curb your corset stereotypes

just to clarify - no hate to the actresses, their experiences are valid - the question is though, why do their corsets feel like this and what could be done to avoid horror stories like these in the future?

[@Urmom_com_my_place]

Lol 58 minutes ago

[@a.person4761]

Invest in some good corsets on set. Where’s the costume budget when corsets show up?

[@rejamrejam]

You'd think they could afford to make them corsets that fit!

[@quinevere]

it's really about the production company investing in good corsets that are fitted to the women and not just any willy billy cheap buy.

[@Efqqq32]

I think its maybe because of the fast pace of film production, the corsets aren't properly fitted and they dont season them properly so the actresses are uncomfortable.

[@lindsey9958]

It's the same way men dehydrate themselves for movies to make their muscles pop. They don't have to tightlace in order to wear a corset but they do it in films to make the actress look better. I do of course disagree with making tightlacing and dehydrated bodies appear to be the norm, it's severely damaging to both sexes and should be explained to audiences better

[@guccieyebags869]

I’m sorry they dEHYDRATE GUYS IN ORDER FOR VISUALS?!?! AINT THAT LIKE TORTURE?!?!

[@Ann-kv3yb]

@@guccieyebags869 unfortunately yes. The two examples that come to my mind are Chris Hemsworth and Jason Momoa. I believe Chris especially spoke about his experience with this during an interview for one of the Thor movies. Bulging abs like that are definitely not natural nor healthy. Edit: spelling

[@guccieyebags869]

@@Ann-kv3yb that’s a big yikes 😳 this rlly helps the normalization of unrealistic body standards huhhh.

[@Ann-kv3yb]

@@guccieyebags869 exactly!

[@morcey7154]

@@guccieyebags869 Apparently Hugh Jackman also went a few days without drinking water for many of the shots in Les Miserables. Which is potentially LETHAL for people.

[@susanalopez5052]

Honest question why is it that NO ONE on those productions cared that their actresses were in constant pain??😭😭

[@rebeccamartinez5886]

Bold of you to assume producers care about the safety and comfort of the actresses. In the end, it all comes down to money and sex appeal, sadly. 😭

[@susanalopez5052]

@@rebeccamartinez5886 spill 👏👏

[@KasumiRINA]

Did you miss the whole #MeToo movement? Like, the biggest scandals were specifically about rapey horny producers treating women like disposable property.

[@susanalopez5052]

@@KasumiRINA no I didn’t miss it, it was rhetorical😭😭 I hate Hollywood producers

[@annaboes8359]

(like your boss cares that you have to wear shape wear because the bussiness costume that is your uniform just won't fit without it? Or the fact that the arms on that t-shirt that is part of your company's teambuilding-thing are so wide that you have to wear another shirt underneath, because boobage? Or that it's ok for your co-workers to wear flats, cause, of course, guys don't wear heels, but that even the sixty-seven year old, athritical woman on the third floor without any contact to customers has to wear 'nice' shoes, as in, at least two inch heels? I see your point...)

[@blablah9938]

I think that the sentence: "corsets are awful to wear" should be transformed into: "the fast hollywood production gave us corsets which hurted us".

[@blablah9938]

I think the hate from actresses might be appropriate, for they dont have the education on corsetry and thus do not know that the thing they must wear is made badly. No hate to the costuming department either, because they are not given the time and resources to make the corset sit properly.

[@froggy904]

@@blablah9938 They're probably not experienced enough with corsetry either

[@camerokid78]

@@froggy904 how would one find a proper corset?

[@definitelynotalizard]

@@camerokid78 Corsets should be made to a person's measurements by someone skilled and educated in corsetry, and shouldn't be worn on bare skin. You also aren't meant to tight lace if you want to do anything other than stand up for ten minutes. A lot of Hollywood productions use standard size corsets, often on bare skin for sex appeal, and tight lace them so they become more of a waist trainer than bust support.

[@renoloverxoxo]

I have a cheap mass produced one and it doesn't hurt. They're just being over tightened.

[@Kettie5]

Movie corsets: literally making their insides a sinkhole of crushed bones Real corsets: *p a r k o u r*

[@hiitsnicetomeetyou]

Parcorset?

[@sunsetdreams4921]

@@hiitsnicetomeetyou *parkourset*

[@hiitsnicetomeetyou]

@@Abccd187 I'm doing well! I hope you're having a great day :)

[@mrdemann702]

This is a wholesome thread. I'll make my home here.

[@sunsetdreams4921]

@@mrdemann702 welcome 😃

[@virginiamooney4105]

the montage of women skiing, fencing, hiking, dancing, and simply vibing in their corsets added an extra year to my lifespan

[@melissalonla]

and three to mine

[@morganlowe3353]

Yes I could watch a 2-hour video of just that ❤️ I freaking love you sisters.

[@bodyofhope]

Can the extra year be traded for 2020? Asking for a friend.

[@tinakoernermashood6422]

Word!!!

[@lucianapontoriero4070]

Omg yes, it was so cuteeeee

[@_timothy_tomato_9801]

i do think the actresses were in pain in their corsets because they weren’t made properly, so they’re not making that up but it is annoying how they bash them as if it were the single most opressive thing in history

[@pukebox__]

(jeff blim!!!!) you're probably so right but i do also think that hollywood really is just tightlacing their actresses constantly, as if there aren't enough body image issues everywhere already :)

[@SM-qv2om]

I think you're right, corsets were made to fit you perfectly

[@YuenQestir]

well yes, but some scenes were from movies so there's another layer of inaccuracy there

[@areomorales6511]

Yeah definitely, the Hollywood corsets are all about the silhouette and not support, so they’re probably not made for actual genuine wear

[@GonzaloWorl97]

I find that very interesting... Could it be that Hollywood is making the corsets uncomfortable on purpose? I'll tell you something, some months ago I finished my first corset (I got the pattern from the Symington collection) and despite being a newbie to sewing my model found it quite comfortable. It is true that it doesn't give her a lot of waist reduction (like 2 inch or something) but ever since then I have been wondering, if I managed to make a comfortable corset, couldn't Hollywood make them too? Couldn't they being making uncomfortable corset just to have actresses complaining about them so that audiences think "wow corset are torture devices"? Goodness sorry for the long comment lol 😆

[@SarahZ]

Karolina’s salt about inaccurate corset representation gives me life

[@mariahhenderson1470]

You're here!

[@TheBc99]

This comment is the crossover we didn't know we needed. 0_0

[@Kim-dl2uk]

Please please please make a 45 minute video about it

[@hellothere-bo7bn]

Well I didn’t expect to see you here

[@Alice-gr1kb]

SARAH Z OMG

[@angelamalik9437]

The slideshow at the end was actually really empowering to watch, somehow. Because corsets or no corsets, we don't see enough images of women from those times being active. I love it.

[@bigasspockets]

I agree, I also really love the “what did poor people wear” video for this same reason

[@kialuvsyoo]

yes I thought the same!

[@tink6225]

which is why i watch murdoch mysteries

[@gingersal8052]

Yes! And having fun :-) lovely to see

[@cheekythunderthighs8965]

I was thinking the same thing. Loved the photos of the girls boxing.

[@Jojo-sx7py]

I thought these high budget movies would at least buy them a decent corset, I love my corsets and some are sooo confortable that I have even taken an impromptu nap in it I mean come on

[@lunaloo8224]

SERIOUSLY THOUGH. Even WITH tightlacing (since I’m a bit of a thick b and I was using a friends mothers outfit + corset that was just a bit smaller than my torso), I managed to keep one on and do all sorts of ren fest activities for 8 hours... before eventually I just got tired of being around people and got a little pinchy (not more than when I wear an underwired bra tho!). Buy them decent corsets! Get their size! Measure them again and again! Let them get used to wearing corsets beforehand so they know how it feels to have a full length support garment (with metal stays in the front, but.)

[@theideaofevil]

I mean fuck, I'm still seasoning mine but I put in a decent amount of effort getting it sized correctly and I've already napped in it!

[@faelger9473]

yeah thats not good though either...dont get to comfortable a certain corset. Its can change the way your back diverts pressure and weight. Its all like anything that feels good. Too much good.....

[@krismine99]

Didn't even know people still wore them

[@Jojo-sx7py]

@@krismine99 they’re super cute and makes you feel like a whole new person

[@CathyHay]

Trust Karolina to take the seething rage of an entire subculture and transmute it into comedy. Well played, Madam, well played. 10/10

[@tenarzatuanu3738]

Oh hi Cathy!

