Don't fall for this AI Art Book SCAM!!!

[@SylvesterLazarus]

My favorite thing is how even if it wasn't AI, the book fails to teach anything, not even as much as literally any search result from google.

[@user-10021]

Back when I was younger (2010s) literally all art tutorial books in stores were like this, without AI and all the free learn to draw apps in the app store too. It’s all random shit stolen from some instagram artist and it teaches nothing :( One of the reasons why I switched to KZbin as a kid.

[@themightierpencil]

Literally as soon as he opened the pdf my first thought was…it’s not telling you how to do any of this 😂

[@jannikf2504]

yeah exactly

[@iAmNothingness]

I do have problems that these people pretend to be artists. It is ai generated. Nothing drawn about it. It is the pretending that is giving me an ick.

[@SylvesterLazarus]

​@@iAmNothingness I actually don't like the words art and artist for the most part, they are really vague and don't have much meaning anymore. Both me, a mainly digital + somewhat traditional artist and someone who generates AI images are creators of two different kind, I'm more bothered by how many AI users get into a trap of manufacturing instead of creating, many times wasting their own potential they don't even know they have. People can make animations with Source Filmmaker, using assets other people made instead of drawing them and they can make amazing things, just like AI users, and people who are not interested in art and just generate 10 000 passable at best AI images to sell prints or for literal cents or scam books like this one hurt everyone in the process, and sites don't want to do anything about them, because they still make money on their cheap manufactured products.

[@EquinoxVideo]

AI scammers tried to sell me an art course. I downloaded their promotional PDF "25 tips to improving your watercolor paintings" which included tips like "Control your water" and "You need to mix your colors" They had AI generated a manual and hadn't bothered to even edit it as it had the identical tip twice and even contradicted itself directly. Gotta keep our eyes open!

[@EryanArethse]

​@rexs.5188 I wonder if the book gave a tip that you need paper.

[@sethstuffanimates8419]

@rexs.5188 god forbid i need a BRUSH... the hell even is that... bbbberrrrruuuuushhh.... sounds alien...

[@nopewmv3377]

This reminds me of Surf Ninjas. "bend your knees, use your arms!" Huh??

[@Rin-qj7zt]

they will learn and present you with some sample that is more convincing next time.

[@ComfyChroma]

Step #3 you must use water when working with watercolors

[@imaprettygnome9287]

AI should be doing the dishes for me, not doing my hobbies for me.

[@arran4285]

You shouldn't say that because you will likely be killed when AI get to human level

[@Cat-ct9hn]

@@arran4285washing the dishes really isn‘t a task that requires human-level intelligence though. And I absolutely agree with the sentiment - I think AI and technology should make tedious (and especially dangerous) stuff easier, not replace human creativity with garbage. And that doesn’t mean that artists can‘t use AI in their work - I’ve sadly forgotten the name but there was a very interesting artist I saw in Amos Rex in Helsinki. But I feel like the people using AI for children‘s books etc. mostly use it to make a quick buck, robbing us of the care and thought that should go into books like that.

[@zykzi]

@@Cat-ct9hn could you describe the artwork you saw in helsinki? really interested to hear more about how this person incorporates AI into their art.

[@FairlyFatherless]

​@arran4285 I've always wondered why people were always terrified of the possibility of an A.I. superseding us. If we have the capacity to make something vastly more intelligent than us, capable of predicting billions of potential outcomes in mere moments, why shouldn't we? If we somehow had the capacity to create God, why wouldn't we? In the meantime, though, A.I. has a hard time drawing hands and forming compelling stories, so we've got some breathing room to work out the existential dread.

[@erlenmeyer._flask]

@@Cat-ct9hn It literally makes me so sad because my dream job is to be a children's illustrator :(

[@AwkwardBirb]

The worst part is even when people do catch on to them, these “comic pencil” type companies can just change names and websites and continue fleecing people. 😢

[@mrscb5303]

I was just gonna say, they’ll just change the name and start over. It’s good that we have some KZbinrs we can trust to let us know but so many people don’t.

[@Mrhellslayerz]

Find out who runs the business and call 'em out next time an art book is released. Proper, honest and unbiased documentation can solve this problem.

[@YEs69th420]

​@@MrhellslayerzNo it won't.

[@Mrhellslayerz]

@@YEs69th420 yeah it will

[@YEs69th420]

@@Mrhellslayerz Exposing grifters with a youtube video doesnt do anything

[@anisecandy3108]

Oh my god, some of those illustrations are straight up stolen from Loomis' book on how to draw heads. The audacity??

