"D&D with High School Students" S02E11 - The Night Vigil part 2 - DnD, Dungeons & Dragons

[@zekefartin409]

I enjoy new people learning to play dnd. My one complaint is the same complaint I have with my own group. When the DM is talking no one else should be.

[@10KC20MG]

Yea, I haven't played before but it just seemed disrespectful, especially when he's telling the story

[@yurihageshi8008]

And those side chats are often loud enough that the dm can't be heard and nothing more annoying then to repeat oneself

[@tlj6761]

It's especially annoying as an audience member trying to ACTUALLY LISTEN TO THE INTERESTING STORY BILL WORKED SO HARD TO CREATE!! A tad disrespectful, I agree.

[@raerncornerproduction6073]

One way a DM can end that really fast is as the DM is talking just let them talk like they are. The DM tells them the information that was needed and when he is done. The DM just ask what do you do now. As soon as they ask what is going on or anything that you as the DM said instead of repeating it just say I told you what was going on it is not my fault you was not listening. Now what are you going to do. Stop repeating it. Even if one player is paying attention to what the DM is saying he could have that one only roll a dice to see what all he heard from the noise around him then only say what he would have picked up which would not be everything which could include some very important information. I keep trying to listen to the DM in here and they keep talking I just keep wanting to yell shut up, just shut up and listen to what the DM is telling you. Also as the DM you could as take it that while they are talking among themselves that is what their characters are doing as well. So The DM could say while you are standing around talking among yourself the enemy rushes you and attacks you. You are caught off guard as you was to busy talking among yourselves on what you was going to do they get an extra attack ect.

[@Dragonslair7]

I laughed so hard when Max said "We are basically the janitor group because we just cleaned up all the crap" .

[@sniffingdogartofficial7257]

22:10 Max is actually a really good role player, it's great to see him engaging with it even though he came to the table late.

[@tlj6761]

I LOVE how Max has been playing the game as well as role-playing (even going so far as describing how he attacks, awesome!), he is really invested in the game and it shows. Great stuff, Bill!

[@BillAllanWorld]

Thank you! Glad you are enjoying.

[@drfoxcourt]

I know these kids are learning and that they still don't have good impulse control, but they need to wait their turn to speak (or at least speak in hushed tones). Bill has incredible patience and these kids should be very thankful to him.

[@BillAllanWorld]

it's always a challenge

[@fire_fux]

Stick with META MOMENT!!! It's hilarious! Love this serious. Sad knowing that we may not see anymore from this specific group.

[@BillAllanWorld]

Thank you! And perhaps you won't be sad in the future. We shall see....

[@ajcsinclair]

Tottally thats so this seasons catchphrase.

[@yurihageshi8008]

It's always fun to see new players. It's always interesting. Even for Bill, it's something new

[@fire_fux]

The overlord known as Bill gifts us with more episodes, back to back to back days.... he is magnanimous

[@annawestegaard3194]

Fire Fux please don't encourage him

[@BillAllanWorld]

Yes, encourage my fragile male ego with more encouragement.

[@tlj6761]

@@BillAllanWorld LOL!

[@roxterat]

At this point I'm like: "Zombies during combat? Void monks got zomied in sewers.. is their companion, living void monk 'infested' too? This must be what water protectors meant by infection I see.."

[@smartcheddar]

Damn those priestesses were described as tough, yet they drop like flies

[@lukecarroll4052]

There needs to be tension and the players need to be the ones to resolve things, it wouldn't be a good story or gun game if it was the dn describing his npc bad asses destroying the threats and obstacles.

[@BillAllanWorld]

Valid

[@roycecx3335]

Finally Max uses rage sheesh waiting is almost as irritating as waiting for Heather to use thornwhip

[@weemanling]

More like waiting for Heather to stop talking.

[@ceshmate1953]

Not only that, he does have a shield. WIch makes his AC 18 but as he's not using it he should only have an AC of 16.

[@tpeasetiger]

The fact that Maximillian knocked the eyes out of that guy’s head is poetic justice since they are defending the eyes of Vusaque.

[@danielsosa63]

3 days in a row!?! WTH is happening. THIS IS GREAT.

