Current State of the Entry Level Software Engineering Market | End of 2023

[@ImLure]

5,000 applications between two prospects with decent knowledge and credentials is quite literally insane for a lack of better term. There’s honestly no reason why any should have to apply for that many jobs to land a single job. I’m glad they made it out of application hell

[@DexterrrrX]

Exactly it’s so messed up

[@jcvirtcloudconsultancy7552]

They now have to get pass probationary period !!

[@googm]

They were probably holding out for that tier 1 offer, like he said. I'm sure they got plenty of interviews and probably even a few offers.

[@genx7006]

I find it very hard to believe anyone would send out that many applications. You should be carefully analyzing every company you apply to, for your own benefit. It sounds like they did the "spray and pray" approach.

[@ImLure]

@@genx7006 I don’t think it would be that hard to reach 5,000 application as there are companies that have automated third party sites like Greenhouse, Lever, etc and many big companies use those as well. In my opinion, spray and pray (in numbers) analytically looks inefficient but if the process takes you less time to actually secure a job, is it actually a terrible method? 5,000 where the average time spent is maybe 10-15 100 applications where the average time is rough 1hr- 1.5hr Depending on what market, each approach works well but the amount of rejects in SnP makes your overall average look worse.

[@djcardwellai]

I have 10 years of experience, worked at Apple and Amazon, I've never seen a harder time during my career. You're not alone if you're struggling.

[@andressswe]

That's crazy! If an ex Apple and ex Amazon is struggling, I can't imagine how new grads are doing. I'm gonna be a CS new grad myself in about 2 years, hopefully things will be better by then for everyone.

[@ExecutionMods]

@@andressswe Lol I am a cum laude new grad from a pretty good university with some professional experience (building software for a professor and freelance) and only got one real interview in the last 4 months of searching. I definitely haven't applied to thousands of jobs yet but yes it is very difficult rn for new grads. Update: Actually just got an interview with a good company! Tip - apply to companies that show up at your university's job fairs.

[@djcardwellai]

@@andresssweMy advice is never stop learning and don't hesitate to take risk and start your own streams of income.

[@petrucristiannegrea725]

dude if you are not lying then holy SH!T! fk work; I think most are just shadow jobs anyway

[@lamedame1213]

This is a straight-out lie, unless you were like HR or something a SWE from these companies will GUARANTEE you a cushy position at a mid sized firm.

[@JustinWellsDev]

I think I got a little lucky - I was in IT support and hated it. I was always bored, and decided I wanted to become a software engineer. September of 2022 I started a free online course for iOS development, finished it in December and started my own project for an iOS app. I also started applying for jobs at this point. Two months (February 2023) and 180 failed applications later and I got an interview booked, then the second, and then a job offer for $55/hour as an iOS developer for a medical company. Coming from $24/hour with no degree, no bootcamp, and a single dad that was life changing

[@xxxxyyyy-ll3hz]

Reality check, a bootcamp doesn’t make you a software engineer. Not even remotely close. It’s absurd that the US doesn’t protect the title like some other countries do.

[@JustinWellsDev]

@@xxxxyyyy-ll3hz I didn’t take a Bootcamp, but there’s a lot that goes into being a software engineer rather than just a developer. On top of the free course I took (which only specifically taught iOS development) I’ve read several books as well to build structure underneath my specific development knowledge. During my iOS dev course and even into after I got hired as a software engineer I was reading through these books as well - Head first software development, head first design patterns, Gang of Four design patterns, UML diagrams, head first agile, head first software architecture. I believe me reading all of these books on my own accord, and incorporating them into how I design software and build it is the key to how I secured a software engineering job. Edit: Oh, and the book I’m reading now (purely for fun and growth) is the “common sense guide to data structures and algorithms”

[@bbaddd12345]

@@xxxxyyyy-ll3hzdude, it’s about experience and ability/competency. Plus, when interviewing it’s not all about technical skills, networking and relationships building + rapport and the lack of it can be used to leverage your chance of being hired

[@Yangmang]

@@xxxxyyyy-ll3hz bro deal with it. If he’s working and doing fine, you’re just closing the market to those who cant afford it. That is never going to happen.

[@Zeph504]

I better start moving now, project is really the important. Good Luck everyone

[@vectoralphaSec]

The whole entire point of entry level is that it is for people who do not have any professional experience. New grads or career changers. Every single company should have an entry level training program that hires these types of people at lower cost so that they can get jobs and thus experience. These jobs should be lower payed, but should have easy access to getting hired and the company gets to mold the developer as they would want them to be. I would 100% apply to a $50k a year job as an entry level developer to have an acutal job, learn on the job, get training and experience and as the dev grows then move on to higher roles.

[@vectoralphaSec]

@ArbitrarilyAnswereD if the company can't do it then it should collapse and not be a company then.

[@PinkPulpito]

@@Protocol15you should hire small children

[@hamm8934]

@@vectoralphaSec tell that to every other field’s enter level wages lol.

[@kevinhoang9074]

From someone who was once in your shoes that was the dream scenario; just a decent wage and some opportunities to gain experience. The big problem is they would need to invest time which is more expensive than money in hopes you develop which may not happen. And if you do develop you’re likely to leave in 2-3 years for more pay because your market value has increased significantly and most companies have archaic promotion processes. Essentially, it’s better to get someone with experience and pay them more to get the work done and not worry about them leaving for more money.

[@SimplyTakara89]

I really love this comment…I agree!

[@CodeFatherX]

I think the industry is shooting itself in the foot by drastically cutting opportunities for entry level devs. Eventually, people are going to age out

[@swaggitypigfig8413]

Not in other countries my guy. USA is not the whole world. Plenty of young people in Asia and LATAM

[@courtneys4796]

Age out or burn out at this rate.

[@vectoralphaSec]

lol No company hires anymore entry level junior devs and all the current devs grow old, leave or retire. Thus the company has no more employees. The company collapses.

[@cafer12098]

they hire juniors in other countries and if they need people in US they can transfer them over really easily. I moved from Poland to US and while the big tech cut jobs in US they hired thousands of engineers in Poland. Its great talent, 3x cheaper.

[@archardor3392]

@@cafer12098 If you think the market abroad for juniors is any different, you are mistaken. Just as USA has barely any junior positions, so does the majority of Europe for example. When the dev crisis hits, it will hiy everyone.

[@CrownPab]

I graduated with a computer science degree in 2022 with actual experience in tech from internships I did during my undergraduate. Still having a hard time finding work because of the current state of the field and entry level jobs

[@JegErN0rsk]

Thats wild. Best of luck 👍

[@mako_hd]

You're not alone. I've sent over 1000 applications and I'm still unemployed.

[@Imgone251]

If you're flexible about moving and can pass a security investigation from the government, I'd take a look at some government contracting jobs. There's a lot of demand for entry level positions and they pay quite well. Depending on the area I'd say you'd make 65-100k in most entry level roles.

[@CrownPab]

@@Imgone251 Thanks I’ll look more into it. I live in Canada and we have the CSA here and I’ve applied there once before but never had any luck

[@ngndnd]

is this in the US? and what area do you recommend?@@Imgone251

[@vectoralphaSec]

Honestly i would LOVE to work as an entry level dev for $45k to $50k per year. I DONT have to make 6 figures. I just want a job dammit.

