CZ's Embarrassing Volkspistoles: The CZ100 and CZ101

[@bobhunt4402]

Can you imagine Chevrolet inviting someone to their headquarters to talk about the Vega? Major props to CZ for allowing a critical review of what was an essentially failed design.

[@ryand2939]

Forget the Vega, how about the Volt?

[@bobhunt4402]

@@loquat44-40 I've assembled sprung components inside a gallon sized food storage bag on more than one occasion.

[@pb68slab18]

Or Corvair!

[@Chironex_Fleckeri]

Or the Cruze

[@nutbastard]

@@loquat44-40 I've done disassembly under a blanket with a headlamp (and safety glasses) on for this very reason.

[@marcelsvitalsky8993]

I remember when I first met this gun live: it was around 2000 in a Prague indoor shooting range (Avim; still operational). I was shooting one of my guns and next to me was some gentleman in a suit, shooting at full size paper figure target at approximately five to seven meters, not more. I didn't pay much attention to him until the moment when he came to me, apparently very unhappy and frustrated, and told me that he had a new gun, his first, and that it might be broken because it couldn't hit the target no matter what. And asked me to look at it and help him, if I could. The gun was, of course, CZ-100, which until then I only knew from a gun magazine (Střelecká revue probably). I looked at his target and indeed it was quite virgin. 🙂 So with his permission I took his gun and tried couple shots. The trigger was long and heavy as hell-you could start pulling and someone would build a camp fire, prepare lunch and serve it before you were done pulling-however as long as you kept the gun properly aimed whilst pulling it, it did shoot exactly where you wanted. So I asked him to try it again and watched him, and sure enough, the long and heavy trigger made him-a novice as he was-to squeeze the gun before it eventually fired so firmly that all the bullets went deep bellow his target, even at this close range. Not a very novice-friendly gun, but perhaps an excellent trigger-control training tool.

[@security225]

Just about died laughing when the striker spring went flying across the room. I feel that pain.

[@johnruddick686]

Imaging taking that apart at night in the mud and rain with no light. Lol

[@Bacteriophagebs]

@@johnruddick686 That's nothing compared to that tiny plug-thing. Every gun would need to ship with like 20 replacements of that. That said, pretty sure no one ever would be field-stripping one of these in the mud and rain. It's a self-defense pistol, not an infantry rifle.

[@johnruddick686]

@@Bacteriophagebs true but it would be positively shit as a service pistol

[@anon_y_mousse]

That's why I love captive springs.

[@cooterhedrick2906]

Great way to lose an eye

[@MrDDiRusso]

Considering how complicated disassembly of the striker mechanism is, it probably shouldn't be taken apart.

[@hobbie4]

I was saying to myself, “that’s gonna launch if you don’t cover the hole” and then SpRoInG! Sorry, Ian, I couldn’t help myself laughing

[@comiketiger]

I dont imagine 99.9% of us will ever have opportunity to make that decision. 😂

[@MrDDiRusso]

@@comiketiger considering how few of these pistols were made, I would agree.

[@NoThisIsPatrick_]

Great thing from CZ to invite you and aswell give you the chance to present their failed designs and not just their great ones

[@MarvinCZ]

My friend's CZ100 was the first pistol I ever shot. The trigger was super long and heavy. I didn't know any better though. I thought that's just how pistols are.

[@AutomaticHandguns]

I’d like to hear more about the embarrassing history of the S&W Sigma.

[@darklyripley6138]

At least S&W kinda redeemed themselves with the newer “sigmas”. The SD series is an awesome gun, and extremely affordable.

[@marcusmaddenov2451]

I have owned 4 of them, all worked fine.

[@patrickmurphy8008]

Sugma balls lol

[@shoelessbandit1581]

@@marcusmaddenov2451 then why did you buy 4?

[@skipspik1571]

I'm afraid it's mostly political/juridic mess. The pistol iteself was fine, and they even sold some decent amount. Not a glock-like success, but still.

[@MarvinCZ]

10:17 Having the firing pin jammed forward sounds like the recipe for a runaway open-bolt machine pistol.

[@jeramyw]

I was about to write that too.

[@rangereview4590]

"Should we fix that?""no.....no just leave it..... "

[@pguth98]

That sounds like a feature, not a bug.

[@347Jimmy]

"I just try to fire once and it magdumps at the guy 13/9mm, would self-defence again"

[@rangereview4590]

@@347Jimmy ^ people who don't fire their ccws before needing them

[@marksaxby607]

Great demonstration on the striker spring sending the striker flying across the room 😄 If it can happen to you, it can happen to anyone!

