Cloud the Reliable Narrator & What Does 7 Seconds Till The End Mean? FF7R Part 3 Things We Could See

[@mellemadswoestenburg1296]

I do believe Sephiroth at the edge of creation is a different version of him that genuinely wants to do something good with Cloud. In Lifestream: Black it's mentioned that when Sephiroth entered the Lifestream he abandoned his memories of his boyhood, of his friends and everything to fully commit himself to this new purpose he has. EOC Sephiroth might be a manifestation of those memories. Especially since Sleepezi pointed out that in Japanese he describes himself in a pre insanity way unlike Sephiroth throughout the rest of the game. He also seems to genuinely want Cloud's help, not just to own him. The famous 7 seconds line is also mistranslated. In Japanese the line is "7 seconds till the end. But we can still make it in time. The future is in your hands, Cloud". Way different.

[@slanderpop8771]

You say that line is mistranslated but I just don’t believe that. Kitase and Co know exactly what the English version means. They pour over all that heavily. They aren’t putting mistranslations into the game. Everything that’s in the game is meant to be. They’re just might not be 1:1 translations between that line with Japanese and English.

[@mellemadswoestenburg1296]

@slanderpop8771 Mistranslations happen all the time in gaming. As a Kingdom Hearts fan i can say that with certainty. That line in Japanese is exactly what I said right there. You can look it up if you want to. It has happened before too. In Remake's resolution scene with Aerith after she tells Cloud not to fall in love with her he says "do I get a say in all this?" Lamenting the fact that Aerith is putting a boundary on their relationship. In Japanese he says "that's a very one-sided statement". Which is not even close to the same but it is more accurate for Cloud. At this point in the story Cloud wouldn't think about a romance with her. In Rebirth when Cloud wakes up in chapter 14 Barret tells Cloud that he thought he was done for. In English Cloud says "sorry to disappoint" as if Barret would want him to die. In Japanese he says "thank you for carrying me". Again not even close to the same. And it flows better with what Barret says afterwards, "you can thank me for the ride later". Translation teams take liberties a lot of the time. It just happens. So when there's a misunderstanding because of it I do point it out. As I said, you can fact check me if you want.

[@SeferAngeloEspiritus]

It is confirmed in remake ultimania that eoc sephiroth is a different sephiroth, the thing is his origin is different from what we all know about sephiroth

[@mellemadswoestenburg1296]

@@SeferAngeloEspiritus Damn! Straight up confirmation!! Thanks for that, I haven't read the ultimania yet. Now I'm definitely looking forward to finding out who he is and where he came from.

[@federicamacchia1656]

We Will have some surprises about Sephiroth....It' s time to stop chasing butterflies and start to point the finger on the true enemies,if we want to change the finale and avoid out extintion

[@bamshiggity]

We know from Advent Children that Zack and Aerith are together in the life stream. Seems like a safe prediction that we will have some type of adventure with a party of the two of them. Possibly in whatever alternate world that Zack was flung to at the end of Rebirth.

[@FutureDeep]

Advent Children is not safely within the continuity of the Remake trilogy timeline, no matter what the Devs might happen to say right now.

[@TheDGBgamers]

@@FutureDeep Nothing that's been shown so far contradicts AC.

[@tonymaccaroni1683]

Only that Zack will eventually become one with the lifestream while Aerith as a Cetra chooses not to as long as Sephiroth is still around. (Lifestream White) According to Nomura her consciousness is interlinked with Cloud's and she lives within him. It's a whole nother question tho what will happen if Sephiroth should be permanently defeated by the end of part 3.

[@jesse1381]

It's anything but safe at this point. I would be surprised if Zack and Aerith even interact in the next game. I'm thinking something along the lines of Zack being in the main world while Aerith and Cloud are going to be the ones to lifestream it up. When Cloud loses his mind or turns into a vegetable he'll wake up in the dream world with Aerith again.

