Curmudgeons React to GEORGE CARLIN on Bull in Religion

[@JoeZamecki]

Carlin went to bat for our right to free speech and you chose to censor him. Lame.

[@carlh-thehermitwithwi-fi679]

"respect the gods, but do not expect their assistance" Gautama Buddha.....a GREAT teacher!

[@2curmudgeons]

Love this teaching. Miyamoto Musashi lived by those words. It is well served to keep this passage in mind when you are following the path in your faith.

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

Funny that people feel that "shopping for religion" is perfectly acceptable and yet also believe that THEIR beliefs in THAT religion are the "true" beliefs and the others are not. If there actually was a "right" set of beliefs wouldn't it be much more apparent? Wouldn't God make them apparent? The main thing that made me finally see the light was this fact, that my beliefs are largely, almost entirely, based on where I was born and by whom I was raised. If I had been born somewhere else in the world I would very likely have entirely different beliefs and I would feel just as strongly about them. So how can there be a "right" belief system? And how unfair would it be for God to condemn me for being born into the "wrong" religion? Remember: We do not choose our beliefs, generally. We are born into them.

[@Z-one1000]

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able to? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He able to prevent evil, but not willing to? Then He is not omnibenevolent. Is He neither able or willing to prevent evil? Then why call Him a god?" - Epicurus

[@2curmudgeons]

@@Z-one1000 Definately something to ponder…

[@JohnDavis-e3c]

Amen!

[@Barbara-be6bq]

God is able and willing to prevent and stop evil. He doesn't always. First of all, he wants people to have a relationship with him, but they think they can run their own lives without him. It's people that do evil things, not God. Didn't God just put a new good president in the oval office, and it will stop the evil that has been going on for the last 4 years. God has a plan for mankind, but people don't take the time to read the Bible and learn about our Savior Jesus. He died a horrible death for humanity, that he didn't have to do. If that isn't love, I don't know what is. We will all find out when our time comes. People need to repent and believe in Jesus Christ (God Incarnate) for the forgiveness of their sins. Those things you said about him come from listening to satan. That is the evil ones goal. To make people believe such things.

[@JohnDavis-e3c]

Learn to read.

[@Z-one1000]

@@Barbara-be6bq You're delusional. There are plenty of times in the bible where God commits acts that would be considered evil if any of us had done them. Such as ordering the genocide of entire nations (including livestock, children and unborn), turning people into pillars of tabletop condiments (a.k.a. salt) just for looking backwards, and of course wiping nearly every living thing in a giant flood. But because God has no authority that he must answer to, he's free to do whatever corrupt things he wants, and we can only shrug our shoulders, turn a blind eye and pretend that his behavior is all fine. Otherwise he might throw a cosmic temper tantrum if we call him on it. So just remember...when millions of children are suffering slow, agonizing deaths from pediatric cancers and other illnesses, remember that God could instantly cure them, or at the very least - if he really wants them in heaven with him - could easily grant them an instantaneous and painless death instead. But hey, that's just God being "mysterious" again, right?

[@HuzonFurst]

You really don't need to censor a word that every living entity on the planet knows!

[@2curmudgeons]

@@HuzonFurst We understand, it would definately be easier for editing:) but youtube loves to ban people for arbitrary reasons so we are trying to play it somewhat safe. We appreciate the feedback! Maybe down the road we can be a little less reserved:)

[@mejestin]

15:15 rolf, madia player pressent: coloring

[@captainwillygrimm338]

7 forbiden hollywwood cusswords skit by George Is Hilarious. He wondered why G_ddamn was not on the list. 😂

[@AudiophileTubes]

Read 'The God Delusion' by Richard Dawkins. An 'eye opener' for sure!

[@JohnDavis-e3c]

I find it hard to believe that two supposedly adult men can believe in something so childish.

[@casparuskruger4807]

It is indeed baffling. Through their entire lives, these two have have been lied to, conditioned and brainwashed. And the reason they don't know they've been lied to, conditioned and brainwashed, is because they've been lied to, conditioned and brainwashed.

