CVA Cascade XT Versus Cascade SB - Does Barrel Length Matter?

[@ReviewThisThing]

Head here for more info: www.reviewthisthingtv.com/builds/cva-cascade-xt-vs-sb

[@jameswilson5562]

Good shooting barrel length matters most depending on the amount of powder and the burn rate of the powder

[@ReviewThisThing]

That's an excellent point.

[@marksummerlin976]

Remove the sling swivel studs, the gun will ride better on the bags. At 713 you can see the stud on the front not making contact with the bag. Previously it could not be seen so it may have made contact throwing the shots around. Great video.

[@ReviewThisThing]

That’s a good point. Thank you.

[@andrewreyes3061]

Yep I agree. I notice that u don't keep the gun in the same spot on the front rest consistently. Sometimes I notice your front sling stud is catching the rest. That will definitely affect accuracy and your groups. I know this from my own experiences. I always keep a 3 finger width between front sling stud and rest. Always!

[@ReviewThisThing]

@andrewreyes3061 good idea. Thank you!

[@Accuracy1st]

Another well done video. Thanks! I just watched Vortex Nation's video on budget rifles and they had a CVA Cascade as a top pic. I don't know anything about their model line up but found one online for sale at $600 new in 6.5PRC. Has a 24" barrel. I may buy it.

[@ReviewThisThing]

OH man! I have 3 CVA Cascades and love them all! Let us know what you think if you go fir it! That's a really good deal.

[@jmgates09]

Im a tikka guy but its hard to beat a CVA Cascade for a hunting rifle i have one in 6.5 prc shoots the 156 bergers from choice ammunition half inch it actually out shot a bergara wilderness i had in 6.5 prc so i traded it for a 270wsm and 7wsm

[@ReviewThisThing]

Heck yeah!

[@1Whitetail]

I was interested in the SB as to how it shot and overall pleased with the results. Where I deer hunt I don’t worry about hitting 200yds, 100 is pushing the limits here.

[@ReviewThisThing]

You’d be good to go for sure!

[@1Whitetail]

@@ReviewThisThing thanks enjoy your videos they're down to earth and just straight forward.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@@1Whitetail Thank you so much. That means a lot to us!

[@sugargoldy]

Good video thank you. I'm going to compare 2 7mm08 with the same barrel lengths as you did.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Let me know what you find out!

[@sugargoldy]

@ReviewThisThing I did do 2 of my 223S everything was exactly the same but the length of barrels one was a 20 and one was a 26 and with my reloads there was 80 feet per second differences.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@sugargoldy okay. Nice. Thanks.

[@wateroakforge]

I’ve experienced pretty similar with American Whitetail in 6.5 out of a Ruger American. It shot phenomenally well both unsuppressed and suppressed, but I find the ammo isn’t up to snuff for dropping within 100 yards. As for shooting suppressed and dealing with point of impact shift it is very common but is why having a direct mount suppressor is very important as that POI will be repeatable. But I often do keep dope on a card that reminds me of suppressed the non-suppressed zero’s. As for the inconsistency I’m not sure what the difference in barrel twist is for those guns, but I would do this minus the muzzle break on a bare muzzle and see and then see if the design of the muzzle break is also affecting POI.

[@ReviewThisThing]

That makes sense. That could be it.

[@Joe-lk6oc]

I much prefer the 22' barrel. Thanks for another great video!

[@ReviewThisThing]

Thank you for watching! It does shoot pretty well!

[@craigjentsch]

I own a CVA SB in 6.5 cm, it is deadly to 300 havent went past that. I love it

[@ReviewThisThing]

What’s your go-to round?

[@craigjentsch]

@@ReviewThisThing 143 ELDX

[@ReviewThisThing]

Good deal.

[@edwinacevedo8420]

You said it and showed it, good enough for me.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Appreciate it! Thanks for watching!

