Curious Marc's AGC Repair Shop - Solid Work, Reasonable Rates, All Work Guaranteed. The only AGC repair shop in the Solar System 💫 😀
@Eo_Tunun5 жыл бұрын
Let's bet the Roswell with happened with time traveling Aliens who wanted to stop by for a quick fix at CM Repair Shop. ^^)
@JohnDavidDunlap5 жыл бұрын
* Best AGC repair shop in the Solar System
@zachz965 жыл бұрын
What are the chances Louis Rossmann could repair an AGC?
@oswaldjh5 жыл бұрын
@@zachz96 Louis Rossmann Would likely jump at the chance to participate in this venture. It would certainly give him a view into how things are properly engineered and built to last decades. Unlike the status symbols he normally works on.
@PWingert19665 жыл бұрын
I hear there is a some ship named the millenium something or other (Some kind of large flying native predator) due in for computer repair. All its circuits are potted. It apparently got damaged during a race to deliver cargo.....
@agenericaccount39355 жыл бұрын
Thanks for leaving Mike's explanation unabridged. That was honey sweet. Overall this is better than reality TV. Cause its capital R real.
@g00st625 жыл бұрын
this is 500% better than reality tv. Reality tv is the lowest form of entertainment you can find and its almost an insult to compare these videos to that shit...
@Elios00004 жыл бұрын
@@g00st62 i could watch these guys repair old hardware like this for DAYS
@anonymousarmadillo65893 жыл бұрын
@@Elios0000 Not just old hardware. Louis Rossmann
@francisernens17955 жыл бұрын
So what you're saying is that it has a terrible pain in all the diodes down its left side. The Sirius Cybernetics Corporation would be so proud. Amazing to watch this restoration in near real-time. Well done and thank you!
@Oldbmwr100rs5 жыл бұрын
Those B11 modules were always so troublesome!
@tomgeorge37265 жыл бұрын
Hi, you guys need your own t-shirts... I'd buy one. "APOLLO AGC REPAIR SERVICE" Awesome video series Marc...
@dogmannz5 жыл бұрын
I think quite a few of us would like Mike to not have one at all actually.
@johnfrancisdoe15635 жыл бұрын
Tom George Apollo GC repair.
@craigs52125 жыл бұрын
Nice work guys, brings back memories of working on Minuteman II electronics back in the 60's Had a similar diode problem back in the early 70's with some GE diodes used for a large sampling scanner. Had to change thousands of diodes. Some how the mfg process left some carbon particles inside the glass envelope. Depending on how you handled the diode the carbon particle could dislodge and semi short across the junction. IIRC there was a bizarre test you could do which involved testing while tapping the glass with the cathode up (down?) on a sample of your suspect lot, very bizarre.
@ShainAndrews5 жыл бұрын
Mike, once again what a great display of your diligence. Very evident how many hours you logged learning and understanding these details. Undoubtably as fluent in this system as the original engineers were. That was an interesting detail that the vendor was removed from the approved list. I'm assuming they were originally approved for more than just diodes?
@andromedaturnbull35124 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or does anyone else think that Mike is super cute? 🔥 He manages to make debugging a diode failure sound enchanting.
@MarcelHuguenin5 жыл бұрын
I'm so impressed by this whole series of videos, it's absolutely amazing to see so much brain power at work. It has been very addictive to watch, same as the series about the Alto restoration. Amazing, thank you Marc for creating these wonderful videos with this great touch of humor and team for the great work you all do.
@QuintinMassey2 жыл бұрын
I certainly appreciate the time and effort it takes Mike to repair the diodes, but man is it so satisfying to watch for some reason!
@skfalpink1235 жыл бұрын
When you think what could have happened, had those diodes managed to survive "just" long enough to leave Earth's atmosphere. Pretty scary really...
@SweetBearCub5 жыл бұрын
Thankfully, the real LMs had an independently designed and built Abort Guidance System that would get them back to the CSM, it could substitute for the Apollo Guidance Computer during any phase (technically), except for the Lunar Landing phase. It was somewhat less accurate, but it was good enough. It also used less electrical power, which was a benefit to Apollo 13.