[@bake7148]

@@casparuskruger4807 I am a non-believer. 25,000 people on this planet will die of hunger tomorrow, and if I wake up with a toothache, why am I so special that the same God who has done nothing for these people should listen to my prayer to make me feel better? But that being said, much of it is conditioning. Some people have these thoughts drilled into their head from the time they are able to talk or think, and they will never change. And if they need it and believe it, that's great. I wish I could believe in eternal life.

[@casparuskruger4807]

@@bake7148 Some people, like myself, were able to free themselves from the bottomless sludge of indoctrination. .

[@bake7148]

@@casparuskruger4807 Exactly. So was I. For some reason, some cannot.

[@Lee_Bode]

They want to ride the gravy train and become youtard icons.

[@didonna1974]

I would enjoy your guys take on George Carlin's bit on the 10 Commandments.

[@2curmudgeons]

@@didonna1974 we will look at that. Thank you for the feedback:)

[@garrymontgomery2033]

Two holier than thou bros who haven't taken the time to think about what they espouse and worship . . .

[@2curmudgeons]

Just provoking though as to why people feel this way.

[@Lee_Bode]

@@2curmudgeons Because they found out that philosophy and science are the paths to the truth. To claim that knowledge can come from faith is clearly false.

[@2curmudgeons]

Interesting...hmmmm

[@johncurtis7186]

The Bible actually sanctions slavery…..how wonderful 😳

[@2curmudgeons]

@@johncurtis7186 Did we read the same Bible? It was very much against slavery. Let my people go was the theme?

[@johncurtis7186]

@ : I guess you’ve not read the Bible? Let’s start with Exodus 21:20-21 20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

[@carlh-thehermitwithwi-fi679]

carlin was against ORGANIZED religion...givne the way it is going for them today....he was right.

[@2curmudgeons]

Organized religion; the corporate religions seem to be killing the spirit in which people go to worship. It is so sad when money and power get in the way of your faith!

[@dahveed72]

He was against all religion. He focused on "organized" religion because it was a convenient target.

[@carlh-thehermitwithwi-fi679]

@@dahveed72 valid point. I think he would have been OK with a Buddhist, so long as he didn't step on his toes or ask for money.

[@billvegas8146]

@@carlh-thehermitwithwi-fi679 Carlin was an atheist.

[@JohnDavis-e3c]

What convinced me, was the idea, I was being punished for what someone else did??

[@Lee_Bode]

Ah yes, the jesus myth. It's just too hard for god to just forgive original sin. He had to have his son cancel his weekend to forgive us.

[@Lee_Bode]

If you expect to use the great Mr. Carlin's name in your video, you can expect many folks who took his advise and started gaining a good understanding of philosophy and science to come rushing here and attempt to help you understand the error of your ways. It's exceedingly difficult to debate religion in youtube chat, but I'd be happy to try if you would like to discuss with an open mind.

[@2curmudgeons]

@@Lee_Bode You assume I haven’t studied philosophy or science? Your argument is false because you claim absolutes. We don’t say absolutes. We are provoking thought to understand why people walk away from religion. We respect other’s beliefs and don’t disparage someone’s right for what they believe. You bring a side to which a lot of people are drifiting. We definitely like your response. Having a few degrees in my pocket, I do understand a deeper philosophical understanding of my subject. But, again, I am not here to convince anyone, but to only ponder the attributes of religious behavior as Carlin does. Thank you again for your thought provoking comment:)

[@Lee_Bode]

@@2curmudgeons Good point about my use of the word "actually". Many walk away from religious claims because they learn, as you should have, that they are unsubstantiated. Which George himself has already pointed out. You say you aren't here to convince anyone, but it would certainly seem you are here to profit from long lost arguments like many other youtubers. Do you claim that the god described in Christianity exists?

[@Lee_Bode]

@@2curmudgeons Also, you claim that you don't say absolutes, yet right at the beginning of your video you say there is a god. Rusty was asked if there is a god and he said, "Well in my book there is." That is about as absolute as it gets.

