Abandoned Plot Lines in Game of Thrones

[@CultureVultureMedia1]

Out of these, which plot line would you have like to see resolved the most? 🧐

[@DaysieRose]

The Azor Ahai/White Walkers plot 😞

[@C-White-88]

It is hard to pick one so many feel really important to the story . But yeah Jon Snow being a Targaryen not having any impact on the story at all was really disappointing. Also you are really handsome. I hope all is well on your end, best wishes to you and yours. Have a Merry Christmas.

[@CultureVultureMedia1]

@@C-White-88 I'm leaning towards Jon Targaryen too. And thank you, all the best to you as well, merry Christmas! 💁‍♀

[@C-White-88]

@@CultureVultureMedia1 you're most welcome and thank you and thanks for the great content.

[@givemeliberty700]

Lol when this guy said "subscribe for that nerds" my heart fluttered haha

[@gloth]

the white walkers spiral symbolizes all the theories and our hopes going down the drain on the last season of the show :)

[@QuinnShardae]

Indeed, couldn't have said it better. lol

[@MaraJadeSkky]

Profound!

[@samkochel6990]

Great Comment!

[@MrGeode78]

Too true

[@Jamal-wk6fy]

this one bugged me so much they keep throwing it in our face lol

[@AussBosss]

That picture of Littlefinger and Sansa is a masterpiece 😂

[@CultureVultureMedia1]

Glad you liked that one ;)

[@djonketchup2597]

pls enter time

[@Lake_Tide_]

@@djonketchup2597 1:12 it really is a good picture

[@guilherme5094]

You're goddamn right.

[@drunkweirdbeerghost]

👌😂

[@timothyconard2825]

Meera Reed was also abandoned. She was cast off by Bran in a cold fashion, never to be seen or mentioned again. That left so much to be desired, especially when considering the tremendous amount of work and suffering she put in to see Bran all over the North and beyond.

[@aliciad8553]

Meera is at home with her dad. Howland Reed has been sitting there waiting for somebody to stop by, or send a raven, to ask him what he saw at the Tower of Joy. Add Howland Reed to the list of the forgotten.

[@ceilingfanenthusiast6041]

Nah. That's one of the only good scenes in late GOT. What you described is literally the emotion you're intended to feel. Bran casts her aside like she's nothing after Hodor, her brother died for her. After she almost died for him. The "You died in that cave Bran" was a phenomenal line in a season of bad dialogue. Edit: reread this and it sounded a little passive aggressive. Just my opinion :)

[@michaelcleary9025]

Yeah they had a fight about something, and she strops off, and that's it, that was her exit. She's sulking in a puddle somewhere

[@chadsmith5356]

YOU try becoming the three eyed raven and knowing the past, present, and future simultaneously and see if YOU don't become emotionless. Made sense to me man idk 😂

[@2amBreakfast]

I don't think this is an issue tbf. Meera was never really a character who existed in her own right with her own story. Her and Jojen were just facilitators to help get Bran where he needed to be (and in Jojen's case, to introduce Bran to his powers and potential).

[@Nuhanii]

Season 1 - Winter is coming! Season 2 - Winter is coming!! Season 3 - Winter is comingg!!! Season 4 - Winter is comminggg!!!!! Season 5 - Wiiiiinter is commmming!!!!!!! Season 6 - WiiiiinnnTer is commmmmmmingggg!!!! Season 7 - Wiiiiiiiinter issss commmmmmingggggggg!!!!! Season 8 - Oh it's over mate! Peww, close call eh?

[@davegordon6943]

No shit. terrible

[@MoneyDotMarco]

Season 8 end of episode 2 Winter is here, Season 8 end of episode 3 Winter is gone 😮‍💨

[@laurocoman]

During years, every time it got even a little cold outside someone always said "Winter is coming" around me. Not any more. Not even once since season 8. Like the show got erased from existance.

[@rexxbailey2764]

​@@laurocoman: LOLS GOOD RIDDANCE, OF BULLSHIT!😆😂😂😂

[@reffa2858]

(The Late) Kevin Samuel's: Winter is coming.

[@rahul9704]

Another abandoned plotline are the Stark wolves. They're setup as very symbolic, and then they kinda just die or not shown anymore.

[@theladycat9342]

Allegedly they were too expensive to animate according the producers (dumb and dumber) I mean that was such a lame excuse you have dragons for god sake!! 😅

[@BradloRaul]

@@theladycat9342 but the same thing happens in the books. My take on it was that ol’ George started out with one idea of where he was going with the series (a high adventure with lots of magic and monsters) and later decided to go another (a character driven story more about human nature).

[@Piensamalyacertaras]

Arya is a Warg!?

[@elo_9123]

@@Piensamalyacertaras all the stark children are wargs, they just more or less have an affinity to it

[@anon2427]

@@BradloRaulASOIAF really isn’t about human nature

[@codybk91]

The one that pissed me off the most was the stuff with The Night King and whitewalkers. For pretty much the entire show they were depicted as these terrifying and near-unstoppable creatures who seemed to be making their way toward King's Landing for some as of yet to be announced reason, but then Arya found them and killed The Night King and that was that. We never discovered what the series' main villain wanted or what his intentions were for everything that he did.

[@dobleuxyz]

He is the king and the leader of the army of the dead. Like any other king, he is looking for power and goes to war for that. He wants to rule everything. I don't think there's gotta be an explanation for that, seems too obvious.

[@kingamatysiak4063]

i mean it was said that they want to erase the man kind by killing bran

[@nateswaby93]

@@dobleuxyzyeah….no. They were invented by the children of the forest to fight against the first men but typical fashion there is no “stop button” they’re just on auto pilot to finish their original goal to eliminate all men

[@thecensoredmuscle563]

​@dobleuxyz apparently it wasn't obvious for you, since what you explained was obviously not that. Lol they were created to destroy men, not rule, or rule over men.

[@howtoeataham]

Right? I thought they should’ve explained more about who the night king was as a human, why they chose him to become the night king, who his generals were, and the motive behind killing the living. Also his death was so anticlimactic. Like you’re telling me this man can warg, is unaffected by dragon fire, is supposedly an unstoppable killing machine, but is taken out with a single knife to the gut? They could’ve done sooo much cooler stuff with him.

[@thedude7319]

I forgot how many plotlines where dropped. damn the potential of this series

[@AnArChRiStxseditio]

massive potential, poor implementation

[@pubcle]

The plotlines that weren't mentioned: The entire series. Martin's never finishing the last book.

[@prowlingmonkey]

@@pubcle Last TWO books.

[@piface3016]

I disagree that the show had potential... There was simply no way to tie together these many threads in a satisfactory way. It was a doomed enterprise from the start, it's also why the books can't be finished.

[@pubcle]

@@piface3016 There's additional reasons, Martin is a deconstructionist, not much of a creator. He knows how to criticize, he WANTS to criticize, & he can put that criticism pretty beautifully, but he can't complete or offer conclusions & solutions. It's why none of them will ever end in satisfying ways & everything that is closed opens five more threads. He can't help but expand at every turn & criticize everything that came earlier.

[@Twinkie_McCream]

This video horrifically sums up why I can’t rewatch the series… knowing it went nowhere is too painful

[@AM-vr4qy]

Or any spin offs

[@Twinkie_McCream]

I’m giving House of the Dragon a chance, but it’s already on thin ice…

[@akaneshio6406]

@@Twinkie_McCream I actually loved it and had 0 expectations. It actually makes the ending hurt even MORE because of how much they made the "Prince that was promised" important and how amazing the house Targaryen was (in all the best-twisted ways) in comparison. Makes Danny's end feel worse, and the fact that Arya killed the night king even worse than Danny's end (I don't mind the descend-into-madness plotline for Danny, all of the Targaryen is cray cray, but they did it SO badly, that it felt out of nowhere and terrible)

[@jayshizzle35]

@@Twinkie_McCreamthey’re making sure the house of the dragon is amazing just trust it, no rushing production, much more money pushed into it and the dragon battles in season 2 will be better than any battle in game of thrones. It just feels like the stakes are much higher in HOD too, you can tell all out war is coming.