[@joshuareinerio3496]

Two weapons in one

[@Glurgi]

Whenever I see spring-loaded disassembly like the one at 8:41 I always remember the hard learned advice I got to always disassemble (or disarm in some cases, those suckers can poke your eye out, kids ;) ) those situations inside a plastic bag. I have a friend that lost a spring to a sight the night before a morning competition, he also had some words to say regarding carpets :D

[@TheRogueWolf]

Parts furnished by Fiddly Little Bits Ltd. Their motto: "Good luck finding that on the other side of the room."

[@MarvinCZ]

I think the CZ .22 LR "Kadet" system deserves a future video at some point. It's a really smart design in my opinion.

[@joshklaver47]

Also the SIG P220 and P226 Classic 22 models. A million times better than the Mosquito, and can be easily converted to full calibre, often for cheaper than buying a normal P220 or P226.

[@KanshunGanshun]

I've got a Kadet slide for my P01. Really great to be able to fairly quickly swap between 9mm and .22 on the same grip and same trigger for training or plinking. I think they've been discontinued, which is a shame

[@Projectdarke]

Thanks to this CZ series of videos I now have the name and pronounciation of their main factory added to my brain forever. Thanks for the vids!

[@gunengineering1338]

I have one of these. They actually make a great tune-up gun. Custom stippling the frame makes both an attractive and good grip. And; while the double action is always there, it's possible to tune it up so that it works much like a heavy 2 stage. But my favorite thing about it is just how unique it is. It has some interesting innovations that i haven't seen anywhere else.

[@JoachimElmesioo]

Weird how a supposedly cheap pistol is one of the harder ones to wrap my head around, and I've watched the G11 video.

[@jic1]

I think it's *because* it's a cheap pistol; they put cost of manufacture above ease of disassembly. Exhibit 2 - the Hi-Point: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHKUgoSPeLGAl7s

[@jic1]

@@smorrow I think that was only a cheap pistol by H&K standards.

[@Logovanni]

I’m really happy you finally got to do a video on the 100/101/110. When I was in high school I read about them in a gun book and thought they were really cool. They were what introduced me to CZ and have always had a special place in my heart for that.

[@DustyGamma]

Nice of Ian to demonstrate the striker flying across the room.

[@vs2573]

I shot one of these many years ago. Neither great nor bad, long heavy trigger, but pretty accurate. It was intended as a "postman" gun, not for fun or competition, so no controls, just point and shoot as said in the video.

[@edwardnovick9904]

I discovered this handgun in the Ghost in the Shell (1995) film, it did look a little futuristic and the barrel stop in my mind might have been an optic in the context of the cyberpunk world. It would be cool to find one in the US just to collect it.

[@herrcobblermachen]

What's true for the group is also true for the individual. It's simple: overspecialize, and you breed in weakness. It's slow death

[@SoumyadeepBasu5]

Same reason I'm here.

[@cemtexx]

8:43 Ian McCollum, weaponizing springs in 2022, that 7.65 French long ammo must be getting difficult to get.

[@josephmontanaro2350]

I don't think it was the intent but I wouldn't be surprised if that "belt racker" part could have been used for aftermarket optics rails (take it out and install a pic rail in the slot), no idea if it would hold zero but would be a cool way to slap on a small red dot

[@renelopez2244]

Just picked up the 40cal. Happy to see a thorough disassembly and historical place in CZ's arsenal. Might make for a great collector piece

[@Ronin8509]

Interesting choice to cover in a video, the original Ghost in the Shell movie has put the 100 at the top of my firearms collectible list. So I appreciate being able see a practical strip down of the gun.

[@TheCrystalJules]

that's where I first learned about it too, always wanted to hear Ian talk about them given the reputation.

[@herrcobblermachen]

What's true for the group is also true for the individual. It's simple: overspecialize, and you breed in weakness. It's slow death

[@chuckbridgeland6181]

Oh, I could go on about this. Had one for about 5 years, back in the low 2000s. CZ-USA doesn't even have anything at all on its site about it now. The US version had an adjustable rear sight, dovetail not compatible with the fixed sights. And yes, the striker spring and guide went twang!! the first time I disassembled it. Never did find the spring guide. Mine broke too much, and was never all that reliable. Never got off probation, so down the road it went.

