Curse of the Thunderbird Photograph

[@HammersonPeters]

You can get yourself a copy of Kevin's book here: For Americans: www.amazon.com/Anthology-American-Strangeness-Vol-Thunderbirds/dp/B0DJXPYXZG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1CTPENO5DBP9K&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.VcWYMKaJFHOqpjtZh50QyfnCQvzbI75nGZ6YumEDbX9Kn_NVWal5qugWPRML3Jtv.LLbJQnSgKZ-YihdXjb2voKtae_md4B2V3OM-QGICrTM&dib_tag=se&keywords=kevin+guhl&qid=1729569120&sprefix=kevin+guhl%2Caps%2C172&sr=8-1 For Canadians: www.amazon.ca/Anthology-American-Strangeness-Vol-Thunderbirds/dp/B0DJXPYXZG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=33E6S5QIRSW34&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.HWyUg-VtOYh6NR5W4WMNiihX4Dgzzhh9rgmCudS53Bw.rru5sxGGlWjiddtAOeqbl07MfwpAJEAKs1SS5Tlqt6c&dib_tag=se&keywords=kevin+guhl&qid=1729569172&sprefix=kevin+guhl%2Caps%2C145&sr=8-1

[@ohboyidolovemappingonmymac]

I heavily implore you to make a follow-up post for everyone to know that this photo is readily accessible 2:30 into ScareTheater’s video about the Thunderbird from 8 years ago!

[@gaz8891]

@@ohboyidolovemappingonmymac Thanks, I just checked it. The video title is "Cryptids -Thunderbird." Yes, there is a photo of an enormous black condor bird spread out on a wall. But the 15 men standing in front are drummers; they don't have their arms stretched out as the mystery photo is supposedly meant to have. The quality is very poor. Perhaps this is the original photo, but people have confused the details ? Or is there another photo ? People have also said that there is a museum reconstruction of Argentavis magnificens, a supposedly extinct bird with a 7m wingspan (which I think is the thunderbird). At 2.06 there's a also photo of a pterodactyl that has been shot down by hunters and is lying on the ground with one man resting his foot on its head. So there's at least one photo of an outstretched black thunderbird, and at least 3 photos of pterodactyls (though one is supposedly a reconstruction - the one with bat wings, ie. with several 'fingers').

[@gaz8891]

Okay, the museum reconstruction photo of Argentavis magificens can be seen on the video "Top 5 LARGEST Birds in History." So maybe you're right and the old photo on the Scaretheater video is indeed the missing real thunderbird photo ?

[@gaz8891]

On further thoughts, I've listened to the details of the missing photo at the end of this video, and the photo at 2.30 on the ScareTheater site really DOESN'T match up at all well. The missing photo is described as having only 6 men standing in front (the ScareTheater photo has 15), and they are famers/labourers (vs. men with drums), and the bird looks like a raven (vs. a condor), and the head of the bird is hidden as it is sunk down (vs. you can see the head). (And their arms aren't stretched out.) The only matching feature is that the ScareTheater photo does look like a poor photo-copy of a crumpled magazine image, which is interesting. Do you still think this is the missing photo? There is briefly a different thunderbird photo shown just after this on the ScareTheater site, at 2.36, which seems to show a black raven-like bird and has 3 farmers in front of a barn, no outstretched arms. The details of the bird is very unclear here. (You don't mean this photo, do you ?)

[@jakkuhl6223]

Possibly unrelated, but I was trying to research paleontology for a personal project I'd originally begun and left unfinished in 2018. After about an hour of trying most modern search engines, I realized that the internet just isn't as good of an information search tool as it was just 6 years ago. My point being, information is becoming harder to find, not easier, in the internet era.

[@lizziesangi1602]

@jakkuhl6223 I have to agree, intensely! At first, the computer was EXCELLENT for research! You could delve and find credible information and great sites. Now, those same sites have crappy information. You cannot get the best well rounded information on subject matter and including researching medicines - although the medical journals are up. They've stopped good research by computer. Thank God I'm from the days of good ol' research coming from books!!! And the older the book the better - 1900, earlier. I have one medical book writ 1898 and even though what I had didn't have a name then, all the symptoms were there. Peritonitis

[@csj9619]

I can affirm this fact. There has been an effort to scrub info on various subjects, usually by title keywords.

[@nateb4543]

Internet is too big now. You have to wade through an ocean of bs to maybe find what your looking for. God forbid there's a more popular topic with similar search words, forget it. You can pick any opinion on any subject and find people 100% in one camp and the opposite. You're right, it ain't what it used to be

[@christophervaughn7522]

@@jakkuhl6223 yeah but I've seen the s*** in print. Public library looking bound hardback book

[@christophervaughn7522]

Web info is worse. Wayback when the Feds ban on books went down (LOOMPANICS etc) I downloaded as many titles as I could.

[@Threetails]

I think people are confusing the pterodactyl photo with another photo of a man standing by the silhouette of a giant bird in a natural history museum.

[@Khn_2102]

Argentavis Magnificens?

[@ds0352]

that’s what I was thinking i’ve heard people talk abt this topic before just online n instantly thought of that

[@FrancisHatton]

Agreed.

[@jross7287]

That’s exactly what this is. The pterodactyl photos are almost identical

[@ickasaurus1195]

Ya this is the first thing I thought of when I started this video

[@medicalmisinformation]

Count me among the thousands. I remember it being like a barn wall. I think I saw it online in the late 1990s. I assumed it was probably a sophisticated fake, but it did not LOOK fake. It was just hard to believe.

[@Para2normal]

Me too, I have a crystal clear memory of seeing the photo in a book or magazine in the late 70's, early 80's. And yet, I'm now starting to think it was either a decent quality fake or a Mandela Effect.

[@dylanjwicklund92]

Exactly. How I remember it But I remember it being on a TV show.

[@rosemadder5547]

I remember it too, as a black and white photo

[@CurtisJeffries-cd5vu]

people used to jus etch the negatives of photos to touch em up or add things that weren't there. meaning fake, phoney photography has been around since the beginning. they didn't need computers to make hoaxes.

[@psycholol4855]

Are you guys not just misremembering the picture of the man next to argentavis magnificus..

[@caittails]

This comment section makes me extremely worried about what AI images are going to do to our world.

[@pyramidion5911]

Lord knows what we have already been tricked into believing. You can't trust your eyes or ears anymore.

[@AtSafeDistance]

@@pyramidion5911 People should remember that when a particular side releases a bunch of stuff about their competition.

[@faerie5926]

I mean, humans have always edited photos and faked things- people just don't realize that it's been a thing as long as cameras have been around (and before too tbh-). Victorian ladies would use paint to touch up their photos and make their waists look thinner than they were. Photos aren't always depicting real life and they have always been editable, people just need to start realizing that and be more critical of the things they see online.

