Custom Freewing Mig 29 Maiden and Crash!

[@noobiekush]

As the previous owner.I was only able to get 3 flights on this jet. One being full throttle high alpha emergency landing! I thought maybe i wasnt skilled enough. But after seeing this. I know for sure the mods & paint (although it looked amazing ..shout out to dan!) Was the issue.

[@rolersonpaule7419]

Such a nice looking plane! I can tell you are a good pilot...always follow your gut feeling, but I admire your courage in the pursuit of flight!

[@all_rc]

Thanks man. Though a good pilot would have known the plane was too heavy to begin with. Yes it had enough power to take off. But it would never be able to fly as well as stock. Now i know what an overloaded C17 feels like to fly. 🤣

[@ricardopr54]

Sorry for your loss my friend! 🥺 Beautiful aircraft, but looked and sounded underpowered!... Thumbs-up for your video! Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 👍🏾🌵🦠😷🇵🇷 Like#29

[@all_rc]

Appreciate it bro. Too much paint and 3D printed parts. I should have trusted my gut. Lesson learned

[@Robinrms]

What was the weight this compare to the stock one?

[@ibyvideo]

I am sorry for your loss. I crashed two mig 29 and I have 2, I am flying almost every good day. Two crashes on 12 blades 🤪. Weight with trust vectors about 13 pounds and trust about 11-12 pounds, possibly it was nose too heavy and battery problem. Also I have two more air cheat hole covered with grills by main gears. Good lock and Happy Father’s Day

[@all_rc]

How are your Migs flying now?

[@ibyvideo]

@@all_rc I like it. Lately I am flying just mig 29 with spectrum 50c 5000 battery, and replaced stock esc to flycolor W trust revers, our runway is not to long. On both of them I have over 150 flights. Also replaced servos to mg digital hi tech.

[@Grimbold81]

What was the reason for the Crash ? I think the Jet was not top slow.

[@all_rc]

Went into full stall. I was fighting to keep the wings level but there was not enough airspeed to keep the plane lifted. Even at full throttle it was not accelerating enough to overcome the weight of the plane after i turned back toward the runway. Every time i tried to correct the wing rock, the surface deflection would slow the plane down even more. Could be wrong and im just a crap flyer. But thats why i got another one and made sure it was totally stock to compare the difference. kzbin.info/www/bejne/maTcq51jiMqVb8U

[@a10nmw]

did look slow on take off and ground speed was not brilliant, sorry for the loss. it was a beautiful plane

[@all_rc]

I'll take stock over beautiful any day. 🤣 kzbin.info/www/bejne/maTcq51jiMqVb8U Found another one right away.

[@wtfmimshag]

No way a bit of paint and some 3dp bits would make the mig fly like that, even with the TV system that has 4 extra servos it floats like a butterfly. Can tell from the sound there was something up with the power system.

[@Jazzman-bj9fq]

It's probably more than just 'a bit of paint'. You can tell from the closeups at the beginning of the vid that whatever the guy painted or surfaced it with, he pretty much filled in all the foam defects and the normal foam texturing you see on even the $500 price range edf jets would be very noticeable. It looks almost like it was heat wrapped. But all that covering adds much more weight than you might imagine. You add a coat of paint or two to a real life jet, the mass of that paint is just about insignificant to the mass and power of the jet. With a foamie, you can easily apply enough paint and/or glue to increase the overall mass by 15-25% and with no addition of thrust, that's too much to carry around and fly the way it was designed.

[@RCPlaneAddict]

Agreed. That plane sounds weak on take off. Should have done a power check on the ground for at least 20 seconds wide open.

