The + / - 60db recovery in the beginning was the most impressive thing I've ever seen lol
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Yes, impressive what they’ve achieved!
@markjob63544 жыл бұрын
Yeah, ditto. I wouldn't have thought this was possible, or it would be possible but sound like junk with a noticable noise floor.
@timbeaton50454 жыл бұрын
@@markjob6354 Me too! I think this way of recording is going to become a standard method among all audio recorder manufacturers. Wonder who will jump first!?
@timbeaton50454 жыл бұрын
What price Limiters, now? Almost pointless?
@MAMAvsGOD4 жыл бұрын
FACTS. Can other Devices Achieve this?? Working in Studio this is Something I NEVER SEEN.
@geraldundone4 жыл бұрын
Great video, Curtis! And thanks for the shout-out. 🤓🙏
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gerald! Thanks for covering the audio interface aspects of the F6!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
*CORRECTION* F6 CAN record 32-bit Float at 192kHz. To do so, you must turn off the LR Mix and AutoMix and Limiters. *ALSO* recently found that many cameras record rather noisy audio when you feed audio from the F6's output to the camera's microphone input. I didn't have this issue with the BMPCC6K when I sent a line level signal but did have the issue with a Panasonic GH5 with a mic level signal. I have reported this issue to Zoom North America. AND, DaVinci Resolve now handles 32-bit float files.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Would be nice if it gave you a hint as to why 192kHz is grayed out when it is. Potential firmware update, Zoom? 😀
@FreeToUseSounds4 жыл бұрын
@Zlatko Zlatev Hi Zlatko. If I am correct then you only change the fader (output) but not the gain if you have set it to 32 Bit.
@brianwyse58104 жыл бұрын
is it better than mix-pre?
@LangstoniusRex4 жыл бұрын
@@jukarnariusIt does. I use the tone generator to set the levels on output when its plugged into cameras.
@JonRivero4 жыл бұрын
@Zlatko Zlatev But only in 32 bits mode Isn`t?. I want this function on 24 bits mode with limiters. Zoom ¡It's annoying!
@MyOtheHedgeFox4 жыл бұрын
Curtis, your style is incredible - from the short and succinct intro with the text-based channel intro and summary (both a rarity these days!) to the professional and practical delivery. Even if most of these devices cost far too much for me to even consider, I still await your every new notification. Sound capture, warm confidence, classy no-frills editing - there’s everything to strive for!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks MyO! That means a lot.
@EzzenzDK4 жыл бұрын
Exactly - detailed, sharp and straight to the point - no silly jokes etc. just love your style too!!
@videosuperhighway76554 жыл бұрын
I agree. I skip those unprofessional reviewers on youtube especially when they start out with waaaaats up guuuys. Etc..
@fatheadvideollc4 жыл бұрын
Curtis, first of all THANKS for your well done informational YT channel. I purchased the F6 for a short film I made a few weeks ago and it worked flawlessly in 32 bit for the barely audible young actor along with a scene with a lot of loud screaming, and crying. I purchased it based on your initial review of this great piece. THANK YOU and I am glad you have the reviews you do.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks and really glad to hear it’s working well. Those whisper to yelling situations can be rough, but much easier with this.
@spo5egy4 жыл бұрын
You've just sold me on it twice!
@LearnLightAndSoundSessions4 жыл бұрын
@@spo5egy 👍
@mattgray1284 жыл бұрын
Definitely one of the best pieces of kit I’ve ever used. Not worrying about gain makes one-man-crew operations so much easier. Been using this for weeks and I love it.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
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@markjob63544 жыл бұрын
Hi Curtis: I just wanted to take this opportunity and thank you for your very thorough and direct reviews and how to videos you do here on your KZbin Channel. You are easy to listen to, easy to understand, and you have a great gifting to teach :) I learn so much from watching all your various reviews and analysis of audio and video products. These are the tools we are all using as film makers almost every day, and it's greatly appreciated. You are an important technical resource.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, Mark. I really appreciate the feedback!
@markjob63544 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd No, thank You Curtis. You're a walking techno-encyclopedia of Digital video and audio production.
@markjob63544 жыл бұрын
@Curtis Judd - Have you done a review of the Atomos Sumo 19 ? I'm giving it some serious consideration for purchase.