[@tylermoulton7294]

@@faerie5926sigh . All of ya are just whiners lol

[@someguycalledCh0wdah]

​@@faerie5926Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (the guy who wrote Sherlock Holmes) was fooled by faked photos of "real fairies" and he and Harry Houdini had a huge falling out over it

[@JohnnyStroud]

I am so ready to see this project come forth. I am among those who've seen the photo. I am now 62 years old, and I remember the photo being in a school book or school publication I saw in my class back in the 1960s. I lived in China Grove, NC, and went to school in Landis, NC at the time. It was either our "Weekly Reader" magazine, or one of our "History" books. The photo creeped me out as a kid, so it stuck with me, thanks.

[@salacca2297]

Is it suspicious that so many of us remember seeing the photo?

[@grayk6565]

Yes

[@plotholedetective4166]

I remember it from when I was a teenager and people still spoke to each other via yahoo or aol instant chat and computers sounded like you were summoning Satan himself for nearly twenty minutes every time you tried to get online.

[@pamhouweling7141]

I saw it first in a book. But the bird had a head. And there was 3 pictures. One with men standing in front of it grouped together. One with the men on either side of the body. Later I saw one of the pictures in a newspaper photocopy on TV.

[@pamhouweling7141]

It was a thin book but larger than a standard novel. More like the size of those Manga comic books. But thin. About a half inch thick. I am in ontario canada.

[@SavannahShepherd669]

It was real popular on KZbin and the net a while back too

[@michaelmooney6701]

I saw many thunderbird photos. Back in the 90s while looking thru the auto trader

[@jenniferfrances8793]

lol 😂

[@5t0n3d-G4m3r]

that thunderbird totem pole @13:23 is the one in Stanley park in Vancouver BC, i got 3 days in jail just for climbing it while drunk one night...... could never forget that thing after that XD

[@dextermorgan1]

😂

[@dylanjwicklund92]

I remember going to Stanley park as a kid with my dad and riding the little train that they had like went around the park and he jumped off at 1 part and ends up jumping back on like 5 minutes later. And yeah, like this little red and silver windmill thing on a stick. I guess he saw it and jumped off to grab it.

[@kevintucker3354]

Nice!! 😂

[@kevintucker3354]

@@dylanjwicklund92 I don’t know why but I love this memory you shared! Thanks

[@ArtFartJen]

Worth it! 😂

[@gbollc]

Back when I was a teen, I used to hang out with an older teen who swore he'd saw a giant bird while fishing at dusk one time here in Pennsylvania. He seemed very honestly disturbed by it.

[@serysyo8418]

I wonder what's life like in freaking Pennsylvania lol

[@Oldworldlove]

I live in Cambridge springs pa. Super old town. We have some weird legends lol. I'm from Texas but lived here for 6 years now

[@S0m35uy]

A lot of the people are remembering two photos from the Fox series FreakyLinks S01E04 "Subject: Coelacanth This!" which originally aired on 27 October 2000. I believe the photos were also available on the series’ promotional website.

[@CarterHayes77]

@@S0m35uy correct.

[@Skrenja]

There's tons of lost media around cryptids and aliens. Does anyone else remember the "camouflaged alien" video that made rounds on limewire and other file sharing services back in the day? It showed some pretty convincing footage of what looks like an alien in the woods. The "alien" changes it's skin color like a camelion and hides behind a tree once the camera man notices it. I can't find this video anywhere. I also distinctly remember a pretty convincing photo of what looks like an alien corpse. The alien looked to be in a burnt up, rust colored space suit that was fused to it's skin. The creature was hunched up and was posed in a sitting position. This photo was _everywhere_ back in the day, but now I can't find a single trace of it. If anyone remembers these or can find either of them, please let me know!

[@EyeAmYou42]

There was a couple things I’ve seen too that I know we’re not faked and they are gone. There was also a woman who was abducted by aliens and was repeatedly visited and it’s like she vanished. All gone. If I try to Google her it’s like she never existed. All these videos gone. Either it’s a glitch in the matrix for us or they are trying to keep trying to hide things. Sometimes I wonder if we would even want to know the truth.

[@RoloT007]

@@EyeAmYou42Manipulated reality. Scary thought but whatever it is, I would want to know the truth.

[@RoloT007]

@@EyeAmYou42Im sick of being lied to.

[@TheDsRequiem]

​@@RoloT007calm down buddy lmfao

[@beaucameron8025]

I seen that camouflaged video a few years ago, can't remember where I seen it but I 100% did.

[@pinkushatejar]

What? I saw this photo in a children's book in school in like 4th grade, it was in a book about cryptids that may exist, pretty sure it was a Scholastic brand book. I cannot find the book online, and have only a vague memory of it, but there were two Thunderbird photos (one being the famously misattributed photo of the Giant Teratorn reconstruction in an Argentinian museum) and the other absolutely being what is described here. This was in an Ohio public school between like 2007 and 2011.

[@ericquiabazza2608]

Concidering they missuse the argentinian one could be that This photo is a fake. A photo of a barn, and average bird zoom in then 3 people in front of the barn This techice is easy to do both with lamines like used in animation AND even with the negatives by superposing them and burning them with light

[@ericquiabazza2608]

Why i think that? Because the more i learn about stories and legend after 1700 in north america is that 90% of them are Add made for propaganda, or to attract tourism, with other being use as excuses or popularize a mascot. A cowboy riding a tornado and the Giant blue bull are examples.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

@ericquiabazza2608 regardless of whether it's fake or not, it is interesting that so many remember it but none can find it (the photo)

[@S.P.Witchell]

I saw the latter in a text book 1995 to 1997 in middle school Iowa.

[@lizziesangi1602]

I have seen the picture of early 20th century men with a pterodactyl they shot down in the mountains in USA - that photo can be found and probably on YT. I have never seen a Thunderbird picture. In the early '60s, there was a picture I saw frequently of a mountain man who killed both a white and black Sasquatch and had their heads while shouldering his shotgun. I'll never forget that photo and really wonder if it's still out there, somewhere. I'm all in for seeing the photograph of a Thunderbird!!! Thank you, Hammerson Peters, never miss an episode ‼️‼️

[@gargoyle2585]

pterodactyl image is fake.

[@MrZyphose]

I saw that picture of the thunderbird and the pterodactyl also. I think the pterodactyl picture is or was often thrown in with the story of the thunderbird to show that odd crypto creatures did in fact exist. I don't doubt it really existed along with many other odd creatures. It's like wired telephones or tellgraphs eventually nobody will be here to say that they were real and young people will say they never existed even though I know we grew up with land lines and I know phonographs existed because ham operators used them to send Morris code. My step father was a ham operator.

[@AubreyCasler-c3p]

1: fake 2:Pterosaur*

[@LarryPerkins78]

@@gargoyle2585 there's actually at least two of these photos...one is obviously phony, the other that appears to be Civil War soldiers standing around a pterodactyl or Pterosaur looks incredibly realistic

[@alexismartinez5410]

​@@AubreyCasler-c3pyup. Clowns put bat wings on it 😂

[@jjurksztowicz]

This is a great channel because of the level-headed narration with deep research backing it up, without any of the condescending dismissal or fanatical acceptance of the stories. Really unique channel on KZbin for this genre. Keep it up!

[@m.b.593]

I’m almost positive I saw it in Fate when I was 11-12 so that would be 45 yrs ago. Great video brother. 🙏🏻

[@prayermanone]

California or Andean Condor?

