Cummins vs Duramax vs Power Stroke: All New 2020 HD Trucks Tow 30,000 lbs Up The Ike Gauntlet

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[@robertogonowski9027]

Super video.... I like raw move better than others. Andrew - Spasiba !!! , Mr. Truck - Thank You :)

[@scruffy6151]

Pro towing gauge package was a very good idea. 👍

[@thefatmangaming932]

Shut up

[@DynoDieselWagon]

Both clowns are clueless. Can't tell an upshift from a downshift ¿ cmon guys showing ur ignorance to knowledge

[@jnk26]

The ram doesnt have more grunt down low. 1000lbft is less than 1050lbft. All three diesels have the peak torque @1600rpm. The ford is the fastest because the torque is what is doing the work and it has more torque from 1600 to 2800. Which all three trucks hp ratings are @ 2800. The reason the GM with less peak torque beats the Ram(910 VS 1000) it's the gearing advantage. At the hp ratings the ford has the most leverage 475hp@2800 = 890lbft 445hp@2800 = 835lbft 400hp@2800 = 750lbft Now the reason people feel that the Ram has the most torque, is called torque rise. It's the fact that torque is doing the work. As the rpms fall the ram has a larger difference in torque(ability to do the work) so it keeps pulling "harder". What most people(almost all people) fail to understand is what hp actually is. It's just a rating of how fast work gets done. NOT HOW MUCH!!!! All three trucks did the same work 30k trailer, bit the slowest was the lowest Rated HP truck(just like 90% of the tests in the past) the strength is in the torque, and the torque is the limitation on how much work can be done. The torque can be manipulated, not the hp. That's why the GM in First gear has 445hp at 2800 and 14400lbft@1600(910lbft x 4.64:1 x 3.42:1 =14400lbft) but not 7061hp at 2800 in first. Hp is a rating and torque is the force doing the work. The simple way to explain this is here 3.5EB 450hp@5000=451lbft 6.7 powerstroke(2018-19) 450hp@2800=844lbft 8.9L Cummins ISX 9 450hp@2200=1074lbft 12.7L Detroit Series 60 450hp@1900=1243lbft 14.8L Cummins ISX15 450hp@1600=1477lbft All 5 engines are rated the same power but on their own at their rated power(without gear manipulation) they all could do the same amount of work just at sized loads(ISX15 would be 3.27 time heavier than the 3.5EB) and vise-versain order for the EB to move the load the cummins does it would need a 3.27:1 gear reduction box before the transmission, hp doesnt change with gearing because it's a CALCULATION. My volvo D13 is rated 500hp@1700rpm/1850lbft@11-1350 but the torque band is where all the work is done Volvo D13 1850lbft@1100=387hp 1850lbft@1200=422hp 1850lbft@1300=457hp 1850lbft@1350=475hp 1800lbft@1400=479hp 1750lbft@1500=499hp 1650lbft@1600=502hp 1550lbft@1700=501hp 1400lbft@1800=475hp 1250lbft@1900=452hp The pattern in the data shows how the "rating" is a calculation. How can 200 lbft(1550 and 1750) be the same power at differen speeds. Because the engine can do that amount of work at a different rate of speed. The engine pulls a hill way better in a lower gear where there is more torque(because manipulation) 1850 is huge compared to 1200 and so is the 1200rpm vs 1900rpm. One is clearly more capable. If you were to have 1850lbft@1900rpm it would be 670hp you can get these D13s in marine applications with 1000hp@2400rpm(2188lbft) that's a vastly different engine than a truck engine

[@jamms2966]

this is the smartest & most well thought out reply I've seen to date in regards to all these truck comparisons. not to hard to see why 10 speed transmissions are going to be the standard moving forward. thank you for writing this up!

[@780Aleks-AB]

Awesome write up. Thank you for that. 👍👍

[@jamms2966]

I think if people could see 3 charts of Torque & HP, what you're explaining is there is more "area under the curve" for the Ford, which is why it had the fastest time. i don't favor one brand over another; my dad is Ford for life - we pulled a trailer all over the US together & he LOVED catching other trucks on hills & outpolling them or die trying. My Father in-law drives a Cummins & that torque-rise you described is REAL. I really like how it feels when you drive it. Personally, I drive an L5P duramax and rarely pull but still find all this stuff fascinating.

[@jnk26]

@@jamms2966 I feel the ram will be more competitive with the 9 spd Allison or the 8 spd ZF trans Andre was talking about on tflnow yesterday. But the limitation will still be the 750lbft@2800(400hp) vs the Ford 890lbft@2800(475hp) on every hill. It will perform better than the GM especially in the lower and mid-band, where it already shines, even better with a 4.10 axle

[@NOWAY-jw3iq]

Sooo..What are you trying to say?

[@gregc9220]

Love y'all's videos and love how honest Mr.Truck is, you can tell he is not brand loyal, I agree with him about gauges and all the information you can get, I made a cross country trip last year towing heavy in my 2015 6.7 Ford powerstroke and when I got Yuma Arizona I hit a dust storm, shortly after I can feel the truck starting to lose power, I looked at my boost gauge and noticed it was only making 8 to 10 lb of boost and no engine light, pulled over and found the air filter was completely clogged with sand, cleaned the filter the best I could on the side of the road and the truck ran normal again and the boost was back up to 20, without a gauge it would have taken me longer to figure out what was happening, great video guys and kept up the good work!

[@mcneel16]

Yea!!! Representing Yuma AZ!!!!!!!!!

[@ARuralVermonterQqjmcb182]

I would say mr. truck is partial to ford. just from looking at his channel and previous videos. but still a great part of this channel!

[@fredconrath4606]

Mr. Truck is very open minded when it comes to trucks, but his POV is a Ford F-150.

[@smiley3303]

I always thought he was GM guy and Nathan was a Ram guy.

[@09mazdasp33d]

Never thought I’d see my home town Yuma being talked about in any KZbin comment section 😆 👍 glad you figured out the issue before you got stuck on I-8. People don’t help out around here unfortunately...

[@zackde8795]

20 years ago this would be impossible with 1 ton trucks. It’s amazing how much power these trucks have.