@paavotorkkola5235 жыл бұрын
I have the most respect for your wonderful humility fun engineering across the divide of age in guys and technology. pure fun and honest skills. and off course the anticlimax when it worked... as if it's over. exploration in all directions dimension is never over. it is evolution
@yuppiehi5 жыл бұрын
What are the value of the diodes? I never picked up on that. Just coincidence... Last week, I visited my neighborhood electronics shop. In one of the aisles, there was a cardboard box filled with old components. I bought the entire box after bargaining with the owner - $10 for the contents (he actually wanted to keep the box, so we threw the contents into another box- weird!) Anyway, I actually bought the batch because there were a bunch of TIL306 modules, and they alone are worth $$$$. When I got home and started to sort the box out, I came across 48 unopened envelopes of diodes. After some research and the help of EEVBlog, I discovered that the diodes were U.S. government stock, and were produced in 1962 by Raytheon. The diodes are MIL-SPEC. The AGC was being designed/built around that period of time. It would be really cool if the batch of diodes I have were actually used (or rejected?) during the build of the AGC.
@johnfrancisdoe15635 жыл бұрын
yuppiehi Well there's no chance Raytheon would trust that brand when building the AGC.
@mohammadbuhamad77442 ай бұрын
@@johnfrancisdoe1563 any designs of the originals avaliable ?
@RufftaMan5 жыл бұрын
Mike is crazy (in a good way). That was some nice debugging right there.
@cristiancruz50795 жыл бұрын
Big cheers for all the team Marc....its been a long way since the repair of the AGC started on that hotel room, quite fascinating to learn how a computer works in a very rudimentary version from the 60s. I shared the landing video( Part 21)yesterday on my facebook wall to commemorate the 50 anniversary of Apollo 11. Looks like the subscribers has been up and up since i started watching your channel. Congratulations again guys. ;-)
@malcolmbacchus4215 жыл бұрын
This has been an absolutely stunning achievement. I knew a lot about the programming of the AGC and the very basics of the electronics and, knowing that much, I am totally in awe with the sheer technical knowhow and expertise that you have all put into this. I know you have day jobs to go back too, but I'm sad in some ways that thus project is coming to an end, it has been compulsive viewing.
@matthewenderby5 жыл бұрын
This is so exciting, love the progress updates. A bit of a set back but repairable which is all that matters.
@FredClausen5 жыл бұрын
Marc you’re on a roll. I love it!
@hqqns5 жыл бұрын
@curiousmarc Have you thought about using the curve tracer on the remaining diodes to see if any are already on the way out? I.e Some preventative maintenance?
@CuriousMarc5 жыл бұрын
Of course, we took a trace of all the remaining diodes. They all look good at the moment.
@hqqns5 жыл бұрын
@@CuriousMarc That's promising I guess. I hope they stay like that!
@DEW4095 жыл бұрын
I'm going to miss this series. So interesting and exciting to watch genius at work on this ground breaking artifact. And, yes I watched Armstrong land on the moon fifty years ago.
@radiumdude5 жыл бұрын
This is extremely fascinating... I have not the slightest clue what on earth you’re doing there... but I can’t stop watching you guys 👍
@randalltufts33215 жыл бұрын
Question Marc??? Knowing the amazing expertise of this group, wouldn't it be possible to build your own 21st century block for demonstration purposes at a later date or just bite the bullet later on and do a full repair and unpotting of this module? 50 years on crappy diodes is a good run of luck but more failures are expected I'm positive of that at this point. As this AGC computer goes on tour and is transported, handled, temp. Changes etc. It Will undoubtedly plague this antique electronic module. This is a fantastic example of what American technology can produce when we all are of one mind and one purpose. This AGC was literally 50 years ahead of it's time. Congratulations to you gentlemen for a wonderful job. You have given tears of pure joy and childish excitement to this old man's heart. Seeing young men like you re-engineering and bringing back to life a piece of history this important to mankind shows me we are in good hands into the next century and beyond. Much appreciated 👍 PS: Any chance the luminescent dsky displays will be available for sale? I would commit to purchase immediately! Thx Marc
@ssnoc5 жыл бұрын
This series was so interesting and enjoyable to watch ... I plan on visiting the Cradle of Aviation museum to see the DSKY .... Excellent work 👍
@HarryStar565 жыл бұрын
I just saw that this computer will be at the museum near me in Bethpage, NY where the LEM was built. I've been glued to this series and now have found out that it's going to be up here in the next two days.