[@rhiannancaraway]

Reminds me of the painting of Henry the 8th eating a turkey leg that many of us have seen that allegedly doesn't exist anymore.

[@JayRosenthal-wz7vm]

Whattya mean,the turkey leg photo doesn't exist.?

[@AmaltheaTheLast]

I thought people were mixing it up with the photo of a actor playing Henry VIII in a old black and white movie?

[@barbados199]

i'm 63 years old & i've seen one of these large birds in flight. it was not an eagle, hawk or condor all of which i'm familiar with. it flapped it's wings slowly as it flew up a long valley, very captivating & breathtaking to see.

[@zsigzsag]

There is a video of a very large bird, flying next to a small plane. It was flapping it's wings leisurely not fast but keeping up with the plane. It looked similar to the photo, wasn't any of the large flying species like cranes or herons. I forgot what program featured it. I'm a bit skeptical of the "photo" in this video., there is just something fake about it. The bird flying along side the plane, that was interesting. Will try to find it. There is also an account by a man who claims he was attacked by a large black bird when he was 10 yrs old, I think that has been debunked.

[@PurpleLightning6was9]

I wish I could live my life in such ignorance. You truly are blessed.

[@TheIndoGod]

@@PurpleLightning6was9you are. Don’t worry

[@xuxuang8574]

I've seen one too. It was weirdly underwhelming. I was like "oh, it's just a bird but bigger." When it was on its feet I'd estimate about 2-3 meters tall.

[@mathinho1237]

Sure grandpa

[@ooo000ooo00o0o0o0o0o]

I live in NM.. as teenager i saw the Thunderbird without question. My brother was driving us home from school that day as i looked out the window up in the sky. I saw what I thought to be a white plane high in the sky.. as if it was a 787. We came to a stop at a stop sign.. and Then i saw the wings flap down and back up and down. Though it was high.. i was able to discern this movement for sure. I told my brother to stay for a second,rolled down the window to confirm what i was seeing.. again and again i saw the wings move. I yelled at my brother to what i was seeing! He glanced up but could not spot what i was seeing.. my biggest regret was not getting out of the car and watching longer. My brother drove off not believing me. Later, i read about what the natives called the Thunderbird. It blew me away because i would have never believed something like that lived in my region. It was too much of a coincidence to have seen it and then later confirmed the legend in my area.

[@hangingwithmatty9465]

Fantastic information. What year was this roughly?

[@Christopherbever]

What part of NM? I’m from the South east where anything in the sky is an alien 😂

[@gaz8891]

That's amazing. There may still be a few around today then.

[@kellyk8630]

I think I've seen one of these in manitoba. I've spent my whole life outdoors and know the birds in the area. One day while hiking I saw a black bird fly overhead and it was unimaginably large I was in shock. The path I was on was about 25 feet wide and I swear that the wing span went from one side of the tree line to the other. It was wild. I'll never forget the moment and I tell people about it from time to time. Has anyone else seen something similar?

[@buckodonnghaile4309]

Manitoba? I've only been there once to go fishing, beautiful province. What you encountered might have been a mosquito, they're downright vicious out in the bush. Sadly I have not encountered anything like you but I don't doubt for a minute that there's things out there like that. Cheers.

[@robcarratello3349]

Did anyone notice the car sitting in front of the Tombstone Epitaph building is Ford Thunderbird?

[@etevenatkowicz9745]

That's so goddamn funny

[@pauliedibbs9028]

Nice catch! Ironic or…?

[@AtSafeDistance]

sorry if I am bursting anybody's bubble but the image was likely AI created and the guy typed in give me a photo of the newspaper with a T-bird parked in front. :)

[@etevenatkowicz9745]

@@AtSafeDistance that makes a lot of sense

[@mikeb1897]

I saw this picture in UFO magazine in a hospital around 1985, never forgot it!

[@AtSafeDistance]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5bWpGOImLSorZo

[@generaleerelativity9524]

As a resident of PA I can confirm that we have many types of cryptids here. I also remember that Thunderbird photo was in almost every trading post I visited out west either as a postcard or a framed poster for sale.

[@welostmylighter2703]

Oh god

[@M60gunner1971]

No you don't

[@paulpz04]

​@@M60gunner1971oh boy weve got a memory denier here..I suppose you think the Mandela Effect is nothing more than false memories also??..I swear it's hard to wrap your mind around just how incompetent some of these kids today are at independent thinking, I mean if anyone thinks the M.E. is just people making a mistake in how they remember things then you have a literal learning disorder, and God knows if everyone thought like you we'd still be burning torches for fking light..morons

[@scarletina5137]

Do you believe in the Mandela Effect? I trust what you say I just wonder why these postcards havent been unearthed if they were widely circulated.

[@josephapsey9965]

What this video has taught me is just how malleable our memories are, I honestly believe this is very much a big case of mass hysteria, many people have seen similar images in their lives and those images have all morphed into one missing image due to our collective minds, I find it so hard to believe the real image could be completely missing given just how many people have supposedly seen it and how recent some of these stories are, yet because of the mystery around the image it’s so easy for us to be swept up in it and conform our own memories so we can be sort of the mystery

[@pyramidion5911]

Most adults aren't posting content online and the ones who do, are usually uploading useless stuff like selfies or food reviews. Who knows just how much interesting information is out there just laying around in the physical world but still missing from the internet.

[@bluemutt9964]

Seems weird for mass hysteria to make people remember a specific photo. Especially spanning 50+ years from what some say, I remember it in the scholastic book fairs

[@davidponseigo8811]

I and my son have seen a Thunderbird on two occasions on my property in North Louisiana, once from only 10 feet away when we startled it by the side of the road as we passed in our Jeep. This used to be a large Caddo Indian village and we have found rock carvings hundreds of years old of Thunderbirds.

[@ElGato6969.]

I suggest quitting psychedelics!

[@hangingwithmatty9465]

Awesome story! I would love to hear more

[@gaz8891]

Amazing, lucky you ! How big was it ?

[@PUBHEAD1]

Yes! Perfect timing to listen to for my Sunday afternoon nap.👍

[@LolUGotBusted]

"I'm going to go out and collect and describe new species today." "OH neat. Where-" "Of Big Bird." "..." "Cookie monsters are real"

[@dmcc1703]

If you find it you should get a major award. I think it’s a mix of urban legends and false memories. I’ve been looking for 20 years and no one has found anything. Would be pretty cool though.

[@KingFluffs]

25:00 Kramers information is very interesting. Especially since we now know some early Britons DID venture to the Americas.

[@Moresunplease]

The picture I saw was the bird with wings outstretched against an exterior barn wall, there were men in the picture with old time clothes, like 1900’s farmwork type clothes. The first time I saw this picture I was a child in the early 80’s and we were on a family camping trip. I was reading a Ripley’s Believe It or Not book and the picture was in there. I also saw it later in the 90’s as an adult, also on a camping trip lol, while reading the Enquirer. I haven’t seen it since.

[@thetowerkeeper]

Excellent presentation. I was told -I think it is generally known- that as Sanderson was dying a lot of associates turned up and removed files and material. A lot was lost.

