Curtis Yarvin: Welcome to the Dark Enlightenment

[@ruvik.b.l]

i was surprised to see Edward Dutton casually without introduction asking a question like a normal audience member.

[@thadtuiol1717]

That was actually Jimmy White, the old snooker player

[@Cotictimmy]

And Nina Power too - excellent lady.

[@Steve83B]

That was Jolly

[@xexxe]

Utterly awesome

[@TopShelfTheology]

@@Cotictimmy Nina my GIRL

[@AH-ml4vi]

Can't but wonder if some billionaire who wants to be king is paying some marketing agency to pump out this stuff.

[@probrickgamer]

We are trying to get Baron Trump the spot for obvious reasons

[@virtue_signal_]

@@AH-ml4vi what would be the point of doing that?

[@AH-ml4vi]

@@virtue_signal_ The guy is trying to sell a non-democratic vision of an American entrepreneur type running, or more accurately, ruling over America. It's actually a very un-American vision. There are some billionaires around with big egos who may fancy that role for themselves and hope to have the idea planted/promoted by others to try to ease their way in without the pushback that would occur if they openly announced their intentions to lord it over you.

[@virtue_signal_]

@@AH-ml4vi why is it not undemocratic.

[@AH-ml4vi]

You are using a double negative, I will assume you meant why is it undemocratic. He says there are three types of rule Monarchy, Oligarchy and Democracy and he (or his paymasters) are arguing for an all powerful Monarchy. As he himself has labelled democracy and monarchy as separate things he clearly is not arguing for a mere figure head monarch with democracy still intact he instead refers to all powerful rulers.

[@harpermcalpineblack8573]

Contrary to conventional wisdom, Yarvin observes that it is not power that corrupts, but the dispersion of power - which, as he says, is the ancient and classical view. We all know this anyway. If something is important - like an army - you don't run it as a democracy, you put someone in charge. Corporate governance is the same. I've worked in Universities where no one seemed to be in charge - it was much better when the Dean of Faculty was king. Yarvin's whole shtick amounts to that. Powerlessness is leaderlessness, and history says that's bad.

[@Mrs_Puffington]

We need a VERY wise leader then. And since I do not see this on the horizon in any political movement across the world, I'll start by being a good leader for myself.

[@moneypennysloverboy]

Need to know basis through strict hierarchy in army's chain of command removes accountability and risk of conscious informed decision making which would otherwise lead to decline in order executions. Problem with democracy is lack of direct involvement and participation to hold powers accountable and that problem results in corrupt oligarchies. The same problem causes monarchy to turn into tyranny which is communism of 20th century right cries about and tries to tie it to democratic socialism of Sweden, Denmark... today somehow (when right in US is actually calling for those potentially tyrannical systems to deal with oligarchy). Yarvin overvalues efficiency and bureaucracy is just a dirty word, but he fails to account for all the times bureaucracy stopped bad decisions from being efficiently and swiftly executed (one example is EU's GDPR, so you can't spy on people as effectively as in US or China? Good). Fact is that the cases where you need swift decisions made top-down effective immediately are rare and exceptions to ordinary flow of things which works better with functional checks and balances system. "Efficient monarchies" are more often seen in the business/corporate world (of rich) because of the way economy is structured (share holders expecting perpetual profits and growth). That is sick and unsustainable system doomed to collapse exactly because of corporate monarchies being allowed "freedom" to pay politicians for providing them efficient ways of money extraction from poor to rich which enables them to make it good on promises to share holders and keep growth going. I mean economy is good? GDP and stock market going up. Right?

[@alexdavis1541]

Owing to where I have lived and worked for decades I was able to observe how political power in Leicester, and its "sister" city Nottingham, plays out. Owing to differing political decisions that have been made over the past 20 years or so, Leicester is has been run, in effect, by an executive mayor, while Nottingham is run primarily by committee. To me it is clear that the elected "dictator" of Leicester is the much more effective and advantageous for its population. But this relies on the executive being an effective individual. As much as I dislike the Labour party itself I think Leicester, with its Labour mayor, has been quite lucky in this respect. While "democratic" Nottingham, also Labour, struggles. A point I would make with this though is that if the executive of Leicester ever fails, everyone will know who to blame. Not the case in an organisation like the Council at Nottingham. No one can ever be sure who has really been running things. In fact probably no one has been.

[@RedBricksTraffic]

not sure why you feel as thought you can't like it, it sounds like it was valuable to you in your description of it.

[@John-c3u9o]

I don't know where you get that idea that the ancient and classical view argued that dispersion of power corrupted. They thought the opposite. They invented the whole idea of "mixed" constitutions designed to prevent power concentrating in the hands of any one person or class, found both in theory, e.g. Aristotle or Polybius, and in practice, e.g. the constitution of Sparta. The only case concentration of power was required was in states of emergency, when a "dictator" would be appointed.

[@nancydupuis8083]

The set for this program is gorgeous. The bookshelves, sofa, lighting and paint color, just fabulous.

[@russellambrosini5344]

I agree except for the lighting it needed to be softer

[@walterlippmann4361]

Somebody spent some money

[@anthonyvais2]

@@walterlippmann4361 He has a book on Aliens right behind him.

[@ulpana]

Agreed. Cozy and non-distracting set. What is the locale for these UnHerd events? I'm curious about the city, county these events take place in and whether there is a community radio station or network of such like Pacifica Foundation that provides audio streams for live events. Ah, I've followed links to the actual UnHerd Club in Westminster. No money to be flying across the pond from far west coast no less, but will sign up for email notification. Thanks for all you do by way of providing some conversation well worth eaves-dropping on! Keep on doing. Health and Balance, Tio Mitchito Mitch Ritter\Paradigm Sifters, Code Shifters, PsalmSong Chasers Lay-Low Studios, Ore-Wa (Refuge of Atonement Seekers) Media Discussion List\Looksee

[@nowaylon2008]

The system works thus: a 'problem' is identified (real, exaggerated or imagined) and then an industry is established to deal with the problem, which exists in symbiosis with the problem. Thus there are perverse incentives for the industry to maintain and cultivate the problem, rather than deal with it and go out of business.

[@troubadour0663]

Like the fossil fuel companies hampering all meaningful movement away from reliance on fossil fuels.

[@varvarvarvarvarvar]

That was a big Steven Jobs thing, he'd fire the R&D teams without hesitation.

[@AwakenedGoddes]

Equals = war profiteers and the medical system that is ok with poisoning Americans to keep the medical wealth flowing to everyone in that system = corruption and predatory practices under the fake title of “capitalism “ .

[@georgew.hayduke4481]

Praise be to Moldbug for cutting his hair and no longer looking like someone's Birkenstock-wearing uncle.

[@alexanderfreeman2480]

You can tell he cut it all by himself, too.

[@christinethomas6763]

Patronising manner yet interesting 'insider' take on American political life. Very telling disclosures about how 'government by experts' can lead to deleterious policy making and decision taking that the common sense of a sovereign would have avoided from the outset. Was surprised Q&A session a bit tame, had a bit of a 'groupie' feel about it. But very enjoyable to be 'in' on a freewheeling non-prepackaged discussion about nature of politcal life un USA.

[@rancidphilanthropist]

More like Birkenstock-wearing lesbian aunt

[@JoeHeine]

looks like he lost some weight, too.

[@TopShelfTheology]

I think he looks great this way.

[@chaosmos24]

Yarvin looking healthier.

[@alt_account333]

He was a bit chubier wasnt he

[@unclerukmer]

I thought the same thing.

[@blu3_fish869]

he looks way younger

[@justzisguy]

Ozempic. Many such cases.

[@virtue_signal_]

He's off the Kush.

[@alexdavis1541]

Maori conveniently forget the history of the Moriori (of the Chatham Islands - not the Cook Islands) when demanding their version of reparations from the NZ government

[@Harionnn]

Many such cases

[@paulban889]

And why wouldn't they? The suicidally self indulgent luxury of white guilt is a cow begging to be milked by just about any diverse farmer.

