Custer vs. Crazy Horse | Part 2 | The Winning of the West

🚨 PART THREE: • Custer vs. Crazy Horse... 🚨
PART ONE: • Custer vs. Crazy Horse...
With the American Civil War coming to a close in April 1865, George Custer, cavalry commander in the Union army, and a man of dubious political leanings for a unionist officer, was sent to Texas. Reckless, daring and bloodthirsty, the conclusion of the war came as a disappointment to him. Then, having allied himself with the new, anti-Reconstruction American president, Andrew Johnson, Custer alienated himself from one of the most important men in the country: Ulysses S. Grant. As such he found himself exiled to the murderous but dull post of Kansas. There, he and the 7th Cavalry were charged with handling the looming conflict with the Cheyenne; an indigenous people of the Great Plains, whose lives and culture had been radically jeopardised by modernisation, and the encroachment of the railroads into their lands. While some Cheyenne were inclined to negotiate with Washington, their more zealous warriors, the ‘Dog Soldiers’, were determined to fight and destroy the settlers, sending bloodthirsty raids into federal forts. The campaigns that followed saw acts of terrific violence, culminating in a terrible, brutal massacre…
Join Tom and Dominic as they discuss Custer’s first forays into the gruesome and tragic American Indian Wars: his political missteps, southern adventures, romantic rollercoasters, and battles with the remarkable horse-riding, buffalo hunting Cheyenne.
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[@jacobtracy7847]

With apologies to all our listeners in Kansas! Thanks Tom!

[@infozencentre]

We have to remember that Kansas was 'the West' at the time effectively. You didn't have to go far by today's standards to find yourself 'on the frontier'

[@barnesmultimedia2725]

Thank you guys for the true story. Humiliating.

[@getoffenit7827]

Ive stumbled upon your channel and im ecstatic! Some humor in a discussion of 'Custer' FINALLY! Ive studied mostly Custer at Washita and Little Bighorn...ive at times stayed away from the boring nuts&bolts of Who his troopers were,Books and documentaries dont cover that..and if by chance they do,Its always mind numbingly boring,dry and i would rather sip turpentine and cover my eyes. But with you two men? Im riveted! I cant look away from the mischievious grins and i gleefully await another description of some bizzare character in the Custer story.

[@mastermason552]

I live in Montana, and it's really fun to listen to this story told from a British perspective. I'm a fan of the rest is history anyways. Top historians Tom and Dom

[@lesliejohnson4339]

Another Montanan here, and I totally agree. Very cool insights into something that's rather mythological here.

[@any1younger]

Daughter currently touring the states and can’t believe how the Americans think ALL Brits love Trump - so misinformation cuts both ways I guess…………

[@bengray4149]

Gripping stuff! Holland's camp take on the already camp Custer versus Sandbrook's blood & guts portrayal makes for a white-knuckle, blood-spattered gallop through this fascinating period in world history. Nice work from the lads at TRIH.

[@johnnydavis5896]

And Custer knew the Titanic would sink - he might still go for the thrill!

[@tomtaylor6163]

These podcasts are so good

[@newyardleysinclair9960]

Man I love how you guys really humanize your subjects. No matter if they are good, evil or in between. I've read Stiles book on Custer (it's why I clicked on the 1st video) The way you guys paint pictures is fantastic. I would think you've met Custer

[@toooldfortwowheels2048]

The algorithm is strong on this one, I acrolled down and there's an interview with as certain Mr Botham! Great piece as per usual, I'm a big fan of Nathaniel Phillbrick myself and good on to see him quoted in your work.

[@GusMac-kv7zi]

Oh the algorithm, I do wonder why? Perhaps some phrase often used these day repeated several times throughout this historical account.

[@nigeh5326]

Love the chemistry between Tom and Dominic always adds to the podcast. Same as the ‘we have ways’ podcast presented by James Holland and Al Murray (aka the pub landlord). Keep them coming gentlemen 👍

[@frankboer7130]

Shermans father was a great admirer of Tecumseh,as were alot of the people who fought against him.