[@diggernash1]

Great video! Recoil reduction and weight changing the recoil impulse/direction can also tighten groups, but the barrel harmonics are certainly changed. The bullet is "in the air" after it leaves the barrel so the suppressor shouldn't be adding any stability. Perhaps it is slightly helping the way the excess gas escapes, but seems like that would have very little effect.

[@ReviewThisThing]

That makes sense. I think it’s the ammo and the harmonics.

[@danielbell4007]

I’ve read and heard that suppressors can improve bullet stability by reducing turbulence of the gasses as they come out of the barrel with the bullet. I’m not sure how accurate (no pun intended) that information is, but it kinda makes sense.

[@ReviewThisThing]

I could see that.

[@rustyshackleford2723]

Do you like the 7mm/08? Seems to have a lot positives. I prefer to buy ammo off the shelf, not reload.

[@ReviewThisThing]

That’s one I don’t have much experience with.

[@poorthingproductions]

Very interesting video. Always enjoy y’all’s content

[@ReviewThisThing]

Thank you so much. That means a lot.

[@usafret4709]

1) In my experience, suppressors always bring the POI lower. 2) I have noticed I shoot better with a suppressor due to the lack of noise concussion. I seem to be able to focus more on my shots. That may have tightened your groups up.

[@ReviewThisThing]

That’s definitely possible. Thank you.

[@fattigla]

A full size rifle silencer will very often change POI. As for the strange impacts with the SB model, I would shoot more groups, with no suppressor, at 100 yards. Like a 10 round, slowly fired group. See if it opens up. Also, it is harder to shoot groups at 200yrds, some of the accuracy issues may have just been a little shooter error combine with the rifle maybe not liking the ammo as much.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Thank you for your help. And, thanks for watching!

[@Hatch61]

They both look like nice rifles. Harmonics would only cause a small fractions of an inch variance. I would think the ammunition is a more likely the culprit. Thanks for sharing your results. Very interested in more on that Garmin unit. Be well my friends.

[@ReviewThisThing]

I tend to agree.

[@vashmatrix5769]

Cool caliber but was unobtainium in the ammo shortage.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Very true.

[@Snailz5]

There’s too many variables to say it’s one thing or another, but it definitely is NOT the barrel length affecting accuracy. Check the torque on everything, reconfirm the scopes are aligned properly and add a bubble level to both. I think you blame errant shots on you pulling too often and I don’t think that’s the case. You shoot enough and are in a stable enough setup that you’ll if a shot broke poorly. It is however very easy to shoot with inconsistent cant on your rifle and it can be easy to miss until you start shooting with a level and get a strong feel for how tilted the reticle should look to your eye when mounted properly to you. After all that, shoot a 10 shot group at 100 and see if the tweaks fixed it or if it’s just a load that particular gun hates. If the gun hates it then it was just a matter of crappy groups getting crappier at long range and the 3 shot group at 100 was just an unfortunate bit of good grouping luck.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Awesome info! Thank you.

[@nikos6220]

Erratic POI on the shorty that miraculously fixed itself with the suppressor to a way lower but consistent POI 🤔. My bets are on your comp got loose

[@ReviewThisThing]

Could be. I think I checked it but may not have. Good point.

[@JeffBush-sw8yk]

Short barrels are typically more accurate because it’s stiffer.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Hm. Okay. Thanks.

[@justflylow]

How tight you have the muzzle device can make a difference. I think Eric Cortina did a demonstration on this.

[@ReviewThisThing]

This one is just hand tightened. We’ll check it out.

[@justflylow]

@@ReviewThisThing I think a issue happens if you over tighten it. Hand tight should not be a problem.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@justflylow 👍🏻👍🏻

[@jacobkrakauer6954]

Been waiting for this Vid

[@ReviewThisThing]

What did you think?

[@224valk4]

I just ordered a CVA CASCADE in 223 with the 18" barrel. I will put a can on, so don't want excessive length! It's only going to be a pdog gun

[@ReviewThisThing]

That’s gonna be so much fun.

