Custer vs. Crazy Horse | Part 1 | Civil War

[@andrewmaille8659]

These multi-part character studies, are exactly where Tom and Dominic shine. Such a delight.

[@marys33794]

I agree, Andrew. 💯

[@largesatsuma]

I'm loving these podcasts. You guys talk about history with such knowledge but also such wonderful humour.

[@LS-xs7sg]

Das right slim but The thing about the old days is... they are the old days

[@phillipstroll7385]

Except, Custer killed himself.

[@George_L-w7o]

I stumbled upon these guys. Absolutely thrilled that I did. They are wonderful. They held me spellbound and captivated. Bravo. Extremely well done

[@duncannapier318]

Great new topic choice. I have to say again those four Lord Byron episodes were super 👍🇿🇦

[@sallywebb7209]

I adore you guys. I really have a fascination with the wild west. My heart breaks for the Indians. I haven't seen your other history stories but very much looking forward to it. Sally from Zimbabwe teaching in Thailand

[@s.williamc.]

And so, Sally can wait She knows it's too late as we're walking on by Her soul slides away But don't look back in anger, I heard you say

[@wigend1626]

Beginning with a quote from Sir Harry Paget Flasman, VC. That was an instant subscribe.

[@MatthewIncognito-le1hd]

Best duo in history. These two are in top form

[@SeanRCope]

Been fascinated with Custer for four decades now. I even served with the 7th Cavalry on the DMZ in Korea.

[@brycesuderow3576]

Let me recommend Custer victorious by Gregory Urwin . It’s the best book on Custer in the Civil War.

[@brycesuderow3576]

Can you tell me how I can get a message to these two broadcasters - the rest is history?

[@bobspinelli2847]

When 3rd Infantry Division reflagged at Ft Stewart, our divisional Cav Squadron went from 3/4 Sabres Ready to 1/7 Gary Owen-- the mighty 7th Cavalry! I still have my beer stein from Schweinfurt Conn Barracks. I was our cav squadron's judge advocate.

[@ashfieldmullingar2898]

Really love the podcasts . Each one is very interesting. The hosts are excellent and have great banter . Tom's impressions are brilliant

[@suedaniels4722]

So entertaining, thankyou both. How fortunate we are to have all the photos of the Civil War, almost all deeply shocking illustrations of what war truly is but also examples of the US Army uniforms, Custer's being unique. Great episode.

[@alexjager4517]

I have always been spellbound by civil war era photos of the small towns. The pre automobile world.

[@ChemCram]

I am fascinated with the 7th and the civil war./Indian war period. Thanks for these vids! I actually have an ancestor who was a Lt. Col in the cavalry and served with Custer and Sheridan in the civil war and Indian wars, even being on the Bighorn expedition. I have one of his civil war sabers and documents talking about Custer, etc.

[@nanavango9374]

I’ve enjoyed your podcasts on Spotify, but it’s so nice to see your faces and your interactions with each other. Bravo!

[@flashman8835]

Yes, I remember writing that account! Thank you. But only 5 troops out of 12 were wiped out with Custer, the other 7 troops survived but took casualties.

[@chellybub]

This is excellent, I usually get pretty bored with civil war era history, but this has been compelling!

[@joblixrud759]

I absolutely love 💕 you guys. Your final episode showed up on my KZbin. After watching it I am now starting over with this episode.

[@drstrangelove4998]

I would add to your excellent introduction, that it is also a story of betrayal, cowardice and pathological jealousy Custer’s two subordinate officers.

[@markmordecai7051]

Correct. If Custer had not sent his troops towards the river and drew the warriors to him, Reno's battalion would probably have been overwhelmed before Benteen's battalion arrived.

[@stevenchurch1163]

@@markmordecai7051 everybody had been busted from much higher brevet ranks plus Custer had an insider outsider dynamic and Reno at least was alcoholic (IMHO) and behaving as such...

[@Conn30Mtenor]

I've visited the battlefield. Do so, if you can because it's a remarkable place with a remarkable story to tell. Go in June, when the battle happened because it is a beautiful country and easy to understand why the Lakota and Cheyenne fought so hard to keep it.

[@dogeared100]

Why can't you comment anymore?

[@danielcrotty3598]

It was during the Civil War that Custer developed his taste for Trophies. As Colonel Charles R Lowell told Custer he’d rather go after artillery than battle flags because artillery kills! After Cedar Creek Custer’s command was obsessed with gathering trophies. Your account of him chasing a confederate officer is spot on(getting a scalp is more important than commanding his soldiers). It’s this trophymania that killed the Red Baron and so many others in battle.