[@jujujudio]

An 1800s newspaper in Cameron County, Pa states matter of factly that a flock of thunderbirds were sighted in Dent's Run.

[@christophernuzzi2780]

When I was a kid in the 70s, my father told me about seeing this photo in Saga magazine. They had a stack of them at the firehouse where he worked (he was a NYC fireman) and he used to read them when he was on watch all night. When I was a teenager I read about the controversy surrounding this photo in a book, and I showed the book to my dad. He said, "That's the picture I saw!" I'm certain the photo is real. My father wasn't the type to imagine things or make up stories.

[@SPQR748]

Since so many of us remember seeing the photo but in different backgrounds, I suggest that we are describing more than one photo of a giant bird. However since none of these photos can be found today, then we can conclude that history is being scrubbed right in front of us. But by whom and why?

[@ChadOfAllChads]

I've found a bunch of pictures online. I just Google "hunters kill giant bird picture" simple I know lol but I found multiple including one that looks a lot like the "original" picture. In my opinion, it's a case of mass hysteria that wasn't helped because there was a market back then and now for stories like this.

[@dzhang4459]

Kamala Harris will declassify this photo when she is president. Vote!

[@SavageEntertainmentYEAH]

@@ChadOfAllChadsI agree with you. Also the internet now is so easy to fill with constant misinformation that it’s easy for something like small joke story’s posted on obscure threads becoming rumors in real life which then become facts for some people without ever realizing where the infor came from in the first place

[@faerie5926]

It's probably more likely the issue the internet has of loosing things in general- if it doesn't get archived or is stuck behind a login then it's gone forever if the website is taken down or is inactive.

[@Cappy_Cat]

It's not being scrubbed out by anyone, you can find images similar to what you're thinking of with ease. Not to mention that the original image you're thinking of is almost certainly doctored, quite simply a bird like that would never exist. It would be way too heavy and have too inefficient of a body plan for flying, which means the image was either doctored to make the bird appear massive and or the bird itself was a complete fake.

[@BrianBaglo]

I saw a giant bird like this in the late 1980s north of victoria b.c. it stopped traffic as it swooped back and forth low across the patbay highway wingspan approx 25-30ft thought it was cal condor but itwas the size of a cessna

[@ColemanRBentz-888]

This is so weird. I vividly remember this picture as well, thinking "that can't possibly be real". I remember hearing countless stories about them too where they'd terrorize people out alone on trails or steal whole sheep from farms.

[@SusanCrone22]

I remember seeing that photo too.

[@tavish6838]

I remember, as a kid, seeing a photo like this in the back of a hunting/fishing magazine. Probably the late 70s. It appeared to be out west in the late 1800s. Large pteranodon hung on the end of a barn with a group of men below. Really stuck with me.

[@sandragrant1785]

Me too, definitely.

[@DM-wu5hn]

​@tavish6838 this one? kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIHTaGyKatCtq6csi=CR8PkF3enO1GQzUI

[@RockerfellerRothchild1776]

Its on my wall

[@yourbasicninja]

Liar ​@@RockerfellerRothchild1776

[@stevepuffery8918]

I have seen the photo in question around 1967 or so, it does exist. It must have been a vintage wildlife book as I was interested in birds/reptiles etc..(My library had a cache of very old picture books) I studied it closely, it was quite sharp, good contast print, like a 20’s or 30’s plate. I was very interested. My brothers and I debated it’s authenticity, It appeared to be very crow/raven like, head in profile with larger wings and body. The head seemed a little small in comparison to the rest of it. The first place my mind went was this is photoshopped with analog vintage equip. But it was believable looking. Also seemed like it would make a perfect tourist souvaneer postcard.

[@steviechampagne]

I remember this picture. It blows my mind that it’s no longer existent. Same with the cornucopia in the Fruit of the Loom logo. No one will convince me otherwise

[@DickDickstein]

This universe is far stranger than we even thought it was.

[@raymond_sycamore]

THEY WANT YOU TO FORGET! They are CONDITIONING you to accept the memory hole and "NEW THINK!" Write things down!

[@MakerInMotion]

The best argument I've heard against the Mandela Effect is there should be bigger changes in these alternate timelines than brand logos and word spelling. How come nobody's been to a timeline where JFK was a two term president? Nah just insignificant things that don't matter.

[@stefanschleps8758]

​@@raymond_sycamoreYou're giving drugs a bad name. Chill, they'll wear off. 😅

[@spitfire577]

​@@stefanschleps8758 Mocker 😢😮

[@arlenedavis5770]

I remember seeing it as well. I was, I think 13?? and the cover of the book was blue. However, it strikes me that the description of the Thunderbird- with the white ring around its neck, etc.- could be descriptive of a Condor as well. Also, is it just me, or does Cranmer seem not entirely credible?

[@guszilla6806]

It's in a monster and myth encyclopedia from the early 1980s I owned it. I'm gonna hunt it down now I'll be back

[@dawrfsgame2154]

Did you die in a house fire?

[@yongyea4147]

Day din do nuffin doe!!!!

[@AtSafeDistance]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5bWpGOImLSorZo

[@mrmonkebig30]

@@dawrfsgame2154you better hope they didn’t because if they did you’re going to look very suspicious.

[@dawrfsgame2154]

@@mrmonkebig30 Nuh uh

[@Ebenaezerkalang]

Hi from Malaysia. I remember seeing this photo from a documentary show about cryptids by History Channel in mid 2000's, which I can't recall the name of the documentary..

[@anabantoid]

I remember seeing the photo in an old book of compiled allegedly true(or at least plausible) unexplained mysteries/cryptozoology/supernatural stories. I've been looking for the book everywhere since a few of the stories in the book have genuinely haunted me since I was a child and I really wish to get my hands on a copy of the book. The book was a thin hardcover, and the outside of the hardcover was a worn out light blue fabric/canvas with the title embossed on the spine in silver or white; it may have had a tiny Nessie embossed in the cover in the same silver/white; there was very minimal text on the outside of the book from what I remember and I'm positive all the photos inside were black and white. I took the book out of my school library when I was a young child, it was(or at least appeared to be) an old vintage book at the time(I was in school in the 90s-early 2000s). I've been looking for this book for literal decades so if anyone finds it please let me know! I might also be conflating/combining several similar books I'd read or books that I took out of the school library at the same time, so I hope I'm not sending anyone on a wild goose(or I guess thunderbird lol) chase. I hope this helps.

[@sasqetshenkley1190]

That was a damn fine web of intrigue, Ham. You truly do have a gift. ..Also.. *of course* Frank packed a literal elephant gun to hunt for thunderbirds. 😂

[@MarvinSchieferdecker]

Greatings from Germany, we also remember that Photo.

[@woah6958]

People could fake photos back then too...those ones of the girls with the fairies fooled a lot of people.

[@KingFluffs]

They insisted that the pin outs were used to replicate what they had really seen as the fairys couldn't be photographed.

[@mirrorblue100]

Supposedly a Thunderbird was seen in the skies above Iowa during spring plowing in 1971. Witnesses described it as being ". . . the size of a Cessna."