[@all_rc]

@RC Plane Addict Appreciate the comments guys. But lets not assume all the preflight checks werent done. I spent 2 days sorting out the plane. Trimming the surfaces. Checked the wiring. Amp draw test. This plane was just too heavy to fly. If you guys dont want to accept that reality, then try it on your own planes. 🤣 I was disappointed with this particular setup because i KNEW it was too heavy to fly. Yet i bit the bullet and took a shot at it. There is NO WAY i would ruin my own credibility by selling this plane to someone else after i realized this thing would not fly as originally designed. I was already planning to just take the electronics out and put them in other planes and just junk the airframe. Or sell it to someone who wanted to put a turbine on it. But who knows how long that would take. Worst that could happen is exactly what happened, and i accepted that well before take off. If you guys dont think paint, filler, epoxy, polyurethane and a load of 3DP parts adds up to excessive weight and definitely affects the plane's ability to fly as designed, then hopefully this video showed exactly that. I literally bought another Mig 29 as soon as i found out someone else from the field had one for sale because i really wanted to see how this model would fly IN STOCK form without all the crap done to this particular model. This is the video of the STOCK Mig 29 i got to replace this heavy one. kzbin.info/www/bejne/maTcq51jiMqVb8U Im fortunate that the previous owner of this stock model took great care of it. It literally looked brand new. He is a Turbine guy and just didnt want to deal with charging batteries for 4 mins of flight anymore.

[@jacklets3851]

@@all_rc I appreciate your ability to admit that it was your fault. Paint and filler really does add up when you paint a plane of this size. I know a guy at my field who had the freewing f22 90mm and he made a full 3D printed canopy but unfortunately it added like a half pound to the plane and he lost it because of that. A lot of people don’t realize what half a pound can do to these planes. I design and build my own planes and have learned just how quickly the thrust to weight ratio can change. I would highly recommend using vinyl cover next time. It weighs almost nothing and gives a perfectly smooth finish and it’s glossy. You can buy it in rolls and it’s just adhesive stick on cover that is super easy to work with and it lasts a long time. It feels heavy in the roll but a majority of the weight is that paper that you peel off if it

[@jacklets3851]

@@all_rc also I didn’t realize that you didn’t do the paint job so I guess it wasn’t your fault so my bad. I still would recommend vinyl though

[@celsov4321]

Why was it too heavy to begin with? Were there mods done? If so, what were they that made the wingloading to high? Was the motor upgraded?

[@williamwallace9427]

They said at the begging it was heavy from previous owners epoxy work

[@mpojr]

looks like the wing loading is just a tad high

[@Hiergibtesnixzusehen]

Cheer up! That's a (sad) part of our hobby 😁👍

[@all_rc]

No tears shed. I had it coming. Got another one. Made sure it was stock and asked the owner to fly it before i paid for it. Lesson learned.

[@lucast.mathews4797]

Did you calibrate the throttle before that flight? it sounds like 50 or 60% power. Sorry for your loss :S

[@all_rc]

Yeah. Made sure motors and esc were calibrated and in sync. The weight was always my concern. So me and my friend really made sure. It was full throttle and sinking when the wings were level. Lost too much speed on the turn in. The more i tried to keep the plane level the more it lost speed. My last attempt to save it was to try to nose down and hope it would come out of stall, but it just never recovered.

[@anthonytownsend109]

Were you running it on 6s? Should be 12s

[@all_rc]

Each motor uses 1 6S 6000 battery. So its 2X6S. Its incorrect to call it a 12S setup because the batteries are not connected in series.

[@anthonytownsend109]

@@all_rcoh.. ok.. that makes sense

[@jacklets3851]

Sorry man, unfortunately freewing planes don’t always have a ton of thrust which doesn’t leave room for mods to be done. They fly fine stock though

[@victorrcjets7660]

Looked nose heavy. He was on the cg line?

[@all_rc]

I believe it was.

[@jacklets3851]

Was just too heavy

[@jamesl8722]

Where is your 2nd battery?

[@all_rc]

It ejected. You can see one of the guys picking it up in the video

[@VictorHugoRC1111]

The infamous elevator issue?

[@all_rc]

Seems likely...

[@fern6978]

It sounded like you weren't running intake lips... Which would rob you of almost 30% power.

[@stark1758]

flew my Mig 29 maiden this weekend at Horizonfest in Champainge ILL and it flew great until my second flight which was my first mid air. Ugh!

