D&D Sorcerer 5e - Go to Spells for Tier 1

[@Nerdarchy]

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[@clarkside4493]

I love that you guys are playing around more in the intros.

[@Nerdarchy]

We do something if we have an idea that amuses us, but don't try to force it. Nerdarchist Dave

[@clarkside4493]

@@Nerdarchy Keep it up, you're doing a pretty enjoyable job!

[@knightghaleon]

I love putting the Dragon Breath of familiars and ranger pets. Nothing like when the bear and the warlock imp help you create a kill box to back up the melee fighters.

[@Nerdarchy]

Fantastic idea. Nerdarchist Dave

[@knightghaleon]

@@PyramidPug If you have a Druid that likes to summon things, you can have an have fire-breathing birds, raccoons, turtles, whatever you want.

[@brentfine1829]

So, the urchin background gives you a pet mouse.... could you give your mouse dragon breath? The enemy would never see that coming!

[@jasonmurray4034]

Oh my lord, genius!

[@knightghaleon]

@@brentfine1829 Imagine later in the campaign when a druid awakens an animal and it is far more tactically minded.

[@johnharrison2086]

I agree that Chaos Bolt should be the iconic spell as it is class specific. Draconic Sorcerers have no use for Mage Armour. Not when you only have 15 different spells available.

[@Lunas2525]

mage armor is also less useful when you get elven chain or the feat dragon hide for people who play dragonborn... (dont do it there are 1000 better options dragonborn are the biggest joke of 5th ed. if you must do it at least talk your dm into doing Half Dragon it is in the Monster manual better all around than Dragonborn.)

[@Lunas2525]

i see the potential merit to chaos bolt you can twin it and potentially have it shot gun a room however that relies on either skills to alter dice rolls or luck i mean honestly how often are double 7s going to come up or double any pair of d8 and you dont get to pick damage type what happens if the target has a resistance or immunity to a type and that is what comes up waste of a slot if you ask me. better off with chromatic orb in this case 3d8 with dealers choice of element scales up adding more d8 per level it is also twin able only issue i can see vs chaos bolt is reduced range of 90 vs 120

[@Lunas2525]

Go to spells... Magic Missile, mage armor, Shield, sleep, ray of Sickness, Scorching Ray, Darkness, invisibility, Knock, Mirror Image, fireball, lightning bolt, Haste.

[@SpidermanandhisAmazingFriends]

When the production budget goes from $1 to $5. 🤣 Love you guys!

[@mikegould6590]

Meta: Quicken and Twin. Every time. And yes, so long as they’re used on two different spells, you can use them in the same turn Fire Bolt. Every time. Free, scales, ignites. Mage Armor. Eight hours, no concentration, +3 AC Alter Self. Aquatic movement, built in natural weapons that are magic, and you’re a Doppleganger. Detect Illusion won’t work, and touching the target won’t reveal the change. Chaos Bolt. I had to. This can be multiple damage types and it can chain. And Ted, consider Subtle if you think you might be captured. Bound and gagged you can still cast spells.

[@44tuck3r]

Get a haircut Dave?

[@Canadian_Ry]

0:53 Was that a Monty Python reference?? Bonus points!

[@kaleocardoza8486]

Yes! I noticed that

[@M0ebius]

I consider Shield a must have even in tier 1.

[@SpidermanandhisAmazingFriends]

There is no tier that isn't helped by shield

[@fortunatus1]

Unfortunately, Mage Armor, Shield, and Absorb Elements all seem like must haves. That's 3 of your 15 total spells! Better hope you have a kind DM who gives you a Staff of Defense so you can exchange Shield and Mage Armor for something else.

[@M0ebius]

Brian F. Absorb Element you can swap for later since there aren’t a lot of energy attacks in tier 1. But to be honest I just dip Hexblade whenever I roll Sorcerer.

[@SolarFlairIsBestPony]

What's a 'must' have depends on your party and your subclass. Shadow sorcerer has some decent built in defenses, Divine Soul (good) can cure it's wounds. High AC is nice, but it's only one of several defenses, eh? If you've got a high constitution and the right spells it's less of a focus.

