CZ Shadow 2 vs Walther Q5 Match Steel Frame - If I Could Only Have One...

[@docgillygun9531]

Both are just awesome. So if I had to choose one. I would say one Q5 for my right hand and Shadow 2 for my left hand. I agree that variety is the spice of life.

[@ronrheude6176]

Thanks. Both are excellent offerings.

[@doddgarger6806]

I think if you swap hands brass will fly better

[@eddievanhalen6777]

I love how CZ has forced other gun companies to compete with the shadow2

[@KSGunGuy01]

Very true! Thank you and cheers!

[@Lev08e39M5]

Also the Q5 is way pretter. Lol

[@JPWittstock]

100%👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻

[@badengrishSi]

It's funny that Tanfoglio pushed CZ...

[@chazarkansas1366]

@@Lev08e39M5 uhm no. the Q5 is literally chunked up to make loser fudds think its cool.

[@maximilianmustermann5763]

You should try the Q5 SF again with Walther's Dynamic Performance Trigger. It's the damn best striker fired trigger I have ever shot. Another upgrade I'd highly recommend is the aluminum grips from Walther. They are aggressive yet comfortable at the same time, and they look great.

[@settlerjusquauparadis7729]

I had plans to own a Shadow 2 for a few years. It is an amazing pistol. Once I got the money together I tested the shadow with the Q5 sf as an alternate. I bought the Walther. No plans to buy a Shadow any more. The Walther fits my hand better. I stay on target shot after shot. As KSGunGuy says, they are both great pistols. Test them before you buy one. 👍

[@jarrodmarshall1834]

Choosing a weapon that fits your hand well is very important. A lot of people don't take that into consideration and they end up buying one that isn't a good fit and they end up hating it then trade or sell for something different.

[@jakethompson3210]

I got a SP-01 Shadow (older, not as expensive brother of the shadow 2) as my first gun, while it may not be as refined as the Shadow 2, I did some custom work on it and I could not be happier with it (7lb/3lb double action trigger). CZ has been a wonderful first step into the world of firearms. Can’t wait to either keep working on my baby, or getting some siblings for it!

[@Miryla]

The S2 17 round mags are a U.S. thing I think, as in USPSA production guns must fit in a box. most of the rest of the world the mags come with +2 base pads as under IPSC production rules (which the S2 was largely geared toward) there is no box . The 1mm front fiber on the S2 was regarded as a refinement as its predecessor the SP01 had a 1.5mm sight that most people replaced with a 1mm. I honestly preferred the balance of the SP01 to S2 along with the placement of the front serrations being further back from the muzzle, and shape of the slide. Not really an issue for the U.S. where you are allowed to modifiy production division guns far more with non O.E.M. parts, but CZ's availability and range of O.E.M. parts is a distinct advantage.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Very interesting! I too really like the balance of the SP01. Both are really great shooters. Thank you and cheers!

[@shannonstewart7684]

I'm a PPQ fan but I definitely saw that coming. CZ has the competition pistol game figured out. Great review

[@KSGunGuy01]

I totally agree! Thank you and cheers!

[@markherrington4584]

My S2 is teaching me how to shoot. I saw it in the gun store, ask the owner to look at it, pulled the trigger one time and bought it on the spot. Amazing gun, I have never shoot anything like it. Amazing quality and precision.

[@KSGunGuy01]

That’s awesome! Thank you and cheers!

[@jerrydembrosky5429]

Lol, I did the same thing two years ago. Kinda did the same with the Q5 but it was how it felt in my hand that sold me, as well as how it shoots.

[@bradley1935]

Me too. Looking and handling a bunch of different ones. Pulled the trigger. That was it.

[@Quality_Guru]

I own the CZ Shadow 2. I purchased this pistol because of the overall build quality. Without a doubt the finest pistol that CZ machinist have manufactured and their engineers left nothing to chance by designing features that normally would go into a race gun. I own the blue handle pistol and everyone things that I paid over 3,000 for this pistol. If you see one in a store ask to compare this pistol to their most expensive pistol ( 1911 or whatever)j and compare the workmanship. This is a wonderfully made pistol that you can pass on to your Children’s Children. The downside is that this pistol will make you a better shooter than you are.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Very well said and I agree! Thank you and cheers!

[@damon323]

I just bought the blue handle shadow 2 myself. I shot my brothers previously, so when I saw another one in my local shop, I got it without hesitation. After just field stripping and cleaning off the factory oil, I could really see the amazing detail that goes in to these works of art. I’ve owned so many pistols in so many price ranges, and the Shadow 2 is second to none.

[@jerrydembrosky5429]

I'm lucky, I own both. Love the feel of the CZs2 but the Q5sf feels just a little better to me. I also found, as you stated, I pick the sights up faster on the Q5sf.

[@My_knee_growz]

I've always been a fan of CZ. I've never shot a Walther. But after watching this video... maybe I will.

[@jerrydembrosky5429]

I own both, and although I'm not at the range all too frequently, I shoot better with my Q5. To me it just feels better in my hand and I think that transfers over to my shooting.

[@2011wrxswp]

I had never even held a CZ Shadow 2 before I went ahead and purchased one. My world forever changed when I opened the box and gripped it for the first time, so I can relate. It felt tailor made to my right hand, and in the black/blue grip is strikingly beautiful to look at especially in person. I truly believe it is the most elegant and beautiful production handgun ever made! Unfortunately I have had 2 FTE's within the first 500 rounds of Winchester white box. It will fire the round and partly extract its empty case while the next round in the mag jams up underneath the empty. Removing the mag will cause the empty case to either 1.) fall freely through the magwell or 2.) the slide will go forward and chamber the empty case.