[@eshaibraheem4218]

These epidodes, with their forked beards and forked tongues, have had me enthralled for every minute. Thank you both very much, and Theo, too, of course.

[@richanglin7994]

An incredibly good listen. Looking forward to the next segment!

[@crobertbrooke5321]

The two of you are just brilliant so enjoyable. Thx

[@biggusgibbus8144]

I was hoping you would bring up Flashman and the Redskins. It was one of my favorite of the series. Yes, I have them all.

[@remy1234ish]

Custer was a typical cavalryman. I remember reading the account of a major in the British cavalry at the beginning of WWI. He was in one of the prestigious regiments and he said they would just as soon have fought the French as the Germans. He said," our motto was: we'll do it; what is it?"

[@belaboured]

Discussion of Custer's military virtues reminds me of other similar controversies, e.g., Omar Bradley vs. George Patton, or even the battlefield brilliance or lack of it of Edward IV. Edward always did the same thing, essentially: outmarch his opponents to force battle on them when they didn't feel ready, then lead from the front on foot, relying on his brother Richard and others to take care of the flanks. But that will to force battle is an absolutely key to winning. Trying to be clever isn't. Grant understood this. If he couldn't convince his subordinates of the plausibility of more complex moves, he would abandon them and stick to the frontal assault. People have to be all-in to win, so keeping the plan simple is usually best.

[@ryanlee8712]

I love these podcasts so much.

[@fergalohearga9594]

I look forward to this series ... I'm a very objective, knowledgeable student of Custer and the Battle of the Little Bighorn so I'll watch and listen with much interest.

[@fergalohearga9594]

This episode ... excellent and balanced.

[@johnnydavis5896]

I love these guys tack on history - they understand history has narrative and its driven by personalities.

[@Xonid1]

I like to see a story about Teddy Roosevelt and Cuba.

[@RD-hh3ni]

Definitely earned a subscriber! Such a good In depth video!

[@tomtaylor6163]

This is excellent I love this stuff

[@TommyRoy-e8t]

Possibility of doing one on Billy the kid. Thanks, you guys are awesome and funny😅.

[@haraldisdead]

"The story is painted in primary colors." Brilliant.

[@restishistorypod]

Thank you !

[@MALONMcVEY]

Thank you for highlighting Ely Parker. He composed and wrote the Treaty at Appomattox Courthouse even with all the West Pointers attending. As a child, Parker was in Canada where British soldiers ridiculed his reservation accent. Parker determined, as a child, to master the language. The Treaty at Appomattox Courthouse is his dissertation. Parker made his supposed remark to Lee about being American when Parker couldn't be a US citizen. He initially wanted to study medicine but was refused because he wasn't human.

[@AmidstTheLight85]

A couple of English chaps giving us Americans a better history lesson than we ever got in school!

[@lollys9041]

Love that you are now on You Tube, will all the latest podcasts be coming onto here? 🙏❤️😻

[@robertferguson533]

30 seconds in and I’ve already subscribed

[@eliseleonard3477]

This is amazing picture of Custer, as if he’s the dashing hero in his own comic book and he believes it so totally that the universe mostly complies. It makes sense that he would be able to infect his men with the same romantic feeling, while his superiors and colleagues would be jealous, disapproving, or both.

[@Liz-lr1ch]

You are not at home Tom, where are you? Trying to read the book titles for a clue, but most are upside down!

[@katharinearmstrong5124]

The Texas Revolution needs a deep dive. You two are perfect.

[@swampygirl3748]

would love to hear your take on sir Richard Francis Burton gents. love your work.

[@fuferito]

Bit of trivia. A handful of survivors from that encounter were Italian; either enlisted in the American army or observers from the newly unified Italian Royal army.

[@eshaibraheem4218]

Interesting. Did any of them write about it?

[@stevendurrant1724]

Christ on a bike, this is good.

[@bookaufman9643]

I believe that tradition of congressman being able to nominate somebody to West point still exists. I haven't thought about it or heard about it in a long time but I definitely remember hearing about it when I was in the army Junior ROTC. That's reserve officer training in high school. Actually I just looked it up and every congressman can nominate no more than five people to West Point.

[@csmtcqueen]

This is excellent.

[@darlebalfoort8705]

It is considered possible that Ely Parker's comment was added by Parker's nephew Arthur C. Parker, his first biographer.