@TheGreyfoo4 жыл бұрын
I just receently bought one of these (in Australia), based on your review. I love it! 32-bit, clipless audio is such a profound, incredible leap forward, and I can't thank you enough for bringing it to my attention. As a solo videographer, I'm certainly never going back! ... Of note, I found that - beyond just letting me set the perfect 'gain' in post, I was also able to apply some really extreme EQ to the 32-bit WAVs inside Adobe Premiere (a 20dB swing from -10dB to +10dB) without the usual appearance of coloring/ugliness/smearing I'd otherwise expect in a highly-processed sound. (I don't actually know if any of Adobe Premiere's EQs are specifically linear phase but doubt it). Or so it appeared to me, anyway: ... On the F6 I recorded 32-bit/48kHz, and just two days previously the H6 (24-bit/48kHz) - in the same theatre/space, same mic (NTG3). The space isn't acoustically treated for bass, so (coupled with the NTG3s low-midness), I have to apply a very strong EQ cut to lows, and boost to highs. I applied the same (massive) EQ to both recordings, and the 32-bit just SINGS. ... On top of that, Zoom knocked it out of the park with the power options. I bought an Atomos 2-pack and charger, with over 8 hours of run time on a single L-battery, which can be swapped out in mere seconds. I'm not going to miss AA batteries at all. Stupidly happy. ... Thanks again Curtis.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for you insights, Greyfoo!
@philipbloom3 жыл бұрын
great review Curtis. I just got mine and am wading though it. Love the 32 bit float!
@curtisjudd3 жыл бұрын
Congrats on the new recorder, Philip! Contact me with any questions any time!
@makatron4 жыл бұрын
Insane details, imagine in a decade when 48 bit recording is available so it can recover the file even after unplug the microphone 😅
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha!
@videosuperhighway76554 жыл бұрын
64bit it records the future. Lol
@CyrilleBoucanogh2 жыл бұрын
Don't stop on 48, better 128 bits when you just stay at home watching your favourite movies while ZOOM shoots and edits and does all the video production for you 😅
@peterwiessenthaner51072 жыл бұрын
I wait also of this possibility with 48 bit recording 😅
@makatron2 жыл бұрын
@@peterwiessenthaner5107 it'll just tap on your thoughts and provide a normalized track
@nobbystyles48074 жыл бұрын
my jaw nearly hit the floor on that audio recovery section. i was expecting some audible floor noise at least. i am absolutel buying one of these this week. i was going to get an h6 but heck..... this thing is a beast.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Good call - much better investment than the H6. :)
@treffensaintjohnllc29134 жыл бұрын
This device is excellent for recording conferences that have questions coming from the audience and there is not a "roaming" mic nearby. In post you can correct the volume without raising the noise floor. It will save TONS of time in post-production! Conversely if you clip the audio this device will save you big time! WOW! Just WOW!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
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@LangstoniusRex4 жыл бұрын
Why am i watching this when i already have the zoom f6? (love it. just used it for a week on a web series)
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha! Glad to hear it’s working well for you!
@HeliumContent4 жыл бұрын
You're trying to prevent buyer's remorse ;) Happens to all of us, man!
@LangstoniusRex4 жыл бұрын
@@HeliumContent loooool. Maybe so. I will say, all this time later, the 32 bit float saved my arse when I stupidly tried to shoot three cameras at the same time _while_ running the sound. Screwed up the levels on some takes, didnt catch it on set. Was able to recover the tracks because i could raise the levels. moral of the story: find a crew! Oh and that 32 bit float feature is amazing :)
@HeliumContent4 жыл бұрын
@@LangstoniusRex It's a game-changer - Sound Devices has also incorporated this into their Gen.II Mix-Pre models. It's a great time to be a filmmaker!
@emilybeth82243 жыл бұрын
My mind is blown within the first 2:30 minutes! The post-gain-editing has me stunned. Absolutely great review
@curtisjudd3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Emily. Happy recording!
@VitinhoXXL4 жыл бұрын
That "good bye" message sold me out :)
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
There’s nothing quite like a friendly piece of gear. 🤓
@JavierMercedes4 жыл бұрын
That 32 bit float example is blowing my mind.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
It is pretty cool for directly connected mics with a lot of dynamic range. Just remember that it doesn't apply to wireless mic systems - they'll usually clip before the audio gets to the recorder.
@riparianstudios4 жыл бұрын
So what you're telling me is that this recorder could perfectly capture the sound of my head exploding while watching this demo, even with its sudden and percussive loudness.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Most likely, yes. 😀
@TonyBabarino4 жыл бұрын
Bahahahahaha!!!
@kalpeshgandhi51764 жыл бұрын
Curtis Ju
@TheProVideo3 жыл бұрын
after watching this video i bought F6 Thank you
@TheProVideo3 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Thank your videos are amazing love it
@curtisjudd2 жыл бұрын
Happy recording!
@iancraig4 жыл бұрын
What a great recording device. Love that dynamic range that it offers and you were able to rescuse the overblown and ‘underblown’ recordings!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
👍 pretty neat!
@dblbassted Жыл бұрын
You've become my go-to for all things audio for video. Thank you!
