Cut and fix architraves 18 gauge or 16 gauge brads? and how I like to do it

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This video is about 16 or 18 gauge brads? and how I like to cut and fix MDF architrave and other mouldings
I really hope you enjoy this video and really appreciate you watching

[@AntonyGoodall]

Love watching you work - so considered and skilled - nothing left to chance. Thanks for sharing as always! Cheers.

[@nikodemandy3591]

Rob u r an absolute star! U made it look soo easy. Ive just done 5 door linings, architraves and fitted one door and I tell u I was was stressing like hell to get it spot on. Definitely lacking a gun nailer and experience but ur videos are very informative and helped me a lot. Even got praised for my work ethic and the final outcome. Im keen diyer and always happy to learn from you.

[@dazcoop4225]

Ive just done a job replacing doors and arcs, what a night mare removing the glued on arcs. Never come across them being glued before. Nail gun at a slight angle, caulk to walls jobs a gooden.

[@gazobee]

Love this video! We are just finishing off our extension and I cut a temporary door hinge with a router freehand, it’s not brilliant! So pleased that the hinge jig is for sale and at such a reasonable price. I have ordered mine! Architraves and skirtings to do so your video is perfectly timed. Thank you once again, I don’t mind buying extra kit from someone when you save me as much money as you have! Top work Robin!

[@rossmale8715]

I actually used to use an 18 but now use a 16 I prefer the fixing strength. I find not much difference, you've still gotta fill the holes anyway so doesn't matter much on the head size, my opinion of course.

[@chrisgardner2597]

To imagine the great Robin Clevett cutting a mitre the wrong way has given me great hope for the rest of us!

[@hogthrob]

If your mitre saw has a little bit of wobble, that's probably because you haven't locked it in place. That's what the lever on the end of the rotating table is for - it isn't just there to hit you in the nuts when you walk too close. :-)

[@mikehall6433]

I remember using ovals and lost heads, Tap the end of them to stop the wood splitting. Flooring with lost heads was always a competition who could knock them in the fastest and with as little hits as possible 😂

[@T.E.P.]

sooooo much content already in 2021. Superb work in all the ways Robin!

[@reddawgrup1779]

Wow... If only I could find a RO so clean and the jams so flush to the wall!! Lol 👍

[@anthonyellis5517]

Love watching you work! Top notch thanks for sharing.

[@dunch1988]

I think those ear defenders would work better on your ears Robin! 😂

[@tomearnshaw8532]

Milwaukee just brought out a 12 volt nailer. Looks a sweet little tool for small jobs.

[@Roedy_Coedy]

I managed to fit architrave to my newly installed stud wall doorway the other day. (I didn't know when you get a door fitted in a stud wall you dont get architrave...) I watched you video, I especially liked the fact you dont need to measure anything, and then just went at it. It looks great, my mind is blown. My father's mind is blown (although I got told off for not measuring...?), my buddies minds were blown. Ordinarily I struggle to use a screwdriver, your videos are magic.

[@ukconstruction]

Thank you Peter!!!

[@Pistol_Knight]

"you can use a combination square to mark out the margin" Robin: "hold my beer whilst I make a Jig" Nice work

[@I-am-not-a-number]

How about a screw in a block? Run it around the jam and the screw head will mark the margin with no evil pencil marks.

[@tompirozek4490]

Yes they can be tempramental as Robin just showed, I always keep my gas in the cab not the back and stuff one in my pocket before use

[@alequee]

Combination square for mitres . I would probably say cutting with handsaw and square is probably just as quick if you are only doing a few door the time you set up chop saw and bench , wood have two sides completed

[@SingleTrack66]

@@alequee so you can cut 8 neat 45 deg mitres with a hand saw before I can get my chopsaw out and do it ?

[@CJ-mj9bo]

@@alequee I just like buttons and triggers 🤣

[@thetallcarpenter]

Thanks for the video Robin. Not been able to get on over the last few weeks due to materials shortages so your videos are helping me keep sane. Interestingly, I've just started using the 16g DeWalt DCN660 angled nail gun and it actually leaves a hole half way between the size of 18g and 16g. 😁 Slick work mate. Cheers.