[@rmod42]

Now that's a good old fashioned gun, simple point and click interface

[@Locutus494]

3:45 Calling it a staple-gun esque trigger is an insult to staple guns! Handled one of these at a gun show recently, and I swear I've used staple guns that had better "triggers" than this...

[@dontbother4737]

This piece was burned into memory from the 1995 film Ghost in the Shell.

[@benningsniper9516]

I still have one of these my grandfather passed down to me. Probably my least favorite pistol that I own. Hasn't been shot for probably 15 years or more.

[@GunsmithSid]

Have only seen two of these and both back in the day. Lots of questions about the middle sight. We were porting guns in a similar fashion, so it was fun to see a major manufacturer doing the same.

[@SafariPilot]

I owned one of these a long time ago. The CZ110. I recall the long pull but still found it OK to shoot being able to hit man sized targets at 50 meters not being a pro. Easy to maintain and carry.

[@EDKguy]

I can't wait to see Ian do a BUG competition with the CZ striker pin

[@ericlondon5731]

I am glad I am not the only one who collects erroneously launched springs from the other side of the room.

[@TraTranc]

Fun fact: the issues with the CZ100 were fixed with the CZ110, which was a SA/DA with a manual decocker. It was never distributed in the US.

[@wurfyy]

He mentioned that.

[@grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338]

Ironic how they gave us the shit versions but not the good one

[@asdasd-ty9se]

Bbbbbbbboooooooooooooo

[@Nave4x4]

@@grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338 I had a 110, still a shit pistol...

[@benningsniper9516]

@@Nave4x4 man I thought I'd be the only cool guy in the comment section that had a 110. I hated mine too. I bought mine in Israel and had it brought into the US. Took me almost 6 months. Not worth the time or money.

[@LikePhoenixFromAshes]

Ian + CZ is a good video to see!

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Ian . 🐺

[@TheOttermanEmpire]

Thanks for this one. NIce to finally see something I own get the treatment. The CZ100 was one of my first US pistols, ran for well over 8000 rounds ( CCI was < 4.99 a box after all) prior to having any issues . During that time the trigger had graduated from ____ awful to merely awful. The trigger was painful after a couple of boxes regardless It was accurate, carried well and I still take it out occasionally but it's days as a carry were over the moment the 75 compact came back in stock.

[@RonOhio]

I like CZ's attitude. Some American gun companies would have pulled a Mr. Phelps on those two. "...will disavow any knowledge of you or your mission".

[@kevininwards5787]

Please Ian. Do that video on the cz 110. Very interesting! Thanks for all the work you put into these

[@ArmasdefuegoColombia]

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[@peterlindbergh8526]

I grew up referring to the spring that flies across the room as a Jesus spring, named for the utterance upon activation. So now we have a demonstration of an actual Gun Jesus spring.

[@ScottKenny1978]

I call it a "sproing" because of the sound it makes as it flies across the room. Had my SVT-40 recoil spring do that to me.

[@Cosigne]

I think that's the first time I've seen a spring go "sproing" for Ian, on camera.

[@ScottKenny1978]

Agreed. I certainly don't remember seeing it before now!

[@benjamminonabudget85]

Respect for keeping in the spring flying across the room

[@JohnDoe-qw4gc]

As a CZ fanboy, it's interesting to know that not everything that the company did was flawlessly executed.

[@JohnDoe-qw4gc]

@Dartgame 340 Figure of speech

[@muddyhotdog4103]

@Dartgame 340 fan-zer

[@CardinalAsh]

@Dartgame 340 ...What else would he call himself? Fanman?

[@ScottKenny1978]

@Dartgame 340 English isn't your first language, is it?

[@ScottKenny1978]

Gotta admit that my CZ75 is my baby. DA trigger if you're weird or get a light strike, otherwise it's SA all the time. I will be buried with that gun.

[@nathanlauzier7768]

I won a cz100 in 9mm for like $5 and traded it in a few months later. Striker spring was so weak that it would just have light strikes every round. Pulling the trigger 20+ times to shoot 10 rounds was annoying. Got good at not anticipating recoil tho. Guy i sold it to slammed a cz75 mag in and it did work lol

[@nathanlauzier7768]

@@LIONTAMER3D aint that the truth lol

[@PoorFoxface]

Aesthetically, I quite like the look of these guns, particularly the 100 in .40 S&W. The grip and frame are pretty generic polymer pistol, but I like the slide a lot. The overall shape, with the sloped back and sides, the two bands of grooves ahead of and behind the extractor, the contrast of the shiny inner parts in the extractor gap against the dull gunmetal grey slide body, it's all quite satisfying to look at. It gives a kind of rugged, functional impression which is unfortunately completely at odds with the gun's actual function. I even like the barrel stop / belt racking bit behind the extractor, just as a bit of extra detail that breaks up the smooth top of the slide. It's the sort of thing that would look good as one of those random bits tacked on a videogame pistol for looks with no regard for the real-world functionality.