@eddievhfan19845 жыл бұрын
OOH, they're breaking out Orbiter! So excite!!!!!
@mikaras5 жыл бұрын
That is some serious brainpower gathered in the same room. :-) I really enjoy this series. Thanks!
@timcurran78415 жыл бұрын
Curious Marc and the AGC. The KZbin gift that keeps on giving! Thanks again guys! I’m with the others, I think the Mike’s T-Shirt business would really take off! Love the teaser for the next episode.
@Pants40965 жыл бұрын
I would so love to hang out with any of you guys for a day! The knowledge and love of the technology is infectious. I'm truly in awe at what Draper and NASA accomplished when they did it. They were so far past the state of the art! I don't know why that feels so much more amazing to me than the smartphone I'm holding in my hand, which is literally a supercomputer by previous standards. Their testing for component reliability astounds me, and as far as we know there were no electronic equipment failures in the whole program, correct? What mission was it that had the intermittent switch contact, that Draper was able to hot-fix in-flight? The sheer skill in the whole endeavor is just something to behold.
@alexandrebustico96913 жыл бұрын
That third diode failing is a benediction : it gives us the opportunity to get one more exciting episode :-)
@mogwopjr5 жыл бұрын
I thought that calling someone "rocket surgeon" was a play on words... Until we got to see real Rocket Surgeons. I believe all of you have now earned this title.
@XMarkxyz5 жыл бұрын
You've done a great work in all this episodes! I'm looking forward to see this module rejoining the rest of the agc
@beakytwitch79055 жыл бұрын
I love that - with his mind our young hero climbs right inside the Apollo Computer ! :-)
@TheFrozenSoldier5 жыл бұрын
The cliffhangers are killing me! Way to get me hooked Marc!
@jamesdenney96535 жыл бұрын
Would have been nice if you could have made use of Ben to come up with a chemical method to remove the potting compound.
@CuriousMarc5 жыл бұрын
We did ask him. He was not sure if something existed that would remove only the potting without damaging other stuff.
@ohger15 жыл бұрын
@@CuriousMarc It doesn't appear that the potting compound actually encapsulated the board, only covering the top with an air gap unless I'm seeing this wrong. If that's the case, you can thin cut the perimeter and pop the encapsulation off in one shot.
@compwiz1015 жыл бұрын
@@ohger1 they mill off the top layer, then Marc spends half a day with dental picks prying the (slightly softer) inner material out.
@ohger15 жыл бұрын
@@compwiz101 Thanks. I've dealt with all kinds of potting compound, but never saw one that had a hard outer shell and soft inner core.
@jbloodwo5 жыл бұрын
John-Del it is fully potted. In one of the other videos you see arc scraping at the stuff with a dental pic
@tycoinreno5 жыл бұрын
I am continuously astonished how similar that schematic looks to a modern one (stylistically, not necessarily design). Remarkable, for the 1960s.
@ericyt75895 жыл бұрын
so 3 dead diodes, and the rest are iffy enough the original vendor got flat-out banned from selling to NASA. heres hoping no more die on you!
@simontay48515 жыл бұрын
I think more will fail over time. See my comment above.
@Neofito895 жыл бұрын
Didn't know they got banned Edit: and this is what happen when you comment before finishing the video.
@SidneyCritic5 жыл бұрын
And that bad diodes were replaced with more bad diodes. lol
@jishcatg5 жыл бұрын
I wonder, are these same suspect diodes used in any other modules besides B11?
@rwdplz15 жыл бұрын
Yeah I'd be replacing them all...
@hinz15 жыл бұрын
Now, CuriousMarc is stuck on the moon with a failed AGC ;-)
@SweetBearCub5 жыл бұрын
Thankfully, the real LMs had an independently designed and built Abort Guidance System that would get them back to the CSM, it could substitute for the Apollo Guidance Computer during any phase (technically), except for the Lunar Landing phase. It was somewhat less accurate, but it was good enough. It also used less electrical power, which was a benefit to Apollo 13.
@BigDaddy_MRI5 жыл бұрын
Great video Marc!! You know un-potting the whole brick would be a good idea. You know that more diodes will fail over time. Seems NASA had the right idea eliminating that vendor. Landing on the moon and having a stuck/restarting/unresponsive AGC would be disaster. Excellent job to your whole team!!