[@donald61398]

Zack De they did it somehow 20 years ago

[@Durataur]

@@donald61398 lol no they didn't...

[@TexanUSMC8089]

People still hauled way over loaded back in the 90's. They didn't run 3.50 rear end gears. They were running 4.10 or lower. 30,000 pounds on a 1 ton truck is extremely heavy though. Most people hauling that much weight are not doing it with an f350 or 3500 ram or gm. They would probably have a 5500, f650, or a regular 18 wheeler.

[@Marinerick123]

TexanUSMC8089 ddddddddddd

[@Js16108]

Idk my 99 24v could definitely pull that. But I don't have any confidence that it can slow it down.

[@dslpwr]

Perfect timing...6:00am on a Sunday time for some breakfast and a TFL video! Love these unedited Ike videos.

[@ajmedeiros77]

“The transmission is relatively cool. “Well of course it’s February”. Love the honesty

[@eri6471]

Andrew Medeiros aisin transmission always run cooler than ford and Allison. Mine runs around 160-180 on summer towing on my 5500

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

Ford is greasing this test. They run way too hot.

[@marcushert2759]

Yeah 226 on a stock truck and trans is really starting to push it. And it wasn’t even “max load”. I would also suspect it would get hotter in a urban towing setting from all the starting and stopping and shifting.

[@benjaminwayneb]

Ford and GM use thermostats in the transmission coolers to keep the transmission from running too cool, a higher trans temp improves efficency and lubrication.

[@rogercraig1778]

Yeah runs cooler, but lost by over a minute. That’s like the second place runner in a sprint race, finished not breathing as hard as the winner. Ford is all in house. Ram has 2/3 outsourced and GM has 1/3. Body, Engine, and Transmission. Complain when Fords Transmission is known to be problematic. Right now the Aisin transmission is outdated and outmatched.

[@fredconrath4606]

I use to pull my 7300# trailer up the Ike with my 2015 F150 5.0 and my top speed at the top was 38 mph. With my new F250 turbo diesel, pulling the same trailer, my speed is at 70 mph with power to spare at the top. That 6.7 is a high altitude beast.

[@Dfour]

that Powerstroke is a animal , pulling 30k uphill at nearly 60mph !

[@MCMUSICH]

For having 75 horses more than dodge and a 10 speed trany it should be the better one. If cummins put a 445hp or 465hp it would win even with the 6 speed

[@nathanmcdonald610]

@@MCMUSICH No it wouldn't the Cummins has always been slower than both the Powerstroke, its I6 design could never keep up with the V8's Ford, a 10-Speed would help it some, but I'm certain it would still be slower.

[@justinmartin8887]

Nathan McDonald hp is energy per timeframe. If the engine puts out 455 hp and has the same gear ratios, it will pull more.

[@justinmartin8887]

Nathan McDonald doesn’t matter if it has 12 cyl or 1 hp is hp, doesn’t matter where it comes from

[@nathanmcdonald610]

@@justinmartin8887 Horsepower is horsepower, you're right, but your cylinder arrangement can effect how its put it down, the I6 Cummins is great at lugging but it doesn't have the same ability to breather and circulate air/fuel at higher RPMS like the V8's do. I'm just saying, in every single head to head test I've ever seen the Cummins compared to the Powerstoke its always a couple of ticks behind, not that it really matters, these trucks are so grossly overpowered that it doesn't really matter which you buy, because it will tow good enough for you, and if won't you don't need a pickup, you need a semi.

[@rothesayprepper]

1st Ford- 10:20.83 minutes 2.4mpg 2nd Dodge- 11:32.65 minutes 2.5mpg 3rd GMC- 11:47.68 minutes 2.4mpg

[@ArcolaBridge]

Interesting how the v8s have closed the mpg gap in the straight 6... I think it's from exhaust treatment killing the mpg advantage of the 6 and it's the transmissions.

[@teds4983]

@@ArcolaBridge killing all of them, but yes the inline should do much better than the 8's

[@ArcolaBridge]

@@teds4983 yeah but... For the best unfortunately... New injector tech might change that though Sandia labs has a game changer in the making.

[@davidwatson8142]

The turbo never did better during towing or hard driving. They do well during normal driving.

[@jasonlarsen3515]

Ted s why?

[@jcnun3930]

The biggest loser in this test was GM, Same 10 speed as the Ford, but couldn't out perform the Ram with the 6 speed

[@joatmon1857]

@Frank Mischler not for the HD trucks!

[@allamerican7830]

I’ll still take the Chevy, with Fords having the death wobble and dodge having doors like a tin can and the typical electrical issues they all have I’ll stick with what I grew up with

[@pryme2013]

The rams Toyota Japanese built transmission is the best.

[@freedomisntfree_44]

Mr M yeah and have been having troubles so far for the 19 trucks. Slamming in gear while gearing down and redlining with no load.

[@royrichardson9164]

@@allamerican7830 the death wobble is an old saying so that means nothing. I'm just wondering how long before the chevy starts rusting? That is an old saying that still holds true to GM trucks

[@Brian_Tomlinson]

The new Power Stroke with that 10 speed can’t be touched Absolute beast

[@teds4983]

They get touched by the mechanics more than you think.

[@SupremeLand]

Ted s that’s so true.

[@teds4983]

@Dirty Harry i just have a few friend's that have had pretty bad luck with that ford 6.7. And they are actually very responsible driver's.

[@jeffclark4008]

@@teds4983 ahh, thee ole "my buddy has a (insert make and model here) and it's junk blah blah blah" I call BS, you sound like every other sore loser. It's a fact that the 6.7 power stroke and the torqueshift is an extremely reliable powertrain. Stop with your fake propaganda because your favorite brand got its tail kicked.

[@smiley3303]

Jeff Clark why are you Ford guys so insecure? Why do you care if someone else likes your brand?

[@glenmacdonald2044]

The semi that passed you at the end of your run. Is so typical of today's me first steering wheel holders. A very small percentage of today's truck drivers are truly professional

[@scottbionicnerf8727]

You do the most comprehensive, real-world testing of whatever you test. In doing so, you answer, or almost always answer all questions that are on a potential buyers mind. I wouldn't buy a truck, new, or used without 1st checking to see if you guys have done some kind of comparison on it. Thank you brothers.

