in fact it is book of Yahweh inspecting his bride, Stephen declares this just before he is martyred. this might seem to be nit picking, yet we are to be precise as best we can. anyway hope this helps.

[@LadyRevel22.2o.21]

Not everyone means "truth" is honest. The devils have they're "truth"!

[@brentheltonj6308]

Jesus being Michael Daniel 10:13-14 it’s says Michael “ one of” meaning plural there is no plural

[@Ancient_Man_In_Modern_World]

Zechariah 2:10-11, Malachi 3 and Matthew 11… It is just like having to guide Muslims.. take them to the prophets. Know the prophets.

[@gettended]

Holy Spirit is Feminine. ✌🏾❤️🖖🏾🩸 God is Triune Yahweh is One. He is Holy Holy Holy. ❤

[@LadyRevel22.2o.21]

Liars will be exposed one day! Not everyone is confused or deceived!

[@roguecalvinist]

I love the comparison from psalm to Hebrews. Looks like they missed one 😅

[@omar2309666]

I read psalms 102 and compared it to Hebrews chapter 1 AND chapter 2 and to my understanding there is clearly a distinction between jehovah and jesus....

[@robynhouse8166]

JWs don't say "Bless you"

[@evanrojas2561]

That's true.

[@kim-pm8gi]

Kauai! Awesome! Sorry, just had to say it 😉

[@AhLowPuroWayProductions]

The context is contradicting when it says and it’s changing to another subject 😮 meaning the conversation is taking a shift to explain something different. Then it returns to the conversation on the next versus when he reiterates about the privileges Jesus now has as an exalted son. to the second argument yes he is right he reads the heart BECAUSE like John 17:3 say they were his Jehovah gods but were given to him the anointed congratulation And last note what he say “ that’s why we created the term trinity ” 😮😮😮 who’s adding what to the word now

[@joeshmo725]

I asked Chat GPT to come up with other examples in the NWT where Jesus is identified tired as doing something Jehova does. 1. **Old Testament - Jehovah Forgives Sins** - Passage: Isaiah 43:25 (NWT) "I-yes, I am the One who is wiping out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins." - New Testament - Jesus Forgives Sins - Passage: Mark 2:5-10 (NWT) "When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paraplegic: 'Child, your sins are forgiven.'... But in order for you to know that the Son of man has authority to forgive sins on earth-'he said to the paraplegic-'I say to you, Get up, pick up your stretcher, and go to your home.'" 2. **Old Testament - Jehovah as the Shepherd** - Passage: Psalm 23:1 (NWT) "Jehovah is my Shepherd. I will lack nothing." - New Testament - Jesus as the Good Shepherd - Passage: John 10:11 (NWT) "I am the fine shepherd. The fine shepherd surrenders his life in behalf of the sheep." 3. **Old Testament - Jehovah as the Creator** - Passage: Genesis 1:1 (NWT) "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." - New Testament - Jesus as the Creator - Passage: Colossians 1:16 (NWT) "Because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him." 4. **Old Testament - Jehovah as the Alpha and Omega** - Passage: Isaiah 44:6 (NWT) "This is what Jehovah says, the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies: 'I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me.'" - New Testament - Jesus as the Alpha and Omega - Passage: Revelation 22:13 (NWT) "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end." 5. **Old Testament - Jehovah as the Savior** - Passage: Isaiah 43:11 (NWT) "I-I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior." - New Testament - Jesus as the Savior - Passage: Titus 2:13 (NWT) "While we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of the Savior of us, Christ Jesus." These passages demonstrate similarities between the actions and attributes attributed to Jehovah in the Old Testament and those attributed to Jesus in the New Testament in the context of forgiveness, shepherding, creation, divine titles, and salvation.

[@meow-ge7xk]

These interview is based only on assumptions. Only things he knew about JWs. This podcast can't interview a real JWs whose not the former or disfellowship members. Because they will not accept any invitation. So this podcast will interview those who are all against the JWs belief, who has regret anger etc, on this group. So what will you get mostly negative.