[@KSGunGuy01]

That’s an interesting issue for the S2. I wonder if the extractor needs to be looked at. You may also want to try running some other ammo through it if you haven’t aleardy. WWB can have issues depending on the batch. Thank you and cheers!

[@2011wrxswp]

@@KSGunGuy01 Thanks for your input, I am trying to run this issue across experienced CZ/S2 owners as this is my first CZ. I have since ran (100) rounds of freedom munitions 147gr rn and it was the softest smoothest ammo I have ever fired with no issues so far. I tore the gun down and tested extractor tension by putting a round in the breech face under the extractor and it held even when shaken. Really hoping that I can find and fix the issue without sending it away for a month.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Sounds like you are doing what you can. It may also just need to be broken in and there may be a burr that needs to be worked out.

[@2011wrxswp]

@@KSGunGuy01 Yeah I was thinking maybe it's a rough spot to be worked out too. Keep up the content I really enjoy it, seems like you have access to all the latest handguns 👍🙏

[@KSGunGuy01]

Glad to help and hopefully you get it sorted out. Thanks again!

[@adamrichter1397]

I’m a fan of CZ as well and would choose the Shadow 2. Although the Walther looks more modern for sure.

[@KSGunGuy01]

They are both fantastic but it’s tough to beat the Shadow 2! Thank you and cheers!

[@diegoconde2728]

Adam Richter , the shadow have finesse the Walther not as well finished.

[@BigJohnsonGG]

Nice Pistol Comparison, #CZLIFE Indeed. The S2 is an incredible pistol IMO, TFS Carry On!

[@KSGunGuy01]

Well said Big J! Thank you and cheers!

[@norfolknwhey4787]

I held out for a very long time, using mostly Glocks for USPSA, but after shooting the S2 I had to have one. Since acquiring one a year ago, I can’t believe I was so stuburn. Aside from a 2011, I don’t see how a pistol can get much better.

[@BagsEsquire]

Fantastic installment of If I could only have one. Love my CZ’s and looking forward to adding a Shadow 2...hmmm...or will it be a SP-01 Shadow Orange....or The Accushadow....I hate and love my LGS for having a huge selection of CZ’s including ones from CZ Custom!

[@KSGunGuy01]

Your LGS sounds like the place to be! Thank you and cheers!

[@SCQT]

lucky fella. I feel bad, i have been so loyal to my LGS over the years, but they have been unable to fulfill my CZ needs and are getting neglected :o(

[@JoshBenware]

I was already leaning towards the shadow 2 on this review. When you said the price at the end, that just sealed the deal on which I would pick. Being a striker fired kinda guy, I think that says something. I think walther is just a little bit too proud with that price point.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Yeah, it’s pretty high up there but an amazing shooter non the less. Thank you and cheers!

[@benjamin3290]

The grip is machined from a solid billet of steel, which is an expensive process

[@sunnantariq723]

What if you had the option to buy the Q5 SF Match at $1100. Would you still be the CZ?

[@JoshBenware]

@@sunnantariq723 I don't remember. This comment is 4 tears old

[@Speed-shooter]

Cz is fantastic. Got both these guns. Nit picking but I have to use the shadow 1 in idpa matches as she shadow 2 doesn’t comply to the weight restrictions. If you shooting ipsc then you should rather go STI. But if I could only have one I’d take the cz and unfortunately not play in idpa. Great review by the way.

[@chineserol]

Over here in Europe the price difference is even larger. The shadow 2 sells at 1200€ while the q5 sf will set you back 1900€!!!

[@KSGunGuy01]

That’s wild! Thank you and cheers!

[@zhukie]

@@KSGunGuy01 Much more in Australia. the S2 comes in at about $1950 but the Walther will be close to 3K when it gets here. No one is going to pay that for a striker Production gun when you could get a tricked out Standard div STI/SVI

[@ivanronin8209]

Why so expensive ? Just a pistol . You could buy a nice rifle for that much cash . I got SAKO rifle for 1400 $ in Canada .

[@ajeffw]

I have owned a shadow 2 for a little over a year now, and love it. Of course I am a hammer fired guy too, and bought a Rami BD for carry. Really like your "if I can only have one" series. Keep up the good content. Thanks.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Although I haven’t tried the Rami yet, I hear great things about it. As for the Shadow 2... it’s amazing. Thank you and cheers!

[@boutique53]

I have an Accu Shadow 2 that I love. I went to the local shop yesterday to look at the Walther with the intention of buying one based on all the positive hype I'd heard. The shop had had both the polymer and SF versions in stock. IMO, the Walther's trigger felt pretty Glock-like. Fairly heavy, lots of creep, kind of gritty, and a long-ish reset. Maybe the grit will smooth out over time - or maybe not. Also, the trigger for both Q5 models felt the same even though the SF version costs almost twice as much. Admittedly all I could do was dry fire them, but I would have expected a better trigger on the SF given the price. To me, the only advantage to the SF version would be reducing muzzle flip during competition shooting. Bottom line is that I went shopping expecting to buy a Walther but ended up walking away. There's no way I'd pick the Q5 SF over my Accu Shadow 2. Maybe someone will start offering trigger upgrades for the Walther. If that happens I might reconsider, but until then I'll stick with my CZ.

