Zoom H4n Pro vs H4n

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Curtis Judd

Curtis Judd

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@andrewculp1378
@andrewculp1378 4 жыл бұрын
I cannot say how much I appreciate the work you do, Curtis! Your videos are so informative, professional, and thorough. Thank you for your hard and tireless work.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, Andrew!
@CZsWorld
@CZsWorld 8 жыл бұрын
Main reason I never got the popular H4N about a year or so ago was your review. I ended up with the DR 60-D and still use it all the time.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, Zoom now has a recorder in the same league as the DR60-DmkII.
@theASMRnerd
@theASMRnerd 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Curtis! Just want to say thank you for your informative, professional content. I make ASMR videos, and your channel has been extremely helpful to me over the years. Just today I picked up a pair of Rode NT1-As, and was looking for a feature-rich, low-noise portable recorder that wouldn't break the bank. After watching this video and listening to your sound samples, I settled on the H4n Pro. So thank you once again for your help!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
You're welcome and I hope you enjoy your new recording gear!
@HHU_ZIM_MLS
@HHU_ZIM_MLS 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much, this seems like the most professionally made review I ever saw on YT...
@elnisdjcheco
@elnisdjcheco 8 жыл бұрын
Even if you are not looking for the product you are reviewing you still learn a bunch just watching it.
@LearnLightAndSoundSessions
@LearnLightAndSoundSessions 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Elnis!
@sganzerla
@sganzerla 8 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for this as I have 2x H4n and had doubts about upgrading one of them. Thanks for the review!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@geoenglishlive
@geoenglishlive 3 жыл бұрын
Having watched a whole load of videos about microphones, recorders, etc. for film, and recently wanting to up my audio game, I would like to make a comment.A lot of the review videos I have watched for said microphones and recorders, have terrible audio in them! So how can these guys review these things if they can’t even get their own audio right. This is the first video where I have said, ah-ha! This guy knows what audio is. Thank you so much for the informative video, I think I’ll be getting the H4n pro.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Timothy. Happy recording!
@douglasfairmeadow
@douglasfairmeadow 8 жыл бұрын
Great work Curtis. Always blown away by the thoroughness of your reviews.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you Douglas!
@sl1ppey
@sl1ppey 8 жыл бұрын
Was looking to get a H4N to pair with my camera, and was curious about this Pro version when it came out. Thank you for the very detailed comparison!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
You're welcome and best of luck on your new recorder!
@utube101x
@utube101x 7 жыл бұрын
I have tinnitus making it hard to pick up on high pitch noise. I appreciate the actual measurements and testing you've done.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate that!
@thewrongopinion7811
@thewrongopinion7811 6 жыл бұрын
Is the audio slightly out of sync? Helpful video though, thanks.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 жыл бұрын
It is embarrassingly out of sync by quite a lot. My mistake. 😀
@AngstBro
@AngstBro 5 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Zoom H4s are known for internal clock sync troubles, though.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 жыл бұрын
@@AngstBro This was my fault in this case. The clock sync challenges will be an issue in long takes. Generally things longer than 30 minutes.
@evanh.6462
@evanh.6462 5 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Why is this an issue? I was fixing to purchase the H4N pro for very long car interviews with multiple people at once and now you have me worried! Should I avoid it?
@evanh.6462
@evanh.6462 5 жыл бұрын
@@AngstBro Have you had issues with it yourself?
@iamfrankstallone
@iamfrankstallone 8 жыл бұрын
Brilliant review, as always. Thank you!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Frank!
@speliotis
@speliotis 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I had known about the H5... but def happy I invested in the H4 Pro.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@MarcelloScotti
@MarcelloScotti 5 жыл бұрын
great as usual, Curtis, once again thanks for your great reviews!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Marcello.
@atr8126
@atr8126 8 жыл бұрын
have you tested a cable with splitter so you can monitor without static?
@atr8126
@atr8126 8 жыл бұрын
sorry about the typo I forgot to type the part about going directly into the camera and monitoring at the same time just using the headphone jack
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
+atr8126 I haven't tried that, to be honest.
@atr8126
@atr8126 8 жыл бұрын
ok cool let me know how you thing the pro compares to the h6n ?
@atr8126
@atr8126 8 жыл бұрын
You give the dopest tuts playa
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
+atr8126 thanks!
@richarddlewis5422
@richarddlewis5422 11 ай бұрын
Great review!. Question: can I use one external mic that needs phantom power and one external mic that does not,,and not damage the mic that does not require the phantom power?
@haihoisua
@haihoisua 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Curtis, at 5:56, you connect the Line Level Output from H4N Pro to Mic Level Input of the camera, does it have any trouble in conflicting between Mic Level & Line Level?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын
It is basically a "consumer line level headphone output." So you can turn it down to work with a microphone input.
@whisperedlyricsasmr3996
@whisperedlyricsasmr3996 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Curtis. Great review. When, if ever, would you use the built in mic to record your sound? I just got mine with that use in mind, but all the vids I see speak about a connecting a shot gun or lav mic. So is it wrong to use the built in mics?
@TheDuasun
@TheDuasun 8 жыл бұрын
After watching review, i bought H4n pro. Didn't regret it. Very hepfull video. Thanx !
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Glad it is working well for you! Thanks!
@Yootjoob
@Yootjoob 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mr Judd, As a subscriber i am happy with your content, keep it up.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks, will do!
@StuporStudio
@StuporStudio 7 жыл бұрын
I love the review and I'm actually sold on the H4n pro. The only question is, will it be useful for what I am gonna use it for? On my channel you can see that I put out fullset live videos of hardcore/punk bands here in the Philippines. And I only use GoPro Hero 4 for everything, I will be changing cameras too (Canon 80D) but Is the H4n the right recorder for me? Thanks.
@RafalBorowski
@RafalBorowski 8 жыл бұрын
+Curtis Judd Great comparison. I would love to see a h4n Pro vs H5, but there is no such comparison video on KZbin. I really don't care about the dial vs rocker. The only thing that matters is the sound quality. It would be used for tutorial/screencast so... which one would you suggest? Or maybe none of those two are even the best option for screencasts and I should go for something else (in that price range)?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
For screencasts, if you're using external microphones, you might instead look at an audio interface like the Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (2nd gen): amzn.to/2eb5f0o But if you need the in-built microphones, I personally prefer he H5. Sound quality wise it is identical to the H4n Pro in my subjective tests.
@RafalBorowski
@RafalBorowski 8 жыл бұрын
Curtis Judd That's the thing that I don't need built in mic, but it was an all-in-one and as I don't know too much about audio (yet) I saw that as a convenient and safe option. So if you suggest the 2i2 would a Focusrite Scarlett Solo 2nd gen be practically the same just with one XLR? I won't be recording any audio from instrument or second voice so I guess that would be sufficient? And then combine that with a Rode NTG-2? That would come very similar in price to the n4h Pro or h5.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, but the 2i2 has two microphone inputs (XLR) so you have room to add a guest in the future. I'm curious why you chose the RODE NTG2 - are you capturing webcam footage along with the screencast where you want to keep the mic out of the frame?