[@aylamanning6491]

From one Queen to another! Both of you are great! 😁😁😁

[@rachelrothrock]

Omg hey Cathy

[@Roberta_Trevino]

Do you mean 19/10?

[@IvoryTowerPodcast]

Cathy!

[@kathrynvincent1563]

Alternative title: Hollywood is bad at caring for their actresses

[@Gugunet26]

Yeah, by the looks of it the corsets were probably poorly made and/or were laced way too tightly

[@Jen321able]

Yeah. Like why are the costume designers lacing them in so tight?

[@kathrynvincent1563]

@@Jen321able Misinformation and a director’s “vision” that includes little research

[@YuenQestir]

well yes, but some scenes were from movies so there's another layer of inaccuracy there

[@susanalopez5052]

I believe Nicole Kidman literally broke a rib😭😭😭

[@sassythesasquatch1794]

I think an actual fashion historian actually said "if the corset is painful or restricting your breathing your wearing it wrong"

[@bleachdemon7321]

Very true. Worked with clothing historians and in farm settings with women in corsets; they had no troubles in any movement or activity. And a few times the women essentially had armor on compared to us men. Ha

[@benfrese3573]

*you're

[@moonlight-wp8lq]

​@@benfrese3573Nowadays everyone does the Your/Ur mistake It became normal

[@YumeraChauque]

​@@moonlight-wp8lqyes,but just because is normal doesnt mean is correct.

[@kezkai]

1. Spend more money on actual, well fitted, well made corsets 2. Stop going for extreme aesthetic 3. if you are going for extreme aesthetic actually communicate to the actors involved what the differences are and how they will feel instead of "ha yes this be corsets, don't die!"

[@katherinemorelle7115]

Also, if you want that extreme aesthetic, it’s far easier to pad out the surrounding areas, than to tight lace in the waist. Which is exactly what women of the time did.

[@kezkai]

@@katherinemorelle7115 yes!!!!!

[@maidende8280]

Also, GRADUALLY work on tightening & breaking in the corset.

[@hannahbradshaw2186]

I’ve never understood why Elizabeth in Pirates of the Caribbean is like “women in London must have learned not to breathe”, because she’s wearing mid-18th century stays, not an hourglass corset! It doesn’t do the same thing and shouldn’t be that tight! It’s as if people think all corsets/bodies/stays do the same thing, when in fact they create very different silhouettes. Plus I think women in films often say that to be self aware and badass to relate to modern audiences but it takes me out of the story instantly 🙄

[@johannageisel5390]

Don't forget they had hand-sewn eylet holes, no metal grommets. They weren't even able to take that much strength. Oh, and I think they were also spiral laced. I want to see how one pulls spiral lacing tight just by pulling one part of it in a quick jerk.

[@heatherhernandez4304]

And she would have already been wearing stays. She would still have to follow British society norms as an upper class woman.

[@hannahbradshaw2186]

@@heatherhernandez4304 exactly! It's not like this new pair of stays would be hugely different from her previous ones. And they'd be perfectly tailored to her body.....makes no sense haha!

[@SusanYeske701]

See, I read it as her dad had ordered her a dress but due to the shipping/manufacturing time, by the time it got there she had grown and the measurements were off. She was supposed to be a teenager in that first movie, after all.

[@ada4639]

@@SusanYeske701 i also saw it as the fact they were living on an island, and the (i’m assuming servants because i can’t remember who helped her dress) had probably never seen stays like those and neither had elizabeth so they didn’t really know what to do with them. maybe i’m wrong tho :/ your theory is actually really good though!

[@hayleyvonbose3131]

Emma Stone said it herself: "Women existed in [corsets] for a long time." Nobody wants to subject themselves to torture on the daily. People were not stupider 100 years ago. Shame the quality wasn't there for them in the costume.

[@nikobitan7294]

And yet, foot binding existed. And women in Saudi Arabia and throughout history go their lives being treated as basically subhuman property.

[@probablywhisper3277]

@@nikobitan7294 part of that is social brainwashing. It’s difficult to go against the grain, especially when it is a hundred times easier to just go with the flow edit: as someone has pointed out, culture plays a large role as well. a very large role.

[@shifa444]

@@nikobitan7294 yes but only the rich people used to do foot binding tho.

[@geegurl25]

Honestly since the start of the pandemic I’ve existed without a bra on. It’s seriously the most constricting piece of apparel I have to put on to go out in public... I need to get used to it again. Right now I have no idea how I did this everyday for 30 years!

[@thetiredworm2100]

Well people were stupider in many ways, but I get your point. Corset knowledge is lacking today and people today are stupid in that area, they lack the knowledge on corsets.

[@phenix1947]

Old time corsets were made to be worn comfortably in everyday life, movie corsets are made to look good on screen which means to give the actresses as thin a waist as possible

[@borbie2409]

You know something, I feel like this is a symptom of a much bigger problem, the problem of people in modern times assuming people of the past were backward and ignorant, rather than just...People. Too often when people look bast on the past , they're so arrogant about the progress we've made and how good we have it now. And I can almost guarantee you many if not most of those actresses regularly wear girdles, cinchers, waist trainers, etc. We still wear modified corsets. My prom dress had a corset backing because it was strapless and I needed it to hold up my honkers, I loved it.

[@agnesbroom4982]

Yesss!!

[@makeda6530]

Exactly

[@Cationna]

You're right and you should say it!!!! I think it comes from valuing progress in and of itself and above all.

[@OcarinaSapphr-]

I believe the term for it is ‘Chronological Snobbery’- I heard that somewhere, & it made so much sense to me - like, so many people assume that everything/ everyone in the past was: harder, dirtier, stupider -- “People didn’t know d*ck about cleanliness; if you were a commoner, you just lived in sh$t- & if you were rich, you covered everything up with perfume...” Like, b*tch, please....

[@DreamsFuzzy]

Right? People sometimes have this kind of pity like thinking, kind of like people from the past are beneath us in some way, and they just suffered. We have to remember that though they might not have had the same knowledge we do for the most part, they were still homo sapiens sapiens xD literally the same species so like in terms of intellect they are the absolute same. We also have to remember we only got to where we are because people from the past made the discoveries that built on modern society. Maybe if more people liked learning about the past and history more we wouldn't have this problem xD

[@gabbymae7]

Can't wait for movies in a thousand years to act like bras stabbed women's hearts daily.

[@thevoidstaresback4464]

"I can't believe women did this everyday. I felt like it gave me a heart attack and my ribs broke."

[@lisaharmon5619]

ROFL!

[@erikas3264]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You're amazing ^_^

[@the1anonymouse]

"The underwire in this bra literally impaled my heart and killed the person behind me as well"

[@lucasmcinnis5045]

In a distant future where humans have lost the need for breasts and all humans are flat chested, movies set in the 21st century will have a dramatic bra scene where a woman takes it off and you see the marks on her back and shoulders, and the chaffing around her ribcage. The main character will complain of her aching back and be told that's just how things are

[@florencialandriel6925]

As a latina girls, I had my quinceañera at 15 and had a gorgeous corset made (the construction integrated in the upper part of the dress). It was beautiful and done to measure so it supported me well and forced me to have good posture. I remember it being comfortable as I danced all night long. When something fits you correctly, it's not supposed to hurt you.

[@MikaMoonlight]

Same here! My dad even carried me on his shoulders at one point

[@florencialandriel6925]

@@MikaMoonlight hell yeah! I didn't get carried around but my friend danced a whole ass choreo with her dress and it was super cool

[@florallyclover]

they just force actresses into tiny corsets, i doubt they care that it’s not their proper size

[@hbleblanc205]

So basically we need better corset makers.

[@iwillsueminyoongibecausehe8825]

@@florallyclover YES ISTG HOLLYWOOD DOEST DO RESEARCH

[@aidan738]

My girlfriend works at Dunkin’ Donuts and wears her corset everyday to work just for fun. It makes her feel comfortable, confident, and helps with her posture. She loves it. More power to you ladies out there, I could never.

[@LA-cm9uo]

Which one did she buy? I'd like a link please!

[@Currentlyprocrastinating37]

@@LA-cm9uo if you want a corset for yourself, you should have it fitted for you. We all have different ratios and sizes that mass made ones don’t fit right. They are pretty pricey though, so beware of that!