[@KSGunGuy01]

It's tough to beat the Shadow2/Accu Shadow. They are amazing firearms for sure. I too was a little disappointed in the SF. It's a nice gun but on the expensive side for what it is. Thank you and cheers!

[@shawnlee5482]

Sti 2011, PPQ Q5 SF and the CZ Shadow 2 are the 3 must own handguns for every gun owner

[@steveb6103]

I'd have to say both are well made. But I have a early CZ-75 so I'm going to say CZ wins for me. I've been doing business with the same place for 30 years and get great deals on guns. My cost for the shadow 2 is $1000. Out the door. There goes the tax return. ;-)

[@KSGunGuy01]

That’s awesome Steve! A great price on the Shadow 2 as well. I’d shop there for sure. Cheers brother!

[@tomothybahamothy]

That's one hell of a deal!

[@JacksonWalter735]

Dang you've been doing business with them for much longer than I've been alive. That's a phenomenal deal! No wonder you've been going to them.

[@SargentRay]

Great video thank's for taking to time to do it and share it with us. I got my S2 yesterday and will try it out this Friday. I decided to go with it after trying it out at the range before Christmas, it was the most balanced gun i ever shot and i was immediately hooked. On the Walther side of things, personally i had one years ago as a side arm and thought it shot very well, but i always preferred hammer over strikers. My view on polymer guns is that they are great as service weapon because of their reliability and low weight, but i always found heavier steel frames rendered a much smoother, agreeable shooting experience. Lastly i must point out contrary to what you said in the video, the S2's rear sight is only elevation adjustable not windage. Again thank you for sharing, god bless.

[@KSGunGuy01]

My pleasure! Congrats on the S2. You’ll love it. I do agree that the balance is amazing. You can adjust the rear wind age but only like a regular sight so yes, you are correct. Thank you and cheers!

[@SargentRay]

@@KSGunGuy01 Oh ok i see what you mean, it's adjustable as in moving the whole sight from side to side, good point, take care and keep em coming i'm a fan :-)

[@mikeO31082]

Mention on the grip for the Walther Q5, Lok Grips makes a slim replacement grip, that removes the hump on the backstrap. Gives it a 1911 profile.

[@spacebear49]

I need to fondle one of those Q5 SF's... Love Walthers. If they offered a rubberized grip with that size and texture (and maybe an M1 mag release) it would be irresistible.

[@KSGunGuy01]

They are definitely sweet shooters! Thank you and cheers!

[@justthinking5295]

The issue with making rubberized grips is that the Grips actually form the slightly raised magazine feed panels that the mags glide down on the inside of the mag channel. No sure if I'm describing it very well but if you took the grips off one you'd see what I mean. Could be done but it would need to be a secondary shot on the mold to over mold the rubber. If you don't like the stock texture(I Love it) then LOK grips makes several different options on machined polymer grips.

[@range-randy8148]

Nice review KS. I love my Shadow 2. Most accurate handgun that I own and so fun to shoot.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Thank you Randy! I agree about the Shadow 2. Cheers as always!

[@cjmoore7240]

GREAT CHOICE! I am a HUGE CZ Fanboy! I buy the Cajun Gun works upgrade kits and polish and upgrade my CZ's. Love them and have 4 different variants! My next wish list pistol regardless of brand is the CZ Shadow 2. Seeing your video only solidifies the wish for a CZ Shadow. As always great video and KEEP ON ROCKING!

[@KSGunGuy01]

That’s awesome CJ! Thank you very much and cheers brother!

[@MiCa7777]

I bet my wife I knew which one you would pick. I won the bet; that's the one I would choose too..... Of course I still paid for dinner and drinks this weekend, hah! 😉 Thanks for the video KS! 👍👍👍

[@KSGunGuy01]

Haha! She has good taste! It's tough to beat the Shadow 2 Mi. Thank you and cheers!

[@Ctdrules56]

Metal over polymer. Hammer over striker. Just looks and feels better.

[@shooterrx971]

Thanks for this video. I love my CZ Shadow 2 but I’m hoping to own the Q5 match SF since I also love the polymer one.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Right on! It’s definitely worth checking out. Thank you and cheers!

[@knelson3145]

Call me shallow but when the choice is this close, I'm going with the prettier gun. I don't even have to shoot the Walther, I could just look at it and be happy.

[@dilldowschwagginz2674]

I think the CZ is better looking. To each his own I guess. The Q5 looks like a scaled up PPQ and that's, uh, alright I guess

[@cory5525]

CZ Shadow 2 is on my short list. Shot a friend's Shadow 2 and loved it but don't have it in the budget right now to buy one. I do own a CZ75 B SA and I am impressed with how it shoots. Way Off topic but you did a video on it is the Canik Combat Elite. Had it to the range with my Q5 Match polymer version. I shot better with the Canik. I think it's the Canik's flat trigger surface which helps correct low left shots. Great video as usual.👍

[@KSGunGuy01]

The Shadow 2 is tough to beat for sure. As for the Canik, it’s a beast and that trigger is crazy good! Thank you and cheers!

[@OriginalFallofMind]

They make a nice straight trigger for the CZ. Converts it to single action only though.

[@cory5525]

@@OriginalFallofMind I definitely perfer single action. If I were to purchase a Shadow 2, I would get a cajun gun works single action trigger and new hammer to convert it to SA.

[@cory5525]

Just picked up a CZ Shadow Tac II and will be selling my Q5 match. The CZ is fantastic. CZ Custom did a hell of a job tuning it up. Best trigger I had the pleasure to shoot.

[@KSGunGuy01]

It's an awesome gun for sure. Thank you and cheers!

