Custer's Last Stand | FINAL PART | Wounded Knee Massacre

[@eshaibraheem4218]

You have brought this history so vividly to life, that it feels as though it happened fairly recently, which only emphasises our sadness and pain. That you have now finished your story is also sad: it has been the podcast of the year, for me, at least.Thank you very much.👏👏👏

[@robbieclark7828]

It really did happen fairly recently.

[@VaucluseVanguard]

Just joined from Bangui in Central African Republic. A bit late, but you have fans everywhere!

[@halfaquarter2308]

@VaucluseVanguard Best wishes from Wales, UK

[@fleurs1234]

This sad story is brought to life by 2 men talking into a microphone. Well done chaps.

[@mc.8391]

I read the Dee Brown book many years ago and I had to write to the author because I was so moved and appalled by what had happened at Wounded Knee....I have never forgotten it . . . and these 2 men have brought it back to life again.....well done......I am a Brit btw not an American or an Indian American.....

[@Elementarywatson648]

Couldn’t sit through three episodes of game of thrones but delighted in 10 hours on Custer and crazy horse. Well done limeys.

[@mattsstuff1268]

Very well done. I can't imagine that I would've sat through 11 hours on a topic in which I was already well versed, but that I did. Despite being well read on this topic, I managed to pick up new details, and you managed to keep it interesting. As an American, I can say I am impressed by your perspectives and that you have correctly picked up on the nuances in this inevitable clash of cultures that many miss.

[@WargamingHistory]

Epic guys, thanks again. I was lucky enough to study history in Australia with an American lecturer on US history at ANU. This series has kindled my interest in the Indian plains wars once again. Keep up great work Matt Mayenne, France

[@JohnathanBruner-t2d]

New subscriber from Texas. Great explanation of the "Last Stand." I have visited all the places Custer ever served. I'm originally from Michigan. My studies of Custer at the Horn do show that Custer was, as in your discussion, attempting to surround the woman and children to get the warriors to surrender. Custer had used that maneuver in previous scenarios. Look at the Battle off Washita in Oklahoma. Approximately 700 Indian horses were killed after the battle. Custer was a fascinating character. Where did Custer get all the money for expensive photographs taken of himself? I know he left debt. I think his own book, "My Life on Plains" offer great insights as does his wife Libby's book about the Plains.

[@mrmoospoos]

Superb series and a fitting tribute to the history and people of the lakota. Thank you! Really enjoyed it.

[@cyclofeedubox8332]

Nuanced, intelligent, interesting, ponderous, funny and heartbreaking in equal measure. Brilliant

[@johnnyallen5736]

Just outstanding . So good--I will be going back for the whole series.

[@killerswami]

I heard a story about a Navajo tour guide who was telling a gaggle of tourists in Navajo country a tale of a Navajo princess and a young warrior with some supernatural elements, blah blah. Afterward a tourist approached the guide and said he’d heard a remarkably similar tale from a Hawaiian guide while in Hawaii. The Navajo laughed and said he himself is a tour guide in Hawaii in the winter and the guides casually swap and retrofit such tales for the local they are working.

[@boyscott7193]

What an engagingly presented series. Thank you for getting below the surface of the popular myths of these times, characters and events

[@mv11000]

This was just fantastic. Don't thank us for watching, WE are the ones receiving the gift of your podcast :)

[@cynthiaedmonson8622]

Thank you for this series, it’s been very educational. I have learned more about my country’s history in regard to Native Americans than I have in my formal education. As with every country, I suppose, we are not taught about the dark underbelly of our history and what has been perpetrated in the name of Christianity. Thank you again!

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

Or in the name of "progressivism".

[@ToddSauve]

Those who call themselves Christian are not always the genuine article Cynthia

[@mirrage42]

Read Empire of the Summer Moon by S C Gwynne.

[@naomiseraphina9718]

Thank you for taking the time to do such a wonderfully deep dive into the stories of these largely forgotten events. I think they deserve to be remembered, and I thank you, as an American, for adding to my store of knowledge concerning the the history of my country. All the best to you both, Naomi.

[@susanharris8406]

This makes me weep

[@sartanawillpay7977]

The Hotchkiss guns used at Wounded Knee were not "machine guns." They were breech-loading mountain guns firing a small shell (1.65 inch). They were deemed "rapid fire" in comparison to earlier muzzle loading cannon or cannon with heavier shells, but the breech had to be manually opened and a shell inserted to be able to fire. They had both explosive and canister rounds. A five barrelled "Gatling " type revolving Hotchkiss existed but these were not at Wounded Knee despite some internet claims.

