Cuman Diaspora in the Hungarian Kingdom: 1242-1285

[@JoeSanHUN]

Wow, as a Hungarian, I have to say, that we never learned this in our history school lessons (or just really short) so thank you! :) Fun fact: we call "Kun" the cumans, and still there are 2 larger plain inside Hungary, named as nagyKUNság, and kisKUNság, which means shorter and greater cuman territory and we have a lots of cities which even named after the cumans (KUNhegyes = cuman hills, KUNmadaras = cuman bird, KUNfehértó = the white lake of the cumans, in raw translation).

[@luongo7886]

In Magyarország today, are there some Magyarok who still look very Asian or had their Asian looks disappeared after marrying the local population?

[@JoeSanHUN]

@@luongo7886 yes, if you come to hungary, you cannot make a difference who comes from China and who is local 😃😃😃 of course not, we looks like as other europeans like for ex. germans 😃 I think the last time when you could recognise some asian influence was around 10.th century.

[@luongo7886]

@@JoeSanHUN Köszönöm. I have been to your beautiful Magyarország twice and I want to live there. Beautiful land and beautiful people. But every Magyarok knows that their ancestors are from the Far East and Central Asia, right? -- With love from Việt Nam

[@JoeSanHUN]

@@luongo7886 we know that the ancestors of the Hungarians came from around the Ural hills which is in the European/Asian border. But during the centuries there were any slavian, german and even mediterranian influence, so nowdays generically the Hungarians are the mix of those (only 4-5% is the asian genes). We know that our basic ancient words are finno-ugric, but our old culture based on nomad-equestrian tribes.

[@AllahCat7889]

@@JoeSanHUN ive met a hungarian who had central asian features.

[@WhiteFalcon_EA]

Very nice video, I loved that. Cumans was very interesting and influential from Kharezmian lands to Europe

[@bulganavarzed7031]

Fascinating narrative! I discovered it recently and follow further. Thanks for sharing your knowledge in history of mongols.

[@anthondeutsch3133]

Discovered your channel today, you are fantastic. I have learned alot thank you.

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Welcome! That is kind of you to say, and exactly my goal!

[@dancemonkey118]

I'm kuman kıpchak Turkish too 🙋 My grandfather told me that,we are kıpchak Turkish who came from Crimea. He told me that,His Grandmother was still talking kuman Turkish.

[@teovu5557]

The modern Kumandy of Siberia still use the name..

[@ugurbocugunungunlugu638]

Nerelisin

[@dancemonkey118]

@@ugurbocugunungunlugu638 Gaziantep

[@ugurbocugunungunlugu638]

@@dancemonkey118 orda kuman Kıpçak varmı yaahuu

[@dancemonkey118]

@@ugurbocugunungunlugu638 Çok. Antepdeki Türklerin çoğu kafkaslardan gelen Türkler.

[@arslanchampion5852]

Hello from Cuman of Kazakhstan!

[@arslanchampion5852]

@Hungarian Cuman Where are you from? What city or province?

[@arslanchampion5852]

@Hungarian Cuman I have several questions that interest me. 1. How did you manage to preserve national identity over the centuries? 2. How do you distinguish the Cumans from the Magyars? 3. What unites you? 4. Tell us in detail what religious beliefs the Hungarian Cumans adhere to? 5. Do the Hungarian Cumans have organizations that support them in humanitarian terms? I would be very grateful if you answer these questions. In turn, I am ready to listen to any questions that interest you.

[@arslanchampion5852]

@Hungarian Cuman Thanks for answers! And also for not forgetting your roots! Yes, the Kipchaks in Kazakhstan speak Kazakh. Kazakh language is a dialect of the Kipchak language. Most of the Kipchaks in Kazakhstan consider themselves part of the Kazakh people. Large diasporas of the Kipchaks live in Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and other countries. It always amazes me that despite the fact that the Kipchaks have long been a part of different peoples, they do not forget that they are Kipchaks - Kumans. By the way, I consider the Kumans and Kipchaks to be different names of one people. How do you think? Another question: do you know about the steppe country that existed at one time - Desht-i-Kipchak?

[@TheIronHordesman2]

@@arslanchampion5852 I am a Crimean Tatar ethnically. My ancestors aswell are the Cumans. Salute to you my Kipchak brother!

[@arslanchampion5852]

@@TheIronHordesman2 hello, bro!