[@fourshore502]

where in iowa? iowa is pretty darn big.

[@Jigardo]

Was it as big as a battleship though?

[@JimmyMatis-h9y]

@Jigardo definitely bigger than a breadbox, probably smaller than a house 😋

[@mirrorblue100]

@@fourshore502 Somewhere around Ottumwa. A farmer was plowing down an Indian mound. Said the thing was huge and scared the stuffings out of him. Several people saw it.

[@S.P.Witchell]

Most of these sightings are over Burlington Iowa, Ottumwa, Perry, and Van Meter. Van Meter is famous for the flying cryptid The Van Meter Visitor, while Burlington has odd lights and “dragon” sightings.

[@TimJohniLL]

This entire video is a rationalization of failing to find something

[@GoreGlass]

Thanks for saving me the time. I really do appreciate it. I thought this was going somewhere.

[@blee8714]

i saw this photo when i took out a library book in elementary school. I was obsessed with ghosts, bigfoot, the paranormal, and ufo’s. the photo of the thunderbird was in a book i had borrowed from the library. this would have been in the mid to late 90’s. the book also had the story of the train that had hit a bigfoot and the body was being transported and was lost. if this book rings a bell for anyone. i want to say it had black cover with 3 different cryptid images on it.

[@pinkushatejar]

Wow, I left a very similar comment, I also saw this photo in a book as a kid from my school library. I believe it was published by Scholastic, but otherwise cannot recall any details to identify the particular book (as I'm sure you remember, there were many many books like that and I read every one I could) it was with the famously misattributed photo of the Argentinian bird reconstruction in the museum. This was circa 2007 - 2011

[@blee8714]

@@pinkushatejar yeah we probably read the same book! Also, another bit of info was the birds head was down and to the visual right with the head being mostly blended in with the black body due to the crappy photo. i can’t stop thinking about this. this is wild.

[@pinkushatejar]

@@blee8714 it's really surprising, if you're even remotely into the anomalous and unexplained you'll have experienced first hand how quickly information evaporates. There are easily half a dozen UFO videos I remember that are now lost media that nobody else seems to remember.

[@JayP7.62]

Same here. Was in the late 80's or early 90's for me.

[@TheCyndicate]

Same here, late 80's early 90's, Orlando FL.

[@JCSAXON]

I recall seeing the “held” version of the photo & it may very well have been in one of those post-war men’s adventure magazines as I used to have a large collection of them. I don’t think I took it seriously though as b/w photos were so easy to manipulate in cheap pulp publications

[@skipalitevandango]

I remember stumbling into the whole Mandela effect because of this photo. I was talking about weird stuff with a friend one day. I told him about the photo and drew a picture of it. The photo I saw I recreated. It had the people with arms stretched out in front of a large wooden. Building in front of the bird, just like in the thumbnail. Then we went online to find it and realized everybody else saw the picture but couldn't find it. I remembered the book I saw it in. It was a collection of paranormal things. I came to the part of the book where it was me turned but the picture wasn't there anymore! It was a book from the 70's early 80's.

[@AMARK1NG]

Yes Yes finally a video about the Thunderbird this is like my favorite cryptid

[@dougdillon1271]

You have the absolute best stuff on your channel! Thank you!

[@13_to_the_33rd]

I remember that photo in the late 90s early 00s on AOL when the internet was first becoming a household thing, I was a teenager but I still clearly remember it, I've seen a couple fakes since then that weren't the same, weird...

[@TryssemTavern]

I remember reading a vivid description of the supposed picture. Was described well enough that I developed a vivid visual image of it. I'm willing to bet that is the case for a lot of other people as well.

[@13_to_the_33rd]

@@TryssemTavern that's true the human mind loves creating false memories that are indistinguishable from real ones, quite strange

[@chrispatton4219]

I didn’t know what the video was about when it started but I thought to myself “I sort of remember seeing that picture before”

[@delawar3]

Wow, talk about synchronicity! You wanna hear something crazy? OK so I live in a sort of ghost town here in North Central British Columbia, an old sawmill town known as Giscome, BC. I live here on my little 2 1/2 acre property with my wife, our 3 young children, and my mom lives here as well. Only just 5 or 6 hours ago, I'm out in the backyard building a pirate ship / tree fort for the kids. When all of a sudden my eldest daughter (6yo) comes racing toward me from the direction of our driveway (North to South) and she's white as a ghost and out of breath. She starts to tell me that she's just seen something but I couldn't understand what she was trying go say. So I ended up just taking her hand and let her lead the way. A few seconds later we stop in the middle of the driveway and she points to the north which from our perspective is in the direction of a big rock outgrowing and beyond that, the nearby lake (Eaglet Lake, named after a native legend stating that in the not so distant past, there used to reside a giant bald eagle.) She then excitedly explains to me how her and her two siblings had just been playing on their Nana's front steps when they suddenly noticed a very large "flying dinosaur" flying not that far off the ground directly over their heads flapping it's massive "bat wings" like I said from a Southerly to a Northerly direction. I hear this, take it with a grain of salt, and enquire further. I asked what kind of flying dinosaur, to which my daughter replied: "It was a pterodactyl dad! It was huge!" I then asked, "you sure it wasn't a bald eagle or a blue heron or an osprey?" (All of which we have here and which my kids are quite familiar with) She responds with "No no no, dad. Waaaaay bigger!" So I ask: "How big? Wider than the (8 ft. wide) driveway?" She replies in the affirmative. I then asked her to walk the distance she figured this thing's wingspan must have been, and she proceeded to cover a distance of about 14-16 ft. After that I just thought to myself, well crap, wish I'd have been there to take a photo. Shortly aftè that I just filed that away in the old noggin under "Guess that just happened" and went back to work on my project in the backyard. And hadn't thought much about it after that. That is until about halfway through watching this video. Now, I don't know what to make of all that. Stranger things have indeed happened here already to be sure. So I guess it's not completely out of the realm of possibility for my kids to have just witnessed a frikkin real-life thunderbird. Jealous? Me? Well, ya.

[@DonGilbertoGuruledeNuevoMejico]

My step-dad saw "pterodactyl's" twice in South Eastern New Mexico, near the Bottomless lakes, and Roswell, probably in the 70's, and one of my long time best friends saw one above a mountain lake near Mt Taylor in the 80s. My step-dad's late brother saw a sasqautch in a place called Hells Canyon, 70s, and my old lady saw a "giant turtle" bigger then the small paddle boat she was in the late 80s/early 90s,peace ✌ from Nuevo Méjico

[@CurtisJeffries-cd5vu]

you writtin a book, homie? ain't nobody reading all that.

[@denalisrazor8142]

I read it ​@@CurtisJeffries-cd5vu

[@joshspears8507]

​@@CurtisJeffries-cd5vuI did

[@savannar3632]

So cool! I’m originally from BC and we used to spend time at my parents friends property in Enderby, quite a bit south of where you are, but sounds similar. I believe a lot of the indigenous “legends” are actually just stories, probably a lot of them true, so that is SO COOL there is a lake with that name so close by.