[@junehhan]

I really like the comedic interchanges we see in the raw videos. Andre and Mr. Truck is the perfect combination.

[@WHavriloRT]

The banter between these two is seriously priceless. Great videos guys.

[@ross7684]

I would appreciate it if, at the end of your comparison videos, you would include a view of the window sticker so we could see how each vehicle is configured, options, gear ratios, etc. which would give us a better idea how closely matched vehicles are.

[@AnyManProjects]

Great request!

[@chadpedersen2283]

For what its worth, to all the people who claim the ram/ Cummins is most reliable, let me share my observation on a trip last month from colorado to california up and over the rockies on the same highway this test was done on. And before anyone says im a fan boy, let me tell you now i dont own any of these trucks and dont care who won what, this is purely an observation over the 3,000 mile trip. I did not see 1 single ford or gm pulled off the road with the hood up. But i did see 3 Rams/Cummins pulled over with hoods up. And just for the hell of it, my wife and i started counting trucks just to see which brand had more on the road. My wife counted rams while i counted fords because that seemed like the closest race. But the number of fords on the road did in fact double the number of rams that we saw (we included half tons as well as 3/4 and one tons and even f450-f550 and 4500-5500's). I will say this, the 3 rams pulled over with hoods up did have large 5th wheels attached. And the number of trucks towing with big trailers between the two brands were close to the same even though there were twice as many fords total on the roads. So percentage wise more rams were towing, but there was 3 broken down (which we didnt count, only counted vehicles driving). Pure unbiased observation, and that is it. Say what you will

[@TheNickLavender]

Ram should thank their lucky stars for Cummins. Its Cummins who has made Ram trucks relevant.

[@toofastnobrakes]

And if they wind up getting the 9speed Allison they will steal the market

[@blang38]

@@toofastnobrakes I don't think Allison wants to be exclusive to any manufacturer. I think they are more interested in gaining market share by selling to any and all.

[@smiley3303]

Makes sense except dead wrong. No Cummins in the 1500 yet that is the second best selling truck right now. Ram just knew they couldn’t make a diesel and brought in an expert. Ford tried that and failed so they made their own.

[@toofastnobrakes]

blang38 I didn’t say exclusively to ram. But the Allison would be the best choice. It’s the single most Successful combination and the commercial trucking world

[@koncha0422]

@@smiley3303 I'm a big Ford fan but I can't lie your speaking facts.

[@kevintibbetts5249]

I love the new form. Much less editing makes your comparisons so much more interesting and transparent. Before you guys would edit video catering to people who aren't truck nerds. Now the real enthusiasts will love this channel.

[@robertjohnson4784]

Hats off to TFL fast lane truck. Because of you guys I have changed my mind on which truck I'm going to buy I always was a Chevy fan and now I started looking at Ford's I also started following you guys back when you had less than a hundred thousand subscribers and truly your channel has taken off thank you TFL fast lane truck for your true and unbiased reviews.

[@putmeincoach7663]

Smart man. Ford, because the best never rest!

[@FrankAlfani]

You guys should get a Bluetooth obd2 dongle for these tests and read the live data information on a tablet. It would be safer and easier than reaching over from the passenger seat and playing with the wheel controls while Mr. Truck is driving. Plus, with the right software you'll more than likely be able to get the information GM doesn't want to show you in the display like boost pressure and what gear you're in.

[@RadDadisRad]

It’ll show actual temps and pressures from all the sensors.

[@warsman22]

or the driver can do it himself. once you spend about 2 days with these trucks, you pick it up quick. but i bet mr.truck didnt have that

[@zackde8795]

Honestly they are all great trucks that have proven themselves more than worthy over the years.

[@davemurphy2774]

They are all great but the Chev has improved the most. Twenty years ago in the fast lane when they ran got in their truck and raced the quarter mile the Chev guy still had the broken door handle in his hand before he could the key in the broken ignition switch in the Diesel truck they stopped making because they had poor fuel pumps and engines so could not even get third place in a three truck race!!

[@warsman22]

@@davemurphy2774 all the trucks ran great with the AP3 pumps. but as soon as the AP4 came out, dodge had issues, GM had issues, and ford had the worst. ford didnt screen their pumps, so when they grenaded themselves, they screwed everything else throughout the powertrain. GM and RAM at least had screens on theirs

[@goneawol7498]

Guys, Thanks for these real life tow videos. I just upgraded from my 2019 Super Duty to a 2020 DRW. This video was very informative and helped me make the decision easy. Thanks again.

[@AnyManProjects]

I did the same... 2017 SWR 250 to 2021 DRW... what a difference in power and stability.

[@jerkyturkey007]

Tell the driver he doesn't have his foot all the way down... until he gets a pedicure from the fan blade, lol.

[@jamesnm21]

Going up this hill in my naturally aspirated 2.5 L manual Subaru wagon fully loaded I think I struggled to do 45 in 3rd gear.

[@Yugetubes]

I wonder what my 07 yaris 1.5L naturally-aspirated 4 speed auto could do. 😆

[@Harry-zz2oh]

I don't care what vehicle a person has, that "test track" is a tough road to climb. I've done it in my Dodge 2500 with no load and had no issues but with a load it's a very different issue.

[@explorationgabe]

been there dude, 5 speed foresters need more oomph

[@warsman22]

i struggle in my 2.0L dodge dart going east over aspen. 4th gear, pinned, i think i was around 50mph at the most.

[@warsman22]

@@explorationgabe honestly another gear might be the difference. im surprised to see a 2.5 Scubby doing worse over a lesser climb

[@jesustrevizo3148]

Do some testing in AZ in middle of summer. Phx to Flagstaff.🔥👍

[@TexanUSMC8089]

Or Yuma to Pheonix and back when it's 120 degrees.

[@jesustrevizo3148]

@@TexanUSMC8089 some more realistic testing 👍. It's only a bit warm...

[@jc3702]

jesus trevizo 👍🏼👍🏼

[@davemurphy2774]

@@TexanUSMC8089 In the extreme cold the Ford wins in the Rams and Chevs the boys would need more than Russian hats and have to keep their windows closed.