[@sam2stu]

Just watch 1-4. That's what I did

[@Tier1GearEDCReviews]

It’s funny how Jamie and Cersei stood there all dramatic and let the ruble fall on their heads… When all they had to do was take 2 steps to the left and they would have been perfectly fine. Literally every archway held up perfectly. Tyrion was able to walk right up and see them. 😂

[@christinerobbins9376]

Now that you mention it 😅😅😅😅

[@leeknowsnothing]

tbh no...they couldn't run outta kings landing and stayong in kings landing meant dying by the hand of dyneris anyways...so they just accepted their death and spet their last moment in each others arms....cersie's desperation for her and her child's life and then them passing out together i think was a beautiful moment as much as i hate the character....ofcourse it is just my opinion

[@WeSaveWe]

Oh come on ..

[@Tier1GearEDCReviews]

@@leeknowsnothing When Tyrion finds them, everything around them was fully intact!! He only had to move 1 or 2 rocks to find them lol. Had they actually been buried by rubble, he would’ve never found them.

[@ItsKatyan]

They just wanted to die from cringe

[@احمدساغریچی]

i feel like my old wounds have opened and salt poured on them, thanks for video

[@CultureVultureMedia1]

My pleasure ;)

[@Ninaloasana]

Couldn't say it better. Season 8 is even more painful for me than the red wedding.

[@Nicottarius]

​@@CultureVultureMedia1what's your insta handle... You're very attractive

[@LuisaRosati]

Another plotline abandoned: Arya's direwolf. I know it's not much but I felt bad at their last encounter.

[@CultureVultureMedia1]

I almost included it in the video too. As awful as that goodbye was, it did bare the semblance of a resolution. If I'd included it, people might object and say things like "you just didn't like how it ended" and they wouldn't be wrong.

[@craigmiller4184]

How is that "abandoned"? She said, "That's not you." Reflecting on how she felt when forced to go the "girl" activities. She realizes she has to let her dire wolf go and is going on her own path. The same way Arya did; she realizes she needs to respect that. There couldn't be any more closure there than you needed.

[@LuisaRosati]

@@craigmiller4184 I just think that giving a beginning and an end doesn't make a development. To me it just felt like the writers suddenly remembered about the wolf and had to think about some improvised ending to it.

[@GanjaCoyote]

In the books there is a small chapter where Nymeria is leading a freaking giant pack of direwolves around Westeros all by herself while Arya is away becoming faceless and with Wargs being a thing I was like holy crap the Long Night is going to have a DIREWOLF ARMY in the middle of it and I am so sad that we will probably never get the payoff to any of this amazing story.

[@icewaterchrist]

They shat on the entire Direwolf plotline. They were as iconic as the dragons in the books.

[@stereochrist]

That goddamn “Bran is the Night King” edit put me near to tears because a twist that cool would have easily made up for how shit they did the White Walker and Three Eyes Raven plots 😭😭😭😭

[@CultureVultureMedia1]

Glad you liked that one :D

[@stereochrist]

@@CultureVultureMedia1 Like it? You singlehandedly fixed this show with such a brilliantly simple idea. Fuck D&D and their Xmen Origins Wolverine no talent having asses.

[@123themovieman]

oh you’re one of those

[@stereochrist]

@@123themovieman What the fuck does that mean

[@NHunt-g8k]

@@stereochristthat you’re talking about being put to tears because of a fictional video

[@hibiscus779]

I thought the books suggested (well, that was my take on it) that Jon's soul entered his wolf when he died which is how he came back 'whole' after his body was healed. The wolves were the biggest abandoned thing I think

[@arielsclamshellbra]

Jon is still dead in the books, there's no actual evidence of that yet

[@joseaguilar3323]

That was probably what was supposed to happen until D or D read that theory in a reddit post and rushed to change it

[@luisfilipe2747]

​@@arielsclamshellbrawdym yet? You know that's never gonna be a resolution, right? There's never gonna be a next book

[@nox4298]

@@luisfilipe2747what a fucking presumptuous statement. You have no idea if or when the next book will come out you absolute regard

[@JanYaps]

​@@luisfilipe2747 can you keep your pessimism to yourself and let other people have hope for the future of the series

[@kleinesboseskatzchen3768]

The abandoned Jaqen H`ghar-plotline annoys me the most. I think he was a brilliant mysterious and powerful character who could have done much more to lead to a final conclusion

[@wmandthings]

Honestly, I don't really see this as an abandoned plot line at all. There's no such person as Jaqen Hghar, it's the very point of being a faceless man but that's not how people like to enjoy TV shows, it's why certain characters are kept on sometimes when they're planned to be killed off. I would say it would be a mistake even to bring the actor back at all

[@faceyourfate7622]

There could exist the dead faceless agent controlled by king of night

[@miguelquintana8076]

It still pisses me off!

[@Tristyn_Waterman]

​@@wmandthingsbut what was that faceless man who was using the name Jaqen H'ghar doing in westeros? Why was he in the cage? Where did he go and what did he do after he changed his face in front of Arya and gave her the coin?

[@dubstepXpower]

​@@Tristyn_WatermanI like the mystery and wished they hadn't brought him back

[@maxrocketansky]

The entire show was one giant abandoned plot line.

[@LisaAnn777]

I still wonder why Bron went beyond the wall? I know that's probably just a throwaway line lol but it's still interesting.

[@KidFresh71]

To me, the Iron Bank was the most egregious abandoned plot line. I envisioned them as some super powerful mafioso type of organization, and wanted to see the Iron Bank in full retribution mode. Cool that the show touched upon the economic underpinnings of running an empire; but sadly, touching upon the subject is as far as that subplot went. In a grander scale, I have a theory that "A Song of Fire and Ice" was meant to foreshadow the eventual coming together and conclusive rule of Daenerys Targaryen (fire) and Jon Snow (ice). However, too many people figured out that this was the direction the books/show was going, and so the ending pivoted nonsensically in an effort to (ack) sUbVeRt eXpEcTaTiOnS.

[@GreenTimeEagle]

In my beliefs, it is actually the fate of our world that fire will return to the vertical and water return to horizontal, combining with fire as the cross of Fire and Water. Fire symbolises Sun, Spirit. Water symbolises Moon, Material. Our current civilisation prioritises money and materials and the water aspect. It is upside down as Spirit is primary. Both spirit and material are important but Spirit is primary and when the incorrect order is followed, problems arise.

[@GreenTimeEagle]

@@Thantaos9 Do you like Game of Thrones? How about the fact that in the show, the rise of the dragons awakens the magic in the land, seemingly. Similarly, in our world, great deities of a certain lineage are coming back into power. This transition is resisted by opposing deities and in fact they are fighting each other. Spirit and Physical are connected, with the Spirit as primary. What happens in Spirit is reflected in our world of the Physical.

[@yuyutubee8435]

I believe Jon himself _is_ the Song of Ice and Fire. He's half Stark (ice) and half Targaryen (fire), so we don't even need Daenerys to bring the fire.

[@GreenTimeEagle]

@@yuyutubee8435 like the hermaphrodite Godzilla

[@robertmartinu8803]

Granted, the Iron Bank wouldn't likely go for a typical repossession. I'd imagine their retribution to be more subtle. Backing your opponents and taking the Bank's shares of the spoils through them. Shifting the power through renegotiated trade agreements, rerouting commerce into different cities. Pirates getting hints of the escort ships being delayed or crews not in a battleready state. At first unwise lords don't really notice, then its to late.

[@lovelygrey]

You missed Ser Ilyn Payne disapearing after season 2. Also, the last Warg scenes were in season 4 with the Thenns. PS: did you catch when was Loras describing his wedding to Sansa, he mentioned the dress having "french sleeves"? How does anyone in Westeros know what french sleeves are?