[@KittyKat_8973]

I see a lot of people talking about who Aerith is at the end, but not many people talk about how eerie and out of character Cloud's smile is by the lake. He has never smiled like that at anyone (post-neibelheim incident) during any of the games or spinoffs, and it's unnerving... There are so many moments that are more funny, light-hearted, romantic, etc. and he never smiles like that. I think the idea of Sephiroth trying to shatter the party's trust in Cloud is a solid theory. Omni-Sephiroth knows events of the OG and probably Advent Children. At the end of AC, he specifically asks Cloud what he cherishes most, and Cloud gives him an honest answer followed by Sephiroth not seeming too bummed about being defeated again. Perhaps he is taking that knowledge to rob Cloud of his support system this time around because Cloud told him that he cherishes them all. If no one trusts or believes him, no one goes to help him when he falls apart and lands in Mideel. It would make sense with Cait Sith's fortune.

[@earlyriser03]

Tifa saw Aerith bloodied and unbloodied. That alone tells the audience that what Cloud is experiencing is reliable in some instances, because if Tifa can see it, even briefly, that implies it’s not solely a figment of Cloud’s breaking psyche. Nor is it solely a result of Jenova/Sephiroth shenanigans. I firmly believe Cloud is speaking to Lifestream Aerith and she is doing her part to ensure Cloud plays his role in these newish events.

[@Jean-Poule_II]

Story wise and based on the OG, I feel like Rebirth was kinda "supposed" to be Aerith's part of the game, but they actually never made it that way and I think it's for a good reason. I think the fact that Aerith still hasn't gotten her ultimate Limit Break with Zack actually having his own fully fledged, very complete and complex and detailed fighting style just like all the other party members with full materia set up they brought on only by the very end of the game seems to point out that part of the story will be about following them together. Maybe it's just coping at this point as Aerith is my fav character, but with how they have seem very careful to treat her equally to Tifa in a segment of the story where OG was more heavily biased towards her and how they have made this project as a celebration of the initial release as well as the broader Compilation would point me in the direction of them giving both Zack and Aerith a more prominent role in the next game, just at least to stay true to that vision. I feel like not doing that would be a bit of a let down to both characters in a way the Remake trilogy hasn't been too keen towards so far, but I would also kinda struggle to see how they would be able to fit all of that in what is already expected to be a massive game, so I'm not holding my hopes up too high. Though she might not be the most popular, Aerith kinda is, after all, one of the most iconic characters from OG with Cloud and Sephiroth; and on his part Zack litteraly had his own spin off title. Also with them saying they were working on special traversal/exploration mechanics for Tifa or something like that I don't remember the exact quote, while Cloud is in recovery without giving Aerith a similar treatment would seem a bit wierd given how equally they have treated both girls so far. In my opinion, Zack was severely underutilized in Rebirth and I would struggle to understand why they would pour so much efforts into bringing him back if they weren't to do anything more substantial with him. Just my two cents tho, hope this is not just some wishful thinking copium at this point either haha! Regarding who is Aerith at the end, Aleczandxr has made a pretty interesting point in his 8h Rebirth review/analysis regarding the idea that it is Omni-Aerith that is in fact presenting to Cloud to prevent his mind from collapsing, though I am not well versed enough into his argument or the story of the game to comment on it other than to say that I found his interpretation extremely interesting and compelling and it made me largely abandon the idea that she is a Jenova projection. Just thought I'd drop that here for those interested.

[@brileonn]

I absolutely think you're right! We surely haven't seen the last of Aerith or Zack, or either of their interactions with Cloud. At first I thought it might be coping because Aerith is my favourite too, but they've set things up with the multiple worlds too carefully for it all to just be ignored. I think they may also play a role in "fixing" Cloud because after all, Marlene did entrust this task to Zack so that Cloud could save Aerith. I really hope they follow through because if not then it'll be a big letdown if the different worlds, omni Aerith and her whispers and Zack's return all amount to nothing in the end.