[@jeremiahchamberlin4499]

Thank you for the clarification, I was having trouble making sense of the Wikipedia article on the subject, especially since they give the inception of the ‘Hotchkiss machine gun’ as 1914 in the context of WWI.

[@sartanawillpay7977]

@@jeremiahchamberlin4499 There are many accounts in reputable sources that describe "machine guns" or even "Hotchkiss Machine guns." Even Encyclopedia Britannica's online article on Wounded Knee makes the claim. The Hotchkiss guns were certainly deadly during the massacre but their rate of fire is greatly exaggerated.

[@bobslug]

You are indeed correct. The particular type of Hotchkiss gun at Wounded Knee were not the machine gun type (or Gatling guns). They were small breech loading cannons.

[@jeremiahchamberlin4499]

@@sartanawillpay7977 At least we don’t have to go to the US Supreme Court for the definition of ‘machine gun.’

[@unappreciatedtreehouse821]

From America, very good show. Whenever I do my work I can listen. I look forward to my chores.

[@TheChuck181]

This was a great series gentlemen. Thank you!

[@marys33794]

I have watched and followed this fantastic and sad at the same time podcast series on the great plains and on before, during, and after the Battle of the Little Big Horn and the sad and hard years after that for the native American tribes whose numbers were vastly reduced and forced into the reservations when their way of life was gone or torn from them.

[@alleganja]

What a series.! Wow guys thank you.

[@ScottGchips]

A true banger of an episode.

[@kelleyfrench9663]

What an absolutely wonderful series. As an American, I am embarrassed to admit my lack of knowledge about this part of our history except in the most general terms. Every American knows the names Sitting Bull and Custer and Wounded Knee and Little Big Horn, and the general history of the Native Americans' relegation to the reservations. But the devil is truly in the details, and this was just a fabulous, informative and well-researched series. It amazes me that there aren't millions of subscribers to this channel. Thanks to you both for a great, great series. Look forward to the next topic. :)

[@jabonorte]

Tragic story, really well told. No need to worry about the length of these series - it could have gone on hours longer and I would have enjoyed it more

[@pashaofstuttgart]

Hats off gentlemen! Absolutely fantastic series. Like most of them that I’ve listened to thus far, I can’t stop listening and put put them down. Well done.

[@adamstrudwick-long9074]

Absolutely loved this, I’m sure my wife equally has greatly enjoyed listening to my numerous attempts to interest her in the subject. Never listened to this podcast before but looking forward to catching up on the back catalogue.

[@seriouslyyoujest1771]

Enjoyed this important take of American History. Im eagerly anticipating to watching all of your other collaborative works! This is certainly right up with there Paul Cooper’s The Fall of Civilization which I’ve watched every one multiple times. And Mike Duncan’s 36 episodes, the Fall of Civilization podcast. Thank you very much!

[@gemellodipriapo]

Great vid! Thank you! Buffalo Bill came to London and performed at the Earls Court exhibition centre ... several native Americans died whilst in London and were buried in Brompton cemetery ... In the 1990s Native Americans came from the US and exhumed the bodies to take them back home. There was a religious service at St Luke's Church in Redcliffe sq. Sadly one of the bodies could not be found. It's fascinating how close to us in time this is ... It's also fascinating how history repeats itself ... all this is happening now ...

[@grahamwritesagain]

Thank you for this brilliant conclusion, gentlemen. You've created something heartfelt, insightful, memorable--and fitting. I visited the site of the Wounded Knee Massacre in July 2009. It was one of the saddest, most depressing places I have ever been. The reservation itself was severely depressed economically, so there was a deep sense of despair and total poverty. But it went beyond that. There was a terrible pall overhanging the spot where the massacre itself took place as if the ghosts of the Lakotas and the troopers who died there still haunted the site.

[@JayShackleton-dv9tm]

Excellent series, full of new information to me

[@LittleLouieLagazza]

Thank you for this series.

[@j.st.jamesesq.9599]

We’re at episode 11 so nobody’s listening anyway. Nay, nay! I LOVE your discussions!

[@waltervanderkamp742]

Now I am taking time off work to listen to your podcast. I want to feel like there is something like truthfulness occasionally manifesting in the matrix of your conversation. Very important to know these stories. Thank you for bringing them to life.