[@antonioterrell354]

Yep ... And that's actually what happened to me many years ago when I relied on biased sources against JWs like from Walter Martin, the actual mentor of this apologetic ministry. And on the angry claims of ex-JWs with an ax to grind. This caused me to use what turned out to be very poor arguments and scholarship against them when I originally tried to witness against some JWs I met in college. Who were very sharp and even knew the original languages. And were more than prepared for everything I tried to throw at them.

[@meow-ge7xk]

@@antonioterrell354 Have you tried to have a Bible study with them. From what I know they can arrange depending on your availability. That's frée of charge. Time, effort and money is nothing compared to what they do, and everytime I see them, they're all happy and cheerful which is opposite on what we see in our society today.

[@wylolister3218]

Bible truth vs JWs "truth"? "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4 *Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower "Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Jehovah's Witnesses] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." Watchtower, Nov. 1, 1972, page 644 - in brackets added (any scriptures for this "admitting to mistakes" means no they aren't false teachings, false prophecies?) Admitting to making false prophecies doesn't magically change them, they are still Bible defined false prophecies (Deut 18:20-22) Very poor reasoning, probably why JWs "suggested dates" and went beyond scripture. "suggested dates, wrong expectations" in God's name? yes, these ARE false prophecies from the Jehovah Witness Organization. God's channel of communications, his voice on earth, God's mouthpiece, JWs? Nope, just a false religion!

[@wylolister3218]

Why should anyone accept a Bible study from a religion who decade after decade makes false spiritual utterances, false teachings, false prophecies? "It is the Day of Vengeance, which began in the world war of 1914 and which *will break like a furious morning storm in 1918.”* (The Finished Mystery, 1917, p. 404) *"Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin* against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." (The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah p. 216 1971) [can be found in the book and on their website] "He was laying a foundation for a work *that would be completed in our 20th century".* (Watchtower 1989 Jan 1 p.12) (The 1989 Watchtower used the term "in our 20th century" in the magazine, but this was changed to "in our day" for the bound volume and subsequent CD library and website. Compare the magazine version to the bound volume and website version.)

[@jasonroy9009]

@@meow-ge7xk Admit it, you're a JW, lol

[@rhondahart2416]

read john 17:11-12 Jesus flat out says they have the same name. bless you guys

[@jimjuri6490]

(John 17:11, 12) “I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am COMING TO YOU. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name, which you have given me, so that THEY MAY BE ONE JUST AS WE ARE ONE. 12 When I was with them, I used to watch over them on account of your own name, WHICH YOU HAVE GIVEN ME; and I have protected them, and not one of them is destroyed except the son of destruction, so that the scripture might be fulfilled. Been GIVEN God's authority (Name) would mean that Jesus never possessed it earlier. All Jesus' Disciples share the ONENESS as God and Jesus.

[@rhondahart2416]

@@jimjuri6490 gen.19:24 both Adonai's in the ancient language in this verse is YHWH one is on earth the other is in heaven . in ex.33:11 this Adonai spoke face to face with Moses ,in verse 19 this Adonai says in verse 20 that you can not see His face and live .both are YHWH in the ancient language . we know the first was Jesus from Hebrews 11:26 because Moses considered the reproach of Christ to be greater wealth. this is changed in your version of the bible ,it's Jehovah stuck in there but that is incorrect because Jesus tells us in John 5:22 that the Father judges no one so it's the reproach of the Christ. in Isaiah 41:4 I the Adonai- the first WITH the last- I am He. both YHWH. Isaiah 48: 12- the first and the last then continue through verse 16. who do you think is talking here? it's not the Father. this same first and last that is in Revelation 1:17,18 and 2:8. the One who died and came back to life. Revelation 14:1 the 144,000 have His name and His Fathers name on their forehead YHWH. of course this is changed in your version of the bible despite the two curses at the end telling us that if we change the meaning of the prophecy or add anything God will add to them the plagues in the book. i would like to give some information to you. I've been researching freemasons, they look secular but when you dig into it they are satan worshipers. the g.b. wears their rings. all people in power all over the world are invited into the freemasons. their publications state they are satan worshipers and they aim for a one world government. in Denmark there was a kingdom hall built that from google earth you can see that it is a pyramid with an all seeing eye of the masons. this is not happenstance. the g.b. are in this up to their eyeballs. there are many things that you guys do that is freemason and you don't know it. why do you think the g.b. says channeling God's spirit? no one that reads the bible ever says that but this is a mason term. there's a ton more you need to know. too long for here. check it out. shalom my friend

