Why The Average Player Shouldn't Have A "Secondary"

[@kaifulbright5241]

the music in the second half of the video kind of made it hard to hear you talking. just something to note for future videos

[@VibePrince1]

Agreed

[@DabuzSSB]

Gotcha

[@gabrielnunez8504]

This is an example of perfect constructive criticism, and not hate

[@notSusNugget]

Not sure if it was the music, but it was difficult for me to distinguish certain words during certain moments from beginning to end of the video lol. maybe it was the mic for me?

[@npclucario7005]

I don't even have a main, much less a secondary, I play like 20 characters

[@rahulshankar4784]

bruh

[@victortrinh2208]

same and I suck at all of them

[@evanperry1843]

See THATS bad lol

[@Fenyll_Fur]

If you don't plan on getting into Smash at a tournament level, that's perfectly fine. Play the whole cast, if you want to.

[@chromso]

bro i just play smash for fun when im fucking with friends, i play casual competitively (competitive rules but we homie stock and have fun) and the occasional items/stamina match, to me that is the most fun smash can be

[@danielbakergill]

Play ROB, use Nair, acknowledge no secondaries.

[@enthymeme4856]

pika chuuuuu

[@mzisaperson7925]

Looking cool joker

[@worldsboss]

MZ Is A Person I’m not gonna lie, I have played SO. MANY. JOKERS. that the matchup as R.O.B isn’t quite so bad anymore. I have been forced to learn Joker confirms and how to tech and DI out of them. Forced to recognise exactly when I can and can’t punish Arsene... It was a living nightmare, but I got it done.

[@Grungus37]

Game and watch has entered the chat

[@mzisaperson7925]

But like honestly rob may be the best mu that sheik wins. She may not even win it too and if she does it’s like 52-48 her favor.

[@chrisdivodi9291]

I have 5 Mains and 8 Secondaries. I am now officially above average.

[@coral3831]

Casuals usually have that many mains

[@devaxionrl8189]

jeff thanks for pointing the obvious

[@jacopodeldeo4308]

jeff when i started to play seriously i was playing so many characters that i main snake with 10 secondaries because i want a counterpik for every archetype

[@BeretBay]

You have ascended.

[@chrisdivodi9291]

@@coral3831 r/whoosh

[@JonnyCrawford]

I main Mii Gunner, a character that's known for having matchups that can "shut her down". Faster characters like Fox and Captain Falcon used to be a big issue for me but over time I really grinded hard on learning the best ways to deal with the matchup, and now I am very able to handle those matchups and what I learned there I was able to apply to my general gameplay which leveled me up quite a bit. Solo maining is worth it guys, even with characters that have polorized matchups

[@DisGunnar]

wow bro you really must be above average 😍

[@direblue1051]

There are some characters who are almost impossible to solo main *cough cough wii fit is actually hard to solo main and don’t just say wii fit is really good because she loses the most common matches cough cough*

[@Niceguyhidden]

What is your Mii Gunner set(s)? I mean Mii Gunner too contrary to my Smash 4 profile pic

[@JonnyCrawford]

@@Niceguyhidden 3232 is my moveset

[@dagingerbreadman70]

You know, I comain gunner and ICs and have been thinking of dropping gunner cause of the Cfalcon/ fox mu’s 😂. Give do you deal with the mu outside of bomb drop? I feel like in a double blind set where you’re unable to counterpick gunner AND ICs can just be randomly shut down.

[@justjoshin2526]

Wow, this came out right when I was finding secondaries for my mains..

[@happycamperds9917]

By the plant in your pfp I feel your pain.

[@jkageandjkage9729]

Same

[@robertjohnson7325]

“Secondaries” for your “mains” sounds like you play at least 4 characters. That’s not a good thing, you should really be sticking to 2-3 at MOST. Just some advice.

[@justjoshin2526]

@@robertjohnson7325 I main 2 people, Villager and Cloud, and I'm looking for one or two more characters to cover their bad matchups

[@Bladieblah]

@@justjoshin2526 What matchups for Cloud would you say are bad? Character seems really solid all around to me so it's interesting to hear from a main what the tough matchups are

[@camusreviews6877]

I’m mid level and I solo-main Dark Samus. She’s a high tier with at most three -2 matchups (probably only two). If you main a high tier, learning those matchups is way more efficient than picking up a whole ass other character for those few problematic matchups.