@RafalBorowski
@RafalBorowski 8 жыл бұрын
Curtis Judd As for the second input for guest it's probably not going to be needed. And as far the RODE NTG2... well I saw it in couple of your reviews and you said it's an excellent mic plus the samples from it sounds great so.... again I'm just figuring this sound stuff from scratch. Is there a better option in that budget range? The mic will never be seen except for me - that's why on the beginning I was asking about zoom, because it's going to be just for indoor recording, no one will see it and it was an all-in-one solution.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Ok, that makes sense. The NTG2 is a good microphone but probably would not be my first choice for voice over for screencast in a small-ish room. For those cases, I use an Electrovoice RE20. This is a dynamic microphone which works well in typical home recording situations because it rejects most other room noise such as computer fans and reverberation in the room (echo). Here's a very affordable alternative: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3nKhHZpeJWjitk And here's the more expensive Electrovoice RE20: amzn.to/2dvdsdf Both work well with the Focusrite Scarlett 2i2.
@EPHONIC
@EPHONIC 8 жыл бұрын
Hey, Curtis. Thanks so much for this high quality review. Always enjoy your content. Question: Can I record the audio using an XLR mic to both my DSLR and the Zoom H4n Pro simultaneously so I have audio on both my media card for my camera and the Zoom? Also, I have a LUMIX G7 and want to monitor the audio with headphones. Can I use a line splitter so I can run audio to the camera from the Zoom and to headphones? Any insight and expertise would be greatly appreciated.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Hi, Yes, you can run the audio out of the zoom to camera. You'll need to experiment with your particular camera as that sometimes requires a special attenuation cable like this: bhpho.to/2m90KTL You'll want to test without the special cable first just to confirm (this is not something I have done personally). Yes, you could also use a splitter to monitor. There is a risk that will degrade the audio signal going to the camera so it is a tradeoff. For the scenario you outline, the Tascam DR-60DmkII may be a better option as it does not require the attenuation cable and has a separate headphone jack. I reviewed that over here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioPSeoCGfbhsZ7c
@EPHONIC
@EPHONIC 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Curtis. I will give it a shot.
@FunnyGuyTimmy
@FunnyGuyTimmy 8 жыл бұрын
Is there a way to slate audio using the H4n? Like for doing professional filming.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Hey Timmy, the H4n and the newer pro do not have an audio slate tone, unfortunately. I generally just clap in front of the talent once I have camera and sound rolling.
@FunnyGuyTimmy
@FunnyGuyTimmy 8 жыл бұрын
+Curtis Judd oh sorry I mean like naming files like scenes and takes for film.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Ah, you mean metadata entry. The only thing it allows is renaming files and that's pretty cumbersome with the jog dial, unfortunately.
@BestofSFStandup
@BestofSFStandup Жыл бұрын
Hi, great video! Thanks so much for taking the time to put this together!! Do you know if there is a remote mic adapter for the H4? Something I could plug into the "2" input that would connect to a remote mic placed elsewhere in the same room? Thanks, keep up the great vids!
@BogdanPalenciuc
@BogdanPalenciuc 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Curtis, great rewiev, can you tell me please, if there is difference quality from the jack line in vs xlr line in?
@lahoucinaderdour3614
@lahoucinaderdour3614 4 жыл бұрын
Hey I have a question what is the defferent between this one you showed and h4n pro black thanks
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын
No idea, I think they’re the same except for the black case.
@Calvarydima
@Calvarydima 3 жыл бұрын
Was it a balanced input? To take it long cable from soundboard for instance
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, the H4n Pro has balanced XLR/TRS inputs.
@AdeleDusenbury
@AdeleDusenbury Жыл бұрын
My question is this: Can I send audio from the H4nPro (I just ordered from B&H - arriving tomorrow) directly into my Sony HDR AX-700 camcorder. I record music recitals by graduate students at Stony Brook University. Currently, I place the old H4n (after 10 years, it's not 100% reliable) in the 2nd row of the recital hall, and operate my camcorder from the fourth row. Because I don't use any additional microphone, the audio recorder has to be close to the stage and I have to be farther away for video. After I edit the video, I combine them in iMovie. That cable you show connecting the H4n Pro to a camera is short, five inches or so. Is it possible to use a longer cable, maybe 20 feet? If so, what cable? Thank you for your video on the H4n Pro. I am excited to start using it.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd Жыл бұрын
I’d stick with your current workflow. Longer unbalanced cables are more likely to pick up more noise or interference.
@AdeleDusenbury
@AdeleDusenbury Жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Thank you, Curtis. I will take you advice for sure. I didn't really expect an answer since your post was seven years old. You are great. I am going to subscribe.
@PixelGRID
@PixelGRID 8 жыл бұрын
Great video man! Which audio interface or field recorder would you recommend in the same price bracket of H4N Pro (which would provide even cleaner and silent signal to phantom mics)? It doesn't matter if its field recorder or Audio interface. I just want cleaner signal. And, I'm about to make a purchase. So really thanks for putting this video. This helped a lot!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
H4n Pro, Tascam DR-60DmkII are very similar in terms of preamplifier self noise. They sound slightly different with the Zoom imparting a little more low-end (though not by a lot). Focusrite also makes some nice audio interfaces and the 2nd generation Scarlett series just came out a few months ago. Great option if you prefer an audio interface: amzn.to/2bfzd0r
@sameo2634
@sameo2634 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Curtis, can you tell me if the H4N Pro will accept a "hot" line level signal without need for an external attenuator pad? I seem to get conflicting info on this issue. Thank you!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын
It can take a line level signal if you use a 1/4" TRS cable. The H4n knows you're using a line level signal when you use that 1/4" input. You cannot send line level via XLR.
@80snostalgiareviews79
@80snostalgiareviews79 6 жыл бұрын
Can these be used as a boom mic for camera? Or is it better to go with a dedicated mic like the Shure VP83?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 жыл бұрын
I'd probably opt for a dedicated mic but that's a personal preference. The in-build microphone on the H series recorders are cardioid which is not as focused as most shotgun microphones. When recording dialogue for video, you usually want a more focused microphone like a shotgun. Good luck!
@telmopelicano
@telmopelicano 8 жыл бұрын
Once again, another great review! I have one question, are the zoom H1 pre-amps the same as the H4N or somewhere in between the H4N and the H4N pro?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
I suspect that the amplifier circuitry for the 3.5mm inputs is separate from the XLR inputs so they're not the same. I'll have to do a separate test of the 3.5mm inputs.
@zyrahfilms
@zyrahfilms 7 жыл бұрын
important question if the zoom pro rans out of battery while recording does the audio files still gets corrupted.
@KTHKUHNKK
@KTHKUHNKK 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Curtis Keith Kuhn here again. I saw this video quite a while back and I was just wondering . I was actually using my h4n zoom the other day not the pro but my regular one with the orange display. I also have the h4n zoom Pro. So my question is If I were to set them side by side and crank the recording volume up to say 95% outside exact same environment exact same settings. Do you think I would see a difference on the volume meters ? I truly love your knowledge base on these products that you review. I hope you understand my question. Thanks Keith
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 жыл бұрын
My guess is yes, the pro version would amplify a tiny bit more than the original H4n.