[@deontejones2022]

So when the Bible say Jesus is the son of god that's not an distinction between to individuals

[@wylolister3218]

Isaiah 9:6 New World Translation (JW bible) For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, *Mighty God, Eternal Father,* Prince of Peace. How many Mighty Gods, Eternal Fathers do you believe in? What does Immanuel mean?

[@antonioterrell354]

Yeah, that's very strange ... I mean the angels are "sons of God", and they are certainly individuals separate from God whom he created (Job 1:6; 2.1; 38:7). And Adam was originally a "son of God" who was also definitely a separate individual from God and created by him (Lk. 3:38). But now Jesus is repeatedly called "the Son of God" in scripture far more times than these others. And he's supposedly not an individual separate from God and created by him??? .... Nah ... don't think so ... Extreme special pleading by Trinitarians as usual ....

[@wylolister3218]

@@antonioterrell354 Does the Bible say that any of JWs (poor reasoning) "sons of God" has fullness of deity, godship, God head like it says with Jesus? Col 2:9 New International Version For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, New Living Translation For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. English Standard Version For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, Berean Standard Bible For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. Berean Literal Bible For in Him all the fullness of the Deity dwells bodily. King James Bible For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. New King James Version For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; New American Standard Bible For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, NASB 1995 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, NASB 1977 For in Him all the fulness of Deity dwells in bodily form, Legacy Standard Bible For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells bodily, Amplified Bible For in Him all the fullness of Deity (the Godhead) dwells in bodily form [completely expressing the divine essence of God]. Christian Standard Bible For the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily in Christ, Holman Christian Standard Bible For the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily in Christ, American Standard Version for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, Aramaic Bible in Plain English For all The Fullness of The Deity dwells in him bodily. Contemporary English Version God lives fully in Christ. Douay-Rheims Bible For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally; English Revised Version for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, GOD'S WORD® Translation All of God lives in Christ's body, Good News Translation For the full content of divine nature lives in Christ, in his humanity, International Standard Version because all the essence of deity inhabits him in bodily form. Literal Standard Version because in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, Majority Standard Bible For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity dwells in bodily form. New American Bible For in him dwells the whole fullness of the deity bodily, NET Bible For in him all the fullness of deity lives in bodily form, New Revised Standard Version For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, New Heart English Bible For in him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, Webster's Bible Translation For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Weymouth New Testament For it is in Christ that the fulness of God's nature dwells embodied, and in Him you are made complete, World English Bible For in him all the fullness of the Deity dwells bodily, Young's Literal Translation because in him doth tabernacle all the fulness of the Godhead bodily,

[@wylolister3218]

@@antonioterrell354 JW, Are you claiming to understand the Bible? JWs have a 130+ year history of poor Bible reasoning as well a making false spiritual utterances about God, Christ and the Bible. "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4 *Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower (cough) as God's "sole" channel of communication, his voice on earth, with literature called "food from God. "It is the Day of Vengeance, which began in the world war of 1914 and which *will break like a furious morning storm in 1918.”* (The Finished Mystery, 1917, p. 404) *"Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin* against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." (The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah p. 216 1971) [can be found in the book and on their website] "He was laying a foundation for a work *that would be completed in our 20th century".* (Watchtower 1989 Jan 1 p.12) (The 1989 Watchtower used the term "in our 20th century" in the magazine, but this was changed to "in our day" for the bound volume and subsequent CD library and website. Compare the magazine version to the bound volume and website version.)