[@Jean-Poule_II]

@@brileonn Yes! And also the fact that Zack told Cloud "You have to save her!" or something like that as they are being separated again during their fight together against Sephiroth *after he had already stabbed Aerith* is very suspicious to me. Like why would he say that when she's already dead? I feel like it's pointing to something. Maybe it's about Cloud feeling more guilt as he will realize he has also failed Zack once he stops being delulu, but that seems unduly harsh towards his character, especially coming from Zack. Like how much can my boy take at this point haha? Seems a bit like excessive, kinda over the top and very random misery to just drop there in the middle of an insane multi phase final boss fight, though that is also not something FFVII is completely stranger to either... Perhaps it's about Cloud and Zack trying to find a way to save her this time around working around different places inside and outside of the Lifestream?

[@brileonn]

@@Jean-Poule_II yes, that line from Zack keeps me going!!! Everyone else also said go to her, she needs you, etc. which I feel also needs payoff but to have someone still ask Cloud to save her, after we've just seen her die? There's no way it's as simple as she's dead and gone. Not to mention how Sephiroth said he underestimated Aerith when she appeared for the final fight. Oh yes you did!!!! I think you're right, maybe the worlds are part of the lifestream or will be soon, so they'll be working from different worlds to communicate with Cloud! What's super neat is that Cloud was already able to see from his comatose self's POV at one point, I think at the gold saucer when he was napping at the hotel if I'm remembering right? And now with him seeing the rift in the sky, he's probably more connected to it than ever.

[@jesse1381]

Cissnei actually clearly knows what happened to Zack. As a Turk she would have known what really happened and she says so in the game that she's waiting for someone who isn't with us anymore.

[@OzZforrest]

IF they want to keep the OG ending, I hope the 7 seconds to the end is Cloud's choice between Omnislashing Sephiroth OR rescuing Aerith and Zack from another world. And maybe we as players can actually decide. If you choose Omnislash - the path of vengeance - you get Advent Children afterward. But if you choose to save A and Z - forgive Sephiroth and swallow your revenge desires - you get a new ending that we all don't know yet. PS: I get why many are thinking, Aerith should stay dead, because that's just how it went down, fate, the circle of life and death etc. But she was murdered, it was unnatural. Murder should never be your fate and we should always try everything to prevent such things. She wanted to live. So if there is a way, in a fantasy world, to prevent that from happening, why not let her live?

[@Hushoo]

To leap off of eddy's comment with respects to Minerva: the owl is but one of Minerva's facets with some others being wisdom, war, art, school, justice and commerce. We might not know it but every time we see an enemy attack, that could be interpreted as the planet giving the party information in the ways of war... that any time we're being led to resources like in Rebirth, that that is Minerva's doing. I don't foresee this niche topic being expounded upon but it's fun to think about.

[@Kris-TheChupacabraSlayer]

I just hope fusion sword is usable. I also think Jenova will become the final boss against Cloud and co

[@eddy5097]

First time someone made a video and mentioned me...and twice! So I just want to say ty Curious cause it made my new years!

[@SOCNV]

As long as we get Cloud and Aerith together in part 3 I'll be happy, look thematically, narrative-wise, and story wise this is what its been led up too. So still hoping for it

[@prithviraj.r5734]

Aerith died, how on earth will they manage a ressurection in this game, would be crazy to undo the emotional quotient they added over the years. Won't happen

[@DevilHunter1994]

I disagree. Narratively, Cloud's feelings are torn between two women, Aerith and Tifa. This has always been the case. I'd also argue that Aerith and Cloud's relationship specifically has always been written as a tragedy, a connection that could have possibly grown into something greater, but then Sephiroth got in the way, and prevented anything from happening. Theirs is a love that can never be, at least not in life.

[@jesse1381]

​@@DevilHunter1994 I'm not invested in the shipping wars but I'm looking forward to part 3 proving the purists wrong when Aerith comes back.

[@SickSoundingStuff]

There is literally no evidence to suggest the Aerith at the end is Jenova and plenty of evidence to suggest it's Omni-Aerith. People want this so badly to be the case but watch the scene again. What gives you guys that idea?

[@robbiepellagreen]

Agreed. There’s so many insane theories STILL flying about that are automatically discredited no matter how well thought out they may come across as well, seeing as the dev team have already confirmed multiple times the remake is still leading into Advent Children.