@SweetBearCub5 жыл бұрын
Thankfully, the real LMs had an independently designed and built Abort Guidance System that would get them back to the CSM, it could substitute for the Apollo Guidance Computer during any phase (technically), except for the Lunar Landing phase. It was somewhat less accurate, but it was good enough. It also used less electrical power, which was a benefit to Apollo 13.
@dr.strangelove56225 жыл бұрын
DIODE DEATH RECORDED ON CAMERA!! THE ZOMBIE DIODE!! 😂😂😂 Even though the diode blew out, which is a sad thing, I still love the fact that you guys are uploading the video. You are not screening the things which happen. I loved Mike's explaination. I love datasheets and as I am a newbie to electronic engineering, I fumble and tumble all over the Schmitt trigger and AVR datasheets. But I learn more from them and experimentation rather than any book. What I like about your videos is that even though I am just starting in this field, I can relate to you guys. One thing I learn from you guys is that you have lots of patience!! So like I always say below every video of yours, Excellent work team!!
@danielson95795 жыл бұрын
They removed the vendor.. I predict a few more diode troubles on the horizon 😕
@alakani5 жыл бұрын
@@bobroberts2371 Yes, eventually. But also no.
@littlejason995 жыл бұрын
Marc - "Maybe we should just replace all diodes.... How many are in that thing?" Mike - "There's 28 in the current switch module..." Marc - "Ooouch... I don't think I'm up to it..."
@ScienceANDesign5 жыл бұрын
I’m waiting for the 50k subscribers special upload..!!😎 great work Mike and Marc..!👏👏👏
@beansontoast93235 жыл бұрын
I love yalls effort and amazkng drive into this wonderful peaice of tech. I LOVE YALL
@ohger15 жыл бұрын
I've NEVER seen potting that didn't soak down and totally encapsulate every bit of surface. It's almost like the module was turned upside down and lowered into a potting tray so the potting mixture wouldn't coat the whole board - but only provide an airtight cover. Seems like you could Dremel a fine cut around the perimeter of this module and pop off the potting in one shot.
@hamishgrove77225 жыл бұрын
Every time you take the milling machine to that module i just want to run out of the room screaming. It looks like you are hammering in a tiny nail with a sledgehammer.😆
@Pants40965 жыл бұрын
Not when you're accurate to a thousandth of an inch, though! A well-run well-calibrated cnc mill in his skilled hands could almost do eye surgery.
@PapasDino5 жыл бұрын
I gotta figure out how to give these guys more than one thumbs up! Great job...look forward to the next episode!
@MostlyPennyCat5 жыл бұрын
Just build a new B12. Those diodes weren't up to snuff, just build a new B12.
@alakani5 жыл бұрын
Great now all I'm going to remember is that diodes are an important part of a balanced breakfast
@simontay48515 жыл бұрын
you should mill out/excavate the potting at ALL the diode locations then replace them all with modern new equivalents (or better) in one go and be done with it. long term it will be less frustrating and take less time than having to keep taking it back to the milling machine every time another diode fails (and they will keep failing over time). Just get on with it and do the whole lot. Strange that they fail open. Ive only seen diodes that failed short.
@simontay48515 жыл бұрын
Who was/is the manufacturer of these faulty diodes that fail open so i know not to use them myself.
@compwiz1015 жыл бұрын
@@simontay4851 in fairness, a lot of improvements have been made to semiconductor manufacturing since then - back then it was brand new technology, after all.
@FrozenHaxor5 жыл бұрын
@@simontay4851 That comment is completely unfair, these diodes were made over 50 years ago where silicon technology was a totally new thing. It would be naive to think that they would still push on people the early faulty designs knowing what we know now about the technology involved, especially something so trivial as a simple diode.
@1944GPW5 жыл бұрын
Marc's curve tracer is a beautiful piece of equipment for diodes, transistors and other components. There is a cheaper device called the Huntron Tracker that does a similar job but still these units cost quite a lot on eBay. Fortunately, if you have a dual trace oscilloscope you can build your own rather-less-fancy version with probably what you have in your junk spares box. It's called 'The Octopus curve tracer circuit', just search it up there plenty of DIY examples on the net eg. www.jammarcade.net/simple-component-tester-a-k-a-octopus-curve-tracer/
@leisergeist5 жыл бұрын
That looks brilliant, thanks for sharing. I wonder how well it would work on a digital scope.. I guess the output would just look more messy
@alakani5 жыл бұрын
Great tip! You can also use a function generator instead of the transformer for added versatility
@1944GPW5 жыл бұрын
@@leisergeist Further to my comment above, the one I built works just fine with my generic Golden Dragon 100MHz digital scope. I fitted it into a plastic electrical junction box I had lying around and put Dymo-labelled banana sockets on the top, just like in some of the examples.