[@DaveandDebe]

KS, Thank you! ,this is probably your best overall video, ever. I have been dying to see this comparison. You did it first, the right way. When you factor in price at the end and realize the Q5 is over $500 more than the CZ, its pretty obvious who wins. You can modify the Shadow 2 with half the extra money and have a monster and full- out pro set-up. Including holster and belt. My Shadow 2 has a 5.5lb DA and a 2.0lb SA with little money.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Thank you very much! That really means a lot. Both of these are awesome guns but I agree that at the price point of $1500+, the Q5 may price itself out of the market. Hopefully Walther will change that since its truly a great gun. Cheers as always!

[@zhukie]

@@KSGunGuy01 Yes, no one shooting competition keep the stock Shadow springs; swap both the hammer and recoil springs out for lighter ones and the DA will get near 5lbs and SA about 2-2.5

[@khalilabukabeer815]

I know cz is a great firearms, with a great history, but I don’t know why I couldn’t love them…!!!! All my friends love them except me…!!! I briefer Q5 sf more, thanks for the presentation, as usual awesome

[@oine2575]

the reason behind the q5 match version with no magwell and 15rnd magazines is that so it can be shot in IPSC Produciton division where the magazine capacity is limited to 15rnds and magwells are forbidden.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Very true! Thank you and cheers!

[@zhukie]

@@KSGunGuy01 Too bad the 4.5lb trigger is 1lb too heavy for the new rules then

[@Gimpzomg]

15 round mags are still stupid and not outlawed in Production. You are only allowed to have 15 rounds in the magazines at the start signal. Nothing more, nothing less. Having only 15 rounds makes you juggle rounds or magazines when you want to start with 15+1.

[@oine2575]

Gimpzomg pretty sure ipsc production limit is 15. Dont know about uspsa

[@Gimpzomg]

@@oine2575 It doesn't matter for IPSC production if you are using a 19 or a 15 round magazine. The RO counts your shots anyway. And the rules say that you are not allowed to have access to magazines during the course of fire that are loaded with more than 15 rounds at the start of the beep. So for the LAMR you just put a 16th into your starting magazine, load your gun, et voila - 15 rounds in the magazine. IPSC Handgun rulebook, Appendix D4, 17.2

[@Nonyabusiness911]

Currently considering this exact scenario. I can only shoot the shadow. It’s my first venture into guns. I starting shooting a 22lr a couple months ago and now ready to buy a 9mm. The shadow trigger was so easy to pull that I shot by accident at the target 5-6 times.

[@calebheddy1447]

I've seen that review from other about the touchy trigger

[@mikeq4948]

My CZ 75 DB is my absolute favorite pistol. I certainly plan on Shadow 2 as my next purchase. I've heard nothing but good comments about that pistol from people that have shot it like yourself. Thanks for the video.

[@KSGunGuy01]

That’s awesome! You won’t be sorry with that purchase. Thank you and cheers!

[@justinmsoffe7313]

Very nice Cz, How about cz 92 calibre 6.35 Browning

[@JacksonWalter735]

I don't think you can go wrong with either guns. It really comes down to wether you prefer striker fire or hammer fire since these two are one of the best (if not the best) in their respective category. I don't own either guns, but I have fired both of them and they're excellent. My first gun and the one I use for CC is the Walther PPQ. The Q5 Match SF is just an improvement across the board compared to the PPQ. I was actually looking to buy the CZ Shadow 2 as my second gun until my friend sold me his HK P30 at an unbelievable price. The smooth lines and minimalistic design makes the Shadow 2 one of the most elegant looking, modern handgun I have ever seen. The weight is great for my accuracy and the trigger during SA is unmatched in my opinion. If price wasn't a factor I would get the Shadow 2 for competitive shooting (I'm a sucker for that SA trigger pull), but I would pick the Q5 Match SF for an all around gun. My hands are abnormally massive and the grip, the larger slide/serrations to pull, and the weight distribution across the gun makes the Q5 SF easier to handle. If I'm going to nitpick though, I hate how the magazine of the Q5 looks once you load it into the gun compared to how seamless the Shadow 2's looks.You owe it to yourself to try both guns.

[@Brudof]

The Q5 is the sexiest gun I've ever seen.... just it's too expensive. I bought the shadow 2.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Right on! Thank you and cheers!

[@2d40]

I did as well

[@DB.KOOPER]

Walther makes a fine firearm for sure but... CZ and the SP-01/Shadow are litteraly the most amazing handguns in existance (if they made them and the P-07/09/Scorpion in 10mm I would be completely content). Once you handle and shoot one be ready for your checkbook to hate you for the rest of it's short life. CZ is an addiction with no end in sight...

[@KSGunGuy01]

Very well said indeed! Thank you and cheers!

[@toddfeltman3748]

Whether a gun comes with one magazine or ten, you pay for every single one of them.

[@KSGunGuy01]

At those prices, more mags should be included. They hardly cost anything to make. Thank you and cheers!

[@toddfeltman3748]

KSGunGuy depends on who is making them. If Walther is making them, then yes. If MecGar is doing it...

[@toddfeltman3748]

@Jeremy Jenkins I don't want to argue about what Walther "should" or "shouldn't" be doing, because after all, you can like it or not LoL! Not up to me brother! But you do understand that IF MecGar makes the mags, Walther buys them from MecGar and then includes the price of the extra mags in the total price of the gun, right? I've worked with gun manufacturers in the past to help them determine the number of mags and their pricing. In fact, I gotta run, one just texted me.