[@disavowed9590]

yup, only problem is it distracts me from my revision for my exams xD

[@quo9138]

Oh man do I love this series. Entertainment that I didn't know I needed in my life, but since it became a thing I realised I really do. It's great and I can't wait to see more of Carl's DMing sessions

[@oberon190848]

Love the enthusiasm from Max as he described how he was cutting down that zombie! An RP'er is born.

[@dokuji_]

"I am going to kill you all if you dont make a decision in 3 seconds" High schooler's first timer mechanic. Nice.

[@dannynova3412]

Man, the audio spikes. Let me introduce you to our friends the Limiter and the compressor.

[@drjobygax]

Fun show! And excellent terrain and miniature buildings. I think towards the end the PCs could be Disengaging on their Action (which I thought meant no Opportunity Attacks from enemies) and then use their Move to hustle away quickly. I always think of Disengage as a way to carefully guard yourself as you step out of combat reach and then you turn tail and skedaddle. I always find it fascinating when players start dealing with getting knocked out. It's scary, but there are nice mechanics in D&D to look forward to, like rolling a 20 on a Death save, which means you wake up with 1 hp and you're back in the fight again! Great job, guys!

[@P5ykoOHD]

"Healing word", quite literally the most OP spell in the game.

[@kc-ip2vc]

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[@BillAllanWorld]

yup

[@mukkimmajjomm]

please send them a PHB pdf or something and make them read at least their own class

[@ArsonBjork]

"Is Trixie tall? DAMN IT!!" Just the best

[@BillAllanWorld]

Lol

[@avalon5957]

Years later, but rage lasts for a minute, which is 10 rounds. It only ends if the raging barbarian is knocked unconscious or does not attack anything for a round and does not take damage. So it continues if the barb attacks regardless if they hit or miss and/or if the barb takes damage. But nice series, I've enjoyed both season 1 and 2 so far :) But yes, players should hush and listen when the DM speaks.

[@maddy2035]

Take a shot every time they say "Thank you Neil"

[@shallendor]

Another excellent episode!

[@wooderdsaunders6801]

No one ever wants a reroll when a good number comes up after hitting a clipboard. Lol

[@BillAllanWorld]

valid

[@notlivia7350]

Love this series, me and my cousin just started watching and it's really good. Everyone is really funny and comes up with the best problem solving methods. Only sad I hadn't watched this sooner .

[@BillAllanWorld]

Glad you enjoy it! Keep watching - everything from season 2 onward takes place on the same continent, with inter-connected storylines.

[@aaronhutchinson8911]

I love how they think Trixie and Willie are responsible for the Zombies 😂

[@ModernDayMagus]

After I heard those stones are immensly powerful I would have bided my time for an opportunity to take them and ditch both finup and Temple maidens, maybe the party as well. Level 1 is a great time to incur the wrath of a single god. Everyone knows your first instinct should be, split the party as much as possible.

[@kc-ip2vc]

But it would destroy the island

[@plantpreyer2135]

@@kc-ip2vc so?

[@jrvthatsme]

I think I see what's coming up next in Willie and Trixie's plan. Their end move however, that should be interesting.

[@yurihageshi8008]

The sound is a bit uneven, Bill is far off but the cast members closer sound louder. Maybe some sound support focused around Bill might help?

[@BillAllanWorld]

Yes, we have some episodes where we were short on crew, so sound board wasn't always manned.

[@raerncornerproduction6073]

I think for the very first session of a game for new players it would be ok for them to reroll the dice as they are learning. At this point in time there should be no rerolling. They should by now know more about the game so rerolling for attacks, damage ect should no longer be allowed. What I am talking about there is like when the dice hits Carl's clipboard and it is a low roll he wants to reroll it because it hit the clipboard, or when heather gets a low roll and wants to reroll it. The sad part is how fast Carl, and Heather wants to blame everything on Trixie and Willie. This is their doing over and over again. Millo saying that trixie does magic so it is her doing. That would be the same as me saying it could be Millo because she also does magic.

[@lexieangelo]

righhhht, i know i’m a little late. but this exactly. them blaming everything on trixie and willie is kinda annoying to watch because they were the ones that messed everything up. they literally wanted to fight the constables and willie didn’t want any part of it so he left, and then they tired blaming everything on trixie because anna wasn’t there when it happened. i’m glad those two are going to try and figure everything out themselves.