[@youshouldntdothis5747]

lol same

[@tomjones8293]

Because those people are not skilled unfortunately they are just fraudsters and impostors doing 2 week boot-camp wanting to become engineers not proper Computer science degrees from reputable universities. hope this helps

[@muriellemobou3930]

Same!

[@MyExRebirth]

My wife and I went back to college after we moved to the U.S 10 years ago. She studied Sonography associate's degree and got a job 3 months before graduation! I studied IST associate's, couldn't get a job, continued and got my BS Computer Science, still can't get a job!!! This is insane!!! I could've gone for becoming a dentist, nurse practitioner, or even a family doctor by now and earning triple amount of what a SDE earns now! Also another thing that people haven't talked about much is that wages for many other jobs have increased with inflation during years except for tech engineering jobs (non-managerial positions) !!! All these greedy tech companies are raking profits while firing employees, hiring from poor 4th world countries, and keeping wages for local employees to minimum!

[@ShewWoW]

While it's anecdotal, here's my experience. Graduated from an intensive bootcamp in March. It's been 8 months of constantly applying for me and 15 other people in my cohort. So far only a handful of interviews, and 1 person landed a job (their brother founded a startup and hired him). One of us went through 4 rounds of interviews for an "entry" level job that ended up taking a 4 year experience person instead it sucks

[@Dante02000]

You’re all came out half baked that’s why.

[@TheSoulCrisis]

It's wild how you literally have to create your own company or get hired by a family member just to start your tech career and break in!

[@MrNH718]

​@@TheSoulCrisisno you don't 'have' to do that. Bootcamp grads just aren't looked at very positively. Especially when up against someone that has real experience. Someone struggling to get hired right now is better of focusing on freelancing until the market improves

[@mrECisME]

It's called economic collapse.

[@CKincaid]

So many media creators seem to be just ignoring this current job market, thank you for addressing the issue.

[@GS-kj5pc]

I am a senior dev with 9 years of experience. When I first started I had to take a dev job for 40k a year to get my feet wet. I know its ridiculous but landing that first job is the key. I would also like to say theres entry level people at the big companies currently making more than I do now. Nothing is fair in this industry.

[@Harpie.]

This is exactly what I've heard from mentors in the field, just take the first job and get your experience. No luck yet, but it's only been about a month of hunting so far!

[@GS-kj5pc]

@Harpie. just don't give up and you will get one. In the mean time keep coding everyday.

[@Dante02000]

Post your resume skills

[@michaelwatson9089]

I would be okay to get a 40k or 30k dev job building projects compared taking 100 calls a day.

[@MrNH718]

Exactly. Half these people saying they're struggling I'd bet are applying to 6 figure roles for their first gig. The much smarter strategy right now is to just take anything that pays a liveable wage. The experience you'll be able to put on a resume is worth it and by the time things improve you'll be much more competitive. Hell, if I didn't need the money desperately I'd even work for free for a few months.

[@antieatingactivist]

I did a bootcamp in 2021 after already having several years of programming experience as a hobbyist. I tried for 2 years to get an entry level job with no luck. I got tired of debasing myself in front of pretentious tech bros and joined Upwork to find some work until the market improved. I found a decent contract a few months later, and it's been great. I'm done dealing with corporate nonsense.

[@DexterrrrX]

How’s it on upwork? How do you go about it? It’s too tough for me, react/web dev competition is insane, you probably don’t do those

[@connorjuman4322]

yeah any info on what stacks you used and what else you did to get hired? also how many jobs did you apply to

[@smile5281]

I think that’s where am gonna start from

[@alexram14]

​@@DexterrrrXSounds hard. What are good alternatives? PHP, API's perhaps

[@d3vilscry666]

Yeah now imagine getting a CS degree and still not being able to find a job. Good for you for finding something, but all of these “Do X boot camp in Y days and you’ll get a Z figure tech job” are part of the problem of why this field is so saturated.

[@neonsilver1936]

This video made me want to drive into the woods and start digging my own grave. Either I'm broken or the system is, but it still feels worse than impossible. Getting a college degree meant nothing, and now I'm worthless. I can only imagine that many people feel the same way. I genuinely cannot fathom thousands of applications in 6 months, nor can I imagine any company offering a living wage, much less 6 figures! All I can think of is how do I escape this slow decent faster.

[@laolun2278]

you're not alone, I just don't know what to blame anymore, the market or myself.

[@technodrome]

Are you guys new grads?

[@neonsilver1936]

@@technodrome I graduated a few years ago yeah

[@samuelmartinelli7730]

let’s drive into the woods and start a woodworking company 🙏 no full time job since graduating cs this last may

[@AZ-gs6hj]

Yeah, videos like these really make it hard to commit to the field. I have a year left of classes for my CS degree and I’ve been on and off about whether or not I want to finish it. I’m seeing people with far more experience and prestigious schools unable to land jobs and that just makes it seem impossible for those doing non traditional paths

[@tonys7524]

Looking at the comments makes me feel very conflicted. On the one hand, it's nice to be reminded that I'm not the only one struggling to find a job. On the other, it's overwhelming to see how much competition I have.

[@christianhall8230]

All we can do is keep trying and hope for the best lol

[@phoenixsilverman1616]

Guys it’s all bank related most software jobs are startups and those require venture capital High interest rates means nobody’s investing in tech startups Even the big boys meta, google, Amazon have been doing layoffs Until the fed starts cutting rates it’s going to be very hard to find a tech job Use this time to rack up certifications and build outstanding portfolios

[@speedracer123222]

If that’s case hopefully that’s soon. It’s so hard to get even a reply for positions with the qualifications. Entry level jobs are asking for years of experience (usually 2-4 years here) when it’s supposed to be entry level (starting off carrier). Even is hard for getting computer support technicians which should be needed like software engineers like this video talks about.

[@ragama623]

​@speedracer123222 even if they cut rates next month, it will still take 6+ months to see the effects. Job market is going to be bad for basically another year.

[@hahahuang163]

I have been waiting for the Nasdak to fall. Why it still hasn’t happened? So many people laid off less expense in the market. Or it’s just bad in the tech field?

[@jaeger1477]

I graduated from university in 21 with a CS degree and couldn’t find any entry level software engineer positions so I went the public sector route and joined government as an “IT” professional. I used my skills as a developer to really get ahead in the field. I’m currently migrating into a project manager role with a slightly under 90k salary. I understand that I may not make as much as the ludicrous top companies but full benefits and job security in this field definitely helps me sleep at night. Furthermore, it allows the ability to gain more experience with a flexibility of different projects. Remember as developers and engineers we can apply our skills to any work environment. Even if you don’t get into the exact field you can always leverage those skills to apply them to your current position and eventually use them as experience.

[@lololoololdudusoejdhdjswkk347]

May I ask how you pivoted using a CS degree? Did you do any thing in particular that you feel helped you in journey? I’m currently still in school for CS and wondering how to gain jobs like PM that may have a higher job security. Also how did you leverage your developer skills for IT and to move into PM? Sorry for the barrage of questions, still wondering about my degree in this job market

[@jaeger1477]

@@lololoololdudusoejdhdjswkk347 no worries, I know the feeling of being uncertain about a CS degree, I was there. To speak from my personal experience a lot of government applications are a lil more dated than modern tech companies. From what I’ve witnessed so far is there’s a high demand of software overhaul across multiple departments. About a few months into my career a data migration between 2 ERP systems were going on as well as a new water meter system integration. Both of these allowed me to work with various databases writing queries as a “Pseudo database manager” and then using python to fetch data to send to and from applications. A really fun one was using selenium to automate email, account setups and resets, and other IT ticket tasks. This let me work on several things at once or just kick back and relax. You just have to put yourself out there, if there’s a problem you see or project that you think your skills can be utilized go for it.