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

The Cumans! Famously they fled into Hungary to escape the Mongols in the late 1230s- but did you know that was neither the beginning, nor the end of their interaction with the Hungarian Kingdom, and that their influence grew ever greater in the thirteenth century? This video looks at their role in Hungary in this period, and how it lead to the return of Mongol forces under Nogai to hungary in 1285, which is covered in a new video by my friends at Kings and Generals, which you can check out here: More from Jackmeister on the Cumans: Who were the Cuman-Qipchaqs?; kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3mzYYSQmZand6M The Kalka River battle: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqa8nZl-qs-rh9E My Patreon, who got this video early: www.patreon.com/jackmeister Thanks to my friend Michal Holeščák from the Slovak Academy of Sciences: you can read some of his archaeological work on the Cumans, Mongols and Medieval Hungary and Slovakia here: sav-sk.academia.edu/MichalHole%C5%A1%C4%8D%C3%A1k

[@ajithsidhu7183]

Do one on the sikh empire pls and invasion of afganistan and 1st anglo sikh wars

[@WebertHest]

Cool topic (I'm Hungarian, though a much later germanic transplant). Do you read Hungarian, or did someone translate it for you?

[@inxxxes]

cumans strike Hunagry with mongols " Carmen miserabilis" by Rogerius .

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

@@WebertHest I had some very kind assistance from Hungarian and Slovak historians and archaeologists with this video and the one for Kings and Generals. I don't read Hungarian unfortunately, so the Hungarian language article I used, I ran it through Google Translate to get a rough idea of certain passages, and then with the assistance of a Hungarian speaker, got a better translation of the sections which caught my interest (rather than ask him to translate the entire article for me).

[@jawa8317]

Really great video, it's such a shame it's so unappreciated with only 600 like. Wish u best!

[@rontron418]

where have you been The Jackmeister! Mongol history! You have a loyal subscriber from now on!

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Welcome home, son

[@Artur_M.]

Great! I hope you'll make a video about the Lipka Tatars one day.

[@Kaaxe]

listening to this while playing the cuman campaign in Age of Empires 2, very relevant

[@WhisperChill]

Kun (Cuman) and Kunos (Cumanlike) are common family name in hungary.

[@valentinovidiucornea4525]

I Know! Bela Kun is an example!!!

[@kisslolo96]

@@valentinovidiucornea4525 He is an exception. He just "hungarianised" his original name Bela Kohn. He had jewish ancestors.

[@valentinovidiucornea4525]

@@kisslolo96 You may be right, but there are Kisskun and Nagykun in Hungary. Or am I wrong?

[@atillaturk3986]

@@kisslolo96 but, many of Hungary Jewishs , maybe Total of them, are from KABAR tribe of jewish KHAZAR TÜRK nation........from JEWİSH KHAZAR TÜRK EMPİRE..........Some of them are from JEWİSH KUMAN Türks. Because, at KHAZAR EMPİRE period,Some Kuman Türks accepted Jewish religion........Please learn this historical fact......

[@aryanbaghlani6144]

​@@valentinovidiucornea4525 I'm Kibchap from Afghanistan 🇦🇫 love you all Kibchaps people around the world ❤❤❤

[@woff1959]

Very interesting, many thanks!!

[@woff1959]

Can I be picky and make a request? Would you mind please giving Hungarian kings/historical persons and places Hungarian names? You see, it is the custom in the West to use German or Slav names, but the origin of this whole thing goes back to a very dark time, which you'll be familiar with in your Mongolian research, namely scientific racism. The idea was that 'barbarian' peoples like the Hungarians, Mongolians and many others were incapable of building cities, towns or anything, and therefore if there were 'barbaric' names, then these should be replaced by those of 'civilised' people like say, the Germans. So Szombathely becomes Steinamager, Buda becomes Ofen, and so on. Ladislaus is a Polish form of the name, but the king was in fact László (LAHS-LOW) and so why not use his name? Thanks!

[@Mohammed_Angler]

Wow, a new masterpiece is up. Gonna watch 'em all

[@YY-ug9mv]

High quality awesome video entertaining and teaching.

[@fatihkoc7075]

Great Episode! The Cumans... They are probably one of most loved nomads ever, Recently their fame has gone up with the game of Kingdom Come Deliverance and AOE2. They are tall(like 2 meters) Blonde - Blue eyed and that ice-cold helmet makes them probably the coolest looking nomads. Also they spread to everywhere and declared their own states! Mamlukes - Second Bulgarian Empire and others...