[@WhozaCardoza]

LOL

[@elisabethherzog9369]

That’s exactly what I thought. Like that whole ball with the nail in it is just directly from that book. There were a lot of other ones from that book too that I recognised instantly.

[@hamilcar682]

Yep, Drawing Heads and Hands, and Creative Illustration. The thing is this is illegal, all of his art inst. books are back in print.

[@tandarat]

Send a link to the publisher of the original books. Maybe include the PDFs. I'm sure they would be very interested to know.

[@jarosbodytko6462]

Yep, I noticed that too. I have the Loomis books as well and recognised several images from those books.

[@millenniumf1138]

This really puts on full display that AI art is not really about "democratizing art", but rather it's just people who want to make money with no effort or skill.

[@theothercomicguy]

Exactly

[@UnknownDino]

"democratizing art" is used to gaslight artists. People should stop falling for it.

[@tsdobbi]

I've already encountered a gigantic influx of history youtube channels that use chat GPT generated scripts, AI narrators and AI art and also have the audacity to "sell prints of our amazing art work featured in the videos!"

[@this_is_patrick]

Anyone that advertises their product as "democratizing" something rarely lead to anything good. Content sharing platforms were said to democratize media creation, crypto currency for finance and banking, AI for art and literature, and NFTs and the blockchain for digital asset ownership. None of it worked as advertised thus far.

[@Tommy9834]

LIFE itself, is all about getting the most reward, for the lowest cost.

[@danielbrugovsky6018]

I immediately recognised those heads at 7:50. They're grabbed from the book "Drawing the head and hands" by Andrew Loomis. All of the tutorial images bar the sized up "final image" are his. Those big images are the result of them feeding the final sketch of the head into an AI and telling it to "finish it" or something. Frankly disgusting as Loomis was a legend and a pioneer in comic books and illustrations. The images don't seem helpful today, but we are talking about one of the oldest books meant to help artists in the 1950s.

[@ThyJubinator]

You've said it perfectly.

[@Terrain_Craft_Chronicles]

Yep... the moment I saw the constructional drawings I thought hang on a minute I know those heads! But yes the final render is not the end result of those constructions... also some of the later so called construction drawings, as Jazza points out, have no technical skill in them whereas the Loomis drawings clearly do. But aside from all that there is literally no educational content that I can see at all.

[@katekiler]

bad book made out of a bad book. what a coincidence

[@JustPlainAwfulStreams]

i google image searched what you said and its a word for word copy alongside an exact copy of the images

[@chamfam_]

Was just about to comment this! Couldn’t have said it better.

[@tet-life]

There's an entire industry already making money from AI generated books. Coloring books are the most popular but there's also children's illustrated books, comics and more.

[@bluefox5331]

There's even mushroom ID guides which is horrifying

[@gunnarc1113]

Have you heard the Behind the Bastards episode on that? I think it was called "AI is Coming for Your Kids".

[@EquinoxVideo]

The only people making money from this "industry" are KZbinrs pretending its a way to make money. Its just not true.

[@vvitch-mist20]

@@EquinoxVideo It is a way to make a living, as people do it, but it's not going to make you rich, and it's hard work.

[@hex11144]

As someone who sells hand-drawn mandala colouring books on Amazon, I can confirm that I’m constantly in competition with these AI generated books being spammed onto the platform 🤦🏻 not to mention all the Amazon KDP KZbinrs supporting and encouraging it…

[@SousSherpa]

At least two of the pages are taken from Loomis. The page about Planes (shadows) and the ball construction page (Head). It was taken directly from Loomis.

[@daina3628]

The funny characters are from "Fun with a Pencil".

[@yannmassard3970]

no it hasnt, loomis stole these in the first place

[@SousSherpa]

@@yannmassard3970 "not it hasnt" What does that even mean? It was taken from Loomis.

[@tsdobbi]

Yep, first thing I noticed and they didn't even create their own version of those illustrations, they literally just photocopied them.

[@bizarro-7]

​@@yannmassard3970That is false information. You are wrong.

[@Object_Reference]

Don't contact the scammers for a refund. Credit card charge back is your friend my guy.

[@Lionwoman]

This, people!

[@blazingarrows6117]

How on earth do you do that?