[@JpPJ-p8e]

Hello from New Zealand. I'm into genealogy. Thirty years ago, while searching microfilms at the Family History Library, a woman arrived and declared in a loud voice "she was descended from General Custer"... and wait for it ... "Al Capone". I kept my head down & stifled a guffaw ... but It was a struggle to keep my concentration after that.

[@Mute_Nostril_Agony]

Nice to see two Brits bumble head on through the sensitivities of native issues that would tie Americans in knots

[@kmdn1]

Super refreshing! Americans would be way too scared to have an honest discussion because its so popular to only and always paint white american settlers as evil. Eye roll

[@ToddSauve]

Only some. But if you want to see ridiculous come to Canada. 🙄

[@victoriamacgregor9280]

I know!

[@tedtimmis8135]

I would not use the term “bumble”.

[@robbinsteel]

They make up for it by referring everyone from 5000 BC forward a white supremest

[@nathaniel4334]

Love the banter

[@maudey53]

I don't think you have to "side" with one culture over another. The world was as it was at that time. Indians warred with each other from the beginning of time. Tribes wiped out tribe after tribe. Unfortunately, there will always be losers until humans can agree to share and be kind with one another. I love history and thoroughly enjoy your videos! Keep them coming.

[@dankeogh5796]

I agree, there's no specific side to take as I think the truth is somewhere in between, though my heart and empathy is strong for Native Americans.

[@tomtaylor6163]

Wow , I’ve been to Sand Creek Massacre Site. It’s way out in middle of nowhere. I was the only person there at the time. I only stayed a few minutes the place mad me feel so sad. Never gonna go back the place is a bummer

[@phillipstroll7385]

If they wouldn't have sold the land then wanted it back none of it would have ever happened. Funny how that's ALWAYS left out of the story. No one colonized them. They purchased the land. Let that not be forgotten.

[@KeepingTheIronThroneWarm]

Please consider doing an episode on Huey Long. Easily the most colorful politician in US history. Loads of humor.

[@coldwar45]

Second this

[@vincentmcdermott3412]

Third this!!

[@CharlieBam]

Definitely, his life was an absurd and hilarious tragedy

[@AaronWhite-z5q]

All hail the king fish

[@AlchZdot]

I’m a stonemason and we renovated one of the first stone houses in the county directly north of the town of council grove Kansas. It’s said that the calvary would visit the house often. My boss found a Calvary button at that house.

[@marymclaughlindavis1670]

Love the podcast. Also love how you say Washita. Americans pronounce it wash-ee-taw. Thanks for great podcast.

[@lindavanderbaan3488]

People who live near the Washita pronounce it WASH-ih-taw.

[@tonykehoe123]

“ like a bison “ …..comedy gold !

[@gerryenglish3122]

Superb podcast

[@infozencentre]

US soldiers at the time served on 1/4 pay at reduced rank. Custer for example being reduced to Colonel from General (some people still call him General Custer and I thinknits proper). Units were at reduced strength also. None of Custer's companies were full strength. Serving in the Army during the period was akin to being on unemployment benefits both financially and socially. In the US troops pay for their own food and uniforms deducted from their pay, so those men and their families were truly poor. Army wives were notoriously dressed in patch work dresses and earned extra money doing odd jobs for the personel such as cooking, sewing etc.

[@danielcrotty3598]

Not Colonel but lieutenant colonel.

[@MrJerkensen]

As a Kansan who now lives in California, you are not wrong gentlemen! After the events of Burning Kansas, there is no reason to send a man like Custer there.

[@verenamaharajah6082]

I’m afraid this Irish man completely misunderstood the ladies use of the word ‘wretched’. It wasnt a slur, she wasn’t describing the Irish as wretched, she was describing the deplorable state or condition of the poor half starved people who were forced to escape the potato famine by emigrating.

