Cyberpunk 2077 PC Tested On Xbox One CPU... And It Works!

[@lukewarm808]

Id love to see some of the pc ports of playstation 4 games running on this chip, I think thatd be cool just for curiosity's sake

[@vince207]

Would work, ps4 and Xbox one chip are same cpu architecture ...

[@lukewarm808]

Oh yeah I know that

[@ocaradovideoehbixa]

It would fuel console wars and it wouldnt be a good representation of how those PS4 games would run on thr Xbox. Because on the Xbox, those games would be optmized for the console, without going through Windows and etc, so performance would be better. I get your point, but wouldnt be worth it

[@SMGJohn]

Sony exclusives that are made onto the PC are surprisingly well optimised LOL.

[@saiyannegi]

@Lov Mir dont over exaggerate

[@dookie_12]

Richard puts all his skill points on TECH, but he still has plenty of COOL.

[@WheeledHamster]

Cool, what stupid idiot at CDPR thought of that Stats, could just called it stealth like normal people.

[@tmorelli1982]

+82 speech impediment

[@FeeLtheHertZ]

Now that’s pretty chill

[@R.B.]

@@WheeledHamster charisma has been around pretty much from the beginning of RPG games. Not sure which game was first, but for probably close to 50 years at this point. CDPR was not close to being first at all.

[@Aggrofool]

@@WheeledHamster Cool has been core part of the Cyberpunk table-top since forever. A quick google will tell you that.

[@zechariahhart2506]

I bet he is the one who bought cyberpunks code.

[@tarsan894]

no lie

[@OneWildEye]

Lolz

[@Xilent1]

So, what did they ever do other than sell the code? Seems pointless! Not worth risking jail.........Who am I kidding, no one goes to jail for that right?

[@OneWildEye]

CDPr inside PR job

[@Threewlz]

Just for the sake of the *F U L L F A T E X P E R I E N C E*

[@leoz96]

This is damn interesting, a real piece of history

[@sean7332]

Kinda pointless though as it can't happen lol

[@liaminwales]

@@sean7332 well we get to see xbox V windows performance on same hardware i gess kind of fun to see

[@stewardappiagyei6982]

Game developers are literally wizards to have been able to make games like Gears 5, Forza Horizon 4 and Red Dead Redemption 2 run with anything even approaching decent graphics settings on this SOC (and the PS4's). Big kudos to them.

[@OpenWorldGamer-]

red dead 2 and last of part 2 are the biggest highlights

[@kylixion_6359]

And seeing as how this cpu runs at sub q6600 performance, it's just astounding that they got games working on this chip, AS WELL as an os running in the background. Pretty impressive

[@MaxIronsThird]

@@kylixion_6359 Rich said the Q6600 would probably be better if highly overclocked.

[@kylixion_6359]

@@MaxIronsThird I don't doubt it, I bet you just tape mod a q6600 and it would spit out better performance that this "8 Core" trainwreck. Game development is crazy

[@mandmeneer4207]

Could you just imagine the things they'll be able to do on next gen hardware?! The future is looking bright

[@XxUltimateGodzXx]

Seriously, these devs who squeezed all of that power from the jaguar chip should be put in a hall of fame. Just looks at ghosts of tsushima on base ps4, horizon zero dawn on base ps4, spider man, gears of war, halo 5 and so much more. It also speaks to the even lower level vulkan like API that is used, pretty much almost bare metal, which is what it takes to get these punching above their weight BY AT LOT, my raspberry pi 4b has just a slightly higher clock speed as the Xbox one...1.8ghz. Seriously, if you're reading this from Sony or Microsoft and any devs who achieved these beautiful games that brought us many hours of fun, I'm not religious but bless you. I deal with higher level programming, nothing of the low level, just bare metal these people have to painfully account for. Just the optimization alone...... makes you proud to be the same species as the people who can do that.

[@Fastwalker27]

I just realized that the CPU of my midrange phone from 2019 is miles ahead of that of PS4 and Xbox one, and those who claimed that the Cell cpu in the PS3 is more powerful than that of the PS4 were probably right

[@stuffandthangs2595]

You forgot the most impressive game. The Last of Us Part II.

[@張彥暉-v8p]

@@stuffandthangs2595 Impressive in a bad way to me.

[@divinitymode9364]

Hallelujah to that. Coding is king. Always. Sadly consoles are the only place left where the potential of the tech is maximised and beyond. The relentless iterations in the phone and PC space leaves so much hardware potential forever untapped and wasted. It’s just more brute force every six months. It simply shouldn’t be possible to make a God of War on PS4 or a Forza Horizon 4 on Xbox. But they did. Truly amazing. Coding is an art form and API’s make it all possible :)

[@julien2231]

@@張彥暉-v8p oh is it still 2020?

[@aroberts3213]

Honestly. this just makes console optimization look more impressive.