[@user-mf6io5gc3j]

4 me Mario Is annoying when I'm playing Samus so I go wolf-lucina

[@jacopodeldeo4308]

Fox has 90-10 against samus you need a freaking secondary

[@azophi]

It's okay, I also main dark samus but I use samus as a secondary for those bad matchups

[@ssbot3795]

@@azophi wut

[@Mr.Galaxxxxxxxxxxy]

@@user-mf6io5gc3j mario mains find playing samus and dark samus annoying 😂

[@AverageDoctor345]

Me with my 18 secondaries: Yes yes I see...

[@chkmte1304]

This is why I play Pit in this game, because when I beat my opponents it's because I played better not because I janked them out

[@Agerzzs]

**pit does nair off stage, the last hit doesn't connect, the opponent air dodges instead of teching**

[@GrimtheVelociraptor]

side b

[@legs-sama8116]

pit is one of my secondary wish he got buffed

[@soup3673]

You main Pit? L

[@Whirlybird88]

I respect that. I main Falco and I feel like he's similar in that regard. And I do feel a sense of pride in the character and in my victories as a result; although admittedly, that's not the reason I main him. I main him simply because I've mained him since Melee, and have never really been able to let him go, lol.

[@nextos]

I found as a new player to ultimate (not having played smash in 10 years) that picking up and sticking with my main made me a lot better than my main playgroup. However I found most characters in this game have some sort of gimmick that solves some problems but not others, and when i started seriously playing characters other than my main I saw these huge holes in my Gameplan that where never apparent because my main never had to deal with them and picking up another character with different strengths and weaknesses helped my fundamentals/neutral so much more than another 20 hours on my main could have. Similar to how only playing online builds bad habits for offline, only getting good with one character can reinforce sub optimal gameplay. But 100% agree with the last minute of the video where you talk about sticking on a character for at least an hour to get the 'feel' of how that character plays back into your muscle memory. thanks for the video Dabuz

[@travism7856]

I like having secondaries to have fun cause imo playing the same character all the time gets boring.

[@hydr0ssbu]

This came up on my recommended right when i thought i couldn't find a secondary

[@hatsunemiku8007]

The only reason I end up with secondaries is cause I try to maybe switch mains but I always go back to my main and grind that character most of the time, playing other chars helps fundamentals but it's still better to grind your main and every MU, at least if you main a top tier or high tier

[@countbopula7513]

Thanks for the pointers. I rejected having a main or even a secondary recently and it has stifled my learning a lot. I went to playing random characters on the roster and got caught in the "one trick playstyle" you mentioned and the burnout is even higher than when my main got trashed all the time. I'll work on it, thank you.

[@danielt7708]

3:18 I agree. I main Young Link and had Cloud as a secondary for Yink’s hard matchups, but I most of the time I would end up doing better as Yink in those hard matchups than with Cloud, so I’m trying to solo main Yink now.

[@MopedOfJustice]

It's a great example of how tier lists, and even matchups in general, are descriptions of top level play rather than a rock-paper-scissors game that is inherent to playing the character.

[@im_Spade_]

The only reason I have secondaries is for doubles, when my friends get too salty, and when I want to cheese someone in a Bo3 with matchup inexperience (not reliable as you mentioned!). But fr I think this is pretty important

[@wurstkocher842]

I have secondaries just because I really like playing with them too, not for Match up coverage lol

[@kadabraguy9846]

I'm maining Dedede, but I keep trying secondaries to improve my fundamentals. Dedede really doesn't play Smash too often lmao he's busy playing his own game. So trying characters like Yink, Joker, etc lets me improve things like approaching, baiting, etc that Dedede can't do in his kit.

[@lightofamphy6764]

Totally agree with you. I’m friends with a guy who doesn’t really play competitive all that much, but plays DeDeDe. Even for a guy like me who plays a few hours a day, matches are still fairly close as playing against DeDeDe is a whole different game than playing against any other character.

[@artimist0315]

Got the same problem with bayo, I play sheik, joker and corin at the same time but I just think it is a bad habit, you must be extremely good with DDD before taking a secondary, I don't know your level but if you never won any tournament you mustn't have a secondary anyway. Easier to say though 🍑

[@Coach_Ax]

Tried to figure out my secondary for so long and finally settled on trusting Yoshi as a solo main

[@idk72.]

You monster...