[@haprichardson8350]

Ngati Tama and Ngati Mutunga both had treaty settlements in the early 21st century, Your complaint is 20 years too late.

[@alexdavis1541]

@@haprichardson8350 Claims and counter claims regarding this, and the wider issues, will never cease

[@haprichardson8350]

​@@alexdavis1541 True, I would contend that the wider problem come from a lack of understanding that Maori are multiple peoples, the big sovereignty debate that is currently happening was looked at by the tribunal in regards to Nga Puhi nui tonu, and historically they signed a treaty in Maori that stated they would hold chieftainship, the Northern wars were started cause the Governor was not in control of his subjects (British Settlers), the war stopped and the British retreated to Auckland with Nga Puhi getting want they wanted, even as Grey declared victory, Nga Puhi have never accepted a treaty settlement, this is why the tribunal couldn't find any point that sovereignty. was ceded.Does this mean other Iwi maintained sovereignty as Nga Puhi did? That is a case by case basis. The other problem is that most of the commenter on the treaty have not assimilated enough to understand the language it is written in.

[@enzoist1]

the thing about a company like Apple is that it's not innovative because Steve Jobs ran it as a monarchy, but because Steve Jobs had to outcompete Microsoft, RiM, etc. It relies on millions of "votes" from its customers for legitimacy. At the national level, Singapore likewise was trying to get businesses and people to locate there, and China is competing on a world market. Both are reliant on the prosperity that democracies created for their own. North Korea isn't, the USSR tried not to be, and look the results.

[@dougdaniels7848]

Get out of here with your logic... absolute monarchies are utterly flawless forms of government.

[@genericascanbe3728]

So... the Monarchies managed to outcompete the non monarchies in a democratic field, isn't that implying rather that the monarchic/or semi monarchic system is more effective?

@@dougdaniels7848 Nobody claimed this to be true

"Both are reliant on the prosperity that democracies created for their own" Nope, the prosperity was created by monarchical enterprises. Democracy "created" this in the sense that the government happened to be "democratic" and also happened to allow free enterprise. But if the US government had been monarchical at the time, it almost certainly would have allowed free enterprise anyway. The idea that Singapore is "democratic" because it...was competing to get business located there? Absolutely bizarre. You seem to believe that monarchy means totalitarian control over all aspects of society. It doesn't mean that, it means that ultimate power lies with one person at the top of a hierarchy, and that leader can institute laissez-faire or central planning or anything in between.

[@raincadeify]

True and that is part of why this ideology is nonsensical. Also, Apple doesn't command an army, or have citizens so: not like a monarchy.

[@phamnhat2925]

"The absolute ruler may be a Nero, but he is sometimes Titus or Marcus Aurelius; the people is often Nero, and never Marcus Aurelius."

[@giveussomevodka]

Marcus Aurelius lmao, he was the LAST of the Five Good Emperors, because he didn't have the discipline to disown his failed son and adopt some competent citizen as his successor, like those before him had done. Guy is only famous and liked because of his surviving diary, in which he complains how hard it is being roman emperor.

[@Bapuji42]

@user-mx9pt4dr7y anon youtube stranger laughs at...Marcus Aurelius. This is why we can't have nice things.

[@Bapuji42]

@user-mx9pt4dr7y Cool then once you explain what you're laughing at I'll understand and then we can have nice things.

[@Bapuji42]

@user-mx9pt4dr7y So if you explain to me what you're laughing at, I'll understand and then we can have nice things. Right?

[@Bapuji42]

@user-mx9pt4dr7y show me where I said that

[@ARM1NIUS]

America's first flag was a knock-off of the East India Company's flag. America's founders saw the new country as an autonomous corporation. So how long as America been an oligarchy? Since its inception.

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

Which flag was that?

[@qw0ppy98]

You are retarded

[@mrdix660]

He's not as clever as he imagines he is

No, he really is.

[@johnfahey2743]

you nailed it

[@mjm125cash]

He's not….his incessant rambling is mind-numbing

[@gagamba9198]

Wow, you substantiated it very well. You must be... very clever.

[@canteluna]

He's a deluded, dangerous charlatan.

[@Cryptokingbali]

Are the employees of these monarchies allowed to resign and look for another job or start their own business? The question to be asked is, do you have the chance to change your circumstances under such a monarchy? Can you leave and move somewhere else? Or do they shoot you?

[@lowersaxon]

Is not a problem of mon-archy but of every archy represented by a state. If you and I would leave or a few thousand people per year its a „human right“, but if a third of the United States want to leave its seperatism and a casus belli.

[@davidwestwater2219]

​@@lowersaxonyou can leave you.Just can't take the land with you

[@flacjacket]

Monarchy is the only way, democracy disembodies sovereignty such that it becomes an adaptive organism of the social metaenvironment, a sovereign narrative that will inevitably out of necessity invariably reflect what is powerful and only incidentally what is true. That is why every democracy in the world is finding itself increasingly in a legitimacy crisis.

[@hellsonly8908]

Why would a system built on autocracy which is what a monarchy very is want to allow a brain drain?

[@followtheciaence]

Ive seen these types propose that it would be competing monarchies, youd be free to join another

[@gregmurphy8059]

My favorite part of Yarvin's philosophy is that he imagines that he would for some reason be safe in his version of a technocrat oligarch "smartest dictator" world. its like he read Julius Evola and decided the dude was a moderate.

[@grazie-dc6we]

It's the political philosophy of a bullied 12 year old boy

[@ktb1381]

He's got to be trolling us.

[@gregmurphy8059]

@Melon-s8u i do believe the future is going to see a lot of formerly more democratic states becoming more like Singapore (not really prescribing morality to this, just agreeing with Zizek's writings on this), but Singapore got lucky in that they had a leader who was willing to do the things for the right reasons. I don't know if there's anyone capable of doing that in this country. Being the largest GDP in the world, we are corrupted by money. I don't feel good about this idea in the US.

[@jeremybiggs8413]

Yarvin’s tortuous route to getting to his point reminds me of Peterson’s diversions and obscurantism. These diversions allow claims to go unchallenged (for example the idea that everything we have is a product of monarchies - leaving out government’s role in the internet, Wi-Fi systems, NASA etc.)

[@clm652]

All operated as a top down monarchical structure, with taxpayer money. There could have been ten Space X's by now had government allowed it. Government does nothing without first confiscating private citizens money. " Where would the roads come from ?? ". Nonsense. Additionally, Yarvin has been a part of many forums/debates where any challenge is welcome. You seem to be punching air.

[@zornsthorne]

All of those products you attribute governmental bodies were products of the military, the military is run like a monarchy/dictatorship because it cannot afford not to. Also Read up about Roosevelt in ww2 he was for intensive purposed an American monarch like Lincoln. He spoke the government approved and acted. And lest we forget the nasa of today was essentially founded on nazi party members that happened to be the best scientists in the world at the time.

[@joshb6993]

Maybe you have add

[@jeremybiggs8413]

@@joshb6993 maybe, or maybe Yarvin is trying to pull a Judith Butler.

[@MommaLousKitchen]

Peterson is fantastic, used to be even better before the suit and Trump train but....still great.

[@djenkins555]

I don't want to live my life like an Apple employee.

[@astrologerclimatewitness3787]

Thank you .

[@varvarvarvarvarvar]

I think the idea is that plenty of people choose to be Apple's clients

[@piewert787]

@@varvarvarvarvarvarchoose or have very little other option?

[@varvarvarvarvarvar]

@@piewert787 I always ask libertarinos, "did you choose to be born?" And they always come back with annoyed faces. Having few options is fantastic, it makes conversations way easier.

[@Talk378]

You live your life under the thumb of DMV ladies and HR instead.