@leisergeist5 жыл бұрын
@@1944GPW Great, thanks for the info
@72polara5 жыл бұрын
You guys are getting really good at this! Too bad you have to get this good....
@AmauryJacquot5 жыл бұрын
in a couple weeks, all the diodes will have been replaced ;-)
@gtb81.5 жыл бұрын
Amaury Jacquot I hope he makes a vid about it too
@PWingert19665 жыл бұрын
This is so much more fun the coloring for relaxation!
@Gadyuzkha5 жыл бұрын
You know.. its a really good thing these modules didn't fail while in the LEM during the mission. Can you imagine NASA trying to walk the astronauts through this repair while in space?
@JanBruunAndersen5 жыл бұрын
Mike is officially a genius.
@gavincurtis5 жыл бұрын
The diode is becomming self aware.and attempting to communicate.
@CursedLcie5 жыл бұрын
Even though I'm not worthy I still really want to know where Mike got that Apollo guidance Navigation and Control tshirt haha. Its awesome!
@1944GPW5 жыл бұрын
It's been mentioned here that Mike made it himself - presumably supplied the image to a print-your-design t-shirt place?. That logo and text appears on the covers of some of the MIT handbooks which can be found on archive.org eg. Don Eyles AGC manual that Mike himself scanned archive.org/details/agc_handbook_jp2 Well that's my guess on how his great t-shirt came about.
@CursedLcie5 жыл бұрын
Ah ok thanks! Ya i can see that now. You're probably right. it would be cool if Mike can and Marc can make some of those Tshirts for his shop but I'm sure there are some possible NASA/MIT trademark/copyright issues with that hence the custom shirt.
@kooziesan5 жыл бұрын
Solid work, chaps. Love the videos
@htroberts5 жыл бұрын
I was going to ask if you had considered building a new B11. The mechanical construction seems straightforward (if obviously a pain in the ass), and the electronic components are probably available. Then I realized the largest challenge would probably be the transformers. Anyway, really enjoy the series.
@Megabobster5 жыл бұрын
How authentic is the blue color of the replica EL DSKY display Ben made? I tried looking it up but I wasn't able to find anything conclusive from my brief investigation.
@CuriousMarc5 жыл бұрын
The wavelength of the DSKY display is specified, and it’s more green than it is blue. Unfortunately Ben could not fond any EL paint of that shade.
@ElvisStansvik5 жыл бұрын
Hm, 28 diods in that thing, and three down now (?). I guess we have at least 25 more episodes to look forward to! \o/
@Captain_Char5 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many diodes failed on NASA during the Apollo program, if it was enough for NASA to remove this particular ones from their vendors and parts list, it must have had a serious failure rate
@rkan25 жыл бұрын
Well if they are failing running within their normal specs...
@BradyBegeman5 жыл бұрын
I’m sure many, but then again they weren’t using 50 year old diodes.
@JonathanStray5 жыл бұрын
What is that "5451C Fourier Analyzer" in the background at 3:50? Seems like a crazy piece of vintage hardware!
@analogdesigner-Jay5 жыл бұрын
Nice work! At least you guys had a better day in the lab than I did...
@SuzuranMajere5 жыл бұрын
I SAW MY WORK!
@ZeroSpawn5 жыл бұрын
You guys are magical! 🔮
@Godzilla0325 жыл бұрын
Great work. Mike your a legend!
@matteofalduto7663 жыл бұрын
The Luis Rossmann of Lunar Modules
@Turboy655 жыл бұрын
Due to component ageing and the qualities of late 60s diodes, it might be best to replace all the diodes of that type. I know that's a lot of work but there's a good chance that all of the original ones are going to fail before many more hours of operation.
@jeffreyplum52595 жыл бұрын
it seems there was just to much "Die" in that type of diode. Good Luck guys.