@curtisjudd Жыл бұрын
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@remektekmedia66414 жыл бұрын
Good review up to your usual high standard.I upgraded from a Zoom F8 to the F6 and loved it. However after a week I decided to swap to the MixPre-6 Mk ii. You've made an accurate comparison between the two, so I won't repeat them, but... However, I want to note that the 3.5mm Aux mic input on the MP range is really excellent, especially with the smaller units, when the user might be vlogging in the field, as you can plug in a 3.5mm mic that needs plug-in power, without resolving to a bulky XLR adaptor, like the Rode VXLR+. This is especially handy, for "quick and dirty" stereo location sound such as I might use on a holiday, when I can plug in a Rode Stereo Video MicPro. Point in favour of the F6, compared to the MixPre-3 or 6 Mk ii, is that its iOS App can produce a Sound Report. This is only available on the much more expensive MixPre-10 Mk ii. For me personally, the draw cards for the MixPre-6 Mk ii, were gain controls in 32 bit mode, 3.5mm stereo input, 1/4" line inputs and the user interface, however I also liked the F6, so much that I might buy it again if I needed the extra inputs, or get a new F8something, when 32 bit comes to the F8 range.
@roryonabike58634 жыл бұрын
Re your comment about sound reports, maybe check out Sound Devices’s free app WaveAgent if you aren’t already familiar with it. If you use Mac OS Catalina, note that Sound Devices is working on an update.
@remektekmedia66414 жыл бұрын
@@roryonabike5863 Thanks for that Rory. (what's you bike, BTW? - I am also a motorbiker). WaveAgent currently doesn't support 32 bit audio files(!!! DUH) and requires running on a Mac, so it is really a pain in the you know what for field use. In contrast the Zoom iOS App can create this in the field. Too bad about Android users, though. As SD provide Sound Report facility for the MixPre-10 using the WingMan App, I really think they should have that feature for the MixPre-3 and 6, after all it would not cost them anything and the SD products are hardly cheap so intentionally limiting this function seems to me contra productive.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
I think you capture my sentiment, too: it’s a tough choice. Both really are quite impressive.
@roryonabike58634 жыл бұрын
RemekTek Media Hi. Moto Guzzi V7 II. WaveAgent also runs in Windows, but as you say it doesn’t work in iOS. I agree about the WingMan app.
@ngocehgayabebas21184 жыл бұрын
Amazing. You answered every single comment. Well done Curtis, you have my respect
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Ngoceh.
@roryonabike58634 жыл бұрын
Some people may be interested in knowing that B&H is selling the Zoom F6 and the original MixPre-6, which it has units of despite the introduction of version II, for the same price, US$650. That is $200 less than the price for a MixPre-6ii.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Rory.
@newsbatavian4 жыл бұрын
I like that you take into consideration the needs of the solo shooter.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
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@PhotoMakers4 жыл бұрын
Hi, Great review! thank you so much!!!! I couldn't see if the F6 show the actual gain for each volume knob. Imagine that you have 2 mics for stereo recording and you need perfectly "aligned" gains for both tracks. Does it offer this control or only on the visuals?
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Yes, you can link 2 or more channels together so that you can set their faders or trim with one control, thus ensuring they are at the exact same level.
@PhotoMakers4 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd perfect!! Thank you so much for the clarification!!!!
@JensLarsen Жыл бұрын
Great overview. Your channel and these detailed reviews really makes it easier to figure out what might work and what might not work. Thank you!!
@curtisjudd Жыл бұрын
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@SSingh-nr8qz4 жыл бұрын
DAMN YOU! I was so proud of my H5...Then I saw this video LOL.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha! The H5 still holds its own. Happy recording!
@madeiraislander4 жыл бұрын
and me the H4n Pro :C bad pre-gains though!! had to buy a fethead to fix that.
@savanaviolenta4 жыл бұрын
You know that there is f8 right?
@PDU_Tutorials4 жыл бұрын
Thanks CJ! That’s a great feature! Thanks for the MixPre comparison.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
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@BasicFilmmaker4 жыл бұрын
Ha! You got an NTG3! Sweet! Do you have or are you doing an F6 course? Maybe you mention it later. Not all the way through the video yet. So far it’s awesome!! 👍
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
NTG3, finally added to the kit. Can finally cross that off the list. :) Yes, definitely planning a Zoom F6 course!
@penmelyn3 жыл бұрын
Davinci now supports 32bit float. Great channel by the way, full of concise info and considered opinion and no flummery!
@curtisjudd3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Llywelyn.
@roryonabike58634 жыл бұрын
What happens if one tries to use a wireless lav mike with the F6 set for 32 bit/dual converters?
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
The wireless system or lavalier mic are almost certainly going to be the dynamic range limiting factors.