@KTHKUHNKK
@KTHKUHNKK 2 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Thank you so much Chris I truly like the fact that you at least reply back to your fans or whatever you want to call them. I think I will try that one day soon set them side by side exact same settings just to see if I can see a difference in the volume meters or the pickup. I will let you know the results thanks again. Keith Kuhn
@dirkwillemelsen8765
@dirkwillemelsen8765 6 жыл бұрын
thanks. I bought one. But I don't know if I need a attenuator when want to record from the mixer.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 жыл бұрын
You might. Here are some tips on recording from a mixer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqvQZHpqa9StrrM
@tfc1193
@tfc1193 8 жыл бұрын
Hey Curtis I didn't see a video from you on the tascam dr-44wl. I was wondering if you ever had a chance to use it and what your thoughts on it were
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Hey Travis, no I haven't had a chance to review the DR-44wl, unfortunately. Seems like a pretty nice little recorder.
@interactbiz2
@interactbiz2 7 жыл бұрын
Do you have suggestions for equipment to record conversations between two people, interviewer & interviewee, in the field? I'm thinking a Zoom recorder with two lavalier microphones. Must be compact for travel and work in variety of conditions, indoors and out.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 7 жыл бұрын
Sit-down interviews that are longer or the type where you walk up to someone and quickly interview them? If you go with two lavalier mics, you might find an audio adapter to be a better option because many of them have two 3.5mm mic inputs whereas most recorders, including the Zoom H series recorders only have one 3.5mm input. There aren't as many XLR based lavalier mics on the market. If the interview will be more like a newscast, a dynamic reporter's mic might be a better option. Let me know which direction you're headed and we can get some recommendations together for you.
@interactbiz2
@interactbiz2 7 жыл бұрын
Most often, it will involve short sit-downs but not in a studio setting, maybe in offices or relatively quiet public spaces. Other times, it might involve talking with someone in his/her work place with a bit of movement and ambient noise. Pinning a lavalier on someone seems to allow them to behave more naturally than when they have to worry about microphone positioning and are always aware of being recorded.
@andrew_soh
@andrew_soh 8 жыл бұрын
Are you using the sanken cos 11d on a rodelink for the outdoor part of this video? I couldn't hear any background noise at all. Amazing! And is it me or was there a slight delay in the lip sync for the outdoor part. Wireless issue? Thanks again for the review!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Andrew, This was recorded with a RODE NTG2 in a Rycote Cyclone wind cover. It does an amazing job at managing wind. Of course it was all recorded to the H4n Pro. Yes, I definitely had some sync issues here. Been fighting with the newest version of Premiere. Sorry for that. :(
@andrew_soh
@andrew_soh 8 жыл бұрын
Oh an NTG2...ok cool. No problem about the sync. Still appreciate the video. Thanks and keep it up!
@1608enrique
@1608enrique 7 жыл бұрын
Hello Curtis! thank you for your review; very usefull, i have a bit of a question; i need something to record live sessions of music that will vary from swing jazz , ballad, latin... up to rock, funk and alike, do you recomend this mike for that kind of recording? thank you again Curtis Judd!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 7 жыл бұрын
+Enrique Gago yes, the H4n Pro is a good option. If you plan to bet a feed from soundboards, there are better options. Good luck!
@brobra3280
@brobra3280 7 жыл бұрын
I am stuck with the zoom h4n, no pro, for a short film production... what is the best quick tip guide to getting a decent audio recording of the main actor's dialogue on set with a low end shotgun mic for this shoot? just need to look professional for now until I can upgrade. Any pitfalls to avoid?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 7 жыл бұрын
#1) get the microphone close to the actor. Close = 12-18 inches (
@betod63
@betod63 8 жыл бұрын
Nice review Curtis. Heve you compared the dynamic range of this new H4n Pro to the Tascam DR100 MKII that is still available at a reduced price?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Alberto, I sold off my DR-100mkII a couple of years ago. I can tell you from memory that its preamps were rather noisy by today's standards so I would definitely expect better noise performance from the new H4n Pro.
@itsjive8999
@itsjive8999 7 жыл бұрын
I thought I was going crazy...love the review btw but without any sort of ambience in the background my head was hurting for some reason.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 7 жыл бұрын
Sorry about that!
@itsjive8999
@itsjive8999 7 жыл бұрын
no worries dude. keep up the good work!
@Tekgila
@Tekgila 8 жыл бұрын
Sorry for my silly question. If hook up the H4n Pro to DSLR via 3.5mm, it will use the H4n Pro or DSLR's pre amp?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Both. But you'll want to use the H4n Pro's preamps to do most of the work and reduce the input level on your camera to its lowest setting to keep it's noisy amplification circuitry out of the path as much as possible.
@Tekgila
@Tekgila 8 жыл бұрын
+Curtis Judd Noted. Thanks so much for your help
@Drb3r
@Drb3r 7 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have a couple of questions, first I'd like to give you somewhat of a backstory. I don't have any experience with sound recording but I'm looking for the best handheld recorder to use for filmmaking (animation) purposes, I'd like to record sound effects, ambience sound, nature recordings and voice recording. I've done research and quickly found the Zoom H2n, then found the Zoom H4n, and now the Zoom H4n pro. These are the recorders I can afford. Now I understand the main difference between the H2n and H4n are options and the H4n pro is a greatly improved version. I would like the option to be able to mount it to my DSLR so I think that means scrapping the Zoom H2n, right? The H4n and pro version have XLR inputs so you can use an external mic with it. My questions about these are: Basically how this works. What is the role of the Zoom h4n pro in this, why would you use an external mic with it? What is the purpose of using an external mic, on a Zoom h4n pro, on a DSLR? I've watched many reviews, and the H4n pro seems like the best option out of these with more options for the future.. but I would basically like a bit more information and confirmation as to how this all works, from someone with experience before I make the purchase.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 7 жыл бұрын
Hi EvilYakuza, thanks for the question. The most important thing to getting high quality sound is to get the microphone close to the sound source. That's why camera microphones, whether built-in to the camera or mounted on top, do not generally produce the best results. Another factor is the quality of the microphone and the other circuitry that amplifies the sound and converts it to digital. In cameras, these are not usually very high quality. That's where the H4n Pro comes in. It is better on each of these than most camera microphones. So I would say first priority is to get a decent microphone closer to the sound source. For dialogue which is what I record in most cases, I use this method with a RODE VideoMic Pro into a recorder or even into the camera: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ioaonoR4j7CieNU Then if you really want to improve your sound, a recorder with a high quality XLR based microphone would be the next step. There's a ton of information scattered throughout my playlist: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJanaXWMjbtmgtU Best wishes!
@spandana_music
@spandana_music 7 жыл бұрын
Great review, as is always the standard with Curtis. And I took the last bit of advice very seriously. I've just moved up to a Zoom H5 from my old Zoom H4n. Fully worth it.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 7 жыл бұрын
Glad it worked out for you! Happy recording!
@md.mahmudulhassan2585
@md.mahmudulhassan2585 5 жыл бұрын
In the technical specifications it says the TRS connector of the h4n pro recorder is unbalanced,if I will record a lecture with my hypercardioid mic which have a balanced TRS jack then the record will be noisy or not?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 жыл бұрын
It depends. Unbalanced vs balanced has to do with how long a cable run you can use between the mic and preamp. If you use a short cable, less than 2 meters, and you keep the cable away from power cables or any other sources of EMF, you should be fine.