[@showze21]

Ironically, The majority of the indigenous warriors involved in the battle had spent the previous winter on the reservation being fed by the us government. It’s the reason that they were able to gather such a large force

[@irockuroll60]

Most Americans didn’t want to free the slaves-both in the north and the south. As a southern from Ga, a lot of people in the south were worried about the economy in the event slaves were freed. I am not trying to whitewash history but if you read about cotton and the total GDP that it account for in the south-they were worried that the economy would collapse. Yes, there were some straight up racist that believed in white supremacy but it wasn’t across the board. Lincoln’s initial emancipation did not free the slaves in the northern states. Even Lincoln didn’t want to free them in his own states-freeing them in the south was a pointless act at the time. Furthermore, Virginia had 3 separate votes in secession-the 1st two votes virgina voted to stay in the union. Only after Lincoln called up 75,000 volunteers did Virginia vote to leave the union.

[@tonykehoe123]

Yeh-haw !

[@realBrianCars]

Im just here for the American accents that Tom tries to pull off.

[@jackjackson8908]

First like! Just in time to watch during tea

[@seanmagee2565]

Would you two consider looking at a story a bit closer to home.. The meeting , in battle , in Ireland of the Levellers.. & the Final Clan battles of Ireland

[@bobsyoruncle4583]

Tom contended that the qualities that made Custer a success in war eventually - and one might argue inevitably - led to disaster and death. Those same qualities of fearlessness, a desire to come to grips with the enemy, and perhaps most consequentially - an unshakable confidence in success and his own judgement, were also shared by the more stoic General Lee, who at Gettysburg would not heed the counsel of General Longstreet and doomed forever the hopes of the Confederacy in a single desperate charge at the Union center.

[@regbatger7852]

Love the errol Flynn movie. Flynn and Custer were the same personality

[@j0nnyism]

Funny Dominic should mention Mallory as he and Homer were typical reading at West Point in those days

[@podoherty2]

As always, I enjoyed this tremendously. But Custer, while dashing, was a failure as a Cavalry commander (and a bit of a fool, to be honest). Perhaps Dominic and Tom might like to look at the career of General Philip Sheridan, also a Calvary commander with the Union Army during the American Civil War. Shelby Foote in his great narrative history of that war said of him he was one of only two geniuses to emerge during that war from either side. The other was Abraham Lincoln. And, in case you think Foote was being biased, he was a Southerner who clearly could not stop his admiration of the Confederate army showing through, try as he might.

[@fuferito]

Foote's other notable genius of the American Civil War, besides Lincoln, was Nathan Bedford Forrest, not Philip Sheridan.

[@podoherty2]

@@fuferito 🤔You could be right. I'll double check.

[@fuferito]

@@podoherty2, There's that anecdote by Foote where he telephones Forrest's granddaughter, and got invited to her home, and got to swing the cavalry commander's sword which, he said, was "a great treat."

[@podoherty2]

Fab

[@podoherty2]

I sit (bad knees) corrected. Nathan Bedford Forrest was the other genius identified by Shelby Foote. Apropos of nothing other than a cute thing to know, Daniel Craig, apparently, based his accent in Knives Out on Foote.

[@keithscott1255]

Parallels between Reno & benteen at LBH and Chard & Bromhead at Rorke's drift?

[@gaillouise8310]

Methodists were not evangelical Christians, some of the groups that splintered off from them were very much so but not the original groups. Do a show on John Wesley and learn more. Wesley was never trying to start a religion, he was trying to teach how to live like the man Jesus.

[@KIISU-]

Any reason why the videos come much later than the podcasts? I’d rather watch the video but the podcast series is already an episode ahead

[@kennethaustin9930]

Custer rules even in death

[@redjacc7581]

well his plan had work previously in capturing the woman and children but sometimes things just dont go the way you think.

[@musative]

I have only listened to the audio version of your podcast and seen pictures of you both, and in my head I had attributed the wrong voices to each of you. Suffice to say this was a very uncanny watch! I think I might go back to imagining swapped-around voices as I originally was 😂

[@brycesuderow3576]

The best thing, the two of you guys can do is pick up and read a book called decision at toms Brook. This was the cavalry battle between two of the most aggressive cavalryman in the Civil War, Thomas Rosser, and George Custer. They had been friends at West Point and afterwords they Resumed their friendship. At toms, Brook, Custer and his men were on the top of one mountain. Rosser and his men or on top of another mountain. They could see each other. And Custer, while on horseback bowed deeply to his friend. Compare three kinds of weapons in warfare. You got the horse. You’ve got the tank, and you’ve got to find your point. If you think about it, they’re very similar aggressive weapons that are designed only to attack. And each of these weapons is similar. in terms of what they require in a man. You have to have a split second reflections, you have to make split-second decisions, and you have to be incredibly aggressive.