[@M0ebius]

SolarFlair Generally I am assuming a combat focused campaign with 6-8 encounters per adventuring day as prescribed by the book as the baseline. In that scenario defense is absolutely crucial for unarmored casters, and burning spell slots on Cure Wounds will never out pace the damage you receive, especially if your DM plays tactically and have no reservations about targetting casters. But you’re right that what is optimal varies from table to table. Mine for instance a Hexblade dip for armor is absolutely essential for any Sorcerer or Bard if you expect to survive. Another table might have fun just roleplaying the entire session and never worry about dying. If you’re somewhere in between, Shield is an excellent tool in your kit, and Mirror Image should also be strongly considered.

[@danielhuelsman76]

Cool idea for a sorcerer; Step 1. Throw dart. Step 2. Quickened Spell Step 3. Enlarge dart Results in large darts impaling baddies and pinning them to walls.

[@kmdsummon]

By momentum conservation law, enlarged dart will fly significantly slower, proportionally to mass enlarged.

[@danielhuelsman76]

@@kmdsummon What if you threw them in an arch and use the spell at their zenith and let gravity do the rest?

[@kmdsummon]

@@danielhuelsman76 That would indeed work, but it would be hard to hit the target though. The idea is, actually, great and I will try it next time if you don't mind, of course.

[@danielhuelsman76]

@@kmdsummon Sure, go ahead. But what do you mean by hard to hit? You just made the dart bigger, wouldn't that sort of break even?

[@kmdsummon]

@@danielhuelsman76 well, if you enlarge a dart to size of a building, then, probably it would be very easy to hit. Just throw dart over the enemy and enlarge it when it is above your enemy and it will fall almost straight down. But enlarge spell enlarges by size only 2x and 8x by mass, so horizontal velocity will decrease by 8, which is still large enough compared to the size making it trajectory change unpredictable unless you've had train that combo for years.

[@Aequilix]

Nice video. Suggestion is my choice spell for Sorcerers. With such few spells known, Sorcerers need spells that can cover a wide array of uses. And so long as your DM isn't a stickler, Suggestion does just that. It can sway social situations in your favor, it can get enemies to back off or stay out of the fight, etc. Has many uses. But aside from that, I think Sorcerers are the best users of this spell because: A) Subtle Spell cast it. Literally nobody will ever know. B) They can twin it to affect two people instead of one, potentially. For my list I'd probably bump Shield > Mage Armor tbh. At least for those very early levels, then grab Mage Armor if you aren't Draconic.

[@bronzieblue63]

Personally, I think Catapult is overlooked or not fully utilized as a spell, (at least among my groups). Mainly because it is an excellent Offensive/Supportive spell for Pyromancers. Flasks of Oil cost only 1SP and weighs 1lb. As such, they can be used in conjunction with the Catapult spell instead of the vastly inferior options of "Oh, just take a loose rock out of the wall and fling it at him," or "Oh, I burn my Action to splash him with the Oil so that on my next turn, I can Fire Bolt it." It's 3d8 Damage that allows you to not waste a turn splashing some poor guy with Oil. Think of it like this. With One spell slot, and without using Catapult with the Flask of Oil: Turn 1: Go within 20ft of the target to make an attack roll (with something that doesn't deal damage at first) with the Flask as an Improvised Weapon (of course meaning that it is immediately less than ideal because you are using a Physical stat instead of your spellcasting Modifier AND it's without your Proficiency Bonus). Turn 2: Cast Burning Hands which now deals 3d6+5 Damage (Average: 14) Total Average Damage: 14 That's pretty poor in terms of damage output for Two turns, let's switch it around by combining Catapult with Firebolt with that Flask of Oil interaction. With One Spell Slot and Catapult Interacting with the Flask of Oil: 3d8 Bludgeoning (Average: 12) 1d10+5 Fire Damage (Average: 10) Total Average Damage: 22 As you can see, the Average Damage spiked by 8 points, with the same number of Actions used, and with the same resource expenditures (I am officially sounding like a DnD businessman). But yeah, it can do a lot of cool things too if you think outside of the box, I've just only thought of that in particular since it can be helpful for your allies to interact with if they have any Fire damage spells.