[@ubergamer2010]

It makes the most sense that it's Omni-Aerith, and Cloud is the only one that can see her because he exists in both the new world where he saved her physical form, along with the "original" world where she died. The rest of the party was transported out of the new world during the Jenova fight. Cloud is confused because he's seeing both worlds. Nothing he's seeing is wrong or false, he is just experiencing too many things at once which will end up breaking him. The rest of the party clearly saw Aerith die, while he saw her alive. No one is gonna believe him and they'll continue to think he's crazy. Unfortunately for him, he's not lying, but experiencing two parallel realities which will make him look disconnected. I just don't think Jenova played a part in the ending of Rebirth, people have simply misunderstood what actually happened to Aerith and the creation of the new world. Cloud clearly saw the split in the sky while no one else did, which means he is mentally not in the same world as everyone else even if he is physically experiencing both worlds. This split in his psyche is gonna make it even easier for Sephiroth to torment him in Part 3.

[@SickSoundingStuff]

@@ubergamer2010 Very well said.

[@DevilHunter1994]

I actually do really like the idea of Aerith and Zack fighting alongside Cloud in his mind. The one catch though is that I do think at some point, Aerith and Zack have to be taken out of the equation, so that Cloud can finish Sephiroth 1v1. Maybe at some point during the fight, Aerith could sense that Holy isn't going to make it in time to Stop Meteor, and she has to focus on preparing the lifestream to provide support. Zack would then offer to stick around, and help Cloud finish Sephiroth, but Cloud turns him down, telling him to focus on protecting Aerith instead.

[@PeachBootyPoppin]

Agreed. I think Cloud’s final fight will be 1v1 vs Sephiroth in his mind, where as Zack will be protecting Aerith against some final form of Jenova during her prayer.

[@jesse1381]

I dislike this theory to be honest. It's all in Cloud's head is probably the worst way this can end. Imagine AC Cloud waking up and the entire Remake series was just a crazy dream.

[@DevilHunter1994]

​@@jesse1381 Oh I'm not suggesting that the whole series be a dream. This final battle of the minds would only happen after Sephiroth's physical body had been destroyed, like what happened in the OG. Sephiroth's will would refuse to die and join the lifestream, so Cloud, Zack, and Aerith would have to defeat Sephiroth's lingering will.

[@ectogamut]

Even if Cloud is an unreliable narrator, Marlene and Zack aren’t

[@joshz2491]

The seven seconds til the end has actually been answered by the remake chapter 18 blurb “in the world beyond Sepherioth shows Cloud a vision of the planet 7 seconds before the end of the planets life “

[@Aaa-t5x]

Correct, although I think this will be revisited at a pivotal moment in Part 3, where Cloud has to make that choice for real.

[@LelanWellz]

12:54 omg!!! I just realized I made it twice!!! Thank you CC you’re the best! And it’s Lee-Lin you pronounced it correctly the first time! 😇💛💛💛 lol I’m watching and out of nowhere I was like omg! That’s me 😂

[@Silverfish-qv8ig]

Thinking about the romance options, I wonder if Cissnei will end up as a romance for Zack in some scenarios... Say if players have the opportunity to go the Clerith route? That would be nice as she seems a great character and really likes him.

[@Septilliontha3rd]

I doubt it mate, FF7 is not a persona game or self insert style game

[@Silverfish-qv8ig]

And yet you can have a full on Hollywood kiss with Tifa, should you pick it? Not too far a stretch, is it? I mean those are completely different scenes based on player choice, why not do the same at the end?

[@Septilliontha3rd]

@Silverfish-qv8ig mate that is a what if scenario plus it's not important in terms of the overall story trust me we won't have enough time in the game to explore a Zack and Cissnei option in a romantic sense

[@Silverfish-qv8ig]

@@Septilliontha3rd Yea, I guess you're right. I'm actually worried they won't have enough time to cover everything that's left, let alone add new. As long as they don't go overboard on the Zerith stuff. That gets on my everloving t*ts

[@jesse1381]

​@@Silverfish-qv8ig No one really knows for sure but I think there's at least a legitimate shot. I won't be losing sleep over it either way but I would be very happy to see Zack and Cissnei as major characters in part 3.