@md.mahmudulhassan2585
@md.mahmudulhassan2585 5 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd according to your statement, XLR will be noisy if the cable is more than 2 meters? your advice really help me a lot,may I no which one is better h4n pro or Tascam DR-40?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry, no, unbalanced will potentially pick up more noise when longer than 2 meters. I prefer the H4n Pro over the Tascam.
@drdimento
@drdimento 5 жыл бұрын
Nice review. How about the H5 having an issue with blowing out the preamps if you are using a condenser mic and unplug its' XLR while live? Do you know if this has been resolved? I had it happen, looked it up, and so have others. Thanks in advance for considering this question.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 жыл бұрын
Have heard of it once, but don't have direct experience with it. Thanks for sharing. Perhaps others here have experienced it?
@tonywilding9137
@tonywilding9137 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Curtis, thanks for the many reviews. Just wondered about the H5 preamps compared to those in the H4n pro, is there much difference? Which gives the best performance? Kind regards Tony
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Tony, I don't have an H5 on hand to do a formal comparison, but from the specs, they supply a bit more gain from what I remember. I wouldn't expect a HUGE difference, they're quite similar from my limited experience with the H5.
@tonywilding9137
@tonywilding9137 2 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Many thanks. For the price difference (less than £30 GBP) with the expansion available it may be the H5 to replace my original H4n (on/off switch failed). Thanks again. Kind regards Tony
@terset9912
@terset9912 6 жыл бұрын
Super happy with the H4N which I got about 8 years ago. No need for filming, just home audio recording. But if someone was buying now, probably best to spend the few extra bucks. I do prefer the display on the pro over H4n amber, however.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 жыл бұрын
I agree. Thanks for that!
@phrankus2009
@phrankus2009 5 жыл бұрын
I am an electric guitar student with a notebook DAW and I chose the H4n PRO bc of the various FX, modelling, filters, etc. … Do the H5 / H6 provide as much guitar support ?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure, I’m a sound for video guy. Maybe somebody else here knows.
@dpollock333
@dpollock333 8 жыл бұрын
Curtis, I just bought a Behringer dynamic mic (ultravoice XM8500) I was planning to use for interviews. I bought an XLR to 1/8 inch cable which I planned to run into my Zoom H1. But when I tried out the Behringer mic / Zoom H1 combo, the sound was terrible - like an old am radio from the 50's. I thought it was the mic's fault, but then I tried it with a small mixing board, using a regular XLR cable running into an XLR input on the board. This time the sound was great, and I was well satisfied. But of course I can't carry around a mixing board when I interview. So why didn't the cable work with the H1 - and if I get an H4n, and run a regular XLR cable into it, will I get great sound like with the mixing board?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
+Dennis Pollock hi Dennis, dynamic microphones need a lot of gain and when they have xlr output, produce a balanced signal. Converting from xlr to 3.5mm changes it to an unbalanced signal and may also change the impedance. But the bigger issue is that dynamic mics need a lot of gain from the preamp, more than a Zoom H1 can provide. It should sound a lot better on a recorder with xlr inputs. I would recommend you have a look at this recent review of recorders if you plan to go down that route: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoPHXqGQfKyGrJY
@dpollock333
@dpollock333 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks, that makes sense - although I can't imagine why they even make cables with xlr on one end and 1/8 inch on the other, since it degrades the sound so badly. Guess I'll return the cable.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
+Dennis Pollock those adapter cables can work ok with self-powered condenser microphones like the RODE Ntg4+.
@alwil89
@alwil89 8 жыл бұрын
Great help! I do have a question though. What is the jack in the back of the h4n for exactly? Isn't it for 3.5mm jacks? If so, what is the purpose of having a 3.5mm to XLR cable converter if you can just use that jack in the back for say, a mini rode mic (3.5mm)? Is there a difference in sound quality?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, the jack on the back is a 3.5mm TRS stereo microphone input. It can provide plugin power which many lavalier microphones need. Adapting from 3.5mm to XLR only works for microphones which do NOT need plugin power. So you cannot use most lavalier mics with a 3.5mm to XLR adapter. You could, however, adapt microphones like a RODE VideoMic Pro from 3.5mm to XLR. I hope that helps!
@alwil89
@alwil89 8 жыл бұрын
It does! Thanks! So can it use 5 mics if there is a Rode mic connected through the 3.5mm adapter or would one of the mics be cancelled out? If that makes sense..
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
I believe that the H4n only records a total of 4 tracks simultaneously.
@alwil89
@alwil89 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@woodant7
@woodant7 3 жыл бұрын
Curtis, I have a small duo concert to film in a couple of weeks - one acoustic guitar plugged into an amplifier and a flute - playing inside a record store. I have the Zoom H4n Pro and a small sony recorder (ux-560 with 44.1KHz/16bit capable) and the small Rode mini mic. How would you set both (or one to get a good sound)? My initial thought was to get the Zoom in front of both players with the internal (120-degree set) at their instrument level and set my small Sony with the mini rode closer to the guitar amplifier to have an option of adjusting the guitar levels a bit if needed. Any thoughts to share once I can't think of anybody else here I'd trust. I'd highly appreciate any answer. Thank you.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын
I would put the zoom in front of both of them, hopefully with one of the mics on each of them. For the smaller recorder, I'd focus more on the flute, which I assume is more likely to get lost in the mix since it isn't going to be amplified?
@woodant7
@woodant7 3 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Curtis, thank you so much for the feedback. I wondered I should use any other kind of mic plugged into it but I guess the two internal mics (120 degrees) will be fine for this; yes, I'll do that and use the small one on the flute. Thank you again :)!!
@mcarrizosac
@mcarrizosac 5 жыл бұрын
Great review! Question: does it make sense to use H4n pro with a Pro Lavalier Lapel Microphone JK MIC-J 044? Will Quality and/or noise reduction be affected? Or do i really have to buy XLR mics? I'm a newbie so i'm a bit lost Here. Great channel, thank you!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Manuel, the 3.5mm TRS plug version of the JK MicJ 044 will work fine. Be sure to get the version for Zoom recorders and not the version for Sennheiser.
@mcarrizosac
@mcarrizosac 5 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Can't thank you enough! New fan here!
@WolfFeX
@WolfFeX 8 жыл бұрын
is it okay to use a digital audio interface like focusrite Scarlett to record sound in a separate room on a laptop? using wireless lavs and wireless boom with a sound devices preamp?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
+Rhandy yes, absolutely. Pricey but possible.
@63MacGuy
@63MacGuy 7 жыл бұрын
Great video. Does the H4n Pro or H5 have dual recording like the Tascam DR-40?
@BEBauer007
@BEBauer007 8 жыл бұрын
Another thorough review man, as always. Thank u!!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
+Blake Bauer you're welcome!
@RickyGarcia_Learning
@RickyGarcia_Learning 8 жыл бұрын
Dang Curtis! Helped me out with two videos in one week! Thanks!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
The pleasure is all mine!
@ApertureApex
@ApertureApex 8 жыл бұрын
Although the Tascam 70D m2 doesn't have built in mics, how would you say it's preamps compare to the Zoom H4 Pro? Thanks Curtis
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
While I haven't done a formal test to compare these two, they're quite similar based on my experience. Subjectively, I usually think of the Tascam preamps as having a cleaner sound and the Zooms have a slightly warmer sound but the difference is really subtle. Also, the DR-70D actually does have a set of built-in mics but I probably wouldn't rely on them aside for capturing the slate clap.