[@FiveLiver]

Who's the Irishman?

[@stephenn3727]

Thank you sirs

[@gerryenglish3122]

Good account of the massacre of Black Kettle’s camp in the film Little Big Man. Brilliant podcast, thanks chaps!

[@mrblitzer8705]

No excuses or rationalizations can possibly even remotely excuse the inhumanity of the Washita Massacre.

[@FlyJohnny100]

"Those able to view history with a keen sense of humor will come to understand the rich parade of humanity that binds our past and present. The rest are doomed to repeat it." --Some Guy on the Internet

[@howwwwwyyyyy]

It's a pity you didn't start with flashmans view of Custer from GM Frasers book, would have been a hilarious start

[@remy1234ish]

Like this episode and your pod; but it always tickles me(as an American) how much Brits are taken with the American West.

[@Liz-lr1ch]

What a bromance

[@richardshowers]

I think it so kind of class 3b to let Dominic use their library corner.

[@FiveLiver]

It is.

[@dorothyblair6741]

I googled images of Benteen. Their descriptions of him are spot on. Benteen might have been a little jealous of Custer I surmise

[@drstrangelove4998]

Benteen was pathologically jealous if Custer. Mind you, he didn’t have a good word to say about anybody except himself.

[@iankelly5797]

Sounds like Custer got beastly drunk like Flashman.

[@byronevans7526]

The wearing of a barrel was part of the punishment for Union soldiers in the Civil War who were drummed out of the army. Face-branding was, apparently, also used in some cases.

[@griffhenshaw5631]

Some say he wasn't thinking about the the presidency. I think he was.

[@darkspar72]

"Heading towards Colonel Kurtz territory. " !!!

[@sawahtb]

Love the show. You all don’t have a very British accent really but the way you pronounce Grant is telling.

[@billythedog-309]

What is a very British accent?

[@sawahtb]

@@billythedog-309 There are a lot of "accents" in the UK, they are just different than the accents in the U.S. We sound "American" even though someone from the South is substantially different than someone from Boston. When I hear specific words pronounced "strangely" I know you're not from around here.

[@billythedog-309]

@@sawahtb But these two don't have very British accents???

[@sawahtb]

@@billythedog-309 I never know when I’ll say something that I didn’t think was particularly controversial but it seems to have triggered you a lot.

[@billythedog-309]

@@sawahtb Only when you say something that doesn't seem to make sense and then your explanation sidesteps the issue.

[@jimsilvey5432]

Great.

[@notgay89]

This is all very revealing about Custard. I always thought it was a pastry filling.

[@MrIrishscouse]

😂

[@andy_travis]

❤

[@Truffle_Pup]

Dad? Is that you?

[@DarrenRobinson-i3w]

That's your idea of humour? What an efwit.

[@waynelayton8568]

Silly Limey's,talking American History. Very 😎

[@frederickschwarz246]

Excellent Content!!!! Sorry about my NORMATIVE assessment however, is that Custer is an unqualified "Cad" I'm again ashamed of my Country's history after hearing of this Washita massacre/battle.🙏🤗🌎🇺🇲💯

[@bryantrammell1831]

"yeah"

[@beachcomberbob3496]

As a boy who grew up watching black & white westerns, I always thought it was pronounced 'SHY-ANNE' (rather than like CAYENNE).

[@MrDellasc]

Grant certainly didn’t love the “Peacock”.

[@robertalpy]

Eli Parker was an Oneida. The only tribe of the Iroquois that sides with the colonies during the war for independence. Their reward was they were not deiven into Canada and today they are the only Iroquois tribe that has their reservation on their land in NY and the only tribe allowed to run a Casino in NY.

[@christophercarrier2902]

Ely Parker was Seneca.

[@robertalpy]

@christophercarrier2902 you're right. I always get those two mixed up. Well that makes what I said nonsense. Despite his tribes bad choices during the revolution,he at least made the right one during the Civil war...lol.