[@swed5726]

It should be mentioned that every limit break in the original is in the remake series. Aerith didn't have great gospel, this could mean something for part 3 or maybe not

[@lajazziamacklin8418]

I believe that when Unknown Sephiroth told us ALL THE WAY BACK IN REMAKE in 2020: 'Seven seconds 'til the end. Time enough for you...perhaps. But what will you do with it...let's see...' he did NOT mean that Cloud had seven seconds until his Rebirth counterpart {Jenovaroth or a Clone} killed Aerith. I think what he was REALLY talking about was the destruction of the Planet itself. And when he said this line in Remake: 'Those are all bound to her. Should this world be unmade, so too, shall her children', I think he was referencing here about the Planet itself, NOT Jenova! That's just what I believe that Unknown Sephiroth was trying to tell us. He clearly KNOWS something that we don't. PS: I've had this feeling ever since Remake, too! What is Unknown Sephiroth trying to do?

[@Phemruto]

pretty sure it was Shiva who sealed away jenova hence why she was encased in ice. The Life Stream whispers = white The Negative Live Stream whispers = black with purple eye The whispers in FF7 Remake are of destiny's fate - Rebirth they are controlled by sephiroth. By destroying fate, the party allowed Sephiroth to control them. Aeriths attempts to guide the life stream whispers to counter balance it.

[@jesse1381]

Actually the planet's Whispers are or were gray. The defeat of the Whisper Harbinger in Remake meant that the planet lost control over them. They're white because Aerith hijacked her own Whispers in a similar manner as Sephiroth hijacked his and they turned black. Aerith actually isn't the planet. As far as the planet is concerned Aerith is the lesser nuisance of two invaders who aren't operating by the book. But we can expect the planet to still perhaps release the Weapons and probably still operate to some extent independently of the Aerith vs Sephiroth war.

[@Phemruto]

@jesse1381 yes the grey stream the original story has been destroyed, once the great sky meatball is summoned the planet releases the weapons to harvest life on the planet to feed the life stream to defend against meatyball I think from then we will see big changes as the positive life stream from aerith and the negative life stream from jenova fight, all the while sephiroth waits for the time he can harvest all life from the life stream into him and become a God a universe onto him self where all life will exist under his will. Also giant robot vs weapon fites

[@murderface7744]

I hope we see Sephiroth realize that he's been used / controlled / manipulated by Jenova and what he does with that information in part 3. Part of me wonders if the "seven seconds until the end" Sephiroth is "real Sephiroth" outside of Jenova's influence.

[@Septilliontha3rd]

It's actually the other way round Sephiroth is using Jenova

[@murderface7744]

@@Septilliontha3rd I mean yes he is, but I don't think its as clear as "Sephiroth is the boss." I think he has been manipulated at least as much as he has used Jenova, however it is open to interpretation so who knows.

[@Septilliontha3rd]

@@murderface7744 if I remember correctly the only time Jenova manipulated Sephiroth was during the Nibelheim flashback, once Sephiroth entered the lifestream and gained knowledge then he was in control

[@murderface7744]

@@Septilliontha3rd So post Nibelheim I agree it appears Sephiroth is largely in control, however I think his descent into villainy was not just because he found out Jenova is his "mother" and he snapped but because she affected his mind. I should've worded it like this "will he work out that Jenova messed with his mind, causing him, in part, to go down this path? What will he do if he does find out? Will he even care?" The other thing I wonder is how much of what he is doing is what Jenova wants him to do, even if it appears to us the player and even to Sephiroth himself that he is in control. Where does post Nibelheim Sephiroth end and Jenova begin? Are they meaningfully distinct? Did he subsume Jenova completely or did he just think he did? If not, and a part of him realizes that, what happens? What my post was about is wondering if the dev's will expand on Sephiroth and Jenova's situation as she's a master manipulator. To me it seems possible there's more to it than just "Sephiroth's will overpowered Jenova, he's the captain now." All that being said, to be fair you are correct based on information available in FF7 og to the best of my recollection, my interpretation may just be wrong and it really is how it looks at first glance. Looking forward to part 3 so I can find out!