[@danthechippie4439]

Hi Dell, I always used pastlod nail guns both first and second fix which work great (except when very cold ha). I was wondering if you knew what the main difference is between gas/battery powered guns compared to the cordless versions like the dewalt you have? Cheers

[@thetallcarpenter]

@Dan The Chippie Hi Dan. Gas nailer use a piston and cylinder much like that in an internal combustion engine. Gas is introduced into the cylinder and inginted, pushing the piston down, firing the nail. Battery only guns use stored energy, or inertia built up by a flywheel type arrangement that is used to drive the nails🤞

[@danthechippie4439]

​@@thetallcarpenter hi Dell, I think the 18 g is the way to go for skirting /arctrave, door stops etc as they leave a smaller hole, and it's its better for cabnit work for same reason. Did you notice the difference in price between the 2nd fix paslode (about €530) and the 2nd fix fine paslode (€900).

[@thetallcarpenter]

@@danthechippie4439 I didn't buy the 2nd fix Paslode Dan, but I know it's more expensive than the 1st fix one😬

[@alequee]

agree about Oval nails also Brad nails 1'1/2 and every nail was punched and block plane for miters

[@tompirozek4490]

When you cut your mitres in a mitre box, oh those were the days

[@CharlieCollison]

I’ve heard your the man to learn from 👍🏻 I’ll be looking through your stuff 👌🏼

[@ukconstruction]

Well I'm a fan of yours Charlie!!

[@CJ-mj9bo]

Robin, you should do a mitre adhesive review like you did with the grab adhesive! Do you have a preferred brand? I find they vary on quality and on site when gluing up they always supply you with the cheapest! Enjoying your channel mate 👍🏻

[@jjamo5]

I grabbed the Hitachi 18 ga she's lovely absolute top job it is!

[@SteS]

Done an architrave like that recently with mitre adhesive. Don't have a chop saw so used a shooting board and a plane to get the mitres picture perfect. Was sweating buckets waltzing the architrave though over to the door jamb afraid all would go in a heap in the floor. 🕺🏻🚪

[@markb1971]

Exactly the same as I do architrave, I make a jig out of 2 hardwood stair infills and mitre bond them together offset by the margin required , forming a rebate...works well for me

[@TurinTuramber]

I agree about the nail sizes. This is relevant for me as I do everything I can on a project. if you were just priced for the chippie work, would you so much about the painter? 🤔

[@chriskelvin248]

Learned a new word today.

[@andrewwiltshire8796]

Wicked Robin another amazing video mate 👌👌

[@zrbuilder1365]

I enjoye your videos lot and always learning something awesome.please continue share your great experience . good bless you

I do just that and when on site, I'll use either a ply or celotex board and make a jig

[@bcfcespley]

Hi can you make a video about what type of filler/putty etc is best to fill nail holes and small gaps in between your cuts please.

[@matthewbirchall9344]

I've been a joiner for 20 years m8 but no where nere as good as you love your video's but also ive got be multi skilled which i hate

[@AndrewSmith-bb8sh]

Love that you take pride in your work Robin, seen a few people just wallop it on over the years!! Is that Skirting 4U in Aldridge?! I have collected a few bits from there, always fast turn around. Also Robin is that where you purchase your MDF door frames from?!

[@dlamb2840]

No you’re not, you’re not human! Your a carpentry machine!, Awesome stuff!

[@jrsuk1170]

I'm 18g most of the time now - exactly for the reasons you demonstrated. The 16g paslode is noisy, too temperamental and a bit rougher.

[@DK-ff9hp]

Hello Robin, great video. Given that the brads are primarily for positioning, have you thought of using the 23g headless pins? They leave virtually no mark. Never tried it myself but wondering if experienced folk have any thoughts.

[@wilkorogers8764]

They only good for detail that will never be touched.

[@db7948]

​@@wilkorogers8764I disagree I mostly fit prefinished hardwood architraves and use the 23 gauge along with adhesive so the fixings cant be seen.