[@infinitethejackal8718]

I just found out something about olimar. If you throw your Pikmin on a platform like the lower two platforms on battlefield, you can do any smash attack or grab on it as long as you are below the platform and if that Pikmin is the one that is going to be attacking (or if the arrow is over its head). I just got a kill with this after my opponent blocked my Pikmin throw and I went to do up smash with my purple pikmin and the blue pikmin that was on top got the kill. Note: red,blue, and yellow when you pluck them can get on the platform and white and purple can't. Hope you guys try this out

[@aquatazer]

This is a great video. Very helpful for people that aren’t super skilled, like myself, and people that are trying to play competitively that don’t have any understanding of fundamentals.

[@thatkid1301]

how do u know if ur ready for a secondary

[@ectrosvideolibrary]

This is something I would like to know as well.

[@estabravo]

I 100% main one character at a time and never have a secondary during that time. Might last a few of so months (currently falco, 9 months), but it's been so much more worth it. Feels like my fundamental gameplay is improving more efficiently and it makes me want to explore/implement more technical stuff, something that "regrasping" another character might otherwise impede or slow me down on.

[@duck-04-07]

Who do you play?

[@Nick-sd6fj]

@@duck-04-07 falco

[@estabravo]

Superior Serperior Falco, but been through this with Mewtwo, Puff, and Plant.

[@brendang747]

Does this apply to co-maining? I'm a cloud/wolf main and both are close enough in skill where it's pretty negligible

[@LastStar007]

Dabuz's main point is that picking up a secondary to cope with a bad matchup for your main holds uou back from learning the technique to deal with the matchup. Co-maining is a bit different than secondaries bc you're trying to prepare two characters for every matchup. So as long as you're not counterpicking based on your opponent's char, you're good.

[@LastStar007]

Co-maining does mean though that you'll learn the ins and outs of your mains about twice as slowly as a single-main player.

[@MultiDestroyer3000]

Step 1; Ganon Step 2: Profit

[@azophi]

Or I don't know, maybe I just like playing more than a single character

[@robertwindshade7629]

That's not the point of the video... He's saying you don't need a secondary if your goal is to improve at the game.

[@silvesta5027]

You missed the part at the beginning. He says ‘if you’re playing a secondary just for fun, this doesn’t apply to you.’

[@azophi]

@@silvesta5027 lol haha. No, I got it. I play a secondary to win. I just like playing more than 2 characters. But I do play both characters to win at locals haha. The reason I picked up the secondary was just because i liked both characters

[@smashssf2_ssbc15]

@@azophi That's normal, I'm a Lucas main and a Villager secondary because I love both

[@pkyy9269]

There is SO much room in a fighting game to be fundamentally better than your opponent. Even at the truly top level low tier heroes have made things happen. If you really just want to Get Good, you gotta stick with something so you focus on the game and not just characters. The familiarity goes so far in your abilities with game situations.

[@morimementos]

I’m finally getting to the point where I’m okay with sticking to one character more or less, and just play some others from time to time. However, I’ve found that my current level of competence in terms of mechanical skill is inconsistent, so I like to have a superheavy as a backup, because I like how they play and they are a little more tolerant of when mechanical skill is “off” than some others are.

[@gerrellbrown9896]

Question. I main Olimar and I'm somewhere between average and good; sometimes I'm in Elite and sometimes I fall out. I have a friend that isn't very good, but manages to beat me with his Zelda. However, I make quick work of him with my "secondary," Pit (can't even crack 3mil GSP with him). Not sure what advice I should take seeing as I'm not tournament level, but decent.

[@morimementos]

Could be matchup familiarity/unfamiliarity

[@retroletro1178]

My main is banjo and my secondary is pichu. I play banjo as a keep away/punishing bad neutral and gimicking opponents with dthrow nair dthrow, meanwhile my pichu is very rushdown like throwing neutral b and running near it, dthrow shorthop ( i do this to check habits like airdodging or nair) and punish depending on the reaction reaction. They work well with eachother and are super fun.

[@smashssf2_ssbc15]

I love using Pichu in that way

[@jackluffy7914]

I think I should because Cloud is my main and Min Min is my secondary but I’m tryna be a pro player so I guess it’s different from me

[@ledrew2370]

I think this is especially relevant in a game that overall is as balanced as ultimate is. There aren’t many -3 or worse matchups in this game, and when they exist it’s often a pretty obscure matchup. When it’s not, and it’s say Pika or Palu, maybe choosing a different character altogether is the way to go. It’s not like brawl where ICs vs Ganon was a 95-5 matchup in competitive play. Most matchups are very winnable in this game.