[@224valk4]

@ReviewThisThing I hope with the 1/9 twist I can get 30-- 40 grain projectiles as fast as possible & not blow up?? I can get 50gr vmax & blitzkings up to 3465 avg in my 224 valkyries with 1/6.5 twist!! I love working up loads on the bench!! Been doing it for decades,I'll find some loads that work!!

[@ReviewThisThing]

@224valk4 that sounds fun!

[@davidreed6779]

Had to be the Harmonics. There is no rifling in the suppressor so that wouldn't affect the bullet. Of course the extra weight of the suppressor made it shoot lower.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Makes sense

[@TherealBartcephus]

I may have missed it being said but did yall sight it in again after being high at 100?

[@ReviewThisThing]

We did. I mentioned it pretty quickly.

[@erniecummings9255]

Was your twist the same on both rifles

[@ReviewThisThing]

Yep

[@cousinstu]

Good info. For hunting I'm trying to get as much portability as I can without sacrificing accuracy. I still have a hard time getting my head around a 18" barrel. Maybe 308win would be ok, but not 6.5 creedmoor??? Feels like the shortest I'd go is 22", But Idk. A lot to consider. No suppressor in my consideration, I live in NY. Heck, I've even dabbled with the idea of a single shot cva, seems like a nice scout/brush gun in the woods and maybe 100 yards from a stand.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Just get both 😁. There are a lot of factors to consider. Let us know what you go with.

[@DouglasPrice-p9q]

... I was thinking that the scope had loose base/scope ring screws on the gun with the wandering POI???

[@ReviewThisThing]

We checked that - all was good.

[@roblindberg9339]

Great video!!! Where you located at?

[@ReviewThisThing]

Thank you! We’re in NC.

[@1Whitetail]

Just watched this video again... and still haven't figured out why the SB shot that way 🤔 wondering if you figured it out yet ? Also have you done a review on the 350 Legend for accuracy? I may have missed it so just asking. What state do you all mainly hunt in ?

[@ReviewThisThing]

We haven’t figured it out. Haven’t shot it again. Also haven’t tried a 350 Legend, but I think I’d like to. We mainly hunt in NC and MO, so we don’t really “need” it. But, it sure would be fun to shoot!

[@1Whitetail]

@@ReviewThisThing yes it would, been thinking about one but .... don't really need one now that I cut Ohio out. Always used my muzzleloader there anyway. Good luck this year.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Thank you! You, too!

[@johnandrosemarywyatt977]

Did you check the action screws? Also, not all muzzle brakes are equal. You might try the xt muzzle brake on the sb.

[@ReviewThisThing]

We did check the scope and screws. You're right about the brake. And, the ammo, of course could be an issue, too. Thanks so much!

[@johnandrosemarywyatt977]

@@ReviewThisThing I mean where the stock is screwd to the action.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@@johnandrosemarywyatt977 Oh, sorry - you did say that. I don't believe we checked that during this test. We might need to do that again.

[@chanceengel3331]

I have the same cascade SB in .308. I have similar results. What I concluded was the barrel twist is 1/10 and the gun shoots light rounds very poorly. I have to shoot 200+ grain ammo to get the gun to shoot sub MOA

[@ReviewThisThing]

That’s good to know.

[@KellyBrown-j9q]

What camera system you use for target shooting So review on camera that use

[@ReviewThisThing]

Well, it’s this kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKLVhXyNiJZ2b7Msi=-snW1I_HvJTDuXGT BUT, Tactacam doesn’t make them any more. Which is unfortunate, because we love it.

[@joejas22]

If I say anything it would be just a guess. But at 200 with that bullet and that supressor….you found everything you need to have a successful hunt. Happy Hunting…nice lady.

[@ReviewThisThing]

That sure seems to be the case! Thank you!

[@DR91_]

Awesome video! I have been having a super hard time picking between the CVA cascade and the ruger American gen 2 for 350 legend. Do yall have any thoughts?