[@thatguybrody4819]

Ian: takes off spring retainer. spring and guide rod: bolt out the opening like a dog and an open door.

[@ErikL727]

That complete striker assembly is needlessly complicated and there's a LOT of parts that can easily get lost. This combination of complexity and crappy trigger clearly made it suffer from "Just get a Glock" syndrome back in those days. 😋

[@rezlogan4787]

I still have that syndrome today since I can never seem to actually get my Glock to malfunction when clean and properly oiled. Which is the point.

[@ErikL727]

@@rezlogan4787 took me a while to get around to Glock love, but once I got a suppressor, I REALLY appreciated the simplicity!

[@ЗвездыБольшойПротуберанец]

Many years ago, in the 90s, I had a West German Perfecta FBI 8000 gas pistol, its striker spring was removed in a similar way. The first time I took it out it catapulted across the room and under the closet, it took me quite a while to get it out with a ruler. A couple of years ago I watched a video where the owner did this part of the disassembly procedure by placing the gun in a plastic bag to prevent the spring from flying away.Good idea, why didn’t I think of it myself. )

[@runem5429]

I've watched quite a lot of Ians videos, heard him talk about springs flying across the room multiple times, but I've never seen it actually happen to him. I am very satisfied now.

[@louisgiokas2206]

The Ruger P95, which came out at the same time, does not have any metal reinforcement for its guide rods. These, like the CZ pistols shown here, are molded with the frame. They are not full length. I have one of these and have had no issues. I have also not seen any issues with the gun from other sources.

[@BE109]

If the heavy and deliberate DAO trigger system is kept in mind. One will be constantly reminded that the CZ100 is not intended as a target pistol. It is strictly intended as a defensive weapon. I have a 1998 vintage CZ100 in 40 S&W, and I rather like and enjoy shooting it in defensive drills. If I want to target shoot, I have numerous other pistols more suited to that task.

[@grumpyboomer61]

With all of those tiny parts and springs, it's a good thing that CZ didn't offer it as a service pistol.

[@katywalker8322]

Possibly for sabotaging the Elbonian resistance.

[@johnschofield9496]

Very interesting and informative, as always. Thanks, Ian !

[@wittsullivan8130]

There are a couple of 3-d printed pistol designs that integrate a plastic slide rail as one piece with the frame. One of them is a printed version of the Beretta 92. Most good 3-d gun file designers put their prints through several hundred or thousands of rounds before they release them to the general public. So far, so good..

[@RockSolitude]

The CZ 100 pistol is one of my favourites. Not because its a particularly good pistol. Just because it was featured in the original Ghost in the Shell film and looked cool.

[@davidcolter]

Oh, that's where I've seen it before! Arigato!

[@kutter_ttl6786]

Now we just need Ian to cover the Mateba revolver.

[@bradfordperry5997]

I had a cz100 back in 07ish, and I remember telling people you needed to bring a friend with you and get a running start to pull the trigger.

[@cattunger]

thank you for the content this morning as well, ian :)

[@zacharybennett3249]

This is the earliest I have ever been to a Forgotten Weapons upload! Stoked!

[@KenworthW900HG]

Just came on my lunch break, glad this was posted 30 secs ago!

[@AllAboutSurvival]

I did not know the CZ100 was supposed to be a budget. I always assume it was a failed, first foray into polymer striker-fired guns. I recall the trigger pull being awful. I never ran across a single stack version.

[@FEDsShotMOM]

i have a cz p07 and a Star Ultrastar and i find it really neat that Star(Spain) who copy alot of euro patented firearms (at least they used to for last 150years). Well they took inspiration from CZ 75 and Sig pistol structures to make their polymer wonder 9 in the 90s, arriving late to the craze and military contracts of the 80s. But they made a polymer frame, inverted rail, DA/SA, 9mm, planned to do double stack, etc. and then a decade later CZ puts out the P-07 that is also inspired by CZ 75 design and is basically the same thing but modernized and better. Its like CZ saw how they were copied and innovated off of it.