[@mbsfaridi]

@Zane White Thats a API change whole both of the new console have hardware dedicated to I/O. Nvidia is looking to be the first bring it to PC.

[@FrogsterLP]

@Lov Mir You do realize that outside of prototyping most IO work is handled by ASICs and is not processed on generell purpose Hardware ? GPUs are using compression for the datastream coming from the V-Ram since many years. Its currently unclear if the current embedded ASICs for memory decompression can be used for RTX IO or if it will need further improvements in Hardware.

[@marcos1669]

This is like PC archeology, one of the most interesting Digital Foundry videos ever, we need more testing of this CPU

[@WamblyHades]

Pls do more videos with this CPU, it would be cool to se Battlefield V or Warzone running on it.

[@MrChewy97]

That would be interesting, since Warzone runs like trash on 4 core pc cpus even though they are miles faster than a jaguar cpu.

[@00Clive00]

Crazy, I was CPU bottlenecked running a 3770k at 4.3 and a gtx 1070. Terrible PC optimization when you consider the console CPU's!

[@StinCrucing]

@Cloned Coon more like 6.5 cores with 5.5 gb memory

[@MarioTainaka]

As usual Richard delivers more madness. This was an amazing video. I've always been curious about this. Please test more games and general OS performance

[@siddharth846]

The devs at Id software are the real magicians.

[@no-barknoonan1335]

@Alex Sonne No one has a perfect track record over such a long run, but ID has done a pretty damn good job. Rage 2 is not good, but there's been way worse disasters.

[@yancgc5098]

@Alex Sonne ID Software didn’t make Rage 2 tho

[@MyReksio]

@@yancgc5098: They implemented shooting mechanics from new DOOM's only, actually :P

[@iconofsin4578]

Doom 2 Hell on earth!!

[@siddharth846]

@@MyReksio oh that's why i loved the shooting in rage 2(abilities were also great) everything else was average.

[@Kennykazey]

"Man, this interface is clearly very tight!" - Richard, 2021

[@PithyGamingClips]

Richard is a man of culture. 😉

[@morpheussomnus1292]

╮(. ❛ ᴗ ❛.)╭

[@alihouadef5539]

These are impressive performance results ! I expected it to run below 30 FPS.

[@alexparkish]

Still waiting for your E3 Watch dogs demo story, I'm dying to know what the demo was running on!

[@woidmoasta4673]

Yea pls

[@AyUniz]

Tech Ninja on a NASA computer

[@woidmoasta4673]

On modern hadware it would be possible (raytracing,global illumiation usw.)

[@DripDripDrip69]

Disney's render farm

[@darktempest53]

Two PS4s

[@esbeekay]

This guy is why I’m not scared at all to get older I’m already 38 but this dude shows it doesn’t matter how old you are, you can do whatever you want. I’m not saying he is ancient but you don’t equate a man of his age with video games He clearly is smarter than he ever was, and truly knows his shit. I hope I’m this sharp the older I get

[@tobzdaman619]

God bless you Rich, this is amazing and interesting!

[@Leap623]

It's really cool to get proper access to this tech after all this time; I know other channels have done vids already, but this is definitely one of the better ones. Would be cool to see more stuff from this down the line.

[@cactoidpinata]

Thanks Richard, this was an interesting comparison. Keep up the great work.

[@divinitymode9364]

One of your best ever pieces, Rich. Fascinating and brilliantly done. Hats off.

[@ZantetsukenGilgamesh]

The zombie SoC that gimped development of many games just won't die.

[@hightiernub1313]

LMAO.

[@PixelatedWolf2077]

Ironically

[@dan_loup]

Cell/Xenon were worse. They were designed to be absolutely horrible at everything common CPUs do well, and be very good at things common CPUs were not (until AVX extensions at least). Engines made for those CPUs suffer to run on PS4/Xbone and switch. WiiU got it even worse because it had no SIMD capabilities whatsoever, so it's floating point performance was 1/4 of a regular CPU of the time.

[@cupidknewrap]

@@dan_loup Cell could have been great if the industry had changed the way many experts were prophecising, in line with scientific/engineering code. Like iD with megatextures Sony chose the wrong version of the future to back. Nintendo were just being as tight as possible with money and sticking architectures they knew well.

[@dan_loup]

@@cupidknewrap Not really. Cell was just a poor reinvention of a GPU with TERRIBLE conditional branching performance. It was everything wrong with the pentium 4, but cranked to 11. It's the end results of following the "gigaflops" over everything else.

[@mage0killer]

I love the concept of an APU. Here's hoping DDR5 brings enough bandwidth to make it happen. Small form factor PCs are sexy.

[@rixzin5046]

I'd be interested to see how it performs in other games like destiny 2 and titanfall 2 etc. You should definitely test games with 30 fps caps on console to see how much overhead there was.