[@misguidedghost8727]

Why do they hate there former two team mates and jumping to conclusions that those two were even there thry should gather information before they jump to conclusions because if they want to get out of this mess they have to have a calm mind and a plan of how they get their information. People who jump to conclusions always gets the wrong answer so they should think before they act on what they feel is right. Almost all gut feelings that are used in investigations are usually wrong but you have the certain few that they just guess and get it right like the ACT exam that you have to take to get into college. All I'm saying is think before you act because acting before you think then you get in some deep sh*t.

[@ronaldheberlein5823]

Firefox Virden I'm all in for team Trixie and stroker, they think things through more even if most of it is plotting.

[@annawestegaard3194]

in our defense plotting requires a lot of thought and then theres none left over for anything else. theres only so much thinking to go around

[@ronaldheberlein5823]

Anna Westegaard I agree 100%, it is entertaining though just watching the four of them having fun running around like headless chickens XD

[@ajcsinclair]

What part of "with high school students" don't you get? At least there are poor dice rolls involved to protect them from their follies. ;)

[@yurihageshi8008]

@@ajcsinclair they are also new bies

[@icywinterof88]

nothing better than a little betrayal to gt the murder hobos to focus on a task haha jk jk you guys are all great

[@tlj6761]

I actually agree though, this storyline was a super entertaining twist, and a betrayal to hopefully make the murder hobos learn the error of their ways in a fun and memorable way. Story telling is awesome.

[@ModernDayMagus]

Did they forget about the mute void monk during combat? Or did I miss something?

[@kc-ip2vc]

Nope he just didn't do anything

[@lanzecki]

Need to get a grip on the sound levels Carl 's louder then the DM and his whispered discussions are as loud.

[@tlj6761]

Agreed. Audio mixing seems to be the main, consistent issue with this series. Somebody get on the sound crew!

[@BillAllanWorld]

Apologies. Come rejoin our community!

[@theeblycan9595]

carl will be great GM if he work on it

[@dannynova3412]

I like rolling along with you guys to see what my rolls are v.s. yours. Hey, you guys need to read the players handbook AT least the stuff that applies to your character (s). It will make it even way more fun for you!

[@marielistopad2886]

I believe that clerics can turn undead. Perhaps Bill was too distracted by side talk.

[@cheesepie72]

He must not be treating the priestesses as clerics

[@BillAllanWorld]

Some of the priestesses (the lower level guards) are not clerics by class. They are basically Acolytes (background). The high priestess is definitely a cleric, and she's capable of turning undead. But the group dispatched the undead before alerting her.

[@cheesepie72]

Bill Allan makes perfect sense, I figured it was something like that

[@grrfilter]

calling out initiative like an auction

[@DrewSohl]

I assume the priestess have some spells,they should be healing,and dealing with zombies??

[@BillAllanWorld]

The high priestess is a cleric, so yes. But most of the others are acolytes and not clerics by class.

[@DrewSohl]

Bill Allan O.K.Thanks.The game is interesting

[@johnskelton3633]

Sound check on those mics. Can't hear DM over all the players.

[@ChairyCrasher]

isnt the crystals fake, because of what Carl said to the priestess?

[@ModernDayMagus]

They never confirmed if the switch was made or if the fakes were finished. So I suppose only bill knows.

[@tlj6761]

Enter the Gungeon profile picture, nice ;)

[@tlj6761]

@@TWWolf314 RIP!

[@tlj6761]

@@TWWolf314 I assume that means you were rewatching them too?

[@tlj6761]

@@TWWolf314 interesting

[@stefandiebel8775]

Fangirling intensifies.

[@roycecx3335]

Stefan Diebel me too lucky for me I got a shout out from Heather tho

[@Cassieeee26]

Pleeeeaaasseee stop talking over Bill when he's narrating, the only reason to interrupt the DM is to have your character quickly react (and this should only really be when he's describing action, not a room/scene).

[@yurihageshi8008]

That is a great way to miss vital points

[@aaronhutchinson8911]

This battle is Epic. Too bad they end up failing to protect the temple.