[@ironwingartist5578]

@@LA-cm9uo yeah if you could get a tailored one from a professional corset maker or experiment in making your own if you know how to sew that would be best! Mass made ones really don’t account for higher or lower waistlines and aren’t made to last at all

[@themurrrr]

In the same way Hollywood is always making women lose more and more weight, they probably make them tight lace the corsets. Maybe they even have the costume department make corsets in such a way as to make them look EXTRA SLENDER and thus: the corset is uncomfortable. How many actresses have been told to lose weight for a part. Too many to count. Listen to all the non-corset uncomfortably costumes they are made to wear. In Grease, Olivia Newton John was sown into her pants in the final scene. SOWN INTO THEM. Hollywood, as usual, has nothing to do with realism and realistic expectations. Women are never slender enough, pretty enough, etc. They are under constant pressure to fulfill unrealistic expectations of supposed beauty ideals and standards.

[@KasumiRINA]

People weren't as big in older eras because average height was smaller and food wasn't as available... so using historical clothing measurements for modern human bodies is ridiculous. Weight stuff, it's a thing for actors to brag about losing or gaining weight for role, Oscar bait-worthy too, worked for Anne Hathaway and Natalie Portman... or maybe that was the shaved heads? xD Works both ways, Kate Beckinsale is super fit IRL so they made her GAIN like 10 kilos to play Ava Gardner (who was less sporty) in Aviator... and it's not just women, look at Bale in Machinist, or Jared Leto... see-sawing. As to uncomfortable costumes, they VACUUMED Michelle Pfeiffer into catgirl suit! xD But that makes sense cause it's a superhero costume, it's not supposed to be realistic. Meanwhile, period films all have the idea that anything before 90s was unwearable, women couldn't breathe and knights wore armor that made them unable to mount a horse (which is ridiculous if you think about it) cue to channels like this facepalming and climbing in a corset, and guys filming videos doing flips and cartwheels in real full plate mail))) Cause most armor weighted _less_ than modern marine's backpack.

[@themurrrr]

@@KasumiRINA I have seen vids from costume ladies on youtube looking into these supposed smaller sizes in olden days and debunking them. At least in part. For example, beautiful gowns found, in indeed smaller waist sizes, but that was because most likely, they were worn by teenagers, not grown women. Tho, this will all differ on how far back you go and what people where, etc. But people were not vastly different in size, generally speaking, one hundred years ago. I realize Hollywood isn’t about realism, but real actors are taking real health risks. Yes, they are encouraged to do so, doesn’t make it right. Fantasy achieved with special effects is different than fantasy achieved by really putting people’s actual health at risk. The question is: is it really still a choice when it becomes an expectation? Also, it becomes an issue when the public is not aware of what it takes to achieve these beauty goals and think this is something the average person should and could strive for.

[@burdistan]

I believe it's quite common for celebs to be sewn into dresser for award shows and the like. Or wearing multiple layers of spanx. They often can't sit down at all so they lie down in the car on their way to the event lol. I read an interview with a celebrity stylist once where she said that an actress couldn't even go to the bathroom bc of her dress.

[@themurrrr]

@@burdistan LOL!!!!! One car per celeb lady, cuz she taking up the whole back seat, and she keep asking: are we there yet, are we there yet????? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Omg, the celeb life is definitely NOT for me.

[@gracethome6959]

Wait that's a great point, I've never even considered that as a factor

[@ione97]

There were literally “sporting corsets” at one point in time, that were comfortable enough for women to play tennis and ride horseback in

[@sarahs.9678]

Yep!! Women in hot places and seasons where corsets that allowed for ventilation. I hate the modern cynical, narrow-minded view that everyone in the past was dumb and oppressive all the time. We need to stop with the nonsense. Learn from history, but don’t try to rewrite it.

[@hulamames8650]

STILL NOT COMFORTABLE ENOUGH

[@tobinfromfireemblem9742]

@@sarahs.9678 it's ironic really, victorian people made people in the middle ages to be stupid idiots, and we're doing that with them now

[@vond5829]

@@sarahs.9678 They're trying to feed feminism by saying that "This is what women had to go through in the past so give me some rights!"

[@euphony5552]

It was also for support and acted like a bra for times there were no bras.

[@ahumanistpotato]

"I'll wear a corset" *ties it so tight that she can't breathe* "Corsets are painful!"

[@chiefpurrfect8389]

I'll have you know corsets stole my credit card, run over my cat and threw legos all over my floor. Their reign of terror must be stopped.

[@Rio-chii]

The corset has also caused all the wars in the world and poisoned Navalny! We should punish them!

[@KasumiRINA]

I mean, you can _literally lace your shoes so tight you can't walk,_ I imagine future movies about those cool kids with the pumped up kicks screaming in agony as a French maid with cat ears tight-laces their Nikes... cause that's totally what happened in 90s)))

[@lemon3942]

@Lisa di Antonio Maria Gherardini what?

[@lemon3942]

@Lisa di Antonio Maria Gherardini Did we do something bad to you?

[@NosebleeddeGroselha]

This is literally why I gave up on questioning and debating my mom. I had this dialogue with her recently: "So I've researched a lot about corsets in Victorian and Edwardian periods recently" "Ah, they were horrible, weren't they? 😔" "Actually it was a very normal thing, it was just like bras" "Yeah, it's terrible 😔" "No, they were actually normal, women could normally function in them" "Poor girls, getting used to this terrible torture instrument 😔" "But it wasn't a torture instrument" "Indeed, they didn't realize they were being tortured for centuries😔" "Women could literally do sports in corsets, it wasn't hurtful..." "Yes, they didn't know how hurt they were 😔" "If they are done properly for your body corsets don't hurt you" "And that's exactly what they didn't use do 😔"

[@rose-gl4io]

Whot. 😀😀💀

Idk why someone just stopped one day and thought "oh yeah, this cloth very common and popular between woman back then is sexist because yes"

[@hiidupiidu3292]

@ isn't that what we do with most things lmao

[@patriciawilkin1258]

@ wasn’t it a thing men made up because corsets were part of an industry made up of predominantly women and they wanted to tear women down? not completely sure tho

[@thetongueofangels1882]

Why do i find this so funny😂😂😂

[@samppu9790]

the interviewer: they made you go in a CAR with a corset???? victorian woman: *dances on a cliff*

[@hannahbg1852]

Lmfaooo

[@libbyfemenella1308]

I wheezed when it did the little zoom

[@cheesemansanders]

1:15 you’re welcome

[@mcscusemeb6132]

Eventually it got less painful cuz they wore them everyday, google it they kept a kidney of a women who always wore a corset and it’s so misshapen, can you not let women say at least once they had it hard

[@samppu9790]

@@mcscusemeb6132 the point is that corsets were actually good for your spine and they werent supposed to hurt, but men started to call womens fashion crazy and stupid as a way to put women down

[@chaotic-goodartistry3903]

If someone wears an ill-fitting pair of shoes, they wouldn't call the shoes evil, they'd find a pair that fit them. Same concept should apply with corsets Edit: Wow this blew up... And let me elaborate that yes some people have trouble finding mass-manufactured shoes that fit, which can lead to a similar view with shoes.... which is actually a great point relating to corsets since while a greater number of people fit mass-manufactured shoes so don't need to get custom in order to not be severely uncomfortable, the opposite is true with corsets, as very few fit the mass-manufactured sizes, so if one wants a well-fitting corset that won't be severely uncomfortable, custom is the way to go.

[@pneumarian]

Yes I would! :P

[@Call-me-Al]

People with less common foot shapes can get upset and proclaim shoes to be evil. But that's a problem with mass produced shoes, not shoes inherently, but since mass produced shoes is usually all they have available, they easily can just consider shoes and mass production issues with shoes the same thing. Like if you have super extra wide feet. So, since corsets are absolutely not an item that can be mass manifactured, unlike many types of shoes, it's easy to see why people might misunderstand corsets as evil compared to shoes. Because way fewer shoe wearers have the "shoes evil" experience in their life

[@susanalopez5052]

I mean, people do find heels to be evil. Like the corsets=evil/anti feminist demonization is not exclusive to corsets, it happens to heels, it happens to bras. It’s misplaced but it’s not exclusive

[@AlexaFaie]

I've not worn shoes since the last time I left the house which was back in February and I put some on today to help my boyfriend in the garden (just holding the ladder whilst he was cleaning out the blocked guttering, so nothing hard going) and even my super duper comfortable shoes I love to bits actually hurt after wearing them for only an hour max. The issue wasn't with the shoes, but with me having not worn them for so long that my feet just weren't used to being in them any more. (Well that and I have hypermobility so my joints just do whatever they want and may have been out of place a bit before I put the shoes on who knows?) I think that's probably a similar thing that is happening with many of the actresses since they just get sort of thrown in at the deep end with corsetry. Also, when I was much thinner than I am now (34", 24", 34" as my natural measurements) there just wasn't any natural padding over the fronts of my hip bones and so even my first custom corset I got was somewhat painful over the hip bones if I didn't put padding over them before lacing up. I learned quite quickly that I actually needed to give a larger hip measurement than I needed to alleviate those pressure points. The actresses being laced up often have a similar kind of figure type to what I used to have so probably have more hot-spots that need careful addressing than someone who has a bit more padding on them naturally. Nowadays with more natural padding, I don't have that issue there (but I've also learned what styles to look for so that's helped too). They also tend to do a lot of exercise in their day to day life because the current trend is to try to exercise to get a small waist (doesn't actually work of course) but the kind of exercise that involves actually strengthens and tightens the very muscles at the sides of the waist which a corset displaces to create the shape. The more muscular someone is, the harder they find it to reduce their waist in a corset - muscle just doesn't compress well. So you've got these actresses who are taught to exercise, with little natural padding, being laced into garments that can still have pressure points just from the metal bones being a different feeling to fabric, and then to make it even more fun, they'll not be eating well either and on set often don't have enough food or drink on hand. Its a recipe for disaster really.