[@brycesuderow3576]

The third weapon was a fighter plane

[@invisibleray6987]

I like the Custer film

[@williambranch4283]

Cavalrymen are famously eccentric and impulsive.

[@fastpublish]

If you're gonna tell me that Errol Flynn's They Died With Their Boots On is not the absolute truth, I will never watch The Rest Is History Again

[@humblescribe8522]

"Butler! Queen's own Butler!"

[@highdesert-boy]

😂😂😂

[@dalerobinson8051]

When you watch that movie you not only learn nothing, you know less about the subject when you're done!

[@cillianbrien1470]

Thumbnail is very unfair to Tom

[@jimb9063]

It might be referring to his bowling action.

[@robertroeder9539]

Trevelian Station not street.

[@bookaufman9643]

The one figure we seem to have here in the US that you don't really have as much in Britain is the character of the western scout. The famous guides and frontiersmen of the West and somehow I think in the United States we put Custer into that category though he was a military leader and far from a scout. I'm sure his group paid scouts be they Indian or frontiersman. I guess in a way they are explorers and the British have many many famous explorers but there's something else attached to it here in this country. There is now a narrative that they are Intruders and sometimes they are kind of a litmus test to see where your politics stand nowadays here in America.

[@tedtimmis8135]

The wars between Indians and settlers is far more complicated than the current fashions dictate. People forget that native Americans were often warlike, aggressive and cruel. Tens of thousands of settlers were murdered by Indians and were often the precedents of ensuing atrocities by settlers.

[@redsword1659]

Astonishingly self righteous garbage. Dont argue, im Australian

[@GUSCRAWF0RD]

🤬 I caught up and I’m gonna have to wait for the next episode or pay-treon… they hooked me on free crack

[@Kyle-ls7gp]

Custer did have successes most notably the “Wolverine” charge but he was far and away less successful than Jeb Stuart no matter what happened at Gettysburg.

[@justme8837]

things can always go wrong in war and life... successful people tend to take risks that the average person doesn't. he may not have achieved what he did had he played it safe.

[@63pufferfish]

There used to be a sign that said “stay in NORTH DAKOTA Custer was healthy when he Left”

[@timwright4676]

You can see him leading a charge at Marston Moor, but for which side would Custer have fought in the English Civil War?

[@griffhenshaw5631]

Liked juxtaposition of custer vs grant

[@ShitterMcGavin]

You guys are so brilliant! I love listening to you both talk on anything. Im very excited about starting this series. Cheers to you both gentlemen.

[@joelmayer4055]

Great stuff. I have a Libbey Custer story. Custer's last command post was Fort Abraham Lincoln on the opposite bank of the Missouri River from Bismarck, ND. He and his wife, Libbey, had a large house on the post and she saw him off when he left for the last time. About 30-40 years ago the ND Historical Society rebuilt the house and tours are available. There are stories that Libbey haunts the house. Her ghost is mischievous and is a poltergeist. She moves things around to "play" with the staff there. Obviously this is denied by the officials there. But multiple people who have worked there still insist its true.

[@scottmcginn2169]

Custer faced the same issue so many of us have faced after a big night out... he wanted a Chinese and he was surrounded by Indians

[@willyb92]

As a person who’s typically a European history buff, How did it take 2 Brits to get me to care about the history of my own country? 😂

[@Truffle_Pup]

52:33 Someone... Anyone... Clip this 🤣

[@jobojoe1]

Dominic potentially lives in a Waterstones??

[@brucepeek3923]

Well first of all Custers 7th Cavalry wasn't wiped out at Little Bighorn.. 260 some Cavalrymen were killed at little bighorn but also Benteens command, and Renos troops, along with their supply train contained some 450 men who lived through the battle.. The Sioux won because they fought tactically with firearms that had purchased from trading posts and the Metis' canadian buffalo hide hunters who functioned as middle men to the Indians. best Bruce Peek

[@remycallie]

Custer was NOT a "brigadier general" in the civil war. He was a *brevet* general. Big difference.

[@jamesdean1143]

After his performance at Gettysburg, Custer was awarded a Regular Army brevet promotion to major, even though he was a Brigadier General.