@JohnRineyIII5 жыл бұрын
I watched a video today with Don Eyles walking through some Luminary source listings. I noticed a couple fixed memory modules on his shelf; any thoughts on getting in contact with him about dumping those? I understand he's been generous with providing listings for transcription.
@patemblen36445 жыл бұрын
You guys are amazing.
@mariodistefano29735 жыл бұрын
Oh, it was so pity to see that diode died right under the test equipment ... At This point, I would suggest to remove all that nasty Black resin... Just in case (unlikely!) of another faulty component... A chíll in my spine: Just imagine that diode go faulty while landing on the moon! TERRIFIC!
@leisergeist5 жыл бұрын
iirc it took him an entire day of carpal tunnel inducing precision chiseling work just to get to each of the previous squares Marc has some seriously admirable patience, but doing the entire thing would probably be way too much lol My hands ached just watching him do it!
@electronash5 жыл бұрын
"Swiss Cheese Module B11" lol
@MockBrainworthy5 жыл бұрын
Just showed up to this thread. Have you tried Decap for the potted modules? Used to do destructive physical analysis on potted ICs and modules in the late 80's. Put it in a bath and the potting material dissolves.
@frac5 жыл бұрын
That could very well be a recorded first. That clearly was a failure shown as it happened. And that curve tracer paid for itself in an instant.
@MostlyPennyCat5 жыл бұрын
To be fair, it's practically 50s tech, 60 years later. I'm surprised any of that gear had survived.
@pmcgee0035 жыл бұрын
X ... t ... 3 ... yeah, that guy doesn't know *what* he's talking about. :D :D Excellent work.
@mymessylab5 жыл бұрын
It seems that AGC wont to remain with you guy😬(at least a module). Of course.. nobody in the world will take care of it better than you 🤗
@mechmania84505 жыл бұрын
Diode high forward resistance then open, must have worried the designers. What did they do for cosmic ray screening ?
@jdholbrook335 жыл бұрын
Houston???? I hope we get to see it while it's here.
@FrozenHaxor5 жыл бұрын
They were damn right banning that diode vendor lol
@jtveg5 жыл бұрын
That kid is a genius!
@MatthijsvanDuin5 жыл бұрын
Maybe the diode returned from "open" to "somewhat working but iffy" and went back to "open" under test-load due to thermal contraction/expansion?
@ohger15 жыл бұрын
Intermittent semis are not uncommon. Pure speculation but it seems to me it's a bonding issue between the semiconductor and the leads in a diode, and possibly contact issues within layers on transistors.
@wtmayhew5 жыл бұрын
One of my speculations a couple of episodes back was the diodes were exposed to mechanical shock when this particular B11 module was assembled. Using diagonal cutters instead of a scissors type cutter to trim the excess lead from the diodes can subject the bond wires and semiconductor to many Gs of shock, leading to a latent failure. My theory seems a bit less plausible knowing the scrupulous conditions under which the modules would have been manufactured - and the banning of the vendor puts the blame squarely on the parts. Other factors also could have led to the problems in this specific module - for example, this module may have been used for temperature cycling tests, mechanical shock tests or electrical stress tests. Whenever I work on equipment with small semiconductors, especially glass encapsulated diodes, I trim leads using a scissors type cutter I found at Electronic Surplus in Cleveland, Ohio in the late 1970s.
@switchthechannel63175 жыл бұрын
Wait, they're going to plug it into a GUI?
@SuzuranMajere5 жыл бұрын
That's Project Apollo / NASSP for Orbiter. We implement the yaAGC emulator inside the Orbiter spaceflight engine, and then simulate all the rest of the ship around it. I am the maintainer-pro-tem and wrote the special joystick driver that lets the user have two joysticks for simultaneous translation and rotation controls (the way real spacecraft work).
@indianajones915 жыл бұрын
@Devon Casper You'll probably see it fully explained in the next video. Mike connected his gate exact FPGA AGC (which has been shown a few times in this video series) to NASSP, instead of the Virtual AGC emulator. The simulation already talks to the Virtual AGC like if it was a real AGC, setting the right input signals, processing the output signals from the AGC etc. So that made it feasible to do this and probably also to connect it to the real AGC.
@jms0195 жыл бұрын
Worth asking whether something in your environment pops diodes
@pl22475 жыл бұрын
Can you do with the simulator the famous error 1202?