[@CultureVultureMedia1]

Oh yeah shoot, Arya's list is sort of abandoned in that it's technically not completed. I suppose the do wrap it up with the Hound talking her out of a hateful life pursing revenge, but to not complete the list is a red hot mistake. I even brought this up in Every Error in Game of Thrones Season 8... Can't believe I forgot that for this video haha

[@PapagenoDispo]

ilyn payne's actor fell ill with cancer and the show runners didn't think he was important enough to keep the plotline going.

[@psyclops973]

@@PapagenoDispo BTW Wilko Johnson, the actor who played Ilyn Payne, passed away in November of last year at the age of 75, almost 6 years after having won the battle against pancreatic cancer, one of the most deadly forms of cancer, with a near 90% mortality rate.

[@scyfal3346]

Im pretty sure Bran wargs into crows in the long night battle in season 8

[@aintnoslice3422]

he says "fringed sleeves" not "french sleeves"

[@shiraya318]

Thank you for reminding me how badly they fumbled the bag with the last 2-ish seasons of Game of Thrones, after 5 years I had almost forgotten my anger about this :)

[@okami-z1b]

The season was bad from season q if u read the books

[@shiraya318]

@@okami-z1b well, I haven't read the books and tbh don't intend to until they're finished (if that ever happens) so I can't speak on that. I enjoyed the first 5ish seasons a lot and still do when I rewatch them ^^

[@themarushin]

Kingslayer Jaime becoming a Queenslayer would have so much sense that D&D "forgot" to write -.-

[@Myth-zd6ko]

You missed that Varys caught and kept the sorcerer that cut him in a box. It was never mentioned again.

[@CultureVultureMedia1]

Haha, I'm just gonna assume that guy escaped together with Ellaria when Danaerys destroyed the Red Keep ;)

[@TimmyTurner421]

Wonder if GRRM will ever mention the sorcerer in the books again

[@neilsun2521]

Yeah, that was really left unresolved wasn't it! Lol.

[@craigmiller4184]

I assumed he got his vengeance. You know he wasn't going to let him go join the high court and have a cup of tea. I think they wanted to save us from unnecessary torture scenes.

[@theredandblueyakuza]

That's not a missed plot point , we saw he got him and was going to get his revenge, what did you want to see? The torture?

[@jonathahot]

At least Zuko got his redemption arc.

[@simonf9160]

Stannis Baratheon is an entire abandoned plot line. He was killed off simply because the writers didn’t know what to do with him past season 5.

[@dqrr4150]

He probably died the same way in the Books

[@carlossalazar3325]

He didn’t even won an on screen death so sad

[@kto_prochel_tot_poshel_nahuy]

@@dqrr4150 even if he dies same way in books, he still has his daughter, which is true heir to the throne, his wife which is dumb but still loves them both, and he still has this guy who went to braavos to buy an army. Also, i don't think stannis will die anyway

[@jaybee1248]

Stannis being the Robert’s heir ws ridiculous in the first place because Robert won the throne by conquest, not by having royal blood.

[@shyguy4317]

And Brienne just randomly found him in the middle of nowhere to personally kill him, like you’re kidding right?

[@generic525]

A major loss could've happened with the time travel loop, the mad king, Bran could have tried to send msgs back about burning all the white walkers but the only msg that got through was "burn them all"

[@EggsandHam-xg2bs]

That actually would have been really cool.

[@kraken2844]

Actually I thought that's what happened... Although more likely that was my imagination

[@tommiasikainen6193]

I have a feeling that this is what Martin intended. Might happen in the books if they’ve ever get completed

[@yourbabytee]

That would’ve been insane!

[@araceli2827]

This theory is very good

[@88Somi]

Ah yes Martin the dude who will ask questions about Aragorn tax politics but he will not explain magic in his works xD

[@Donttrustthatburger5144]

They did my man Jaime dirty. Not only do I have mad respect for the actor who portrays him, but the character also became one of my favorites in the underrated A Feast for Crows. It seemed to me a grim and accurate portrait of war and what it does to a person. The show... Just.... Why?

[@-V-_-V-]

Underrated comment.

[@vashoom]

A Feast for Crows has Jaime burn the letter Cersei sends begging him to come back to her and defend her from the Faith. In the show, he drops everything and goes back to her and dies with her for no real reason, undoing all of his character growth across the entire show, and it is never really commented on....so insane.

[@tristanmleonard]

Jaime’s arc was the most painful abandoned plot line for me

[@Daniel-rp7nb]

I can’t choose most painful, but it’s the ugliest, wasteful, saddening …. He loves his sister, but his arc should have led him to do the right thing..

[@aps81x22]

@@Daniel-rp7nb why though? for the most part it seems that people don't change they just become more of themselves. He was always going to go back to Cercei. Dany was always going to torch King's Landing. Arya was always going to go by herself. Jon was always going to end up going North. Literally none of this is a surprise.

[@Valettam]

Agreed

[@missaniebananie6473]

Oh yeah, ruined the entire show for me

[@kalimbobo]

Jaime's relapse after such a well written near complete redemption arc was so unsatisfying

[@jackcarlos]

People only call out the last season as being the demise of the show, but I'd argue it started going downhill far before that. Season 6 (when they ran out of book material) is when it all unraveled for me

[@somethingelse9228]

All seasons after season 4 have poor writing.

[@greenfistnine]

Depends where the writing left off. The writing for Sansa ended as she was leaving the Vale. Tyrion was on his way to Bravos. John had been killed. Everything beyond where their story left off just tanked the show.

[@H0elessRomantic1]

Yeah, it was about 5th season, when my hype cooled off substantialy

[@Sub0x-x40]

at least season 6 had some banging episodes that were satisfying like dragons in full force

[@JohnnyRaven69]

The last 2 episodes of season 6 are literally the highest rating episodes of all Game of Thrones. So no. I'd say some character writing is tho little bit bad in season 6, but season 7 is the first season when the quality dropped. But i still think season 7 have some good moments. Season 8 other hand.... it's another story lol. Edit. And of course season 5 have some bad moments, but still many great episodes. Hardhome is amazing! Seasons 1-4 perfect television and they follow books, but also season 6 is awesome. At least the second half of the season.

[@SR-jr5nh]

The song of ice and fire is literally a prophesy about the promised prince. A targaryan. As far as we've seen in House of the Dragons his name is Aegon (Jon's real name). Said prince is meant to end with the eternal night a.k. white walkers. Anyway here you go take Arya killing the white king and forget about the Song of Ice and Fire.

[@thekrakensdaughter]

the prophecy doesn't mention a aegon, it just originated with a dream that aegon targaryen the first king of a unified westeros had

[@Thecrimsonking01]

I don't think Jon's real name will be aegon

[@brandf.7691]

@@Thecrimsonking01 I've always thought it would make sense for him to be named Aemon due to it being another common Targaryen name, his parallels with Maester Aemon, and the fact that Aegon was already taken by his brother

[@wingthomaux]

”it just felt right for it to be Arya“ - 🤡

[@Thecrimsonking01]

@@brandf.7691 you're making a good point. I like aemon for the reasons you said and think it's a cooler name. I believe should be Viserys because rhaegar was naming his children after Aegon and the original siblings that conquerd. So Jon would be named after Visenya. So I think Viserys is Jon's real name.

[@eelepage]

"Hold the door" is still one of the most heart shattering phrases in TV history

[@Nick-rs5if]

And he succeeded... 😟😢😭

[@invertedaura1986]

Followed by "It's all in the reflexes"

[@caitpetersen4810]

I came very very close to quitting the show after this episode. It still runs across the back of my mind from time to time.

[@KendallM0219]

This scene has scarred me in the best way possible. It was so emotion evoking that to this day when I think about it I shiver. It breaks my heart to know that his whole life was taken from him for him to sustain to that very moment. It breaks my heart.

[@earthling_parth]

No, it's nowhere near it. Calm your dragons.

[@chriscrocker3976]

Man... this just reminds me what an epic show this was for a while and how badly they just threw it all in the trash.