[@antonioterrell354]

@@wylolister3218 ; So what of it? ... As he's still God's Son and thus obviously not God himself, but the Son of that individual as a creation of his as with all the rest his sons (Jn. 5:26; Rev. 3:14). ... The greatest and most special of those angelic sons no doubt, but still one of them. Plus earlier at Col. 1:19 scripture aays that it was by God's "choice", "good pleasure", "decision", "saw god", etc., to have such a fullness to dwell in him so that he could best represent him above all others. Which means that Christ didn't always have this divinity. But his Father incorporated it into him at some point when he created him.

[@timo57890]

One simple question to ask a JW. Do you believe in hell or not? Cause either Jesus is a liar or hes not. Jesus spoke more about hell than heaven.

[@xxxViceroyxxx]

they do. their conception of hell (gehenna in hebrew) is that its likeness to fire is destructive, not torturous.

[@timo57890]

@@xxxViceroyxxx Thats not true just google do jehova's witnesses believe in hell

[@antonioterrell354]

To be clear, JWs believe the term "Hell" as an abbreviation of "Helan" meaning "the unseen place" in the old English dialect. Would agree with its use as a descriptive translation of the Hebrew "sheol" or the Greek "hades" in scripture. The common grave of mankind. Though "hell" is obsolete language today. ... "Hell" meaning a supposed underground fiery abode where disembodied wicked immortal souls of the dead are eternally tormented by Satan and the demons. JWs reject that as based on unscriptural pagan mythology ...

[@xxxViceroyxxx]

@@antonioterrell354 i have not heard of this "helan." my research indicates "hell" is derived from greek "kolasj." theologically, it is the same as "gehenna," which is the hebrew language term used to describe the same thing. contrary to popular understanding, "sheol/hades" is not the same as "gehenna/hell." james white himself affirms the position that hell, being the 2nd death, means no one is in hell right now and never has been. the dead are resting in sheol awaiting their final judgement.

[@timo57890]

@@antonioterrell354 Then they never read the story of Lazarus and the richman

[@JD-ds3rq]

From what I gathered in discussion and Bible Study they believed Jesus was Ach Angel Michael before on earth and the first creation

[@ripcord8738]

They believe that because he is and was.

[@JD-ds3rq]

@@ripcord8738or because in I believe revelations it says he would come with a voice of a arch angel. paraphrasing

[@anthonygamboa3146]

I so want to listen but his verbal mannerisms clicking his tongue on his teeth is too distracting for me, sorry lol but keep spreading the truth!!

[@joeyariascoots]

Wow!

[@deontejones2022]

Religion suppose to bring people together not separate them... I know in my heart one religion is right but raised as a jw idk about religion anymore. My dad was elder and I'm not knocking them at least they trying to do what's right that's all that matters

[@wylolister3218]

Bible truth vs JWs "truth"? "Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, *have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect."* Awake 1993 Mar 22 page4 *Jehovah’s Witnesses have had wrong expectations about when the end would come.* Jan 1, 2013 Watchtower "Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Jehovah's Witnesses] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." Watchtower, Nov. 1, 1972, page 644 - in brackets added (any scriptures for this "admitting to mistakes" means no they aren't false teachings, false prophecies?) Admitting to making false prophecies doesn't magically change them, they are still Bible defined false prophecies (Deut 18:20-22) Very poor reasoning, probably why JWs "suggested dates" and went beyond scripture. "suggested dates, wrong expectations" in God's name? yes, these ARE false prophecies from the Jehovah Witness Organization. God's channel of communications, his voice on earth, God's mouthpiece, JWs? Nope, just a false religion!