[@WhattheNewTestamentReallySays]

Hammerson, do you recall seeing the picture of the American cowboys standing with that massive Pterodactyl they allegedly shot down?

[@rickyhurtt5568]

Yeah I myself do too

[@banhatlessducks]

Yeah man there's a few versions I've seen the apparently fake one and the real one

[@WhattheNewTestamentReallySays]

@@banhatlessducks I live in Colorado, near the Rocky Mountains. I had a buddy who is from California claim to me he saw a Pterodactyl fly low across a very busy road he was on one night. We were drinking at a bar when he told me this and, frankly, I thought he was either mistaken or crazy. During the decade or so of our friendship he would occasionally bring it up again. I never would say I did not believe him, mainly because I've had my own strange incidents along other lines--but he was saying this to me long before I heard of other Pterodactyl sightings in the United States. Now these sightings (even in Colorado) are rather common (even an alleged attack in the Four Corners area down south) and I am now very glad I did not openly disbelieve him. Incidentally, Monster Quest has done a documentary on the subject of Pterodactyls in Papua New Guinea where they call them "Ropen." I have also had it confirmed to me that these animals live in present-day Africa: "Kongamoto is a reported pterodactyl-like cryptid living in semitropical regions of Africa, particularly in Zambia, the Congo, and Angola. Kongamato roughly means; 'over-turner of boats'."

[@mariawhite7337]

I remember this from back in the day too. A lot of KZbin have it... logicked I think mentioned it a long time ago. The John Morris Pendleton videos I think.

[@gaz8891]

Yes, I can see it now on the right side of my screen, as the cover image of one of the films that KZbin is suggesting, called "Legend or lie ? Tombstone Thunderbird." And another one, "PROOF of the Tombstone Thunderbird - Forgotten History."

[@mbeecher9921]

The world I'm from ended in 2012, many of us jumped consciousness into this world without realizing it. Notice there was no Mandela effect prior to 2012.

[@Anomalyy666]

Yeah I heard this before. The question is how did it end?? What caused it?

[@makevelicustoms]

I remember seeing the picture in a old history book 📚 in the late 90s when I was a kid.

[@S.P.Witchell]

In a text book yes? Middle school maybe social studies?

[@RAYFORDHENDERSON-dc2op]

someone should look for that picture that ended up in encyclopedias of a 32 foot shark's jaws, "caught up in an anchor chain in Australia"...there was a pic of its jaws with 6 men seated inside it...just the jaw bones. Now they claim the pic is of a mockup jaws in an American Museum.

[@LarryPerkins78]

I remember seeing the photo of the giant bird tied to the side of a barn with a bunch of men standing under it in a magazine back in the 1960s...it was like an old west magazine if I recall correctly

[@thedoruk6324]

Who would possibly have guessed that the Thunder bird documentations are uncanny despite the *fact* that Native tribes telling about the thunderbirds being highly dangerous for decades lol

[@dooddough8221]

I do remember seeing the picture in my youth, but it pales in comparison to when my parent's and I saw one in WI. Though what we saw looked different than the creature in the picture.

[@reubenc0039]

Please please do describe your encounter to me my friend!!!!

[@dooddough8221]

@@reubenc0039 Since you asked so nicely! I believe it was late summer of "82 (perhaps"83) and I and my parents were driving back from a family outing. It was getting late in the afternoon, approaching dusk when we were driving through rural areas with full fields of corn all about. My father was driving with my mother in the front while I sat behind her in the backseat watching the environs that we drove past. As we drove alongside a large cornfield, I noticed what seemed to be an old service pole of decent size standing tall over the corn and atop of this pole perched what seemed to be a man! I yelled out to my parents "Look! there's a farmer standing on that pole!" My mother then noticed this and also prompted my father to quickly pull over. As we stopped and I got a better look at this "man" I noticed it was a large bird as it began to pivot itself to face another way. I've always been an animal lover and allured by the unknown so this compelled me to get a better look. Then without warning I burst out of the backdoor of the car and began to run across the shoulder of the road and down into the ditch that bordered the cornfield. I was swiftly scolded to come back and this is when the bird took flight. From what I and my parents concluded the wingspan was somewhere in the 15-18 foot range. It seemed to take off like a raptor does but with broad wings soared like a large owl with just a few flaps as it plummeted off it's perch and then soared off about 5-6 feet above the corn with just an occasional flap to keep gliding aloft. It flew low to the corn towards distant WI wooded hills. The plumage was dark and I did not notice a large beak protruding as it flew off at approx. a 45 degree angle before it turned a bit to only offer a view from it's rear. Thanks for your interest and if you have other questions I'll try to answer them.

[@dooddough8221]

@@reubenc0039 Since you asked so nicely! I attempted to post this earlier but for some reason the reply didn't post? Anyways, here's the tale. In the late summer of '82 (perhaps "83) my parents and I were driving home from a family outing in south central WI. My father was driving with my mother in the front seat while I sat in the backseat behind her and as we drove past large cornfields, I noticed a decent sized service pole standing tall above the corn. To my amazement there atop of that pole was what appeared to be a man squatting in a peculiar manner! At that point I yelled out to my parents "Look!, there's a farmer on that pole!!" which then made my mother prompt my father to quickly pull over. As the vehicle came to a stop I got a better look and then realized that this was a giant bird on this pole! I have always been an animal lover and allured by the unknown so without warning I jumped out of the car and dashed across the shoulder of the road and down into the ditch that bordered the cornfield wanting to get a better look. It was at this point that the bird pivoted atop the pole to begin it's takeoff to flight. With just a few flaps it was gliding away low to the tops of the corn, not trying to get up higher into the air as I expected. The huge bird flew off at approximately a 45 degree from our view before turning to fly directly away from us offering only the rear view as it flew off towards distant wooded WI hills. The plumage was uniformly dark but not black and I did not notice any large beak protruding from it's face but the head may have been angled away. It flew like a large raptor as it took off but then with visible broad wings would glide in a similar fashion as a great horned owl. The amazing wingspan was in the 15-18 foot range and that was what was so bewildering. I knew of condors, Stellar's sea eagles, large owls and ravens but this was way too big for those. Thanks for your interest and if you have further questions I'll try to answer them.

[@dooddough8221]

Since you asked so nicely! I attempted to post this earlier but for some reason the reply didn't post? Anyways, here's the tale. In the late summer of '82 (perhaps "83) my parents and I were driving home from a family outing in south central WI. My father was driving with my mother in the front seat while I sat in the backseat behind her and as we drove past large cornfields, I noticed a decent sized service pole standing tall above the corn. To my amazement there atop of that pole was what appeared to be a man squatting in a peculiar manner! At that point I yelled out to my parents "Look!, there's a farmer on that pole!!" which then made my mother prompt my father to quickly pull over. As the vehicle came to a stop I got a better look and then realized that this was a giant bird on this pole! I have always been an animal lover and allured by the unknown so without warning I jumped out of the car and dashed across the shoulder of the road and down into the ditch that bordered the cornfield wanting to get a better look. It was at this point that the bird pivoted atop the pole to begin it's takeoff to flight. With just a few flaps it was gliding away low to the tops of the corn, not trying to get up higher into the air as I expected. The huge bird flew off at approximately a 45 degree from our view before turning to fly directly away from us offering only the rear view as it flew off towards distant wooded WI hills. The plumage was uniformly dark but not black and I did not notice any large beak protruding from it's face but the head may have been angled away. It flew like a large raptor as it took off but then with visible broad wings would glide in a similar fashion as a great horned owl. The amazing wingspan was in the 15-18 foot range and that was what was so bewildering. I knew of condors, Stellar's sea eagles, large owls and ravens but this was way too big for those. Thanks for your interest and if you have further questions I'll try to answer them.