[@ReviewThisThing]

Oh man. That’s a tough one. I love a Cascade! Haven’t shot the Ruger Gen 2 yet, but compared to Gen 1 I’d pick the Cascade all day.

[@DR91_]

@@ReviewThisThing Thanks for the reply!! Out of sheer curiosity, are y’all planning on doing a Ruger Gen 2 review?

[@ReviewThisThing]

@DR91_ I’d love to, but it won’t be this year. We’ve got 4 other rifles on the way 😁

[@DR91_]

@@ReviewThisThing That’s alright! Looking forward to the content, thanks for the help!!

[@ReviewThisThing]

@DR91_ good luck! Let us know wow what you decide.

[@barneygo2010]

We can be friends! Subscribed. I love your style / approach! Peace Be The Journey!

[@ReviewThisThing]

😁😁 Sounds good. Thank you!

[@Longtrailside]

Some like em long, some like em short. Just depends on what you need to get the job done. As long as you know enough about balistics and powder burn and not just go off what the box says. You'll be fine. Known a few hunters that have 2 rifle same caliber. One short barrel for heavy mounain brush, and shots under 200, and a long barreled rifle, for long shots, or to get the most power out of that cartridge for larger game.

[@ReviewThisThing]

That’s it. That sounds about perfect!

[@mikedolqueist1130]

I do belive That the angled stock on your rear rest is dropping slightly with the recoil. This is magnifed at longer distance. With the suppressor reducing recoil and rearward stock movement there's less muzzle rise and movement. That's why most rifles shoot better groups suppressed. Maybe ?

[@ReviewThisThing]

Sounds like a feasible reason. Thanks.

[@JoeShenanigans]

Yes, barrel length matters. The question is, what length do you need for your intended purpose.

[@ReviewThisThing]

There ya go. That’s a great point.

[@JoeShenanigans]

@ReviewThisThing I'm sure you made a video about this already, but I am new here.

[@ReviewThisThing]

You’re good! Welcome! 😊

[@pikeman0357]

Very good but do you measure the solid barrel or the brake also for total lengh

[@ReviewThisThing]

We were going by the barrel.

[@pikeman0357]

Ok thank you 👍

[@ReviewThisThing]

@pikeman0357 yep!

[@GhostRider-kw7zi]

Ma'am, on that SB version, does it come stock with the picatinny rail or is that an aftermarket rail? Thank you for your time. Great video!

[@ReviewThisThing]

Hey! It’s the aftermarket 30 MOA SA rail.

[@GhostRider-kw7zi]

@@ReviewThisThing Thank you. Did the rail come pre-installed or did the rifle come with the two piece base installed from the factory? Thanks again.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Sorry - that should say 20 MOA!

[@ReviewThisThing]

It came with the 2-piece. We switched them out.

[@GhostRider-kw7zi]

@@ReviewThisThing Got it. Thank you again. I know what part to purchase now. Have a good week.

[@GhostRider-kw7zi]

What kind of muzzle brake is that on the short version?

[@ReviewThisThing]

It’s a radial brake off a Bergara Ridge

[@GhostRider-kw7zi]

@@ReviewThisThing Thank you ma'am.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@GhostRider-kw7zi you bet

[@eggbert191]

It's acting like the action screws are loose. Also make sure the recoil lug is seated properly by standing tge rifle on tge butt pad when you torque the action screws. Check tgem with a wheeler fat wrench torque wrench. Also check the scope rail and rings. Next check to make sure the muzzle brake is tight. It shouldn't be shooting all over the place like that. The thinner your barrel the more point of impact shift you'll get from a suppressor changing the barrel harmonics. If everything checks out then id try a different scope just to confirm that's not the problem

[@ReviewThisThing]

We’ll do that. Thank you!