[@daredevilxp9]

I know this is a very late comment, but as a newbie I love this series because it’s like I can learn without having to wait for my group to meet up this many times, great show and a lot of teacher patience from Bill! Quick question: When the merc was prone from being pulled by thornwhip, should Max have gotten advantage? He hit anyway but didn’t re-roll and could have crit after. Bt maybe I just missed something or misunderstood the rule

[@BillAllanWorld]

Good call - he should have had advantage for sure.

[@nooneimportant9623]

Bill is oddly descriptive in this one

[@anthonymiddendorf8066]

Lol episode 11 Matt's first attempt at rage

[@BillAllanWorld]

ha! indeed!

[@XIIIink]

Max needs to rage gaahhhhh.... Half damage...

[@kc-ip2vc]

Matt is ze barbarian wire

[@kc-ip2vc]

Also he did

[@MsJackal90]

goooooo MAX! PICK A TREE AND SMASH THEM! XD

[@jameswilson2516]

there is no way that zombie the Maximilien smashed wit his war harmer could have reanimated unless Bill is using homebrew zombies. not only did he do 21 damage making the DC 26 to save, if the reanimation is 'Undead Fortitude' it was a critical hit (also radiant works) which they can't save from.

[@BillAllanWorld]

Some of the undead in these campaigns are not standard undead, for a reason. I don't want to give spoilers, but if you watch the series, you'll understand why.

[@fourdotsYT]

Why wasn't anyone watching the statue?

[@BillAllanWorld]

The temple was full of priestesses, armed and armored, who all got wiped out. Only 1 survived. So, your question is probably asking why none of the PCs were watching the statue. This is a very good question, indeed.

[@fourdotsYT]

Yeah... and if so many assailants got into the temple to wipe out so many priestesses then it's an even better question... The very thing they were supposed to do: protect the crystals. #FAIL. Tsk, tsk. I would have also done some better crowd control, luring/funnelling attackers through a single entrance. Perhaps covered or barricaded the other entrances, and focus-firing on enemies as they entered. I mean they had a both fortified and defended structure and home advantage, plus they knew an attack was likely coming that very night. This is what happens if there's no planning, and a hobo-murder full frontal attack approach to everything. Strategy next time people! Stay calm, be like Neo.

[@kay-O-kin]

Metapause metapod uh I think we're talking about 2 diff things. Lol

[@BillAllanWorld]

LoL

[@tobyjamison6801]

Daaaaamn that was intense

[@BillAllanWorld]

Indeed

[@coalsilvermuzzle3111]

Did the archers fall asleep on the tower?

[@BillAllanWorld]

Some of them did; I rolled for them. Some of them were put to sleep by Sleep spells.

[@jandepaepe4262]

Hey Bill, me again! I was recently watching this episode and I decided to make some of these modular tiles for me and my dnd group/groups. I got all the materials and sizes, but then it hit me: I’ve got no clue of how many of each format i should make! So I kinda wanna ask you, how many 1x1, 2x2 and 3x3 modular grid tiles do you usually bring to the table (and am I missing some format that would be handy except for the above?) Already many thanks from a novice DM and his friend

[@BillAllanWorld]

Okay, so I have found that the 3x3 and 2x2 are the most important. I almost never use 1x1. If you're 3d printing them or making them from scratch, then I would do a 2:1 ratio of tiles. For example: If you want 20 of the 2x2 tiles, you should make 40 of the 3x3 tiles. I think I have around 80 of the 3x3 tiles and 40 of the 2x2 tiles, which I find to be more than sufficient. Hope this helps!

[@jandepaepe4262]

Awesome!!! I’m actually just using this tough 1.5mm cardboard to cut out tiles and i tripple layer them with a base plate and tiles on both sides (with a gap of about 2mm in between)! This realy helps.

[@jandepaepe4262]

I uave made about 9 of the 3x3 by now and about 12 of the 2x2 and my hands are starting to hurt a little 😅 but i’ll get there eventually

[@kc-ip2vc]

20:55 because he a monk

[@BillAllanWorld]

yep

[@kyemt85]

YAY!!!!!