[@gaz8891]

@@dooddough8221 An amazing sighting, you are lucky. I honestly think this is the bird that has been called Argentavis magnificiens, which had a 7m wingspan. I supposedly lived 6 million years ago, but I think the fossil dating methods are flawed, and it's still around in low numbers. It would be great if someone could scout out the places where it has been seen and get some footage. Then we could try to protect it!

[@roddmatsui3554]

Way back at least from 1990, when I first saw this mentioned in the prevalent magazines of the time, I have been aware of this peculiar giant bird mystery!

[@zaccarruthers2617]

I rember reading about an ornithologist being calld to investigate missing people whos remains were poping up in gaint brid dropings in a vilige in the goto archipelago around 1995. The birds were captured and brought to toyko for study, but they escaped along the way.

[@jasherwolf]

I remember seeing a photo of a giant crow like bird, but it was just a recreation of what it would've looked like based on fossils found in Argentina...and those fossils found proved that birds could actually get that big, supporting the possibility of legends of thunder birds... but keep in mind, that photo was not a real bird, but a recreation ALL based on fossils found

[@dennygoodgodshall]

When I was a kid, I saw that picture in a book as well. Thank you for doing this. I live in Reading Pennsylvania. I’d love to meet Frank Graves wherever he is.

[@marlene56-143]

If you live in Reading, PA why do you misspell it?

[@dennygoodgodshall]

@@marlene56-143 unfortunately that was me using my microphone and I did not notice usually I catch mistakes like that

[@dennygoodgodshall]

@@marlene56-143 lol

[@lilyw.719]

Hey, you're not far from me, then! I'm over in Schuylkill and drove past Reading on 222 today!

[@kelly_out_and_about2670]

I live in the Skook too!!

[@angelacadieux1972]

I seen the shadow of a very large bird about 10 years ago. And i have seen that picture in my youth. It was in a barn hanging on the wall.

[@bromisovalum8417]

16:30.yeah yeah I heard all that jazz, and here is my rebuttal: Dolly had braces. You remember the movie Moonraker? She must have had braces, that was the joke, no there's no reason for falling in love with Jaws. She. Had. Braces. There are more things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

[@jotun.616]

I dunno what your time stamp is for yet, but yea. I havent even seen the movie, but it just makes sense that she would have braces. They kinda proved the whole Mandela thing cos the trademark paperwork for the fruit of the loom logo says it includes a cornucopia.

[@MeduseldRabbit]

I have seen a lot of forced perspective photographs of things like grasshoppers supposedly the size of dogs and the like. These were a popular subject matter to send as postcards to frighten relatives back east for a while. Could it be that someone did a photo like that, and it was mistaken for real? People have been goofing around with photos since long before photoshop was a thing.

[@KJ-tz7vc]

Highly likely!

[@gaz8891]

But there really was a huge eagle-type bird with a 7m wingspan. The bones have been found and the species is named Argentavis magificiens. It supposedly lived 6 million years ago. But the dating methods may not be reliable and it might actually be a relatively modern species.

[@dylanjwicklund92]

A 20 foot black snake wouldn't be out of the question like an Eastern indigo that just grew freakishly big. Could maybe Get that long depending on how much it ate when it ate and how long it lived.

[@pokemonsisters]

99% sure lots of people are thinking of the black and white photo of argentavis magnificens. Its the first result if you look up "black and white photo of large extinct bird"

[@MangyMagi]

its definitely that, I couldn't remember why the photo seemed like a familiar idea, its that photo.

[@gaz8891]

You can see it on the video "Top 5 LARGEST Birds in History." That's apparently a museum reconstruction. But there's another photo of an enormous black condor with lots of men standing in front, see 2.30 on "Cryptids - Thunderbird" on the ScareTheater site. This may be the original thunderbird photo ?

[@soulstorm8806]

I’ve seen one with the head almost of a Teradactyl dinosaur but it had feathers like a huge condor or vulture. The feathers were black but around the neck was white like a condor. But the head was like a teradactyl with a huge crest on the back sticking straight back. Also in its mouth seemed to be sharp teeth. It was in front of a barn and men were standing in the picture looking like they were from the 1800s / 19th century. I seem to remember Civil War soldier attire. With buttons etc. but I could be wrong on that. My main focus was on the huge bird itself. It was quite a picture. It was circling the internet before AI was so readily available. Is this the one most of you remember? Because it’s definitely the one I’ve seen. I know I’m not mistaken about the black feathers and its head with teeth etc. That’s what I saw 💯% if anyone saw the same or different feel free to reply and say so.

[@PeteMunchel-sn9ff]

I've been to Tombstone (highly recommend) and a few locals I talked to swear they've seen the photo, a couple also swore they'd seen similar flying creatures.

[@gaz8891]

Great.

[@barryaloisi7397]

I love the little musical flourish at the end of the King Arthur explanation!

[@godwolfd4948]

There was an episode of "Freaky Links" in the early 2000s that addressed this. They showed a photo. The show is obviously fiction, but this may be what people are remembering.

[@RockZuenger]

I have 100% seen that photo, I don't remember where but I've seen it!

[@jellybean547]

I remember seeing the photo usually alongside Bigfoot pictures and such on documentaries. I didn't even know there was a mystery around it until now.

[@R_B_Taylor]

In response to my post .... Original Ripley Believe it or Not books,actual books and possibly the comics that had sources . Original book from early 20th century about circus people(Barnum and Bailey , etc) detailing them and other oddities found from ths 1800s and up. The book had the 3 legged man as a child , Tom Thumb, etc. The bird pic was ,if my memory serves me ,like a huge dark bird with gauchos in front of it.

[@redwawst3258]

I have the photo and other t-bird and pterosaur photos on one of my old laptops. Whether or not they’re genuine, I have no idea. 😎

[@profitgeoff4313]

I've seen that photo - a copy in an old monster book.

[@matthewmaxcy1574]

I remember the picture as well it looked like a giant Crow in likeness, it wasnt a raven but same color and nearlike shape of a raven mixed with a bird of prey .

[@gregbaehring1656]

Could it be a good photograph fake like the giant grasshopper and others.

[@CoryW-h3q]

​@@gregbaehring1656yes, it could of been and it could of been real

[@watersoluble5871]

My memory of this photo was my dad showing me a picture of the original picture that had been reprinted in a local magazine on newsprint paper in the early 90s, it was specifically about oddities if I remember correctly.