[@walterthompson7619]

Its your recoil The hunting stock is not flat on bottom On recoil your rifle is dropping at your shouder causing your barrel to rise whitch makes your impact higher The suppressor has a lot less effect mostly because of extra length to your barrel

[@ReviewThisThing]

I’ll have to pay attention to that!

[@justflylow]

What are you doing to your hearing protection after each shot. You reach up to it, are you turning it on?

[@ReviewThisThing]

No. It’s just a habit I have of making sure it’s still snug. It always is, so I don’t know why I do it 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@justflylow]

@@ReviewThisThing you must still be liking those hearing devices? I saw your video on them and I purchased a set as well. But I have not received them yet. I’m anxiously awaiting hopefully within the next week to 10 days.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@@justflylow Oh wow! Yes, I do. I hope you love them. Like we said in the video, take full advantage of that warranty/test period and make sure you love them and everything about them! They'll take care of you.

[@justflylow]

@@ReviewThisThing they seemed really great to work with when I talk to them on the phone. I plan on using them a lot.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@justflylow I’ll be interested to hear.

[@kitsune4635]

@reviewthisthing - how does the bolt action compare between the Bergara B-14 and the Cascade? You make very helpful videos by the way!!

[@ReviewThisThing]

Why thank you. With some cleaning and lubing the Cascade is almost as smooth as the Ridge. Did you get a chance to watch the Cascade review from a couple of years ago?

[@kitsune4635]

@@ReviewThisThing If you mean the original Cascade review then yes.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@kitsune4635 yep

[@kitsune4635]

@@ReviewThisThing Went with a used CVA Cascade SB for $450. You were right the bolt is very close to the Bergara. Thank you so much for all your help!!

[@ReviewThisThing]

@kitsune4635 heck yeah! Let me know how it shoots!

[@DouglasPrice-p9q]

... sure wish I could afford one of those Garmin chronies

[@ReviewThisThing]

It is pretty doggone amazing.

[@DouglasPrice-p9q]

@@ReviewThisThing ... I will fess up and admit that I shot 3 conventional chronographs to "death" in the past 10 years that "somehow" got in the line of fire ... the new Garmin unit apparently can do its job WITHOUT being in harms way ... I will definitely get one when my financial circumstances permit

[@ReviewThisThing]

@user-po9hy9th7w 🤣 our review of it is coming next week! You’ll love it.

[@DouglasPrice-p9q]

@@ReviewThisThing ... looking forward to it

[@ReviewThisThing]

@user-po9hy9th7w 😆

[@dougchandler1248]

My guess when point of impact changes like that, you have a scope or a mount issue.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Nope - we checked it. All solid!

[@bpomes100]

While shooting with the muzzle brake, weren’t you aiming at the bottom target at 100 and hitting the top target, then went to 200 and aimed at the top target and hit the top target? If that’s the case the bullet was dropping several inches at 200….I’d shoot it suppressed at 100 to make sure your drop matches your calculation at 200.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Yes - but then we sighted it in so it was zeroed at 100 before shooting at 200. But, need to shoot again

[@randallflores-qr8cs]

It seems like something might be loose.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Nope - we checked it. It was just that crazy with that load.

[@mr.mr.3301]

22” unsuppressed. 16-18 suppressed.

[@ReviewThisThing]

I'm with you.

[@mr.mr.3301]

@@ReviewThisThing what I’m curious about is the velocity changes in projectile weight. For example. 130.150,165180. I wonder if somewhere affected more than others.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@mr.mr.3301 oooh. That’s a good one.

[@mr.mr.3301]

@@ReviewThisThing I know a lot are liking the 130gn Barnes ttsx in short barrels.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@mr.mr.3301 we did a test with this gun a while back but didn’t have those in it. alnk.to/7X4BJgE

[@conradsmith6037]

I have the 6.5 sb. It loves 140 gr 129 gr does not group well for me

[@ReviewThisThing]

Ah. Thank you.