[@lord6617]

Or use silver coins. Or use bags of caltrops or ball bearings. Or use it with a grappling hook.

[@Draco_WarriorEX]

I am using Catapult with a 5 lb bag of 50 caltrops, and roll 5d10 to determine how many caltrops hit the enemy, 1 point of damage per caltrop.

[@alanschaub147]

Make spherical clay jars (to shatter on contact) filled with a smaller spherical flask of alchemical fire. Between the two are silver-coated caltrops suspended in oil. Catapult that! An alternative might be clay jars filled with holy water and silver-coated caltrops. Welcome to Bavaria!

[@Philosophocat]

Neat haircut Dave! Cool intro guys! Solid video as always!

[@8jgonz]

All right, Dave looks sharp with his Gladiator-style hair cut...he's ready for battle! Great video...I am an old Gen 1 AD&D player, who just started playing D&D 5E with my kids...the way classes are managed now is new to me, so I enjoy watching/reading tips on how to use classes that we didn't have back in the early 80's.

[@joshualinley4417]

My pal is starting a SKT campaign, so I decided to try Giant Soul Sorcerer from the UA. Because you get a few extra spells known from this bloodline, this video is both timely and helpful for me. Thanks guys!

[@blazeapleos]

Crawford has said that Dragons Breath isn’t twinnable.... I don’t like it but it’s his stance

[@Nerdarchy]

Oh well can't win them all. I'd allow it. Nerdarchist Dave

[@knightghaleon]

He realized the power of having two flying familiars/summoned creatures being mobile flamethrowers might make combat easy.

[@johnharrison2086]

I would argue that Chaos Bolt is. The duration is Instantaneous and it targets one creature IN THAT INSTANT. The secondary effect of bouncing to another creature is irrelevant because during the casting time the spell is INCAPABLE of targeting another creature. The same argument could be made for Ice Knife. Crawford has proven inconsistent (see his completely contradictory versions of Shield Master Shove) so I don't acknowledge his input outside of what is written in the core rulebooks. No UA or Twitter comments as rulings at my table! Consequently feel free to twin Dragon Breath.

[@M0ebius]

Levant Yes Twin Dragon’s Breath + flying familiars completely breaks the game in tier 1, and remains really strong well into tier 2. On my Sorlock it basically negated the need for Fireball and greatly mitigated my delayed progression.

[@knightghaleon]

@@M0ebius With Dragon Breath, you don't need Fireball so long as you can protect the flyers. Though as a DM, I'd have an archer that those flyers would have to deal with before they got dropped. Especially in Tier 1 when your druid/summoner can only summon maybe CR1 max monsters. I mean you could have a party of sorcerers and one druid, druid summons pixies, twin dragon breath on as many as you can, and its just dancing flames everywhere.

[@sirachxi3918]

so with chaos bolt and a ton of luck a 1lvl sorc can drop the whole kolbot army?

[@GoodOldGamer]

Every time you mention it's Ted's basement, I can't help but think there's chains and torture devices behind the bookshelf lol.

[@MrWeedy-hh4mg]

How do you think he makes sure his players stay long enough?

[@shannonmcstormy5021]

That was a cute special effect/comic intro bit. Very cool. Funny.

[@energyfitness5116]

"Bobby, i play Sorcerer, and Sorcerer accessories. " Attack spell: Scorching Ray - def if you want to dip Warlock. Dragons Breath forces you to get close to the action, unless you use a familiar/hireling. Buff: Darkvision is ok if the party/campaign demand it, but Levitate is Buff and Control Iconic: Sleep or Web Defense: Mage Armor or Shield Utility: Maximilian's Nerd Grabber + Quicken Minor Illusion to shut down enemy casters/archers. Can help the frontline in combat. Use it to grab things across the room and 'inchworm' them to you. Overlooked: Mirror Image-actually protects the party a little by giving enemies more targets/Fog Cloud - if facing lots of ranged

[@bal_95]

This vid was rly helpful, appreciate it, I’m not the most experienced in playing casters lol

[@notorious.scoundrel]

I didn't know I needed that intro in my life

[@kilgoretrout7389]

Wow. Dave got a hair cut and a beard trim.