[@Ceci-db8kh]

@@susanalopez5052 I, for example, went through my late teens in love with heels, I used scarpins for absolutely no reason other than to admire how beautiful they looked and how my legs and feet look in a pretty pair of heels. I admit I might have a shoe addiction, but my shoes feel comfortable to me. Specially because for some reason wearing just flat shoes for too long also makes my feet hurt, go figure...

[@Sund00d]

pro tip: don’t watch the first 30 seconds of this out loud around other people 😐🧍🏼‍♀️

[@sukanya5764]

I was looking for this comment lol

[@moona5336]

Oh... I wish I had seen this comment before ;-;

[@symphonysonic8643]

I was rapidly turning the volume down 😂

[@skylor8541]

I was looking for this comment 💀

[@imliteralyjust3405]

yeh I, I made that mistake ... I'm in the most echoe room in the house and its night so everyone is quiet

[@thetwinnet]

Putting the argument aside its really cool seeing the fun photographs of victorian ladies having fun on mountains and clifftops and sporting and generally not giving a damn.

[@alexiz0013]

"Generally not giving a damn" Yess, haha! I love it. They were just having a freaking blast out there.

[@nicholaskurzak]

Modern actresses: I can't breathe Victorian Women: alright time to go _climb a mountain_

[@LixiaWinter]

Or do a handstand on the shoulders of another properly corseted woman

[@veronicavatter6436]

And dance at the top

[@cruxcrumble]

Or idk... Do everyday things without having problems because they properly know how a corset works-

[@abelmartinezmujica3915]

Weak doge strong doge meme?

[@sarroumarbeu6810]

@@abelmartinezmujica3915 doge*

[@ninavinterova9875]

I'm a simple woman. I see Karolina post about corsets, I click.

[@oywiththepoodlesalready]

Amen

[@spacemonkey340]

Same!!

[@samhg3658]

Yes sis

[@mabelpines2060]

I'm a simple woman. I see Karolina post, I click

[@Montana_horseman]

This is the first time I've seen a "I'm a simple woman" (not man) comment. Thumbs up!

[@yunseaweed]

Ah, I see meme mom is showing us her album of pictures she's taken over the many hundred years she's been alive.

[@niktiksinski6227]

just imagine her meme folder

[@yunseaweed]

@@niktiksinski6227 i wonder what her 19th century memes look like

[@tuanonnasibuca]

Hi, theatre and movie seamstress here. It's not that we are sadistic or we aren't able to make right fitting corsets, usually the costume designers ask for a precise and extreme shape, that's not even, most of the times, historically accurate. The way corsets are worn in movies is very different from the way they were worn historically. Plus the long hours on set (up to 13), plus the fact that the actress is not used to corsets, plus the fact that it feels good to play the victim in an interview, and here you go

[@Its_sabribri]

I was waiting for someone with costume to comment and share their view! You deserve more likes!

[@jackbombay1423]

To play the victim is just what you had to say. We understand that pretty clear. ;)

[@itsbritneybyotch7471]

@@jackbombay1423 wat

[@jackbombay1423]

@@itsbritneybyotch7471 Can´t you read?

[@mm4843]

The problem is that movies/actresses should not act like corsets are evil

[@EmpressEmbeth]

When I bought my first corset at 18, my mother went with me (which was HILARIOUS because I did my research and the best corset retailer in my area was a fetish shop... she did NOT like that one) and complained the whole time about how I was setting feminism back, how she'd fought for my right to wear jeans, how I was torturing myself, all this stuff. The shop workers and I kind of ignored her lol but I did spend a total of THREE HOURS there getting fitted, because none of the corsets they tried on me fit right. And I KNEW they didn't fit right because they weren't comfortable! Finally, about 2 hours in, the manager came over to help and we realized that despite my being really short (only 5' tall) so no one thought of it, I have a long waist. So I will add to the commentary of "if you can't breathe your corset is too tight" with, "Also, if you're in pain, there's a chance the waist of the corset is sitting in the wrong place on your body." Once we got me into a longline model, it was an instant change. Like a hug all over, because the shape just worked for my body. If costume departments on films were allowed to have this same discretion when fitting corsets to actresses, and if they actually had education on the history and methodology of corsetry, we'd see a lot fewer interviews like this.

[@fredrickdoberman]

this comment needs more attention

[@hehehe785]

@@fredrickdoberman yes it does

[@MexicanGirlChingao]

awesome

[@idontwannalive5386]

"How she'd fought for my rights to wear jeans" Tell her that she didn't fight for your rights to wear jeans, she fought for your rights to wear whatever you want.

[@binita4672]

Did the corset clap

[@offeze]

Now: I had to sit down in a corset Then: I climbed Mount Everest in a corset

[@bip5395]

To be fully precise: not Mt Everes (first woman, 1975) but still xD Although first men on Lhotse in the winter time was wearing orthopedic corset. Does it count? :D

[@prettyytrash]

@@bip5395 it was an exaggeration😀

[@bip5395]

@@prettyytrash I know xD I just found it quite funny that there actually was someone who climed one of the highest mountains on the globe in corset ;) that was the point

[@MsDudette21]

judy garland also wore a corset in wizard of oz and looked totally fine..but she was abused throughout the entirety of the filming. also many women use corsets to make their waist thinner which can fuck up your body.

[@unseasonedweed]

Ah yes

Imagine saying stuff like "the pants were so thigh I couldn't bend my knees" and not thinking that's an indicator that you're using the incorrect size

[@dnte666]

Thigh?

[@miarose7315]

Lol I have a pair of Jean's like that, actually. It's a chore just to sit down and it's basically me free falling until I land

[@diss8702]

to be fair, that's how 12 years old me spoke about bras when I hadn't worn any before and didn't know how to figure out my own size

[@adaslothland850]

Accurate

[@alberthorn180]

To be fair, hollywood isnt run and/or is full of 12 yos.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

@@alberthorn180 Sure about that?

[@alberthorn180]

@@legrandliseurtri7495 I am sure about the "isnt run" part.

[@peanutgallery123]

"i couldn't breathe!" opera singers, using corsets even in modern day performances to support their diaphragms: "huh?"

[@joseangeles8382]

I imagined an opera singer being all “huuooooaahh?”🤣

[@myladyswardrobe]

Absolutely! The hey day of Corsetry as we know it was right at the same time as the rise of the Opera Diva! Who wore corsets!!

[@kattkatt744]

The irony is that those opera coresets are the armoured tank of corsets also, since they have to withstand quite a bit of abuse, but they are well constructed by people who know what they are doing so they are usable.

[@kaehenning9051]

And even if you are wearing a ridiculously tight laced corset, unless it goes all the way up to your neck, YOU CAN STILL BREATHE. Oof, it's like people never heard the phrase "heaving bussoms". Yes, a tight laced corset might make you breathe up rather than out, but it won't stop you from getting more than enough air.

[@helenwalter6830]

okay so opera singers don't wear corsets to 'support' their diaphragm because to properly use your diaphragm your abdomen expands outwards because your diaphragm creates a vacuum in your body to suck air in and thus you can't expand as much so you need to alter slightly the way you're breathing. Opera singers can still sing very well but corsets do not help them. (I personally have never sung with a properly made corset and am not an opera singer but I do have experience singing with stomach restriction)

[@KetelePNeves]

0:10 maaan, i was watching without earphones, in maximum volume, my father was like O.O

[@Bangsy3000]

SAME OMG

[@noone-yo6rd]

same😭😭

[@Tony-hv8wz]

*kicks door in* Are ya winning son?!