[@WheresMyPencilUK]

Top job. If you are fitting to dodgy old linings that are all over the place I’m guessing you can’t use the picture frame method? Any tips?

[@leehalling8635]

Robin what is the 18 gauge like for fixing skirting in to stud and dabbed walls is it a good enough fixing

[@imranpatel2489]

Excellent video, like always. Can you do a video on doing architraves where the door casings not 100% square. Iv been doing a old house using softwood ogee architraves and it's been a nightmare in getting it close to perfection. Thanks

[@messenger8279]

My Paslode is the same. Has been so unreliable since the day I bought it. It's so frustrating especially if youre reaching out up a ladder. I stopped using it now and only use my Milwaukee. It's been repaired more times than it was worth. Cleaning makes no difference either.

[@peterfriel5129]

Stay Safe Robin ..

[@ksly7426]

Looking to get one of them Milwaukee pin guns

[@kpanting1]

i find a 18g Ryobi is the business

[@davidgerardgeraghty9890]

great vids as always, thanks for sharing. Have you done an MDF skirting install video, and also the same when fixing to block/plaster walls. Keep the great content coming

[@kills99ofbacteria50]

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[@kills99ofbacteria50]

Here's Robin on Skilbuilder showing how to fit mdf skirting and architrave. Enjoy. 👍

[@daviddickson7494]

Great work

[@markwilson6500]

Still can’t see what glues were being used. Can someone let me know. Ta

[@154electrician]

Hi a bit off the topic but could you use 3x2 cls for framing a man cave ? Thanks

[@handle1196]

If you have wet underfloor heating in a 55mm screed, do you need any expansion gaps under the legs or just sit them right on the floor?

[@ukconstruction]

Hi Dan, The heat from the underfloor heating will have no effect if the material is MDF, only if you have unsealed softwood that has a high moisture content when fitting might you see some shrinkage but in both cases you can hit the floor

[@anthonywhite721]

Much tinier head 😂😂😂😂 I said to my wife do you want a much tinier head or shall I get Winston to pop round 😂😂😂. Sorry robin my dirty mind took over there love the videos keep them coming fella.

[@markdunn2360]

Should you always double name architraves even with adhesive heat in room can twist Architrave of wall

[@jimdoherty5010]

Wont be much twisting with moisture resistant mdf but I agree,two rows of nails wont do any harm.

[@extinguish3538]

Do you ever find use for a 15 gauge? Cheers

[@stephenward8580]

Keep looking at the 18g Milwaukee as a replacement for my 16g paslode. The question is can I get away with just using 18g pins for 2nd fix work or do I need both 18 and 16g?

[@ukconstruction]

Hi Stephen, I reckon that as carpenters we will always have the need for the 16g especially for pinning back skirting through plasterboard with the 64mm pins, the 16g is also really useful for most smooth exterior claddings such as tongue and groove cedar or channel cladding where you can again use a 64mm stainless steel pin, the 18g really comes into its own when you are doing mouldings such as architraves and other timber to timber moulding work as the head is just really small especially useful in hardwoods, I really hope that helps mate

[@stephenward8580]

@@ukconstruction It does thank you. I have also considered a new 16g paslode for every day work and a small compressor with a 18g and 23g gun for joinery type work which tends to be in a smaller area so the portability of a battery gun isn't as important. It would also keep the costs down compared to two or three battery nailers.

[@mikehall6433]

What about Cedar cladding hidden nailing. Would 18g be too small. I've got the Milwaukee 18g gun but I'm going to be fitting come cladding to my brothers house, would you recommend using a 16g instead.

[@tonytrott353]

Make sure you use stainless in cedar. I’d go with the 16g as the cedar is quite soft.

[@mikehall6433]

@@tonytrott353 I used my mates 16g on my Garden room, I might get it off him again, still have loads of SS brads left.

[@Clicksystems]

Where do you get the MDF edge taped for door linings?