[@JackThrowerofPrinnys]

I used subtle with dragon breath to secretly buff a character that was going into a 1v1 duel. It unfortunately triggered a wild surge fireball lol. Luckily I was a fire genasi and the party saved and the enemies did not xD

[@SolarFlairIsBestPony]

Subtle AND Wild? You're an interesting one XD

[@JackThrowerofPrinnys]

@@SolarFlairIsBestPony Well she was a fire genasi and I liked the idea of large amounts of fire appearing outta nowhere

[@vinx.909]

chaos bolt can also be twinned: chaos bolt: at ONE CREATURE in range. Twinned Spell : a spell that targets only ONE CREATURE. if you are using spell points this is particularly great, now with the same cost of a second level spell you can double the damage.

[@devin5201]

Say, what would happen if you enlarge a max size creature? or vice versa with an itty bitty creature?

[@Nerdarchy]

Everything but the category change. Nerdarchist Dave

[@brentfine1829]

Homebrew new size categories? Gargantuan and Micro?

[@ticozayas6430]

best opening bit you guys have done yet!

[@Mr911superstar]

With enhance ability, I wish they would have added something to the final 3 options, eve if it were superficial or less powerful than the other options

[@M0ebius]

Enhanced Ability is good on a prepared spell caster, but not really worth it on a Sorcerer who only learns about 15 spells. If your party have access to Guidance and use the Help Action during skill checks whenever possible, you really don’t need it.

[@smilingbear7430]

while the DM can always rule otherwise, jeremy crawford has said that you cannot twin dragons breath. EDIT : I am not trying to say anyone is wrong one way or the other, i personally allow this in my games, but if anyone is interested in the ruling and reason why, here is the link : www.sageadvice.eu/2018/12/22/is-is-possible-to-twin-spell-booming-blade/

[@heathenwizard]

Smilingbear which is a load of bullshit. It sounds fun to target two friends and have them breathe fire.

[@zachleming]

Yeah it's broken but I let my sorcerer twin almost any spell. I also don't think he's allowed to quicken a cantrip but who cares he doesn't do crazy damage so I let him have it

[@SolarFlairIsBestPony]

You can quicken cantrips, they just cost 1 sorcery point, just like a level 1 spell does.

[@TheCanadianLord]

I personally think that subtle spell is the best metamagic, let's you cast from stealth, and let's you do some nice clandestine work, giving away no signs that you're the one who just cast Reduce on the king. or Actually casually casting suggestion on someone (since, the suggestion is not the verbal component, it comes after.) as to offensive magics, I'd point you at Shaowblade. Sorcerers get proficiency in Con saves to maintain it. and if you twincast it you could have one in each hand. attacking twice with it is better than casting at a higher level anyways. it does good damage, an if you're a Shadow Sorcerer, it's also super thematic. also, Darkvision is better than stock darkvision, since that ability almost always limits you to seeing in black and white. the spell lets you see in color.

[@nikossalonica9339]

You cant really twin shadow blade since it doesnt target a creature.

[@jacobyspurnger8488]

Where is animate objects? Turn rocks into flying daggers or make that chest full of treasure follow you like a puppy out of the dungeon

[@dracoargentum9783]

At 5th level, Animate isn't a Tier 1 spell.

[@SolarFlairIsBestPony]

Here's the trick with Dragon's Breath and Meta Magic. A lot of the options say 'when you cast'. Including Careful and Distant Spell. So, what Distant does with Dragon's Breath is let you target someone 30 feet away to inherit the ability to breathe damage. The range of the cone itself does not change at all. Careful on the other hand does absolutely nothing, as the save comes after the casting, when the breather uses their action. Twinned however is an excellent use. Distant can be too, if you're trying to aid someone distant or do something surprising. Of course if you have a familiar you can cast your touch spell up to 100 feet away. A lot of sorcerers might consider getting their hands on that, so it's worth noting. Really, I don't think anything prevents you Twinning Dragon's Breath for your familiar and the touch-y, actually. Worth noting, Subtle Spell works on just about any spell. It just doesn't remove the material part. So you could be holding a pepper and cast this giving no other sign at all. And actually I'm not 100% sure Empowered Spell doesn't work. It might? It says when YOU roll damage for a spell. If you're the one doing the breathing it might work. It's a grey area.