[@HawkinaBox]

lmao

[@emilygriffith6702]

I’m in my bedroom at night and that played at high volume :((

[@klaragoraca7710]

I am willing to become a hollywood actress only to be asked a question about corsets on an interview so I could finally be able to explain why it's okay to wear them

[@josiegraffjewelrydesign6907]

Same!!!

[@alisakomendova3514]

I'm willing to become a hollywood filmmaker only to have actual historians and fashion experts as advisors on set to get things right

[@CiaLaVirago]

Honestly? Same.

[@janyabhatt23]

Do it We're here for you

[@maia3281]

actress: "i nearly died, it was like having a child but worst, that cut me in half" victorian women: *haha cliff go boom*

[@fairy_queen85]

Cliff go boom xD

[@tattedlace2086]

Victorian women: wear corsets *and* have babies.

[@alexiz0013]

😂 Okay, this comment is freaking hilarious but it's TRUE!

[@dhanushr04]

@@alexiz0013 umm pregnant women never wore corsets ,unless they wanted a deformed baby

[@alexiz0013]

@@dhanushr04 What? Who said they did? I was replying to Maia's joke

[@TrueImmortality]

My mom has been in several stage productions of Shakespeare. She's a fit and thin lady. They always made her costumes ridiculously tight because of it. On the occasion where she did in fact wear stays they made them so tight it was hard for her to breathe. I think that could be the problem with Hollywood corsets.

[@sigismundafvolsung5526]

I think Hollywood, like most people, have a pretty poor understanding of historical clothing in general. Male under-vests have a similar type of misunderstanding. If you don’t think about it it’s really easy to understand why people think they’re meant to be insanely tight, but if you wear them on more than one occasion you figure it out.

[@misslegas575]

I think this is more the case. Indeed

[@briaormead4239]

@@sigismundafvolsung5526 It's not only clothing. It's everything. The sceneries, the food, the culture, the way people fight (whether it's a duel or a battle, i mean one can forgive duels since it's mostly for the movie to be exciting but damn are battles in movies dumb asf), there is so many fuck ups on Hollywood's part when it comes to historical accuracy. But oh hey it's not only the historical stuff either have you seen a hacking scene? Let's be honest hollywood is only good for fancy effects and sarcastic one liners. They fuck up everything else.

[@archer1949]

I once saw a fully corseted and made up drag performer, who must have weighed at least 250, go through a juggling routine that ended with a handstand and a full split. All on a sandy uneven beach. Just sayin’.

[@psychedelicyeti6053]

Where's the video, that sounds awesome 😭

[@archer1949]

Psychedelic Yeti This was years ago. Pre KZbin and phone cameras.

[@Omgits7ito]

"they made you get in a car inna corset?! " Cut to Myrtle, Ingrid, and Gladys biking, boxing and mountain climbing 🤣

[@Sigh.Klopps]

To the tune of “If You’re Happy and You Know it”: If you can’t breathe then your corset is too tight! If you can’t breathe then your corset is too tight! If you find yourself complaining and really really straining... If you can’t breathe then your corset is too tight! *clap clap* EDIT: y’all can keep commenting what you would have done but I’m not changing it

[@LaDivinaLover]

This wins!! Though it should be breathe not breath :P

[@nimkii-d5d]

👏👏

[@Spineless-Lobster]

This is beautiful!

[@sylviedabee]

Yes and amen🙌🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😂

[@Guthix744]

I would change the third line to "If you find yourself complaining and you're really really straining..." to keep the original number of syllables :) Karolina singing this one would be a prime youtube intro material imo...

[@katrin6388]

why is it that people want to perpetuate the idea that women were basically plants before the 20th century? from the pictures i am seeing, women did have ALOT of fun even in the patriarchy

yes! I feel like while bashing the patriarchy in previous eras people unintentionally trivialize women’s experiences. like true, those were shitty times for women, but it doesn’t mean they didn’t live their lives to the fullest

[@dalkay]

@ AH thank you! I tried to tell this to a friend one time and she couldn’t believe that women weren’t totally miserable at all times in the past. We’re always been stronger than people think. 😎✌️

[@KasumiRINA]

Ancient Greek ideals that got revitalized by certain political groups... includes both racial purity bullshit and women's role being sit-at-home seamstress.

[@1974-z4q]

@ oop curse words 😗

[@sisuguillam5109]

@@fruitygarlic3601 😂

[@kayak3595]

The amount of sheer passive aggressiveness that radiates from the last part is inspiring

[@Cybeldina]

I’ve been wearing corsets for a long time, and I don’t know if it’s just me, but I actually find them comfy because they force me to keep a perfect posture.

[@Qwerty-wk3jy]

These actresses must be using wrong mesured ones I whould like to try using one though

[@LA-cm9uo]

Which one do you recommend?

[@WithADashOfBran]

0:10 Y'all tryna get me in trouble. I swear

[@gstreamer7067]

SAME 💀💀

[@pieckfinger7169]

Lmao I pranked my sister by replaying the time stamp and saying, "I'll watch some s*x alright" then she kept saying "HUH????" While im smiling at the screen so eagerly lmao then showed this video😂

[@GippyHappy]

my volume went down so fast

[@MinkyTwats]

just close your eyes

[@katsa6052]

Luckily I had headphones 😂

[@noodlepoodle3582]

How come my small college can make several custom made, period accurate, well-fitted corsets for multiple actors in less than a month with nothing but volunteers but multi billion dollar movie companies can’t bother to fit them to their actors?

[@Amy_the_Lizard]

Incompetence?

[@noodlepoodle3582]

@@Amy_the_Lizard Either that or they want to make the actresses look even skinnier (which is a big yikes)

[@Victoriascarn]

@@noodlepoodle3582 yeah, it’s likely they use the corsets to make them look like they are way smaller then they actually are. Hollywood is all about exaggerating the female body any way possible.

[@ashtoreth3505]

And it will get the movie more attention because the actresses will be like "i suffered so much in this movie production!! Acting in this corsett was soo hard!!"

[@mandypandy111ify]

The answer is simple: TV show/movie crews don't care about the actors and actresses as people, nor do they care about historical accuracy. Your college, on the other hand, cared a lot about both those things.

[@anneshirley2095]

Interviewers in year 2320: "They made you get in a car wearing a bra!?"

[@mikanchan322]

i cant believe we're still wearing bras in 2020..oppression

[@KasumiRINA]

We already have that thing now with high heels... imagine that, _men_ wore heeled shoes _to ride horses more comfortably._

[@mikanchan322]

@@KasumiRINA heels, yes but not high heels. I believe very high and thin heels have actually been shown to be bad for your feet and posture (back)

[@sisuguillam5109]

@@mikanchan322 it's a combination of height and shite construction... With regard to riding boots having heels... you standing up in riding boots all day? Walking around in them all day? And they are how high?

[@PestoPasta666]

oh god I just got war flashbacks of getting stuck in a stirrup and the only part that detached when I fell was the stirrup bars, never wear completely flat bottomed shoes to riding (sneakers, crocs, ballerinas)

[@GippyHappy]

It's really the directors/costume designers to blame. They are clearly using the corsets to make them look skinnier and squeezing them to death when they don't need to

[@zoinks2547]

People: *Wear corsets incorrectly* People: *Get hurt* People: This is an evil piece of clothing Although that being said I don't think it's the actresses fault because they don't really chose what to wear and how to wear it

[@mikanchan322]

Fair, but.. it is wrong of them to assume (and preach about on tv) that this is how it was worn in those times, too.

[@fawng8017]

@@mikanchan322 most people aren't going to go into a lot of research about that sort of thing unless they're really interested in it, though. If all they know is that they had to wear an uncomfortable corset and nobody told them that it was just fitted wrong or laced more tightly than women actually wore them, of course they would just think all corsets were uncomfortable. We're all here because we're interested in this, so we know better.

[@mikanchan322]

@@fawng8017 I suppose so. Though I would assume they did some research for the role and time period? Then again maybe there's no time or maybe this information is not as easy to find as I think.

[@fawng8017]

@@mikanchan322 I'm definitely not a professional actor or anything, but I figure they leave the research about the clothing itself up to the costume department?