[@eros5420]

Strangely, I've seen a photo being described... but not one of the pics in this video. It is similar to many of the descriptions though. It was tied or pinned to a barn. But the bar was shorter than the one in the drawing. There was six men lined up in front with the bird being slightly shorter than their arms. The fourth man from the left had a round top hat with a wide brim. The birds head was slumped over as they say because I remember trying to look at its beak but it wasn't visible. I thought they had decapitated it at first but after looking for a bit it did have its head slumped forwards. Idk where I saw this pic. :/

[@Tempe1962]

I have seen 3 photos.1) men are standing around a body of a large bird on the ground.2) men are holding a large bird by the wings.3) a large bird is hanging on a barn with men standing around. I remember seeing one of the photos when I was a kid. It was in a book or magazine and I think it was the latter.It could have been a national geographic or some other kind of nature magazine.I think the photo I saw was of the men holding the bird or of it on the ground.Are any of them real? I dont know.What I do know for sure is that I saw the photo while in my parents bedroom.

[@ronin6033]

I saw it. It exists. It’s a black bird and also a pterodactyl

[@AtSafeDistance]

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[@Yupmoose]

I remember seeing the photo back 40+ years in my mom's book collection, but that was lost in a flood in 1995. And doesn't it seem coincidental that these birds could be the missing 411 culprits? Wow

[@RoloT007]

An awful lot of the missing 411 people went missing with a group very close by. I would think that the group would have noticed a 60 foot long eagle flying overhead.

[@bobbyvalentino2178]

@@RoloT007missing 411 really really does its best to make it seem so unexplainable when lots of them have been explained to natural perils. I’ve seen this pic 30 years ago many places but missing 411 isn’t as convincing as they make themselves to appear

[@DonMeyersCarthage]

I'm sure that happened. Most definitely

[@mindsight9732]

Birds wouldn't bring a corpse back. Why abduct? For a week long game of riddles to the death? However not seeing a 60 ft wing span bird, thats very believable.

[@RoloT007]

@@bobbyvalentino2178 He takes cases that are mysterious in their own right and groups them together and says “wow, these are mysterious”

[@michaelwarenycia7588]

Thing is, I am way too young to have ever read any of those pulp magazines, or even know any of the authors. And I do remember seeing that photo in a documentary as a kid....i liked to watch In Search of with Leonard Nemoy and Arthur C Clarke's stuff...this was all on satellite broadcast american TV in Canada, circa y2k. Definitely remember the photo but the idea that people read the pulp description and were inspired to imagine it simply doesnt apply across times and places.

[@White_Breeder]

This picture used to be all over the internet, how the hell did it just disappear from everywhere?

[@tommynobaka]

So many photos I remember seeing are now "wiped". One still haunts my mind. It is the cosmic image of "god". An atom like particle with a tail of light. It's called the image of god because it is the most furthest zoomed out image of the cosmos. Beyond galaxies. I'm not sure if it's real or not, but interesting nonetheless.

[@gaz8891]

I don't think it has disappeared. I've only spent a bit of time following up other people's suggestions and have now seen 2 thunderbird photos and 3 pterodactyl photos. I think one of each is a museum reconstruction and the others may be genuine.

[@MrClifftonChandler]

I'm renaming the 'Nah-ah-ni valley' to the 'Yah-ha-ni valley' since every time I hear a story from there, I say,'Nah ah, no way.' and then Hammerson looks me dead in the eye and says, ' Yah-ha, yes way'.'

[@FrankUnknown]

The "Mandela Effect" should be called the "Thunderbird Effect."

[@anticksss]

I read some comments and now I remember better. It was a Black book, maybe 8 by 8 inches, and pretty thin. It was a black hardcover book with a picture of the Patterson bigfoot on it, white text on the back cover I think, and red title text on the front cover. I think it was literally called something like CRYPTIDS. I'm certain the book had the thunderbird photo

[@Originalmudkipz]

"black book, maybe 8 by 8 inches, and pretty thin...Black hardcover book with a picture" Possibly remembering a book from the "Mysteries of the Unknown" book series produced by "Time-Life Books". It was a 33 piece book set covering a range of popular conspiracy topics made from 87-92. I dont recall one having the Patterson photo on it, but the book entitled "Mysterious Creatures" has the Patterson photo in it on a section covering bigfoot. I cannot recall if it contains the thunderbird photo.

[@WilliamCollins-sh6lm]

There was ether a huge bat or a small flying lizard around Thumb Butte Loop at Skull Valley Over Look near Prescott Az... Saw it 20 years ago alone with my wife... A lot of weird stuff goes on around Mt Francis !!!

[@Projectdarke]

The photo is clearly a Mandela effect! A remnant from before the Cryptids Nerf patch.

[@themadplotter]

Just say false memory, no need to sully a great man’s legacy with a term coined by a lunatic woman that thinks crystals change everything in life 😂

[@bogganalseryd2324]

Agreed, I know I've seen it, I can see it in my minds eye clearly

[@LittleMissDeath]

Wake up babe. New Mandela Effect that makes me angry just dropped.

[@rameybutler-hm7nx]

Seems like my grandfather had a book with that picture in it. It was a old book when i looked at it. My grandfather been passed for many decades now but it may be still there

[@gnanagowryvithiyananthan6427]

Thank you for sharing ancient Canadian true stories 🙏

[@rickkrockstar]

I recall in the 80's, Time Life had a series out called, MYSTERIES OF THE UNKNOWN - TIME LIFE BOOKS - there was a 30 VOLUME SET, which I had at the time. One book was called Mysterious Creatures, I'm not sure , but I thought I remember seeing this picture in this book. If not these are overall very interesting books about interesting paranormal subjects. I'm pretty sure these books are still available on ebay somewhere. Still the pterodactyl picture was a 1992 photoshop edit, while the large black bird was much earlier.

[@udontknowhoiambutiknowhereuliv]

As for Mandela effect what do u think is more likely, that some seemingly all-powerful magic force is making totally obscure things from the past randomly disappear entirely from existence. Or, peoples memories aren’t quite as good as they thought.

[@noblesavage300]

I do not find it likely at all that thousands (perhaps millions) of unrelated and unaware people, of different walks of life, different time frames, and under different and unique circumstances would insist on the same experience. We aren't speaking of some bed time story or long established myth repeated over and over. We are talking about mundane, seemingly completely irrelevant things. Things that no one would have cause to mention or discuss unless there were suddenly a remarkable difference that would draw a person's attention to it.

[@gaz8891]

I agree. I think people are just not looking hard enough. I've spent very little time looking but since yesterday, I've seen 2 thunderbird photos , one of which is a museum reconstruction of the 'extinct' Argentavis magnificiens (enormous condors with 7m wingspan), the other may be the photo that there're looking for (on ScareTheater site, see image at 2.30 on "Cryptids - Thunderbird"). I've also seen 3 photos of pterodactyls, one lying on the ground with hunters around and two of them outstretched on a barn wall. One of these is apparently a reconstruction; the others may be real. We don't need to resort to 'Mandela effect' or magic for explanations.

[@Cherokeeseeker]

I remember it. I don't recall the men being as prominently positioned, but I was paying much more attention to the thunderbird than the men

[@axelgray260]

No u dont