[@michaelandrewsalomonenewje4107]

This is the kind of guy who sucks up to powerful thugs and enjoys their begrudged protection.

[@McAwesomeDelux]

100% sychophant. He's a cope dealer for people who believe in betters. But, I do try to listen even though I don't agree and have the above sentiments.

[@Bapuji42]

@@michaelandrewsalomonenewje4107 lol no

[@boomerkingsley8780]

Pretty sure that describes every liberal and leftist actually lmfao

[@dtrfgr]

Curtis is brilliant. Really, just ask him, he'll tell you.

[@wolvesetc]

No kidding. I have no doubt he's smart but he's really hard to listen to. He's actually pretty obnoxious. Like I have to stop watching this and I'm not even half way through.

[@bitsandbobs4082]

"I would rather be run by the 1st thousand names in the telephone directory than the Yale faculty" or there about

[@januarysson5633]

That would be a demarchy.

[@lucy-xl7yo]

So says somebody whose never had to worry about who runs their life; for whom this question is a middling, largely aesthetic trifle.. (not that 'the Yale faculty' runs anything other than a Yale faculty)

[@Confucius_76]

That would be terrible

[@bitsandbobs4082]

@@Confucius_76 not my quote of course but I noticed quite a while back that when MSM want to amplify a talking point they quote an opinion poll based on a "1000" e.g. a 1000 students from Cambridge think Brexit a bad idea. 1000 is the brench mark. No one pretends democracy is perfect or wise.....

[@SgtHodl]

That's only because Yale is completely Longhoused

[@theswoletariat3479]

Anthropologists never argued that humans were these peaceful hippies prior to civilization. They pointed out that WITHIN the tribe they tend to be very communistic, which is true. That doesn't mean violence never happened within the tribe. instead the majority of the violence was directed outward

[@Fuk99999]

Uhhh…You literally have some of the most integral names in anthropology arguing exactly that. Gimbutas did not shy away from the idea that Old Europe was like a matriarchal hippie commune prior to the arrival of indo Europeans. This framework of thought is even rooted in Rosseau’s state of nature arguments.

[@JallyJam]

Communistic in the sense they worked together, not in the sense they would let you write poetry while everybody else hunted mammoths

Communistic? What happened to we waz kings??

[@theswoletariat3479]

@@JallyJamyeah that's not what primitive communism means

[@MaximusTCR]

Really? They've argued that transgendered caveman existed because they found one buried the wrong way.

[@mojojojo1529]

The question he consistently avoided answering is what kind of life can the average person expect to have under a monarchy. And we know the answer to this question: an absolutely shitty life of poverty and submission. All of his examples of the great achievements of monarchies are achievements of the empire as a whole, the beneficiaries of which are the monarchs and their entourage. I'd rather have a society achieve less to the benefit of everyone, than achieve more to the benefit of a few.

[@misterdemocracy3335]

I’m so disappointed that modern literacy is so limited that people can’t see through flowery language. If they are at all sympathetic their only choice is to believe what he’s saying or watch another video about cats.

[@stanleyshannon4408]

Of course, the more everyone you include the less everyone is going to get anyway. It's a prescription for infinite social and economic chaos. There must be limits on numbers and diversity. Small populations with common history and traditions is the only workable formula.

[@skaterdudeabides]

Yeah Singapore is a terrible place to live.

[@Houshalter]

As opposed to the perfect system of democracy, where everyone votes for their neighbors' stuff until it's all gone.

[@jacksonmcdonald5443]

@@stanleyshannon4408 the pie can be infinitely large, you just have to choose that to be the case. wealth re-distribution shouldn't be a dirty word because wealth distribution is not some naturally occurring phenomenon. it started out as re-distribution, and we can re-distribute it again, as many times as we want in fact. there is no set in stone way it should be.

[@michigandersea3485]

Yarvin makes a lot of interesting observations, but they don't actually seem to lead to the conclusions that he draws from them. To take one major issue: He's wrong that an absolute monarch "can't be bribed by more power". There are always minor power brokers in a society and if not placated, they can resist the king in ways that are hard to perceive, or cause him to be overthrown. While absolute monarchs and dictators often try to weaken the minor power brokers, or just kill them off (Stalin), it never quite succeeds. Not only that, many absolute monarchs don't try to micromanage every aspect of policy, and their failure to micromanage can blow up in their faces. Many kings/monarchs/leaders just don't care about certain issues, so they let minor power brokers set the policy, who often care about a policy for corrupt reasons, but don't care about the benefit of the state as a whole. We need more individual, non-collective leadership. Every level of government should have a strong-leader structure where the leaders have skin in the game. Firing or demoting these leaders should be mandatory if they fail to meet specific standards/achieve specific objectives. Those who continually succeed should be elevated. Instead, in the USA we fire nobody. The prevailing attitude is "leadership is hard, give them a break". The incompetence enabled by this philosophy has reached extreme levels here in Chicago.

[@chaosmos24]

He started flying too close to the sun at the end there.

[@oleksii7899]

Almost exposed his true power levels.

[@aesop1451]

@@oleksii7899True power level? He’s not David Irving or Nick Fuentes.

[@boomerkingsley8780]

@@aesop1451oh you mean he isnt a fed?

[@chrisc7265]

St Floyd is spinning in his golden coffin

[@aesop1451]

@@boomerkingsley8780 Brilliant way of sidestepping the issue. Replace Fuentes with David Duke if you like. Are you philosemitic?

[@siddhartha_1]

KZbin videos like this are a rorschach test. People saying exact opposite things in the comments, angry about opposite things they believe the guest believes.

[@angelozachos8777]

Human beings are irrational 🤷‍♂️

[@edmunddengler7687]

I would argue that Yarvin does not believe in monarchy, he believes in the managerial class, which has been shown to be utterly corrupt and incompetent.

[@VisionClearly]

💯

No, he supports a single leader having the power, which is the opposite of a class of people. And the class that rules TODAY is incompetent and corrupt. The competent people are CEOs in silicon valley at the top of hierarchical organizations.

[@edmunddengler7687]

@@roddeazevedo A professional CEO is a managerial class idea (I have developed a number of ideas on running a business, and a separation between owner/operator and professional management is a clear distinction). A caste system would be more along the lines of monarchy, as usually caste systems are oriented around lineage and have difficulty in people moving between castes. It could be the case that his ideas would eventually result in a caste system, but I don't think that is what he is arguing for, more like shareholders voting in a CEO.

[@Sean-n7j]

he literally spent most of the time saying the opposite... complaining about the tendencies of bureaucracies and expert classes

[@Sean-n7j]

tbc, what you are calling the managerial class is what he was criticizing. I wont accept any abstract redefinition as that would be a clear bait and switch. gg.

[@warumbel]

Dude does condescension really well, it's almost like stand up comedy. Except that he's sitting down.

[@danh2094]

Can you explain what he is condescending about? It just didn't register to me. Was too busy listening to the message.

[@contrastprinciple4389]

Listen to his other interviews, yeah he can come across as condescending, on the other hand, he is a great listen and one smart cookie in terms of political science.

[@easternwind4435]

It's a tease, intellectuals used to be more combative back in the day and he tries to bring it back.

[@johnclark546]

Do you know who HG Wells is? Do you know the monarch can…? He is talking to an educated woman. He might want to come out of his ivory tower and learn who he is talking with. Why people loath academics.

[@nejafeja]

I was about to say the same, so condescending

[@JohnMinehan-lx9ts]

Actually, it was not quite the Democracy in the peak sense, as Socrates was executed by the next government . . . .

[@alexanderfuchs8742]

roosevelt didnt choose truman, he endorsed henry wallace. truman was picked by a rival faction in the democratic party

[@FOXTROTSKYOMEGA]

Disastrously true.