[@H0elessRomantic1]

It was amazing for like 4-5 seasons, because it felt like there was plenty room for all the mysteries to unfold, and so we waited in anticipation for it. And then there were like 3 seasons left, not much explained, everything was rushed Arya pulled off some Marvel level bs, and then the story was all over. I didn't even bother to finish the series after Varys' execution. At that point, it was such a bs

[@evelynvongizycki1017]

Howland Reed is abandoned! Someone mentioned about everyone in Bran’s crew died but not everybody died. Meera didn’t die and supposedly she went back to her father, and then Howland never makes an appearance, especially when he was so important. He was there at the tower of joy, he was there at the tourney of Harrenhall when Rhaegar crowned Lyanna Stark the queen of love of beauty and was privy to all of the events as Lyanna was defending him, and he probably knew a lot more about what happened there than anyone else. I don’t think it was mentioned in the show but in the book Rob tried to send word to him to make sure that the Lannister‘s didn’t reach the neck, so presumably after Rob died nothing happened, but we hear absolutely nothing even after that dies and Rob dies hell and does nothing. He sends his children, one dies and still does nothing.

[@HeathenHeather]

I think in the books (hopefully) he will be the one to confirm Jon’s heritage. They completely abandoned his mystic in the show. 😭

[@wethepeople1489]

This is true, he’s literally the only person that knows the truth about Jon after Ned died. He was mentioned a few times in the show, and probably would have been brought in eventually if Dave and Dan didn’t convince HBO to wrap up the show in 13 episodes for the final two seasons.

[@manoamana67]

Yes! Where's Howland Reed!!?? Big, big omission.

[@hausoffraaser]

They abandoned the plot point of killing major characters. Will never understand how so many characters survived to the end - especially in huge battles like the long night. I feel like that shows how much the show lost sight of itself + what it was about. That's not to say characters were killed off for the sake of it - but the high stakes, multiple motivations, characters you were rooting for having conflicting goals, etc. It lost it's teeth!

[@blackdragon6]

The same thing happened to The Walking Dead after Glenn Rhee died. The writers got cold feet, and there was no emotional weight to anything anymore. 😒

[@mangersavoir4213]

I think George R.R. Martin just made so many avenues, not even he the author could accurately remember everything.

[@densmorde4520]

He used to like call up the guys in sweden doing the wiki about different relatives to different charachters and such. Which I love that he did.

[@Porcelynnn]

He has 2 assistants to help him with the history keeping! Truly incredible and impressive the world he has built.

[@densmorde4520]

@@Porcelynnn That might be them? Anyway I recall that he talks about them in some interview.

[@Porcelynnn]

@@densmorde4520 no.. his assistants are women and live in the same city as him lol

[@BradloRaul]

This. And that’s why George hasn’t finished that last book. He can’t; not with smoothly and adequately tying up all those threads in a way that’s still good, emotionally satisfying, storytelling.

[@theweeklydaily2024]

Bran being able to literally affect the past was one of the most significant reveals of the show and they did absolutely nothing with it.

[@gelb598]

Some Eren Jaeger type s*** and I love it

[@freeguy3894]

@@gelb598 With attack on titan atleast the whole time travel thing paid off, he looked into the future and saw no other way an all that

[@Sterling_Qrow]

Because he's not SUPPOSED to affect the past....the 3 Eyed Raven is supposed to Observe only NEVER interfere; which is why the 3 Eyed before Bran tried to warn/stop him of interfering because look at what he did to Hodor

[@SeaMob]

​. Spoiler warning? Jeez louise

[@kayleerider9702]

@@SeaMobthis whole video is a spoiler why are you watching it

[@deepdivecinema9403]

The Prince that was promised being an abandoned story arc is the most embarrassing mistake they made lol

[@KevCo174]

Isn't it Jon? He is the one who led the defeat of the White Walkers and it turned out he was royalty. I know they never said it explicitly, but I just figured it was him.

[@ChristianAuditore14]

​@@KevCo174no

[@jes6427]

😅​@KevCo174 the books imply it is Jon yes

[@deepdivecinema9403]

I mean, yeah, it's assumed it's Jon, but in the show its...no one?

[@kennethhall7177]

The princess that was promised was Aria, as she killed the Night King. That was my take anyway.

[@martaxiaoping1261]

And when Arya learns to water dance from the master of swords from Bravos... It looked like they would be something related to this but nothing apart from be laughed at by Sandor.

[@elo_9123]

well she did go to bravos afterwards, there was nothing more to tell

[@alzat._]

Bruh you can't just casually drop the hardest White Walker / Three Eyed Raven edit I've ever seen just like that

[@lilsterss]

Yeah. That actually gave me chills. So good.

[@evawonder2870]

For real!

[@hangonrishabh]

Best one yet

[@SaudiHaramco]

David & Dan before season 5: "all right before we get to the main characters let's think about how we resolve all the other plot lines, shall we?" "Ok. How about Dorne?" "Yeah mhh.. Oh! How about we kill literally every single character?" "I mean that resolves the plot right? Sounds good" "What about Littlefinger?" "He gets killed." "Varys?" "How about... he dies?" "Ilyrio?" "Who?" "Stannis?" "Oh that's easy. He is killed." "Melisandre?" "Dead." "Mance?" "Light him on fire." "The Tyrells?" "Put them all in one place and light it on fire." "The Sparrows?" "Oh i know which place to light on fire." "Cersei and Jaime?" "Well they can die together so it ties back to something..idk" "What about Brienne though?" "Oh yeah she needs to bang Jaime to complete her arc." "The Greyjoys?" "Theon gets redemption by... dying." "Euron and Yara though?" "Euron dies. Yara idk." "The Brotherhood?" "Well Beric can die for good now." "Meereen?" "Everyone who doesn't need to be in Westeros dies." "Braavos?" "Let's just give Arya a power-up and then leave." "The Tarlys?" "Who? Oh Sams family.. they die. Haha Dickon.." "Brans crew?" "All dead? Yes, even Hodor." "Rickon?" "You mean Dickon?" Like... literally every character arc except the 5 main ones either ends with them dying before we really know what's going on or they just stick around and do nothing.

[@Red1Green2Blue3]

GRRM can't even resolve all the plot lines lol hence why we will never see an ending

[@alexx5064]

YESSS, thank you! Season 5 absolutely was the beginning of the end for the shiw

[@zackyvwasin339]

The bolton , the tyrells , the tarlys and etc Were wasted by D&D due to they want to get rid of minor character in very quick ways so they can focus on the main character in Season 7-8 But they still fucked up anyway

[@CacD47]

More thought went into what you wrote here than the whole entire last season.

[@rockybullshite927]

I laughed so hard reading this! 🤌

[@whyitmatterstome]

Of course, this would have been 20 seasons if every plotline was resolved. But, these are all good points.

[@Niccybe]

and absolutely everyone wouldve watched 20 seasons

[@unitempt7975]

If they were good​@@Niccybe

[@H0elessRomantic1]

​@@unitempt7975 they would've been definitely better than the rushed 2 last seasons

[@_aceofspades_]

This is why GRRM wont finish the books, and why everyone hates D&D for the last seasons. GRRM is amazing at creating a huge epic world, with tons of memorable characters, but converging all the plotlines he's made into a solid ending is a nightmare and would take twice as long (and likely still messed up). One of the best parts of GoT is also why it is a huge mess. Book readers will be super mad about this, but for the show the screenwriters really needed to cut characters and plots, including them just left us with a horribly rushed ending that we all hated.

[@JohnnyRaven69]

​@@Niccybe20 seasons equally good as seasons 1-4 😮❤🎉🎉

[@IAmWBeard]

I’d love it if the jon snow show showed him waking up from being stabbed and season 8 was a bad dream

[@brendonross5774]

As he wakes the snow globe falls from his hand and rolls away…

[@Lockieez]

That reminds me of how the really bad season of Community was blamed on a gas leak by a character in the following season.

[@philosopherking506]

I thought the explanation for Podrick and the girls was that he sang to them. The scene in season 8 when everyone was preparing before the battle of the long night showed Podrick surprising everyone with his amazing voice. It was implied that this was his secret to making the girls so happy they refused his payment.