[@Lee_Bode]

@@2curmudgeons I edited "actually" out of my original comment since you did well to point out the flaw. I appreciate that as I'm always trying to improve my writing skills, and didn't want to open a dialog with a demeaning attack.

[@2curmudgeons]

@ Again, my beliefs, my faith, but I don’t try to push my ideology on others. I don’t judge others for their beliefs. I just try to do good by others and live the best life I can:). In my book there is a God, in yours there may only be science and philosophy. Regardless, I am okay with that because it is not mine to judge you for your belief. Live the best life you can and be good to others:)

[@Michaelvan-g3q]

Carlin was / is BANG ON!!

[@JohnDavis-e3c]

Cave dwellers guide to the universe.

[@2curmudgeons]

@@JohnDavis-e3c LOL:). True

[@cmasseylynch]

Er it's not bullshit.thank you.

[@mejestin]

as atheist i heard nothing but biasses.. good for you

[@2curmudgeons]

@@mejestin Just mean for thought. In combat I have seen no atheist by the way:)

[@mejestin]

@@2curmudgeons there no combat, there's what proven to be real and what flase bias of weak minded peoole... Sorry.. i guess god wanted you to hear that 😂

[@Lee_Bode]

@@2curmudgeons No atheist has ever died in combat? Do you realize what that claim looks like? Atheists die all the time without what you are thinking of as time to say something like "oh god I was wrong please forgive me". I'll go so far as to claim that many given the time have not uttered this nonsense because they actually comprehend the arguments. On top of that, just because someone does utter that nonsense, doesn't mean they've truly converted. Fear of death is a strong motivator to suddenly figure, ah what the heck, what harm could it do? To call that a conversion is a falsehood.

[@dahveed72]

Im sorry but there is no Jim Carrey or Bill Murray movie that adequately addresses Mr. Carlins concerns about Christianity and religion.

[@2curmudgeons]

Overall I agree; however, there was a segment where Carrey grants all prayers to come true and the world turns into chaos. It shows even though people get what they wanted, it still doesn't satisfy their needs. This was illustrated throughout the Bible and the history of christianity.

[@JoeZamecki]

You're impressed with people who can leave their organized religion snd still be happy? Hell, I'm impressed with anyone who can withstand being in an organized religion. It's like, how can you stand that whole mess of nonsense and hate, combined with so much polyester snd cheap perfume? lolol

[@2curmudgeons]

@@JoeZamecki so funny:). Love it!

[@joelopilato6625]

I no longer believe that one needs an organized religion in order to realize a relationship with Jesus or God... Anyone with a smattering of intelligence can read the New Testament, Old Testament, Quran, or whatever and incorporate age-old notions meant to better their lives... Religion relies on indoctrination for relevancy... Today, I'm almost 80 years old but still remember the story that I was told in my childhood about the boy who died after missing Sunday Mass and appeared to everyone at his funeral to announce that he should not be prayed for because he was in hell... Would 40,000 Palestinians of Gaza have died if generations of muslim children were NOT taught to hate the Jews in the middle east??? If you look it up, you will find that upwards of 200 million people have been killed in religious wars over the past 20 Centuries... For this fact alone, Religion has a lot to answer for...

[@2curmudgeons]

Defiantly give one a lot to ponder in life. I don't think three lifetimes is enough to understand the complexities of life, God etc. Loved your comment! Thank you!

[@7-z7y]

Who made who? George is right..... its about control.

[@jerushamaxwell281]

Veni, vidi, Pesci!

[@jerushamaxwell281]

Hey, what Pesci fan couldn't mind-scroll through all of his amazingly emoted scenes in 'Casino'? Joe then still owned a fab head of hair, and Pesci'd his way thru anyone who pi$$ed him off! The movie being based on true events, the execution scene of Joe (Nikki) and his brother, had to be surmised in mob gory fashion. But y'all know this!

[@billvegas8146]

Carlin had the better theological argument. It's not just a comedy bit. Give it some more thought and try again. Your off the cuff reaction was very weak.