[@slongholio]

We'll get some first hand experience this year. Hauling about 5200 lbs payload (truck camper). Overweight, but whatever, lol. Will be coming cross country, through AZ, in August.

[@colinclement2752]

Not sure people realize how badass towing 30k up the Ike in the winter with a damn pick-up truck is

[@the_ghee_spot]

I don’t know how you guys have had such good luck with traffic going up I-70 lately. I’ve been stuck in stop and go traffic a mile or more from the tunnel the last 3 times I was coming from Steamboat.

[@CaptainRudy4021]

It's all about weather and timing

[@fredconrath4606]

Rubbed N' Tugged BBQ they drive during the week and not on weekends. That weekend traffic is terrible.

[@SergePupko]

5 AM on a Sunday. Good time to watch a TFL video. 😁

[@danielgrimshaw8629]

Love what you guys do! Thank you. One thing I would like to see at the end is a written side by side graphic with the results from the 3 trucks.

[@ThatGuy-kf7fo]

The new Powerstroke is impressive. I think when the Cummins gets the 8-speed it’ll be more comparable.

[@Jophlo78]

I recently worked with two fleet mechanics that worked on all Ram trucks, constant breakdowns across every model. I think their brand has a long way to go.

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

Really?? Because I can say the same thing about Ford!!

[@Jophlo78]

@@JohnDoe-nz6bk I'm simply stating the facts based on this company's experience. Maybe all manufactures need to step up reliability.

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

Jophlo TheArtist I'm simply stating facts as well! My agency has mostly Ford fleet vehicles (f150 eco crap, exploders and superduty) with nothing but issues. The superduty gassers pre aluminum have been great though.

[@Jophlo78]

@@JohnDoe-nz6bk I'm not brand loyal at this point. Again, I believe all manufactures need to step up their overall quality in order to justify the exorbitant pricing. My 86 F250 with a straight 6 was the most reliable truck I've ever owned!

[@JohnDoe-nz6bk]

Jophlo TheArtist right! With The price tag on these trucks, they should be perfect from day one. The older Fords were great trucks. They haven't made a good truck since 2015. Ram has really stepped up their game, but they can still be better.

[@marcofemto9417]

Love how Andre says 'the Chruck'

[@onegoodturngetsmostofthebl7499]

The boys wearing their Siberian winter Toques kinda of remind me of Bob and Doug McKenzie.

[@TexanUSMC8089]

LMAO. Steamroller.

[@TheMackatx]

Take off ya hoser.

[@stinger4583]

Thanks for the test. I'm looking forward to more on the 7.3 Ford gasser. Maybe a 7.3 gas dually IKE gauntlet test. "Keep on Truckin". 👍

[@Harry-zz2oh]

Trying to find a truck with the 7.3 gas engine is a real challenge. I've been looking for a F350 for about six months but they are difficult to find.

[@bombardiertraxter]

In November I went to Ford to order a new truck. I thought I was gonna order a F-350 SRW with the 7.3. I left Ford having ordered a F450 6.7 when I had to put a down payment on a truck I just couldn’t do it on the 7.3 was afraid that I won’t be happy with the gas engine after my last 3 trucks being diesel, I need more feed back from 7.3 owner. If Ford would have let me do a test tow with the 7.3 I may have bought one.

[@AnyManProjects]

If you tow regular, you'll hate the 7.3 gasser... they get terrible mileage and still are way down on power from the 6.7.

[@AnyManProjects]

These videos are great 👍 .. they always seem unbiased and truthful. I own a 2021 F350 6.7 Dually so that may be part of why I enjoy watching them so much lol. In all seriousness, these videos are most of why I chose the Ford over the other trucks. Thanks Guys!

[@captainmarvel9610]

Ford is the king in work truck imo. Always have been

[@MikesGarageReviews]

They’re warranty department is absolutely terrible

[@ricko6514]

Great content as usual, and the multi-view format really separates it from other reviewers. This definitely immerses the viewer in and I felt like I was there with the fellas lol.

[@ripfletching]

Man that Ford is amazing you watch these videos side-by-side and you can see the Ford handles that massive load with great ease a lot of power in reserve I can’t imagine if you had a tune on that thing the ram is great at the downhill if Ford would master the downhill portion of this I can’t imagine the score

[@khakiswag]

I think Ford's PCM programming is much better the other two seem to reduce boost for sustained WOT therefore reducing power output. Don't know about the GM but Ram was running around 20psi and the Ford was pushing 30psi. I think the Ford's computer takes ambient temp into account and since it was cold allowed for higher boost because the fan could easily reduce temp 10-20 degrees in a few seconds. Either way Ford ruled the day again, as they say the best never rests.

[@01Cummins2]

I could not live with that fan in the Ford. So annoying!!

[@morganvirden3848]

01Cummins2 well would you rather have your truck blow up?

[@MrScoobieman]

Morgan Virden buy a Cummins, problem salved

[@morganvirden3848]

Cool stuff ain’t no problems to solve with a ford learn how to spell

[@toofastnobrakes]

Love all 3. But if ram actually does get that 9speed Allison to put behind the Cummins, I’m sold

[@icu_corey_rn_903]

They will literally steal the market for HD trucks. Ask anyone w a Chevy or ford diesel why they didn’t go Cummins and the answer a lot of times is the transmission issues with ram..

[@ronsmith7880]

This is Cool...I like the split screen set up..you guys do Awesome work over there at TFL..thank you to Andre n Mr Truck.

[@MrTruckTV]

You're welcome

[@jamestaylor5995]

I would definitely like to see this test done in the Summer when its in the 90s. If the Ford can maintain that level of power output without getting hot, then it really is the 2020 king of the hill. And only time will tell, but given the partial redesign to Powerstroke, I wonder how the long term reliability will be? Overall, the 6.7 seems pretty solid, so I'm hoping they've really nailed it with the new hardware and increased hp. We'll know in about a year or two.

[@jjsemperfi]

I keep asking them to do testing in the summer. Big difference in density altitude from winter to summer.

[@Captain-Awesome]

@@jjsemperfiI would just like to see them do this test every year

[@ejesoriginal]

Andre, you might consider getting one of those Bluetooth OBDII port adapters to monitor all the temps and things so you don't have to reach across the driver to scroll through them on the dash. You can just monitor it from your phone as he drives. Just a suggestion. They are relatively inexpensive I think.