@LordCaes3 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd I am considering the F6 to record a panel discussion, 2 boomed NTG 5s as backup to 4 individual lavs. Are there wireless Lavs that will be able to take advantage of the 32bit, or would the Zoom F2 or Tentacle Sync Track E be a better option? Thank you in advance :-)
@curtisjudd3 жыл бұрын
@@LordCaes Zaxcom makes wireless systems with a feature they call Neverclip. It does not use a 32-bit float wav file, but a proprietary format called MARF. It achieves the same thing but really works best with Zaxcom mixer/recorders and are very expensive - in a totally different league to the F6. Assuming you're not looking to spend that much money, I would say the F2 or Track E would be good options.
@LordCaes3 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Thanks very much!
@ricardorgomez4 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU for doing this video! Though when you initially spoke to these folks about the recorder, we all knew it was a matter of time when you'd review it. The look on your face when the words 'no gain' was used was priceless! I was surprised how small the unit really is and it seems like they made it that way for mobility. With the least amount of compromises. Being able to power it with a fairly normal battery bank and mountable under a camera on a tripod is impressive especially considering its performance. I think in the last 7 or so years, I've bought into a couple of online courses. I can figure it out and practice on my own. But I'll definitely be purchasing one of yours when the time comes. Your practical yet thorough approach to gear is first rate!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much Ricardo! Happy recording!
@zedamex4 жыл бұрын
Curtis, I may just be another random commenting from the net but I must thank you for basically being relentless and carrying on reviewing audio gear like this. I last commented talking about the F8 when that first came out as I purchased it. It's great to see you still going strong. Ever since then I've always wanted something with a much better headphone amp for listening to your recordings with a less tinny sound, and mic amp with the warmer base sound of the sound devices but with the live podcast-able features and not at $5000 price point. The new F6 (less clipping when doing offline recording) and Mix Pre II has me excited about audio interfaces again. Now I just need to save some money - as for me this is a hobby so the top teir stuff just can not be justified.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks zedamex - really appreciate the feedback. The MixPre line also just added MixAssist which automatically mixes multi-host podcasts more effectively than the AutoMix on the Zoom F series. It's a great time for podcasters!
@johnbixby83054 жыл бұрын
Instantly subscribed. Curtis this is the most efficient and polished review I have ever seen on a piece of audio equipment... Flawless victory.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks John, really appreciate the feedback!
@hitars4 жыл бұрын
No.2 item I bought it after your video. $550USD in Australia, what a great price. thank you Curtis.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
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@qwiklok2 жыл бұрын
A technical tour de force. , thank you. After listening to the equally briiliant video on the Mixpre 6, the form factor, analog limiters, lighted dials and screen won out. the unit fits winderfully under a Sony A73, winner. These videos are game changers. Again thank you..
@curtisjudd2 жыл бұрын
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@SatanicJamnic4 жыл бұрын
LOL! I literally one minute ago was watching Frank Howard's video and was thinking "I am curious when Curtis will drop his video for this week". And here it is!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
👍 thanks for the rad thumbnail!
@maxheadrom30883 жыл бұрын
This is the channel I click like before watching. Excellent!
@curtisjudd3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Max.
@pianopotato Жыл бұрын
Hi Curtis, I recently did some live streams with my Zoom F6 with the Sony A7IV. Using the tone generator and then dropping the line out level from the Zoom F6 to -21.5dB to hit the right level on my camera, I was getting (at least to my ears), excellent sound that was free of any issues. I thought this might be relevant for Sony shooters using the F6. I tested also with the Sony ZVE10 which has very similar preamps to the A7IV and again, same excellent result. Both cameras here only have microphone level inputs.
@curtisjudd Жыл бұрын
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@EnforcerMan4 жыл бұрын
Awesome review man. This device is certainly an overkill for me but my wife just surprised me with the Zoom F6 and NTG5 mic for my birthday ... little over the top for my start up KZbin channel ...lol I am learning a lot from you about audio. Thank you
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Great combo! Audio gear: check!
@JeffreyHackReacts3 жыл бұрын
Great review Curtis! I just purchased this item from a sound production friend and am learning how the device works. I've use the Mix-Pre6 and Zoom H4N before. So I'm learning my way around the ballpark.
@curtisjudd3 жыл бұрын
Happy recording!
@matthewlee29574 жыл бұрын
Curtis, thanks for taking the time and sharing your thoughts. . . . . So appreciate it
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Matthew!
@satsahota17654 жыл бұрын
Love your reviews Mr Judd. I’ve just ordered a mix pre 3 ii and your content helped so much researching which was best for my use. Thank you
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sat and I hope the MixPre works well for you!
@mrheng5624 жыл бұрын
Take my Perkins money!!! I can see this being very useful for my students when they’re working their group projects. I’m not a sound guy, but the 32-bit float will save so much time in post. That’s insane flexible!!! As always, great content! Thank you!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Heng, and great to hear from you!