[@OzZforrest]

@@murderface7744 you should watch some playthroughs of The First Soldier, it tells the story of Seph‘s youth and kind of confirms what you are saying. He was manipulated by Jenova from a young age. I too believe he is in control later on and that it is his will, but for reasons Jenova put in his head

[@ubergamer2010]

Another comment said it here, but I wonder if Part 3 will have Aerith guiding Zack and them fighting together. Zack is currently fighting his original fate, while Aerith is now dealing with a new path due to Cloud creating a new world where she survived Sephiroth's attack. There is a part of the final fight where the party is brought to a completely different place than Cloud, and I think this is the original world where Aerith died. This means there may be another world where Cloud and Aerith exist without the rest of the party. Aerith in this new world, if she retains physical form, will be tracked down by Sephiroth once again. However, I have a feeling she is gonna look for Zack if she knows he's alive in some capacity. Zack and Aerith may end up having their own version of Sephiroth to take down. They may succeed or fail, but this will play a pivotal role in the bigger story and figuring out Sephiroth's main motivation.

[@elfsong713]

Going off your thought about both Cloud and Sephiroth not being able to accept death, and Sephiroth wanting to live in a world without death... maybe part of the reason why Sephiroth kills Aerith is that he wants Cloud to experience loss the way he did, and not be able to accept it, and therefore want to work with him to reshape the world were no one has to suffer that kind of loss. I think Sephiroth would lean more towards a world where everyone dies rather than no one, but then they would all be in the lifestream together, maybe existing in one of these worlds.

[@forsetigodofjusticeexcelle7506]

Wow, I had no idea Otacon made a youtube channel after the MGS series ended.

[@LowestForm0fwit]

I still maintain that Aerith at the end of Rebirth is JENOVA or JENOVA influence. SO many times throughout FF7 (OG and Re) we get told about JENOVA's shapeshifting and mimicry abilities, specifically to appear as and speak in the voice of dead loved ones, but rarely see those powers in action. This was the undoing of the Cetra, and so too is Cloud being undone here.

[@quezcatol]

mmm but I think they are more telling us that in a way of basically saying: it is tricking Sephiroth that "it" IS his mother. there is a lot of wild theories out there, like shinra suddenly became masters in handling Mako from weapon manufacturing and that the shinra president is obsessed about the promised land- the land/crater where Jenova crash landed and where most Mako is WHILE Jenova is locked in the Shinra HQ. tons of manipulations that could be "revealed" in the end. I have a feeling that president shinra might actually been influenced as well.

[@Silverfish-qv8ig]

Jenova did that only when it was fully formed. Its influence now is more at a cellular level - I don't think it can manifest like that, or it certainly never did in the OG.

[@petergbrooks]

it's clearly jenova.

[@jesse1381]

Honestly what does it matter or what would it change going forward? People are extremely hung up on a detail that really isn't going to change the flow of the story if it's clarified or not. We know Jenova is going to impersonate Tifa at the Northern Crater and that'll be the confirmation.

[@fernandozavaletabustos205]

Another great video.

[@somethang9264]

1:35 Im sensing some heavy inspiration from MGQ paradox

[@Hushoo]

With the Gi and Jenova not being part of the planet and being unable to return to it, could the edge of creation be the husk of the planet after the lifestream inevitably leaves it through omega weapon, as shown in dirge of cerberus? Both Sephiroth and Cloud have jenova cells in them and this might be reason enough for the planet to not incorporate them into its stream..

[@FutureDeep]

I turn my brain off when it comes to the logic of the story in the Remake trilogy. I simply don't trust that the writers know what they're doing. That said, would the translation to English cause some added confusion? Like that one person says that Cloud sees the rift so he's reliable, but Cloud literally calls it an illusion. So he's seeing something he believes isn't real. The guy is hallucinating.

[@SamuelSabharwal]

These days I’m the same just looking forward to the gameplay in part 3.

[@RangerMcFriendly]

I think Cloud will have 7 seconds to make the most important decision of the Planet’s life.