[@meganadams7274]

:O wtf never put thi together

[@meganmeehan1565]

That’s what I surmised as well! Wasn’t 100% about it though. Edit- I don’t think this was a super important thread to continue weaving, though. It was basically fan fiction at this point. I feel that most of the dialogue in the last two seasons were fan fiction or repetitive call backs from previous seasons. So disappointing, coming from a show that had the best writing ever. Smh

[@philosopherking506]

@@Tao_Tology I’m not sure who your comment was directed towards, but I was extrapolating based on the way Podrick and other characters were written in the show. Even Tyrion and Bronn we’re curious and impressed rather than insecure. It seems unlikely that Podrick would be a sexual prodigy having no previous experience with women before that scene in season 3.

[@Tao_Tology]

@@philosopherking506 Lol, no dear (and, please, don't pretend you were in any way confused). People (men) who watched the show/read the books who are _so_ set on knowing 'but....what was the gimmick??'

[@philosopherking506]

​@@Tao_Tology It is unreasonable to assume the motives of other viewers on the basis of your own biases. I could just as easily say, "People (women) who watched the show project their own insecurities and resentments onto the characters and other viewers." but that would not be fair or necessarily accurate. How would such an argument account for people of the opposite sex who also interpreted that plot point in such a way?

[@adelehowarth2334]

The reason there is still a nights watch (and this is mentioned) is because they still need a place for criminals, it acts as a community service in a way.

[@therookie710]

And just because we defeated the enemy we knew. What about the one we don't.

[@Grelipe]

I was never able to verbalize my problem with Game of Thrones but this video perfectly encapsulates all my issues with it, so thank you!

[@CultureVultureMedia1]

Glad to hear it! :D

[@armybear2]

If you read the books, all you have to say is mid way season 3 you know the show makes no sense because the show merged / excluded way too many characters that are all vital for the subplots that affect the main plotline. Its like baking a vanilla sponge cake with no eggs, no yeast, no sugar, no vanilla flavor... Just flour and water. Essentially missing all the key ingredients that make a cake a cake rather than some flat bread.

[@dysmissme7343]

I fucking love how so many of us are STILL bitter/heartbroken enough to make and watch these videos

[@LeeshMa]

The way Petyr Baelish died was perfect. He got outed a liar and a little b*tch. And he died by the hands of Sansa and Arya finally realizing theyre stronger working together while they have never gotten along before.

[@smowka]

YESS! Littlefinger’s death was my absolute favorite in the whole series! He got outmaneuvered by the girl he’d been manipulating for 7 seasons. He didn’t deserve pomp & circumstance - and they even had him on his knees begging by the end ✨chefs kiss✨

[@bertbaker7067]

My older brother spent years waiting for the Wheel of Time series to be finished. When I tried to get him to read ASOIAF he said he will never start another series that isn't complete again. With what the end of the show was and no books on the horizon, I think bro is right.

[@dwightmitchell5109]

yeah, RJ passing was a hard blow. years of waiting, untold lore waiting to be explored...and its all gone .

[@anon2427]

He’s a smart man

[@jakewheeler6014]

That Bran is the Night King edit is amazing. Although i always thought that a cool twist would've been Bran was actually Bloodraven and when the Night King killed him he jumped into Bran's body as his ultimate goal was to get the iron throne and that's why the Night King was after Bran as Bran wasn't the new three eyed raven he is bloodraven.

[@CultureVultureMedia1]

Thank you, I’m glad you enjoyed that part :D

[@rachelraccoon5565]

Now THAT would have made sense!!!

[@airsir9559]

So he gets to spend the rest of his days ruling as a cripple in a wheelchair?

[@losthalo428]

I think that's the biggest reason why Martin takes over 12 years to finish current book: he has too many plotlines to intertwine and make sense of

[@kyleenglot9184]

That tends to happen when you create vast epic fantasy universes. Even Tolkien suffered from this. He had so many stories and plots that were never finished or completed and he died before he could do anything with them. One big one is the brief and mysterious mention of 2 other blue Wizards who are only mentioned in passing when Gandalf remembers that there were 2 other Wizards besides Saruman and Radagast. We know from Saruman's account that he was the last to see these blue Wizards who travelled to the east but were never seen again. They could have died, became evil and fell into the service of Sauron, or had their own intentions that would be good or bad.

[@losthalo428]

@@kyleenglot9184 Blue wizards never were a plot or subplot, they were just a brief mention serving a world enrichment. I liked it, the sense of 2 beings on the power level of Gandalf dissipating in the vastness of the Tolkien world But Martin created so much suspense, so many epic plotlines which demand satisfying conclusions, that expectations are beyond insane

[@tommsey_ttv]

I thought he said he wrote himself into a hole and realised he already killed off the one character who would have helped him get out of it.

[@scottytalkssports]

I genuinely expected more to come from Gendry.

[@zaarm12345]

Well... he F**ked Arya. :D

[@amanduuuh_7117]

right! the war of the 5 kings could continue still with ALL the children and possible heirs. Could have been ramped up after Cersei loses all of her children.

[@crowsoup9953]

Feel like he succumbs to the same thing as Jaime/Brienne - the writers crumble to fan service and just do a cutesy relationship and forget anything interesting about the characters. Ngl I hated Brienne and Jaime's arc because of how they seemed to become nothing but a possible relationship for fans to scream over, and Gendry kinda goes the same way as they have Arya and him hook up before ditching him.

[@sidress1]

Pet theory, the spiral is a fey rune that blocks the vision and power of the three eyed raven. They were painting the north with spirals so the night king could operate unopposed and unmonitored. It was a sinkhole of the three eyed ravens focus.

[@kevinodonnell3425]

That Is the best theory I've heard on it

[@Ayce01]

Probably the correct theory. Anything else doesnt make sense.

[@rellikdloc]

28:28 Arya " how did you survive a knife thru the heart?" Jon "I didn't". YaaaaY!! Lol

[@stormborned]

According to GRRM, each Targaryen king passes the secret knowledge of the song of ice and fire (Aegon’s dream) to their heir. Rhaegar would have been a king, and in the House of the Undying, he looks up at Dany when he says “he is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire.” "His eyes met Dany’s, and it seemed as if he saw her standing there beyond the door.” Time flows very differently in the House of the Undying. Willem Darry ( the kinght who smuggled Dany and Viserys to Essos) and Robb also seem to see Dany. So here Rhaegar is directly passing his knowledge on to Dany, like the other Targaryen kings. This is the ONLY scene like it in asoiaf, the only time a Targaryen (would be) king passes his knowledge of the song of ice and fire onto an heir. “The old woman LOOKED AT DANY almost as if she was afraid. The PRINCE is riding, and he shall be the stallion who mounts the world.” “The stallion is the khal of khals PROMISED in ancient prophecy, child.” GRRM told you who The Prince That Was Promised is in 1996. But what does the stallion have to do with tptwp? The Stallion is very clearly the Dothraki name for Azor Ahai, TPTWP. Every culture has its own version of the same hero. In the Shadowlands beyond Asshai, the people describe ghost grass as “taller than a man on horseback with stalks as pale as milkglass.” The Dothraki claim that one day [ghost grass will] murder all other grass and [glow] in the dark with the spirits of the damned & also claim that when this comes to pass, the ghost grass will “cover the entire world and then all life will end.” The stallion will “ride his khalasar to the ends of the earth,” likely a reference to the north and beyond the wall, and the theme of humanity uniting in Dany’s arc. The Stallion prophecy is positive bc it’s how Dany is will save the dothraki from the long night. Most of people have also been brainwashed by the show into thinking that DRAGON FIRE won’t work on the others bc of the show’s bizarre assertion that somehow dragon glass will work on them but dragon fire won’t lmao.