[@M0ebius]

Twinned Spell is confirmed to officially not work with Dragon’s Breath via Sage Advice, on the grounds that the effect hits more than one creature (similar to how Ice Knife can’t br twinned). For the record I disagree with the ruling because the spell clearly targets only one creature to receive the AOE ability, but it is what it is. However if Twinned Dragon’s Breath is allowed at your table, it is crazy strong on two flying familiars shooting down from 20ft in the air - the AOE becomes an easy to aim 3x3 square and offers a HUGE boost action economy. My party did it on an Owl and a Warlock Imp (stealth bomber + dive bomber) and I would say it’s utterly broken in tier 1, and still very strong well into tier 2.

[@SolarFlairIsBestPony]

That's definitely a messy ruling. If that applies to twinning then it would indeed also affect other aspects of the spell in my opinion, like the range of the cone if you Distant Spell- you cross over the twinning aspect into the aftermath then so should other Meta Magic. I'd say good luck explaining why one of those would be true but not the other, eh?

[@M0ebius]

SolarFlair The explanation is that the term “target” in Twinned Spell is meant to be plain English, and just means any creatures that the spell affects. But you’re right that it does not hold up to logical scrutiny. Haste for instance would then technically affect multiple creatures - the one buffed and the one being hit by the magically induced attack. Yet for whatever reason Haste is considered a legal target.

[@isaackarr6576]

If you up cast and twin enhanced ability you could carry off town hall.

[@taterturner47]

U can twin spell dragon breath? I don't think u can just by the wording of the spell.

[@leothelion4464]

so im playing a lvl one storm sorcerer homebrewed so i have thunderwave and create water starting out im getting mage armor no question. what should i pick for my other 1st lvl spell?

[@rogerswil97]

Absolutely love the Monty Python Holy Grail reference right at the start there 😂

[@Nerdarchy]

Duh, we are gamers of course we are going to reference Monty Python from time to time. Nerdarchist Dave

[@rogerswil97]

Nerdarchy definitely classic nerdiness there! Keep up the fantastic work looking forward to every video 😁

[@Bluecho4]

Sleep and Hold Person are both really good spells, as they can potentially remove one or more enemies from a fight entirely. Combine this with Quickened Spell, and you can also be firing off Cantrips in the same turn. Keeping that action economy firmly in your favor.

[@wodinsrage]

If you're in a prison, with all your possessions taken away, you CANNOT cast mage armor, because it requires a component.

[@jadestephan7395]

also, RAW dragon's breath can be used with a familiar

[@jwmmitch]

Man, a lot of this were spells I thought about taking with my first sorcerer but didn't lol

[@M0ebius]

A lot of the metamagic options don’t work the way you guys seem to think it does.

[@deltaphant_]

"Only sorcerers get Chaos Bolt" Izzet League players: Am I a joke to you?

[@markanderson4538]

Guys its been years, you need to buy a less wobbly table.

[@Nerdarchy]

We don't have room for it. Nerdarchist Dave

[@Lastofthesigilites]

Twin Enlarge/Reduce to make one person stomp on the other.

[@fasturianicildentirf5588]

Enhance ability doesn't apply to attack rolls or saving throws does it?

[@SolarFlairIsBestPony]

Nope, just ability checks. The physical ones have extra bonuses though. Bear's Endurance grants 2d6 temp hp, Bull's Strength doubles your carrying capacity, and Cat's Grace makes you take no fall damage for 20 feet or less. in combat Bull's Strength can be really useful though, as Strength checks are how grapples are handled. You might also consider Wisdom in the event you need to perceive in battle.

[@SageSchispell]

RAW according to sage advice, you CANNOT twin spell Dragon's Breath, personally I would rule you can, cause the spell targets one person like haste, the action targets multiple creatures though so for some reason that counts against twin spells "no more then one target rule"

[@B_Dubs_OHigh-O]

Wooohoo! I've been waiting for this video

[@LittleBigDutton]

So what would make the best ultimate bug zapper? So far I’m leaning towards warforged tempest cleric/storm sorcerer. I’m know the barbarian has the storm herald but idk how that would work with either of the other two classes

[@ogrehaslayers605]

Why don’t sorcerers get Vampiric Touch?