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Fatih Koç Subutay Tuvan

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Fatih Koç also Wallachia,Despotate of Dobruja,Tsardom of Tarnovo

[@fatihkoc7075]

@@papazataklaattiranimam That's what i meant when I say "others"

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Fatih Koç Vlad Dracula was of Cuman origin🧛‍♂️

[@inxxxes]

you find cumania and bugeac on romania flag heraldry

[@avivadar4979]

As always, fire!

[@UmayAltyn]

Proud to be kipchak türk!

[@nadiravc5958]

O zaman Türkçede buluşunda yorumlarınızı Niye ingilizce yazıyorsunuz ? Hiç bir ingilizi Türkçe yazı yazarken gòrdünüz mü , Birazda batı Merak edip Türkçe konuşsun veya yazsın... Şu bir gerçekki; şairlerimiz Der ki; şark şu kıytırık,batıya meraklı olduğu kadar... Binlerce yıllik ,yüksek kültüre sahip TÜRK medeniyetine ve kültürünü Benimsememiştir.. 350 milyonluk dev bir pazarız ve kesinlikle ne manevi nede Ticari değerini halâ bilmiyoruz... Turist olarak gelip gitmeyi saymıyorum bile !!.. Teşekkürler... 🇹🇷🇧🇬🇹🇲🇦🇿🇦🇿🇫🇮🇧🇾🇳🇪🇹🇯

[@Horusian]

@@nadiravc5958 Aptalsın. İngilizce dünya dilidri ve videonun içeriği ingilizce yapılmıştır. Yorumlar dünyanın her tarafından insanlar tarafından ortak dil olan ingilizce yapılmıştır. Sokacam sizin o aptal cahil ülkü ocaklarınıza.

[@سلمانقتل]

👍 good video

[@silentone11111111]

Cool deep dive .

[@kuko331]

Funny In my country slovakia cumans(polovtsi) polovec means hunter, amazing 👏

[@testet79]

Yes 👍

[@nurithegolden5755]

Very interesting

[@teovu5557]

Are they related to the modern turkic Kumandy/kumandin and Kumyk people of Russia?

[@teovu5557]

@wratch Two major Turkic languages spoken in Siberia, Siberian Tatar and Southern Altaian. Yeneseian Turkic or southern altaian which is Kyrgyz-Kipchak subgroup within the Kypchak languages (which Kumandy and Teleuts belong to), are part of the Kipchak subgroup, not the Siberian Turkic. Siberian Tatar/Turkic language are the Sayan Turkic/North Siberian like Dolgan,Sakha,Tuvan,Tufa,Dukhan lol You could of just googled that fact......

[@teovu5557]

@wratch no such thing as southern altai turkic? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Altai_language

[@Alejandro-te2nt]

there needs to be a black metal album about the rebellion of 1282 against the cuman laws

[@kolsveinnskraevolding]

There needs to be more Death and Black Metal about Qipchaks and Mongols in general. We're a thousand times more brutal than a bunch of pussies from Scandinava who couldn't even conquer some tiny island in the North Sea after 3 fucking centuries.

[@piotrgrzelak2613]

@@kolsveinnskraevolding I mean they did conquer it eventually. And Sicily. And South of Italy. And Palestine.

[@kolsveinnskraevolding]

@@piotrgrzelak2613 If you mean the Normans, they're hardly Vikings. And no, the Normans also failed to conquer Scotland. Also, I have no idea where you got the idea that the Normans conquered Palestine.

[@piotrgrzelak2613]

@@kolsveinnskraevolding Vikings aren't an ethnicity, but an occupation, Norse are one. The rest is your opinion. Check who were the actual leaders of the first crusade as well as their soldiers

[@kolsveinnskraevolding]

@@piotrgrzelak2613 The Normans had largely rejected their Norse heritage, so it isn't my opinion. Even if you want to argue that the presence of Normans makes the Crusades a uniquely 'Norman' affair (it doesn't), it still doesn't change the fact that there was no Norman principality in Palestine.

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Cumania😻😻😻

[@inxxxes]

you find cumania and bugeac on romania flag heraldry

[@MetalHeadViking]

The JackMeister and K&G is probably THE Crossover of the YEAR!

[@Nomadicenjoyer31]

Cumans😍

[@sportsfisher9677]

just subscribed

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Cumans found Basarab,Asen,Sratsimir,Terter and Shishman Dynasties

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Also Cumans found Bahri dynasty,Ilbari dynasty,Tughlaq dynasty too

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Alex Sunderland not all one :)))

[@user-gy5er6wh2j]

Don't forget the Hunyadi, they were founded by Cuman nobles.