[@Inverted10H]

Idk, i agree that we the players are part of the narrative and the "manipulation" that Jenova/Sephiroth are performing but i think the manipulation is that a large group of players are refusing to face reality (like Cloud) and believing that Aerith is alive. They got ppl in delulu land with Cloud, the crack in the sky appears in his lifestream memories in the OG too so it may represent a crack in his spiritual psyche more than anything. Players and Cloud are in sync right now, both unreliable in their perceptions of reality. Cloud and the player are gonna have to learn to cope and come to terms with the reality of a shishqebaped Aerith.

[@syahmioziar5290]

I don't know if you learn of this yet but the the total stars for the dog in the timeline where zack survive has been revealed. It is 7 stars. With this we know 3 stars -7stars. What do you think is the timeline for the 1st & 2nd stars timeline. Mine is 2 stars - Cloud block Sephi blade and save aerith 1 stars - Zack in church in the finale or intergrade zack 0 stars - ff7 og.

[@someoneelse9680]

8:19 what you’re saying wouldn’t make sense. There’s either the real aeeith talking to cloud at end or it’s an illusion it being both at convenient times makes zero sense

[@Aaa-t5x]

KOTR. Where do 12 Knights fit into the lore? I think KOTR will get a nod, perhaps a reference or a one-time appearance.... It could then be replaced by what will be Cloud's Soldiers of the Round materia, that comes about from Cloud's memories filling up Aerith's now empty materia that Cloud is in possession of :))))

[@LelanWellz]

20:48 I made it guys! Thank you CC

[@Silverfish-qv8ig]

7 seconds will be the player choice element. Kitase has already flagged that due to Nomura et Al, there will not be a totally happy ending. I think on those seven seconds, Cloud (the player) will pick between ending the cycle and losing Aerith and Zack but ending Sep once and for all, or continuing with the cycle and seeing Aerith again. I like this as it would mimic the player's own choice - of drawing a line under FF7 and walking away, or continuing to play through the plot in perpetuity.

[@zacatkinson3926]

Yes Zack will meet up with the party and all 10 of them will have the showdown with Sephiroth

[@snake098765]

7 seconds to the end means kingdom sharts horseshit. Cryptic nonsense. Also who the hell is Minerva? I don't remember her from the og.

[@rezamosleh4561]

I think It is better for us that they release it as late as possible. There's so much about characters - gameplay - lore - etc. You've already talked about trio synergy skills or even a synergy with all characters in the party- explorable lands that you can only access them with highwind like top of the mountains or even some sky island like Zelda TOTK. they can even add sky diving with parachute like zelda TOTK. Highwind combat gameplay - submarine and some under the ocean gameplay like the depth in zelda TOTK- zack stuff, etc They can even add Sephiroth flashback- genesis and angeal stuff... Dude there's so much to do with part 3 that I've no problem if we have to wait until even 2029. *Sorry for my bad English*

[@RangerMcFriendly]

I know that this sounds crazy but what if Omni-Sephiroth helps you defeat this version of Sephiroth at the final battle? I would love for one version of Sephiroth to be redeemed and help. As if he realizes all the bad he has done and then Celine’s the hero he always needed to be.

[@JoasXCloud]

Imagine the uproar if the devs decided that "the 7 seconds until the end" was simply about Cloud pulling out or not in the scene with Tifa and him below the Highwind. Yeah, that scene. They said that the kiss scene between Tifa and Cloud in Rebirth was to show their relationship development so what's next for FF7R pt. 3...? 👀

[@Hek0990v2]

This take on cloud being the only reliable narrator isn’t a super interesting take. It’s the dumbest take in the world 🤦‍♂️

[@f.prince6642]

Back when the 25th anniversary of Kingdom hearts was going down they had a picture of cloud in the remake Midgard standing looking at the heart moon. Ever since I saw it, I couldn’t shake, thinking sora might show up to help cloud remember who he is. OG fans all cringe, but i could see them mixing IP’s especially if we get square worlds in KH4

[@ubergamer2010]

Never heard a worse idea

[@Seph]

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