[@KSGunGuy01]

I understand but the Q5 is overpriced so a few extra mags would be the least they could do.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Well said.

[@PierreKerbage]

GREAT VIDEO! Thank you!!!! If you thought the CZ Shadow 2 was excellent, wait till you try the CZ Tactical Sports Orange (which is more in line in price with the Q5 Match Pro) and both can take an optional optical red dot (The CZ though requires you to purchase an L bracket from them for around $95). The CZ TSO has a sub 1 Kilo trigger making it incredible.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Thank you. I actually have a TSO and have a review on it. It’s an amazing gun for sure. Cheers!

[@PierreKerbage]

@@KSGunGuy01 Thank you! I truly am an admirer of your shop, and your Videos. No loud music while you are speaking, you script everything prior to the production (so no mumble), you get to the point immediately, you have a great balance between specs and shooting, and best of all, you are very fair in your reviews giving everything a fair "shake". I sincerely appreciate the hard work that goes into doing these. Thank you again!

[@KSGunGuy01]

Much appreciated my friend!

[@tomasqtomas]

Do you mean that the S2 Orange is optic ready? I’m about to buy a S2 and I between the Orange and the OR, I almost decided to buy the OR because I want to try a red dot but if the Orange is OR too probably is a better idea buying it no matter paying much more

[@PierreKerbage]

@@tomasqtomas The CZ Tactical Sports Orange can have an RMR mounted with the optional L Bracket (for about $90). The L bracket mounts on the FRAME not on the slide - so when the slide recycles, your Red Dot stays static/stable - and so the recovery (if you shoot competition like I do) is far faster. cajungunworks.com/product/tactical-sport-orange-rmr-sro-optic-mount/

[@henryliang1091]

Awesome Video! Thank you for making this. Q5 wins my vote. Reasons being: 1. It is RMR ready. So for the folks planning to shoot competition with iron sights for now and switch to CO when their eyes getting older, they don't have to switch gun or have the slide milled. 2. For another $150 or so, you can upgrade to the Apex flat faced trigger. I owned a PPQ M2 4" for over a year and now own 2 S&W M&P 2.0s, both with Apex flat faced trigger. The latter is definitely an improvement over the stock PPQ trigger. 3. If you shoot USPSA production, you don't have to get used to that 8.5lbs DA trigger pull. 4. The 42 oz weight makes it IDPA legal. So folks that shoot both USPSA and IDPA can stick to the same platform.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Very good points! The Walther is definitely a great gun. Thank you and cheers!

[@Strife2101]

Apex does not make a trigger for the SF version of the Q5, however Overwatch Precision does and its amazing.

[@milehighed52801]

Both high quality pistols from top notch manufacturers. As you pointed out KS, price does weigh in. So if everything else is equal, the Shadow 2 wins. But in the end it's all about which one fits best and you can shoot best. Great review and very nice shooting, KS! 😎👍🏻🇺🇸💥

[@KSGunGuy01]

Very well said Milehigh! Both are tons of fun but it’s tough to beat the S2. Thank you and cheers!

[@ronincato275]

Excellent review of two interesting pistols that are on everyone’s list!

[@KSGunGuy01]

Thank you and they are great guns for sure! Cheers!

[@sclegalcarry7979]

I shot with a guy that took 3rd in the USPSA in NC this weekend. He had the Q5 steel frame. It was so super fast in his hands and he had no issues that Q5 it was smoking hot all day.

[@KSGunGuy01]

It’s an incredible shooter for sure! Thank you and cheers!

[@gearrunner]

I’ve been thinking about adding a Shadow 2 to the collection and to review. I’ve really grown to love my CZs. The ones I own and have shot have always just been soft shooters.

[@KSGunGuy01]

That’s awesome! Great channel by the way. Thank you and cheers!

[@gearrunner]

KSGunGuy Thank you, I appreciate it.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Anytime!

[@romans6two338]

Although I am not a competition shooter I would go with the CZ. I actually held one the other day and I was amazed at the SA trigger on it. It's so heavy I could imagine the recoil is like a .22. I have never owned a Walther, but always wanted the PPK.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Well said Romans! I do agree that the recoil is hardly anything. Thank you and cheers!

[@BrassJunkie]

The PPK is dead sexy but to be honest, I own one and for me it’s not much fun to shoot. It sits out more range trips than just about any other gun I own.

[@romans6two338]

@@BrassJunkie What do you not like about it that you mostly don't shoot it?

[@BrassJunkie]

Romans 6two3, For an all steel 380 the recoil is pretty snappy, when you combine that with all of its sharp edges it beats your hand up more than you would expect. It’s not terrible but after 50 rounds or so the edge of the beaver tail rubs my thumb knuckle pretty raw. I’m planning on giving mine a carry melt treatment/ dehorn and see if it helps.

[@romans6two338]

@@BrassJunkie That does sound brutal. It does have the cool factor of being 007's firearm. I think they may have round out the new ones Walther is putting out. I would like one, but at $600, I don't see that happening anytime soon. It is a beautiful pistol though. Enjoy.

[@jimblackbird5678]

Great video! I’m a PPQ fan having the M1 version both in 4” and 5”. I’ll wait for the M1 version of the Q5 Match SF.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Thank you! I haven’t heard that they’re doing an M1 but that would be very cool. Cheers!

[@kenwingo4862]

I love the CZ looks and feel.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Me too! Thank you and cheers!