[@TheFoxlover93]

I think for Buff spells, I would make an honorable mention to Invisibility. For one, you can Twin it, letting you get more than one creature the ability to sneak away or sneak into places. Second, you can double the length, letting it last for 2 hours instead of one.

[@TheFoxlover93]

@jamesdeer3129 your first attack has advantage, meaning you have double the chance of hitting. With Twin, you now give two people the chance to get advantage. It has the addition of being non-combat buff of being unseen

[@TheFoxlover93]

@jamesdeer3129 "Buff is the term generically used to describe a positive status effect that affects mainly player or enemy statistics (usually cast as a spell). Examples of buffs include: Increasing the movement speed of the target. Increasing the attack speed of the target." If you disagree, then we disagree. But to say what is and what isn't a buff is not as black and white as you make it out to be

[@jeffreyanderson667]

I think enhance ability should give a +2 or 1 to that particular ability score as well. Enough to Increase it to the next level. Say if you had a 17 str, it would give you a +1 to get you from a +3 to a +4 are modifier on anything that uses that stat.

[@SolarFlairIsBestPony]

Mage Armor wouldn't be super great for Draconic Sorcerer but otherwise I see the appeal. Overall good choices I think, but I definitely refer to my earlier post regarding Dragon's Breath. It's also hard not to like a Careful or Quick Fireball.

[@MistahBryan]

@8:41 "Choose one of the d8's" Huh? Editor missed that one.

[@rcschmidt668]

LOL! Dave dropping Ted like a dead fish!

[@GoodOldGamer]

I like that Chaos Bolt. I hope it chains pretty often. 👍

[@maxx8362]

The best part of Dragon's Breath is that it does not specify humanoid. Mounts, pets, summoned creatures, and maybe even familiars all make viable targets.

[@gastonfourt5363]

Chaos sounds really good, if only you didn't have to rely on a two-of-a-kind roll with your d8s. On top of spending one sorcery point to reroll your d8s and hope you land that two-of-a-kind for every bolt you get. At low levels, this isn't the best pick if you're hoping to use this as a multi target spell, cuz chances are you're gonna use empowered spell a lot for this and you won't have the sorcery points to support multiple castings of this spell. I don't even know if you're allowed to cast empowered again and again for multiple different damage rolls on the same spell. By RAW, you can only use one option *during* the *casting* of a spell, and most metamagics can only be used during the casting of the spell. Except for empowered and seeking spell, for which the Metamagic rules don't say any limit on using metamagic options multiple times after the casting. All they say is you can use empowered or seeking spell even if you've already used a *different* metamagic option *during the casting* of the spell. They don't say any restraints for using empowered again, but I imagine the idea behind it was you can only use one empowered spell per damage roll you make, as it's stated that you can use empowered whenever you make any damage roll in a spell. Pick this if you've got a lot of sorcery points to dump, but for me personally, I'd prefer to conserve my sorcery points, thank you very much.

[@dast4394]

My favorite concept is the subtle magic missile. Mm becomes a undetectable (mm is onlyv v,s) unfailable attack. I would even rule than shield wouldnt stop it since they cant react to a undetectable attack

[@joelalcazar8558]

Except that there are three bright glowing darts flying at them. I would agree that they can't be counter spelled, but they should be able to shield against three glowing darts flying at them. Only the casting is undetectable, not the glowing darts.

[@Zmapes89]

Dave, the haircut looks really good.

[@PhaceCzech]

Gratz on cleaning up the hair!

[@danielgriff2659]

Go variant Human, get Magic Initiate feat... get Eldritch Blast (Warlock only cantrip) at level 1. Twin that at level 3. Get the Warlock/Wizard first level spell Healing Elixir.. twin THAT, lol.. SOOOO overpowered Feat!

[@bkdan262]

FIRST!!!!!! That and nice haircut Dave.

[@-POISON-]

Nice haircut, Dave!