[@R.E.L.Asphalt_Sealcoating]

Love mine

[@larryspiller15]

We could also see the throttle application aswell

[@teds4983]

It blows me away they have no pyro

[@chrisrogers8760]

Pulling 30,000lbs. "I would like for it to be quicker" lol

[@TexanUSMC8089]

If I was hauling 30,000 pounds on a regular basis, I'd get a bigger truck. An F350, or 3500 is maxed at that weight. I go for at least a 5500 or move up to an 18 wheeler. Being able to pull something is just half of it. You need to steer and stop too. Great video though.

[@solomonstello]

Thanks for sharing.

[@scottyellis3442]

You know this is a good channel when you watch a video & 3 years later you watch it again.

[@teds4983]

Not sure why they dont pay attention to the egt's while flooring it for 10 mins. Almost more important than anything

[@SOHCNightmare]

There's probably at minimum 4 pyro probes from the factory in the exhaust that double up for emissions monitoring. So I'm willing to bet stock trucks will defuel long before dangerous EGT's are an issue.

[@slongholio]

What's an EGT?

[@teds4983]

@@slongholio exhaust gas temperatures

[@HFVidShotz]

Nice. I appreciate these trucks stacked together like this. Thanks guys!

[@ipostrandomthings6859]

“Cummins motors don’t ever scream” - PD Diesel Power.

[@jnk26]

No they sound like they are coming apart at 3000rpm. If the cummins only spun 2200rpm I would possibly be interested. I used to drive an 08 sterling that had a cummins 8.9L L9 280hp w/Allison 6spd 3000RDS and I hated driving it because it always was hunting between 2nd and 3rd, all while sounding horrible at 2200rpm. And the smaller cummins 6.7 spins higher. Love my volvo D13 only time if ever over 1800rpm is when you pull the max engine brake control at 53mph, drops from 12th to 9th gear and hits 2250rpm. Pulling she never crosses 1800.

[@doddgarger6806]

@@jnk26 nah they will run 3100 all day long, I would set the cruise up hills in 3rd running 75 to hold hills never a problem, on the contrary you have to absolutely whip a V8 to pull a hill that the Cummins will hold more easily in a situation where you are just trying to maintain speed uphill, flat out acceleration from a stop loaded the v8s win and it's meaningless

[@jnk26]

@@doddgarger6806 Dodd Garger well everyone boasts about the Cummins low end grunt, why would you want to spin the poor thing above the peak hp of 2800? Seems like it's a smart thing to do to a $10-15k engine. Let me guess it will last a million miles at 3100rpm as well? I know for a fact that 13 litre engine that are beat on(hot rodded) dont make 750k, let alone a million. On other points, I seem to know what in talking about and an engine that has more hp at said rpm will have more torque as well(be cause torque at rpm is horsepower) 400hp@2800rpm=750lbft of torque 475hp@2600rpm=959lbft of torque. Now this being stated the both the V8s have the high rpm advantage, more torque means there is more leverage to do the work. What I said about the Ram was I dont like the way it sounds at high rpm(I consider 2200 high rpm) because I spend 14-16 hours a day at 1300rpm, I have always disliked the sound of a small I6 engine(under 12L is small in the real world). It you look at it the Duramax@910lbft w/3.42 and the 10spd, is just as capable as the Cummins@1000lbft w/4.10 and the 6 speed. Given this is the gearing manipulating the torque. The GM is on par with the "better" Cummins. What you feel is called torque rise. As the engine lugs back the amount of leverage goes up(750lbft@2800 rises to 1000lbft@1800) the V8s dont have as dramatic torque rise(959lbft@2600 only rises to 1050@1600 in the Ford) so the gain of 250 lbft in the cummins gives you the illusion of better power. When ultimately the Ford and GM pull through it at the hp rating 445hp@2800=835lbft which is more that rams 400hp@2800=750lbft. Remember torque exists without hp but hp doesnt exist without torque, it's just and equation. If you truly believe that a less powerful, less torquey engine is stronger, fools on you. There is a reason the Ford beat the almost identically geared GM up the hill(140lbft at the bottom end, and 124lbft at the top end), by almost a minute and a half, the Ram just tied the GM with a considerable axle advantage 4.10 vs 3.42, and the deficit of gear manipulation(6spd vs 10spd)

[@alanj7306]

I’m a little surprised that the trucks would only do 40mph uphill. I moved from South Carolina to Las Vegas, a 2,350 mile drive, in the biggest U-Haul (26ft) you can get. I was towing my 4,650lb Trailblazer on a 2k lb trailer, with 2 motorcycles (1,000lbs more) in the back. That all adds up to at least 7,650lbs, plus the fuel, fluids, and whatever I had thrown in my suv. The total cargo and towing was rated at 11,500, which I was damn close to... definitely over 11k pounds. Even going up the 8% inclines in New Mexico, the gas engine with 4spd auto would downshift to 2nd gear and I could still do 53-54mph with the gas smashed to the floor. On flat ground, or flatter, I was running that thing at 76-77. Speed limits were mostly 70 or 75. I found out it was limited to 78 lol. Either way, I would have been flying by these guys. I’ve been watching these videos since I’ll be buying a truck soon. They’re not making it easy with how expensive they are or how some of them just don’t fair too well. Any advice? Will be towing a 5th wheel (toy hauler) occasionally, maybe 3-4 times a year. I still have a lot to look into and research..

[@officialyasir]

Thank you TFL! We know these Ike gauntlet videos are hard work! I actually prefer unedited videos! All the cuts in the edited videos and music is just distracting.

[@brettbuckner8951]

It all depends what you feel is the best for you. I can prove how much better Ford is then anything, someone else can prove Chevy/GMC, and someone else Ram..they all offer amazing abilities now. Nothing matters more then comfort level for the driver. Thanks for the great videos. Really appreciate your time.

[@Eukatae]

Something that interests me a lot: How did those trucks do going down that grade. One thing I loved about my f350 was going down a 6% grade with 45k on it at 40 mph safely. I'm a farmer and half my operation is on the other side of Fish Creek canyon so I haul equipment over it a lot.