[@bjrnegillarsen1380]

@@mikanchan322 They believe it because they assume the costume department actually know what they are doing and that they have the budget to do things right

[@Gugunet26]

These victorian ladies playing sports on these pictures look like they're having the time of their lives lol

[@simplykathrynrebeca]

Honestly. Like yes be a bad bitch

[@colonyofrats4193]

Some are literally climbing mountains LMAO

[@angryotter9129]

I’m not wearing a corset and have no desire to climb a mountain. Makes me question my life choices. Like maybe I’d have more fun if I wore a corset.

[@starthelotus3453]

Any woman that played sports then was a bad bitch

[@vladjuryrigging]

I mean that's how sports usually make you feel. Climbing, skiing, tennis, skating and so is awesome.

[@Skeksistential-crisis]

Actress: *wears poorly fitting corset without taking the time to break it in, with no chemise and too tightly laced, and ends up in pain* Actress: I can’t believe corsets would do this

[@Fluffy52600]

I've been looking at historical misconceptions lately. And this whole "Corsets are death-traps" thing is very very similar to the myths about a Knight's armor. And both are debunked with the same answer. "When it's made right for you, it helps you a lot more than it hurts you."

[@bialynia]

Actress: I almost died why would anyone wear something so painful just to look a certain way? The very same actress: *wears high heels that give me panic attack*

[@your_dad_on_vacation]

@Death Omen One wrongly placed speck of dust and your ankles, knee caps, and neck are broken

[@bipo819]

No one really talks about high heels those fuckers can cause a lot of damage and you can hardly do anything in them Not to mention the problems that arise from wearing like very high heels I mean just take that one episode of America’s next top model for example when the girls were practically breaking their ankles for the stupid show

[@bialynia]

@@bipo819 And often they are obligatory in formal settings. I remember reading how one British chic who won an oscar for costumes had to show medical papers to be allowed to enter the ceremony in flat shoes.

[@GeneralG1810]

Don't forget all the plastic surgery they get when they refuse to age gracefully

[@bialynia]

@ririmiese And corsets don't make your feet hurt. What kind of argument is that? The diffetence is high heels ALWAYS cause damage, corsets only when you wear them wrong. Those chics who laced their corsets so thight they couldn't breathe were the equivalent of girls who go to tanning salons couple times a week these days - small percentage of freaks who go overboard for their looks. There's nothing inherently wrong with the corset.

[@maj8979]

in 100 years when we have anti-gravity boob support technology they'll say "they made you get in a CAR in an UNDERWIRE BRA? 👀"

[@mariblue72]

tbf doing anything in an underwire bra sounds like torture to me, because: (a) I'm cheap, and (b) I don't know my bra size, which leads to (c) I don't spend my money on good quality stuff that actually fits, so (d) I spend my life in cheap bras with no wires.

[@corvuscorone7735]

Well, underwire bras ARE the devil. The hurt like hell. And yes, I have had fitted ones. Still hurt like hell. Only bras without wires, please!

[@maj8979]

​@@corvuscorone7735 you're not wrong. I haven't worn an underwire bra in years, but when I did I was lazy about replacing them so the wire would wear through the fabric and stab my sternum all day 💀 I'd choose a well-fitted corset over that, no question

[@deadrose23]

@@corvuscorone7735 If they actually made proper custom bras with a range of wire and cup shapes, it would be a lot more pleasant, but that's too much to ask of the industry, so we go on suffering. I have large breasts on a small ribcage, so my choices are either wires, bras that look like they came from a 1960's commercial (or a battleship design), or no support at all.

[@genericamerican327]

@@deadrose23 Or a well made corset! :D

[@colinwhitham6406]

I had a history teacher teacher talk about how bad corsets were for women, and I was just so disappointed🤦‍♂️

[@KasumiRINA]

My history teacher in school claimed ancient Egyptians couldn't grow beards so men _and women_ wore fake ones because they wanted to look like Europeans. Talk about both cosmic ignorance and northern superiority complex.

[@junjunjamore7735]

@@KasumiRINA Weren't Europeans looked down upon by Egyptians?

[@ellaisplotting]

@Maria Isabelle Villacorte you can train your ribs over years with a conical corset, but all effects disappear within six months of not lacing. A normal well fitted corset is completely fine to wear, if it's even uncomfortable then it's not doing it's job, they shouldn't hurt and they definitely shouldn't be damaging you. I'm sorry that your lingerie designer friend has had no experience with actual, properly researched and fitted corsets.

[@yunseaweed]

if y'all wanna talk about patriarchal oppression of women manifesting through the way girls were made to portray themselves, just look at China and the very outdated foot binding practice. Even then, it wasn't done unless you were rich and didn't need all your children to work on the farm with you, and EVEN THEN only a few mothers chose to do this to their daughters.

[@starthelotus3453]

@@KasumiRINA They literally shaved ALL of their hair... the fake beard that pharaohs wore was purely ceremonial.

[@mileslampert1622]

@0:10 , never turned down my volume so fast💀

[@coocooformycocoapuffs3235]

Sandt

[@osmanyousif7849]

“Sweetie, what are you doing in the bathroom?!”

[@oywiththepoodlesalready]

I’m sending this to my history teacher

[@mustafacom6378]

so you have chosen.. F

[@Licentiapoetica]

Tell us what will be her/his answer!

[@oywiththepoodlesalready]

@@Licentiapoetica sure will!

[@priya8855]

@@oywiththepoodlesalready so,what did they say?

[@someone-wk2wj]

Did you do it yet?

[@ArtemisScribe]

Emma Stone: "My organs moved. I couldn't sit. I nearly died" Olivia Coleman: "This film had the most liberating wardrobe I've ever had" Rachel Weisz: *rode horses in stays*

[@IAmTheStig32]

The Virgin Emma Stone versus the CHAD Rachel Weisz

[@Brynwyn123]

@@IAmTheStig32 sounds like a lesbian film Rachel would star in...

[@ocdplaylistmaker7032]

Weisz? I don't hear that last name often

[@williamwarzucc3853]

007 knows how to pick 'em.

[@hanananah]

1:16 brings me so much joy and I can't handle the women crossing an ice crevasse on a ladder in those skirts like holy shit these women were the things made of steel not their corset bones lol.

[@definetlynotkitty]

" i couldnt sit " " i couldnt breath " me : **flashbacks on lady marmalade perfomance when mya and christina are literally dancing AND singing in corsets**

[@capivarapassando1159]

exactly what i think

[@alberthorn180]

Well. A music world tour is planed and executed slightly differently than a ~10 min movie scene.

[@Elemiriel]

"you LITERALLY cannot sit down" cut to me, sitting at my sewing machine in a corset, hoopskirt, and petticoats while making fitting adjustments on my bodice...

[@olivem.5249]

ok u sound like a queen wish i was that cool and fashionable

[@RegencyLady-ho2ik]

It's pretty funny that I was doing work as a living exhibit at my local museum, but had a surprise dinner planned with friends from university for a friend, so I had to go in my dress, (Regency and I make themself) and they were shocked that I was breathing normally. People are even more shocked in my Victorian one. I do historical dances and they honestly don't believe that I am authentic with the underwear as there is no way I could do that level of exercise with a corset. I have tried to tell them about it being like a pair of shoes. Has to be your size and wear it in and it's fine, but nope, they still believe the Hollywood perspective

[@RegencyLady-ho2ik]

@@olivem.5249 i sew my own 19th century dresses too, I don't care that it isn't cool or fashionable it the eyes of the mainstream. I like it so I make them and wear them. My parents brought me up with the attitude of it doesn't matter if what I like isn't fashionable as long as I like it.

[@Reejuya]

You would think that they should be able to make corsets that actually fir the actresses...

[@ladylynx9891]

I wonder what you were drinking in that fine teacup

[@NyanHomeschoolGirl17]

Those old photos of women doing normal and adventurous things are so cool. I now have a strong desire to go rock climbing in full Edwardian garb

[@RoseBaggins]

Same, just everything to be honest.

[@ForeverFashionGirl21]

people act like women didn't live their best lives back then... it was just a different best life.

[@AtlasNL]

Well, do what your usernames tells you! Do what you want! :)

[@JohnDoe-vw4zf]

Can I join you?

[@kotleon4158]

I want to join too!

[@renirving8133]

I'm an extra on a lot of historical dramas and they just pick a corset off the rack and hope it fits while tying it extremely tight, I'd really like to one day wear a well made fitted corset because I love them really!

[@highlanddancer8671]

If Covid wasn’t a thing I would totally try making one for you!

[@renirving8133]

@@highlanddancer8671 ah I'd love that! I've been looking at places that will custom make them but covid strikes again!