[@M0oranshi]

Oh look it's Yarvin, the intellectual powerhouse that rivals Dwight Schrute. How is his software project going, does it compare yet to second life where his profile matches Kylo Ren and he is the overlord? Or is it still bugging because nerd can't even code.

[@M0oranshi]

@@gyrate98 How's yours? I'm thinking wasting your time ass kissing some rando online for some worshippy reason leaves little time

[@RandomName-re8vk]

It's ironic that Curtis Yarvin is saying that Europe should be left to govern themselves as they want, but when it comes to America and our own, we need an absolute monarch because we don't know any better. He's so blind to his own logical contradictions, it's a miracle he's had a following at all. You can see the faulty argument for yourself from 52:40 and onwards. Everything he talks about stems from a deep misunderstanding of how international relations and geopolitics works. The reason why we tend to push for democracies (not always, but mostly) around the planet is explained by Truman Doctrine. More democracies mean less wars and open markets. He also makes the argument that monarchs are free from perverse incentives, which history has shown time and again is not the case. Dude is so full of himself despite being so dumb.

[@AH-ml4vi]

2nd sleight of hand, he uses Apple and its CEO as an example of a successful ruler, the host questions Steve Jobs behaviour and points out Apple's treatment of worker's in China. He pivots to address the problems with Chinese rule and fails to address Steve Jobs treatment of his 'subjects'.

[@iankclark]

Well just vote for Mamala then. Excellence or equity: pick one.

[@mouthofpower8492]

You’re a total retard. Apple employees are some of the most generously compensated people on earth, Apple has objectively great products and software, and this was all despite (and often directly due to) failings in their once in a lifetime 2 time ruler. Hundreds of millions of people would kill for any slice of that prestige and wealth. An incredible success story of monarchy, similar to Toyota, SpaceX, Tesla, bitcoin, etc etc

[@dougdaniels7848]

"Look at your iPhone. It's absolutely amazing. It's made by a company called Apple. Apple is like a monarchy. Therefore, monarchies are ideal forms of government." This would be hilarious if this kind of "thinking" wasn't threatening to become mainstream.

[@BookofFuture]

Apple is governed by a board of directors which actually can hire and fire the CEO. It’s closer to being a representative democracy or oligarchy. This guy should be dismissed as a quack.

[@knowledgeispower2488]

Its run like a monarchy in a sense the CEO has the absolute power in all key decision making. Its similar to a king that if people lose faith, the shareholders and investors will boot the CEO out and there will be a revolution. There is far less competing interest in apple to get the funding to pocket funding like the scientist example. You are out of your depth

[@LS-xs7sg]

So encouraging to see race realists like Professor Dutton accepted onto fairly mainstream platforms. Even being allowed to ask a question and the fact that Yarvin knows him.

[@easternwind4435]

They did an interview

[@brianmeen2158]

Are there any race realists in academia?

[@LS-xs7sg]

@@brianmeen2158 Worldwide there are. Publicly in Britain there was Noah Carl but he got "cancelled". As did James Watson. There hundreds whose research and statements would imply that they are "race realists" though nobody would actually come out and say it in these terms. If you believe in evolution then you obviously have to agree that there will be meaningful genetic differences between individuals and meaningful genetic differences between groups divided by time and geography.

[@daemoncluster]

You sound like a fuckin' idiot, lol. All you have to do is look at othe mammilian species and you'll see that color differienates for survival purposes. A small bird may inherit the colored feathers of its surrounding dessert environment in order to evade prey. This does not mean that it is superior or inferior to other types of birds within the same taxonomy. It just means it adapted to survive that environment. The color of human skin is adapted to sun exposure. Claiming that you're superior because of this isn't science. It's an inferiority complex.

[@Joe-sg9ll]

​@@LS-xs7sgabsolutely bewildering

[@brettmatthews8061]

Only a person who has never lived in a monarchy would conflate a CEO and a monarch. I hope for Curtis' sake he never has to learn the difference the hard way.

[@letsRegulateSociopaths]

When the church removes his (________), then he will see the difference...

[@JB-lovin]

I dislike everything about this man.

[@thegall-eh6mm]

He's not a man dude. He's a fucking turd with a love of cheap glasses and shitty junior high philosphy right out of a basement meth haze. Fuck those techbro cunts.

[@Lascts25]

Ed Dutton in the house!

[@c.deg.7982]

And Nina Power.

[@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp]

Ed Dutton is an out and out charlatan

[@winstonsblues]

The thing Yarvin misses in his love affair with power over populations is the moment those populations no longer need him. They all missed it and are so busy ensuring their own relevancy that it would hardly matter if they noticed. Monarchy, democracy, oligarchy, these are all methods of coercion. Humanity cannot fulfill its destiny until the methods of coercion are left behind. Yarvin is in the broader sense then a conservative of concentrated power, a believer in the need to dominate the majority of individuals. In short, a baddie.

[@konberner170]

You left out how the shareholders vote for board members. In my view, it is not correct to call a company where the 51% shareholder is running it a corporation. It is a sole proprietorship, and this is not a popular business structure for large businesses that make things like iPhones.

[@uncircumcisedcircus]

But as a PUBLIC company goes further and further down the shareholder road (democracy) it is closer to filing bankruptcy. Thats why he says countries/governments should operate more like a startup company.

[@FraserBailey-jm5yz]

I think Curtis is substantially correct in his analysis of the US as an oligarchy. But I cannot accept that the people in the State Dept are more intelligent than Trump, given that everything they do leads to military and human disaster.

[@kjell744]

For the US and Ukraine not for themself or their friends in the industrial military complex.

[@presterjohn1697]

It appears the market is deciding US war policy.

[@seanoreilly915]

He made some interesting points, but I couldn't get past the condescending, know it all vibe.

[@SudoDama]

I would say they have good hardware, but bad software.

[@januarysson5633]

It’s not even about intelligence level. The president of the United States is the elected head of the executive branch of the American government. He may not be a monarch over the whole country but he is a monarch over the executive apparatus of government and needs to act that way if the rule of the swamp is to ever be put to an end.

[@WellActualllyyy]

i love how he talks about the incredible achievement of creating the iphone while completely ignoring the fact that all of the tech in it came from the government and would never in a million years have been created privately because of the risks involved

[@FraserBailey-jm5yz]

Kudos to Curtis for referring to Victor Klemperer, I have read Klemperer's diaries, and so should everyone else.

[@MrMark595]

Yes, eztraordinary writing. Hypochrondiac as fuck though.

[@gabydareau]

He’s clearly at a loss when it comes to seeing what could move humanity beyond all of these egoistic power struggles, because he hasn’t yet realised that true power is within each individual and already collectively shared. Realising this is what leads to progress through collaboration not competition.

[@angelozachos8777]

He is godless This is how “they” think 🤷‍♂️

[@Fuk99999]

“Within each individual” Individuals are nothing without a people. And a people are chickens without heads in the absence of leaders

[@icecreamforcrowhurst]

@@angelozachos8777Exactly.

[@candyjacket]

@@angelozachos8777nailed it 🤍

[@FraserBailey-jm5yz]

I have seen some Curtis interviews in which he goes off into la-la land and loses me, but this interview remains much more on point, much more relevant, and on the whole I agree with all his analyses.

[@paddykiernanmusic]

Yep, definitely sharper than usual.

[@peterhardie4151]

It depends who he is talking too I think.

[@aesop1451]

He’s a libertarian that read Hoppe. Pinochet is his politics in practice. He works for homo Peter Thiel. He’s an atheist monarchist and friends with Zionist Bronze Age Pervert.

[@Bapuji42]

@@FraserBailey-jm5yz Maybe he's just deducting 15 IQ points from his presumed audience i.e. you.