[@danielbadger4985]

I would like to see the same thing myself. Wonder how many games would hit 60 fps?? It's worth a look.

[@Azraleee]

Destiny 2 on PC is a giant mess right now in terms of performance. They screwed something up in the Beyond Light Update and it hits all GPUs pretty badly. Some areas can run below 60 FPS at 1080p on a 5800X with an RX 6800.

[@FazedInferno]

THIS^

[@kvendy]

@@Azraleee I had the same problem, until I realised in Windows performance panel was at save mode. Destiny one of the games get effected by the power plans, that wasn't a thing before beyond light DLC

[@Azraleee]

@@kvendy Wait what?

[@sappho5988]

That’s must have been a fun project.. love the vid..

[@ArSj68]

So much effort had gone into making this video. Absolutely amazing job. kodus to Digital Foundry.

[@tushardashora6376]

Last gen AMD: we have plenty of chips and people are selling them in different ways. Next gen AMD : we don't have enough chips

[@ajaakola2]

No one got silicon :(

[@outsideredge]

You hit the nail on the head at the end. The Jaguar architecture was really the only choice Microsoft and Sony had at the time of designing the XB1 and PS4. And despite that, we got the Doom games, Halo, Horizon Zero Dawn, Spider-Man, God of War, Gears of War, Grand Theft Auto 5, The Last of Us Part 2, Fortnite, COD, etc. I'm glad that new machines have modern architecture, but it does go to show you that oftentimes the best thinking is done inside a box.

[@joesomebody1278]

Love the video! Never thought I'd see something like this show up.

[@KH-fv3vq]

Richard is always delivering some sophisticated words

[@lukiekeyz]

Combat music from cyberpunk in the background giving me flashbacks 😆😆😆. Sucks what happened to them with the hack. So much potential here.

[@MBL666UK]

Not ideal for CDPR but I still have faith for this amazing game. The next couple of patches so at lest make the game playable on those last gen consoles ...... and they can spend the rest of the year polishing everything up for that next gen release on PS5 XSX.

[@COHOFSohamSengupta]

@@MBL666UK 1.1 PC pretty much without any bugs, but how on earth they released & marketed this game as next gen open world is BEYOND MY UNDERSTANDING. Core game elements & RPG mechanics are poorly designed

[@Valhura77]

@@MBL666UK I played 3 hours of CP77 last night on XSX because live was down, and I was surprised how good it is I had a couple of cases where npc clip geometry but other than that the games is so cool and some of the best visuals I have ever seen in a game, it's such a shame they released this on last gen consoles

[@melxb]

@@Valhura77 but the world sucks and is static is the main problem

[@cac0d3mon]

and thats the same as it was in the witcher 3, yet we all love that game. this game aint trying to be some sandbox open world game, never really was :)

[@pvtcmyers87]

Dang that was interesting. Please benchmark the cpu like you normally would! That way we can completely see just how bad this thing is. :)

[@tmorelli1982]

Exactly, but they don't want to do that for a reason.

[@nighttimestalker]

They did

[@BIGNOIDS]

I hear the photo mode is excellent.

[@MaxLebled]

Anandtech has done this

[@gingerd2098]

@@nighttimestalker Yeah but like, who has time to actually watch the video before commenting about it's inadequacies? :-P

[@simulify8726]

It's been only more than 2 months since Cyberpunk 2077 was released and I have already forgotten that this game even *exists*

[@simulify8726]

@Vidhal Bisaws Um. Sorry man. But I am talking about something else. You are on the wrong side of the conversation

[@simulify8726]

@A World Under A Spell He's probably a bot

[@aL3891_]

the fact that this thing even exist is so weird :D

[@SefJamReviews]

"did you really just say hither to unheard of?" - Probably Tony Stark if he saw this Great vid as usual!

[@vintatsh]

The CPU in the new machines is what gets me really excited for this generation. Seems pretty crazy to me just how much more potential the Ryzen cores must offer in terms of game development. Maybe there will finally be a focus again on AI, simulation and physics instead of just resolution and graphics fidelity.

[@lordbezzington8435]

Here's hoping too! Games need better immersion

[@Totone56]

Agreed, 100%. The game i'm personally waiting for is Halo Infinite. Seen the emphasis Bungie put towards the "sandbox" and it's physics simulation affecting every single part of the game in the first trilogy, and the fact that 343 states their goal is to reproduce that, but scaled up with today's hardware, gives me a lot of hope for something unique. Wait and see.

[@daweitao2668]

@@Totone56 That game has to run at 60fps on Xbox One though so the game is fundamentally limited by that CPU so I'm not expecting miracles in that regard. Cross Gen can push the graphics on newer systems but I think only next gen only games can make genuine large steps in AI and physics etc. Still really looking forward to Halo though.