[@samuelmacdg]

I'm curious. Can men wear a corset and would that be weird? What would happen if you kinda have a big belly?

[@highlanddancer8671]

@@samuelmacdg fun fact! Men in Marie Antoinette’s time wore men’s corsets particularly if they had beer bellies to keep their slim figure! On that note, I don’t know where you would find men’s corset patterns as they would be a different shape from the hour glass women’s corset we are familiar with!

[@samuelmacdg]

@@highlanddancer8671 I think I need one. Hahahahhaa.

[@ohifonlyx33]

1. make sure it's well-made and well-fitting 2. wear a liner or chemise! 3. season it/break it in 4. give your body time to adjust to the feeling before doing strenuous things 4. don't tight-lace past the point of discomfort 5. if you are a slouch, expect to not slouch. then you can enjoy the support of a back brace, the comfort of a hug, and the silhouette of an elegant woman. :)

[@WithLoveKristina]

Why is it that any other ill-fitting garment people are just like "I need to get one that fits properly" but if it's corsets OMG THEY ARE EVIL

[@LifeUntilLove]

Because most women have never been exposed to a well-fitting, let alone comfortable corset. If you try on a shirt and it is too small, you know it is just that shirt because you have worn many shirts comfortably before. Corsets, alone with other clothing items that might be rare or specific, don't have that range. Therefore, it is easier to think "Maybe these are just always uncomfortable". I know I kind of feel the same way, to a lesser extent, about stilettos because I have only suffered pain trying to wear them. So based on my experience, I would think they are just an inherently uncomfortable item. Actresses are expressing the same idea.

[@TheWitch]

I bet in 500 years when we transcend physical form, women will say the same thing about our bras. All the comments those actresses had I have thought about with bras.

[@sam5.183]

"omg I wear a bra for a movie and it literaly stab me"

[@mikanchan322]

"you could see marks from it cutring into my skin!!"

[@gothichinata4332]

Depending on how long we'll wear bras! Idk exactly when they were invented, but I guess 100 years max! And our ancestors wore Stays and Corsets over several 100s of years. So I guess we'll be stuck wearing bras for a while unless WW 1.2 happens and we need all of the underwear fabrics for whatever reason, lol xD

[@fadelessdreamer]

As people have said regarding corsets: Then your bra is too tight. (It can be difficult if your weight changes constantly or the fitter did it incorrectly - had the latter happen myself).

[@jessicaHHHHHH]

They’ll wear one 3 sizes too small and pull the straps too tight (because everyone definitely wore bras this tightly back in the day; it was fashionable), complain about the marks on their skin and shoulder pain, wonder how women during our time wore them for hours a day, and call them oppressive, even though a lot of women wear bras because they make them feel more comfortable.

[@LucysCorsetry]

THIS IS EVERYTHING

[@user-mv9tt4st9k]

Agreed! I learned much from you about corsets... 😌

[@ellaisplotting]

It's like the whole of my subscription list is gathering to praise this, I love it

[@LucysCorsetry]

@Stephanie that’s so great to hear 💕 💕 I had sciatica myself in the past too and it’s an awful experience. I’m so glad that corsets helped with the pain!

[@Selichan42_SA]

LUCY IS HERE!!!

[@sammie3788]

Informative corset mom and meme corset mom are both here yay lol

[@properantagonist]

Hollywood actresses: omg, I can't breathe in a corset Opera singers: hold my high F

[@shamsaalmazrouei8271]

I think they were wearing the smallest corsets they can, like imagine that your size D bra but you are wearing a size B or A bra.

[@johnabbot8688]

In the 1800s it was trendy to wear your corset really tight but people were smart enough back then to know that it could damage your spine so they only did it like once a year if that. The people in the movies are following that fashion trend but for the entire production.

[@keepinmahprivacy9754]

Yeah or imagine wearing gym shoes 2 sizes too small and then lacing them extra tight on top of it.

[@jana731]

@@johnabbot8688 but those photos are probably rather from the early 19. century? I don't know much about corsets so I'm generally interested....

[@lilyrivera3112]

Im sure they also weren’t their size but thats not really what it was its the style of corset its just not at all the same. Women back then wore more like training corsets. Way more comfortable and reasonable to wear every day. Movies often shove actresses into these stiff strong boned corsets that aren’t meant to be pulled as tight and are mean to wear for only really a few hours. Movies love to push this idea if corsets tho and risk cracking their actresses ribs and causing them to faint from these ridiculous corsets they shove them into for extended periods of time pulled wayyy too tight.

[@ThePurple628]

Spoiler alert, if your corset hurts you or you can't talk or breathe, the costume department messed up in getting or making a proper corset.

[@sam5.183]

Women with corsets then : today I climb a mountain using my corset and it was easy. Actress with a corset : I literaly die i'm now a gost because the corset.

[@talkativeacademy4528]

The host in the very last celebrity scene: tHeY mAdE yOu GeT iN a CaR iN a CoRsEt?!?!? :O

[@mariamatedei]

Funny to think that without the corset many of the things they did would have been harder, with their breasts hanging it would have been SO uncomfortable, like running without a sports bra now.

[@sam5.183]

@@mariamatedei or playing tennis

[@basmalaalkhalaf1713]

i think my favourite thing about this video is that it doesn't perfect-ify women in history. the images you showed made them look and feel real and human, and i love when there are photos like that. my favourites were the ones with the fencing, boxing and just women doing sport. i adore when we portray the past in a realistic manner.

[@hundredandahalf1708]

I just want a actress to be like "I put on the corset and it was so uncomfortable. It was pinching me and I could hardly breathe. So I went to the costume department and told them it wasn't going to work. I can't wear this corset. I need a well fitting one"

[@Elle-ho3uu]

Not really an avid fan of emma watson but I do think it's better to refuse wearing the "hollywood" corsets than suffocating in one.

[@NoName-dx1no]

@@Elle-ho3uu I mean if they’ve changed the dress because of Emma’s wishes and some of the script as well it shouldn’t be a problem if Emma just asked the costume department if they can make a corset that actually fits her with an actual pretty dress they had in mind this whole time rather whatever they ended up with

[@fini5294]

Ok but is no one concerned that these actresses were basically abused on set and then were told "oh tight lacing is how all women used to wear corsets it's fine" ?

[@mineyoo1999]

they weren’t told the right way to wear corsets which was leading to the abuse

[@Catz1a]

@@justacrow9847 not concerned that hollywood is putting women at unknowing health risk that could be easily avoided?

[@heyitsnotmars]

@@justacrow9847 although the multitude of concern varies, especially with the sweatshops in India as you have stated, does not make any of those actresses’ experiences invalid. it’s not a competition to see who’s experienced the worst. everyones experiences are indeed valid.

[@heyitsnotmars]

@@justacrow9847 lmao, how nice of you to assume I’m a feminist, and even bolder of you to assume you know the definition. which advocates for the equality of both women AND men, if you didn’t know. but no, I choose not to identify as feminist since I prefer no label. & according to the video, they’re corsets, not just “tight cloth” as you say. they can be damaging for long periods of time and actresses do work long hours. but as the creator of this video has said, their experiences are valid and I believe so as well. as for children working long and hard in sweatshops, what are you doing to advocate for change? are you actively signing petitions? steering clear of websites like shein? buying things that aren’t made from sweatshops in China? I’d like to see it. & the “color” of a person has no effect on me. humans are humans, if you must know. I advocate for humane rights. I just wonder why you’re watching this video if you don’t give a shit about overpaid actresses.

[@aflooki]

@@justacrow9847 DAMN looks like the oppression olympics 2021 have already started

[@WouldntULikeToKnow.]

All I can figure is that the "corsets" they were wearing were not made correctly, were not made for them, and they already have existing preconceptions about how corsets were supposed to feel uncomfortable and restricting.

yes, and I think it really shows in the last interview. they’re talking about Vanity Fair, so she had to wear a regency-era corset which is a lightly boned pair of stays that isn’t even supposed to get your waist smaller as the dresses had a high waistline - literally the only uncomfortable thing about it is a wooden busk in from. but just the idea of being corseted stressed the actress so much she panicked

[@savagebitch1673]

This ”I am lady I hate corsets you can’t move”-thing is so dumb. I understand that they’re trying to make women nowdays feel better about ourselves, but it shoots hundreds of years of women’s history in the foot. By saying “you can’t move in a corset”, you’re also invalidating the women who worked so hard, wearing corsets every day.