[@dragonix2094]

Me: Secondaries almost all characters Dabuz:This video

[@Cerrmann]

I would say co maining characters in this game is a good alternative since you have two characters with equal knowledge of the different matchups. Another thing that helps is if one of your characters is not very complex to understand and all it takes is fundamentals eg Lucina, Wolf, Palu

[@RyansChannel0203]

I’m not an average player, but I don’t really have a secondary. I do have a good chuck of characters that I play pretty well with, but not at the same level as I do with my main.

[@NurglesDevotee]

I kind of have 3 secondaries because I (try to) play all Metroid characters. The reason is to make my play style less stale, and mix-up my opponents. If they are used to my Samus, I’ll play Ridley (my main) and do something that they are not used to before they adapt, then switch to ZSS before or when they are adapted. Also, it’s more fun to me because I can do cool stuff with one character, then realize I can do it with another character. It is slightly harder because sometimes I get mixed up myself, but it is still worth it to me.

[@substitutedoll5224]

terrible

[@hatsunemiku8007]

that's called cheesing instead of outplaying and good players will destroy your other characters after they adapt to one lol just learn how to mix up with one character and adapt

[@NurglesDevotee]

I realize it is cheesy and is dumb in competition , but I just want to play Metroid characters and evolve overtime. As a said I main Ridley, and play him 75% of the time. I only use the other three in cases where my Ridley does poorly or if I just want to have fun. I do not really play in a competitive setting, as in playing in tournaments, so this is not really cheesy with the people I play because they know my play style with each character which is quite repetitive. I’m sure if I went into a tournament, I would immediately be sent to losers, but I just play like this for now. Sorry if you didn’t find how I play good or good enough for you.

[@felixyu4979]

I kept trying to pick up various characters, got kinda okay, and then gave up and stuck to my one character.

[@BlueWokou]

I ended up dual maining by accident. I main Roy, have since day one. One day, playing for fun, I went Dark Pit, because I liked DPit in 4XM and was kinda going in with the mindset of "Well lets just see how much less fun this DPit is." I actually enjoyed playing DPit, though. So, I ended up playing him for fun a lot. Then I took a bit of a break from competing at locals, so since I was only playing for fun, I was going almost all DPit. When I came back to competition, my DPit was almost as good as my Roy had been, and my Roy was a little worse than my DPit was at that point. So I just kinda ended up using both.

[@HONEST-xj4rr]

I’m not the only person who uses Dark Pit and Roy. :D People always ask me “Who the f mains Dark Pit and Roy?” :/

[@madmoxxi7397]

@@HONEST-xj4rr a lot of people main roy Its mainly just who mains dpit

[@UltimateTS64]

@@madmoxxi7397 seriously 😂

[@UltimateTS64]

Yeah I had that too, that's how I ended up having Falco as a secondary with Ridley as my main.

[@forevorseal]

I think anything more than 2 characters could harm your play, but if you have the fundamentals and know how to use both of those characters the way they're meant to I see no reason you shouldn't dual main them

[@trentmurray7680]

This is a super interesting topic that's tough to pay attention to with the loud music and gameplay. Would love to see this re-done as a vlog style video with some editing

[@ZDY66666]

What about secondaries that share very similar skills with your main, but have a few character specific things that you could utilize for a slight playstyle adjustment?

[@EdeYOlorDSZs]

Great analysis but please do more Olimar related content! :)

[@Wizard_Lizard_]

0:55 The literal only reason I play more than one character.

[@eddyspaghettiii]

Kinda applies to me. I use Mario but use falco for match ups such as rob and samus but also for fun and have picked up ike to deal with shulk, lucina and cloud. Probably should just get rid of falco and just try learning the few match ups and most other people don't really need one unless they directly counterpick your character like shulk with mario

[@maskedman7000]

I totally agree, at my level I dont need a secondary to beat my friend 🤷‍♂️

[@azophi]

It's fine, I play Simon as my main and use Richter as a secondary for those bad matchups

[@Kaz999998]

Wat

[@AverageHandle_]

Very smart

[@azophi]

@@AverageHandle_ ik, like olimar and link

[@Mr.Ducksnickers]

I mostly 2ndary a character just to learn what their strengths and weaknesses so I can abuse those weaknesses and play against their strengths with my main

[@danielbenitez8616]

What about maining pt??