[@darkwolf1739]

Didn't gamers nexus compare 120fps mode to a 1060-1070ti or so with a r3 3300? Comparing the tests to it trying to run 4k and the results are quite a bit better. I think this gen probably has some cpu bottlenecks so I don't expect much

[@daweitao2668]

@@darkwolf1739 If properly programmed for the console CPUs offer a lot more power than the r3 3300. The GPUs too vs what you listed. I watched that GN video, the data was interesting but the conclusion very odd I thought.

[@ToxMod]

You really dissected this one Rich.

[@LightningIguana]

Richard really earned my upvote when he plugged the GPU into the m.2 port 👍

[@UnwantedSelf]

The board I got was DOA sadly, still looks good on my shelf.

[@Tyler-gv6zf]

That’s depressing :( I feel for you

[@nicekeyboardalan6972]

Send it back lmao

[@CasualGamers]

If you get RAM up to 2133 the performance difference would likely to be pretty minor.

[@yellowblanka6058]

I highly doubt a RAM frequency bump alone would obviate the difference between a shared pool of memory/lower-level libraries and needing to transfer from RAM to VRAM and deal with Windows bloat.

[@helloguy8934]

@@yellowblanka6058 It may bring it pretty close. Also I don't think windows bloat is that bad. Both consoles lose 2 cores due to them being dedicated to os tasks. And it's not like assets couldn't be transferred directly to vram.

[@tedbybolf4616]

@@yellowblanka6058 xbox and windows is pretty similar os but the bloat is one of the problems. What is the problem on this system is that a lot of cache is disabled. And that the bios is very f***ed up on this board. I believe that a BIOS mod that would fix the board init and firmware drivers would make this actually better than xbox.

[@tedbybolf4616]

You can't get the RAM to that speed because the chipset and ddr3 controler is somehow broken on this board.

[@yellowblanka6058]

@@tedbybolf4616 I think that's the difference between an open, general purpose OS and an OS designed for a walled-garden console with a very specific use-case.

[@jesseomollo9405]

Could you guys revisit horizon zero dawn on PC, especially now after all the updates...

[@ivofixzone6410]

Yes, I was wondering the same. It's better than those retro play videos nobody is interested in.

[@agentsmith6161]

@@ivofixzone6410 Different tastes.Don't generalize.

[@linhza501]

@@ivofixzone6410 they have thousands of views. Your single opinion means nothing

[@pixeljauntvr7774]

@@ivofixzone6410 Swing and a miss. I love those retro videos.

[@undead2481]

@@ivofixzone6410 Just because you're not a fan of them doesn't mean everyone agrees with you. I personally like them, it's a blast from the past it's really cool to see where we started at.

[@LAG09]

Explains how the Switch with it's Cortex A53 cores can punch so much above it's weight. Those A53s are efficiency cores, dead simple nearly totally in-order (higher end has been out-of-order since the original Pentium) meant for cheap and low power uses like low-end smartphones.

[@ogrdnv]

Switch has A57 cores, which are 3-wide OoO CPUs with actually quite high performance per mhz - the A57 core has slightly higher performance per cycle than Jaguar cores.

[@archetype6351]

@@ogrdnv Unfortunately, only 3 of the 4 cores available can be used in games. I obviously understand the importance of reserving some processing power for the proper functioning of the os, but seeing how seemingly "barebones" the Switch's os can look at times, I don't know if locking an entire core makes sense. Also, the Tegra X1 on paper should have 8 cores, the higher performance A57 cluster you mentioned and the A53s op is talking about. Do you happen to know if the A53s are present in the die and disabled, or if they are simply not there? It would have made sense to keep them and use them for the OS instead, given their low power nature I don't think battery or heat would have been an issue.

[@Fastwalker27]

My 2 year old phone with 4 A53s and 4 A73s : Pathetic

[@ogrdnv]

@@archetype6351 These A53 cores were never used and were removed when the chip was shrunk to 16 nm tech process. Mobile devices are always power constrained and handheld consoles are even more so, so I guess the 4th core was left for OS because of power limitations in the first place.

[@ogrdnv]

@@Fastwalker27 Yes, modern ARM cores, such as X1, have actually higher ILP than even desktop parts.

[@williampinnock2256]

That's a hell of a lot of effort to show that Cyberpunk needs cutting edge hardware to run. :)

[@Razbewy]

No... the point is the greed on cd projekt red management to decide to release this game on older gen console hardware. Medium PC will run it fine.

[@ghostface1621]

My ps5 its a smooth 60. Always 4k

[@goldensperm7182]

Yet the physics of that game is two generation behind.

[@sadstormtrooper]

Did you even watch the video? Rich specifically says that the game runs well given how terrible the CPU is(with lack of unified memory on PC) and that Red engine is pretty optimal. You haters would literally come to conclusions and spread lies without even watching

[@williampinnock2256]

@@sadstormtrooper it's running at less than 30fps...