[@Kyle-ls7gp]

Absolutely great podcast Ive read several books on this topic and some of the details you guys discuss here really bring these characters to life! Great job. As for Americans current view on Native American history, we have been given the guilt trip (correctly) for decades by Hollywood with films like Little Big Man, Dances With Wolves, Avatar, etc etc. Colombus day previously is called Indigenous Peoples Day and yes Thanksgiving always brings up the realities of how thankful those pilgrims acted several years after the first thanksgiving (celebrate with a decapitation anyone!?). American guilt is widespread in this issue

[@showze21]

heres a great book on the subject, "Sitting Bull: The Life and Times of an American Patriot." Distinguished historian Robert M. Utley has forged a compelling portrait of Sitting Bull, presenting the Lakota perspective for the first time and rendering the ...

[@avs4365]

Simply wonderful series, thank you so much.

[@Kathy-ub8ur]

Thanks for discussing the reaction of the press. I was curious about that, though the account was very depressing as usual. I am reading Blood Meridian now and it is brilliant. New sub.

[@personofinterest8731]

Loving your history. Thank you from South Africa 🇿🇦💜

[@dsjwhite]

Wonderful, thank you

[@jamiesonhusbandson5545]

More superb content. Thank you.

[@IanCross-xj2gj]

Gall 4:26 Appears to be a figure of some historical relevance. 25:40 Wounded Knee. Great podcast 👏

[@YellowHammer26]

Really enjoyed the series, thanks.

[@terencepeck3070]

many years ago i stood at this mass grave before there was a fence around it, a very sad event, i am still shocked today as i was then

[@george221999]

The juggernaut of first world wealth creation is still here

[@rtk3543]

The juggernaut of mass migration is still here.

[@southlander2023]

Son of the Morning Star was a great book. Loved the movie too.

[@ronlynch2282]

The 7th calvary were so proud of themselves they awarded themselves 20 Medal of Honors for their service at Wounded Knee massacre.

[@davidbliss9277]

One of my favorite books is Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. Did my Research paper on it as an Undergraduate. Professor said to keep going with it onto Grad School.

[@eshaibraheem4218]

I've watched all 6,000 episodes, and still want more. It's been wonderful. Terrible, too.

[@SuziQ499]

Tom is right most people would change their views and sympathies about the Lakota if they learned the same Lakota killed Pawnee women and children three years before LBH their are no good guys or bad guys just progress.

[@jonnyheenan]

A squabbling squalid and immensely unsatisfying ending of what was a great, great story that befits the reality of the whole affair.

[@Osentalka]

Great, thanks guys.

[@Rosary-Crusader]

Can you please do Geronimo and the Apache on your channel?

[@jnauttube]

In the movie, "Hostiles", the Comanche are not portrayed in a positive way, and the other tribe that's being escorted by the cavalry soldiers refers to the Comanche as being of "unsound mind".

[@Sumonebody]

The final final final part!

[@ThomasTill-l7j]

Buffe Saint Marie was actually an adopted member of a tribe.

[@sawahtb]

I've always wondered if the Native Americans should get some hot shot lawyers to get them restitution.

[@50Quid-d3x]

That's not how the world works! Sadly...

[@paul_hiles]

Thank you chaps! Your stalwartness to finish this series echos that of the last tribes in the subject. 😂

[@gentlebreeze6414]

I 'm struck by the toll telling this history has on the tellers. The horror of it all has Dominic ready to boil over.

[@eminentbishop1325]

The way the Lokata are commodified by the Americans reminds me of the way the Roman's would treat Sparta.

[@d.c.8828]

@53:17 This is a really striking interpretation.

[@susanthoms6268]

I hate our history of treatment of Sitting Bull...tragic and shameful.

[@petebondurant58]

@susanthoms6268 The natives meted out similar treatment to other natives. They weren’t any more or less noble than anyone else in history.

[@halfaquarter2308]

Humour is the difference between this show and the rest. Huge fan here; 350 lbs last time I checked.

[@johnrohe1547]

Teddy Roosevelt might give people a good idea of how the next generation were looking for glory through battle.

[@launiesoult3248]

I don't know if you mentioned it but there were 20 medals of Honor awarded to the people at the wounded knee massacre that is terrible

[@LukaTripkovic]

This series made me so depressed. The land of the free.