[@nrares21]

Ok well.... i dont really know what to say, its kinda beating a dead bush at this point and i probably will sound like an ass but... Why the hell does it feel like everyone on the Temple' side of things (not just the players) are just measly lvl 1 npcs? While the other side (the attacking side) have like 10 mobs that ressurect (or have 2 lives) perfectly capable sneaks/thieves that just don't ever fail. Also, what character can cast that sort of magic? He has to be at least level 6 or 10 or something... that's a lot of bodies for a spell to affect ! Where is Charra? isn't she like the guard elite? I would expect her to be at least level 5 and be able to handle 2-3 mobs at once no problem, let alone handle more with backup by her side. Drake should have been the same deal almost, i dont know what level his character was (hopefully not 1!) but I'll assume they didn't really take the time to read everything they can do with their respective class in combat. I felt like when you introduced these 2 characters, they would HEAVILY impact whatever events they would partake in, because they are supposed to be very strong.... But I guess if you did that then it wouldn;t be fun for the players to see a bunch of NPCs auto-fight eachother and resolve stuff by themselves... it is the players' story so maybe you were following some sort of DM principle to still keep players in the center of the action, despite those 2 characters also being there. But the nail in the coffin was this: Ralof suggests Extra guards around the eyes, anti-magic protection, and to have the eyes be replaced, HOURS BEFORE THE FIGHT. The priestess agrees. Eyes get stolen anyway. Excusemewtf :))))) That moment felt really annoying to watch... Overall, the fight seemed terribly one sided for me and it seemed to me that for some reason you were punishing the "good" (murder hobo aside) party that chose to defend THEIR HOME TOWN/REGION, that in the end decided to be on the lawful good side of things, while you were buffing and giving all sorts of excuses and easy ways out for the "evil" party who just decided "yeah let's screw everybody except us" ! Like, the good party had 3, now 4 lvl 1 characters, versus the 2 lvl 1s from the bad party, its 4v2 the good party should win that fight any time of the day or night. All in all this was 5+ years ago , nothing is really relevant at this time soo no hard feelings... Hopefully the campaign ending turns out great.

[@BillAllanWorld]

Honestly, the NPCs were matched appropriately. The guardians and hierarchy at the Temple of Vusaq where a mix (level 8 cleric, a handful of level 5 paladins, and a bunch of level 3 clerics). The "bad guys" had one major level 8 Warlock backing them, plus a bunch of cannon fodder, plus the PCs who chose to join the bad guys.

[@nrares21]

@@BillAllanWorld Ah, I see... alright.

[@Tetman-xx6tp]

Will healing work to kill the undead...

[@Tetman-xx6tp]

I haven't played in 15 years lol.... dnd advanced

[@BillAllanWorld]

The rules for undead are definitely different in 5th edition. Healing doesn't damage undead. There are spells and weapons that do radiant damage, which does additional damage on undead. The rules for turning undead are also a bit different.

[@kc-ip2vc]

@@BillAllanWorld so it isn't based on minecraft anymore

[@jayandreas1131]

10:00 why is Drake even in this fight. All misses. Shame they don’t try to flank more.

[@BillAllanWorld]

indeed

[@JagoTFC]

Enrage Max!

[@markalvarado4450]

i think its funny their at the south side of the temple cuz you never go to the south side of chicago

[@BillAllanWorld]

Sorry it took me 3 years to reply; something weird with my comments.

[@markalvarado4450]

@@BillAllanWorld wow man, im going to be completely honest, forgot about this channel. but i have to say you got me into Dnd big time. ive only played one campaign for only a few sessions but would love to get into another and I really love baldurs gate. seeing you replied even though its been 3 years is just mind blowing. couldnt praise that enough

[@cbrusharmy]

hint: buffing is better than healing in 5e. This side chat, especially during combat, is almost unwatchable. Someone tell me Bill lays down the law at some point. ??

[@BillAllanWorld]

yeah

[@savageoldman]

Im waiting for the episode where all the players have realised they enjoy the game much more when they aren't talking when the dm is talking. I suppose they may have gotten to that point as I'm watching this along time after the fact. But it's so annoying right now

[@BillAllanWorld]

Yeah, true.