@ApertureApex
@ApertureApex 8 жыл бұрын
+Curtis Judd Thank you very much for your speedy response ! I highly regard you advice and I look forward to your other great, informative videos !! :)
@willy0297
@willy0297 3 жыл бұрын
One question: If I want to do an interview of one talent but using two microphones (boom and lav), how do I setup the recorder (specifically Zoom H4n Pro) so that I can get two separate tracks; one for Boom mic (the main audio) and the other track for the Lav mic (redundancy)? I've been thinking about this for a while. Thank you in advance.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын
The XLR inputs record to separate tracks in the H4n Pro. So in the rec menu, set it to record each input to its own track - I don't have the recorder on hand here to tell the exact setting names.
@willy0297
@willy0297 3 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Thank you very much for the answer!
@AnilAnvesh
@AnilAnvesh 8 жыл бұрын
+Curtis Judd which mic you recommend for Nikon D3300 camera, Sony ECM-CS10 or Sennheiser ME 2?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
+Anil Anvesh both are decent options, both are mid-grade lavaliers.
@zbyszekolko3998
@zbyszekolko3998 8 жыл бұрын
Is the "academic test" of checking noise floor you talk about a kind of standard procedure? How to make it repeatable with other hardware? I do worry of different generator levels causing different preamp gains. Another question - can you check round trip latency when used as usb interface? Thank you for the test - very useful and proffesional!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Zbyszek, thanks. The test was a practical test and is not necessarily reproducible unless you have the same microphone, cable, and studio. :) It was pretty much just meant as one example of what can be achieved with the H4n Pro. Unfortunately I had to send the unit back to B&H so I don't have it on hand to test latency when used as an audio interface. I would expect it to be on the average to long latency end of the spectrum relative to other dedicated interfaces.
@DemonJolt
@DemonJolt 7 жыл бұрын
Can you use it as a USB interface through XLR? And if so, does it provide phantom power?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 7 жыл бұрын
+DemonJolt you can connect theH4n Pro to your computer via USB so that you can record XLR mics to your computer. And yes, it will provide phantom power.
@DemonJolt
@DemonJolt 7 жыл бұрын
Does it work like a regular one, where I can plug my headphones in and hear PC sound from it?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, it works like a regular audio interface where you can plug headphones into the H4n and listen to your computer audio.
@shonjones7231
@shonjones7231 7 жыл бұрын
What shot gun mike what would you recommend. I am just using an Audia-Technica 3.5 shotgun mike.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 7 жыл бұрын
Depends on the budget available. Here's a comparison of several at different prices: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJanaXWMjbtmgtU
@WisLockman
@WisLockman 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Curtis. I just got my new H4n Pro. I want to get the Rode Filmmakers Kit to hookup to my iPad Air 2 or iPhone 6 S Plus. This is a first recorder for me. What other cables do I need to hook this all together so it has good sound? I enjoy watching your video's.
@LearnLightAndSoundSessions
@LearnLightAndSoundSessions 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Kenneth, a 3.5mm TRS to 3.5mm TRRS adapter cable should do the job. Here's an example: amzn.to/2iwb9qY Best wishes!
@WisLockman
@WisLockman 8 жыл бұрын
Just to let you know, I got 3 cables today. You can never have enough extras. The cable works great with my H4n Pro and iPad Air 2. Thanks again for the help.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
You're welcome and happy recording!
@morsyone
@morsyone 8 жыл бұрын
Can I directly write the sound through H4N pro into the camera? (Without further synchronization software) thanks you!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Yes. You can use the headphone/line out port to connect a 3.5mm to 3.5mm stereo minijack cable to your camera.
@morsyone
@morsyone 8 жыл бұрын
Many thanks! Excuse me for a similar question, but its possible connect my dslr to h4n pro without this cable ->> www.ebay.com/itm/Sescom-LN2MIC-ZOOMH6-3-5mm-Line-Mic-25db-9-DSLR-Cable-for-Zoom-H6-4032A-/322240350610?hash=item4b07058992:m:meVmHq3MciaJ7e3fvoMDklg ?? Can I use (for example) only this cables -->> www.ebay.com/itm/3-5mm-Stereo-Audio-Male-to-2-Female-Headphone-Mic-TRRS-Y-Splitter-Cable-Adapter-/172147355688?hash=item2814c83028:g:cGMAAOSwZ8ZW9kH1 www.ebay.com/itm/Vention-0-5M-1M-1-5M-3-5mm-Jack-Male-to-Male-Audio-AUX-Stereo-Extension-Cable-/141942562442?var=&hash=item210c6f9e8a:m:mfaPcrwum4vsWn9epLuQg9w and get a good sound is already in my camera? I'm sorry for my English =)
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, you can use this: www.ebay.com/itm/Vention-0-5M-1M-1-5M-3-5mm-Jack-Male-to-Male-Audio-AUX-Stereo-Extension-Cable-/141942562442?var=&hash=item210c6f9e8a:m:mfaPcrwum4vsWn9epLuQg9w It will be better sound than your camera would record.
@morsyone
@morsyone 8 жыл бұрын
Oh, thank you very much!!! You have a very interesting channel! Good luck to you!
@Pikmeir
@Pikmeir 8 жыл бұрын
I currently record my lav with the Tascam DR-05. But I got a gift card to B&H and am thinking of getting a 2nd recorder for doing video with 2 people. Would it be worth it to upgrade to something like the H4N Pro for the 2nd recorder? Or the H5? Or do you think I should upgrade to the Tascam DR-40? Or is there something better in that affordable range? Or should I just get a 2nd DR-05? Lol. Hard to pick. I know I can spend $600~$800 and get a more professional one but this is for KZbin and small productions only so I was hoping $250 or under. Would appreciate any input you have. I don't mind spending a bit more for a significant improvement over the DR-05, but don't want to just waste money either. I also don't really notice much difference myself because I've never done a full comparison of how the DR-05 is sounding.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
The 3.5mm inputs on the Zoom H1 are a little cleaner than the DR-05 in my experience so that may be worth considering. If you're not planning to use XLR inputs, the H4n Pro and above are probably overkill. I hope that helps!
@alotl1kevegas860
@alotl1kevegas860 3 жыл бұрын
Great video as always. I keep finding your videos on my search for a recorder, and tips/tricks. Subscribed. Curious what your opinion/recommendation is on the H4N Pro vs the H6? Will be using mainly to record motorcycle engine/exhaust noise. And occasionally voice overs for Repair videos. Much appreciated, thank you 🙏
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I’m not an expert on recording engines, but I’d probably opt for the H6.
@LukeFlegg
@LukeFlegg 7 жыл бұрын
The sound quality in this windy outdoor recording is too good
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, I used a Rycote Cyclone wind cover which makes it sound like a studio recording. For a narrative piece, I would also record some wind as a backing track to make it more realistic. The reason to use the wind cover is to prevent the wind from blowing across the microphone capsule and distorting the sound.