[@ukconstruction]

I get these from a a supplier called Cutwrights in south London

[@Clicksystems]

@@ukconstruction thank you :) About to start a refurb and want to install Made to measure MDF door linings. I did have a look on cut wright before but didn’t see the option for edge taping. I will contact them. Thank you :)

[@andycostin3578]

Robin great content as always we could do with you as a guest on Fix radio in our carpentry show?

[@ukconstruction]

Hi Andy, chat to Mark!!!! I'm on my way mate, we will be team mates soon!!

[@andycostin3578]

@@ukconstruction Look forward to that very much! I made the suggestion

[@andycostin3578]

@@ukconstruction my number is 07802 857585 give me a call when convenient if you fancy

[@dielauwen]

Miter Adhesive?

[@TheAces81]

Hi Rob, what length brads are using?

[@user-ts7zz6lq4x]

54mm.

[@jaydaawg.8191]

" I like to cut my legs then my heads and then have my coffee" - Hannibal Lecter.

[@nyallspurling7399]

Do you seal the bottom of the mdf where it meets the floor? I am always worried about a little bit of moisture getting there and bursting out the bottom.

[@kizzjd9578]

I put a dab of wood glue on mine. I'm a professional so it's my job to prevent any maintenance issues down the track

[@climbjay]

God that pazzy is awful. I couldn’t go back to using a gas nailer now. Aside from the delays when the gas isn’t up to temp.. the batteries are painfully old hat and the cost of gas and nails packs steered me away from Paslode years ago. I love my hitachi first fox nailer and Makita 16g. No lag. No load up. Batteries last for DAYS. Wish Metabo did battery nailers as I’ve just upgraded all my kit to Metabo and Mafell on the 10ah battery. If Metabo did nailers it would be bye bye hitachi and Makita for me. I use 16ga brads on skirts/arc as it’s not always a case of decent/straight/true walls and linings especially with older existing walls when renovating. The 16ga brads have that bit more meat on them to drive in an get a solid fixing but I do fancy adding an 18ga nailer to my kit for when the walls/stud/linings are new. The hole left behind with an 18ga is much nicer to fill/prep.

[@tracer1127]

Your not kidding I have a paslode I use for studding occasionally, I must have had it 10 years. The battery regularly jumps out and the amount of times it fails to fire after pushing the tip in is crazy. The new weapons are much better and lighter. Would never buy gas nailer again.

[@JoeFoster]

Lovely job but I’d preferred you to have taught me how to do it on my wonky 1930s place 😂

[@llamedosr7843]

Sorting fluffy MDF edges is a whole other video

[@isaacpowers368]

He has a preparation tape out on the linings so there is no fluffy mdf edges

[@jasonmussett6685]

hmm think your mitres could be tighter if u didnt glue them

[@needaman66]

Holy crap those mitres are gappy.

[@mattcartwright8272]

I thought that initially, and then thought maybe it's just the pencil lines that make it look like a gap??

[@JACKATTACKED]

👍

[@dilligaf2386]

You forgot to mention that the reason you have metered them at 45 degrees is because you put the linings in so they are square 😂😂😂

[@uttaradit2]

excellent

[@SuperWayneyb]

👍🤓👍

[@barringtonsmythe3464]

4 inch nails personally 😂😂

[@davidcollett7511]

Na, go for 6 inch galvanised, that won't budge

[@cskeise]

💙👊😎

[@peterwooldridge7285]

Jamb and quirks....just because I'm a pedantic sod

[@michaellong9115]

Good job you're not on price

[@zephyr1408]

I never will get it? (And I am a carpenter) what is up with rolling out of bed, don’t bother to shave, comb your hair , put on a set of decent work clothes and go to work? I am taking a stab at if you miss the basic obvious things you also skip brushing your teeth and wiping the sleep out of your eyes?? I mean men this is extremely appealing to your women also? They love seeing you look like a homeless derelict ? Can’t wait to kiss you? And your partners are encouraged by your upbeat attitude ? Pls ! Look good, feel good, work good! I brush my teeth, rinse my mouth out, comb my hair, put on clean matching clothes (work clothes I prefer Carhart, or Werks, Blakladder, work belt, boots, ect.,. Several customers hv told me prior contractors resembled homeless men at their door w/a note pad? Robin? What’s up? Is it an “English thing”?