[@vectoralphaSec]

public sector government job in IT? Do you need to do a background check for those types of jobs?

[@jaeger1477]

@@vectoralphaSec Yes you do.

[@Na4Ge4]

90k project manager role is low. Here in NYC similar position employee can get at least $130k, senior can get $160k.

[@im4485]

Well, they played us like dummies. They hyped up the software engineering jobs and created big demand which followed with oversupply. Not surprising.

[@CC-ed7jr]

Yeah... plan B for me is to get into trades and then do mechanical engineering possibly. Graduated CS over a year ago, made some interviews but the job market seems bad for entry level.

[@tear728]

It's the recession bro. Companies are recession-proofing themselves right now. They anticipate it begins early next year. If a recession wasn't incoming and we were in a growth cycle rather than a decline cycle, these companies would be hiring like crazy. It might take 1 - 3 years

[@im4485]

@@tear728 makes sense

[@enescanaydn3617]

no it's not. people spend their time in instagram and youtube, no code needed anymore@@im4485

[@Jump-2-the-moon]

I did a DevOps bootcamp, got 3x certified AWS and it’s probably one of my bigger regrets I’ve made as of recently. It did not pan out into any jobs, and it cost me a lot of money and most importantly, TIME. If I could do it over again, I would never have done the boot camp and instead focused on getting better and more efficient at my current job.

[@ExistentialSadness]

What is your current job?

[@dieu5041]

Try and get a low level IT/Tech job as a Junior. You'll take a considerable paycut but with those certifications and if your portfolio is decent, you will get a job within the year. Most tech companies hire based on portfolios and from other people in tech.

[@kevinsjournal]

​@ExistentialSadness I was gonna ask the same lol

[@kairoswave]

Unfortunately DevOps isn't entry level, and certifications or degrees do not automatically qualify you for any IT roles. keep getting experience and you will land these roles soon!

[@pzpalasti]

I'm currently working as a manual SW tester (no coding involve!). If I have a some free time during the day: I code. When I go home after work: I code. During the weekend: I code. I do coding because I love coding. Sure I would love to make my passion my work. But hey... it is what it is. The tech industry is rough... but until I will be able to get my foot in the door I practice: "When Fishermen can't go to the sea, they mend their nets"

[@redpilledwarrior4367]

Love your outlook!

[@intfamous4001]

This was all by design btw, essentially people got rug pulled but not by losing money, instead by losing time/attention/effort/etc. These fields were hyped, pumped and now, dumped.

[@GeorgiaMade404]

100% Agree. Same with cybersecurity

[@stevenvillarreal8970]

Currently working at a gas station and graduated with a CS degree back in July of this year in 2023 from a large D2 college in Michigan. I have applied to roughly 150-160 jobs and have had 4 interviews since then and made it to the final round on all of them but received the same response, "Sorry, but we are looking for someone with more experience...". Mind you I have four internships under my belt as well as 2 years working in the software engineering industry. Makes absolutely no sense!

[@AdviceFromADad]

@stevenvillarreal8970 it’s a hard market right now. But I must say your ratio here is solid, which is crazy to say. I’ve always been told that you should average about 10 on-sites before an offer. 160 job apps is a good start, I would say try hitting jobs now that you value less and spend less time on each app (less then 2 mins per/ do 30-40 a day). See if you can get more interview hits. Build your confidence with less desirable roles. Then hit the higher tier jobs. You got the resume and it sounds like and the skills. Every single interview is an isolated event, so don’t let feedback totally consume you. Good work on getting a job even if it is the gas station. Put that on autopilot, clock in and clock out. Use your remaining energy to practice coding. You got this.

[@crystal14w]

As a former Senior Data Scientist, I am transitioning out of Tech because the environment is too unstable. I was affected by 2 layoffs since 2020 and I just graduated in 2019. I made a total comp of 150k and I was previously interviewing (between Aug 2022 and Jan 2023) with companies at a 180k-220k range until they had layoffs and hiring freezes. I am tired of the struggle. I need stability in my life now because I want to raise a family.

[@manny7662]

Have you considered finance tech jobs or public sector jobs?

[@Ved3sten]

Data science is a crap shoot nowadays. Something like Data Analyst is more ubiquitous. But also having Senior Data Scientist on your resume will surely lead to a management level position. The fact that you got the title of Senior Data Scientist is impressive enough

[@Brenda-ny1gw]

That's great money! What state are you working in?

[@crystal14w]

@@manny7662 I was already in FinTech, what is strange is the same week of the layoff they sent an email saying they made record breaking billion dollar profits. It was so tone deaf. The problem with the public sector is that they aren’t really focusing on big tech projects. They usually have bandage solutions because they have limited government funding. Hopefully the new AI bill will bring more research funding but for now, USA AI research is lagging behind other countries funding

[@crystal14w]

@@Ved3sten Thank you!!. Most of the time, I am overqualified for these positions 😔

[@aNotoriousPhD]

i’ve had 5 years of experience, applied to ~150 companies, 0 offers. it is so bad out there right now

[@marzoval9551]

I've spoken to multiple recruiters from various small to mid-size tech companies, and they say that every junior or entry level job role they are putting out is getting bombarded with senior level applicants, some of whom were laid off by the big FAANG exodus. Naturally they move forward with these more experienced applicants because who wouldn't want senior level skills for junior level or entry level pay? Essentially newly grads or aspiring junior applicants are screwed right now.

[@youshouldntdothis5747]

Supply exceeded the demand

[@bestieboots]

Awesome! I have a chance at a job!

[@hyper7777]

8 Years of dev / software experience. it's been 1 year of trying to land a job, hundreds of applications. Still no dice. Never seen the market like this in my life and everyone is silent about it. Currently working side jobs to pay the bills...

[@CC-ed7jr]

2022 graduate here still applying while working a side job too, wish you luck. I'm sure with 8 years of experience you'll be fine eventually

[@Justnothankyou132]

15 years of dev here and retired in my 30s two years ago. I was still getting so many recruiters and emails that I just ended up deleting LinkedIn. Was in data warehousing mainly.

[@BrandonGiordano]

Bit of advice for my fellow young coders: Its okay to start somewhere, its not a waste of time.I finished my bootcamp in may 2022. Got 1 interview since then. I was really confident in my skills and portfolio but couldnt get a damn thing. Finally by sheer luck a marketing company saw me on Indeed and offered me a job as an SEO/PPC Specialist. Basically doing Google Ads. A small portion lf the job involves doing front end web design through wordpress. Obviously i am capable of doing so much more with what I know. However if i can get marketing and front end design experience on my resume thatll help give me an additional edge in getting the job I really want

[@rocksolidxktp]

Which bootcamp did you do?

[@jackal_sniperr]

same bro same story ..... I took an udemy course for front end development and later did a 7-8 months internship in a startup, since then I didn't even get a single opportunity in web development...... I even had projects hosted to show recruiters......Then all of a sudden I saw a post for a digital marketing executive..... They hired me and I did my best to learn SEO....I also do video editing, wordpress and making minor changes in websites, Though I always dreamt of doing a development job , but I'm happy that at least I have a job to survive........