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

@@user-gy5er6wh2j really?

[@user-gy5er6wh2j]

@@papazataklaattiranimam yeah they were Cuman nobility from Wallachia who migrated into Transylvania after the fall of the second Bulgarian Empire and served in Sigismund's army, and were givin the status of nobility, and the county of Vajda-Hunyad where the name Hunyadi comes from. Some theorize he was the bastard of Sigismund who was given over to the Cumans to raise.

[@el_vago]

"Latinized form of El-Temur?" maybe alp temir (hero iron)?

[@atillaturk3986]

There are still 75.000_80.000 christian KUMAN_KIPÇAK Türks in Hungary......in NagyKUNSAG and KisKUNSAG regions........but, They forgot KUMAN TÜRKİSH.......The last KUMAN TÜRK who spoke Kumanish died at 1804......... unfortunately..... Anyway........ Some of them (75.000 _80.000) still remember their Kuman_Kıpçak Türk origins.......Although their majority forgot their Türk roots......

[@LucasDimoveo]

Is this a collaboration with Kings and Generals? You two are posting a video on Hungary on the same day! edit: Never mind! The question was answered!

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

Consider it a supplement to the video KnG video. I researched and wrote that one for them, but there wasn't enough time to get into the Cumans there, and I had wanted to do another video on them for a few months, so it culminated into this one!

[@bosbanon3452]

@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory you're doing better on Mongol invasion ofbKhwarezmia

[@ugurbocugunungunlugu638]

Please add Turkish subtitles

[@Raidon8537]

Kumandin people (Another Turkic tribe in Siberia) probably descendants of Eastern Cumans. And there are so many people with Cuman origin in Hungary. Some are living in Egypt (from Mamluk era) and in Turkey (probably the descendant of the Catholic-Orthodox Cuman mercenaries on the Byzantine side in the Seljuk and Byzantine wars) but of course in Turkey, later they islamized by Ottoman policy. Those who served as mercenaries on the Byzantine side, stayed in Moldova and adopted Orthodox Christianity (normally they were Catholic or Tengrist), could be Gagauz (Kök-Oghuz). But only some of the Gagauz. The other Gagauzes are probably Pechenegs(related to Cumans but linguistically Oghuz-related people, but i think their language and genetically they were not Oghuz, only related), Torks(a christian Oghuz-Kipchak Turkic tribe), Uzs(pure Oghuz, raid to byzantine, Byzantine slaves and at same time Turkic-Byzantine mercenaries, later christianized by Byzantine)...

[@teovu5557]

Kumyks as well

[@El-Silver]

instresting had the hungarians not killed the khan how diferent would the mongol invasion be would the battle of sajo happend? if it did would the cumans have granted the hungarians a victory?

[@johnmanole4779]

Perhaps, and their people in hungary might still be around

[@petmop1309]

@@johnmanole4779 they r still around cumans survived the ottoman invasion as well, sadly lost their language

[@Zodroo_Tint]

The history is not this simple and sadly western history is not honest. The story is the Mongols won and left Hungary but it is not logical. It is more logical the Kingdom of Hungary was overcome the invasion and they were the one who chased the Mongols out of the country. The Mongol history support this logical theory actualy.

[@Brandonhayhew]

question: did the cuman, brought their animals too like sheep and goats, horses and donkey

[@БоянМихов-м9э]

Why say Asenids instead of the Asen dynasty? Also you have a good pronunciation of George. :)

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

That's the form they had it in much of the literature I read, similar to Terterids, Jochids. Precisely why, I'm not sure. It's any less accurate than Asen Dynasty, House of Asen or anything like that. I have a friend from Bulgaria who does his name like that, so I knew better than to say it like the British 'George.'

[@kamilyemez180]

A significant number of Cumans settled in today's Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Türkiye. They converted to Christianity and later to Islam with the Seljuks and Ottomans. When we look today, Armenians also have Cuman Turk blood, and Anatolian Turks also have Armenian blood. Everyone is mixed. 😃

[@PorcsinSzűcsSándor]

The Cumans did not flee. There are many errors in the video. Mongolian politics is felt.

[@gokhan2970]

I wish their language still exist

[@BarackObama-r7i]

We are still exists!🇰🇿🇰🇿💪💪

[@gokhan2970]

@@BarackObama-r7i i mean the ones who went to hungary

[@serhansali]

Ah, no. There are only the kipchak languages like kazah, tatar languages and others. The original cuman doesn't exist anymore, and it may varied depending on the region so we won't know for sure.