[@kirkden71]

It is interesting looking back at the last gen consoles and how developers both internally and externally have built masterpieces on ancient tech. Awesome vid!

[@GURken]

So this CPU is from a "can it run Crysis" era. The OG Crysis, not the lazy remake.

[@gingerd2098]

Performance wise, pretty much. Which means CPU's capable of running OG Crysis can run Cyberpunk. That's pretty insane when you consider OG Crysis came out 14 years ago. I didn't even want to type that because fuuuuuuuck I'm getting old haha.

[@SameBasicRiff]

@@gingerd2098 My Athlon64 x2 would like to have a word with this comment....

[@reddonut1518]

@@gingerd2098 jeez I knew crysis was ahead of its time on the CPU end of things, but 14 YEARS ahead? That’s insane

[@sokool3994]

Well, the "Can It Run Crysis" era started around the 7th generation of consoles, so the CPU of Xbox 360/Playstation 3 is a better fit, I think.

[@SameBasicRiff]

@@reddonut1518 Not ahead, just that unoptimized for future CPU's.

[@xboxnerd4759]

Very interesting. Hope to see more videos with this cpu. Interesting to see how it's going to perform in ac unity, watch dogs 2. Maybe even comparison with q6600

[@benhillman8384]

That having a windows 10 installation squatting on the hardware got similar performance to the focussed console port after spending dedicated dev time makes this even more embarrassing.

[@gameguy301]

platform specific optimization is a long, complicated, and arduous task that at the end of the day only improves ONE version of the game, then you have to do it all over again for every other platform you plan to support, which is why it is rare and limited in scope in reality despite the chestbeating from platform holders and gullible fanboys. its better to focus on issues that broadly improve all platforms and clear up any low hanging fruit first. We saw this with their coverage of the Ori for Switch miracle port, the first thing they did was improve the engine broadly in a way that was beneficial to all systems and only then did they get into anything switch specific.

[@spyczech]

Having the 6800xt driving the pc means we shouldn't make too much out of this

[@Zettoman]

most of the OS overhead has been reduced when consoles switched to x86, and lowered even more with vulkan / dx12. the days of x360 ps3 are gone.

[@HondaAccordPerformance]

That’s crazy that 2013 consoles were on par with a non overclocked q6600 from 2007 and most people then overclocked theirs to 3.2 so technically it’s weaker. It’s nice that PS5 and Series X finally have modern not outdated cpus

[@DJ_Dopamine]

Yeah, I used to run an overclocked Q6600, before I then upgraded it to a Q9650. I ran that beast at well over 4GHz! Fun times...

[@rixzin5046]

Well they have a little more overall powerful because it has more cores(as seen in the benchmark) but yeah they were terrible

[@4R8YnTH3CH33F]

10:05 When Richard calls your current PC build "vintage" :((((

[@friedpotato6037]

That really is vintage holy shit This is coming from a potato this says alot

[@ZantetsukenGilgamesh]

What the actual fuck, that's a 10+ year old CPU. You could have mown lawns to get a new CPU by now.

[@ratedtriplex]

Buddy, u got your money's worth out of it. Nothing to feel ashamed of.

[@AbysmalEnd]

And this is why you guys are the kings of video game analysis. Your service to the community and helping developers optimize their games is just so under appreciated. Thank you for your ethusiam and unparalleled commitment to quality content.

[@aidanklobuchar1798]

Man, those last-gen console CPU's really were just a collection of hamsters running on wheels.

[@reddonut1518]

Fucking amazes me how much power devs pulled out of these things. Like yeah Control isn’t stable by any means on base consoles but have you SEEN Control? Complex AI, real time fluid simulation, complex dynamic (looking) destruction, and a very heavy use of particle effects, among other things. The fact that some of these games run at all is a miracle

[@reddonut1518]

Or like, The Last of Us 2. What the fuck? Naughty Dog may not have made the best sequel ever, but that game hardly drops a frame, it’s insane! Or Red Dead Redemption 2, which when people heard that it was being ported to pc, they were scared for their brand new computers while mid-range hardware from 2014 was pulling it off without a hitch! Sorry I’m totally nerding out under your comment right now this stuff is just so cool. It’s my favorite thing

[@CeeJMantis]

A bunch of Navy SEAL trained, genetically altered, cybernetically enhanced Super-hamsters. I guess it really goes to show how much optimization can make a big difference, and how you can get a lot out of something when you have the access and consistency in all of your parts. I'm curious to see what the current generation of consoles will do in five years time. When you're not as limited by things like slow storage, I imagine that they will be able to do a lot with them.

[@reddonut1518]

@@CeeJMantis they’re already reaching 4k 60fps with raytracing, albeit in a limited form. This generation is gonna look crazy

[@Xbob42]

@@reddonut1518 I don't think it's that they extracted power out of these CPUs. They were bottlenecks even at launch. Rather, they did everything they could to not rely on the shitty CPUs and use as many optimizations elsewhere to limit the load.