[@44tuck3r]

I totally agree that Enlarge/Reduce and Enhance Ability belong on this list. But I think you have the categories swapped. Darkvision though - with the fewest number of spells known of any class, this is bad pick for a sorcerer in my opinion. Metamagic is in theory going to be good with this spell, but that is true of most spells.

[@44tuck3r]

I would suggest something like alter self for that slot. It is another versatile spell that can be used for exploration (aquatic), social and combat encounters - covering all three pillars of the game. PLUS - while you concentrate on it, you can use an action to change what benefit you have. That is really good for resource management. That is handy for a sorcerer, even if this spell cannot be twinned. Now - homebrew note - i would consider allowing a player to use alter self to give themself darkvision. I don’t know precisely how I would restrict or enable that use, but I do not think darkness tends to be the biggest obstacle of most encounters.

[@madginger3634]

Nice haircut

[@ranbirsandhu567]

Ted thats a mega dope shirt, as the youngsters say Fire!

[@jcwijma1486]

In my opinion WotC dropped the ball on 'Chaos Bolt'. Yes, it's a Sorcerer only spell, but it's completely overshadowed by 'Chromatic Orb', which can do almost everything 'Chaos Bolt' can, but better. The chances of it hitting a second creature is too small to make this spell worth taking over Chromatic Orb, that does more damage, allows you to pick the type of damage, and allows all types to do equal amounts of damage. The only thing it has on 'Chromatic Orb' is the 1 in 8 chance of doing either Psychic or Force damage. However, without it being consistent, that pro quickly becomes null and void as well.

[@kazebaret]

Remember that Chromatic orb has a "costly" material component (50 gp), that can be difficult to acquire at first and second level :)

[@jcwijma1486]

@@kazebaret Can you think of anything else a Sorcerer has to spend gold on? No? Me neither. Any large city should have at least one jeweler that can help you with getting a diamond worth 50 gold. Heck, he might even set it in a ring for ya. That's literally how small a diamond worth 50 gold is.

[@kazebaret]

@@jcwijma1486 Yes Man, generally and mechanistically speaking, I agree. Nevertheless, in some campaigns (Out of the Abyss for example), it could be difficult to find diamonds, or even food. Moreover, the excitement that Chaos bolt bring to the table is awesome!

[@jcwijma1486]

@@kazebaret Mechanically it is a terrible spell. You have to understand that one of your dice not only picks the type of damage the bolt does, but also the amount of damage it does at the same time. Thus the damage type that's on the low end of your die will never have the same value as the damage type that is on the high end of your die. Flavor wise the idea of Chaos Bolt is great, but mechanically it just has too many problems. As for campaigns such as OotA, where resources are low, I would still pick Magic Missile over Chaos Bolt every time.

[@Ento2012]

Booming Blade is the best Sorceror cantrip.

[@Nerdarchy]

I wouldn't say best, but it is a lot of fun. Nerdarchist Dave

[@M0ebius]

Maybe if you dipped Hexblade for armor/shield/charisma attack. If not you’re more likely to get smashed dead trying to BB in tier 1 with Sorcerer AC/HP.

[@AZDfox]

Guidance is the best Sorc cantrip

[@tishabyte]

Oscar for that intro lol

[@michaelfraley3841]

Tier two? Please?

[@Sz4r1ej]

If only you could twin Dragon's Breath.. alas the ruling is different, same for Chaos Bolt

[@gregkirby9059]

FAIRY divine soul Sorcerer!

[@erasmus4743]

Pretty sure Chaos Bolt is twinable too.

[@zachleming]

Is it? I always let my player do it but I thought it wasn't RAW

[@erasmus4743]

@@zachleming Double checked after posting. Apparently it's not RAW. The spell has to be "incapable of targeting more than one creature at the spell's current level." I would read that as even though it's not guaranteed to target more than one creature, it has the possibility and is, therefore, ineligible. Kind of lame. I think I would allow Twin Chaos Bolt because it's more fun than Chromatic Orb, for example. I also like the idea of on a crit, any pairs from the 4 d8s rolled would count toward it jumping. Then again, that might make twinned spell a lot more powerful.