[@all_rc]

Holy smokes! Did you at least get the mid air on video? Sorry to hear bud

[@all_rc]

@@jbgamers1627 theres video of the crash site inspection at the end. It wasnt worth repairing. It wasnt flying the way i would like. Adding even more weight from repairing crash damage would make things even worse. Wouldnt be worth the time. So i got another one (totally stock) to see the difference. kzbin.info/www/bejne/maTcq51jiMqVb8U

[@hsmith9100]

no way that jet was too heavy I literally use the same batteries and I am flying the original first production mig 29 and my mig rips and flys like an absolute beauty.......best flying foam EDF period.

[@all_rc]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/maTcq51jiMqVb8U

[@jacklets3851]

The stock one isn’t too heavy. But when you add a pound of filler and paint, it really screws with the thrust to weight radio

[@hsmith9100]

@@jacklets3851 but those hovoo 100c batteries are badass....i have about 8 of them and they are best bang for the buck

[@רועיחי-כ4ס]

I've been through the same thing with my f16 from freewing, nose was too heavy + wind + low throttle😑.. as it was unfixable i through it away. my heart was broken💔.

[@all_rc]

It happens man. Best we can do is learn from the mistakes or observations and improve on the next one. Whenever i have a catastrophic crash, i get one of my other planes in the air to shake off the bad spirits.

[@meangene5104]

Looks like Dan's plane? The Belgian sniper? I almost bought it from him a couple months ago. Sorry about the crash bro.

[@fadinifly2003]

Romanian Sniper

[@JohnVHRC]

Such an easy flying plane, crazy

[@all_rc]

Got another one. The stock setup flies fine. kzbin.info/www/bejne/maTcq51jiMqVb8U

[@stark1758]

mine is much louderand seem to have more thrust

[@kangamanic]

Remember seeing you taxi out - - said it was heavy. Bummer..

[@all_rc]

Yeah. But it was either take a chance and fly it, or hang it on the wall for display. Didnt think i could find another buyer after the realization that it was too heavy sunk in. Would have felt too guilty to sell it to someone else.

[@DaveItYourselfChannel]

That thing took off like an over loaded freighter. Damn, sorry bro. It was such a pretty bird. Mod Podge instead of polyurethane. Much lighter!

[@all_rc]

Thanks for the tip. But this thing was over modified. Too much 3D printed parts. Literally added pounds to the AUW.

[@DaveItYourselfChannel]

@@all_rc Damn. Then it ended up being a lost "Shelf Queen" opportunity also. Double damn.

[@michaelwhinnery164]

That should buff right out.

[@all_rc]

🤣 Hahahaha! Buffed it straight into the bin. You get the comment of the day! 🙌

[@Mightymouserc]

Sorry bro I could hear it on your roll out those motors didn’t sound right like not high pitch sound of power!

[@all_rc]

Yeah. It didnt feel right at all. I passed the point of no return. So it was either pull the elevators at the last moment and get it in the air, or let it roll into the bushes at the end of the runway. It was too heavy to stop after passing the halfway point on the runway. No brakes. So if i aborted the take off, it would have been damaged rolling into the bushes. The plane was too heavy already. More weight from crash repairs would have just made things worse.

[@aerialvideo0007]

So, maybe factory problem. They do not put powerful enough motors for this heavy jets?. Really sorry. Is a big lost.

[@all_rc]

No. I got another one that was factory stock. It flies very well. This one just had too many layers of primer, filler, paint, and 3D Printed parts. This is the video of my other Mig29 that came factory stock. kzbin.info/www/bejne/maTcq51jiMqVb8U

[@obee1kanobee]

I think when you put it on 50% you put the throttle on 50% as well

[@jacklets3851]

No, the plane had full power, it’s just that the plane was too heavy with all the paint. Filler and paint adds a lot more weight than you’d think

[@jacklets3851]

And im not trying to be rude but I can assure you that at 50% throttle that plane would never have taken off

[@BDTennessee]

That Mig didnt have the 9 blade inrunners. Sounded like the outrunners from F14. Sorry to see crash :(

[@all_rc]

It was running 12B on the 1920KV IR motors. Plane looked great with all the paint work and 3DP details. But it was doomed. Felt like original owner was planning to convert to Turbine. No way twin 80s would be enough to fly well.