[@Dr_DeeDee]

Mr. Noonan knew, 100%

[@phillipwilcox6377]

his brother won not one, but two, Medals of Honor during the ACW

[@dakotabynum5137]

They kinda just handed em out at the time it's more rare to receive one now

[@IanCross-xj2gj]

"There aren't enough indians in the country to whip the 7th cavalry". Custer's epitaph.

[@susanharris8406]

Oh, how I wish you had been my teachers. Thank you for this .

[@dakotabynum5137]

Honestly there is nothing here in kansas, being in the army would 100% suck stull does but air force i feel is fun lots of areas to really open up them jets i see them all the time

[@johnquestel4852]

Watch "Little Big Man"

[@allthingsfrench1391]

I live between El Paso and Austin small town. It's still racist. They still have Davey Crockett set up as this hero.. which he wasn't. This town is 99% Hispanic. All that stuff still is talked about and written about. The big statue stands in the park with all prominent white families names. There is a story in the book written in this area about a school house with all the children in it attacked by the Indians. They scalped all the children but one who had hid under a table undetected. That child was the one who told the story. Apparently the Indians were not happy that the white people moved into the area and wanted to send a very harsh message. I saw a sign today that read: "Remember to lock up your guns Save a life"

[@ropeburnsrussell]

Hey, T E Lawrence shot his own camel in the head during a charge. These things happen.

[@jamesperson7241]

The Comanche in Texas were far more powerful than the northern plains tribes. Lee, Sheridan, and more had less happy encounters with the Comanche. Empire of the Rising Sun is such a great book.

[@JenniferKirchhoff-d4l]

The Native Americans were equally brutal and vicious… unfortunately for them, they just did not win. Mankind has the capacity for great cruelty or kindness, regardless of race…

[@infozencentre]

What would winning have looked like? The fact is they were carrying out a life that was prehistoric and the rest of the world had invented trains, telecommunications and soon the aeroplane etc. A teenage Lakota at Big Horn, could have lived long enough to hear on the Radio the bomb had been dropped on Hiroshima. Same for other indigenous peoples around the world. Some have done better but only if they lived somewhere like the Arctic circle. I'm not saying they were wrong, only that the situation was as inevitable as getting wet when it rains.

[@examplelife1567]

Tecumseh. The war of 1812. Probably the most farcical wars ever! And certainly the reason Canada came into being ! Rare that you get 1 military genius tactician in any given war, the War of 1812 had two; Tecumseh and Isaac Brock. I think it speaks volumes about Tecumseh, for despite fighting against the Americans the Sherman family made the decision to nane their son after the Shawnee warrior ; Williams Tecumseh. Isaac single handily ran the defence along the Niagara River and various other places, paying only the barest of lip service to anyone senior. His one wish was to return to Europe and fight in the Peninsula war!

[@GoBlueGirl78]

Canada did not become a nation because of the War of 1812.

[@geecee2526]

​@GoBlueGirl78 not literally, but tje war did help to forge a nascent Canadian identity (albeit one that was still proudly part of the Empire). Both Upper and Lower Canada were British colonies overwhelmingly populated by French Canadien and American-born Loyalists respectively. Despite this, neither welcomed the invaders and instead, volunteered to defend Canada against those who fancied themselves as liberators from British oppression. I'd say that was a good start towards nationhood!

[@GoBlueGirl78]

@@geecee2526 Do you have a citation that Upper and Lower Canada were “overwhelmingly populated by French Canadiens and American Loyalists”? I’ve never heard this before & would love to learn more if true. Lower Canada would certainly have a French majority, but Upper Canada was settled mainly by British and Scottish. American Loyalists/UEL certainly migrated to Upper Canada around and after the War of1812. I agree with you that a nascent identity was forming, but the OP said the War of 1812 was the reason Canada came into being, which is not true. Canada formed for many reasons: US invasions (Quebec, 1812, Fenian Raids), and the US Civil War’s impact were making London nervous and the colonies were getting expensive to maintain. Confederation solidified us as a sovereign country within the British Dominion. WW1 made us a nation.