[@TexanUSMC8089]

Only a farmer could get away with being that over loaded. Well done.

[@samuelhatch8470]

Watch the 2019 dually video. The downgrade the dodge has much better braking. Watch the video. Ford used service brakes 6 times to get back down to 45. Chevy used them 9 times. Dogde with the aisin transmission used their service brakes 0 times. You had 15000 more pounds than that ? Lol. You better watch the video. You are not controlling that much weight with a 1 ton safely.

[@samuelhatch8470]

That's funny shit.

[@CoyoteFTW]

@@samuelhatch8470 - Ford destroyed the other two going up tho did you see that too?

[@samuelhatch8470]

@@CoyoteFTW yup I did.

[@screamingeagle9553]

I do not miss the cooling fan on the powerjoke! Went with a new Duramax and love how the truck pulls. I’m so happy with our Chevrolet! My experience with Ford was so exhausting trying to keep up with maintenance and upgrades just to keep the truck on the road.

[@timbowhite3159]

Yes All Three Of Them Are Very Good Trucks & I Would Love To Have One Of All Three Of Them Please

[@timbowhite3159]

Thanks To All & To All A Good Night

[@ib516]

Here's how I think you could improve the IKE runs for your fans. Have GPS speed overlayed with the video, or have a camera on the gauges the whole way up so we can see for ourselves when and how much each truck slows down.

[@centerlinefabsolutions8918]

You are all fantastic. I love the way you compare unbiased. Always eager to see more. Bravo!!

[@charlesmetherd9136]

Great video, as always, however, would rather the large view was the gauges and the smaller inset was you guys. We would be able to see the gauges much better.

[@mikearlt6327]

Liking the unedited version. Great job guys! A pro towing package is a fantastic idea, wonder who will come to the table first?

[@stuffjunk5019]

I like that y'all are bringing back the old video style with less editing and more truck.

[@redbarron6574]

I’m not sure we can revive this thread but I’d like to ask you all a question. 1. If we limit the max speed to the speed limit going up the IKE is 60 mph, and we have the same final gear ratio, at what towing weight will the time to get up the hill diverge? So I can say w confidence at 15,000 lbs, all three trucks will end up at 8 minutes to go up the IKE. I think you could say the same at 20,000 lbs. At what weight do you think we will separate the time to go up? So my point is if that number is say 23-24000 lbs. How many will buy a truck to tow that heavy? What’s the percentage? So I’m and RVer and 95% of fifth wheels will be under 20,000lbs loaded. So for this application, every RVer should pay attention to payload, amenities, price, etc than engine specs. Because the work to be done will be done fairly equally for a majority of that application. So as an RVer with my DW on a trip, I try to be ultra reliable on the truck and the camper. I’m not driving long hours everyday and the miles I do drive will be mostly below 70 mph. Can anything be said about reliability of these three? Anyway any thoughts are appreciated!

[@duggydo]

I don't buy merch from KZbin channels, but I would buy a TFL hat like Andre's.

[@randomthoughts1001]

That Red Ram in the snow 😍

[@Knuckledragnation]

Hello guys. As a new truck owner I totally appreciate your videos on all things truck related. Ok so I’ve got a soft spot for Ram Diesel Duallys but still. With that said I’ve noticed when testing these trucks, especially the Ram, you don’t mess with manually shifting the truck up the hill. Is that to keep the test say equal across the board? Would it do you recommend shifting say manually from the +/- button column? If so do you have a video on this subject? Thanks

[@paul.s9677]

Another Great Video Guys ! Thanks 👍

[@forceheating5472]

All nice trucks and very capable. I can care less who makes it up the hill faster. I'll stay with the GMC.

[@davidpatrick8153]

Ford crushing it!!

[@richr909]

Hi Guys. Do you have any recommendations for the best all terrain tire that holds up the longest for every day towing? I have a 2016 2500HD crew cab short bed Chevy with a Duramax in it. I've tried BF Goodrich KO 2's and one other cheap no name tire that I can't remember which brand those were, and both of them got about the same mileage life span right around 32,000 miles before they were at the wear markers. I rotated them every 10,000 miles as well. I tow a 16' tandem axle enclosed cargo trailer with a gvwr of 7,000lbs daily. I'd really like a load range E AT tire that can go up to 40,000 towing if that's even possible.

[@donr416]

I have effectively the same results with K02s between 32k an 40k. They last longer if more miles in cold weather. I do think the K02s do a lot better on snow and ice than most. I live in Colorado, so get significant snow and ice hours in winter. I get free rotations, so do them every 5k miles.

[@Pratt_Photo]

The reason the new GM's buck this year, is because they moved the 5th wheel center point slightly behind the rear axle. My father just bought a GM 3500 and hauls a 45' camper and hates it. Traded his 16' GM 2500 that never bucked. It was so bad he took the truck back and GM told him they moved the hitch back this year.

[@solomonstello]

Thanks for sharing.

[@jesusmanzano451]

I would like you to do same test in summer... if it is cold outside all thermodinamics works better...

[@aerobiotic]

Yeah do it again in full sun in July. At least 90 degrees F.

[@Codemanstheman]

I would love to see them test an f450. I don’t care about what class it is in, if an f450 can tow 30k better than these trucks, I would choose the one that does it better.

[@jnk26]

F450 is still a one ton 14k GVWR it has a different front frame, front axle, and larger brakes and commercail tires. It's the same Dana M300 as the F350 just with lager axle shafts because the 4.30 axle ratio.

[@travispfannmuller7717]

450 cab and chassis is derated, not sure about the pickup version. I'm not sure if they've changed the front axle but previous years used a Dana 60 in the front from f350 up to the 550. Lots of variations in the rear axle

[@jnk26]

@@travispfannmuller7717 the F450 pickup is a wide track Dana super 60 7500lb GAWR. It uses the F450 front frame section with the F350 rear section. The axles are the same Dana M300 just with different axle shafts, and hubs for the 10 bolt wheels

[@TexanUSMC8089]

If I was pulling 30,000 pounds, I wouldn't be doing it with a 1 ton. I'd go with a F650 or go ahead and use a kenworth.