[@2curmudgeons]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

I liked the "Couple of reasons I went with the sun. First, I can actually SEE the sun" comment. There are so many people around the world who make it their job to defend God and the Bible without actually thinking to themselves, "Well gee whiz, if God is all-powerful why does He need us puny human beings to defend Him? Why doesn't He just end all debate by showing His face to the entire world and speak to us? He is all-powerful so He could do it in every language and make it so that even blind people could see Him and deaf people could hear Him. It would take Him less than 30 seconds and would change the world." I've never heard a good argument for why He doesn't do this.

[@2curmudgeons]

@@JustWasted3HoursHere Always a deep subject to ponder for sure!

[@JohnDavis-e3c]

People waste from 10 t0 15 years of their life on this holy hogwash. You waste my time.

[@Lee_Bode]

No point in arguing with fools who are making money off the scam, they'll never change.

[@JohnDavis-e3c]

Buy Bull!

[@casparuskruger4807]

God not only does not exist, God cannot possibly exist in any logical sense. God is claimed to be a conscious entity that created all that exists The idea of consciousness requires existence for that consciousness to exist at all, in that the idea of any entity capable of being conscious requires some existence to be conscious OF. If there is nothing to perceive, there is nothing to form concepts--the very things required to possess any form of consciousness. This certainly would then create a problem in the claim that logically, God was a conscious entity that created all that exists, wouldn't it? IN CONCLUSION The very things that god is claimed to have created, are the very things that were required to exist BEFORE God could ever logically exist Himself.

[@Barbara-be6bq]

I really feel sorry for you. You made absolutely no sense what so ever.

[@Barbara-be6bq]

And you say it's logic?

[@casparuskruger4807]

@@Barbara-be6bq Now isn't that funny. Every atheist that reads this seems to have no problem understand my SIMPLE argumemt.

[@casparuskruger4807]

@@Barbara-be6bq Argumentum ad misericordiam.

[@o.i.c.uvanish9169]

You guys seem like good folk, but so brainwash.

[@2curmudgeons]

Again, this is to provoke though as to why people feel this way. No brainwashing involved:)

[@Barbara-be6bq]

I'll bet money, most of the people on here have never even picked up the Bible, or read one page of it. First of all God is no one's genie in a bottle that he should be expected to do anything for sinful man. He didn't have to go through the horrible pain and suffering of the cross either, but he did, and did it out of love. He says there is no excuse for not believing. All a person has to do is look around outside. I guess this universe came from that old stupid big bang, and created perfect order. Try having a relationship with Jesus, which is what he wants. Then people would have a different outlook about him. But no, alot of people are too busy wanting to run their own life and caring about things, money, fame, power and whatever else. Someday you will all know. Repent and seek Jesus while you can. People don't want to believe they will be held accountable.

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

Several years ago I challenged myself to actually read the bible cover to cover. Folks, there is some really crazy, hateful and immoral stuff in there. Even if you just read the first few books you will find a lot of stuff that will make your eyes bulge.

[@thewonkyembouchure]

You guessed wrong about what the Big Bang theory addresses; it explains the expansion of the universe from a dense and hot state into the observable cosmos we inhabit today. It doesn’t account for what preceded the expansion or the ultimate origin of the universe. If you’re going to call a scientific theory “stupid”, at least know what it actually states.

[@thewonkyembouchure]

Well, I picked up the Bible and started reading at Genesis 1. Light is created on Day 1, but the sun and moon aren’t made until Day 4. How exactly was there day and night without them? Plants are created on Day 3, but obviously, they'd need the sun (which isn’t created until Day 4!). As they say, you only get one chance to make a good impression! I pushed on but gave up at Genesis 2; the order of creation was miraculously completely different! If you're going to write the Logos of God, at least hire an editor to catch obvious errors!

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

@@thewonkyembouchure Kent Hovind defends this dual creation story by saying that the second one only applies to the Garden of Eden. Yep, I'm not even kidding. But the bit with the sun being created on the fourth "day" is a bit more of a problem and I don't think I've ever heard a single apologist explain it.

[@Lee_Bode]

@@JustWasted3HoursHere I'm just so blown away that it isn't obvious to everyone that trash was man-made. Especially today.