[@mr.sinister1279]

Well at least the pilot ejected.. nothing sun gorilla tape n glue can’t fix

[@all_rc]

Yes, throttle were calibrated. Just too heavy

[@fias6]

That is our hobby😯 looks like elevator servos failure

[@Hiergibtesnixzusehen]

I thought the same. Something was wrong with the elevator

[@all_rc]

I dont think it was the elevator. The stock servos were upgraded to Hitec HS82MG since the previous owner was aware of the servo issues. CG was at the indicated position. But it was really heavy. Maybe even the HS82 had problems moving the tail at full throttle. So i got another Mig and made sure it was totally stock so i could find out how it was orginally designed to fly. Huge difference. kzbin.info/www/bejne/maTcq51jiMqVb8U

[@jacklets3851]

@@all_rc I want to get this plane, have you had any issue with the stock elevator servos? I’ve heard complaints but I’ve never had an issue with a freewing servo

[@all_rc]

@@jacklets3851 apparently the current version that Motion is selling has improved servos compared to the first batch. Also much better linkage. The guy I got my 2nd Mig29 from says his was from the "improved" batch. And I could definitely see the difference compared to early videos of what people got when it first came out. So far my 2nd Mig is flying great with the stock setup and it's really one of my favorite models to fly right now. The Mig29 has amazing presence on the table and in the air. It dwarfs every other Freewing EDF model by far.

[@all_rc]

@@jacklets3851 this is a video of my 2nd Mig29 to replace this heavy blue one. kzbin.info/www/bejne/maTcq51jiMqVb8U

[@jeffwest5080]

Brings back to the Nitro DF days lol heavy and no power!

[@all_rc]

Hahaha! Minus the weed wacker sound.

[@natecougoule9468]

Sounds like the original owner down graded the fans sounded like older outrunners

[@all_rc]

Na. It was actually modifed to run 12B and higher amp ESCs. Just too much extra 3D Printed details and heavy layers of paint. The motors were really straining.

[@RobisonRacing68]

That's a shame... Sorry! :(

[@Jazzman-bj9fq]

Yeah that bad boy was hefty. Wouldn't have helped even to make it to the runway, it would have pancaked on the hardtop just as bad. That plane would've have needed alot more thrust but also something like reinforcement with carbon fiber spars through it. You see planes that get modded and they're so heavy when the guys carry them you can see it flexing even then. Whomever you bought it from went way overboard with the paint and all that. These foamies aren't structurally that strong.

[@all_rc]

For sure. People dont realize how much polyurethane, primer, and paint can add so much weight to a plane. 3DP parts are also taken for granted. The guy from MotionRC crashed his F18 when he replaced the foam ordinance with 3DP parts. Assuming the CG and AUW wouldnt be affected. He fought to save plane after take off. But it was just too much. I should have listened to my gut. But i was just too impulsive seeing it in front of me. Ended up getting 2 of the same thing. Which cost more than a brand new one and a pair of batteries. Maybe this blue plane was being built up for a turbine conversion.

[@Jazzman-bj9fq]

@@all_rc I'm sure they put at least five layers of paint just to get it the way they wanted and they probably re-painted over mistakes when it just wasn't right for them and yes paint for sure has weight to it and while it can make some parts a little tougher it doesn't add enough strength to make that added weight worth it. With those custom printed parts it's not just the parts but the hot glue or whatever adhesives he slathered on to make it strong increased the weight quite a bit as well. That's why the dude sold it because he knew it was no longer viable to fly. I think some folks who get into rc don't realize how challenging the actual flying is, especially when they get to edfs, and therefore they spend more time in customizing so they can kind of put off the flying AND landing part, lol.