[@burakcetav]

Why do you keep referring to the Cumans and Nogai's as mongols? They were Turkic, not Mongol..

[@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory]

I don't call the Cumans as Mongols in this video. 'Cumans' is used for the Qipchaq-Cumans here, and 'Mongols' for the nomadic element of the Golden Horde, which included a large Turkic element, but this video wasn't looking at the interior matters of the Horde. The Nogai Horde did not exist yet, and has no connection to the Emir Nogai in this video. They share the name, meaning 'dog' in Mongolian, but it is even argued that the Nogai Horde's name came from a different, similar sounding term. Emir Nogai's armies would have had a large number of Turks in them- but since he considered himself a Mongol, the core of his army was Mongols, and the command almost certainly Mongolian, he is always called a Mongol.

[@richardruusmann8187]

So cumans are turks?

[@burakcetav]

@@richardruusmann8187 ofcourse. they are known as kipcak turks

[@richardruusmann8187]

@@burakcetav so khan köten was kipchak?

[@richardruusmann8187]

@@burakcetav and so there is not differences between cumans and kipchaks?

[@SinicizedTurk]

According to Geni, Elizabeth the Cuman is my 25th great-grandmother. Not really special since I'm guessing she's an ancestor to millions around the world today.

[@illyrian9976]

The farther you go back in history the more people can trace their ancestory to somone. It is said that all of european descend can trace their lineage back to charlemagne.

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

So you are half Turk

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

@@richardruusmann8187 yes cumans and kipchaks are branch of turks

[@richardruusmann8187]

@@papazataklaattiranimam okay, thanks!

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

@@richardruusmann8187 almost same

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Ivan Asen II best Emperor of 2.Bulgarian Empire is Cuman origin

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Svarog also Asen dynasty found 2.Bulgarian Empire

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Svarog wallachia ruled by Cuman Basarabids btw vlad dracula is romanized cuman :D

[@atillaturk3986]

Not only ASENs , but also TERTERs and ŞİŞMANs are KUMAN TÜRKs.....

[@blu9371]

I am a romanian and I am in love with the cumans. I want to know more about what happened and how romanians and cumans used to live together for around 300 years, from 991 to 1241. ☦️🙏🏼

[@Zodroo_Tint]

Sorry bro but you really should research history not written by romanians. Wallachians never lived together with the Cumans. Cumans were really agressive during that time so they only had exploitative relationsip with western nations and I'm not even sure the ancestors of the romanians were there in 991. I know the walachians started to came to transilvania during the 1200's so this could means the Cumans were not as dangerous to them than the Mongols but living together is different. If the walachians and the cumans would live together for 300 years one nation would pick up the other nations culture and it doesn't look like it happened.

[@serhansali]

​@@Zodroo_TintThe cumans and vlachs worked together as seen in a battle against a Hungarian king in the mountains. Eveyone used composite type bows and most of the army was cavalry like the nomads, but not archers.

[@Bruno_bm151]

They did genocide in Bohemia

[@Zodroo_Tint]

For God's sake look at the map! The Carpathian Basin is not Eastern-Europe it is Central-Europe. It is not hard to understand, even americans and childrens are able to understand it.

[@antonbadea1447]

Yes, a lot of BS Geography on display...

[@aiurea1]

Cumans helped Romanians against Hungarians. Now both Hu and Ro can share their history.

[@aiurea1]

@wratch some of them have blended in East European nations. The Basarab family, Vlad Tepes, was probably Cuman or Pecheneg in origin. They helped found Tara Romaneasca

[@robertberger4203]

Most of the soldiers in the Mongol army were from Turkish tribes . The so-called "Golden Horde " was Turkic .

[@Nomadicenjoyer31]

Kipchak Khanate

[@petmop1309]

Golden horde which raided hungary was the tatar tribe

[@atillaturk3986]

@@petmop1309 Tatar is a general name. All Kuman_Kıpçak, Peçenek, Uz, Bulgar, Hazar ,Berendi, Tork, Karakalpak Türks were called as Tatars after Cengiz Khan invasion.......

[@teovu5557]

Turkic tribes not "turkish" as Turkish refers ONLY to the turks of Turkey(who are Oghuz turks not kipchaks)

[@Brandonhayhew]

many nomadic were united until when a leader dies then disunited

[@rosennikolov6313]

BULGARIAN EMPIRE

[@RosierJulio]

Mas

[@arystanbeck914]

Why, why why Cuman - Kipchak? Not just simply Kipchak how they called themselves in reality?