[@orangezombies]

Richard you really need to install Linux now and run Cyberpunk through Proton on Steam to see the differences from Windows 10. Continue this madness!!! KEEP GOING FURTHER!!!

[@n00bfishie]

Cyberpunk 2077 on Raspberry Pi when?

[@V3ntilator]

Just use a streaming app.

[@LAG09]

The Switch has a much lower end CPU than the current Raspberry Pi (4 Cortex A53s vs 4 A57s) and if Doom Eternal can be ported to the Switch I can't see any reason why something with the same CPU setup as the Raspberry Pi couldn't get a Cyberpunk 2077 port. The Raspberry Pi does have a GPU that's essentially an expanded video decoder (VideoCore 6) so that parts unfortunately no good for games.

[@ultralynch8538]

KABOOM?

[@WamblyHades]

@@LAG09 I think it's not powerful enough. Consider that those consoles that run Doom Eternal at 60fps can't even make it to 30 in Cyberpunk. So with the Switch, they could get like 15fps at best with a beast of a optimization. That said, I think if Nintendo goes for a 8-core ARM CPU with a new micro-arquitecture in the next Switch, it would be no problem for it to deal with all the AAA games. Fingers crossed.

[@Auraxium]

Great research Richard, I was hooked from start to finish. Thanks for sharing.

[@thereal_brandonwilson]

Your team is just too impressive 🙃😏🙃😏

[@hyungwoo0312]

I’d like to see this board appear in more future benchmarks if possible. Even though Jaguar is an old design, it was the architecture for what were current generation consoles until less than 6-months ago, and there are still far more people on 8th generation hardware than the new 9th generation which still seem unobtainable.

[@blondbassist]

8:35 This is likely because of Nvidias Automatic threading service that uses CPU cycles to make sure draw calls being sent to the gpu are as threaded as possible. CPU Performance hit is usually outweighed by the GPU API gains however in this case because the CPU is so bad it is likely harming performance. IIRC theres an option in the NV drivers to disable this.

[@zofrea1]

I believe that option is only exposed for OpenGL, named "Threaded Optimization"

[@isaboll1]

@@zofrea1 you're right. This is done because OpenGL has no native threading support (you can try and fake it using multiple contexts, but it isn't defined for implementations universally), and as it's higher level, is more based on the implementation itself. Nvidia allows you to change their implementation's functionality through the driver settings.

[@MeowMeowDeathRay]

I don't think it's CPU threading issue. AMD GPUs simply need less bandwidth than Nvidia GPUs. Look up benchmarks of laptops running on external GPUs in PCIe lanes limited environment, in particular when people use the slot meant for Wifi card. AMD GPUs consistently outperform Nvidia in that scenario.

[@Aexorzist]

This does not affect Vulkan and DX12 games.

[@hersnab]

I feel I've shared my gaming life alongside you either reading your excellent content and now watching it, Richard. Long may it continue :-)

[@edeshkumar9686]

Yeah. Pci bandwidth plays huuuuge role in this game. My 1060 was somehow running at x4 pci speeds and god knows how i was confused about it and couldn't figure out why i am Getting below 30 fps even on 480p. I got to know about it through GPUz. Just cleaned gpu contacts and reseated it properly and i was suddenly getting 50fps.

[@virtualtools_3021]

must;ve been one filthy pcie slot, oof

[@edeshkumar9686]

@@virtualtools_3021 actually it was my filthy replaced card i received from service center.

[@BMW-sd6nn]

The dogs dinner line absolutely kill me

[@UserInterface00]

Waiting for PC game tested on Nintendo Switch! 😂😂

[@SalveMonesvol]

This has prompted me to look for benchmarks for the A9 9820 and I must say, it's pretty good actually. In fact, when it was released, it wasn't a low end gpu, but actually a pretty badass laptop CPU equivalent to a quad core i5 @2.3 ghz (Ps4 cpu in 2013), and even when the Xbox One X was released, the updated cpu would have been considered high end for an ultrabook (One X cpu equivalent to modern intel quad core @3.3 ghz). Even now in 2021, a 5nm version of the ps4 cpu would be a fantastic CPU for mobile devices like tablets and phones.

[@Edir.X]

"we tested it on a normal pc" The normal pc: i9 10900k, rtx 3080

[@d3x7r0]

Ok, one thing about the ram support: I was under the impression (but I may be wrong) that for DDR most BIOS will show you half of the speed that the module is rated at. This means that for a 2133MHz set of DDR3 sticks you would set your BIOS for 1066. 1333MHz would effectively mean overclocking the ram to 2666MHz. I think I'm not misremembering my DDR3 stuff but if I'm right then that means you guys managed to get a slight overclock of the RAM speeds over the XB1.