[@BrandonGiordano]

@@rocksolidxktp UCF

[@antieatingactivist]

@@BrandonGiordano That's a Trilogy bootcamp right?

[@vectoralphaSec]

How much do you make at that job?

[@jamesmichael7448]

The tech gravy train is over I think, still good paying jobs out there. But developers are over saturated and salaries will trend downward. Things like AI tools will never replace developers, but I fear will contribute to reductions of salaries. I e in my role for two years as a new developer, but struggling to get out of junior role and/or find another job. Thinking of getting out of coding entirely. Still young, still somewhat in shape so I might try to become a firefighter

[@unc1221]

What do we do man? I just started learning to code, solely for the money. This shit sucks, lol.

[@53Strat]

I started to notice it too, I work as a chemical operator in a factory since november. New job, good pay. Almost as much as a medior C# software developer in finance but in terms of study I did only a fraction of what you have to learn as said developer. I wanted to chase a career but looking at the latest trends, I will continue coding but to implement my own idea's. Maybe make a project that can make me some money. Looking at how things develop pursueing a career seems like the worst idea when having coding knowledge.

[@jamesmichael7448]

@@unc1221 lol, yeah tbh if you code solely for the money it might not be for you. I’m sort of in the same boat. Possible you get lucky, but everyone I know who is successful in this field really does have a passion for it and live and breathe it almost. I have an interest in coding, but not a passion, and dedicating the time it takes to become really good would not make me happy. Some are able to fake it till they make it, but they are rare and usually found out at some point. Unless you really enjoy it, I would not recommend. The amount of work to payoff is becoming less and less.

[@karonbrown7321]

Computers jobs will keep growing don’t worry just keep learning your in the right field.

[@volneypowlis8527]

Coming from the music industry to tech. Id say it feels less competitive for way better pay. Id take this situation any day

[@crystalrollspace]

The job market is getting better, the problem that we are currently facing is bout skills. People from boot camp are thinking that after spending 6 months of react and node.js training they are going to get a job with 120k a yearly salary. people are not getting ready before applying

[@JonathanTheZombie]

Exactly. They don’t realize they are basically the software equivalent of fry cooks.

[@nathansabin2545]

Sure a small number of people do that but they burn out pretty quick, plenty of people having difficulty with degrees, and or 3+ years practice that would be willing to take 45000-50000 out of love for creating.

[@EriCKtheGeneric]

as a Computer Science major graduating with my Bachelor’s next spring, this news is not easy to take.

[@milancodes]

I have applied to hundreds of jobs, perhaps over a thousand, in the last 9 months. I have not even had so much as a callback, no interview offers, no take home assessments, nothing. I have been out of work for almost a year and I have a family to support. 5 years of experience is getting me NOWHERE right now except further in debt. =/

[@yonassamuel4082]

hope you find something soon!

[@ruslan_yefimov]

Look, it took me 2 weeks to get about 10 interviews and quickly land a good job in London 3 months ago, whilst I've already spent 1.5 months in Toronto and so far there's only been 1 interview. ONE. INTERVIEW. I'm just coming back to UK at this point. This shit is crazy :)

[@marianatorres1035]

why did you move from london to toronto???

[@youshouldntdothis5747]

But salary is way different than UK

[@TheAniki94]

Seems like Europe and UK have less a hard time for any level of tech jobs. If you don't mind, what kind of SE are you ? Or if you're not a SE in what field are you working now? 😊 Thanks buddy 🙂

[@AsianVideoGamer]

There's really small amount of entry level jobs and those usually are reserved for interns that are returning. Gotta go try start ups and roll the dice

[@DimitriNakos]

I work for a non tech company in a tech role. It's legit because they think everything you do is magic. :)

[@leaalbano8105]

What tech role?

[@TehGettinq]

It's definitely super hard right now. My girlfriend has a math bachelor from a private uni with perfect grades and a masters in CS from a very reputable uni with an almost perfect GPA and very relevant deeply technical internships in gov research institutions + she published 2 papers in reputable scientific journals. Took her 6 months to get her first offer as a data scientist. On the flip side the "software engineering" realm is very special, you have people with phds and 20 years of experience and people with a high school diplomas that are out of bootcamp and they can both be considered "software engineers". Making websites is trivial: solving deep technical problems is not.

[@wh.n]

Everyone likes to call themselves software engineers. At least that's what bootcamp taught me, i never like that idea though. They taught us to call ourselves software engineer, but all I see is web development. Imagine being called a developer or a coder or a programmer these days.

[@TehGettinq]

@@wh.n software engineers that can't tell you how softwares work and are not engineers. Two for the price of none.

[@rookim1271]

This is so stupid comment. Your assumption that web dev is nothing but simple, already tells how narrow sight and small information you’ve got about the field. Oh yeah, compared to data ‘scientist’ maybe they need more degrees and study because of the math and the personality of the field same as machine learning. And if you think that you gf took some time to land on a job is because of those ‘fake engineers’, you are totally wrong. They just have much smaller positions opening(i don’t think you need 100 of data scientists to work on sth) but higher salaries. And I bet other competitions would gained similar level of study and experiences as you gf since it is kind of minimum requirement of the field tbh. It is more of a ‘study’! Same that you don’t get more job offer because you studied master, doctor degree about history…lol It is more like there are no proper terms calling them but software engineers yet since there are new and young professions still coming up, and it is easier call them engineers and then categorize them by computer language they use later. (Honestly I bet people outside of tech industry wouldn’t know what is going on even, and it is headache for them to care bout all the different labels to put on) not because bootcamp newbies are equal as ‘20 yrs experiences phd holders’, and actually you can just call ‘web developer’ and i think you are being confused with the line between ‘web designer’. Thesedays web designers also should know basic html/css and maybe a bit of javascript. But in the world of full stack web dev is not that easy and simple, just they don’t need those big chubby CS or math degree. It is a bit shame to see people who feel superior about being called ‘engineer’. Like c++ is superior than javascript? So it means if you use c++ well enough, JS mastering is a piece of cake? And what, Java VS Ruby which one is superior and more difficult? This is just pathetic to even think about if you at least have slight of sight about IT industy…. So, in the field of real mechanical engineering, or anything else like interior designer, ya’ll call them different by their degree or experience level?🤣didn’t know that!

[@rookim1271]

And I wonder how you feel about being dragged down for being software engineers are not ‘real engineers’ by those mechanical engineers. And then see, it happens even in same field. It is hard to understand why people wanna taste a bit of superiority than just a person sitting next to you, maybe it gets stronger when they are being insecure inside :(

[@TehGettinq]

@@rookim1271 im personally not a software engineer since i dont have an engineering degree.

[@wojciechsobiesiak]

Since GPT was introduced what took mi 2 weeks time now I do in 2 hours. One project after another, new self-made tools will make this progress even bigger.

[@cyeaswtanl]

and your candidacy more obsolete lol

[@Jump-2-the-moon]

I honestly think the AI revolution is why finding jobs are so much harder in SWE. And I think it will only continue to get more difficult as a result.

[@cyeaswtanl]

@@Jump-2-the-moon yes GPT can do in ten seconds what entry level coders would do in ten hours. This is revolutionary change for the SW job market

[@wojciechsobiesiak]

@@Jump-2-the-moon People with hard skills (C programming) will stay in "the game" no matter what happens I suppose. Those bilions of if's still are the upgraded version of google. Nothing more.