[@stressedbyamountainofbooks1]

I main pt and don't have any secondary. I feel like i don't need one and have already a lot to learn with each pokemon.

[@x64]

Every player outside of top 10 is an average player to Dabuz

[@AdiJ4]

I 100% agree with this dabuz, I think the overall better option is to just solo main a top tier (at least for mid level or lower players)

[@TSMetaux]

Look at elegant, he solo main Luigi and he is still in the pgr ( he’s not first but still in ), unless you want to really be at the pgr etc you can pick what ever u want

[@etaquince5220]

Im sorry, but Ridley vs projectile is hell so yeah... Still looking for a secondary

[@slingsha]

I main banjo and I picked up inkling as a second character. Not because of matchups, mainly because either my friends don't have dlc or so people don't call me lame for playing only banjo. Inkling was the most fun character on the main roster for me so if I don't feel like trying to hard I just play inkling

[@AngelsandWolves1]

Wonderful advice for newer players Dabuz, I definitely know someone this applies to, although I have a secondary myself, as this doesn't really apply to me thankfully. Piece of advice, music was a bit loud so it's harder to hear later in the vid. Much love man, stay blessed.

[@KuhEssen]

You don't need secondaries, but you should because it is fun.

[@jonathandwilliams2885]

Is it viable at a mid level to have a Chrom main and Lucina secondary? They're similar enough to have a lot carry over to Lucina, just a better recovery and offstage edge-guarding in exchange for losing out on a little speed/frame data and combo potential.

[@bradyboo8440]

I would say so, they are both pretty similar gameplan wise. Lucina would just be an easy comfort pick if you arent sure Chrom can do the job...

[@Grungus37]

I don't necessarily think that having a solo main is always the best way to go at low to mid level. As long as your a tournament player in some capacity there are times where having a better matchup can give you a slight edge on a person who is slightly better than you, or at least around your level. I think the important part is just cultivating your secondary and not relying on a gimmick to make it through a matchup.

[@kevinlove5695]

I like the points you make bc as a falcon main I see pikachu or inkling and immediately think I wish I was Mario rn instead of getting better at the match up I kind of just give up at a certain point. Falcon has some really incredible match ups where it’s so hard to contend his speed and strength but his bad match ups are really REALLY bad.

[@mattiasrhawi3361]

Do you count Ryu and Ken as one of them being a main and the other being a secondary if you play both of them equally as much competitively? What would you call that? The way I use them is to get an advantage in certain matchups. Even though Ryu and Ken are kinda similar they both still have key differences that gives them an advantage in specific matchups. Would you consider this to be valid with your arguments? Btw the music is kinda loud and I can barely hear you

[@Kaito_Falcon]

So I main Link but typically I can't play one character for too long without getting bored and switching. I can play a lot of characters, and I have in tournament. Last tournament I used Larry, Corrin, and Incineroar alongside Link and I got second. That was online though, at the two in person locals I went to before quarantine I didn't do well with Link and a little Corrin. I also constantly learn new characters for fun. Like at the moment I can play (besides who I already mentioned) Falcon, zss, puff, Falco, Ganon, and probably a few more that I can't remember right now. I am also learning Wolf, Ness, and Diddy for fun. I know that playing all these characters slows down my progress with Link but I never feel like playing just Link for a long time. Is this a common problem or am I weird?

[@jackswain742]

Nobody should tell you how to play the game. Me personally, I play with my friends, I’m decent with most of the characters but I don’t pour in that extra time to learn matchups bc I don’t have much interest in playing competitively myself. A lot of people forget to actually enjoy the game sometimes, do whatever feels right for you.

[@BocchitheGwak]

I main Link and Fox. I don’t secondary any1 I just love playing them

[@Michael-cg5qn]

Zackray and Tweek have entered the chat

[@kingdedede5570]

"average player"

[@AverageHandle_]

I have a “secondary/ pocket pick” for when I get bored of Mario and Lucina

[@despa2336]

I main pt, trying to secondary rosa or like 3 mu's, thoughts?

[@jebstuart3162]

This is part of why I solo Young Link. He's also the character I find the most fun by far

[@bananass44]

Huh, sounds like you rarely have fun lmao

[@madmoxxi7397]

@@bananass44 young link is arguably the most fun character to play with

[@Noot_Penguin]

@@madmoxxi7397 Playing against however

[@huh9400]

@Mull1ns yeah it’s possible or that to be true but most YL mains will just use the same two moves and hide in the corner. It’s frustrating because I can’t blame them. It’s just how the character is designed

[@jacopodeldeo4308]

H U H yl if you want is one of the most aggressive character ever created but nobody play like this because trigger the opponent is more powerful

[@jj6148]

I use rosa and zss because I find both of them really fun.