[@farmtech-vn9ew]

​@@Bapuji42 No he does struggle with keeping things focused a lot of the time. "Um um um, yeah yeah yeah, you know - ". Inability to stay on topic doesn't mean you're a genius, but it also doesn't mean you're an idiot either. Speaking is a skill. He's much better a keeping things on topic in this one, and his public speaking skills are *significantly* improved here. I wonder if he has a coach or something? It is true that he's really just repeating the most basic versions of his points that he made literally over a decade ago at this point. But it take a long time and lot of repetition to deprogram people of their false mythologies.

[@corny5128]

It's ancient wisdom that the best and most effective form of government is a benign monarchy ie, a monarch who has the well being of his people as his number one priority.

[@nosouponhead]

The idea that a company is a monarchy is just one of those things that's so easily argued against that I'm surprised Yarvin still says it. I can change employers; I can't change kings.

[@maxonheadrick9339]

You can move countries. It might upset your king. But you can do it as long as another king accepts you. Same way with employers sooo, i think a company is a monarchy.

[@joaorobalo7594]

How is the ability to leave the country define in any way shape or form whether or not it is a monarchy, oligarchy or democracy? Would a king that permitted free emigration stop being a king? Would an electorate that voted to restrict emigration stop being a democracy? Maybe something feels easy to argue against because you don't fully understand it.

[@thomazprimoalves7025]

I'm sure that sounded really smart in your own head, buddy.

[@mmhoss]

"I can't change kings" is lazy, powerless, and ahistorical. As if all kings stand in power for all eternity and have never been replaced.

[@juanme555]

You are vastly overestimating the degree to which you can actually change employers.

[@zacharyjohnson4425]

So far (38:15): Of all the things that I have watched or listened to on the internet, this is one of the few things I can list as a nearly complete waste of time. Humanity should be ashamed that this person is posing as, and held up to be, some kind of intellectual. I have heard more wisdom from insane homeless people on the streets. This is like a trump speech without the so-called "weave", which is then put through a blender

[@Capt.Thunder]

As a monarchist myself, I find it exceedingly triggering that he conflates monarchy 1 to 1 with corporations. Corporate CEO holds no bonds of loyalty or blood or sentimentality of his employees and is often incentivised to screw his employees over because they have no ability to rebel outside of what the state provides for. Nor is it a legacy for the CEO in the same way as a kingdom is. Deeply cringe, monarchy is far more than basic hierarchy ffs.

[@mirkovic]

The ULTIMATE OLYGARCH... this is a joke... the West is basically screwed following headless cockaroaches into oblivion...

[@cfroi08]

He's speaking to Americans so he has to dumb things down. He does conflate dictators to monarchs which is deeply incorrect.

[@Capt.Thunder]

@@cfroi08 yeah he's speaking in managerial language that cringe neoliberal elites can understand. Doesn't prevent it from being triggering though.

[@rjg6139]

He recognises the usefulness and need for spiritual capital in the last question, but as an atheist finds difficulty in proposing a legitimising spiritual mythos to uphold a modern monarch. He quotes the idea Roman Gods were true to the populace, false to the philosophers, and useful to magistrates. The countless examples of rulers attempting to represent a people is crucial at the very least. If they don't, they're viewed as plutocrats. A century after 1066, you notice British born Normans attaching themselves to English identity, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha becoming Windsor etc. Divine right just isn't as legitimising as it once was nor is bloodline. Nayib Bukele is the son of a Palestinian Muslim-Christian convert while his Mother remains Catholic. Grating to some but I doubt most Salvadorians care enough when weighed against his positive actions as a pseudo-Monarch.

@@cfroi08 He's literally speaking to Britons in a country with a "real" monarchy that has completely failed.

[@kimcarsons7036]

the way he slips George Floyd and Martin Luther King into the same sentence as though they are in any way commensurate. unnerving, sick and twisted.

[@ytsm]

You're correct, they are not commensurate, and I think that's the point he was making? At least, that's how I understood it.

[@kimcarsons7036]

@@ytsm I don't think so. He didn't elaborate on King, and it seems pretty clear King and Floyd are for Yarvin, part of same romanticm that the left are spellbound with. There IS a critique to be made here, but for Yarvin he makes little or no distinction between the two.

[@Confucius_76]

oh get off your high horse

[@kimcarsons7036]

@@Confucius_76 Funny. Yarvin is the personification of one who questions regimes of thought - but sure you do you and be a good obedient slave.

[@augcaes]

“Unnerving.” Here’s some chamomile.

[@peterhardie4151]

The Fauci/Newland - Legolas/Gimli joke was good.

[@zakvezir134]

Be careful what you wish for. Most of the time you don't want government to be strongly moving in one direction. You want them to let people be. There's a reason Romans wanted dictators only in times of emergencies. What works in a start up, or in time of war isn't necessarily a good way for government for normal peace time.

[@boomerkingsley8780]

The Romans loved dictatorship so much they overthrew their senate slaughtered its supporters and installed an Emperor

[@dougdaniels7848]

"If we disperse authority, for example by giving power to a group of experts, then we are corrupting a bunch of people because power corrupts. But if we condense power into a single person, like in an absolute monarchy, then that person can't be corrupted because he has all the power." This man is a fucking CLOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWNNNNNN.

[@Arminian100]

Imagine believing that silicone valley startups are run well. 😳 😂 What a dunce.

[@mrpipps90]

When did he say that?

[@Bapuji42]

@@mrpipps90 Some of them are certainly run well. See: Apple, eBay, Facebook, Google, etc. That's what he's talking about. The point being: try to think of any organization with that level of influence and success that is run like the Federal government. Many startups fail, but only a top-down organization can ever work.

[@raincadeify]

@@mrpipps90 He filibusters so much it would be a challenge to find him saying this in this particular "conversation", but if you're familiar with his idea of how governments should be run as monarchies, similar to big businesses with the "king" position actually being it's CEO. Therefore, he considers if we ran the US like Apple, tossing the Constitution and the democracy part, we would be better off.

[@hellsonly8908]

@@raincadeify Because he is so up his own ass he believes he would be part of the Second Estate in the reincarnated ancien régime

[@raincadeify]

@@roddeazevedo Do you know what "gratuitous" means, cuz if so, where's my check?

[@letsRegulateSociopaths]

Say a CEO is a king (how? They are constrained by law), then say we need to be ruled by king. So no escaping your boss...EVER? I don't think you could come up with a scenario more likely to cause Amazon to run out of pitchforks...

[@mh4zd]

I don't know where this guy is going or coming from, but I think maybe his response to you would be that our fear of having to every once and a while order those pitchforks has led to a state that's absurd and internally corruptive. In his favor, our polemics seem to get ever more absurdist and convoluted. You CAN escape that boss. If it matters enough.

[@mh4zd]

I don't know where this guy is going or coming from, but I think maybe his response to you would be that our fear of having to every once and a while order those pitchforks has led to a state that's absurd and internally corruptive. In his favor, our polemics seem to get ever more absurdist and convoluted. You CAN escape that boss. If it matters enough.

[@nobody.special.basically]

As Covid emerged here in Washington state, our governor declared sleepovers and pick-up basketball games strictly off-limits. Every restaurant and hotel was closed at the stroke of a pen. A few months later, he and his wife told us it would be too dangerous to gather with our families for Thanksgiving. For over two years the governor, with the blessings of his party and his emergency powers, was permitted to act as a monarch. This was the case in the majority of the states during the pandemic. Self-government, liberty, democracy-these are, in the United States, things of the past because few resisted.

[@ragnarredbeard2592]

Also from Washington here.

[@DiamondLil]

You sound like a Californian. I live in the free state of Idaho and went about my life as usual. The only limitations were at local hospitals and clinics, which enforced masked wearing.

[@angelozachos8777]

@@DiamondLil You missed the point entirely 🤦‍♀️

[@unclerukmer]

What part of WA do you live in? Because I think a lot of people west of the Cascades were in favor at that.

[@DiamondLil]

@@angelozachos8777 How so? What did I miss? I simply noted that there were some states who didn't go down that rabbit hole.