[@bdoc2333]

I have fired both guns and currently own a Q5 with about 15,000 rounds through it. The gun has been flawless. I have been really torn between a Q5 SF and a S2. I have a different take on each gun than you though. First, the Q5 SF is already milled for a red dot. That’s a major advantage. This makes the guns to me the same price. If you were to mill a S2 you have a lot fewer options. On the other hand, I think the S2 has a better trigger and can be turned into an amazing gun by sending it to Cajon Gun works and investing another $600 in it. You can’t do much more to the Q5. Walther has just released new competition trigger upgrades. I am waiting until I can test one out before I decide.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Right on Doc! Thank you and cheers!

[@tennesseeron1297]

I have the polymer Q5 match with a Leupold Delta Pro optic. Shooting it is almost like cheating. The ergos and accuracy make a truly fun experience. I understand the extra weight advantages, and usually prefer more metal in my range pistols, but my plastic Walther Q5 is amazing, and will be in my arsenal for a long, long time. I hope to test drive the CZ and the Q5 SF some day......

[@KSGunGuy01]

That’s awesome! I enjoyed testing the poly version. I do recommend trying the others when you get a chance. Both are very good shooters in their own right. Thank you and cheers!

[@Sewermonkey69]

That thumbnail 🤤 those are both some sexy looking guns! I haven’t even seen in person either of these but I’m a CZ fan boy. With that said, I’d probably pick the Walther. Lol

[@KSGunGuy01]

Thank you very much and the Walther is a great gun indeed! Cheers!

[@fumasterchu12]

That SF Q5 does look pretty sweet, but not for that price tag. I love my Q5 and I think it's trigger is a little better than the SF model. As I just got my Shadow 2 recently, and only have 3 mags through it I'm not as proficient with it. However, the first mag I put through it I didn't even have a miss at 15-16 yards. I would choose the S2 all day. Great comparison brother, have a safe and awesome weekend!

[@KSGunGuy01]

The Q5 poly is a great gun Fu! That said, it’s tough to beat the Shadow 2. Thank you and cheers brother!

[@FlyboyUS]

Shot both guns without any question of a doubt the CZ Shadow 2 I picked mine up for just over a grand on gun brokers and it's by far the best gun I ever owned and when I take my other guns shooting, I always bring it with and ahoot a box of ammo because it's so damn accurate and fun to shoot.

[@goretro77hobbies]

You can easily swap out the trigger spring on the Q5 Match to bring down the trigger pull to 3.x pounds.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Very true! Thank you and cheers!

[@lambda2141]

Looking for a new 9mm gun at the moment. Will have a look at both. Why maybe the Q5 is my "favorite" is because it is completely usable for left-handed shooters.

[@thomasrussell7135]

be aware that swapping the mag release is reportedly a pita with possibility of breaking the mag release. I will be swapping mine once I get it figured out

[@lambda2141]

@@thomasrussell7135 I already got mine. Since July 2020 it's a Shadow 2 and the change of the mag release from right handed to left handed was absolutely easy.

[@onpsxmember]

11:56...Right out of the box for 1900€ (SF Champion version) , the Expert is 2150€. If you want to compare the two, it should be compared to the Shadow 2 OR on the price point. What's nice is that the Walther comes with all the adapter plates. Having work done on the Q5 trigger might force you to send it to Walther. Without the optic ready option, the Shadow 2 is 450€ cheaper. That buys lots of ammo, different iron sights/night sights and a magwell + grip plates if need be. The OR version is still 200€ cheaper, enough to soften the blow on the Optics. Thx for the video.

[@MrBlompod]

Awesome review thank you 🙏🏼 I’d go the Q5 if just for its wicked look 😲

[@KSGunGuy01]

That's awesome! Thank you and cheers!

[@rinootkjr5801]

Shadow 2 is a great gun, I also have the Sig Sauer 226 LDC and I cant say I feel big difference of the lov borax on the CZ Shadow .Enny one with feedback on this subjekt?

[@jrshort138]

THANK YOU! Another great review.....as always...

[@KSGunGuy01]

Thank you very much! Cheers!

[@ilift45s81]

Great video!!!! I have Sig Legions that were worked over by Rick Holm at Lazy Wolf Guns. I have the Brigadier and Centurion 92’s from Wilson Combat. I bought a Taran Tactical Glock 34 John Wick clone. I bought this Shadow 2 in September and had it sent back to their custom shop for the work up. Three words when I got it back. It’s mind blowing!! Absolutely one of the best pistols I’ve ever shot. Complete Death Ray. Put the dot on whatever you want to hit and it goes there. I’m picking up the CZ Checkmate in a few weeks. I’ve heard that’s suppose to be the Shadow 2 and TSO all rolled up into one. I cannot wait to get it.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Thank you very much! Those Legions sound awesome. Great guns for sure. I love the G34 as well. I have no doubt that the custom shop S2 is a beast! Cheers!

[@ilift45s81]

KSGunGuy Trying to get a long slide for my VP9 ‘s. Hopefully you get one and do a review. Keep putting out the great reviews.

[@KSGunGuy01]

I’m on the lookout for it!

[@maxmin8903]

CZ is the way to go, although I have a feeling with some time Walther will find massive following and support.. but to me as a competitor, S2 has an incredible advantage - spare parts and tuning parts... almost every single gun store has mags, grip panels, holsters, recoil springs, pins etc. And some of these parts are not as expensive as the competition /given that you can use 99% of parts for CZ 75 or SP01/. So CZ for now, but i´d keep my watch on this bad boy...