[@ZombieChicken-X]

you call your bank not long after the purchase@@blazingarrows6117

[@427skies]

​@@blazingarrows6117 Call your bank.

[@kiwisocks]

​@@blazingarrows6117 It will depend on the card, so google "How do I charge back [card]". Not getting what you were promised through an online purchase and the merchant not dealing a refund the main purpose of it.

[@mufasum]

the irony of making an AI artbook is hilarious

[@iZelmon]

AI-bros say artist is worthless yet selling to that very same demographic 😂

[@Auxius.]

@@iZelmon The scene from fight club keeps popping up in my head "We're basically selling their fat asses back to them" when they were making soap from stolen lipo-suction fat.

[@someuser4166]

​@@iZelmonwe're useless until they want to generate something that they haven't been able to steal yet

[@eriqone9245]

Waiting for jazzas brother to make one 🤣

[@r.rodriguez4991]

​@@eriqone9245 How do you know this wasn't him. 🤔

[@FarOutJunk]

I used to value all life, and then AI grifters showed up.

[@ceeemm1901]

When to much 'intelligence' is not a good thing. The future is now.

[@FabiTheSnake]

Common AI scams; 1. People training a model on an individual artists who is talented, but not known, and selling it. 2. People commissioning, asking for a WIP, and then just ghosting the artist and completing it with AI. 3. This book lmao. These practices have probably all been used in this example, the art is sourced from Talented, Practiced artists, but it´s just theyr work canned with Ai. These 3 are just the things i know about, there of course is even worse things like impersonation, but damn. It´s a shame, AI could be so usefull, but it just is filled with too much trickery and just bad intend, i can only think we would be better off without that.

[@bagelisdead]

Yes. While I think AI could be an incredible tool for artists, the way it is right now unfortunately makes it way too easy to use it maliciously. There is little to no regulation, the AI art community is rampant with art theft, and it's evolving faster than we could figure out the ethics of using it. I don't think the AI itself is the problem, it's always the people using it who are responsible.

[@squirrelhallowino29]

This book is not good but i have bought a couple good ai book comics. There's shitty artists everywhere, there's shitty people everywhere. It's not exclusive to Ai artists. People are retarded. You wouldn't comission a artist you don't think it's good and trustworthy, take the same general fucking rule with Ai.

[@squirrelhallowino29]

Regulating usually means you being fucked in the ass by your government. But ofc it's not like our generation has to work in mc donalds and never has money for a home, unlike 80s families that had home and a couple kids, now your girlfriend has a pink hair and u guys have a cat and live in a ''studio apartment''. Think about it mate, the more you give the more they take. But idk if people will ever do that. Use their brains i mean. @@bagelisdead

[@rainsparks29]

#2 is why it's so important that artists charge at least part of the price before starting the comm. It's more or less essential nowadays, and I reckon it's gonna be the less experienced artists who underprice their work that get preyed on the most :(

[@SanjayDeyPartho]

I don't agree with the first one

[@gwenhyfarbeati]

all of the "sketched" bits in the comic guidebook that you point out are from andrew loomis. at 7:50 the whole top half of that page is from page 21 of "drawing the head and hands" by loomis. the spread of heads from 8:29 is from page 42 of "fun with a pencil" by loomis. the top half of the page at 8:35 is from page 26 of "drawing the head and hands" by loomis and the top half of the page at 8:38 is from page 27 of the same book. 8:39 is page 28, 8:40 the top of the page is from page 29, 8:42 is page 30, top of 8:45 is page 33, 8:46 is page 34. 8:49 the heads with crosses AND the text is word for word from page 36. at 9:36 the four sketched examples are from page 38, the other two examples are likely AI "finishing" them. i could probably find more, but i think even without i can confidently say that book at least is 95% loomis with a bunch of AI or other stolen work thrown in.

[@PaulPeredaArt]

I was looking for this comment, yes indeed I actually I'm looking and training with Andrew Loomi's books and at the moment I saw them is very obvious a mix of stealing and using AI which is stealing as well...

[@AndreSjoberg]

Edit: having originally thought the Loomis books where in the public domain, it turns out they have been renewed in relation to changes in copyright law, and the loomis books are copyrighted for several more years, which makes the use of those illustrations in these digital knockoffs a pretty clear cut case of theft, which is baaaaad :/

[@Trespas]

I thought they looked familiar but couldn't figure out where I've seen them. But now that you said it and i checked my own books by Loomis, you are absolutely right. Good eye.