[@yojou3695]

​@@Jump-2-the-moonwell you are wrong. It's all interest rates and consequences of overhiring

[@marktellez3701]

i broke into this industry with no high school diploma and no college education in the late 90s. You can do it today as an entry-level developer the same way I did back then. PROVIDE VALUE and do your interview more like a magician than a developer. Learn how to be flashy. Make AI your bitch - show that you can solve any problem using it. They will hire you. You might heat 20 "no"s before you hear a single yes, but it's a numbers game. You WILL eventually win if you don't puss out and quit.

[@workshop4224]

I've been a Sr back end engineer for 6 years got laid off in Jan, took me about 8 months to find another roll around the same rate. Only got current gig because I knew people at the company. Coming from big tech.

[@Dusta_Rhymes]

Valve?

[@martynoza]

i've applied to 2,000+ jobs after finishing a bootcamp and 2 unpaid internships and still nothing, and when i say nothing i mean not even a rejection letter. im struggling to keep the lights on with my current job in construction and i really don't know what to do anymore, i'm scared to keep investing my time and money into my "tech career" path its truly making me feel hopeless.

[@martinlutherkingjr.5582]

Which boot camp and how much work did you do before/after boot camp?

[@shafialanower3820]

Don’t join bootcamps that don’t have connections to companies or help you setup interviews

[@dan-cj1rr]

Harsh truth is that school is the way to go, if i had to hire dev, that paper is worth something compared to bootcamp.

[@martynoza]

@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 I went to UNLV and did an unpaid internship at WozU

[@drew9073]

Dude don’t follow the hype. Nursing there’s always opening big pay too

[@Sunil_Chandurkar]

I am an experienced Web Developer. I am not getting any response to my job applications. This is worse than when I had zero experience.

[@randomly2888]

because web dev sucks do some backend or machine learning or fin tech web dev is something a 5 year old can do

[@anthonysalgado-nava3715]

Saying the hire rate is at 5% so the market is good… that actually sounds horrible

[@anon3118]

It’s too competitive for me to really take seriously but I do enjoy coding in my free time every now and then.

[@tether23]

So happy to see I am not alone in my struggle to break into tech after completing a CS degree. Best of luck to everyone

[@TheKaratejesus]

Hey man, my experience was a little different (UX vs CS) but I spent almost 2 years looking for a job in my field after graduating into the covid pandemic. It's fucking hard, but you will eventually make it! Please don't give up and know that while it's going to be difficult, if I can do it you can too. Best of luck to you in your job search. First one is always the hardest.

[@lmaostrnoob]

You have to play the numbers game in this job market, apply to everywhere and become detached to the outcome. You’ll land a job with time. But this is a lesson that the next job you guys get, make sure you’re saving the majority of your income for unexpected incidents of layoffs for months and also pick up a second stream of income

[@nicholasmejia7972]

100% this, can't stress it enough - I lost my job of 5 years where I was making 135K about 6 months ago, never thought I would be with no source of income. I burned through what little I had saved and unemployment barely kept me afloat, constantly kicking myself for not having put the majority of it away. It should have been a comfortable 6 month hiatus where I could focus on upping my game; instead I was scrounging to pay bills and was extremely stressed. Put that money away people and be ready to tighten your belt when you need to.

[@lmaostrnoob]

@@nicholasmejia7972 Yeah it’s so important to assume you can be fired anyway and to prepare accordingly

[@diegocarreno1304]

I can’t even get a call back for anything tech related. It was so much easier getting a job just 2 years ago. Fortunately, I do have a plan B, which is becoming an owner operator truck driver. I’ll do that while learning tech on the side until the market gets better again.

[@GeorgiaMade404]

Trucking is a dying oversaturated industry. Don’t set yourself up to get in debt, the ROI is not worth it. Most guys I know in trucking are trying to get out.

[@daniels3401]

This industry disgusts me how people are filling out 5000 applications (and im totally one of these) and it will not stop. We are enabling them to do this to us all and it is only going to get worse.

[@hamm8934]

This is how basically every other industry has been for years.

[@backflipsaresweet]

This is exactly what happened to me and my classmates in chemical engineering. Now I'm considering making a transition to software engineering but I'm second guessing that too after seeing these comments.

[@wondays654]

I graduated in May of this year. 2000+ applications down and still no job. I did great in school and everything. I barely get any calls back.

[@cirjeex6412]

That’s insane! What did you specialize in? Mobile or web dev?

[@wondays654]

@@cirjeex6412 I went to college BS in Software Engineering. I applied to both web dev and mobile roles. No offer yet.

[@yafetsolomon2107]

jesus

[@mako_hd]

I graduated in May of this year as well. I did great in school too. I'm in the same boat.

[@wondays654]

@@mako_hdmakes me feel like an imposter. I hope the job market gets better because those loans gonna soon start needing payment.

[@SeRoShadow]

Imo there are multiple factors that drive the senior demand high: - Seniors working on one of multiple Junior positions as side job. Companies often turn a blind eye to it since they mostly care for immediate gains. - Lack of Internships or Entry level positions. Companies dont want new players to even try. - Exagerating the Job descriptions with High skill ceiling. Found jobs that req 5-10yrs work exp and a bullet list for an entry position. In short, the tendancy is to focus on immediate gains and discard everything else. These "over-exploiting" habits often lead to shortages and extinction of various things on Earth. Guess Senior Devs are next.

[@sotasearcher]

It’s refreshing to hear your take on pushing through and dealing with rejection now. Applying to jobs when still feeling inadequate from rejection feels like being stuck in a bar while you’re smelly and dirty, but you can’t leave without a girl, so you’re expected to- it’s your responsibility to talk to and get rejected by each one in there until you succeed.

[@itsthedoublehue]

that’s the wildest but most accurate analogy i’ve heard in a hot minute. best of luck in your search sota, i completely get it chief!

[@Dante02000]

Every tried picking up bitches in the gym? They don’t mind your funk.

[@urip_zukoharjo]

Overpopulation doesn't only create problem with overconsumption but also saturated workforce

[@darienford860]

Yea and now those "entry level" positions want you to have 3-5 years experience. Everyone uses the wishlist excuse, ok fone then dont put "(required)" next to the experience section. It just encourages more people to lie about their experience in desperation

[@drew9073]

They have right to demand because there’s a pool of software dev out there. You can lie on experience it they will still going to figure it out by background check

[@kelechin.1977]

@@drew9073lol no they won’t. Background checks are usually criminal. Plenty of ppl lie on their resumes because of you don’t youu wont even get an interview and have a chance to explain yourself

[@NomDayPloom]

Y'all are smart. Start looking into the Worker's Cooperative model. You get to be both boss and developer, and you get to decide what happens with the profits.

[@jaymartinez311]

the article is very incorrect. Tech is a mess and i’m just gonna build a company myself at this point. I’m tired of people that aren’t dealing with this mess telling people how to get a job. Forget the the $100k jobs. Even $60k jobs for entry level is a mess 😂

[@cullenmcneice1779]

Hey man, I have the same outlook I'm due to graduate in december, I'm not going to beg for a company to offer me money I'm just going to skip the middleman. Want to keep in contact?

[@Anthony-cr5wv]

Don't stop coding y'all! Don't forget to use recruiters and social media to your advantage.