[@KSGunGuy01]

Right on! I do agree that it will be interesting to see how the Walther does long term. Thank you and cheers!

[@christopherphillips5027]

For competition the shadow2 is best for the production class it was designed for this purpose go with it for USPSA and have an edge in the category. For idpa advance open matches get the polymer q5 match so you make weight and put an optic on it and compete in the open category . Mainly because the q5 steel won’t make weight for idpa. My two cents.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Very good points! Thank you and cheers!

[@davidsawyer6003]

For me Walther ergonomics are hard to compete with. I would like to try out the Shadow though. In the end I would go for the polymer Walther.

[@oceaser6977]

I gave a polymer Q5 with the Euro style mag drop. I plan to sell it and buy the SF Q5

[@stevenotto2581]

"only have one......". LMAO!!!

[@mlevans066]

If you didn’t like this vid... then it depended on your mileage. LOL I enjoyed it.

[@gary-s6t]

I am a Q5 SF owner since one week now. I had both on my shortlist and I knew that at this level there will not be much difference. Found the CZ trigger slightly better but finally decided to go for the Q5 SF with Expert trigger due to its appearance, the grip that fitted my hand a little better and the slightly lower weight.

[@SigSourP229]

I’ve got the Q4 SF optic ready and the SP-01 Shadow.I like the CZ the most. It’s more customizable compared to the Walter and cheaper initially($900 base Shadow 1vs $1400 Q4/Q5 SF). However, I think an optic on my Q4 may cause me change my mind, lol.

[@sunnantariq723]

I just got into guns and REALLY LIKED the feel of the Q4 SF so I wanted to buy that and the CZ Shadow 2 but in the process I found a Wather Q5 SF match New for $1100. Getting a Q4 seems redundant so after reading this I will probably buy the CZ SP-01

[@danoneill2846]

@4:55 that is one reason I like Stainless Steel guns , you can clean them up & not mess up the finish .

[@KSGunGuy01]

Well said Dan! Thank you and cheers!

[@wpymes]

I own a CZ Shadow 2 and also a Sig X5 Legion which was OR so i installed a Romeo 1 sight. When I shoot them both, th Sig is a little lighter and excels in accuracy beyond 20 yds. The strong point of the CZ is the feel inside my hand, grip and recoil are fantastic. So, if i had to keep only one, i probably wouldnt!

[@redcat9436]

I went with the Walther. The Q5 SF is a great pistol.

[@Cgrazi]

Just got one. It’s quite nice

[@kbar3618]

Great comparison! Having a CZC/CGW Shadow 2 is or should be a bucket list item for any enthusiast. It is a phenomenal pistol and is easily the most reliable firearm I have seen. I couldn’t justify the money for the Q5.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Thank you! It’s truly tough to beat the Shadow 2. Just an awesome gun. Cheers!

[@sunnantariq723]

What if you could get it the Q5 SF pro for $1100?

[@KeanonGilliamSlang369]

Very nice comparison. I like them both but I'm leaning toward the Shadow 2, love shooting mine. I really didn't know those firearms had that much weight difference.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Thank you Keanon! Yeah, there is really quite a difference between them. Cheers brother!

[@000one]

watch Just a different spin on a guy that loves the Q5. He compares it to a $4k Sig Legion Xcomp gun he owns

[@mp40jager]

I have Glocks, Colts, Caniks, and I love my Shadow 2, but you should check out the Canik SFX. With a lighter spring set it is very accurate and 3.5 pound trigger. I also have a CZ IPSC Standard that the pull is under 2 pounds. Now that, is a magical gun.

[@jerrydembrosky5429]

I absolutely love my Canik TP9 SF elite combat, Salient arms did an amazing job.

[@roul3688]

The PPQ and the CZ75 are my 2 favorite platforms... What a tough comparison.

[@Blackhawk556.]

roul3688 i always thought cz75 were very ugly guns. I was at a gun store one day and asked to hold one just to see what all to hype was about. I had no intention of even asking about it when i walked into the store. The second i held that gun I said inside my head, “Oh my goodness” The ergonomics were extremely unbelievable. I rushed home and got put my XD for sale. I sold it right away and ended up buying the SP-01. That was about 7 years ago. As of today, that gun is still my favorite. I would like to buy the A01 but in CA, that is not an option.

[@roul3688]

Blackhawk556 CZ has nailed the ergonomics down for sure. The PPQ is equally ergonomic. You got to get out of Cali or convince your fellow citizens to vote for better politicians.

[@mi777ke777]

@@Blackhawk556. same happened to me a couple weeks ago! Although I've always thought CZ's were good looking pistols until I got it in my hand is when I fell in love. As a Glock guy for several years it already has surpassed my favorites from them. The SA/DA is just fantastic and spoiled it for me with other firearms.

[@GhostDragn]

Great video, very fair, as a Walther owner you did great. Thanks

[@DanielMartinez-lz3ot]

when did 40 oz. become to heavy to carry? close to the same weight as my old 1911.

[@KSGunGuy01]

I agree but to many, it’s a chunk. Thank you and cheers!

[@xyz7975]

I mean the curved edge of smooth metal bothered him so.... 40 oz is probably a brick in his hand.

[@scottf.3808]

A pair of beauties no matter how you slice the pie....I am too cheap to own either....LOL....thanks for the good info and comparison....Good stuff....