[@rustinfox6762]

I appreciate the Monty python joke

[@galeefee8391]

I don’t know why but I got serious déjà vu looking at that guy with the long goatee. He looks like the dude that did the Mylittle Pomo vlog on all the cringe compilations.

[@quint3ssent1a]

Always thought Mage Armor is redundant on Sorc. Okay, there may be a situation where all your gear was taken away, but draconic sorcerer already has natural armor, and mage armor doesn't stack with it. You can use it to buff others, but, as was pointed out, sorc knows only so many spells, and preparing for specific cases of "warrior forgot his armor at home" only makes you weaker. Leave mage armor to bladesinger wizards.

[@M0ebius]

I agree. If you care at all about optimizing, just go Draconic. Better yet dip a level in Hexblade.

[@gonecoastal4]

Well Dave, Now all you need is a job!

[@richardclarkson1990]

Holy grail !!!

[@BigManStan]

Cast invisibility on your ponytail i see

[@Driahva]

"I got better" great now I have to go and watch Monty Python.

[@MattNeisinger]

Dave! Your hair! OMG!

[@matthewkaras7722]

By Moradin's beard - that was a great opening.

[@jamesaolsen1196]

Twin: ONLY works for spells that CAN NOT target more than one person. So, Catapult and Chromatic Orb, yes, but Dragon's Breath, no. Sorry! Also I don't think Darkvision is that strong of a spell based on the value. Other spells fill that gap better, and Sorc's have to choose their limited spell list very carefully.

[@ic0n0cla5t]

"You touch one willing creature and imbue it with the power to spew energy...." The spell description explicitly states that it has a single target. You are confusing the spells target with the ability granted to the target. It can be twinned.

[@skullkrusher-dx4kg]

Monty python reference?

[@Nerdarchy]

Always a strong possibility. Nerdarchist Dave

[@skullkrusher-dx4kg]

@@Nerdarchy lol I love you guys. I've just started dnd not to long ago, so much better than video games.

[@nathanross5527]

It is my first time in Ted's basement. I've been here for weeks, how do I get out?!

[@1Ring42]

Subtle suggestion

[@schemage2210]

As we know sorcerer's are only ever going to get 15 spells by level 20, are you saying that your going to waste such a valuable spell selection on darkvision? Sounds like a terrible idea to be honest when you have a tonne of more potent spells to pickup.

[@Jeff55369]

Instead of taking the dark vision spell, you could just go shadow sorc, and then you'll have darkvision out to 120 feet :P

[@schemage2210]

@@Jeff55369 or take the light cantrip, which also doesn't consume a spell slot and learn how to use it discreetly. Then again, I have been at more tables where the fighters in heavy armour blew stealth checks then light sources ever could.

[@M0ebius]

Yes, Light >>> Dark Vision. If you are the only one without Dark Vision and the party is constantly sneaking around, ask the DM for Goggles of Night or just suck it up and deal with it.

[@GoodOldGamer]

Or you could actually, you know, not mind being a support caster like virtually every caster in the game is, lol. If there's a weakness in the party my PC can easily fix, I will. All for one and one for all. 👍

[@M0ebius]

GoodOldGamer The problem is opportunity cost. Even if you are a support caster, with only 15 spells you need to pick the ones that maximizes its value for the party. Dark Vision is just too niche for the Sorcerer and much better on a Wizard.

[@MichaelMacbethian]

Is anyone else on here to see if someone can make the sorcerer class not worthless?

[@devin5201]

Wait, I'm not subscribed yet? Lets rectify that.

[@Nerdarchy]

Thanks. We appreciate you hanging out with us in Ted's basement. Nerdarchist Dave

[@Jason-96]

Did someone get a haircut???

[@floweroflifecollective1247]

Dragon's breath is not Twin-able

[@dustinolson4674]

That shirt ...

[@VerumAdPotentia]

WTH?!?

[@StaindHand]

Yikes….

[@rickeymariu1]

Where are the D&D cartoon vids or high level vids? If you only make vids about low level things you only perpetuate low level play.

[@Fektthis]

Enlarge seems like a great spell to use on your female barbarian team mate. Mostly so you can look up her chain mail skirt.