@AriRannveigarson4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, really helped me with my decision making. The new firmware that came for mixpre this week included AutoMix and Sound Reports. the F series are great and you get a lot for your money, used to own F8. (only major downside was the headphone amp) thanks for your time and effort put in this review
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@FabioPansera Жыл бұрын
Hi Curtis, thank you for your precious work on the platform. I have a brand new Sennheiser 416, which I'd couple with the G3 Lav Sennheiser. I'm just starting out in the audio world, and I'm not an expert by any means. I frequently hear the argument “For the price of the Zoom F6, at that point might as well wait a bit longer and get a Sound Devices MixPre 3 II”. Now, money is tight, but I would spend the extra if you tell me the difference in the noise level is noticeable with an MKH 416 once you start to crank it up. I would mostly record in 32-bit float. I can't help but mention that I have a person who wants to sell me a Zoom F6 used once, plus a Zoom bag, plus 2 NPF batteries (8500mah) for roughly the equivalent of 500 USD. The Sound Devices MixPre 3 II would cost me the equivalent of 1120 USD. I really don't know what to do. The number of accessories and the low price pull me towards the used Zoom F6... but will I give up a lot in terms of noise? The difference in functions is not really on the table here, since with my workflow, I would use both in the same way, so the differences highlighted wouldn't probably be a Pro or a Con in my specific case. Again, thank you! Looking forward to reading what you think about this!
@curtisjudd11 ай бұрын
In terms of self noise, no, I haven't found the MixPre to a be much different - they're both very clean. There are other reasons I prefer the MixPre, mostly ergonomic, but you can make great sound with the F6. The most important thing will be to learn it inside and out. You'll make great sound. If you need any help learning the F6, we have a course over at school.learnlightandsound.com.
@FabioPansera11 ай бұрын
@@curtisjudd thank you, I’ll check out your course
@albertofelicettii4264 жыл бұрын
32-bit float works perfectly. Thanks Curtis
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
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@ramonbs60754 жыл бұрын
awesome and very instructional video!!! I think this is the best KZbin channel of sound related content. Keep going!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ramón!
@peterwiessenthaner51072 жыл бұрын
Hallo Curtis Judd thank you for this good informations. I work with these audio recorder 2 years and i like it. Since the zoom f6 is very small, it is not easy to adjust the settings. Otherwise, I am very satisfied with the recorder.
@curtisjudd2 жыл бұрын
Glad it works well for you 👍🎙
@Mormu6244 жыл бұрын
2:07 I am conditioned to laugh due to the over abundance off insanely bass boosted memes. Awesome review, I've been binge watching so many of your field recording related videos and I am still undecided between this or the Mix Pre 3, especially given the fact that I can get an Orca bag plus SD card bundle on the Zoom, still less than what the Mix pre 3 ii by itself costs. Very difficult. Thanks for the great insights!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
😅 It sounds like you may have some solid reasoning on a direction.
@KrunoslavStifter4 жыл бұрын
That's crazy... useful. That wide dynmic range capability is worth it alone.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Pretty amazing!
@FrankETaylor4 жыл бұрын
I ended up buying a F6 that was a floor model for $580. I really wanted the mix pre-6 but I don't do enough sounds jobs to justify the extra $$ for it for two less inputs (even though I really prefer the combo inputs over standard XLRs). I've only recorded a handful of things with it so far but I really do love it. I don't worry as much about watching the levels and instead focus on the subjects being filmed. Thank you for helping make the decision!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
👍 glad to hear it’s working out!
@FrankETaylor4 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Quick update, I've only had one issue so far, and that happened when I inserted an older SD card that has become frozen (you can access the files on it, but can't write anything new). The F6 said error but then armed and said it was recording. Long story short it didn't record anything, and there was nothing to recover. Had I tried to format the card I would have figured it out, but it was a bit of a rush and I've used other cards in it without formatting and had no issues. But you live and you learn (and always record a test sample on the card before using it that day). Luckily I had a scratch track running to a camera so all isn't lost, but it's not 32bit so less wiggle room in post.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
@@FrankETaylor Thanks for sharing. Definitely a good idea to format and test the card first. In fact, in the System->SD Card menu, there's a testing function to confirm the card will work well with the F6.
@FrankETaylor4 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Yeah it's funny because I ran that after the fact just to see what it would say and it said the card was fine. But yeah, if I had tried to format it first I would have had a less stressful weekend. I talked to them on the phone and they might fix that in a firmware update, but they had never encountered anything like that so who knows.
@PhillipArthurSimmons4 жыл бұрын
Are you kidding me? That audio recovery is almost magic!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
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@perspectivestudioscaribbea58994 жыл бұрын
Excellent comprehensive review Curtis, after viewing I feel as though if an F6 was in front of me I would know my way around it without any difficulty. Keep up the great work !
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@paultryba72284 жыл бұрын
Another wonderful video from you. Love your channel and wish the whole youtube world was as well done.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Paul!