[@barnesmultimedia2725]

A handsome young alcoholic, that's Weir!

[@karlmeyer9473]

He is called Tashunka Witko. " His Horse Is Crazy."

[@ellaw356]

Wait! Custer strangled his dogs for barking (which wtf did he think they would do)...BUT brought a BAND to play????

[@afwalker1921]

Didn't Crazy Horse also have a dog named Byron? I remember reading this...

[@wasnt_it]

I drank Crazy Horse in high school.

[@jono8884]

Interesting to note that Great Britain was having a similar time with the Anglo-Zulu war....Battle of Isandlwana / Rork's Drift. Would love to see a compare and contrast.

[@FiveLiver]

Good shout.

[@examplelife1567]

A vast amount of women fought during the American Civil War, on both sides. I believe more so on the side of South. Just so that I'm clear, I mean they fought in uniform.....(or the closest thing to, if fighting for the South!)

[@jonathonjubb6626]

Not paying!! Not paying on KZbin - that's the whole point....

[@remy1234ish]

As an aside, many, many Union soldiers are pretty blase' about slavery....until they begin to penetrate the deep South and see the reality--the scarred backs, the slave cabins, the poverty and hopelessness, the childlike thankfulness for freedom and the lost look in their eyes(what now? is what they ponder; bad as slavery was, the future post-slavery is totally unknowable). This had many soldiers saying things like, " now i know why we fought the war" as opposed to the idea of saving the Union, which was why most of the northern boys volunteered.

[@griffhenshaw5631]

Souix??

[@garylynch9206]

According to Harry Flashman, his command of the 7th was not entirely happy.

[@tomcervo]

Benteen's enmity may have had two causes. He'd distinguished himself in the fighting in the west, and the easterners dominated the press and publicity. The westerners were rather like the Forgotten 14th Army of WW2, they had their own battles which were ignored, like this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYC7haR8oq2If5Isi=_QHAWt5trJndpw0O The other was the fact of Major Joel Elliott being a friend and comrade of Benteen's; Elliott took a platoon off on a scout to the northeast--which Custer should have done before the battle and didn't--and was unaccounted for at the end of the battle. Custer made no effort to search for him and effectively abandoned him. That wouldn't sit well with soldiers today and it didn't then.

[@johndcornell6341]

For some reason the river name is pronounced...wash- eh-taw.....not wa-shee-ta.....native pronunciation maybe

[@frankgagas9569]

Great episode gents. I appreciate how you agonized over how the plains Indians were treated. You didn’t apply your 21st century British morals to history. Good job!!!

[@georgemccormick4786]

Jeb Stuart had the same dash and flash without the sadistic narcissism.

[@danielcrotty3598]

Colonel Samuel D. Sturgis is in command of the 7th cavalry, but not in the field.

[@examplelife1567]

Diog soldiers were the elite warriors, they fought and while they would have hunted, they wouldn't have done so under as dog soldiers.

[@CheneyGraphics]

Little Big Horn Custer family dead: George, Grandson Henry, Brother-in-Law, James, 2 Brothers, Boston and Thomas, and Nephew, Autie Reed. 6 in all. You may have mentioned this. If so, forgive me (please) for the repetition.

[@FiveLiver]

Wait for part 8

[@infozencentre]

I recall that one of his descendants served in Vietnam but I've forgotten the details, I think he retired a Brigadier in the late 80s

[@frankboer7130]

no matter who you are half the people will love and the other half will hate you.

[@peterpayne2219]

Wow, you seem to have only the first three parts of this up on KZbin, so the algo keeps trying to show me parts I've already watched again and again? Not really a fan of the games you lot have been playing since you started the Rest Is History Club. You're starting to seem like a couple of right gits, whatever that means.