[@space.tel-e-grams]

not only the illustrations but the copy on those pages are word for word taken from the Loomis books too

[@nihilnothing]

Oh wow, just had to pull up my copy and spot on, 7:50 is taken from page 21. Not adapted or referenced, but literally copy pasted.

[@MoistCrumpet]

Someone online somewhere made a very good point that kinda stuck with me. We should be using ai to get rid of jobs that not a lot of people want to do like dishwashing and factory work for example. But a lot of people are very passionate about the art they create and really genuinely want to turn it into a career. But people are not only trying to get rid of a job that many people love having, but are also stealing artists’ work in the process. Ai art leaves such a bad taste in my mouth.

[@LaChroniqueEdgy1816]

It's crazy how, now, people who can't make art are making art tutorial books. Actually insane.

[@demo2823]

People who can't make art have always been making art tutorial books. I got the most horrid photoshop art book. Might as well have used Microsoft Paint to cut out shapes and paste them over with no concern for lighting or the loss of integrity through rotation etc.

[@lunarpollen]

except it's not actually an art tutorial book, it's a shitty fraudulent product designed to fool people into thinking it's an art tutorial book.

[@FrenkTheJoy]

@@demo2823 Yeah, I'm not thrilled with people charging for entirely ai-generated art books or anything, but "now people who can't make art are making art tutorial books" clearly did not often look through the "how to draw" books in stores about 20 years ago. Or hell even today, Chris Hart still makes books!

[@Exodia_Misogynist]

Now you are finally recognizing that not everyone can do art. Cynical humans.

[@quinnfarris]

And thats also bad and a waste of peoples money. AI allows scammers to scam you more efficiently​@demo2823

[@ComfyChroma]

I find it more and more difficult not to be incredibly pessimistic about the future. With how easy it is to make crap like this, in the next 5 to 10 years the majority of everything on the internet is going to be ai based content, and I’m not looking forward to it.

[@subterranean327]

At that point, the internet will have to radically evolve to stay relevant. I'd argue it's already happening.

[@ComfyChroma]

@@subterranean327 your correct. I’ve read a few articles lately that said already 10% of all things being uploaded to the internet are from AI, and another that said that AI has already created more pictures than real photographs taken in the last 150 years, also a study that said by 2025 90% of all internet content will be AI “curated”. I’m not against AI, but I am against a lot of the ways it’s already being used today, and as everyone always says, AI is going to get better and better exponentially faster than most people realize.

[@readbycandle7489]

There really isn’t much difference between AI generated information and the information people who just use Google with no original input present. The later is rampant on social media and some of the biggest earners in art and history don’t even work in the field now, they’re content creators not academics. We already accept this so the transition to AI is made much easier.

[@skyless_moon]

Okay, but have you seen the master chief toyota murano videos?

[@mikew466]

It will eventually all be fake scams and lowest effort product. All just a bunch of people trying to race each other to the bottom.

[@chouderr1089]

Give it to shad as a birthday gift.

[@S3b0rg]

I got a stomach ache from how much this made me laugh

[@Squig96]

Who is shad?

[@horaciosalazargomez9488]

That'd be a great prank 🤣

[@nyx5056]

@@Squig96Jazza's brother who is mostly a youtube conman and (recently) AI artist

[@PutItAway101]

@@Squig96 Delusional Aussie nerd who thinks that writing detailed prompts and tweaking the results makes you a great artist.

[@innocentBystander19]

I honestly knew immediately from the cover. When you’ve experimented a little with AI, those expressions really stand out. AI has a hard time adding a smile without adding a WAY over the top smile.

[@moonkatmagic5599]

Yes, and they can’t get eyes and hands right until a few go. Even then…

[@kestrelerickson3387]

The first cover for the "Female Illust" has them all smiling. I know what you mean but that's not really a comparison.

[@TunaIRL]

Isn't a caricature supposed to be very over the top though. You know exaggerating everything

[@davidaugustofc2574]

​​@@TunaIRL there's levels to this, exaggerating a emotion doesn't mean making every smile the same.

[@TunaIRL]

@@davidaugustofc2574 A smile can be way over the top in many ways. Not sure who argued they all have to be the same.

[@Furamb]

"All products are created by artists who have studied portrait painting for many years." ...from whom we stole work.

[@elluushaa]

Literally

[@guillermomurillo1600]

I recognize many of those images, especially the man portraits. Some of those are stollen from a Andrew Loomis book called “Drawing the head and Hands”.