[@mortygoldmacher]

WARNING - Severe abuse of the word "monarchy" .

[@slim-j1z]

Not really. Monarchy literally means "one ruler"

[@russv.winkle8764]

Yarvin is a mystery to me, I don't see how his neo-reactionary view is any different than ad hoc, technocratic, utilitarianism? How's the 'cathedral ' not already centralized, bureaucratic, kingship...?

[@aesop1451]

That’s the trick. He’s trying to convince young right-wingers that it’s subversive to want rich billionaires like Peter Thiel to behave like monarchs.

[@prlostinshadows]

Ive beem trying to work this out. Surely the Cathedral is a monarchy using "democracy" as shadow puppetry for the masses

[@ametora1231]

because its not. who is the monarch in the current US system?

[@VisionClearly]

​@@aesop1451, as a conservative, that trick is clever.

The bureaucracy is deeply uncentralized. No individual has any real power, its dispersed amongst a sprawling bureaucracy, courts, colleges, the media etc. No REALLY, who is the monarch in the current system? Who? Give me a single name (and if it's "Joe Biden" then you're clueless). It's almost impressive how poorly you understand things.

[@Confucius_76]

Uncle Yarv was on form. He's getting better at public speaking

[@JBActors]

Wow. This is an improvement? Wow.

[@Bapuji42]

Do you mean Saint Yarvin?

[@Bapuji42]

@@JBActors Wow. Just wow. Wowzers. Holy Wow, Batman.

[@dustinbowersock1042]

Umm. ummm. Umumumummmm. Um.

[@Confucius_76]

@@JBActors Wowzers. Yeah. Some people aren't good at public speaking but still can make great intellectual contributions to society

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

I've never been more unimpressed by an Unherd guest. It's just a guy saying "You know that thing that definitely ISN'T Monarchy? Well... it IS monarchy when it suits me, but it isn't monarchy when it doesnt. Also, y'know actual monarchies? Well they're not actually monarchies when it doesn't suit me."

[@foljs5858]

it's as if he understands actual nuance and how some things can be what they pretend to be in name only

[@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat]

@@foljs5858 It's more like he spouts off a kind of fan-fiction version of history, reality buttered up with loaded language like "foundation *myth*" that sounds nice if you just don't think about it too hard. Like... "there were no good guys in WWII."?? I get why he finds this edgy sort of teenage rebellion historical counter-programming stuff sexy, it's extremely trendy right now. But just think about the realities of that statement for half a second. Then he says "oh well it's the Marvel version of WWII where we joined the war to stop the H." And it's like... no one thinks that... that's not taught in ANY history class. Everyone who knows the history knows about Churchill's maneuvering before the war. They know about Roosevelt's private opinions before he finds an excuse to join. This is taught in any half-decent AP US history class. This isn't like some counter cultural "re-examining of history." It's fully included in the heroic version of the story. He's just kind of pretending the elementary school version of the story is also the grown-up one. Then just ignoring any detail or enormously important factors that don't support his little story. It's a very cute little story, for sure, but a cute story doesn't stop the Americans and Russians and British, French, Poles, Czechs, Danes, Greeks, everyone who fought to stop that out of control leviathan, it doesn't stop them being heroes for what they sacrificed to save this world. Go stand in Arlington Cemetery and say they aren't heroes.

[@sickboy4029]

He's using the classical definitions of monarchy, oligarchy, & democracy as put forward by Aristotle and Machiavelli. I'm sure you're smart, but I'll stick with the historical geniuses on forms of government.

[@kurt.wilkinsongardendesign]

Unherd must ha e some really amazing guests?

[@brianmeen2158]

YArvin is one of those supposed intellectuals that I don’t enjoy listening to

[@ciarancarroll5888]

People are instinctually monarchist because we are psychologically neotenic. When you learn about neoteny and deduce naturally that the evolutionary pattern doesn't simply apply to morphology, but psychology, a lot of things make sense.

[@dehenry2]

neoteny will blow your mind open. Read up friends. My recommend is The Genius of Dogs by Brain Hare

[@johnsmith1474]

But you can't explain those things in written form?

[@alexdavis1541]

@@johnsmith1474 Desmond Morris did a pretty good job in his popular books of the 1970s

[@ciarancarroll5888]

​@@johnsmith1474 I pointed you in the right direction. Google, KZbin, and the rest of the internet is your willing slave.

[@tallard666]

Humans adults are not neotenous!

[@lisarand9701]

One of the smartest people I ever knew who happened to be my history teacher on Wars 1 and 2 answered a fellow student's proclamation that " democracy is the best! " with stating that actually the best form of government was a " Benevolent Monarchy " ! the " Good King " . I never forgot that.

[@Kalle88819]

Do I really want to spend an hour on Curtis Yarvin?

[@nicholasfevelo3041]

He plays the same notes in recent interviews

[@HeyLiem]

The hostess is correct, the problem with monarchy, (as in Chinese Apple factory suicide nets), is it's really a dictatorship, and a dictatorship usually, eventually, makes sadistic people in charge, abusing their authority without having to answer to anyone above. It's sort of like in Star Wars, the Sith, everybody's living a paranoid life, and even if there's just two people in charge, they're paranoid that the other is going to execute them at some point soon.

[@mhballa5866]

No you are confusing monarchy and dictatorship. dictatorship is a fundamentally democratic result which can be seen by the fact it was a legitimate office during roman times declared during crisis. dictatorship is the result of dysfunction of democracy/revolution no one can put Hitler , Stalin , Mao (all dictators) with Queen Elizabeth I , Frederic the Great , Louis XIV the sun king

[@antonnnio6901]

I disagree. If you have two people in charge, one of them will try to bury the other after every electoral cycle. The only way to avoid this is to have a sovereign above the two. I'm not a big expert in US Politics, though it if feels like there is something above the president. Probably that's how an oligarchy works.

[@ferran9677]

Life is just like in star wars hollywood movie

[@LlopmondDunderbridge-nn2xt]

@@mhballa5866 Louis XIV let his own people starve while he got fat on excess and thew fkin soirees. He might as well have been a commie dictator. He is almost exactly like Kim Jong Un but without the comedy value.

[@natmanprime4295]

"bumbling pseudo king with orange hair" insulting her to her face! the NERVE lol

[@aaronlee9677]

"Hey Apple makes great phones! I wonder what would happen if we gave Tim Cook absolute authority! I'm sure nothing bad will ever happen!"

[@twogermanys]

Gotta love the sell of managerialism 2.0, we're the good juice not like those baddies...

[@aesop1451]

That’s the dialectic. “Good” ZOA vs the “bad” ADL. “Based” Sheldon Adelson vs “cringe” George Soros.

[@Joe-sg9ll]

1:09:10

[@fenrisunbound8891]

Luckily for us, bad ideas packaged with good ones can be separated from such, and he popularized a lot of good ideas.

[@Bapuji42]

@@twogermanys What he's talking about is the *opposite* of managerialism.

[@fenrisunbound8891]

@@Bapuji42 Many people describe his viewpoint as the perfection of the German ideology minus the armbands and salute, and yet people want to undermine him for some reason.

[@Normanx964]

Americas oligarchy is called the "Committee of 300" by some.

[@johnl5316]

The states of the USA were originally not "quasi independent countries" as he claimed. They became independent countries, all 13 of them. Their existence is not and was not an "experiment in democracy", as he claimed.

[@roberto7711]

as the German journalist Sebastian Haffner said, " we would be wise to believe them-they mean precisely what they say."

[@dougdaniels7848]

"Louis XIV would never have approved of gain of function research, thereby preventing COVID. Therefore, absolute monarchies are the best form of government." This guy is full of wisdom like this.

[@danh2094]

Well if this is all you have to go by maybe. The guy's pretty interesting if you read him. But its always easier to just dismiss right of the bat.