@JimmyDevere
@JimmyDevere 7 жыл бұрын
Do you have a link or model for the cyclone? I just did a quick search and what popped up was +$500! Twice as much as the mic! Is that what you are using? If so, are there any other lower cost alternatives you might recommend for the Rode NTG2? Thanks!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Jimmy, There are, of course, less expensive options but they are not as effective. Could still perhaps do the job in wind that is not as extreme: amzn.to/2gOfUfR RODE also makes a blimp style cover that is priced at $299: bhpho.to/2z46Rym
@JimmyDevere
@JimmyDevere 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Curtis!
@sidehop
@sidehop 3 жыл бұрын
Noticeable ambient hiss with H4n than the H4n Pro too :) Thank you for this!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 3 жыл бұрын
👍
@juntangphotography
@juntangphotography 7 жыл бұрын
Hey Curtis, great video. Have seen a bunch of your videos, however this will be my first question. I have previously use the Juicelink RA333 because I can have one XLR input, and split the line into 2. And the 2nd records at a -12dB lower as backup. In case of clipping. I understand I can use an XLR splitter and record different levels. However, does the H4n Pro have the ability to split the input and record at a different level? If so, would love a quick video on that. Thanks again for your content.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Jun Tang, unfortunately it does not have that feature as far as I am aware. One thing you could do is feed the audio to your camera and record at a lower level on the recorder, a hotter level in camera. That way you have the option in post. Good luck!
@rlrrlrll
@rlrrlrll 5 жыл бұрын
@Curtis Judd I've watched 2 of your videos, great videos! I want to record my drums, I'm not that deep into filmmaking (yet). But I subscribed, your content is great and the review is on point not too much blah blah around it. At the end you talk about the H5 and the gain knobs, now my question is can I adjust the gain knobs to exactly the same levels on mic input 1 and 2? Because they are independendly I might have a problem with recording with the exact same levels once I adjust one gain knob. SO the H4 has the side buttons but they allow to perfectly put any number between 1 and 100 I think, with the gain knobs that's not possible, or am I wrong? I used the h4 and I have doubts about the h5 because I need reproducable settings for the 2 external mics....Thank you! :)
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Swizzy, thanks for the question. The H5's preamps can supply a bit more gain which is the main reason I suggest it over the H4n Pro. But if getting the levels gained up exactly the same, the H4n does have that advantage.
@rlrrlrll
@rlrrlrll 5 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Zoom writes they have the same preamps in the h4pro as the h5 and h6 so I really wonder why the gain is so much different... Although playing drums is so loud on the h4 i had to set 'mic level' to 25 which is very low + external mics also set that low and -10dB. As far as my understanding goes, gain is needed to adjust the input level/volume of the mic. When weak signals need to be recorded there's the need of more gain, right? My case is the exact opposite. I guess I'll just go with the h4 pro :D thank you for your input!
@thogan
@thogan 8 жыл бұрын
Since these recorders can't record a safety file when using an external microphone, what settings do you use for recording dramatic dialogue to prevent clipping when one of the actors has dialogue with some parts where they are shouting?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
I leave plenty of headroom and if I know ahead of time that they are going to shout, I leave even more headroom. For normal speech, I aim to get the peaks hitting -12dB. If I know they're going to shout, I might aim for -18 during the speech parts to leave enough room for the shouts. If I'm hand booming a mic, I'll also back the mic off a little during the shouts.
@thogan
@thogan 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@JimineyBob
@JimineyBob 8 жыл бұрын
If you were to pick between the Zoom H4n or the Tascam DR-60DmkII, which one would you pick if you could only use the Rode NTG-2 as your the microphone? Thanks!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
I would pick the H4n Pro or the Tascam DR-60DmkII. I prefer the Tascam because it has more physical controls which means less menu diving.
@JimineyBob
@JimineyBob 8 жыл бұрын
+Curtis Judd okay sweet!
@SerLaama
@SerLaama 8 жыл бұрын
Question: I'm thinking of getting a Zoom or similar system for recording performances (both live and "studio") of classical music - mainly solo instruments and small ensembles, perhaps larger ensembles such as orchestras and choirs as well. Should I get a Zoom and an external mic or another kind of setup? And if a Zoom + external mic is the best solution, what kinds should I get? I'm thinking of spending around 300-400 € on the equipment, though 400 isn't an absolute limit. I'm a student so I'd rather not spend egregious amounts of money on the equipment, but money isn't so tight that I would like to make huge compromises in the quality.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
I would start with a Zoom H4n Pro, H5, or H6 and see how you go. Positioning the recorder will be the most critical thing you'll want to experiment with to get the sound you'd like. You can always add an external microphone or two at a later date. Best wishes!
@konstantinivanov8951
@konstantinivanov8951 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review ! But still curious , which one would be better overall h4n pro or h5 ? Thanks !
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
+Konstantin_one personal preference. My preference is the H5.
@fidelehurgler2830
@fidelehurgler2830 8 жыл бұрын
Outstanding videos to learn about audiorecording, thanks a lot! Does it make sense to use the H4n Pro with the Audiotechnica 4053b?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
+Fidele Hurgler sure, worked nicely together in my tests.
@MrCoillote
@MrCoillote 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Curtis, I really appréciate your video which is the most professionnal I've seen on Zoom product. I do decide to buy a H4N Pro so, I'm not yet one. Experimenting serious trouble with the external alimentation. When I'm connecting Line (unbalanced) mics on baterry it's ok. When I'm plugin the external alimentation I have 50Hz +15-18dB background noise. Can you have a check by your side on Zoom products with external alim ? I just can't figure where the problem come, bad alim or bad inside zoom isolation or bad electrical mass. Just wanna know if other product suffer from same disease ?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 жыл бұрын
Hi, I do not have the H4n Pro still, just borrowed it for the review. Probably best to contact Zoom support. Sounds like a ground loop issue.
@romari2706
@romari2706 8 жыл бұрын
Do the XLR inputs provide enough power to run studio dynamic microphones like the Rode Reporter?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, much better than the H4n.
@wayneJohnsPhotographer
@wayneJohnsPhotographer 6 жыл бұрын
About to record an interview at an indoor location. Which option do you recommend. Mics- 2 x Samson Q2U - with either - Zoom h4n pro on its own or into macbook with adobe audition or same mics into Behringer U-PHORIA UMC204HD and adobe audition? Is one solution better than the other? Thanks in advance.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 жыл бұрын
Probably into the Behringer. The H4n Pro isn't great with dynamic microphones like the Q2u. Good luck!
@wayneJohnsPhotographer
@wayneJohnsPhotographer 6 жыл бұрын
Curtis Judd thank you for a quick reply Curtis, much appreciated. :) perhaps I should think about upgrading the Samson mics to something a little better. :)
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 жыл бұрын
I don't mean to imply that dynamic microphones are bad, just that they need a lot of gain. They're actually my preference for hand-held mics for interviews in noisy locations.
@MatthewBelonio
@MatthewBelonio 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I do like the knobs of h5,6. I actually also like the form factor of xlrs going out sideways h6 if I Wer to shoulder mount it as well. Hmmm
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
The H6 is a solid choice. I borrowed one from B&H for about a month and found it to work really well except that the screen was tough to see when shooting outdoors.