[@ElectricBuckeye]

Yeah, but its a TV show. Lore goes out the window when fans fall in love with certain characters. Can't follow canon when viewership numbers are at play. It's bullshit, but it will never change. Eventually you will see, if there are future series, "based on the books of George RR Martin". They'll most likely fuck up HOTD, too. Rhaenyra won't be eaten, she'll live and one of her bastard sons as well for fan purposes. Probably have Daemon survive and Lucerys turn up healing in some small fishing village, because it draws people in. Bad guys die and good guys survive. Directors live by that shit because no one likes an open ended or bad ending story. Look at The Sopranos. They learned their lesson. No one knows who killed Tony or if he lived. People called their cable providers bitching that their service went out. It cost money. We saw the same with their "interpretation" of ASOIAF. The fan favorites win and everyone else is shit.

[@6Churches]

Are you saying that this excerpt is telling us Dany is the prince?

[@Blakenew127]

Brilliant analysis and understanding of the story

[@MissRedZelda]

That's show lore, not book lore.

[@MR.Z1991]

George already confirmed that the show canon and book canon are separate. In that scene with baby Aego, Elia, and Rhaegar, I think that was after the maester told Rhaegar and Elia that she couldn't have another child without killing herself. Rhaegar sees a vision of Daenerys and thinks that's his third head of the dragon, his Visenya to go along with Rhaenys and Aegon who were already born. Thus he thinks he must have a child with Lyanna to bring this girl whom he has had a vision of into existence not knowing that it's not his daughter but actually his sister projecting herself into the past same as Bran did with Hodor.

[@cornn-flaek]

"a romance nobody asked for"... I was extremely invested in Brienne and Jaime. I never expected them to end up together and be happy because this is ASOIAF but Brienne was so important to Jaime's arc and he to her's. The good end to Brienne's arc would be to finally receive love, especially from an honorable, kind man that she had originally fantasized was Renly or someone like him. Jaime wasn't perfect, but he was a lot more real than Renly, and he clearly cared for her. And for Jaime, it would have been the perfect end to his redemption to find a love in someone who could not be more different than Cersei. Brienne was kind and truthful and would have loved him in a healthy way. I think being able to see the potential in their love makes him going back to the toxic, all consuming relationship with Cersei all the more tragic. I would not doubt that is really what happens in the books, it was just written very poorly in the show. Brienne was his chance at a normal life, but in the end he couldn't escape his self destruction.

[@cockitchy8373]

you get it omg

[@darensmusic]

yep exactly

[@wethepeople1489]

I think you took what he said to literal. He’s not saying literally nobody wanted it, but I took it as most people didn’t care about it because it was not an integral part of the shows endgame. Had the show gone 13 seasons like HBO wanted it would have been fine to add in, but since the show was so condensed the last 2 seasons it felt like an unnecessary storyline that ate up time and went nowhere.

[@2amBreakfast]

"What would Gilly do if she found out her niece-brothers were the baddies?!" Holy shit 😂

[@riftvallance2087]

Thought the implication was that Pod sang for the prostitutes and were so moved they didn't take his money. There is sort of a reoccurring theme in the series where people with truly good hearts (as few as there are) have naturally beautiful singing voices.

[@AlecDinkleshit-yo5np]

Bronn had a great singing voice and he was pretty morally corrupt.

[@riftvallance2087]

@@AlecDinkleshit-yo5np Ya but is he really morally corrupt. He talks a big game about how bad he is but do we ever really see him behave in the manner he likes to portray himself. I'd argue the opposite, bronn is almost always acting compassionately. From saving Jamie from a suicidal charge against a dragon, too defending Tyrion when no one else would, to getting rid of the criminals before the seige of kings landing to protect the vulnerable. He doesn't even cheat on his fiance whith the sand snake he sings for. I even think the implication of him bringing Shae to tryrion's tent was that he rescued her from an aggressive lanister. I think the entire point of Bron being shown to have a decent singing voice is a way of subtly letting the audience know he's not as bad as he likes to pretend he is.

[@brendancostello9777]

@@riftvallance2087 Great insight re character development/depiction. Bronn also actually helps those he serves, as opposed to "helping' in ways that undermine or even harm the recipient of help. Plus he's got great lines. "You pay me to kill people you don't like. Evil notions come free."

[@Ariana-wv4pf]

@@riftvallance2087Bronn is not morally corrupt. He is a good guy who says a lot of mean shit. He is materialistic and a social climber but he does have compassion and honour.

[@densmorde4520]

Pod becoming like a butler for like Marjory or Sansa putting bastards in their bellies would have been awesome.

[@Stubysz]

The editing after Brann says "you were exactly where you were supposed to be" is amazing

[@CultureVultureMedia1]

Glad you liked that part :D

[@ToruCoD]

@@CultureVultureMedia1 holy fucking shit that was cinematic

[@shanijuabyrd7656]

I fast forwarded that part in the show when I watched it because I was so annoyed by that point, so I was so confused 😂 I literally thought the edits were real and that I just missed that part 😂

[@snow7639]

It has been many years and this video still gets 1.7 million watched lol One of the biggest betrayal in the TV history 😅

[@kristianbasile7141]

OK but the night's watch was always way more of a way to banish lords without killing them. No one believed it actually had a purpose outside the north which was why it was so understaffed.

[@danielcastaneda4975]

What the fuck ? What the hell dude. The nights watch literally stopped the first long night along with the starks and it was a deal between white walkers and starks . Probably the night watch was even created by the white walkers after they returned north. Because they were winning somehow they made a deal with westeros to stop the fight and he wall was made always needing a night king , this being a stark and being married to a white walker. There is a lot more about the nights watch connected to rhaegar Targaryen , the song of ice and fire and the starks along with the old ones. It's not just a " way to banish lords "

[@davorzdralo8000]

​@@danielcastaneda4975yes, and that was a thousand years ago, which was all pretty much forgotten by the time GoT happens.

[@danielwood8135]

@@danielcastaneda4975 No one actually believed that to be true though

[@danielcastaneda4975]

@@davorzdralo8000 in got world yes but the dude knows so he shouldn't act like if that´s all there is to it even more so if all these things are important in the present in got books , for a reason there is that story and lore , john snow and other might connect to that .

[@Raz893]

Sure, but in-universe, why would the night's watch continue doing that? F that shit, there's so many empty castles and broken families looking for missing heirs around

[@mdHugh]

I finally got over the last couple of seasons... thank you for making me relive my frustrations and trauma

[@TheAaronRodgersTao]

A lot of this is nitpicky… oh boy… you’re spot on some of the time though.

[@KashWill9]

This is hilariously sad, this show actually could’ve been phenomenal if even half of these abandoned plot lines were not missed by the show. Thank you for addressing these inconsistencies and plot holes ❤😂

[@MLPDethDealr32]

It continues to show that Dan and Dave should be mocked relentlessly for what they did to this series.

[@blackdragon6]

​@guymontag5084 the irony is that they didn't even get the star wars job 😭.

[@dicarpio2177]

The t tree heirs that the little finger who was executed was actually a faceless man (supported by little fingers conversation with the mystery girl in the dark) seemed like a genuine plot line they just changed their mind about

[@the21stsergeant]

Tyrion and Sansa never consummated their marriage, so I don't believe that it is legitimate or legally enforceable.

[@justynetubbs211]

Bingo!! That's what Ramsay says when he marries Sansa. The marriage to Tyrion was not valid, because it was never consummated.

[@baseformrolf6710]

I feel like tyrion saying all the things he said during the trial was more of him just letting loose of all his frustration and suffering, not necesarly of him turning evil lmao

[@bertramusb8162]

Then he kills Shay and his father and then goes on to be a very good boy™

[@britt5650]

in the books Tyrion does turn a lot darker

[@danielcastaneda4975]

You are wrong. Why ? Because of how Tyrion changes after that in the books . So yeah , you are wrong , not that smart

[@davorzdralo8000]

​@@danielcastaneda4975wtf does that have to do with the show? It's not the same goddamn universe.