[@Supervhizor]

To the people who did "bootcamps" expecting it to be taken seriously, im sorry you got played. Me and everyone else I know throw out bootcamps on resumes when we're hiring, you have a degree from a known good uni or you have nothing and your past experience / portfolio needs to stand on its own.

[@ddsessions]

Transitioning into tech is so hard, and the application process for devs seems completely broken. It’s absurd to have to cold apply to thousands of jobs to get one offer. I recently completed my associates in computer science so obviously I still have A LOT to learn, but this market makes me really nervous.

[@DonovanGG__]

Dude, I hate to break it to you but they’re not hiring someone with an associates. You need to attend a 4 year college of engineering.

[@OsundareToheeb]

@@DonovanGG__ and what about someone with a 2 year master degree in comp science but undergrad is in different field

[@uncertifiedprofessional]

@@DonovanGG__that is absolute bullcrap. I personally know several people in industry with 4 year degrees who have coworkers that don’t have any degree, or have a non STEM degree, or have a 2 year STEM degree. All of them learned how to code, either self taught or Bootcamp, and made projects and then gained experience on the job by getting entry level roles. The trick is to make something useful to the real world that demonstrates your competence. And then explain it in an interview.

[@GTaichou]

@@DonovanGG__ Not true. I'm nearing the end of my associate degree and I have several classmates that already have job offers. I live in an area where work is primarily around manufacturing. Definitely keep an eye on the small- and mid-size companies that are not traditional tech. If your portfolio is good and you interview well there is hope.

[@ojaya15966]

I feel bad for my brother, he's been having such a hard time in the Bay Area.

[@ronaldpang16]

In addition to all that too, it is much more challenging for individuals looking for entry-level openings where they need OPT/H1B and green card sponsorships. That adds to the layer of the already difficult job search that everyone else is going through since you have to stand-out and be justifiable towards why they should hire you and not someone who is local/citizen of the country.

[@javieralvarado5138]

Hey man thank you for this video. I'm recently finishing bootcamp and still have a lot to learn still but feel a lot more encouraged now to keep grinding it out

[@AdviceFromADad]

@javieralvarado5138 Thank you for the support. Yes, keep grinding it out. Its an uphill battle but one that can and will payoff big. You can do it remember with the job search nothing is preventing you from being creative/breaking the norms of HOW to apply to jobs.

[@ndurocher85]

It took me 11 years to get my first entry level. I did 2 years which was a waste of my time until i got terminated which was a blessing. It's been more than 6 months applying. I got some interviews. I completed some coding assessments and did extremely well but still no offers.

[@heyaisdabomb]

This is the state I feel most of us are in. They say less than 2% unemployeed, but what is that based on, people who are collecting unemployeement? The reality is most people never get their first job. I'm still in that boat, having graduate with a BS in CS in 2018 in San Francisco. Right in them idle of it all, but it doesn't matter. The competition is insane. Still have yet to find my first job, despite having been coding and learning programming for 17 years at this point.

[@ndurocher85]

@@heyaisdabomb it's sad because we work so hard to get that job. It's insane too because now they want people with 3-5 years experience for an entry level position. I have some much rejections I can't even count. I am joking sometimes about building a program to count my rejections in my email lol.

[@kolyxix]

@@heyaisdabomb Wow, thats painful. They make it sound like once you have a computer science degree you are all set for life.

[@eTANG0]

@@heyaisdabomb i'm curious what your journey has been like since you graduated in 2018? what did you do directly after graduating if you don't mind me asking

[@ngndnd]

man i shouldve just stuck to nursing. At least i would be miserable AND have a job inatead of being miserable and broke. I only changed my major because everyone kept talking about how amazing the job market was for cs majors@@kolyxix

[@the_derpler]

Here in SF I notice my friends starting to feel comfortable enough to look around for new gigs. So that is nice. I mostly just work at a job I don't necessarily love 100% due to a tech stack I don't think is that amazing, but people are nice, its 100% remote and I really really hate grinding leetcode hah.

[@CodyBell-vf8se]

In the current market it’s about making connections with people more than the knowledge you have. The jobs are slim so they are given to someone that has a referral before that job ever gets put on a job board. Even if they might not be the best fit. Network, network, network! And reach out to people at the company before applying. Yes it’s more work but aren’t you trying to find work? And do you want to show how much you really want it?

[@antieatingactivist]

Yeah, networking is really the only way to get in these days.

[@raggedflaggon9566]

I mean, I graduated in march and applied like a mad man. 5 months later somehow got 2 offers with decent pay. But yeah, it was very difficult and hyper depressing. I did do very well in school, maybe that helped.

[@rubyciide5542]

Same here except i didn't get any offers

[@shipaoishi]

Congrats, man! Out of curiosity, did you have any internship experience?

[@soliditize845]

I finished my boot camp in March and it’s been extremely difficult to get a single interview. I’ve probably applied to like 100-200 jobs and 0 responses. I probably haven’t applied to anything in the last two months because I got a bit discouraged. The boot camp instructors kept preaching “That it’s goin to take a lot of time to even score an interview”. It’s for sure been a really hard and stressful because I gave up a really good job to attend the boot camp.

[@kozyk5927]

I've been debating doing a bootcamp. Would you say your experience was worth ti? Good luck on the job search btw.

[@melissavaiden5536]

I’m in almost the same exact boat, graduated bootcamp in May and over 200+ applications and had one interview. During the hiring process for that job they had layoffs and axed the position. It’s rough out here

[@melissavaiden5536]

@@kozyk5927honestly I personally needed the structure but the cost of my bootcamp was steep. My payment is almost $700 a month for the loan I took out and haven’t gotten any job prospects so my view might be a little clouded but as of right now I say learn as much as you can with free resources and maybe see where the market is in a year or so before committing to the bootcamp

[@soliditize845]

Thanks bro.. The experience was good. Like it really just depends on you since I think pricing went up( Mine was 11k think its higher now). If you're younger and you want to go into that career and it wont affect your life then go for it. If you're older than it may be different since you got more responsibilities( Mortgage, Kids maybe, etc.. ). Best of Luck tho @@kozyk5927

[@squid6487]

@@kozyk5927 tbh I would go for the degree, it makes your more employable to many companies. Sure you might not need it, but that really only applies to like the best self taught/bootcamp programmers. in my opinion

[@OakQueso]

I just started working as an actuary and am very tempted to try and switch the SWE because of the greater opportunities, but videos like this make me realize it's probably not worth the risk. Need to realize it's probably not worth giving up a high paying, safe career, even if the SWE work is potentially more interesting and higher earning. I'll settle for now

[@Wilkins325]

You can still learn to code and do fun projects on the side, some of which could be potential money makers.

[@OakQueso]

@@tonyp314 if actuaries are in danger of being replaced by AI, then all accounting/finance/analyst/data science/etc. jobs are in danger of being replaced by AI. Hell, if we get to that point, then any job that requires an education is in danger of at LEAST layoffs. We don't even know what the world will look like when we get there, so no point in making a career decision off of it.

[@moses.muchemi]

Be ready to accept lower pay.. and climb from there.. everyone is specializingbin JS/Python forgetting the others Ruby, Cpp, Java, PHP and so on

[@EOMMunaware]

Reason why y’all ain’t getting jobs is because of this bootcamp BS. Employers would rather hire CS major than bootcamp because they went thru hell and so much critical thinking they’re more reliable. Linear algebra, calculus 1-3, physics, compatibility, data structures and algorthims( at university level), discrete math, operating systems etc… these courses require so much more work then bootcamp. As an employer, CS degree over bootcamp anyday. The gap is so huge, it shows during interviews.