[@byronvonedmund]

Main: TERRY Secondary: Dark Samus/Joker

[@aldoperez23]

I main Joker,Mario but have recently been playing and learning terry coz he is really fun to use ,I usually only pull out joker for try hard sets and Mario for reg matchups also sometimes my Mario can win MU my joker can’t and vice versa

[@mrdxb1154]

I main peach and my secondary is daisy is this wrong?

[@carpfisherholyghost]

But I need to cover PT's one losing matchup

[@sapphique8635]

i main inkling with a cloud secondary, i play cloud for good out of shield and a mindset change. I feel like switching up my playstyle and laying in with a sword from a distance. Cloud is also pretty easy to play so it doesn't take too much time off my main. I don't know how i scale in terms of above average or average, but I can say that if your secondary has a specific purpose, and that it doesn't take time off your main, its fine to have a secondary

[@im_Spade_]

3:01 is super important

[@moving9071]

I main Yink but feel like I started improving my fundamentals more quickly by playing Lucina as well. Fire arrows are too much of a crutch.

[@eddiemate]

As someone who I think is average (purely guessing though since I’ve never had a chance to compete in a tournament, so maybe take this with a bit of salt), I definitely agree that you don’t need a secondary for mid-level play. I’ve been maining Byleth almost entirely since their release, and so far I don’t have this major 'need' to have a second character to rely on for anything. Just learning my matchups and options has been better than a second character. The only reason I have secondaries (Ganondorf and Ness) is because they were old mains, and I can’t just drop them...

[@Nick-sd6fj]

I have a main but I always find myself trying to learn someone new. I think it's cause when ult first came out Zer0 said in a video that a good smash player can use any character

[@doxazo5512]

My issue is that my main is Ganondorf

[@deltatin2758]

However if you main a low tier or a character with a very volatile MU chart like Belmonts then it might be helpful

[@hyde7100]

I’m definitely better above average and I can 100% agree with sticking to 1 character to work on fundies. I played Sonic and Cloud in 4 and still do in this game and I hit a low, a pretty bad one. So I dropped Sonic temporarily and stuck to Cloud, I worked on my fundamentals, combos, etc and now I can confidently switch between both Sonic and Cloud, ive even started to learn Zss out of pure fun and while yes she needs work, my fundamentals are helping me out a lot. The wait was long but it was worth it

[@EHyde-ir9gb]

What would you say in regards to learning other characters to help learn mindsets and playstyles that they dont usually utilize? Like playing pac man or sonic to learn to 0lay kore defensively.

[@Flyingboy25]

I'd say I comain Samus and snake. Is it still ok to keep plant as a secondary for ness/Lucas as Samus and snake kinda get demolished by them?

[@smashssf2_ssbc15]

I don't know how to fight Samus lol. Lucas main btw

[@mikejo4456]

The Robin and Pika/ZSS feel completely unwinnable. Any tips?

[@Simon_E32]

I agree with everything in this video. I'm a pretty mid-level player (consistent top 25 finishes in my 100+ man local)but I have a co-main situation (Link and Toon Link). I didn't even really want to do this, but both characters really click with me very well. I don't think it's a good practice necessarily, but it works for me

[@Lexgamer]

I'd get bored if I only played my main; I need secondaries.

[@lenkrow3821]

I think that playing one character even when you get bored is part of the grind.

[@Amaling]

And that’s why I settled on Sheik, she has so much depth I don’t get bored. Like I pull off a new combo every day, it’s great

[@Aizaia5]

I have a secondary cuz I can't tell who I'm better with lol so matchups come into play with that

[@Ess-ib9pe]

Sorry, you probably saying stuff that's good but I'm JAMIN

[@jasonlobo2350]

And then we got mkleo with the solo joker shenanigans

[@7mamdouh748]

I'm average and I solo main pokemon trainer, New to smash ultimate I don't really know much about matchups not having played smash in 1 year and a few months. For example, if you're getting destroyed with a projectile character with squirtle, you can choose Ivysaur because he's got razor leaf (a personal favorite) So I'd switch to Ivysaur and fix the matchup. Saying again I don't know much about matchups so I might be completely wrong about this considering I have not played smash in A year. But 50 hours on ultimate makes up for that. (my opinion) I also don't let myself use any other character

[@___i3ambi126]

What would you think about using a normal character against weird low tiers that annoy your main. Example: you main Olimar, but decide to just go Lucina vs camping Zeldas.