[@nickverbree]

Putting that pistol back together looks like a nightmare

[@paulbervid1610]

Ian becareful of the stricker spring it is extra long... yeh like that as it goes across the room.

[@dermetzger]

8:45 - FINALLY!!! After hearing him say that same phrase DOZENS of times, I now know it is actually true! I've been waiting for this moment for literal years.

[@jamesdalton2014]

These pistols must be a pain to re-assemble, with all those small parts under spring tension held in place by other parts that need two hands to position properly. I'm sure that's one of the reasons these guns did not sell - you wouldn't want to field strip them anywhere it was dark or dirty, where small parts could be easily lost (like the striker spring and guide rod).

[@bindingcurve]

???? Do you know the difference between an field strip and a disassembly?

[@MarvinCZ]

The field strip isn't any more complex than any other pistol. How often do you disassemble the slide of your other pistols? That's not something you do for cleaning.

[@lordmartinak]

that is the Ghost in the Shell gun!

[@georgewells8988]

We bought some of these to supply Armed guards who were looking for something cheap and cheerful and not too complicated to replace their ancient .32 long colts. They were not too successful , as here in the Caribbean if you look at them too hard the barrels would rust and they required constant cleaning . Strangely they were quite accurate once you mastered the Bullworker trigger , and as long as the target stood still !

[@ericmitchell985]

A bad CZ? What is this? My world is in shambles.

[@ScottKenny1978]

It apparently does happen every once in a while.

[@chubbyjohnson5480]

CZ has come a long way. I'll give them that.

[@owllymannstein7113]

A more prominent pistol which only uses polymer guide rails is the Ruger p-95, and nobody ever accused those things of not being durable.

[@timvandijknl]

The little plug at 9:15 looks like it has a little round nub with the perfect diameter to hold the spring in place. Maybe that's what it's for ?

[@joshklaver47]

I really like the idea of using one magazine for both calibres, and getting around capacity restrictions. I know Glock and other companies do .40 and .357 SIG magazines, but are there any other manufacturers doing 9mm and .40 magazines? I wish that was more common.

[@Logovanni]

I think the HK P7M13/M10 magazine was the same way.

[@russelsellick316]

Astra A70 and A75 pistols used a 9mm or 40 magazine, but not interchangeable between the two models.

[@6thmichcav262]

Although I am sure they don’t market it as such, my Springfield XDM .40 magazines feed 9mm just fine with the aftermarket Bar-Sto barrel.

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@loquat44-40 not sure why they would be, the rounds are the same size up to the neck.

[@ScottKenny1978]

@@loquat44-40 huh. Did not know that. Still seems weird, but maybe the .357sig nosedives or something weird.

[@svetoslavmarkov2212]

I have a CZ110, which is DA/SA and is totally reliable after more than 4000 rounds through it. I replaced with it my previous gun - SW M&P, which was less reliable. The trigger is perfectly OK.

[@karatos]

The little round plug and wedge on the inside end of the striker spring is to stop the striker spring from pressing the striker all the way forward all the time, causing the striker to protrude. Most striker systems have something similar but also most striker systems are at least partially cocked during feeding and locking so the striker is pulled back to some degree behind some kind of striker block that also doubles as a drop safety. Once the striker is behind a striker block it should be fine. Since this only pulls the striker back when the trigger is pulled they require the spring at the front of the striker to push it behind where the striker block can reset. If the striker does not spring back in this system then, when you drop the slide, even with the wedge, the striker is still relatively free to move forward under inertia and possibly fire the round without pulling the trigger. They could have done away with the wedge and spring in the front just by having the striker be partially pulled back during cycling like most striker fired pistols, resulting in an easier, simpler, and more functional design. Looks good otherwise.

[@christhesmith]

All the bats in my block flew away when he pulled that trigger.

[@criffermaclennan]

Eeeeeeegads, talk about finicky....my eyes hurt after trying to focus on those teeny tiny parts

[@paperskinnedart5727]

I had one of these in .40 sw a few years ago. Bought it cheap for something like $250. It was too light for such a caliber. I'm not recoil shy but it was so violent I just sold it off after a couple range sessions

[@officialdirtmcgurt]

8:43 even he did it lol he’s a true “man of the people”

[@Nave4x4]

My first pistol was a CZ110. I never thought that a trigger that only shows in nightmares was possible in real life... Boy I was wrong...

[@jeandutoit1413]

I hear you. I had a CZ100, and that trigger is so bad, it was definitely cursed. The big plus of having owned a CZ100 is that if you're semi-competent with it, any other pistol is super easy to shoot.