[@ArchStanton-xw2bd]

Very middle class view from the Shires...the most danger they've had is buttering toast

[@griffhenshaw5631]

No sand creek was a massacre and upset great many americans. I contend the indian wars were brutal. Mutual respect for bravery etc but no quarter. The enemy was to be killed and denied full abilities in the afterlife. Happy hunting grounds or heaven. Btw my gggrandfather was in Texas post civil war. Died there of disease.....luckily hed had children before

[@jbsweeney1077]

The northerners didn't dislike the southerners for being racist. They were every bit as racist.

[@VaucluseVanguard]

If that were the case, why the Civil War.

[@jbsweeney1077]

@@VaucluseVanguard The south objected to increasing tariffs, and seceded. Lincoln responded by invading the south.

[@stephenlight647]

“They” is a word doing an awful lot of work in that sentence. There were, in fact, actual abolitionists in the North. Now, if you want to say that a large part of the North was against slavery, but also did not think the blacks their equal, I could agree. But that would be true of the vast majority of all of humanity throughout history.

[@jbsweeney1077]

@@stephenlight647 Yes #notallnortherners. There were abolitionists in the south as well. eg angelina grimke My point is that Dominic's claim, that the northerners generally would have disliked the southerners because of their racism, is a modern narrative.

[@ToddSauve]

@@jbsweeney1077 If northerners disliked southerners it was because they wanted to secede from the union and also wanted to not only preserve slavery but also expand it westward into the new territories. It gets a tiny bit more complex than that but not much.

[@newyardleysinclair9960]

Read Butchers Crossing about the Buffalo hunt

[@LTrotsky21stCentury]

Disappointed to hear of the behavior of Hancock "The Superb."

[@wildgoose5964]

Errol Flynn has got a lot to answer for!

[@lottakukeke3146]

Could you please start putting proper subtitles to your videos? I'm sure many would be grateful 😊 Thanks for pods

[@examplelife1567]

URG....You're pronouncing Comanche incorrectly 😮

[@marblackCanada]

The British were much more insidious here in Canada, used manipulation signed treaties, did not live up to the terms of course. The North West Mounted police had move into the West to bring law and order not the British Army. So we didn't have the wars or massacres, but result were the same the Natives forced onto receivers, treated as third class citizens under the British and then Canadian Government. Difference today Native Canadians are having a large influence on our politics , in the US it is like they do not exist.

[@jonathonjubb6626]

We didn't get to rule so much of the world by being "nice"...

[@robertcottam8824]

So, of course, you’ll be returning the stolen land on which you live, no doubt… Toodlepip.

[@Dru517]

There’s a big difference between Canadian natives and American natives. Ours were gnarly as fuck. Plus we had the crazy ass Mexican Aztecs In the south. The plains Indians were the greatest light Cavalry in history. They fucked us up a lot. The Canadians didn’t go through this to that extent.

[@marblackCanada]

@@Dru517 The results are basically the same.

[@pjd6977]

​@@Dru517 you're chatting absolute bollocks. The Indian tribes didn't care about European drawn border. As for them not being as fierce I'd ask you to look at the war of 1812.

[@naomiseraphina9718]

No need to apologize to the Kansans. They know what they did.

[@dakotabynum5137]

We was a natural state we didn't do anything

[@griffhenshaw5631]

Im part indian...woopie. my older friends use indian younger say native.

[@examplelife1567]

I don't know if you're trying to be PC but let's call it what it is : GENOCIDE ....CUT WITH UMING AND AHING And if I might point out......I LIVE IN CANADA , CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AND GENOCIDE still happen to this day. At the Human Rights court in The Hague there was a trail held a few . The list of defendants existence and horrific. Every single person and/institutions was found guilty. This information was readily available on the Internet, but has been removed recently. Two of the most important people died recently.