@MatthewBelonio
@MatthewBelonio 8 жыл бұрын
thanks for the response! went to guitar center today. impressed with the h5 and the knob protector made it feel solid and refined (felt super good in the hand). the h6 is interesting tho...if i want to record 6 xlr inputs...and do that sort of thing :D
@MarlonLopez
@MarlonLopez 8 жыл бұрын
Very good video. Can do a video comparing the H4N Pro vs. H6N?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
I did a review of the H6 last year. I would say audio quality wise they are pretty much identical. The H6 has more features. You might find this review helpful: www.learnlightandsound.com/blog/2015/06/29/zoom-h6-my-impressions-after-4-weeks?rq=zoom%20h6 And here you can listen to it relative to a Tascam recorder and a Sound Devices audio interface: kzbin.info/www/bejne/amjPZKxmiLaiY8k I hope that helps.
@MarlonLopez
@MarlonLopez 8 жыл бұрын
Ok. Yes, i will take a look at it, but more or less i wanted to now as far as audio quality which, you've answered and also the floor noise.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, same with noise floor, pretty much identical between the H6 and H4n Pro in my tests.
@VannakKann
@VannakKann 8 жыл бұрын
How do you set this device using xlr mic in mono. When i tried to record it from my mic and plug in my headphone, i can only hear from 1 side. However i am able to use the mono mix, but it records in stereo.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
+Vannak Kann yes, mono mode records the same thing to both channels. Technically it should be called dual mono. As for headphone monitoring, I had to send the H4n Pro back to B&H who loaned it to me but I'll see if I can test that out on the H4n when I get home.
@IanLewis10
@IanLewis10 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! When you recorded the audio from the Zoom H4n Pro did you modify the audio in post to get rid of hissing noises? Or Is this how the audio sounds directly from the H4n Pro?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Ian, I did not apply any noise reduction so you’re hearing it without any cleanup. Note that some microphones will still produce some self noise as we discussed so I’d steer clear of mics like the RODE NTG2 just to save yourself that hiss.
@IanLewis10
@IanLewis10 5 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Yikes! I just bought the RODE NTG4+. Which mic do you recommend I use for film? Thanks you!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 жыл бұрын
@@IanLewis10 Well, give it a try and see how it goes. 😀
@stergioskoutsonis2801
@stergioskoutsonis2801 7 жыл бұрын
Great review thanks! I am also a musician and interested in recording a grand piano, classical music. I need a recorder which provides as much as cleaner and realistic sound. I am also not an expert an all this stuff so which maybe you would think is better? H4n, H4n pro or maybe something more expensice like h5? Thanks!
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 7 жыл бұрын
My preference would be for the H5, not because it sounds significantly better than the H4n Pro but because it is easier to use with its input dials instead of a fiddly rocker switch for setting input levels.
@stergioskoutsonis2801
@stergioskoutsonis2801 7 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@JoeCnNd
@JoeCnNd 8 жыл бұрын
Does this need an SD card when you directly record into the camera through the 3.5 jack?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
I had to send it back (I borrowed it for this review) so you'd need to test it to be certain. I don't think it is necessary (guessing)
@gotopcpanik
@gotopcpanik 4 жыл бұрын
Not sure to buy the new H4n Pro black or the Tascam DR40x. Want to use them as an USB interface too. Do you have any suggestions?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын
I wish I did but I haven't used the new black edition - which evidently has newer preamps - or the DR-40X. Based on other reviews I've seen, I'd probably lean toward the H4n Black.
@gotopcpanik
@gotopcpanik 4 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Nevermind. Thank you for your opinion on this.
@gotopcpanik
@gotopcpanik 4 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd in the meanwhile I ordered the H4n Pro Black. And I'm not so happy with it. *) The 5V input for the external power supply is a 4mm * 1.7mm barrel connector. A common USB mini / micro / C port would have made more sense to be able to use a power bank. *) A power supply via the existing USB mini connection is only possible when connected to a computer in SD-Card reading and Interface-Mode. (The Tascam DR-40 can be supplied with all microphones via the USB port at any time, even when recording) *) There is no USB-A to USB-Mini adapter-cable for PC connection shipped. *) There is no USB-A to 4mm barrel-connector adapter-cable to supply the recorder with a power bank shipped. *) The manual speaks several times about the supplied 5V power supply AD-14. This is not included but has to be purchased optionally. *) The interface mode requires too much power, so that mobile recording with an iPad and an active USB-connection-kit is not possible without an active USB hub in between. *) With a 16GB SD card that has been formatted in the device, the recorder needs almost 30 seconds after switching on to be ready for recording. (Tascam DR-40 approx. 3 seconds) *) No protection of the microphones in the event of a fall. *) The device is extremely top heavy due to the heavy microphone holder, so that it falls onto the microphones with 100% probability. *) The operation via the side menu wheel is extremely impractical, especially since it also acts very spongy and imprecise. *) when connected to a computer, the display does not light to select the function, only after that. *) The sampling frequency of the interface mode must be reset each time and is also only 44.1 or 48 kHz, but not 96 kHz. *) The recorder is very heavy These points are certainly not a problem for everyone, but for me who previously owned a DR-40, many are a step backwards. The recording quality of the H4n Pro, however, is excellent. There is of course nothing to say. And this is the main purpose of an audio recorder. Nevertheless, I find the operation and handling of the Tascam DR-40 miles better.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 4 жыл бұрын
@@gotopcpanik Hi again - thanks for the detailed review! Are you considering returning it or exchanging for the DR-40x?
@gotopcpanik
@gotopcpanik 4 жыл бұрын
@@curtisjudd Hello Curtis, my first intention was to exchange it for the DR-40X, but then I saw that the H5 is currently available for only € 10 more than the H4n pro. So I ordered that and send the H4n back. In the end it is now € 60 more than for the DR-40X, but I strongly suspect that the investment will be worth it after listening to a few more examples of the DR-40X and the high-noise pre-amps. I mean, I never had any problems with my DR-40 and was satisfied, but I also never recorded with dynamic microphones. The interface function is important to me. I hope that the H5 can be used as described without an additional active USB hub. Apparently he does not have the disadvantages mentioned with the power supply compared to the H4n Pro. And fyi: the new black edition of the H4n Pro seems to be absolute the same as the silver one. Same firmware, same manual from 2016.
@davyfbkk
@davyfbkk 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Curtis, I have been following you for quite a while and really enjoy they way you present. So a couple of questions for you: I had the H4n and had to have the on/off switch replaced on two occasions which cost $60 each time, which was very bad. Also the battery cover attaching points broke as well, so quite disappointing. Do you know if the new pro version has upgraded the switch and battery cover?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 жыл бұрын
Hi David, It appears to me that there has been no change to the power switch or the battery cover, unfortunately. Thanks!
@davyfbkk
@davyfbkk 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Curtis, That's what I thought by watching these reviews. For a bit of background; I was teaching video productions at Stamford Uni in Bkk and both of their units did not last very long before the on/off switches and battery covers broke and it's quiet disappointing that such a well know audio recorder, is let down by poorly designed important parts. I am considering buying the H5, but I think it also uses the same power on switch. However, thanks so much for all your very helpful videos.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks David. Yes, these handy recorders aren't the most robust for rough and tumble filmmaking, probably better suited to lighter weight jobs. The Zoom F4/F8 or Sound Devices MixPre are more expensive but both far more robust in terms of build.
@RJM1982
@RJM1982 8 жыл бұрын
how did you set up the outside shots with the mic? do you have a boom mic stand that is out of frame?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Century stand with boom holder, K-tek boom pole, RODE NTG2 shotgun mic inside of Rycote Cyclone (to manage all the wind).