[@codyisrude]

try this on linux with the amdgpu kernel driver enabled and using valves proton layer

[@Mospen]

Fascinating video and well done Rich! Videos like this and others are what really put Digital Foundry in the top tier of the technology and gaming discussion. Keep up the great work team!

[@HazyJ28]

I think LTT did a video on this absolute monstrosity

[@mikeymaiku]

Craftcomputing as well. He wanted to actually deoply it for use

[@number332]

you're a treasure Richard, great informative video

[@Fastwalker27]

Conclusion : Cyberpunk 2077 is not poorly optimised , it's just too much for last gen

[@Neuzahnstein]

CPDR focused on PC, not on consols (basically oposite of most other developers)

[@prich0382]

@adam kreutzersacramentodelatoerdelacathedralgothick That's best though. The CPU is so outdated that tbh they shouldn't of released it on XBOX ONE/PS4 gen, the better the CPU, the more complex the game can be.

[@nighttimestalker]

The constant complaints, crashes, corruption, etc on PC beg to differ. It's an overhyped mediocre unoptimized looter shooter

[@nighttimestalker]

Shouldn't have been released at all last year.

[@jesusbarrera6916]

it even runs like shit on low end PCs with glitches everywhere and non existent AI it was poorly optimized

[@antus666]

I think the biggest reason the pc version had worse dips was likely the ram running at 1333mhz instead of 2133 ( 3:32 ). But what i'd like to see compared and tried with this machine is the durango dev kit software. It seems possible to me that this might be a clone of the original dev kit hardware platform, before the console was completed. Perhaps this is the dev kit bios, and perhaps that shipped with PC ram, instead of final interface of the console. Can anyone who has seen or used a durango dev kit, or even got one to pull apart do so and compare to this board? @digitalfoundry can you get a second hand durango dev kit and plug the hard drive in to this and see what happens?

[@gunayorbay]

20:15 Great investigative work but I'm puzzled with the conclusion here. If idTech is any indication, there is always more efficient code. Using 100% of cpu resources also doesn't say much about whether the code is efficient or not. Considering the rushed nature of the release, the likely conclusion to me is that the engine isn't as efficient as it can be rather than the game is just "next gen," whatever that means.

[@mrratchet]

This is fascinating. Great work Richard! I want to get my hands on one of these boards myself!

[@gameguy301]

0:45 Aerobox high performance office PC, lol how do they get away with such horsehit marketing? This chip design is like 7 years old and based on an architecture that is even older. Back when it was brand spanking new it was designed as a power and cost conscious console APU, and before finding its way into a console design as an octo core the architecture itself was envisioned originally as a quadcore stripped down for power efficiency in thin and light devices like netbooks, ultra-portables, and windows tablets.

[@RandyAugustus]

I mean high performance in an “office” is pretty apt. All that machine should be doing is opening a web browser or doing excel/outlook work.

[@djtomoy]

Great to see someone is having fun with cyberpunk 2077 after all

[@mitchboland9591]

Now we just need to get full-fledged windows 10 running on an xbox

[@spazzdineveryway]

In my old school Mortal Kombat announcer’s voice... “OUTSTANDING”

[@schneider1112]

I am pretty sure the One X CPU received some hardware changes to achieve higher IPC and not just a frequency bump. The PS4 Pro reportedly only received the speed bump. So, no, the One X and the PC you're showing don't have the same CPU.

[@rixzin5046]

They improved cache latency and improved apis but I don't think they changed much else besides that

[@tazmanceltic]

Jesus Christ this is the work DF puts in to get real subjectivity on a game that has(in my opinion) flopped in such a major way. They truly are the gold standard in this medium. And nx gamer of course.

[@BAYDROID]

I think XBOX ONE still can be next gen 640p gaming machine

[@mikem2253]

480p at 60 fps

[@M1chlos]

Clearly not, resolution is not an issue, the CPU is and you can run game at 100p and it does not change a thing.

[@ZackSNetwork]

You mean the Xbox Series S which already runs some games at 720p and 640p.

[@uzzi3822]

Next gen and 640p don't belong in the same sentence.

[@THEYCANTSTOPME]

@@uzzi3822 neither did last gen but viola

[@SohrabRouintan]

One of the best Digital Foundry videos! and a glimpse into what CDPR must've gone through trying to hold up their ambitions

[@Fastwalker27]

Imagine how much pain this mediocre 2008 CPU caused for console game developers

[@Doc_Valparaiso]

It really is amazing how certain developers got so much out of the Jaguar cores. Even at 30fps games like Days Gone with hordes as far as the eye can see is a testament to their effort. I just hope that they carry over that level of ruthless efficiency on current-gen. Last-gen games look great at 4K/60 or running at 120fps. But, the real proof is yet to be seen.🤞

[@e2rqey]

I wonder if we will ever see PS5/Series X APU's appear under similar circumstances to this chip.