[@GoBlueGirl78]

You’re ridiculous.

[@griffhenshaw5631]

Sand creek is well known

[@fastpublish]

Was Custer's fate a giant act of fragging?

[@infozencentre]

There's a School of thought that he might have been shot dead to save him from being captured. But we'll never know exactly what happened. It's enough anyway what we do know. He lost

[@henkvandergaast3948]

You really hate Australians having a love life

[@newyardleysinclair9960]

Cant we just be proud of our heritage without having "supremacist" attached to it?

[@Puffball-ll1ly]

Custards race realism was normal for the period. When we lost it we are where we are now. London is 75% plus non white.

[@haakonfantomet7171]

How abaut an ep Max Manus, nr 24,the flame&l lemmen ww2 resistans fighters

[@mercurydylan899]

A bit too pro-reconstruction. But I give you a pass as a foreigner.

[@VaucluseVanguard]

Was interested in what Sherman thought about the indigenous peoples of the US, that the destruction of their culture was inevitable, just a natural phenomenon. It reminds me of what is happening to European culture right now.

[@billythedog-309]

lt doesn't take much for for a racist to squeeze his views into any issue.

[@JiminPalmSprings]

I doubt you have few Kansas listeners who have the interest or capacity or intelligence to learn from your podcast …. They are way too involved in whatever the Trump cult is up to.

[@BlandBrowser]

What Custer did to the Cheyanne was a massacre, but it was supposed to be. The colonists learned this way of warfare from the natives. In native warfare the objective of a major attack was to destroy the enemy people, and a camp or town of women and children was a high-reward, low risk target, a big win. If the people managed to flee it was just as good to destroy food stores, they would die just as sure that way (thus killing the horses). English settlers got caught on the losing side of these massacre attacks many times early in colonial history, and learned from native converts that the correct way to respond was in kind. Take a look at King Phillips war and the three other wars like it, two in Virginia and two in New England and you will see how this lesson was learned.

[@MrDellasc]

I have to disagree with you. First off, Chief Black Kettle was told by the fort commander to camp at the Washita, and had an American Flag on his teepee, and those Indians were massacred. Have you ever read up on the Vikings and how they conducted warfare? Most Indian tribes adopted conquered people into their own tribes (especially the Cheyanne and Sioux). The Visigoths and the German tribes were also brutal in grit warfare. The leadership of the European Americans would’ve been very aware of their own history (Anglo/Saxon/Vikings).

[@BlandBrowser]

@@MrDellasc Nope - do not agree. The colonists in the north were trying to make a more perfect christian society and were shocked at what the natives did and at what they themselves did in response. Also, adopting people into your tribe works just fine in conjunction with a massacre. The Mongols had a rule about this, they measured the captives height against the axel of a cart, too tall they killed them, short (young) enough and they were adopted. Black Kettle got screwed, common in war. Besides, we have first hand accounts of natives massacring whites and the accounts are brutal, easily on a par with Custer. Custer hit the wrong camp, but he did the right thing.

[@MrDellasc]

@@BlandBrowser We can disagree to disagree. I can name hundreds of times when we (our European ancestors) massacred tribes in the East US that simply stopped existing by the mid 19th century. Were the native tribes violent and war like? Yes they were. We can probably agree that humans are a species that have been fighting each other since the dawn of man. Aggression is part of human nature.

[@BlandBrowser]

@@MrDellasc Yes that's true. But the colonists did not come to North America with a method of warfare where wiping out civilians was the primary purpose of fighting. They learned that from the natives. You may think I am wrong, but if you read the history or warfare and the history of the colonization of North America you will eventually come around to my view.

[@fattshea8085]

​@@MrDellascwell I don't think the average American would know much about the ancient Germanic tribes

[@CinRife]

Im sure custer let them kill the natives he did

[@griffhenshaw5631]

Tecumseh was indian chief who united indians of the NE vs white man.