[@danielcastaneda4975]

@@davorzdralo8000 look a full grown up crying LOL

[@oscarnilsson4906]

A show don't need to answer every question, and the minor ones are no point in allocating time on. But the Long Night anti-climax, Daenerys descent in such an awfully portrayed way and the abandonment of character driven focus are unforgivable :( can't imagine how the actors felt by this

[@dearpat]

OMG!!! Jon's ressurection paid by Shireens death. Never thought that way. 🤯

[@Chessheromusic]

Actually lil finger was bankrupting the realm and as many lords as possible to own their debt This was big gain of power

[@l.c.7445]

This is what some people would call a vintage jewish move

[@rhiannejones3815]

But the Iron Bank plot line didn’t go anywhere either so it’s still a moot point

[@murphy7801]

​@@l.c.7445amateur compared to old European families

[@bigcountry9486]

I had a conversation with my two buddies for three hours the other night at 1 am over a few joints and it’s incredible how much of the history the didn’t follow through on

[@randall517]

I just cant bring myself to rewatch it. Great show but the massacred it in the later seasons.

[@GenJuhru]

That aftertaste just leaves a strong impression

[@Thummpur26]

I’m actually rewatching the first few seasons for the second time. And spread out enough it isn’t bad. I just literally end it after season 6 episode 10 and read fan endings :)

[@AcidPhos69]

Same. I tried but I just got annoyed knowing how utter bullshit the show became.

[@clevelandlawrence]

That’s where I’m at.

[@hackett152332]

I just watch the first few seasons and imagine the rest

[@bjorktime1338]

I always thought the perfect ending to the show would be Varys and Little Finger having one last conversation in the back of the Iron Throne room, after surviving everything. The room could be in ruins or whatever, but they end up bowing to each other for a game well played. Instead, they both became these non-factors that were killed off for understandable reasons, but could've been used so much better in the last 2-3 seasons.

[@airsir9559]

That sounds like the cheesiest fuckin’ thing…

[@TheRukisama]

@@airsir9559 Dude managed to come up with a worse ending than D&D, which is quite a feat.

[@moent00]

That would be a terrible ending.

[@mattiaachille233]

Disgusting. 🤮 Littlefinger is a sex trafficker and Varys a schemer and plotter that plunged the realm into war twice. Prostitutes in the books are not treated well in Westeros. The Courtesans in Braavos are.

[@hackett152332]

Nah the perfect ending would be Varys and Little Finger have a one on one fist fight, and Varys punches Lil finger so hard he is empaled on the iron throne

[@aggienatl]

Terrific breakdown. It was definitely the closure that I needed.

[@FernandoStarkTargaryen]

“I was rewatching Game of Thrones for the 8th time. You know, as you do” BEST LINE EVER 😂 so relatable and I feel very seen

[@darthinkarnatus7264]

That was so true for me before season 8 released… I haven’t been able to binge through it since… (I watched the series 8-9 times before season 8 came out, now I can’t even make it through season 5) 😢😢😢

[@ЭйденПирс-н8ф]

@@darthinkarnatus7264 Why? The first 4 seasons are quite self-sufficient, at least because of the storylines of Tyrion, Tywin, Robb, Arya, etc.

[@FernandoStarkTargaryen]

@@darthinkarnatus7264 I feel the same way. This video made me realize how much I dislike season 8 because I barely rewatch that season. I like rewatching from season 1 - 4, 5 is where I fall off a little bit and six is a hit and miss for me on some aspects. I think that’s why rewatching the show is kind of lackluster, knowing how it ended. It just really sucks 😂😅

[@carastone3473]

Me too!! I’ve binged several times!

[@C-White-88]

​@@darthinkarnatus7264same . I watched season 1-6 so many times but I can't make myself rewatch season 7 and 8. The first 4 seasons are definitely so much better than the rest of the show.

[@lee-daniels]

I was pissed the symbols meant nothing

[@msforest833]

Same.

[@Nathan-jh1ho]

It actually symbolizes everything in the show going down the toilet

[@XSeeOhZeeX]

26:51 the best edited cut of any game of thrones montage. I've rewound and watched a hundred times and laugh out loud to myself every single time.😂

[@AlexLee-dc2vb]

I haven't watched a single episode or read a single page since the finale, and it's been years since I saw a video about GoT. These characters and plotlines hadn't even entered my thoughts for a LONG time. This video made me realize that I forgot why I used to be so obsessed with the series. This was good content.

[@ynraider]

"House of Dragons" is as good as S1->5...

[@MLPDethDealr32]

im still reading the first book. X_X i got half way a few years ago and put it down for a bit.

[@zachary3367]

​@@ynraiderfor now...

[@zaarm12345]

@@ynraider Wrong. It's an extremely boring show.

[@zoalina]

"Other major deaths" *Proceeds to show the scene where Rickon doesn't know how to fucking zigzag*

[@joeyken81]

Seriously! This pissed me off as much as anything from the show and that says a lot. Not even looking back to see where the arrow was in flight and simply moving out of its trajectory

[@Daniel-rp7nb]

This whole section made no sense to me - rickon not able to dodge a long falling arrow, Jon’s forces attacking like a rabble, with no tactics, allowing that slow moving encirclement- the wildlings are highly mobile, it’s crazy they get pinned down - the battle of the bastards have some cool visuals but made sense as a battle

[@tysto79]

This is simultaneously a great video and deeply upsetting and frustrating to watch. So thanks, I guess

[@CultureVultureMedia1]

Haha, glad to hear it ;)

[@Maehedrose]

"I was binging Game of Thrones for the 8th time, as you do" - a very true statement, at least the first four seasons, after that it starts going downhill.

[@voodeuxsfilmsmore7081]

6 was an amazing season.

[@StefunnyStrange]

“I did what any sane person would do and dedicated a few months of my life compiling a list.” 😂

[@jhhh888]

"Everything we would have learned more about if the series wasn't rushed and ended too soon." George RR Martin said the show could last for at least 13 seasons, which is so obvious it's sad to think about now.

[@AxelQC]

The story was obviously leading to Jon and Dany marrying and uniting the realm by restoring Targaryen rule. D&D decided that was too obvious, so they jumped the track without any build up and gave us a ridiculous finish, valuing the surprise more than the hardwork of plot development.

[@therealchannelrap]

Well by saying this you, along with D&D are assuming the ending. Martin has no ending yet and ill be damned if we get one as of this rate. Dude is too arrogant to make and ending similar to something else. That's why its been this long to actually know an ending.

[@AxelQC]

D&D said that Martin told them the ending and they wrote to it. Martin can't finish his novels because the ending was so poorly received that he has to think of a new one.@@therealchannelrap

[@alexs1640]

@@AxelQC I agree that he supposedly told them this ending with Bran as the king, but they did no build up to it. However, I very much doubt he would change them in his novels because it was poorly received. He will build it up a lot better than D&D did and it will make sense, I assume. But let's be real, we aren't going to get the ending, it took him this long to write the 6th book, it's gonna take him over 2 decades to write the last one. He'd be well over 95 years old at that point.

[@alpha_berchermuesli5975]

Dumb and dumber didnt decide anything but to throw it all.

[@XxLeCaptainxX]

"obviously" I don't know about that. Dany was written from the get-go as an "enlightened despot" type of person, a dictator that's first among equals and attempts to purge entire classes (as she tried to do with the slaveowners in Essos). The entire story is about how the pursuit of power ruins you and the people around you. All in all I don't think the ending was wrong in general concept. it's just that it was rushed by the showrunners and sucked.

[@francissimard315]

You make me remember how i Looooooooved that series until the last season or so,... now for me it is history and I look down on it because the last season ruined all my fond memories of the show.

[@richarddoan9172]

At least you loved seven seasons. I only loved four.

[@Alientcp]

The show gave us many would-be heroes, we thought for many seasons who they might be, but the show gave us our hero, he was hiding under our noses and we never notices. Podrick freaking Payne. The real hero.

[@echinorlax]

Many of those could be simply bundled together under "The writing in last two seasons was abysmally bad, with last two episodes of the show being the apex of incompetence".