[@carnivorous_vegan]

Wrong. Im a CS major, graduated Summa Cum Laude. Still cant land a job. You need to be more skill-based. I became good at many languages/skills, but not a master in any of them.

[@vaibhavthalanki7320]

@@carnivorous_veganare you an international? whats the situation with your class peers?

[@HCforLife1]

The real drop wasn't 50%. It is actually a lot higher. In my area the number of listings is 15% of what it was year ago. The drop is close to 80-90%. Especially considering that half of junior hiring employ layed-off people with 1-3 years of experience

[@rayc3103]

My advice to you all is to do freelance websites at a quarter of the rate just to survive. If you have that means to, do it nearly for free. It’s much better than being jobless. At the same time, you’ll gain work experience. When I first finished bootcamp, I got 2 freelance jobs that paid only $500 for custom coded websites. Finding a job became so much easier after that. If you aren’t willing to take the hit, you will be jobless for years.

[@Maryam-qg5hy]

where did you do freelance websites, fiver/upwork? also can i dm u i have some questions about freelancing

[@rayc3103]

@@Maryam-qg5hyformer coworker who started his own business. He then gave me a referral to another business owner

[@adamromero]

I have 8 years of work experience as a Front End Dev with some Full Stack experience as well. Been out of work since May, been sending out applications for months with only one recruiter interview that went nowhere after that. Feeling pretty defeated right now.

[@Sunil_Chandurkar]

Same situation here. Recruiters used to call me even when I had zero experience.

[@edgarbenjoseph3879]

Don’t lose hope and keep doing projects 🙏🙏🙏

[@53Strat]

where are you from?

[@depression_plusplus6120]

I've already lost hope anyways...will try in other domains! 5000 application is not fictional...I myself did more than 2000 in a span of 6 months

[@natminame3092]

I literally just got my first job as a programmer today. It's rough out there. It felt like I was sinking underwater while slowly drowning in debt

[@SwolHumanist]

What is your training?

[@hamm8934]

SPECIALIZE. And look outside of Ad tech. I work in bio/chem-tech and weve been hiring consistently, even with the silicon bank collapses. I have engineer friends in fin tech and they have similar stories. Maybe my anecdotal experience is wrong, but it really seems to me that ad tech is really where this race to the bottom is happening, not so much in fields which expect domain knowledge outside of just software development.

[@Maryam-qg5hy]

can you elaborate biochem tech? i am a biochem graduate who's been learning programming on the side for about a year now

[@hamm8934]

@@Maryam-qg5hy I work for a company that makes applications for biologists and chemists. Our primary applications are our chemical sketcher, 3D chemical modeler, electronic lab notebook, inventory system, gene sequence tool, and a few others. Our industry (mostly) isnt a bubble of investment rounds where companies arent even profitable but getting outlandish evaluations like ad tech, i.e. FANG-like companies. Our value is tangible and not dependent on advertisers. Like I said, I really think this engineer doomsday people are talking about is less about software development and more industry specific to the type of software jobs people are looking to get. Yeah, learning web dev isnt hard. Why would one expect to not have a boat load of competition getting a job? A specialized industry like biotech is not just knowing web dev, but also domain specific knowledge to the field like gene sequencing. As such, this is more in demand and secure. I think the current state of software dev employment was a much needed correction. Far too many devs have been over sold on what value they can actually provide a company. Knowing how to code has never been enough. Its only that before silicon valley had a cute little bubble in the highest bull market we’ve ever seen.

[@StarlynsAgency]

I have 20 years experience and cant find a job. been told by recruiters that AI systems wont accept my resume of I dont fill it with the right keywords.

[@bradleypeterson7255]

Do you know if formatting is a key component of the automated systems or did they only mention keywords?

[@skyhappy]

What tech stack have you worked with

[@kdu5016]

8 Months later after this video was posted, its the same if not worse! I graduated this spring in 2024 with a BS in Computer Science. I have IT experience from a job I had during school but no SWE experience other than projects from courses. I have obtained now 2 certifications (1 in full stack development and 1 in AWS) since graduating and have applied to 400-500 jobs with not a SINGLE Interview. I haven't event heard back from 60% of them. I'm starting to wish I took the Business Major route instead of CS...

[@mattwest4083]

I think the job market will get better, it will probably correlate with interest rates. Could be another year or two but I also think we are still really only at the very beginning of what is possible with web technology especially, but other sectors as well.

[@denniszenanywhere]

What do you think of AI disrupting coding jobs, making it more difficult to get in. At least I know 3 big KZbinr programmers have lost their jobs.

[@naughtiousmaximus7853]

​@@denniszenanywhereNot happening. Thats not en masse or real thing. Beware that youtubers can lie to produce more content.

[@ryanqway8560]

Its mainly because of interest rates like he said. As they continue to rise, more and more layoffs. @@denniszenanywhere

[@denniszenanywhere]

@@naughtiousmaximus7853 So you're saying they lied that they lost their jobs. Wow, that's a new thing.

[@StayedZues584]

@@naughtiousmaximus7853why do u think that bro? Im trying to understand

[@troyknights3342]

This is clearly a case of this industry choosing comfort over innovation. Even more then not going to bootcamps or whatever people are talking about, large companies have made people too comfortable and everyone wants to join a company instead of start one. Instead of sending out 5k resumes, make your own profitable projects.

[@rayc3103]

You’re totally right. However, I think people are applying as opposed to starting new ventures because savings have dried up and they need cash now.

[@Vintageknight1]

Thanks for giving me hope. I’ve always wanted todo this but it looked like I missed it. But hearing others you just gotta grind

[@AdviceFromADad]

I appreciate this. Yes let’s keep on working, you arnt alone on this

[@DalisYn]

I did a Bootcamp in 2020 got my first job 4 months later.. 9 months after that I landed my second job at the company I’m currently at now. It definitely takes a lot of hard work and hours that I was able to put in after uni thanks to my mom

[@jonasbaine3538]

mern stack?

[@DalisYn]

@@jonasbaine3538 yes

[@DalisYn]

@@jonasbaine3538 also learned c# and sql too though

[@AriiDev]

the tech job market is oversaturated, because IT is one of the easiest jobs to get into in terms of knowledge (can literally do a 6 month bootcamp) as opposed to other professions then more people will flock to it, big companies also know this, that is why google / microsoft offer alot of learning material so that unskilled workers turn into skilled but without a degree they can have an excuse to pay less. Also with the insane amount of automation and role consolidation (software engineers are literally also infrastructure engineers with cloud based platforms) then it takes 1 developer to do the job of what it took 3 five years ago.

[@genx7006]

Python in particular got oversaturated. Python developers are a dime a dozen these days. You will hear employers say, "Oh, another Python programmer." They are so common at this point that it is very difficult to stand out in the field.

[@genx7006]

@@lykkos290 The sad thing is, many businesses need developers badly, but they refuse to hire entry level people and train them. This is so stupid and puts massive pressure on the small group of developers they have on staff.

[@dang7716]

It's oversaturated with bootcamp graduates. Not so much experienced developers with professional experience.