[@all_rc]

@@Jazzman-bj9fq This is why i changed the video title to CUSTOM Freewing Mig29. Not fair to make it seem like a stock Freewing Mig29 would fly like this. The plane i got to replace this one was totally stock and well maintained. Had no problems with CG or Elevator servo on the maiden. And its currently my favorite jet to fly BECAUSE of the weight and presence in the air. Its very smooth flying and flies like its on rails. Also love watching the Mig29 on final approach with full flaps to touchdown. Its just awesome!

[@Jazzman-bj9fq]

@@all_rc It looks like a pretty cool plane. Glad you're having a great experience with it. I need to get back into the hobby. I haven't flown in a few years, still have a couple planes in boxes still that I've never put together nor flown.

[@all_rc]

@@Jazzman-bj9fq i just got back into it after about 10 years out. Nice to be back in the air and working on planes. Get back out there man! 🙌

[@henryairconcepts2999]

When he gets out of the turn, he should have had the throttle back down. It's the weight and momentum that make it harder to pull up

[@all_rc]

Nothing was gna save it. If i throttled down, it may have given a few more seconds of glide. But the plane was in full stall which is why the wings were rocking so hard. I tried to nose down to get some airpeed, but once the elevators let go, it just dove into the ground. Even if i got this thing back on the runway it would never fly well. No wonder it was for sale. My mistake was buying it. 🤣

[@shelbyseelbach9568]

LOL. That's the EXACT reason why you fly the plane and THEN spend time modifying it.

[@all_rc]

The plane was used. Previous owner did the mods.

[@shelbyseelbach9568]

@@all_rc Well, then I'm going to have to say that the title of the video is more than a little misleading then.

[@all_rc]

@@shelbyseelbach9568 to each their own... I assume you mean that the video was titled maiden.... If I get a plane used.... I still call my first flight a maiden. I still have to adjust trims and get a feel for it and see how it flies... to me. I would assume when a real pilot buys a used plane, he still calls his first flight a maiden. But whatever, can't please everyone. Thanks for watching

[@shelbyseelbach9568]

@@all_rc Not at all. The title made it sound like it was the maiden for the customizations, which it wasn't. That's all.

[@shelbyseelbach9568]

@@all_rc For the record, I never complained or stated my unhappiness in any way. I'm merely trying to explain how your title misled me into making my first irrelevant comment by implying a situation for the flight that didn't actually exist. There is literally nothing to get defensive about. I gave the video a thumbs up and enjoyed it enough to comment for what it's worth.

[@Locurastv747]

Jajajjajaa que paso

[@victormontalbano4993]

CG. Is CG

[@all_rc]

I got another Mig29 that was still stock with no paint and 3D Printed mods. It flew fine. kzbin.info/www/bejne/maTcq51jiMqVb8U CG on the blue one was correct. It was not a CG problem. The plane was carrying too much weight from heavy 3D Printed details and thick layers of paint.

[@JustEnoughRC]

What a bummer she looked good for a bit there

[@the_steko]

call NTSB

[@Foxfried]

Probably elevator servo... many of these have crashed because of a bum elevator servo.

[@alonzocalvillo6702]

Just like in Ukraine!

[@williamwallace9427]

Yeah… hopefully a Russian mig and not a Ukrainian one though

[@fern6978]

Don't feel bad... It's one of the worst FW releases of all time. Way too heavy, underpowered, poorly designed, and to be avoided.

[@all_rc]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/maTcq51jiMqVb8U Curiosity was killing me. So i got another one in STOCK form. No paint or custom 3DP anything. Flew much better. But yeah, the performance even after i eventually upgraded the EDF to the newer 1920KV inrunners just really doesnt make me want to fly this one as often as my other planes.

[@fern6978]

@ALL RC Yeah, it's a dud... I've had or flown them all and when people ask me about it, I always let them know. Probably the best overall 90mm they've ever made has to be the Venom, Eurofighter, and the F-22... Just awesome flying models.