[@mimries9612]

Also it's usually used to reinforce the protagonists quIrKiNesS because she's not like other girls because she's not going to be tortured by societal expectations of women, when in reality if a girl nowadays wouldn't wear a bra she should get some looks but overall no one would care that much

[@drawnwithlove3499]

@@mimries9612 bi- what kinda societal expectation they're literally just good for posture and comfort-

[@mimries9612]

@@drawnwithlove3499 Wait I'm confused. Did you think i was serious ?

[@capivarapassando1159]

"I can't move" while Christina Aguilera danced in corset

[@sumdum7568]

These corsets aren't like the ones before, these aren't for comfort

[@whitalleys5893]

“Corsets are so restricting!” Wears body-con bandage dress practically glued to their bodies, tight high-waisted jeans, 6” high heels... etc.

[@agustdz-w9b]

not even comparable

[@stefannydvorak7919]

@@agustdz-w9b Actually, yes, very comparable. I’d even go as far to say (as someone who’s worn modern dresses and who currently wears vintage fashion) that a tight dress combined with modern high-heels is way more restrictive than a corset.

[@melisacaceres8740]

@@stefannydvorak7919 Agree. I wore a corset for a week to help my posture. I wore it arround the house and it wasn't that bad. But don't get me started on pencil skirts, bodycon dresses and high waisted jeans. Devices from hell.

[@__-bt5ry]

@@agustdz-w9b true as corsets are used for medical conditions unlike this modern fashion trash that could hurt you, see: back pain, infections, etc

[@nikobitan7294]

@@melisacaceres8740 Wear a back brace if you need help with posture. You know, the thing that is actually made for that purpose, and is also less restrictive. Corsets are an aesthetic garment, not a medical one, no matter how much certain sellers and misguided traditional women try to tell you otherwise.

[@annaschneider225]

People have such a warped view of the past it's crazy.

[@habibishapur]

Its almost like theres certain groups controlling the narrative and telling people what to think. Curious isnt it? 🙄

[@giuliab8484]

The stereotypes are perpetuated by the media

[@kaisertreu6276]

@@habibishapur Almost like there's a specific ethno-religious group pushing an agenda in all modern media that teaches Europeans and people of European descend to look down upon their past and ancestors.

[@crassiewassie8354]

I can agree with that People are so dumb about history it's crazy people back then where still human and if a corset took the life out of you i'm sure both men and women would be against it going on such a long time cuz not all men in history where sexist bastards all historical clothes where built with a person in mind

[@flyinghighagain7712]

Brainwashing is a hell of a thing.

[@lauracapelete9336]

"And women existed in that for such a long time" well, exactly, miss Stone

[@ColegGwentvideos]

How to send this to my history teacher without sending this to my history teacher...

[@Vaith]

Imagine putting on shoes to small for you and then saying, "Shoes are awful!"

[@Forgefaerie]

its funny, when I was matron of honor to a friend, she let me chose the dress and I picked a corset top one. I made sure it fit well in a waist and hips and made adjustments myself to the top and length. it was one of the most comfortable things I've worn in a while. to the point where at one point I literally cut off the skirt (I got to keep the dress) for the sole purpose of keeping that corset - as a corset. one has to wonder just how badly fitted and far too tightly laced those Hollywood corsets are when I was comfortable as heck in a $100 bridesmaids dress...

[@theskadoosh1004]

0:10 Bro my phone was at max volume

[@lesliejuarez6116]

You would think these high production movies would provide their actresses with properly fitted corsets so they aren’t in pain.

[@alberthorn180]

Properly fitted? Maybe. But still WAY to tightly snared, since the usage/aim of this corsets in those movies is to creat an unrealistic image of women/beauty. It istn called the dream factory for nothing.

[@nicolasgalviza7948]

actresses: "and then the corset stabbed me in the back, stole my best friend, used its patriarchy powers to make my lungs all weird, and then proceeded to insult me". also actresses: *MET GALA, RED CARPET, OSCARS AND OTHER AWARD SHOWS WHERE THEIR DRESSES ARE OBVIOUSLY CORSETED*

[@ArtemisScribe]

THIS!!! AND THEY WEAR SPANX UNDER THOSE WHICH ARE SO MUCH FUCKING WORSE THAN A CORSET!

[@camille8926]

Corsets are super uncomfortable, regardless. It’s not a contest 😆 Go try one on, please. They are so not comfy

[@ArtemisScribe]

@@camille8926 I'm literally wearing one right now. It alleviates my back pain.

[@Luubelaar]

@@camille8926 - I'm with ArtemisScribe. I'm literally wearing one right now to alleviate my back pain. When I wear it, I also have a significant reduction in my anxiety levels. I fucking LOVE my corsets. I'm more comfortable wearing a corset than I am not wearing one.

[@Blebstinchen]

@@camille8926 Then you're not wearing it right.

[@gremlita]

I swear I watched half these movies some years ago and didn't bat an eyelash. But once you know the truth about corsets, you can never go back 👁

[@chrisdarcyxx8747]

Nobody: Period drama women putting a corset on: UuUgHh

[@mamamochi1016]

I literally clapped so hard at the end when you showed them what real women could do in them corsets back then.

[@soleil1953]

I was a theatre kid and one of the plays I was in took place in the 1800s. Our costume lady specifically told us our corsets were not supposed to be uncomfortable and my mind was blown how easy they were to wear. (and tbh I think they’re easier to wear than bras.) hoop skirts however? Another story. (Though they get easier with practice)

[@KasumiRINA]

If you compare those ridiculous historical gowns with engineering marvel levels of hoops and fills with costumes Madonna and Lady Gaga wore at their concerts, they're not that far off... I mean, they weren't everyday wear more like performance/socialite attire for balls.

[@NathanielTavington]

Hoop skirts are ridiculous but as a person with big tiddies I have to say I love corsets. They don't hurt my shoulders the way bras do.

[@Cationna]

Truuue, but apparently 5 reinforced petticoats are even more problematic.

[@thealucas7247]

It reminds me of the misconception of medieval people being covered in dirt and poop when they were humans too?? Like it’s not hard to keep your face free of poop and dirt since we are biologically programmed to not find that appealing. (They even brushed their teeth with twigs because cleanliness is universally appealing) Not being able to breath is also not appealing so people just didn’t restrict their breathing. If anything there is more of a case for high heels and their danger and discomfort and we still do that today but even then no one in society requires women to wear heels so it’s not really an issue.

[@KasumiRINA]

"no one in society requires women to wear heels so it’s not really an issue." there are literally campaigns and signatures trying to stop mandatory high heels in some uniforms, it _is_ still an issue, unfortunately. Then again, "they what, made your husband fight on a horse in a cavalry regiment on heels?" heels were originally comfort wear for horse riding, but like corsets, were fetishisized into extreme versions too. Which is fine, until literal fetish stilettos and BDSM corsets become mandatory work gear.

[@thealucas7247]

@@KasumiRINA The good news is that at least in the west mandatory heel requirements are extremely rare and always challenged.

[@kherise]

@@KasumiRINA people nowadays worrying about high heels while the planet is dying😰

[@breannap8585]

@@kherise Can't save the world if you can't walk to the protest

[@kherise]

@@breannap8585 🤣nice one ;)

[@cryptid4389]

Actresses who had to wear a corset: YOU CANT BREATHE OR MOVE OR DO ANYTHING ITS TERRIBLE!!!!!! Women who actually worked corsets every day: lmao

[@blehblu]

It could be like a psychological thing. For example, when I wear chokers, I feel like it's actually choking me and I can't breathe but my sisters wear it like nothing. I hear choker so my mind thinks, "Hey. You're choking" so it's probably the same with the corsets

[@Hakabas01]

Me: peacefully watches youtube My parents hearing me watch this video: 👁 👄 👁

[@kelsromatk3155]

Same 🤣

[@chandlerbing3636]

😂😆🤣

[@bbbhova3269]

Yes I got so scared when they were basically moaning out loud lol

[@kelseycoca]

SERIOUSLY, had to mute for a minute

[@sheepinwolvesclothing1135]

Wth, how old are you?

[@smsmsmsmsmsm]

Modern day people: *Poor women must’ve been unable to do anything for hundreds of years!* Every woman before 1960: *Um chile- you just gonna ignore me?*

[@Areekurou]

@jackie corsets or corset-like under garments still existed up until mid-century. Many woman still wore more lightweight versions or girdles to hold everything in.

[@HD-fd7tn]

The woman kicking their legs up on the cliff were a whole mood

[@B_lusch]

“Women existed in that for so long” yeah and they also wore it correctly