[@genx7006]

@dang7716 Bootcamp graduates. What does that even mean? Is that like an online certificate? If an employer sees that on a resume, that is just going to piss them off. They are going to turn up the grill factor to 1000% and broil that candidate during the technical segment. I would highly advise you get actual work experience over some meaningless bootcamp certificate.

[@Omegeddon]

​@@genx7006"Just get a job lol" I'm sure they haven't considered that

[@smoofwah3552]

I walked into a entry level sde position, sadly i had to take a leave due to health reasons. I don't think I could handle 2500 applications. I like the old 1 application, 1 interview, yay I got the job path :/

[@sliightdriizzle6011]

I got laid off in january and still struggle to even get a rejection email. Ghosted by like 98% of the jobs

[@MilesTheFox44]

Ngl hearing all this kinda makes me just want to quit trying to learn coding or anything. If its that difficult just for entry level, and its only getting harder. Unless I wait who knows how long. The only hope seems to be waiting until all the senior devs retire and companies are forced to hire juniors again.

[@dieu5041]

If you are good, you'll get a job. Most people applying have degrees, bootcamps and probably a basic portfolio but don't actually know how to code and are hoping to just get into a position where they can learn on the job. There are people who build apps and websites, leave their info on it and get headhunted for positions. Also, you have a better chance getting a job in the tech industry if you are in the IT field. Even if it's lower level like help desk or IT Engineer.

[@antieatingactivist]

You just have to be able to cut through the noise. Learn, get good at it, you'll find something eventually.

[@Tythecodeguy]

@@dieu5041yeah… people with degrees definitely know how to code. I don’t know why we keep believing this notion that they can’t

[@GeorgiaMade404]

IMO this is the beginning of the end for software engineering. In the next 5-10 years coding will be automated by AI. However, this will bring other opportunities. How will those opportunities look, who knows!

[@bryanfeliciano595]

I just left software engineering entirely and started my bachelor's in electrical engineering and mechatronics. It seems like the market is more stable and less stress. Not saying you should give up on software but maybe add some more tools to your belt just in case

[@Agustin-jo8mv]

This was an interesting video. Thank you for the information and that kind of thing. 👌

[@PostMeridianLyf]

Hr teams are being replaced with AI. I don't think we even have a chance anymore

[@antieatingactivist]

HR has nothing to do with software development. AI has a very long way to go before it makes devs obsolete.

[@christophermorris1205]

Absolutely-get your sec+ as an admin requirement and hop in the gov contractor space. If your dependable/decent you’ll get a clearance sponsor and that’s where the money comes in and job availability.

[@kingcapital1990]

Hey just for clarification are you referring to the CompTIA sec+ cert??

[@christophermorris1205]

@@kingcapital1990 Yes

[@AE-bm4no]

they are@@kingcapital1990

[@SportProgramming]

In other notes it has never been better to start a side-hustle or startup and get skilled people

[@tomjones8293]

those people are not skilled unfortunately they are just fraudsters and impostors doing 2 week boot-camp wanting to become engineers not proper Computer science degrees from reputable universities. hope this helps

[@TKOTokyo]

"You land in retail and you work a mid-level job and then two years down the line when you're looking for a new job and you come back to tech you come back to Google, they'll level you down naturally anyways." Can someone explain what this means? This is such esoteric jargon, I really have no idea what this means. Can someone explain this in non-SF language? What does retail mean? Like go work at the mall? Certainly that isnt what he means. What is "level you down?"

[@threeone6012]

Stack Overflow just laid off 28%.

[@TheStrategist314]

Another tip..work on the soft skills. Get your code tight but figure out that difference maker.

[@redhawk3385]

Graduated college in spring, and been doing side projects to boost my github. Can't find anything and starting a warehouse job on tuesday.

[@CC-ed7jr]

2022 grad here, still working in a warehouse, I'm in Europe though and been slacking on the side projects tbh. Hard while holding a full time job.

[@sprightly106]

Hi @AdviceFromADad I'm new here, so I don't know where to ask you questions... My question is, for tier 1 tech companies, should I enter in at a lower level than senior? Context: I'm a self-taught dev with 10 years of experience. I rose up through ranks with some inflated sounding titles in a small tech startup (Principal SWE, Director of Engineering w/ 3 direct reports max lol). I got laid off while working on a non-profit-center project (internal tools), post-acquisition by another startup. I've never done leetcode or those kinds of interviews, nor system design. Honestly, I'll need to study these for months to be interview-ready IMO. Thx

[@jaydawgmac88]

The big tech companies hired tens of thousands of people during the Covid run-up from 2020-2022 and then fired basically fired same number of people in 2023. So there’s a lot of high caliber applicants in the talent pool right now. It should smooth over assuming economic conditions hold.

[@xxxxMonkeyGirlxxxx]

My company is offshoring software engineer jobs. There is a project I am a part of from the business side and one of the VPs had a meeting with us and said they were offshoring the team that was working on the software we are currently developing at the end of the year to India because they can hire 2 Indian software engineer workers for the price of 1 US software engineer worker. They are now in the process of hiring 60 Indian software engineers.

[@GalicianStrongman]

Same boat. I graduated 6 months ago and have stayed on as an intern at a global corporation since summer 2022. Pretty much all the US workers just got laid off last week because they moved software engineering to India to save money. I was supposed to get a full-time offer that my bosses really wanted me to have but corporate shut it down despite that fact that I have been treated like a full-time employee for the past year and a half. Now I'm still in intern limbo looking for a real job with a fair wage and benefits.

[@xxxxMonkeyGirlxxxx]

@@GalicianStrongman I think it’s going to get to the point where software engineers become a $60k a year job in order to compete with workers overseas who will do the same for less money otherwise it will go the same way of manufacturing in that all those jobs got sent overseas and now 30 years later we are only seeing some corrections with that industry. A lot of people I know on the software side love to work from home but sadly working from home is now a dog whistle for I can hire a remote worker from overseas for cheaper.

[@majesticglue9100]

@@xxxxMonkeyGirlxxxx nothing to worry about. Offshoring has happened in hype cycle markets. And it happens for various crappy reasons not related to this job market. For instance, new ceo comes in, needs to get stock price up, so they announce they'll "save money" by cutting employee costs, so they hire offshored devs. The impact of this is not felt until way later on, most likely when that ceo is long gone and got his bonus while the company is sinking in not delivering a valuable product. Terrible but has happened ALL the time. you do not need to worry. As someone who has seen this happen, offshore developers fall short for MANY reasons including communication and culture otherwise developer salaries would have lost a lot of money already.

[@JD-vj4go]

I'm seeing the same. In US we have a hiring freeze and massive layoffs but we're growing in India. Last two big projects the company undertook had no US workers other than a couple project managers.

[@playfriends-f6m]

The bad thing about offshoring your engineers is that when those offshore teams leave, and you have a legacy codebase, good luck trying to get anyone to understand it. Majority of the time, offshore projects that are given to our team are re-written due to the poor nature of the code and inability to actually perform the functional requirements. So yes, you get 2 "engineers" for the price of one but you better hope they are decent enough to follow the development cycle and no write something just for the money. Best of luck to your company!

[@base7]

This was very insightful thank you!

[@stanleychukwu7424]

wow, first time accross this channel, looked at your other videos.. subscribed!

[@AdviceFromADad]

@stanleychukwu7424 i appreciate the support!