[@TheMasterBlaze]

I Co-Main Corrin and Byleth for the sole reason that they are the same Archetype, being zoners, with different match-ups. The character I consider my Secondary is Terry. He does just as well as my mains in terms of results, but the quality of gameplay is much lower than my Corrin/Byleth's gameplay.

[@nd710]

I'm sorry but I love my main Zelda and my secondary Byby, Byleth (M)

[@MoreWyattsports]

I disagree because one if your character has a horrible matchup like snake jiggly and two you can like have a heavy and little character or a sword character and a short range character but you have solid points.

[@cyndawu1940]

Personally, I discourage people to only main one character, or play only a few character. First of all, playing multiple characters can help you learn the mechanics in smash better. I recommend people to play different styles of characters, such as a zoner, a sword character, a speedy character that use fist and kicks, a heavy weight and item projectile characters. You can learn how different character works, their strengths and weaknesses, and you would learn how to deal with them if you face them in a tournament. Another point is that I feel that it is a bit disrespectful if people only plays a few characters out of 70 characters as Sakurai works really hard to create these characters. Despite my points, I agree some of your points too. If people always choose specific characters to deal with a few matchup, then it does not enhance your player skills. In fact, you are encouraging people to change characters to deal with some specific characters in tournaments. This will cause the tournament to become a rock paper scissor game, hoping to pick the right character so they can deal with the characters they do not like. This will ruin the tournament scene as people will be more reliant on luck and counterpick rather than skills and eliminating weaknesses.

[@ryrai3782]

I get where your coming from but you dont need to main a certain character in order to learn how they work whether its projectile based or sword based, you can simply just play the character to get a feel for them and they're overall tool kit. Another way to do that tho and overall the best way is to just play against the certain character using your main. About the sakurai thing I dont really find it disrespectful to only main one character because you have to know that this is probably the most popular smash game yet in the franchise and there are probably hundreds to thousands of people who main that one character that Sakurai worked so hard on. Btw i think your underestimating the word "Main", when you main a character your devoting all your time and competetive expirence whether its in tournament, friendlies, or even quickplay to this one character and imo thats a huge deal when it comes to maining more than one character.

[@lancelee338]

Ha! In Smash 4, I didn’t even have a main! Not until like the last few months

[@Creepo_J]

This is great advice because we need to master one character at a time and not just play characters to make the game easier for you

[@ExpertDual]

I don't own ultimate but I play my friend who literally never stays on one character unless it's for a set at the end of a session. Like we play one game and he switches characters every game. Should I tell him to stay on his characters more often even if it wouldn't be fun for him??? Like even after one game he switches to like 20 different characters in a session.

[@TSMetaux]

Unless he’s playing competitive and really want to get to top, no play for fun, if u get enough skill with one character to beat him when he play random character that he doesn’t main, hell switch, also playing every character a bit help to understand what are their goal and what setup they need

[@Koujicoco]

Cosmos and corrin 👀

[@Theodore1999]

I main Rosalina and have a pocket Lucina, it's almost impossible for me to play against some character (e.g. chrome/ ditto) with my Rosa, and also it can throw off some of my opponents when they expected my Rosa. Lucina is basic enough as well so I won't really lose too much time practising her instead of Rosa

[@pango4425]

I'll just stick to Plant Gang then :)

[@HaxHaunter]

and what if i just get bored of fucking playing the same character over and over again and i need an alternative to not just get burned out as fuck but also to find an alternative over that annoying guy in a tourney that is kicking my ass with a specific character because the matchup is disadvantageous against my main?

[@shy_BM]

Is PT a bad character for average players?

[@Jacob-ne5um]

No, PT is a well balanced character for you to play, especially if they are as your main. They have basic fundamentals of smash in their kit yet the further you develop as a player the more tech there is for the character.

[@shy_BM]

@@Jacob-ne5um oh I see, guess I'll solo main pt

[@kingbill8155]

When I have neither a main nor a secondary...

[@ryngtolu4334]

I wanted to see the rest of the Daisy/Rosa match :(

[@Piayer_4]

I won the match 😏