[@teovu5557]

cuman and kipchak are two separate tribes from the same tribal confederation. In Kazakhstan their is still a tribe called Kipchak and in altai russia there is a modern tribe called Kumandy. according to russian and chinese sources cuman and kipchaks are two different tribes who formed a union.

[@teovu5557]

@roygbiv5290 You have it ass backwards my friend. Kipchaks ARE a tribe and only in modern times is it also used as a classification of turkic people linguistically. Kipchaks and Cumans came from the Kimek confederation and later created the Cuman-Kipchak conferation. Fun Fact: Kazakhs still have tribal names and Kipchak is listed as a member of the middle Jhuz of Kazakhs. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCz#Middle_zhuz

[@teovu5557]

"Calling their country a Cuman-Kypchak confederation is like calling Turkey a Chepni-Oghuz confederation." The Cuman-Kypchaks were a confederation of Tribes with their own khans. Turkey is a COUNTRY/NATION not a confederation. (the fact that you dont know what was a confederation and what is a country is hulariously sad) The name Cumania originated as the Latin exonym for the Cuman-Kipchak confederation, which was a tribal confederation in the western part of the Eurasian Steppe, between the 10th and 13th centuries. The confederation was dominated by two Turkic nomadic tribes: the Cumans (also known as the Polovtsians or Folban) and the Kipchaks. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumania

[@teovu5557]

@roygbiv5290 literally all source on the Cuman-Kipchaks list them as a confederation of tribes and anybody on here can look up there history and see how ignorant you are on the subject. LOL Political organization The vast territory of the Cuman-Kipchak realm consisted of loosely connected tribal units that represented a dominant military force but were never politically united by a strong central power; the khans acted on their own initiative. The Cuman-Kipchaks never established a state, instead forming a Cuman-Kipchak confederation (Cumania/Desht-i Qipchaq/Zemlja Poloveckaja (Polovcian Land)/Pole Poloveckoe (Polovcian Plain)) which stretched from the Danube in the west to Taraz, Kazakhstan in the east. This was possibly due to their facing no prolonged threat before the Mongol invasion, and it may have either prolonged their existence or quickened their destruction. Example of a confederation. Khamag Mongol Confederation Three Tatar confederation Oghuz Yabghu state example of a country Mongolia Turkey Uzbekistan Kazakhstan etc etc etc read more buddy.

[@morriganmhor5078]

Isn´t it more probable that "Terter" came from "Ta(r)tar", one of the tribes in the Mongol army?

[@atillaturk3986]

( TERTER OBA ) is a KUMAN_KIPÇAK Türk tribe. Tartar is different. The leader of Hungary Kumans was KÖTEN KHAN. He was from this TERTER OBA tribe. After that, Köten Khan was killed by Macars and Some of this TERTER OBA Kuman tribe went to Bulgaria. They became the kings of Bulgars there. Christian TERTER DYNASTY of BULGARİA kings was from TERTER OBA Kuman tribe......+++ TERTER City of AZERBAYCAN in CAUCASUS was founded by this TERTER OBA Kuman Türk tribe.......because, KUMAN Türks were divided many pieces in the world......They were intercontinentsl TÜRKs......

[@teovu5557]

the tribe is named after the Terterchay river in the caucsus. Terter has a different meaning to "Tatar".

[@aboba5995]

1) Very possible, also the West Kipchak language in Codex Cumanicus called "tatar til, tatarče" because of conquest by Mongols. 2) I checked that in Mongolian one word дадар (ᠳᠠᠳᠠᠷ) word means "pennant", we can reconstruct a form *дардар thanks to Chinese sources 檀檀 /tántán/, also reconstructed form sounds similar to synonym дарцаг (ᠳᠠᠷᠴᠠᠭ) "pennant", they can be some cognates.

[@nursaya_b]

Turkic vs Turkic Won:Turkic

[@LexMadafaka]

What a lie. There were no such as Vlach in the 12th century. That is a Romanian dream only from the 1840s. :D

[@arystanbeck914]

Of course Hungarian Kipchaks would seek support of Nogai. The entire Golden Horde was made of Kipchak

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made mostly of kipchaks but not entirely

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Coomans

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Are they white now?

[@anomalianomali5080]

Yeah probably 90% white

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Yes. They are whitw now. Then they was Mongols. Yellow race!

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Lol