[@jedwards100able]

@@jnk26 F450 uses a Spicer diff not a diff out of a F350 i have a F450 pic up. It has a large spicer with a removable 3rd member like a big truck

[@andyharman3022]

Love these unedited Ike videos! A detail that is bugging me is the camera angle on the instrument cluster. The off-angle makes it hard to read the speedometer. But it is nice to see the tach so clearly. Now if you could only post the unedited video of the GM 6.6 gasser that got trounced by the 7.3 Ford...

[@TexanUSMC8089]

What GM 6.6 ? The video I saw on FTL showed the GMC 6.2 gasser destroy the Ford 7.3 gasser.

[@JonBecker81]

Somehow i get the feeling that Andre annoys the bejesus out of Mr. Truck. 😂

[@jamestopeka2236]

They all dud good but I'm bias because I'm a Ram man , I've had 1500 , 2500 and 350 Rams. I'm driving a 2020 1500 Ram 5.7 Hemi off road package now . I really enjoy the videos you guys make .

[@rmkilc]

And to think Ford is the only one that makes their own engine and transmission.

[@resharddurdley6987]

Ford is impressive this year, Ram nearly just as good. GM is a distant 3rd and a disappointment. A local Ford dealer sales guy in twin cities has says they have sold a lot of 2020 6.7s including several F450s. I literally saw a guy testing driving a 2020 F450 in inver grove heights mn. What a BEAST of a truck, my goodness!

[@paulherring8208]

The epic battle has begun !!!!

[@coastaldavhawthorne5891]

You guys do a great job with the IKE Vids. I think the 30,000 lb haul would be very good for hot shot (CDL) drivers, and car haulers. There are not many Fifth Wheel Trailers that approach 30,000 lbs, but there are some in the upper 20k range. Most of those are pulled by Class 6 or better trucks. The average heavy Fifth Wheel Recreational trailer would be 18k to 22k GVW. I tow a 20,000 lb trailer with my 16 Ram with 110 gals fuel, and 4600lbs of pin weight. That puts me over the trucks GVW till I burn some fuel off. Also it bares noting that the Ford F450, with the bed has the same GVW as the F350 at 14,000 lbs. If I was pulling the IKE with my rig, I would be hand shifting the tranny and would be in 4th gear, rpms up at 60 mph and go from there. I tow in 5th gear, at 2150-2200 rpms. The 4:10 gears can’t handle the load in 6th and keeps hunting to fifth. Flat land towing in 6th results in 9.3 mpg. 5th gear is 10.4 mpg. Gets the load off the engine and is very close to a 4:30 ratio in 5th.

[@ruialmeida6679]

the trucks should be tested without adaptive cruise control, the adaptive cruise control will apply brakes, so either test them all with adaptive cruise control or don't use it, just use exhaust brake.

[@livelife4471]

Thank you guys. I like they way you test these trucks.

[@JeffCanyon]

Great videos… Just a concern, you were looking at the trans temp on the Ford and it was in the 200’s and that’s with it at 25 degrees outside. Makes me wonder if the trans would over heat in the summer, I realize not everybody tows 30K pounds. I would have thought that with a brand new designed transmission, cooling would be a top priority. Your thoughts?

[@1coolvideo]

Jeff Kelmis the cooling is right where ford wants it. I’ve never seen one overheat. My 2016 runs 198°-205° on flat ground with or without a trailer.

[@benjaminwayneb]

Ford uses a transmission fluid to engine coolant heat exchanger, ambient air temp has little impact on trans. Temp.

[@mikegaebelein1841]

No reason for concern. To get an official tow rating it has to be able to do the Ike repeatedly up and down in the summer with an ambient temp of 100 degrees

[@GrandPrix46]

So the 2017 GMC you guys tested against the Freightliner M2 was only 20 seconds behind 1st place? How could the Denali be so much slower? The CM bed that 2017 had was more than enough to make up for the extra weight of the Denali package, too.

[@brushcreek]

It would also be nice to know what the rear-end axle-ratio is on all 3 trucks...

[@benjaminwayneb]

Ram 4:11 Ford 3:55 GM 3:42

[@toofastnobrakes]

benjaminwayneb ram is a 4.10. But close tho

[@TexanUSMC8089]

That's what's so crazy. I always had 4.10 in 2500 and 3500. Go check the gears in some of the f650's. I had a Ram that had 3.50 and it didn't out pull my chevy with 4.10. If you're really a hotshot driver, you don't want 3.55 or 3.42 rearend gears.

[@toofastnobrakes]

TexanUSMC8089 that’s because a 4.10 pulls better 🤨 a 3.55 in a truck is only better for highway mpg. And that’s if your empty. The 10 speed really helps make up for the high gearing but a 4.10 or 4.30 with a 10 speed will still pull easier. Just worse empty mpg

[@aideningram434]

It doesent matter which truck did best the fact of how far diesel trucks have came in 20 years is unreal

[@codyparish9379]

I think all of us could complain about each respected manufacturer until the end of time. Truth is each of these trucks are great. I personally own a ram 3500 HO cummins. I love it, but I'm not a fan boy. Could of easily been either of the three I don't care. So far it's been a fantastic truck. Could of easily been a nightmare too. But that can be said about all of them.

[@patriot8087]

Great job, love the video and all the action packed information.

[@austinkelley5614]

Great video, would love to see Dodge with a 10 speed! only complaint.... shouldn't be going off the custer for fuel consumption.

[@theminuteman2251]

Always love the raw tell it how it is videos! 👊🏽🇺🇸❤️Keep them coming

[@kevingrover1925]

Great video! I would love to see a long term reliability review of each. Maybe find some drivers of each and compare after 100 000 miles. This would give us a great idea of what truck is best.

[@hurricane8634]

Ford is the only one thatll hold up

[@kirkswanson8122]

Hurricane 863 With Ford’s history of engines, it’ll be the first to go.

[@jeff7093]

Make no mistakes the Cummings has over the Long haul showed to be the most dependable bar none..

[@josephleblanc5126]

Major difference is that the Cummins can pull that load wide open for years none stop.. We use Cummins to water flood fields here in Louisiana and they run wide open for months on 500 gallon fuel tanks they change the oil when we refuel

[@solomonstello]

That's impressive!