[@Bapuji42]

Hey, cool, you boiled what he said down to something your 115 IQ can assimilate. Keep truckin' buddy!

[@davethebrahman9870]

Yarvin isn’t always correct, but he has all the right enemies.

[@cs.0903]

Of course monarchy is the natural organization of human tribes. There always have to be leaders and leadership and direct democratic would be total chaos. But what a lot of people seem to forget is that monarchy used to be based on meritocracy (the king used to be the best warrior of the tribe) and the goodwill of the tribe and not inherited. Today power and wealth are predominantly inherited.

[@Coromi1]

Pirates voted their bosses into office, and the boss got max. twice the income of his pirates. Kings' leadership was based on possession and the support of the church, not on meritocracy. Kings are not natural.

[@misterkittyandfriends1441]

The root of monarchy is really that the king, having access to the wealth and power of the state, is most free to act justly for the people in a dispassionate way. He already "won the game" in his society, he already has power and wealth, so he is free to focus solely on justice and charity for the people. Where monarchy went wrong IMO is that with exploration and colonialism, the monarch became addicted to growing the power and wealth of the state (their personal power) into empire because it was low cost / high reward. Basically, it wasn't the amount of power that was the problem, it was the temptation to turn the objective of the monarch into easily acquiring more power.

[@Coromi1]

@@misterkittyandfriends1441 A high amount of power normally comes with the objective to acquire more power. Back then with kings and right now with billionaires and corporations. And no, the kings were not safe, they had to wrestle the church, other kings and aspirants to the throne. And they didn't do justice and charity for their people like freeing peasants or fighting poverty or a high child death rate.

[@misterkittyandfriends1441]

@@Coromi1 I was really correcting you on your assertion that the right to rule was based on power or something. It's not even that way in most stable tribes - its based on the availability of justice and charity within the monarch, unless the monarch is a tyrant, at which point the system becomes unstable until he is replaced. However none of what you said at the end was true... By the time market economics were identified (the only mechanism to reduce poverty beyond extraction of wealth from foreigners), it was generally a reform pushed by countries with monarchs. It's important to disassociate monarchy with the industrial revolution - no form of government can match the industrial revolution for material improvement, but material improvement is not the same as charity. Also, somehow communism came out of the anti-monarchist movement, which inverts all of it and generates both poverty and injustice.

[@uncircumcisedcircus]

From the household to the military.

[@Bakarost]

America doesnt need a king. Just an God Emperor.

[@maniplefringe]

I can't really 'like' this video, although it is absolutely compelling. People should hear more of this kind of unorthodox reasoning as it immediately makes one aware of one's presuppositions and more importantly, makes one question certain deeply held values viscerally. This questioning is highly illuminating as it throws into relief what one really experiences as true in one's own world view.

[@MommaLousKitchen]

President as a ceremonial monarch is actually pretty accurate imo.

[@voswouter87]

He confuses business with monarchy, which are prettty much opposites. Because a monarchy, like any government, has the right to commit crime. Which is a far more important attribute than how centralized influence is. In a business that influence is earned through merit because nobody has a right to commit crime.

[@commonwunder]

@voswouter87 Have you mentioned any of your ideas to the pharmaceutical or food industries in the US?

[@LoafingMushroom]

Governments can't commit crimes.

[@ametora1231]

you must not be familiar with corporations

[@voswouter87]

@@ametora1231 A government fiction to shield people from accountability. Has nothing to do with the free market.

[@stevendouglas3781]

The argument isn’t about what would be an awesome or perfect system, it’s about creating government based on how the world actually works. If there is a goal that needs to be achieved that is always organized as a monarchy. When results are more important than ide0logy, hierarchy emerges. Yarvin simply wants results to be the goal of governance.

[@newtonfinn164]

This guest fails to realize that talent can, and often does, diverge from virtue, as intelligence often diverges from wisdom. It was during the lifespan of my generation that "the best and brightest" f*cked everything up.

[@danh2094]

How did he fail to realize that?

[@JHimminy]

They weren’t “the best and the brightest.” That was political marketing. (It was “the New Look” under Eisenhower)

[@davidkey4272]

You need to listen again, that is his whole point. "Oligarchy" is loaded to mean a virtueless few.

[@TheNotebartello]

techno-fascist oligarchy! oligarchy + technocracy

[@Lascts25]

Everyone should read “open letter to an open-minded progressive” Extremely interesting perspective on the revolutionary war, as it appears being dislodged from the progressive eschatological worldview

[@aesop1451]

Everyone should read Curtis Yarvin’s “early life history” on Wikipedia

[@moonsonate5631]

00:03 Exploring the idea of authority and monarchy 02:30 Democracy without politics 07:00 Critique of the political system 09:26 Decentralized power may lead to unified power under a strong monarch. 14:15 Personal decisions of Biden and Trump influenced events like the Afghanistan withdrawal 16:34 FDR's regime operated as a monarchy 20:40 The Manhattan Project was the most effective engineering project executed like a Silicon Valley startup. 22:43 Describes a CEO-like philosophy in government 27:05 Democracy involves capable people not in charge 28:57 Perception of the USSR as paradise and the analogy with libertarianism 32:56 The symbolism of kingship in modern politics 34:58 Real regime changes impact everyone's life significantly. 39:14 Lessons from Fauci's anointment in America 41:17 Scientific funding influences research direction 45:22 Concerns about manipulating bat viruses for research 47:12 Virology incentive was to invent dangerous viruses 51:13 Evaluation based on attire is insightful 53:07 The impact of the presidency on Washington is significant 57:31 Gorbachev's doctrine of non-intervention in Soviet satellite states 59:20 Comparison of policy change impact 1:03:32 Discussion on the instability of hippie impulse in a evolved society 1:05:31 The role of religion and ideology in political theory 1:09:47 The coordination of opinion around myths in society 1:11:58 Constructing in a world of mockery and atheism Crafted by Merlin AI.

[@AndyJarman]

What a thoroughly obnoxious person. I lived under the rule of an autocrat, the late President of the UAE Sheikh Zayad Bin Sultan Al Nayan. He was largely benevolent but somewhat limited in his ability to comprehend both his people AND the limitations of where he stood. He has bequeathed a remarkably enlightened nation to his descendants, but I don't think one person can comprehend the complexity or the means of governing the modern state.

[@donkeychan491]

It's always said that modern states are complex and hence require massive bureaucracies to manage them. However much of this complexity is the result of the bureaucracies themselves, who are incentivized to create as much needless complexity as possible. As Milei in Argentina is demonstrating, there comes a point when it is better to just dismantle the bureaucracies and start again, leaving as much as possible to individuals operating freely within a market system, with only the most essential and core functions being left to the state.

[@DamienWalter]

If you are interviewing a guest who makes this ridiculous category fudge of "monarchy" and you don't debunk them, you lose all credibility.

[@staninjapan07]

This is the first time I have heard this man. Though I think he makes some interesting points, and said one or two profound things, it seemed to me that he was a bit more interested in self-aggrandizing. Perhaps it's just how he came across to me.

[@wolvesetc]

Not just you. This guy is dripping in arrogance and self adulation

[@praxis8304]

Curtis: “Have you heard of HG Wells? Flo: “You know, we do go to school here.” 😂

[@SacClass650]

A salient point when put into other words: Humans are born universally with a proneness toward virtue; not Freedom. We are born out of, and into, the restraints of an efficacious _contingency_ - contrary to the liberal idea of Freedom. This is what I find interesting and helpful in Yarvin's observations.

[@sergeshmash2171]

Anyone who's had children ir taught in primary schools knows this is absolute nonsense. A human's 'proneness' is to self, self-satisfaction and 'me-ism'...they have to be taught virtue.

[@SacClass650]

@@sergeshmash2171 We have the capacity for vice and virtue. The issue is maximizing the participation in the latter, while disposing of the former. Our "proneness" is in other words our capacity. Indeed, what you list exists in opposition to what it is not!