[@kevinkealy682]

Ears

[@doncodman913]

OO err MRS ... Hes getting a little head . oh god so lonely at the moment.

[@JamesBond-xq3tw]

MDF ,= crap wood !

[@madcarew.3256]

Always more fixings around Bedrooms...if not..Big Row..someone storms out...slams door..Architrave falls off!!

[@jimdoherty5010]

😁😁 waste of nails I'd say as when my missus slams a door the frame usually goes with it.

[@SingleTrack66]

Paslodes. AAAAAARRRRGH.

[@ashleyrowe2681]

got rid of my paslodes, gas nailers are so terrible when cold.

[@SingleTrack66]

If you take the gas out and insert it somewhere warm for 5 minutes. 😂 I agree , hate them I’m all compressed air now. The huns are so cheap. I’ve got 16, 18, 22, first fix and a masonry nailer. Plus two staplers for not much more than one paslode and they never go wrong and fire every time.

[@ashleyrowe2681]

@@SingleTrack66 If a tool does not work when you pick it up then its not really doing its job, the amount of times i had a 9x2 timber ready and then the gun dont fire. If i went to someones home and started work but need a warm up time before i got anything done then i would not have much work :) Paslode need to improve the gas or provide a warm up gas covering in the case lol

[@russelldavis7108]

Got rid of two pasload 2nd fix gas nailers and bought the makita equivalent which has been much more reliable.

[@sally6457]

@@ashleyrowe2681 maybe you should start to respect your tools, if I left you in the cold garage all night and woke you up only when I needed you, then I wouldn't get your optimum performance?

[@ashleyrowe2681]

@@sally6457 Perhaps i should tuck them up in bed for the night ! No other tool have issues due to the cold, i will stick with the hikoki

[@shaunglendinning]

Great job! You always make it look so easy Robin!

[@jacobmcguffie]

Your tonsils will thank you for protecting their hearing :P

[@daihedral9269]

It's maybe just the way the light is catching them but those mitres don't look as tight or neat as would be expected given the exceptional levels of finish normally seen on here.

[@davetaylor4741]

Ah nail guns how they have changed the face of carpentry. I still remember some rep coming on site sometime in the early 90's trying to sell us Paslode Framing guns. We were interested until he told us the price of the nails that scared us more than the price of the gun. A few years later I am in Oz and told if you don't have nail guns you can't have a job. Now I watch British carpenters all with their nail guns. Easier for sure but another skill lost. A lot of young guys now with a hammer and nail you would be safer sitting on the head of the nail.

[@dielauwen]

I had them in the 70's in the shop.

[@davetaylor4741]

@@dielauwen They were around no doubt but yours back then would have been air I am guessing and in a workshop. The Paslode I mentioned was gas cartridge and nobody I knew onsite carried air compressors right up to the time I left in 98. Gas guns and later battery guns were in their infancy. The only one I ever saw was that Framer. When I first got to Oz every carpenter carried a compressor and had a range of guns. Now compressors gone. Gas getting less. Battery the go to.

[@tomsmith9048]

It's just a sign of the times as some people only pay a pound a meter for arch 🔨

[@ismu34]

@@davetaylor4741 I've been here over 4 years and haven't seen a single air framer

[@paulknights1764]

16 gauge for site work all day long .. unless it’s fine finish work … or private work .. skirting’s especially require 16 gauge for a good fixing . Great 👍🏼 video rob .

[@tomsmith9048]

I find that the pneumatic guns can shoot hardwood to hardwood where the battery gun lacks that little bit of punch in that particular area the f18 passlode straight is the one for me 🔨

[@charlierodgers2776]

Robin when the plaster sits proud of the lining , do you just nail the architrave and get the decorated to caulk the gap ?