[@JvS1711]

Shit, I've had that nightmare so often.

[@milosnik747]

That's the first time I see this famous flying-across-the-room feature, pretty neat.

[@ThreenaddiesRexMegistus]

Kind of lives up to the premise of “have a gun!” Much better than not having one.

[@Hysteria98]

Damn, Ian is getting bolder with handling these small parts. My girlfriend would be jealous.

[@heinrichstoltz1356]

When the CZ100 came out I nearly had an aneurism of excitement, until I felt the trigger. Left the shop without.

[@madeconomist458]

The Ruger p95 and the Security-9 both have full-length polymer rails so that doesn't bother me even a little.

[@JohnDoe-mp1yn]

at least they look a lot better aesthetically than a lot of modern polymer/striker pistols.

[@ClanXmigo]

Ian- no mention of the proprietary rail? In the US, we kept on waiting for weapon lights, but I've never seen one.

[@michaelbligh1393]

Love the sproing!

[@kenibnanak5554]

Truly forgotten guns for many of us. :)

[@HYDRAdude]

Title should be "CZ makes a Saturday night special and succeeds (by failing)".

[@nobodyyyyy556]

damn if this was posted 7 AM EST I would've got paid to watch this

[@frankbrowning328]

So many cost cutting measures that the resulting gun was one that most people didn't want.

[@parrotraiser6541]

Did they sell a kit of replacement springs for people who fumbled disassembly?

[@peterjanvanbijnen226]

it is a shame that there is no gun avaiable anymore like the hk P7 sqweeuse cokker, that still the best system

[@life_of_riley88]

Unfortunately they are also very expensive when you do find them for sale. I love that design, such a great pistol.

[@peterjanvanbijnen226]

@@life_of_riley88 ik shot with one about 30 years ago. I was directly in love. if you squeeze the squeeze cocker, and you shoot the P7 you cannot understand why er are not more pistols that uses the squeeze cocker

[@GlynOC]

It all looked so simple until he got to the striker assembly

[@davidm.7099]

What is more deadly with this pistol, the bullet coming out the barrel or the striker spring?

[@NutjobGTO]

8:40 the crossover between firearms and '80s action figures

[@bas6601]

I remember these being available back when I first got into guns. A lot of retailers had them on clearance and nobody was interested in them at the time. I bought a CZ-75BD as my first pistol. Not as rare as the CZ100, but ultimately a much better firearm.

[@russelsellick316]

The trigger pull killed it.

[@ScottKenny1978]

I mean, at the time, the average revolver had a 12lb DA trigger. So this was a pretty big improvement with an 8.5lb trigger in DA. And even my CZ75 has a long, long DA trigger pull. I'd need to borrow a trigger gauge to weigh it. But since it was DAO, you never got the short reset and 4.5lb SA pull like a 1911 or CZ75.

[@kolumbus445]

"most dangerous" gun idea. make a trigger that has an incredibly light sear but an insanely long take up and reset. but design it to randomly change both where the trigger resets and where it fires on the super long pull. so every time you shoot it the gun fires at different times, resets at different spots and constantly annoys with the shooter.

[@kevinsullivan3448]

Hurricane Ian on his whirlwind tour of the CZ Vault.

[@BlackCloud0351]

Have one and it’s been a good shooter for a little over 3k rounds. Yes, it has a staple gun trigger but breaks at a consistent 8.5 pounds, and isn’t all that bad if you have revolver / DAO pistol experience. It’s nowhere near as bad as the HK VP70 or Sigma trigger! 😂 But yeah, it’s definitely nowhere near as good as the triggers on other (true) DAO setups like the Beretta 92D/96D, Walther P99 DAO, Ruger LCR, etc.

[@waterbeauty85]

8.5 pounds isn't bad at all. I remember the DA triggers on Taurus' Beretta clone, the PT92, used to routinely come in at about 14 pounds. Back in the 80s 11-12 pounds was considered quite good for a factory DA trigger. The VP70 and the C.O.P. four barreled .357, though, THOSE were bad triggers.

[@BlackCloud0351]

@@waterbeauty85 very true! Funny thing is, any time that one of my friends would start talking about how good they could shoot whatever pistol, I would hand them one of my above mentioned DAO’s. Most of them did not grow up shooting revolvers and/or carrying stuff with long, heavy triggers, and it shows at the range. Even at a measly 10-15 yards it looks like they were shooting the target with a shotgun LOL.