@RJM1982
@RJM1982 8 жыл бұрын
If you put this on the ground while you speak will it still pick up your voice clearly?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
No, not really. With the exception of long shotgun microphones (which can be 2 feet long or longer), no microphone can sound clear and rich that far away. It will work, but it'll sound like the mic is sitting on the ground. The number one thing one can do to improve the quality of sound recordings is to get the mic within 30 or 40cm from the mouth of the person talking.
@supriabudiman
@supriabudiman 6 жыл бұрын
Holla Thanks for this great video Btw i have question Can i plug condenser mic or something like that to this device so i can plug it to pc (like phantom pro jobs) ?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 6 жыл бұрын
Hi, yes, you can plug XLR based condenser microphones into the H4n and connect the H4n to your computer via USB to use it as an audio interface. And yes, it will supply phantom power to the microphone.
@Slyou333
@Slyou333 8 жыл бұрын
hello curtis i have one begginer question :) when you use an external recoder like the ZOOM H1 with a video mike pro boom mike style , if you then feed the line out to your dslr , will you have the exact same sound quality on the dslr recording compare to the zoom sound ? because i synch video and sound in post so i just wondering if im wasting my time. Thanks a lot
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
+Slyou333 no, the DSLR recording will be 16 bit where the H1 can be 24 bit. That may or may not make a difference for many people. Also, different inputs sound different and that is more likely to make a practical difference that people can hear. I usually do not use DSLRs or mirrorless cameras to record quality audio.
@Slyou333
@Slyou333 8 жыл бұрын
thanks for your answer :) so if i may ask what is the point of doing it if you already recording with an external device ? I heard people saying they do that to have a backup recording , but to me i was thinking if the external doesnt record properly for some reason then what you record on dslr with the line out will have the same problem no ? so i just didnt get it :)
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
+Slyou333 I agree completely! What it does help with is making sync easier in post because you'll have a better scratch track in the video files.
@Slyou333
@Slyou333 8 жыл бұрын
Curtis Judd ok thanks :)
@MichaelMa
@MichaelMa 8 жыл бұрын
Do you think it provides enough clean gain to record from a Shure SM7B? I think it needs about +60 db.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
I would look to a recorder with more clean gain available. The SM7b demands so much from the preamps that the H4n Pro would be working at the very edge of its capabilities. That or add a cloudlifter: amzn.to/2lEbUn3
@MichaelMa
@MichaelMa 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Curtis. That SM7B is so unexpectedly demanding. No one tells you that you need all this stuff until you bring it home and start looking up things on the Internet on why it doesn't sound like the most amazing mic that everyone says it is.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Michael, I'm sorry, I should have said something earlier. :( Maybe that will be a good episode for the future. Dynamic microphones in general need strong preamps to work well.
@MichaelMa
@MichaelMa 8 жыл бұрын
No worries Curtis. I already have a working solution, but it was a month long of troubleshooting in itself. I was hoping that I could plug the SM7B directly to a H4n Pro and avoid a long chain of workarounds.
@henrikolsen5
@henrikolsen5 5 жыл бұрын
I don't have a stereo mic available, or two suitable mics for manual X, XY or similar setup. I only have a stereo mic in a DSLR or in the original H4N. If doing ambient sound, I'd like it to be stereo (although it has to approximately match direction of camera, in case it's taken async to video). As the H4N has some rather unimpressive preamps, but does have a set of stereo mics, would it be possible, and a good idea, to somehow use those with an available MixPre (better preamps)? How would you hook it up? Other tips for recording background ambience? Thanks.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Henrik, Unfortunately, I don't know how to take the H4n's mics and feed them directly through better preamps since they are wired in to the H4n. You could, however, potentially use a similar XY mic array into the Zoom F series recorders, but I think the preamp is in the mic module so that would still get you the same results. You might consider using a stereo microphone like the RODE NT4.
@ronmack2345
@ronmack2345 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. What basic settings do you recommend for the H4N Pro for recording outdoor sounds such as car horns, buses passing by, etc..? I recorded with the H4N Pro last weekend and there was a humming sound. I not sure if it was the wind? the audio was unusable. I will subscribe to your channel. Your videos are great.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Ron, I would set the input level so that the sounds take the meter no higher than -12dB. Also, if you're working outdoors, you will need some wind protection for the mic. Ideally, you'll want a blimp cover. If not, a Rycote Softie may help in light winds: amzn.to/2vNyWZU
@antoinevanderstraeten1315
@antoinevanderstraeten1315 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review ! In your opinion how does the preamps of the H4n pro compare to the H5 and H6 ?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks, the H4n Pro's preamps sound the same as the H5 and H6 to my ears.
@Orf
@Orf 7 жыл бұрын
When I try to livestream audio from H4n my voice pitch become too high (chipmunk) or too low. How can I fix this?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 7 жыл бұрын
Hmm, I'm not sure. Might be best to contact Zoom support. Good luck!
@dorian3260
@dorian3260 7 жыл бұрын
Hi! This question might be premature because I just got my H4n pro and I'm still watching you guys explain it, lol. You've saved me a trip to Guitar Center, for sure. Basically, I was content recording myself playing harmonica, using jam tracks on KZbin, with my Canon digital camera/recorder. (Check out my practice videos on KZbin, if you like) I find that I am more comfortable watching myself play than I ever was watching myself working out. The sound is plenty good for soloing, but I find that if I record myself playing along with a CD or record, the camera equalizes the sound, so that I wind up playing over the singer. How can I get a good mix with the H4n Pro?
@JohnAldred
@JohnAldred 8 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised they didn't switch out the gain buttons for an actual dial. That was the single biggest thing that put me off the original H4n and went for the DR-100 instead (the original one - the MkII was still a couple of years away). The other reason that when I tested them out side by side, the preamps didn't sound as good in the H4n (but now I know why - I was testing with an NTG1). The H4n Pro looks like a nice improvement, but those gain buttons still put me off.
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
I agree. I suspect that the H4n has so much market recognition that this was a way for Zoom to update it with their more recent preamps and call it good for those who would have bought an H4n anyway. I'd opt for the H5 for that input dial/potentiometer for sure.
@eltouristoduo
@eltouristoduo 8 жыл бұрын
The H4n/pro is better IF you want overdubbing, (and FX getting recorded). The FX are ok but crippled by being recordable only, you can't apply them after recording. But the H4n is still the best, and about only one that starts to resemble a '4-tract' style for recording along with playback, overdubs etc. (not a typical video use) I tried Tascam's. Didn't do that. And the H5 and H6 don't do that. Idk if they have limiters, that can be a good thing if you can set it right to just have your back in emergency but not be working all them time. It depends on what you are trying to do. Nowhere near as good as an actual 4-track, but for the size (and mounting) and price, I'd rather have it than an actual 4-track. I don't really find the mic level adjustment a problem, don't find myself craving dials. But I do wish it took other mic capsules like those do.
@dejffjed
@dejffjed 8 жыл бұрын
Hi there. Thanks for your videos first of all. Now, can the H4n record from external and internal mics at the same time?
@curtisjudd
@curtisjudd 8 жыл бұрын
Yes, it can. Thanks.
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