@CuriousMarc5 жыл бұрын
Mike can do anything... Coming up next.
@pl22475 жыл бұрын
@@CuriousMarc Mythical
@simonmorris39645 жыл бұрын
Don't see any servicemen having to change diodes in voyager 1 or 2 ......from one reliability extreme to the other 8 years later.
@SweetBearCub5 жыл бұрын
Voyager 1and 2 were also built a bit more than 10 years later, with more refined electronics. Having said that, both V1 and V2 have had to have instruments shut down due to degraded performance, and the RTG power source on both is steadily providing less and less electrical power.
@Pants40965 жыл бұрын
Well, as they discussed, there's a reason this module never flew. They _knew_ it was defective.
@SomeGuyInSandy5 жыл бұрын
How hard would it be to recreate an new Current Switch Module from scratch? You have an example and the schematics...
@gu4xinim5 жыл бұрын
Could this module be replaced? Or does it have any special component on it? Would be nice to preserve its state.
@ReneSchickbauer5 жыл бұрын
There were only a few dozen of these made at the most. So the chance of finding an original replacement part are practically zero. Yes, you could build a new one, Mike has the whole circuit plan - but the goal is to save as much as possible of the original hardware.
@htroberts5 жыл бұрын
I know some Apollo electronic component connections were welded instead of being soldered, primarily to save the weight of the solder. Were these internals soldered originally (I think you have a non-flight article, so it may have been soldered even if flight examples were welded)?
@zachz965 жыл бұрын
If a modern CPU dies, you put the whole thing in the trash. If a 1960s CPU dies, you just have to replace some diodes and transistors to make it work again.
@gordonwelcher9598 Жыл бұрын
The 1N914 diodes require a strain relief loop when used in cordwood construction. Maybe you should advise NASA quickly before they build the next batch of guidance computers.
@heredownunder5 жыл бұрын
I concur!
@DAVIDGREGORYKERR5 жыл бұрын
What about dunking the B11 module in a metal container of xylene solvent and be shot of the potting compound for good and encapsulate the Module in Silicon Rubber.
@grant20535 жыл бұрын
9th!! Love this guys!! Hope you got my email Marc! Please keep it up! It gets better every time!!
@chrisg65975 жыл бұрын
If you can measure the diodes (or lack of a working diode) across the pins of the module, then couldn't you add a new diode across the socket on the AGC?
@ohger15 жыл бұрын
Edit: No, according to a comment from Marc on a similar question, the diodes are in series with an inductor, so while the diode can be read and even curve traced externally, adding a diode along the terminal strips would put it out of circuit with the inductor.
@steve1978ger5 жыл бұрын
www.ibiblio.org/apollo/klabs/history/history_docs/r713.pdf - E.C. Hall, "Reliability History of the Apollo Guidance Computer", 1972; p.23: "... intermittent short circuits caused by loose conducting particles entrapped within the package" - you're re-living AGC history here :D - it also says they standardized to use only one type of switching diode, but there are 3300 of them in an AGC (p. 42 although that refers to Block 2 I think).
@SuperAWaC5 жыл бұрын
you might want to just unpot the whole module at this point- provided it's polyurethane i have had success with N-methyl pyrolidone (NMP) in a vacuum chamber
@avcomth5 жыл бұрын
The diodes probably failed due to its aging and impure Germanium elements. Remember, early 1950s-60s era fabrication processes and techniques were quite crude and unsophisticated which resulted in impurities that degrade Germanium and causes the semiconductivity to fail over time.
@CuriousMarc5 жыл бұрын
These were silicon. Being unstable in resistance and failing suddenly open like this, I’d think this is a packaging failure or stress fracture. But just like you, this is speculation, which is not a valid way to explain a failure.
@TarakuT5 жыл бұрын
Replace them all.
@boherrmannsen82195 жыл бұрын
not sure if it would be possible, but 3d print a frame and build up a complete new module and insert that in to the metal frame and then pot it again make the 3d printed frame so that the potting can be removed again without risking anything
@johnfrancisdoe15635 жыл бұрын
Bo Herrmannsen Or just don't pot it. Most other modules in this AGC are unpotted.
@bar04z5 жыл бұрын
Have tour dates been announced?
@bar04z5 жыл бұрын
Found the blog post rescue1130.blogspot.com/2019/07/final-preparations-for-public-display.html