[@richardcutt727]

Ghost dancers in the sky - eye 🎶 🎵

[@Wee_Langside]

The Type 92 Japanese heavy machine gun was developed from the Hotchkiss machine gun series. It entered service in 1932 and was the standard Japanese heavy machine gun used during World War II.

[@sartanawillpay7977]

The Hotchkiss guns used at Wounded Knee were not "machine guns" they were a small single-shot breech-loading cannon. the M1875 Mountain Gun.

[@richardcutt727]

Lt Wallace was with Lt Charles Varnum at Wounded Knee. Wallace was killed. Varnum saved his friend Wallace's life at the LBH. Wallace was the topographical officer with the Custer Battalion. Varnon asked Custer to allow Wallace to accompany him into the valley fight, and not to stay with the 'coffee coolers'. Custer laughed and said to Wallace, OK go.

[@docastrov9013]

Bury my boredom at Wounded Knee.

[@MichaelDembinski]

Amazing to think that less time separated the Wounded Knee Massacre from Pearl Harbor than today from the Three Day Week.

[@d.c.8828]

Three-Day Week?

[@jackkelsey9326]

Coal miners strikes in Britain during the early 1970s caused energy shortages that induced a shortened working week.😢 ,w@@d.c.8828

[@churchmanautohaus5602]

First, I love this podcast, it has quickly become my favorite, but cowboys never found Indians? Have you never heard of the Comanche and the Texas cowboys?

[@jaycarl4486]

Absolutely brilliant ending to a great series on the natives of the Great Plains, well done gentleman! 🏆 Point of information: The Hotchkiss Mountain Gun was not a machine gun or Gatling gun. It was a 42 mm rifled canon which shot a 2-pound projectile, which in some ways is even more horrifying, as it was designed to replace the 1841 Mountain Howitzer (a 12-pounder). Imagine being hit by a 1.65 inch, 2-pound projectile, not a pretty image. I've attached a link to a short video clip. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4OrhK1-oNOkg6c

[@richardcutt727]

Varnum being chief of scouts at the LBH.

[@jayb276]

The Dancing Horse. Write a Screenplay!

[@showze21]

after little big horn, sitting bulls faction traveled into canada, where they mostly starved to death during the first brutal winter. sitting bull was depressed after this disaster, he was forced to return to the reservation, right?

[@richardcutt727]

Indeed. Another My Lai.

[@Manofthewhiteknife]

What happened to the 7th in Vietnam was just as bad as the little bighorn...

[@brucepeek3923]

Hey sartanwillplay guy- you are absolutely right about non peer reviewed poorly educated historians like these guys. They always make major factual errors, most often about key facts. In this case its got to do with calling hotchkiss single shot break action cannon being called machine guns.. This is really just a fairly inaccurate conversation between people who vary in their truth they tell. best Bruce Peek

[@jenjen.rutherford8559]

Which key facts have been misrepresented please educate us ?

[@sartanawillpay7977]

I pointed out the error, I never said anything about their capabilities as historians.

[@robinhard111]

All so desperately sad, hard to listen to at times.

[@showze21]

sitting bull is murdered by a reservation tribal faction before wounded knee

[@justme8837]

I live in AZ and I know some Navajo / Dine' and they also run a lot of casinos in AZ and are getting their payback with all the gamblers, : )

[@showze21]

The oldest trend in human history is tribal hunter gather groups being assimilated into agrarian societies. Why? Because agrarian societies can support a much larger population than a hunter gather society.

[@keithkaosHarv]

I like these two but I nodded off after part 4.

[@Kyle-ls7gp]

On the guilt issue, I dont think the Native guilt is as big as the slavery guilt mostly due to the black Americans much greater influence on American society post slavery (music, sports, politics etc). Also there is the out of sight out of mind issue, Native Americans mostly have stayed in their reservations and if they have come out have been able to mix in easier than Black Americans who did not have reservations and often moved in big block migrations first from the south into urban areas for industrial jobs ie Chicago, Oakland and then back into South in places like Atlanta, these migrations were large and fast and therefore whipped up anti-black sentiment quickly in mostly white areas. These large migrations did not happen with Natives.