[@davidreed6779]

Harmonics

[@ReviewThisThing]

👍🏻👍🏻

[@jmartin9059]

*Does PARALLAX matter ?*

[@ReviewThisThing]

Yes. I’ve definitely found that it can. These scopes don’t have adjustments for it.

[@corporalpunish6089]

I asked my wife if barrel length matters, she said it does if you really want to reach out there. What do you think she meant?

[@ReviewThisThing]

She knows.

[@n2trkys18]

Barrel length matters for handiness. The barrel length has nothing to do with accuracy.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Hmmm. Okay. A different take than most, but interesting.

[@n2trkys18]

@@ReviewThisThing Not really. A shorter barrel is great for treestands, shooting houses, and back country hunts. There not being an accuracy difference in barrel length is a known fact. I love my 20” barreled rifles more than my 24” barreled ones. I have a 24” barreled 6.5 Creedmoor and get 2800 fps with 140 grain Accubonds. I load for a buddy’s 6.5 Creedmoor and get 2900 fps with 130 Gamechangers from a 20” barrel.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@n2trkys18 nice! Good to know.

[@Joe-lk6oc]

I do not like any suppressor on my rifles. Nope, none. Especially on a hunting rifle.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Really? I love shooting suppressed!

[@flynnryder7798]

What don’t you like about them? I just bought my first suppressor. I haven’t received it yet and have not shot one, interested to hear why you don’t like them

[@ReviewThisThing]

@flynnryder7798 me too

[@Joe-lk6oc]

@@flynnryder7798 I really dislike the "coke can" size on the end of the barrel. The back pressure and carbon buildup also isn't something I like about them. For a hunting rife, they are definitely not needed. It also changes the barrel harmonics and adds weight.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@Joe-lk6oc I could see that. I love it.

[@brandonjett16]

Those hornadys at over 1 moa out of your 100 yard sight ins are horrible u want smaller 3 shot groups out those hunting rifles at a hundred yards. It's not a tack rifle made expensively for prs match shooting but those cvas should be happier with some other loading

[@brandonjett16]

Those hundred yard sight ins for the 200 yard shooting is not wat I would have for my sight in. Dead center or half to a inch high of bulls eye

[@brandonjett16]

Your SD if it's increasing ur bullets will spread more lower SD less spread ur garmin has it in the center of screen

[@brandonjett16]

I always use my ballistics calculator with my details like chronograph speed barrel length yardage to get more of an idea down range

[@ReviewThisThing]

You're right. I would definitely want a much better group for the round I'm hunting with. I was surprised that we got those groups, though, because this round hasn't been one of the better performers. We just have quite a bit of it, so we need to shoot it - I think I mentioned that.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@@brandonjett16 For hunting - nope. For the purposes of this video, though, we were good.

[@chuckydubree1925]

Probably bad scope ,

[@ReviewThisThing]

We checked it. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@dvskane1808]

Worst ammo ever, go with federal terminal ascent 175 grn.

[@ReviewThisThing]

We do love some Federal!

[@pe.bo.5038]

Sory!Nothing short of a convoluted mess!

[@ReviewThisThing]

👍🏻

[@liverpool6380]

🫡

[@ReviewThisThing]

😊

[@TheEquestriancolt]

You would need to shoot some different ammo, or precise ammo to see if there is a difference.

[@ReviewThisThing]

Absolutely! Our initial focus was on just looking at speeds and drop, so we went with a load we have plenty of. It would be interesting to see it with different loads.

[@TheEquestriancolt]

@@ReviewThisThing You know what surprises me? is the ammo available off the shelf to hunt with you would think would be as accurate as possible since it possibly will be used for hunting to Kill an ANIMAL in which we do not want to suffer and want it to be a clean fast kill, Yet they give us very inaccurate anmo and charge an arm and a leg for precision/MATCH GRADE AMMO they CONSIDER to be TARGET AMMO.

[@ReviewThisThing]

@@TheEquestriancolt You're definitely not wrong about that.