[@wethepeople1489]

Yes the writing was bad, but the condensing of the show was the real issue. HBO wanted to go 12 or 13 seasons, but they somehow, someway let David and Dan convince them that they could wrap it all up in 13 episodes for the last 2 seasons. A huge blunder from HBO, David and Dan wanted out and HBO was too scared to bring in other people to continue the show, so they agreed to let them wrap it up in 13 episode’s. This is why all the plot lines were closed out unanswered, they didn’t have the time in the condensed 13 episodes. But yes, the writing sucked as well because Benioff and Weiss thought they were more clever than George R.R. Martin with plot twists and “subverting expectations” as they put it. They were exposed as a couple of hacks after they ran out of the book material.

[@SaraTiggs]

Little Finger was the one who had to explain what the Faceless Men were to Sansa, or it was at least implied that he very much knew who and what they were and how they operated. In the episode where he dies(or perhaps the one before that), he's seen paying some messenger off and then parting ways. There was a fan theory at the time that the Littingfinger that Arya killed was just a Faceless Men, but this idea was also abandoned. It would also explain the uncharacteristic-like begging just before his end.

[@grigoregruesome3606]

You thought his begging was a characteristic? The guy was a wiener. He knows he’s a wimp and makes sure he’s never anywhere near the front lines while still making moves to get the power he craves. So yeah when he’s looking death in the eye he shits himself because he’s suddenly completely powerless and and there’s nothing left for him to do but beg. Needless to say I hate this character like a lot and the only bad part about him dying is that it was too quick.

[@marcobelli6856]

Manipulators are like that of course he would beg when he thinks he cannot do anything anymore. But if he was spared he would start scheming again for sure. The begging was his last act but it didn’t work.

[@javierfernandezabad1357]

You get the point, I though the same about Littlefinger's death

[@cellorosemusic12]

This video brought up my old game of thrones wounds man!!! Boy did the ending hurt 😢😢😢 Thanks for the vid!

[@CultureVultureMedia1]

My pleasure! Glad you liked it :)

[@alejandrogiha7583]

Honestly, after they run out of book material, game of thrones is no longer worth the watch. Its basically fan fiction.

[@NikolaPasic-is9pu]

10 year old fan. Or 70 IQ fan. You choose.

[@philingrouille7198]

To be fair with the Night's Watch, they haven't been seen as an honourable organisation for years by the time of the series; they're seen more as a glorified penal colony. The Watch will still be used as a place to send criminals. May as well still use it.

[@CoconutCat1]

Can we talk about how during the battle of winterfell they had a whole strategy of ‘luring the night king out with brann’ but they have no plan for when he actually is out, they just get lucky that Arya is there. Their entire plan revolves around the white walkers breaching their defenses, but have no plan in place or contingency to deal with the night king. Also they said “we can’t be too close to Brann or the night king won’t come.” Then they literally tightly surround him

[@jfgibson73]

The one that bothered me most was leaving Ellaria in the dungeon. Not sure why, but I needed followup one way or the other.

[@CultureVultureMedia1]

She might still be out there, we don’t know!

[@Ooogeezy]

I wanted scenes where Cersei had no one left to talk to but the people she was torturing and she’d just be venting to herself

[@mayalevine2898]

Dany kind of forgot about Ellaria

[@CultureVultureMedia1]

@@Ooogeezy that would've actually been really cool! Love that

[@maci7642]

I mean I think it’s implied that she died. Tyene died from the long goodbye, Ellaria watched her perish. Then subsequently she probably died from starvation or thirst in between that episode and the time when King’s Landing fell. Either way, she’s dead.

[@andreassopart2107]

Not only did you dissect the terrible handling of all these plotlines, but also came up with answers on your own on possibilities they could have went down, which would all have been significant better than what we got (Obviously, since what we got was terrible in every way). Imagine one person being able to do this, and then the whole team of GoT, couldnt give us anything at all . Truly a tragedy how they just threw everything out the window, after Season 4. It shows how little passion everyone involved had by the end, compared to someone like yourself. Great video, like & subscribed mate.

[@rileymarie1940]

Considering the topic of this video I'm surprised it's only 35 minutes

[@whypothetical]

I was under the impression that the White Walkers are never truly permanently defeated and they will always come back some day and that's why the Night's Watch never dissolves.

[@Maverick7613]

I mean... individual WWs clearly die... they get blasted into a thousand shards of ice by dragonglass or Valyrian steel weapons... But the creation of new WWs never truly died so long as The Night King existed - but as he was the ultimate source of the curse of the WW, when he died, they all died with him.

[@jerseygirl3109]

That Bran edit gave me chills. Would've been a great twist!

[@LRJrthe2nd]

Poddrick laid it down so passionately then sang to the babes.

[@ariannevenancio8994]

The Vale was so neglected that you also forgot about it, how did the sickly Lord Robert become healthy?

[@SigmaLibra]

Probably by exercising out in the fresh air rather than being coddled by his mommy. That relationship had Munchhausen by proxy written all over it.

[@maevependragon]

​@@SigmaLibraYeah I was thinking maybe he finally did by starting real food with more nutrients since his mom was shoved through the moon door...

[@wowkir]

Well this was depressing. And very well put together, by the way! I wrote my master thesis on masculinity in A Song of Ice and Fire, and I focused on Jaime Lannister. By far my favourite character. It’s such a fucking crime what they did to him in the show.

[@CyberChrist]

With fries, please ;)

[@Redmenace96]

Comparing the show to the books, right? I need to go back and read the books. The show did such a great job of developing JL in the first half, that now my memory is confused about what I remember from the books and what I remember from the show. I'm going back to read it. JL was a fantastic character.

[@timwalker7027]

I’m interested in reading that. How can we go about getting that done?

[@wowkir]

@@timwalker7027 My thesis? Haha you’re welcome to but I only have a paper copy these days.

[@obryn]

I'm impressed it's your 8th time binge-ing GoT. I can't even do it once because of the ending.

[@Keithjmcc]

John is the prince that was promised. He was Targaryen. He was a stark of the north, and he was a white from beyond the wall.

[@Chessheromusic]

Another plot line abandoned Jon clearly not healing from his wounds And not really eating Even being a lil colder and darker putting to death Ollie who was a child and used for his pain of his family Up to the point Jon chose mercy He says I failed I thought I did what was right and they killed me for it But show Although I’m a firm believer Mr Martin struggled with the ending of winds of winter bc of the reception of the ending that was rushed but a lot it is def his ending for the characters Danys first judgement is to burn mirri alive just like daddy And you can say well it’s revenge but mirri tried to save drogo It was dany being brought into the tent that made her son part of the ritual And she only promised to save his life not what kind of life It could’ve been danys greatest lesson and where she departs from her father But!!!!! She says “I will hear you scream” This is who she is

[@jeffseidl]

Sooooo weird to take Miri Maaz Duri side in this 😂 clearly not that familiar with the story

[@EL-ISS]

​​@@jeffseidlEven in the book it's left open to see and possibly take Mirri Maz Dur's side. When Dany is angry with her and asked why Mirri betrayed her after she saved her, Mirri replies with something along the lines: "Save me? What did you save me from? By the time you arrived, they had already killed my patients and burned down my temple. One of the boys killed no more than 3 or 4, one who I saved from fever! What did you save me from? I was r*ped half a dozen times when you found me with the man who'd been the seventh. Why would I save your son, the Stallion who was to Mount the World? Countless lives were saved due to his death." So though Mirri Maz Dur never really tried, she had VERY good reason not to. She wasn't evil, in fact she was a peaceful healer woman who lived with peaceful people (Followers of the Great Shepherd), that the Dothraki then took advantage of. That's one of the main themes of her character and one that teaches Dany a very important lesson. Just because Dany saved one person, doesn't mean sh*t when countless around her are dying by the same or similar means and doesn't make her a good person. Nor does doing questionable things for the greater good necessarily mean she's evil. Everyone has reason to act as they do in times of war and great turmoil.

[@jessemansfield9992]

Jon is ice and fire!

[@kafkateee]

no it’s dany confirmed by george rr martin himself