[@MrSpccdavid]

Impressive from all 3 but nowadays most people just buy these trucks to lift them and drive around trying to look cool

[@SSGSNAKE1]

You had mentioned the Chevy was bucking a bit more than normal, do you think it could be due to the placement of where Chevy moved the fifth wheel and goose neck location on the frame?

[@scottreasons4746]

I have a 1995 Chevy Suburban 2500 4x4 with a 454 big block with a 4L80E transmission. I wonder how it would hold up in this. Throw in an old rig in this match up!!

[@TexanUSMC8089]

2.5 mpg before the hill started....lol That's a great Suburban though.

[@thegraybeard]

Great video! As far as which truck is better, they're all great vehicles just a matter of preference. The bottom line is, if you can afford any one of these trucks, your already a winner.

[@ricwestdoesitwork]

Love these raw videos. Thanks for sharing TFL. I know I don’t like hearing the fan on the cooling F-350. I counted 6 times thE fan came. It’s a good thing Andre didn’t have the sound meter because it could have measured pretty loud cabin noise.

[@jimmykame]

Richard West I’d take the fan coming on occasionally over the ram’s constant droning

[@erikdeterman870]

Wish they would have done sound readings, especially when the fords fan kicked in. My company ‘19 f250 w/ 6.2 is loud inside. I think there’s sound canceling or something else going on because the voice recognition sucks at highway speeds.

[@TBONE21RZR]

I really enjoyed this video. Gave even more perspective. Thanks guys

[@TermiteBenny]

The Ram seemed to do the best in my opinion. It did a perfect downhill run, and in the uphill run it did a smidge better then the GMC and a little slower then the Ford but it did the entire uphill run without any engine fan kicking in and all temps lower. It wasn’t working as hard as the other two. Try this test in July with hotter ambient temps and see how these 3 trucks compare then.

[@jnk26]

Engine fan would have kicked on you just didn't hear it. Also the way the Ford dissipate heat is different. All of the heat from the powertrain goes into the coolant. Everything is oil to water(engine oil, transmission) even the intercooler in air to water. So the reason the ford was "always" on was all the waste heat was rejected into the coolant. The Ram has engine oil to water cooler and the trans and charge air cooler are oil to air, and air to air respectively. So the heat rejection is different. It's a lot slower to dissipate massive amounts it's of heat once the components are hot. The Ford can dump the heat and maintain it better(albeit its warmer). Clearly most people dont understand how hard it is to make +40k lbs run up a hill at 40mph

[@khakiswag]

I don't think the Ram or the GM was putting out maximum power. I think their computers reduce power for sustained WOT to maintain temps. Considering how close they are on paper they should've been closer in time. I think Ram and GM reduce prolong turbo boost to around 20 psi. Ford look like it was running around 30 psi turbo boost to deliver max HP and Torque, running hotter but using it's fan to stay cool. I like the Ford's programming better, it seems to account for ambient temperature. In cold temps allow for sustained high turbo boost because the fan can reduce temp 10-20 degrees in a few seconds. I bet in the summer the Ford will run the same reduced boost as the others.

[@01AudioVideo01]

Ready to see the upcoming Powerstroke 6.7 HO test when you get one. I am currently driving a '22 F450 and I love it. So much so that I drive around with my trailer empty JUST to drive! Sometimes I load my Pathfinder Armada on to feel like I'm doing something!

[@maraofenkaminservice7255]

You should finally insert the data into the videos, that would make it much better.

[@pokeygalaxy]

but only the ford shows what gear you're in??? please tell me I'm wrong on this.

[@JohnDiMartino]

These are my observations from your great footage. The GM and Ram had slower but smooth sustainable runs.... the Ford is the hot rod of the group, but the percentage of time the fan was cycling is very troubling considering the ambient temps. ,with loads like this cooling is more important than being the fastest. I’d like to see a rerun of this test on a hot summer 85-95 degree day. I don’t think the Ford has the cooling capacity to cool that 6.7 at maximum horsepower in the hot temps. The Ram has always had more than enough cooling , and the revision GM made shows they have addressed the cooling system with the new higher tow numbers. My only question is what’s going to happen to the Ford when it gets too hot? Will it de rate itself and reduce power to keep the engine from being damaged? I believe the Ram May be able to beat it on a hot august day,when the Ford starts out like a rabbit and can’t keep its cool, the Ram will eventually pass it.

[@freedomisntfree_44]

John DiMartino thats the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard 😂 I tow very heavy with my f350 AND ITS TUNED and has more power than the 2020 truck. At 110 degrees it runs just fine and stays cool...

[@RadDadisRad]

The fan kicking on is a tuning thing. It’s a preemptive strike to keep the engine cool when it sees temp rise over time. All the brands are tested in hot temperatures and do well.

[@khakiswag]

I agree with you that the Ford may run slower in the summer by derating the power output to run cooler. But did you consider that the Ram and Silverado did a slower run because their computers may already be de rating to stay cool? The Ford's turbo was putting out almost double the boost of the Ram therefore running much hotter. It maybe better programming on Ford's part. In cold weather the algorithms probably allow hotter temps because in cold weather because simply engaging the fan can easily lower fluid temps 10-20 degrees in a few seconds. My guess would be in hot summer temps the Ford will be running the same lower boost as the Ram was running, around 20 psi.

[@travispfannmuller7717]

My thoughts exactly. The chances of 99% of the population running with that much weight and that kind of a grade will alleviate the majority of that issue. Obviously all three platforms are capable of more torque but managing the temps has to be a big challenge. Gale Banks just hit 850 on the 'killing a dmax" series on a level only he or an OEM could accomplish

[@JohnDiMartino]

Silent but Deadly the other trucks didn’t even engage there fans in the run , the Fords ran a lot and it was freezing temps ... You don’t have a 2020 . Yours is probably deleted which reduces cooling system heat soaking , given how much that fan ran and the coolant temp was borderline (219?) that’s high , it’s going to get toasty in the heat of the summer ... obviously GM and Ram have more conservative tuning , there acceptable balance of engine life and output is different . I prefer the Ford , and like most others id never get it hot enough to worry I’d only get a single wheel truck I’d rather have the extra power and be able to lift as I see fit