[@ismu34]

I fixed it once by rabbeting the back of the architrave but it was a pain

[@thetallcarpenter]

@@ismu34 I have rebated the back of the architraves on occasion, but you can't really run the rebate all the way to the floor as it causes a step against the skirting. It generally gets caulked between the architrave and the lining. (which isn't ideal). I just get on to my plasterer keep his skim tight at the lining.👍

[@sygad1]

cutting all the heads and legs...normally i'd say...brave man, then I remember who i'm watching....you got this

[@solidus784]

That coffee must have been 50% dust

[@fordguyfordguy]

I didn't know door casing/ door moulding was called "architrave." I also didn't know door jambs were called "linings." No way in hell I'm using MDF for either one. Maybe you are in a place where they don't have quality wood molding available? MDF is shit.

[@jones7555]

is that hikoki miter saw any good?

[@kevinwestwood6668]

Having nightmares on site at the moment with the paslode gas freezing, in the cold weather, don't fire, the battery ones aren't affected by the cold weather.

[@onlineoffgrid]

Try using the paslodes in -30 in Canada , sometimes I miss the uk only sometimes lol

[@wilkinsoncarpentry6278]

Great video mate 👍

[@KenHSays]

if your using glue why aren't you nailing with an 21 gauge nailer?

[@jimdoherty5010]

Nails are not long enough to withstand any abuse the door/frame may get.

[@TheAces81]

Hi Rob. When is the 102mm hinge jig available?

[@ukconstruction]

Hi Danny, hopefully the end of this week mate

[@TheAces81]

@@ukconstruction cheers. I've got 76 mm on the way.

[@ukconstruction]

@@TheAces81 thanks Danny!!!

[@samposton9101]

Nice work mate!

[@SingleTrack66]

18 gauge every time. The painters love me.

[@Pistol_Knight]

A hole is a hole, you still have to fill it, if you use a twin pack filler makes no difference

[@tompirozek4490]

See I prefer the clamping force of the 16, like Pistol says a holes a hole

[@SingleTrack66]

@@Pistol_Knight seriously, you use a twin pack filler to fill a pin hole ? With 18 gauge it’s just a wipe with easy fill. Barely any sanding.

[@SingleTrack66]

@@tompirozek4490 a few blobs of pink grip and 18g you can’t tear it off.

[@Pistol_Knight]

@@SingleTrack66 But with twin pack paintable in 15 mins

[@davidrobertson7964]

1 1/2 brads back in the day would have a black residue from manufacture. Get your softwood manky. Pine lining that was in fashion especially. Best wee had was a damp cloth. And the brads we had to 'borrow a handfull from site containers. The galvanised ones were realy bad to work with. How times have changed! For the better!!!

[@markobrien4940]

Paslode guns can pain be a pain robin with the gas out of date or left in the van for long period and the gun if they fall slighty they give lots of issues to .could to see now that there are lots of other brands of guns now that you dont even need gas for just a battery thats charge and happy days then 😀

[@covcarpenter9158]

Iv only ever had a 16 gauge because most of the shop fitting firms will only supply 16g pins and the paslode 18g is rubbish

[@tobybeswick36]

the paslode - 'it is a nice machine though'.. until you're doing a roof in winter. I've had it so many times doing roofing where people's paslodes don't work, but the cordless dewalt 1st fix never fails

[@09conrado]

'I like to.... cut my legs, cut my head...' Sounds like you won't get much done anymore after that???

[@galvanizedgnome]

Take your shirt off bro. You'd get a million subscribers with that shredded bod.

[@johnburgess7165]

I've got a DeWalt 16g finishing nailer. (And a Framing nailer as well). Never used them yet, but have loads of DIY coming up from Stud walls through to completion of the whole of my upstairs. Yes, I'll no doubt use contractors at some point. But I want the satisfaction of having a go myself first. I enjoy it (so far 🤪) I'd prefer not to have to buy a pack of each available length (32, 38, 44, 50 & 63 mm) What lengths are best for what jobs? Like ... Door linings, architrave, skirting, etc. Thanks in advance.