[@CinRife]

My fam was in this massacre

[@davepannekoek1562]

Final Part??? Really? Hmmmm

[@robertalpy]

So natives loyal to the United States are shameful? The crow, Oneida which is Issac Parkers triple and about 1 3rd of all native tribes along with any tribe that the souix abused on the great plains will be happy to hear that. You have a very progressive view on the past. It doesn't really align with that time and wouldn't work for either side of that conflict.

[@R08Tam]

This series has been fascinating but also tragic. A tale of genocide. Quite why some of them embraced Christianity, the religion of their oppressors, is beyond me.

[@SleepyScooter]

Because you don't get the separation of man's actions and God's. The pilgrims told the Indians about God and salvation. The sinfulness of man's hearts caused the war between land and property.

[@b1laxson]

Aggressive and abusive treatment of the next generation of children in the Residential Schools. The new kids were treated with "save the soul, kill the Indian" including physical punishments for speaking their own language. It wasn't that the Christian-Catholic god was nicer... more like the priests continued the brutality. Growing up the children were denied access to their culture while being fed the colonizer's ideology. Something that is being undone in places like Canada's "Truth and Reconciliation" efforts.

[@beachcomber1able]

Go back to sleep, Scooter.

[@gentlebreeze6414]

It is only 'beyond' you because you are unable to consider the question beyond the assertion of your own prejudices. Christianity is a universal faith; it does not 'belong' to anyone.

[@beachcomber1able]

Might be universal but it's not the only religion. What does that suggest to you!

[@christopherhall1336]

I would love a western film to be made about the massacre of native Indians and the cavalry and the white man to be portrayed as the villains. I’m not sure if it would be received well in Hollywood and in the cinemas. However, I think it’s time the story was told. I must admit I’ve watched westerns when I’ve been left with a lot of sympathy for the Indians. They’ve portrayed overly keen commanders or corrupt reservation agents as the villain. Included in the story was a central Indian character, who had to take his people to the reservations or be massacred after standing ground on the plains. Americans are so proud of their constitution- Everyman is equal etc however, we know when to this day, it’s not true. I think more people should hear the story and stop seeing the natives of any country, as the savages.

[@jcr_jcr]

No film company, director, producer or any amount of money in the world would do an adequate film of the persecution of native American Indians.

[@GusShredny]

They got treated better than many of the smaller tribes that they wiped out.

[@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf]

In your revision fellas could you do some on the countless native atrocities mainly done on other tribes. Can i suggest Empire of the Summer Moon by S C Gwynne for one great read. The Comanches are soft and cuddly in that one and show how warfare and torture was endemic in the good ole days.

[@michaelkennedy3372]

Oh dear...you obviously didnt watch the earlier episodes. 🙄

[@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf]

@@michaelkennedy3372 Yeah mate i did some. Still make out the indians as nature loving hippies and that just wasn`t the story

[@jenjen.rutherford8559]

I think we must have watched different podcasts because it has been very clear that Lakota were in no way peace loving or even liking .

[@richanglin7994]

I have enjoyed very much listening to your series. No serious disagreements with much of what you presented, other than alluding to Custer's "presidential aspirations" (no real historic basis for this assertion). What happened to those nomadic people groups who came to North America before the arrival of the Europeans is certainly lamentable, but no more so than the victims of other clashes of civilizations and cultures (e.g., Genghis Khan, Muhammed, Alexander). There was never going to be a good outcome for all parties to the conflict. So too, while the deaths of Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull as relatively harmless prisoners might be considered tragic, no more so than the death blows that they, and others, inflicted upon those who were not/no longer capable of harming them. Violence does beget violence, and they were violent men. The human race is truly a violent race.

[@WindInTheTreesWoman]

Whoa…lots of slurs being thrown around in this specific episode. Please please please do proper research into what words are considered extremely offensive. There’s a reason why the team changed their name and why many place names are no longer using that s word. Kind of a disappointing end to an otherwise good series.

[@humblescribe8522]

If you're talking about 'Indian', they deal with that earlier in the series.

[@michaelkennedy3372]

Are you from the Wah Wah tribe ?

[@waynedoucette1492]

I feel you are using woke to much...History is History.

[@nicknicely6315]

For me, before the Europeans there was a warlord system running in N America. This is always bad . It means endless suffering, continuous war, slavery, torture and genocide. Was this the ideal state of affairs in terms of minimising human suffering ? I think not. The amount of bloodshed on the continent say, in 1820 was an ocean compared to say, 1910, after the Indian hegemony. Wherever you look in history warlord systems always mean death and horror for the population .