[@Asghaad]

ah cmon, i own the S2 and i make around 1/3rd of the MINIMUM WAGE worker in the US ... and the guns cost around 30% MORE (i payd +- $1350 for my S2 ...) here... if i can save up for it im pretty sure some bloke in US making WAY more than i do can too ... :)

[@scottf.3808]

@@Asghaad Like I say too cheap as not interested in those guns to be safe queens....LOL...Yes, I would rather put that money to good use somewhere else...thanks....

[@KSGunGuy01]

I agree Scott! Thank you and cheers!

[@tjblackbauer9997]

CH Precision makes an optic adapter plate with a built in rear sight for the Q5 so that you can co-witness.

[@danielkim672]

I want to definitely try the Q5 match after watching this, but IMO, nothing beats the Shadow 2 for me for the price of it.

[@carfreak290]

x2 the shadow2 is the finest piece of hardware i have held. granted i havent held many 1500+ pistols it blows me away every time i pick it up. i sprung for custom shop shadow2 "orange" as i was treating myself for my birthday, but such an amazing piece.

[@diegoconde2728]

The shadow rocks 👍👍 excellent review and great video. Subscribed

[@joquin4618]

Yes!!! I’ve been waiting for this!! Thanks ks!

[@KSGunGuy01]

Glad to do it Jo! Thank you and cheers!

[@christopherwalker4924]

Excellent review and I agree with your assessment.

[@jasestrong]

Great video much more the speed instead of the unboxing format. I know the CZ is too heavy for IDPA. Is the Walther able to make IDPA size?

[@chewminem2044]

I saw the title. Clicked like immediately 👍🏼

[@TimothyLyons84]

I am new to the whole shooting world. Though not new to the gun world in general. I think it comes down to what you pick up and what you fall in love with. Both of these guns are equally well designed and shoot. For me im going q5 sf. I couldn't picture having a different competition pistol but thats the first gun i picked up at that level. For me its the best for someone else it maybe the CZ. When your talking this level its nuances and some nostalgia that makes the difference.

[@twesj]

My brother has the Q5 steel frame and I have the shadow 2. I prefer the Shadow 2 and the Kadet kit is a really nice feature. I bought a Q5 polymer just because though.

[@mohawkdriver4155]

With these two, I cannot choose just one; I must have both.

[@KSGunGuy01]

And both you shall have! Thank you and cheers!

[@savirien4266]

The only thing better than a cz75 for competition is a 2011. After you put something like a Cajun gun works pro kit into the cz and get a good polish job, that trigger just becomes far superior to anything out of a striker gun.

[@stanleybrowning9300]

Do you have short, Average, or long fingers? Reason I ask. I have small hands with short fingers. So wonder if Shadow 2 would work for small hand small fingered people.

[@brandonhope4887]

It should. I have small hands and it fits my hand like a glove. I haven't had the chance to shoot it but I was thinking about buying one after all the research iv done

[@bonesman7021]

Nice review but I knew the CZ would win out the moment you mentioned your personal experience w/ Walther's beaver tail. Thanks for the comparison!

[@KSGunGuy01]

Yeah, the CZ just sits so well in the hand. Thank you and cheers!

[@dabopper1]

great video.......what about the CZ Accu Shadow 2? I think that could be considered the "pro-version" of the Shadow 2. Based on the results of this vid, it sounds like your preference would be for the CZ Accu Shadow 2 as well (higher $$$ though). Thanks

[@ChrisB-zz8dh]

The CZ Shadow 2 hands down. Would like to have both of them though. Beautiful pistols.

[@aymanjoudar5425]

I love both, they look awesome, but not sure if the Mrs would be happy spending that much for pistols, she does not like guns at all!

[@bonoandlavin]

Oof... this is a title I totally cannot miss at all! Thanks for doing this.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Thank you very much Bono! Cheers!

[@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017]

Have you tried the Walther Dynamic Performance trigger? I hear it is a vast improvement.

[@sypherian1982]

I'm soon starting my journey in shooting hopefully moving towards comp at some point. I'm so divided between Walther, CZ and SIG at the moment, I will have a try out with the Shadow 2 and Sig X-five in the 1st weekend of November they are modified a bit so it will not be a "stock" gun but it will give me a bit of an idea, hopefully some one there has the Q5 match and I can then make a choice based on the experience

[@DarthWolfen077]

CZ TS2... 48.5oz of pure greatness and a 3lbs trigger pull to make it the Ferrari of Competition pistols. Q5 SF is a 2nd extremely close in features and handling... good thing I have both

[@timw911]

there is a reason the shadow/shadow 2 dominate production division competions at the top levels. When it comes to comp more weight = good as does high grip low bore. Plastic guns are great for carry but will always take a back seat to all steel guns in comp. Not to mention comparing best of best no striker fired trigger will ever beat a hammer fire trigger. Again best of best comparison. There is a reason guns like full custom 1911 and CZ TSO/CMates SOA guns are renowned for some of the best triggers bar none in industry. No glock SW MP etcc will ever match a top trigger of those even with the best tuned apex etc custom of your choice parts. They are carry designs with weight and cost as a major influence in design. Hammer fired like these are about old school parts fitting and what is the best geometry from the ground up with cost and weight coming in down the line. I love my fully customized MP 9 Pro CORE with barsto threaded gunsmith barrel and fully polished APEX Alum Flat Forward Set Trigger kit and all other APEX parts upgrade. Still it can not hold a candle to a CZ Shadow 2 let alone a accu shadow 2 or even more improvement a CZ TSO. Just a totally different league they were never meant to compete against and can not in terms of the gun it self. Its a good thiing the most critical part in comps is the driver not the stick.

[@KSGunGuy01]

Well said! Thank you and cheers!