[@DarkShadowC83]

Maybe in 8 years since now (and it isn't the same because this APU was made as a power efficient cost conscious alternative).

[@failbob2000]

I don't think having the PS5 or Xbox Series X's bespoke APUs would matter much - at least for gauging CPU performance. Considering that they're Zen 2 cores that are almost completely in line with a Ryzen 7 3700X, learning about CPU performance would only take a simple stroll into the BIOS to gauge how close or far an equivalent PC would be off from those consoles. GPU power would be a different story - all that can really be done is underclocking or cutting off some performance by restricting how many CUs are used on a GPU, but even there, you wouldn't be able to wholly estimate what the consoles could truly offer.

[@santhoshsridhar5887]

@@failbob2000 Eh, I'd say more in line with a 4700g tbh.

[@ShadowRomeo1784]

@@failbob2000 They are still behind Desktop Zen 2 3700x because they have much less L3 cache and is significantly underclocked. But still as what this video has shown, its much much faster than the slow jaguar turd from last gen console.

[@Fastwalker27]

@@ShadowRomeo1784 The 3700x 's clock is 3.6ghz , the consoles aren't underclocked at all

[@HAL1138]

This is AAA Digital Foundry content! Absolutely love experimentation with hardware like this.

[@crispianchealuks2024]

dios mio, it is an impossible task, CP 2077 will never run with acceptable fps on last-gen consoles

[@hectorcastellanos7025]

Jackie?

[@kotboyarkin5032]

Benchmark this CPU with old GPUs that are (according to pc gamers) are similar to consoles GPU. Some people say that GTX 1050ti (for example) is faster than PS4 Pro/ Xbox One x GPU. So, run the same games on "Xbox PC" and on consoles, on the same settings and same resolution to see the difference in fps (with fps locked to console-level ofc). This way we can find what desktop GPU has console level according to real tests and not guessing. So, we can finally know what desktop GPU is equivalent to old consoles.

[@kotboyarkin5032]

@@ym17191 yeah, I know that but thanks for some examples with gtx 1070 :) But some stupid PC fanboys say that gtx 1050 ti is more powerful than PS4 Pro lol.

[@Zer01neBDTDev]

@@kotboyarkin5032 GTX 1070 is actually more powerfull than Xbox One X, for PS4 Pro, a 970 is enough, the only issue of the 970 is the VRAM Limitation.

[@Zer01neBDTDev]

No he actually can't, he don't have a Full 16x PCIe Slot to pull out max bandwidth of the GPU.

[@Zeegoku1007]

RICH : "And me being me , I had to know" 😂

[@dalton2k538]

Richard’s comment on saying that these CPU’s are basically vintage 2007 laptop tech on 2013 hardware makes me wonder how the PS3’s Cell cpu, a PowerPC based over-the-top CPU from 2006 would run this game if optimized for it’s SPU design.

[@electrikoptik]

Nevermind Richard. I wanna read what the REAL experts have to say in the comments!

[@romanpollmeier2711]

Well done Richard I love this type of video keep them coming!

[@stunytsuR]

Uh oh. Digital foundry members use gpu’s for mining. 😂

[@KeepAnOpenMind]

Awesome research and video and conclusions! Thank you!

[@ivofixzone6410]

"...and it works. Sixteeeen times the detail"

[@skimasker3049]

I keep expecting this guy to say "Welcome to Jurassic Park!"

[@skimasker3049]

Not because he looks old, but because of that remarkable accent.

[@nitmare64]

The audio editing on this video is terrible. On Some cuts the vocal audio is lower, then higher and then its muffled.

[@davidereverberi5279]

Probably ram can only run at 1333 because Corsair Vengeance as many other ram brand advertized the xmp clock speed and not the jedec ones. So if the bios doesn't support xmp profile you cannot activate it and they ran at jedec speed.

[@Snoy_Fly]

The game works on everything.....poorly.

[@mulando5232]

You should also check how high the System power draw is in both modes for the CPU. At least it suggest, that Sony and MS could have used much higher CPU clockrates from the beginning. btw, xbox one x has also redesigned Jaguar cores. At least MS said in some interviews that they decreased latencies for the cache so the CPU ist more potent than just an upclocked jaguar CPU.

[@tolosthesecond]

Impatiently waiting for Outriders analysis.

[@XiLock_Alotx]

It’s mediocre at best

[@kevboard]

a game that will die within 6 months... there's your analysis lol

[@johnellis3383]

I would love to see a full on benchmark suite on this apu! This stuff is super interesting and not really covered elsewhere

[@NotExRyzVan]

МэдМурковские на месте?

[@xboxnerd4759]

Отвал

[@InputArchive]

I’d love to see this running all the PC ports of Xbox One games; Forza 7, Ryse, Dead Rising 3, Sunset Overdrive etc.