@jwoolson4 жыл бұрын
@Curtis Judd: Thank you for all your excellent work. Your gear reviews are all fantastic - clear, in-depth, and incredibly helpful.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jonathan!
@swetrich4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! So damn helpful. I super appreciate all the time and effort you put into videos like this. Aside from some of the headphone monitoring differences, this fits my needs so much better than any other device as I do a lot of solo or run and gun type work with occasional short films and web series where I'm doing everything. Also for corporate or wedding events when I need to plug in and leave it, this just makes sense.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks swetrich!
@sorryaboutnico2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for mentioning the auto-mix feature. Definitely something for me to look into.
@curtisjudd2 жыл бұрын
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@johnmartinez45014 жыл бұрын
Wow, I was really looking forward to this review, and you did not disappoint! Long list of questions, sorry: 1) Since the F6 has dual ADC's combined with the 32-bit recording, vs. the MixPre II with only 32-bit, what is the performance difference there? How do the dual ADC's contribute to the overall dynamic range? 2) Additionally, in your test of the "recoverability" of the audio clips, how does the F6 perform in raising the levels in post if the sound source itself was very quiet? I assume you were speaking at the same moderate volume in all the samples. Based on my understanding of 32-bit recording (which is admittedly limited), the recorder basically redivides the relative difference in amplitude for a sound wave at the given fader setting, which is what allows you to bring up the volume in post without introducing much extra noise. But what if you already had the fader set at +60 dB, and still had to bring it up a lot in post? I'm probably really misunderstanding 32-bit, but I was just wondering if you could clarify that a bit. 3) Is there a practical reason why the ability to set the gain on the MixPre II would be preferable to the unity gain on the F6, assuming you were using 32-bit recording since doing so would presumably result in no difference in ability to record clean audio? Obviously, being able to set the gain in 24-bit would be a big advantage. 4) Given the inability to set the gain on the F6, how does it perform in 24-bit mode in terms of raising the noise floor at high fader levels? Or having inadvertently set the faders too low, how much does raising it in post raise the noise floor? Again, thank you so much for this review! You've got a lot of amazing content!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Hi John: 1) The MixPre II also has multiple ADCs. They don't say exactly how many, but their patent cites 3 ADCs and the process for how they re-combine the output of each to record to 32-bit float. The difference seems to be that on the MixPre, they allowed you the freedom to set the gain, which I suspect has to do with the presumed 3 ADCs. 2) That will depends largely on the microphone, is my guess. Will require more tests. 3) Yes, microphones are generally designed/voiced with the assumption that some amount of gain will be applied post mic preamp. You might not get the optimal performance of some microphones on the F6 given this. I didn't find any obvious examples in my testing so far, so this is only theoretical. 4) In 24-bit and 16 bit modes, you can adjust the gain/trim so in those cases, it performs just like a Zoom F8n, which is to say, very well in terms of noise performance.
@YourStoryStudios4 жыл бұрын
We've got the MixPre 3 II connected to an EVA1 for video work, but need a permanent solution in our new podcast studio. The F6 looks good, having more inputs at a cost effective price! Thanks for doing the comparison. Very helpful!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I'll be curious to hear how you like the F6 relative to the MixPre.
@johnhmaw4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful. I want one. Very comprehensive review as always. Many thanks.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks John.
@jsebastianst4 жыл бұрын
This pretty much answered all my questions about the F6, thanks for the great video!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome! 👍
@Kit2Canada4 жыл бұрын
Superb and nicely balanced between pros and cons. Thank you
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kit!
@giuseppepisano73983 жыл бұрын
I think you really hit the spot when you said that in an ideal world there would be a Zoom f8n with the 32bit dual recording technology. I think I'd definitely buy an f6 if it was slightly bigger and offer an hirose power input and a proper headphone amp, as well as a real stereo out.
@curtisjudd3 жыл бұрын
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@bolttracks Жыл бұрын
The outputs are really nothing to rave about, especially since the headphone amp is pretty noisy, but man do the recordings sound great and the built-in Ambisonics encoding is amazing given the price point. The BTA-1 Bluetooth adapter and app are a must have for anyone who records a lot because being able to quickly name and rename tape and move between folders is just so much easier.
@curtisjudd Жыл бұрын
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@NesHacker3 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate your videos! Wonderful quality and very easy to understand :)
@curtisjudd3 жыл бұрын
Thanks NesHacker.