[@sergeshmash2171]

@@SacClass650 well, no, proneness does not mean capacity. Proneness is what we tend to do, what we are prone to do...in other words the default position. Toddlers don't need to lie, that are prone to do it, for example, to avoid getting in trouble. However, they do need to be taught to not lie and tell the truth. Of course, the teaching won't work if our actions don't follow suit.

[@SacClass650]

@@sergeshmash2171 It necessarily encompasses both-a capacity and a proneness-we have a natural proneness toward having the virtues. It exists in opposition to the propensity you have outlined, and vice versa. (The issues arise in our participation, and frameworks therein. Religion, for example, at its simplest, namely Christianity and Islam, the two most prominent orthopraxcies, distilled and systematised our capacity and proneness for good.)

[@sergeshmash2171]

@@SacClass650 actually, Christianity most definitely attests we are totally prone to sin, not virtue. And again, we definitely do not have a proneness to virtue. A simple study of history clearly shows this. If you really believe you certainly are not a student of human nature...and I'm betting you've never had kids.

[@tzvigrossman1872]

5:56 corporations are monarchies because they control their own boards ? This is like saying pears are vegetables because they're green... They operate at The leisure of the state they cannot write their own laws

[@LoafingMushroom]

The state operates at the leisure of corporations.

[@Will-xf3qe]

I think it's kind of an interesting comparison. I usually hear talk like that on the left saying that a business is like a dictatorship and wouldn't it be so much better if we brought some democracy into business in the form of worker owned cooperatives and so forth. Seems that yarvin thinks authoritarianism to a certain degree is good so he wants the government run by dictate in a similar way they do in business

[@stevendouglas3781]

Corporations set their own company policies. Follow the fractal comparison.

[@lucy-xl7yo]

The opening 15 seconds of this video tell you everything you need to know about what follows

[@stevenjames1138]

I don’t know who Flo the interviewer is, but she’s strikingly attractive, especially with her red hair!

[@gabthechef3790]

I think that he brings up interesting topics, but then provides extremely superficial discussion and anecdotal arguments. I checked a couple of points while listening and half turned out to be ‘half-truths’ or irrelevant. I think, he is more of an entertainer than a serious thinker.

[@El-ci7kj]

We'll, he's obviously a few orders of magnitude more of a serious thinker than you are.

[@letitflow1120]

@@El-ci7kjprobably not he’s just In the civil service and hands are paid to clap when he speaks

First of all, this is a short presentation so he can't go into depth. Secondly, if you found errors, you would have mentioned what they are instead of just saying you found errors. But you didn't mention them because you're full of it.

[@FlawlessP401]

I made chatgpt talk to me about this video while talking like a surfer. Lmao

[@NicoM1469]

What a deeply unpleasant and frankly tiresome man. Insubstantial undergrad-level political theory soup, and meandering / evasive when pressed. At the end he reveals just how nasty his politics are.

[@brianmeen2158]

YArvin is one of the most tiring people to listen to. Very long winded and rarely delivers clear points

[@Matty-i4g]

Yarvin is for based capitalists and monarchists

[@dankdark974]

Your IQ isnt high enough to comprehend Uncle Yarv, bro.

[@zelbriggen-gd3mp]

maybe "Paddington Bear" would be more to your taste. he's a little character who is always clumsy and stupid, but never ever unkind 🥰

[@huskypup3489]

This dude wanders all over the place, throwing out names, some familiar and some obscure, but he never seems to make an actual point.

[@zinjanthropus322]

Pay closer attention.

[@DukeBluedevil70]

You’re out of your depth.

[@gymcel565]

Perhaps you weren't paying close enough attention...

[@JallyJam]

He's been writing since 2008, there's text to voice of KZbin of his work go listen if you want to understand. Write notes and research who you don't know.

[@huskypup3489]

@@gymcel565 I understand every word he says. I would describe it as asking someone the time and having them build a watch.

[@TheSSEssesse]

Dude talking about John Adams looking like Paul Giamatti is a suspicious coincidence to say the least

[@alexanderedwards6811]

A guy that has just read and memorised words from many books but didn't read anything about manners.

[@kevanmccutcheon7351]

Frustratingly empty interview. He sounds like he is being rational and supporting his thesis, but rambles far off the questions with interesting but empty anecdotes and trivia. The interviewer is weak, simply platforming this character.

[@TessaTickle]

Anecdotes and trivia. Exactly. In a nutshell. They left out a hugely important factor when talking about monarchies : they're hereditary. If you omit that unique factor, you're not even talking about a monarchy. Yes, this makes the DPKR a monarchy but then it disqualifies every other example Yarvin gave.

[@marcusshera1232]

@@TessaTickle Not exactly true. There are non-hereditary monarchies. Or at least not strictly hereditary. E.g. the Roman Empire. However, your point is well taken. If you are going to have a government with monarchical control WHO that person is matters and HOW they are chosen matters. Yarvin seems to wax on and on about getting stuff done without much thought about how historical stuff got done.

[@CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy]

Yarvin has incisive critique but no solutions. He's an abstract idea man, not a strategist.

[@TessaTickle]

@@CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy he sure seems convinced that a monarchy is the solution.

[@christinethomas6763]

Fraid so - sort of called to mind a missionary 'on tour' coming to flatter higher echelons of native populations with 'reveals' of the home country and whilst doing so is anxious that he might well be talking over their heads with things that might not know - not just about country but also that of his listeners' own history.

[@Sapwolf]

This guy seems like he's more on the Left, not the Right. He comes off as condescending...likes to hear himself talk. Anybody else getting these vibes?

[@letsRegulateSociopaths]

I'd say more on the- Did a 30 Day Ayahuasca ceremony and never kissed a girl cause that's scary so I became a psychopathic clown - type of vibe

[@Ajsopranosrubberdux]

You don’t understand politics.

[@alexanderedwards6811]

This guy either goes home after work to his mums basement and plays dungeons and dragons, is a psychopathic killer or is somewhere in-between and genuinely altruistic and intelligent...

[@Kaa864]

😂😂😂 what a comment. And no doubt true.

[@uncircumcisedcircus]

maybe its both?

[@1OTDM]

If by provocateur you mean "makes vaguely true claims followed by an insane logical leap to a wildly wrong conclusion" then yes, this man is a provocateur

[@TuxedoTalk]

He called WW2 an "amazing war" where FDR "conquered the world" and then saddled us with this alphabet soup bureaucratic nightmare we live under today with such affection. 55 Million people died in WW2 and nothing was accomplished. It ended with a nuclear stand off that almost literally ended the world multiple times. This man is a monster.

[@boomerkingsley8780]

He hates FDR and has implied the wrong side won the war hes just pointing out the historical process underway then was amazing

[@tomislavpuklin1676]

Fukuyamaist, end of history libs.

[@TuxedoTalk]

​@@tomislavpuklin1676exactly. I want to but I literally can't understand these people. He talks about the Manhattan project like it was some great accomplishment we should all be happy about. It's given the fools running the world a way to literally destroy it. It's a disaster of biblical proportions.

[@ametora1231]

you must not be familiar with Yarvin if that was your takeaway.

[@TuxedoTalk]

@@ametora1231 I'm familiar. He's a monarchist that advices total power be given to a single individual. I'm simplifying but this is a KZbin comment section, not an academic forum.

[@stylekiller21]

Ah, I love how this logic and that it can be completely neutered by a fist to a chin.

[@stylekiller21]

Also want to add look at the crowd. Just a deluge of very smart idiots.

[@peterkiedron8949]

Many fists are itching. Thats Yarwin power.

[@LlopmondDunderbridge-nn2xt]

@@peterkiedron8949 yeah man wanting to punch him makes him wrong and makes you right, and proves that you know more about politics and are smarter. Keep truckin.