[@stevenchurch1163]

Custer had the enormous advantage of leaving a young attractive widow who spent the next half century creating and polishing his image...

[@russellrider4565]

Which she was in part forced to do so as to pay off the substantial debt he left her.

[@stevenchurch1163]

@@russellrider4565 didn't know that but not surprised ...

[@griffhenshaw5631]

Revisionist history has deamonized custer. There was respect as warriors of both. Custer was a warrior. The i dians culture was one of warriors and nomadic hunters . Could 40 acres and a mule coexist w the tribes lifestyle? The tribes contrary to present day popular perception didnt all get along and live together in peace and cooperation. Quite to the contrary. The tribes fought for territory which equated to rerritory to hunt buffalo. Other tribes were treated as a threat to territory. Long before the white man tribes battles for territory. The horse changed tbeir ability to follow the herds which then brought them into contact w other fribes territory. As they called it hunting grounds. Tne world at that time especially because of the civil war. Bravery courage etc were traits that were admired. Ironically some of the same traits as the indians. Traits that are great during war but somewhat incomatible w times of peace. Like patton much later lived for war and in peace his arrributes were disruptive. His luck might have been the deciding factor of his annilation at the little bighorn. Overconfidence relying on the luck one more time.

[@j0nnyism]

Toms argument could easily be applied to ceasar or Alexander or napoleon they all took hugely risky choices that would appear reckless to most

[@eddiel7635]

Nelson was a big risk taker and always got away with it, his death aside.

[@geoffreydron1496]

An interesting comparison would be Little Big Horn and Isandlwana. Eurpopean/American arrogance vis a vis 'savages', incl., splitting command, last stand of Sioux/Zulus.

[@zeroconnection]

No Habsburg video?

[@citizen916]

Feel free to write it yourself.

[@zeroconnection]

@@citizen916 Just disappointed that they didn't put Habsburg episode with Eduard Habsburg-Lothringen (episode 445) on KZbin. There was nothing malign about what I wrote and plan watching future episodes.

[@Xonid1]

Custers luck got a lot of men killed.

[@unbabunga229]

Anytime someone mentions native Indians, I always think of The Simpsons with Crazy Talk 😅😅😅😅😅

[@verenamaharajah6082]

Today we would have no hesitation in diagnosing George Custer as a narcissist. All the signs are there. He pretended to be a nice, fun person but he wasn’t. I think he chose Elizabeth to be his wife because she was a good, quiet decent person that he could manipulate and control, as narcissists do. They spent most of their marriage apart so she never got to find out what it would have been like to live with him every day. Of course he was a hero in her eyes, she never got the chance to see him as he really was.

[@hatchyhatchy4827]

Didnt the colonel forget the gattling guns??

[@franzsteinbauer231]

Not Lakota, Crazy Horse led mostly Cheyenne warriors destroying 7th calalry.

[@kentgrady9226]

Right off, first sentence - it wasn't only the Lakota. There were also Cheyenne, Arapahoe, and multiple bands of Sioux (Oglala, Hunkpapa, and Brulé, amongst others, I believe). On the other side, there were Pawnee and Arikara in US service as scouts. When one meets an Indian (only politically correct academics riddled with white liberal guilt say "Native American"), the respectful question to ask RE heritage is, "What is your nation?". Many Indians today hold full blooded indigenous ancestry, but have ancestors of multiple nations. They might have a Blackfoot father and Nez Percé mother, with a Cheyenne grandparent or great grandparent, or a French fur trapper somewhere in their distant ancestral past. However, despite a heritage which may be a patchwork quilt of identities, they generally recognize one as their main influence. In other words, they are like everyone else.

[@TalKScribe]

I don't think "capitalism" means what you think it means. People were selling goods and services in a free market for profit long before 1876.

[@tristanhodgson6676]

People have been doing that since the stone age. I don't think capitalism means what you think it does

[@TalKScribe]

​@@tristanhodgson6676 Yup exactly

[@jonfallis305]

milk is also used to make potcheen drinkable

[@LeeHoFooks]

He was a dude that had an ego.

[@radrabbit6946]

So good! But, clarification- down with the bloodlust and trophy collecting, but handwashing (imagine if the surgeons had been that obsessed? 😂) and tooth brushing is a red flag for questionable masculinity…lmao

[@jksandman000]

A last hawrrawr

[@sherlockgnomes8971]

His name will always make me think about the delicious pouring sauce I cover my apple pie with.