@roryonabike58634 жыл бұрын
Curtis Judd surely knows this, but others may not. Sound Devices puts its headphone volume control on the side because that knob is also used to set menu values, including gain. It’s the same on my Sound Devices 702T, a recorder that sold for four times the price of a MixPre-3. The whole point is that, unlike with the faders, one can’t accidentally change isolated track values (a good reason to NOT override the factory default on a MixPre recorder and use the faders to control isolated track gain). The assumption is that one is either using no bag, a bag large enough that there is enough clearance to get your hand in (are you also using right angle XLR connectors, because, if you aren’t, clearance shouldn’t be an issue), or a bag that has side access for one’s hand. For purpose-built sound bags, side access is the norm. In any event, I don’t know why someone would be messing around with headphone volume in the middle of recording in the first place :)
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rory . Do you have any recommendations on bags with side access for the MixPre-10?
@roryonabike58634 жыл бұрын
Curtis Judd Hi Curtis. I purchased a bag, made by Gunther Kortwich, for a Sound Devices 702T that I also use for a MixPre-3. Mr. Kortwich died in 2015. His company, filmtontechnik, is active but apparently has stopped making sound recording bags. When I made my purchase, Gotham Sound, where I purchased the bag, was one of the few Kortwich dealers in the U.S. I tried out bags made by Petrol (now produced by Sachtler), K-TEK and Orca as well as Kortwich. It took less than a minute to choose the Kortwich. If you can find one second-hand that fits, go for it. However, most of the time I use both the 702T and the MixPre-3 without a bag. I still use the 702T over the MixPre if its weight and bulk aren’t an issue, or if I’m going to a place where I want a recorder that is built like a tank. It’s still a brilliant recorder.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
@@roryonabike5863 Thanks Rory. Unfortunate that filmtontechnik stopped making the sound bags. I used the 744T for a project several years back. Built like a tank, indeed!
@LaRobertos4 жыл бұрын
just about to start using it on our channel this week for in studio recording and work our way out to the field after we get to know and learn it
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Congrats! I hope it works well for you!
@LaRobertos4 жыл бұрын
Curtis Judd your my audio hero
@Ranger7Studios4 жыл бұрын
You had me at the 32 bit float. This will be my next audio purchase. :)
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
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@robertsaca35127 ай бұрын
6:40 you can convert musical trs cables etc. to XLR and directly into the recorder, I know because I do this often, especially guitars.
@curtisjudd7 ай бұрын
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@AlBergstein4 жыл бұрын
Once again great job Curtis. The new zoom product seems like another leap forward for them. Great to see
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Al!
@stevenluckybenson34684 жыл бұрын
+Curtis Judd Thank you...excellent overview and comparison. Well done as always!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steven!
@wezlam4 жыл бұрын
Amazing as always. Loving the new intro too.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Wesley!
@RonaldSuper74 жыл бұрын
Great great work.... This is as comprehensive a review you can get. I agree on your assessment and would get both if I could afford it.....
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ronald!
@nike12000haha3 жыл бұрын
Wow that 32bit float was wild!
@curtisjudd3 жыл бұрын
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@EVOlutionHTC4g4 жыл бұрын
Excellent review as always, Curtis 👍
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Johnny!
@PeterPiklMusic3 жыл бұрын
Thats really a fantastic review/comparison. Literally all I could wish for to make a decision. Thank you very much! 🙏
@curtisjudd3 жыл бұрын
You're most welcome, Peter. Best wishes!
@MyJeanf4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Curtis . The zoom f6 was on my list but ended being a little bit out of my budget. However, in the end I purchased the Zoom F4 as it was on a special deal. I Also purchased you F4 course which helped me get up and running with way better audio this previously recorded with my tascam recorder. . Enjoyed the video. JF
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Glad the F4 is working out for you! Happy recording!
@waldemarschneider54694 жыл бұрын
There is one more advantage to have 32bit which I personally love. You do not have to get your talent talk to set the meters! Skipping this step makes the work (especially when you are a one man band) so much smoother and more comfortable for the talent. I am thinking of buying it only because of this, and the handy battery jack on the back ;)
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Good point, though you’ll still want to set the level so you can hear to monitor the shoot.
@chungdha3 жыл бұрын
I like MixPre lighting each knob to show which one is clipping without needing to check the screen and which number of channel. But seen setup of MixPre 6 up close the biggest issue was powering it. The L Mount adapter was too odd use in sound bag and we had issue that the metal tabs not connect well and slight movement would disconnect, we had to use large powerbank at the end to power it with being afraid with the flimsy small usb type c could break over time. Zoom F6 with L-mount for me would be a better solution as have many f970 batteries on set to power it for a long time.
@curtisjudd3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you got a defective battery sled on the MixPre. They should replace it for you. Did you contact SD support?
@chungdha3 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd we just gave it back to the shop
@curtisjudd3 жыл бұрын
@@chungdha Good luck with the F6, then. I hope it works well for you.
@user-jw4fn6fh2x4 жыл бұрын
Wow, I'm impressed with that wide dynamic range adjustment capability. I would buy it just for that. Wish I had this unit years ago.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool - a substantial step forward for audio recording.
@declicked2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! Was planning on getting one soon, and this has convinced me!
@curtisjudd2 жыл бұрын
I hope it works well for you! Happy recording!
@Pierluigi663 жыл бұрын
having rather enjoyed your review I just treated myself to the F6... now the excruciating wait for delivery... thank you for your reviews BTW, a class of their own.
@curtisjudd3 жыл бұрын
Congratulations and happy recording!
@AskJoe4 жыл бұрын
That gain feature is simply mind blowing and it opens up a ton of possibilities. It looks like you could practically start recording blindfolded, and not even look at the gain, but I'm guessing there's at least some loss in quality vs optimizing the gain first.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
The bottleneck becomes your microphone and especially wireless mics.
@deneme563 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Thank you Curtis.
@curtisjudd3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@tomdchi124 жыл бұрын
Nice to have two solid options to chose between! In both cases, the high dynamic range recording (dual A/D converter ant 32 bit float format) creates a massive test of the quality of the preamp, and both are producing amazing results at either extreme. I've been holding off on replacing my H4N, but I'm leaning towards the MixPre 3 II, though I'll have to chew on this a bit more. Some of the features of the F6 are hard to pass up...
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Zoom and SD aren’t making this a simple decision.
@Kevlexicon3 жыл бұрын
so helpful approaching an intimidating device. thanks!
@curtisjudd3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kevlexicon!
@pederjelsbak83612 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your fantastic reviews 👍
@curtisjudd2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peder!
@ChannelWright4 жыл бұрын
Another great review! Thanks Curtis!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
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@daledervin36724 жыл бұрын
I just today had a completely BS situation of my F6 locking up at the beginning of an extremely important shoot for my company. After jamming with my Tentaclesync, the two inputs I was using (1 and 6) completely locked up- no audio whatsoever. No amount of powering down and back up helped, everything was set and tested last night so there were no prior issues. I finally had to do a factory reset, and it worked immediately. I had to jam again, but no problems afterwards. However, I was so shook up with people and clients waiting wondering what was going on, and maybe having to call the entire shoot because of the F6, I forgot that the thing comes up in 24 bit / poly mode, and didn't set it back to 32 bit /stereo-mode. So all the audio is in this poly BS mode from multiple mics. I am so pissed off at myself and the F6, I'm sick. I'm d**n lucky I had my levels set right. Yes, Operator Error, but AFTER the F6 locked up- THAT is on Zoom. I emailed them with the facts and demanded the firmware be reworked so it comes up in 32 bit float- stereo/mono mode- what people are buying it for, as default, so if someone else has to panic like I did with the F6 today, when they do a hail Mary factory reset, it will come up with the highest feature-set it has.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Dale. Sorry to hear of the issues and hope Zoom can address the input Issue.
@AudioBoi14 жыл бұрын
wow, legendary review and comparison thank you
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Andrew!
@DavisTibbz4 жыл бұрын
Wow!! That recovery tho! Like the ArriRAW for audio!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
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@JustVoss4 жыл бұрын
Great video, Would love if you did a review of the Zoom LiveTrak L-12.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Hi Justin, thanks. At this point I’ll probably look at the L8 which appears to be aimed more at podcasting. The L-12 appears to be aimed more at recording bands.
@JustVoss4 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd I didn't even know that was a thing but that looks like a better option for me also!
@TomasVillegas4 жыл бұрын
The wide dynamic range recording demo you showed is pretty friggin' awesome! Great work on this my friend.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tomas!
@johnnytrayes47344 жыл бұрын
Brilliant review thanks so much Curtis
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Johnny!
@cccid4 жыл бұрын
very nicely done video. apprecaite the time code and the work. keep it up!
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Clement!
@AwesomeShotStudios4 жыл бұрын
Another top-quality review, Curtis. Kudos...and thanks for putting this together. As a one-man-band, I love the idea of 32bit float, it's nearly magical in forgiveness. My workaround has always been to record audio to two channels, with one being set down -6dB as a safety. For 99% of my talking head work, it's been a good workaround. The gear-hound in me really wants to get this, but I can't yet justify it. Thanks again for giving us your opinion and comparisons.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback!
@FreeToUseSounds4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the in depth video Curtis! I just made a real world test with the recorder and maybe you could do some similar videos for the future? I am sure your audience would appreciated that too.
@curtisjudd4 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@spo5egy4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Curtis, I think you've sold me on the f6 for my needs.. @ 24:40 I see a Lego tyre 🤣 I remember when my son was growing up and standing on those evil little blocks in the middle of the night... ouch. For the size, The f6 is perfect to fit into my rig (and looks great) but with that float option... It's pretty fool proof by the looks of things and sometimes I feel rushed setting my white balance, iso, zebras etc. so one thing less to worry about is a great thing.