[@superfly2449]

AI producing a “How to Draw Hands” book would be bizarre.

[@BlueMoonCartoons]

A lot of stolen Loomis art

[@PinkClassicalMood]

That is true! I recognized a lot of the portraits from Andrew Loomis ”Drawing the Head and Hands”, is this even legal?

[@scotty-g-864]

Totally agree. Not so much the finished heads, but the step by steps leading up are ripped right out a loomis book!

[@chrom0xide123]

Thats what I thought, too.

[@rskrakau8137]

Yes, some are 1 to 1 from Loomis

[@animation114]

I guess Jazza hasn’t read that basic one

[@fje042]

A lot of this is from "fun with a pencil" from Andrew Loomis

[@KarenDellaLuna]

Oh no! 😮 seriously?? This just got even worse!!! 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@JuriAmari]

Yep. Looks like we’ve got art theft! Granted Loomis’s work is public domain but it’s still not okay that it’s being used like this.

[@maruskaferrari2181]

@@JuriAmari All AI is art theft

[@dwintster]

it also has images from 3d total fundamentals of character design series, and some other art books I own. its basically all theft. this is sad.

[@PresumablyTunes]

The fact that it's public domain means it is quite literally okay that it's being used like this. HOWEVER, this is terrible, sloppy use of it.@@JuriAmari

[@Logjambam]

I think it's interesting (and telling) how even with the best AI some of the people who are passionless enough to make AI 'art' still don't understand the actual creative process well enough to make something that holds up past any scrutiny

[@Blakbox92]

it only seems to be the laziest and least creative people messing with this technology, nobody is doing anything with it that requires effort or much beyond just prompting and posting the slop that results.

[@skybite]

An “anime festival” had an artist sell Ai art and credit himself as the artist. He doesn’t do commissions and when I asked him if he drew these by giving him a paper and pencil, he refused until he left the booth.

[@pillow4casestudies]

nice

[@TheSweetSpirit]

Why did you put in quotations “anime festival”? :0

[@skybite]

@@TheSweetSpirit the whole convention is a scam and they don’t allow people to video record or take photographies in the hall which is why it is crowded outside.

[@leoo.3828]

​@@TheSweetSpirit Because if it's the same event that I'm thinking of, it wasn't a festival, it was an event like Animecon - ComicCon, but saying 'Anime Festival' sounds better because then people have a general idea of ​​what the event is. Besides, you don't expose the name of the event because, well, they get a bad reputation and stuff like that, I guess 😅

[@skybite]

@@TheSweetSpirit because it was a misleading event.

[@felicianomiko5659]

Oh the artists they ‘trained’ the AI on did in fact work for years to perfect their craft. Ugh. Such a horrid scam.

[@virtualmartini]

lmao every artist trains on art that others spent years perfecting and creating. You did too. This continues to be one of the dumbest arguments in history.

[@felicianomiko5659]

@@virtualmartini Tell me you don’t understand how living consciousness works and learns without telling me you don’t understand how living consciousness works and learns.

[@DragoonBoom]

@@virtualmartini Did you write this with chat gpt?

[@TheEggDev]

@@felicianomiko5659to be fair, ai (ml specifically) does learn in similar-ish way to how humans do. The most common ML model (neural networks) were directly inspired and is a (extremely simplified) digital replication of the human brain. You might be surprised how much Ai learning correlates to human learning, But the difference, in my opinion, is that one is a conscience being and the other a product (or more often service) that is sold and so creator rights and copyright and stuff cant be treated in the same way for both, debatably

[@eddieray]

@@virtualmartini What's your occupation?

[@skedizzle]

There NEEDS to be LAWS around this AI stuff. I wanted to be an artist but I'm afraid to put myself out there now because AI can just steal my stuff if someone wants it. Art theft has always been a problem online, but now it's even WORSE.

[@stolenkill6282]

Being afraid of ai stealing your art isnt an issue for two reasons: 1-existence of glaze and nightshade services which make stealing your particular drawing impossible for ai 2-it would take quite a bit of following for someone to be interested enough to steal your stuff

[@apollosperineum]

@@stolenkill6282about the second point, not only is that an assumption, but it only needs one person to want to train an ai after your style, not thousands. even if just eight people are exposed to your work, not all eight people will have good intentions, obviously anything can happen.

[@darkcrydotmrihavetoomanyst1440]

​​@@stolenkill6282 there's a issue with glaze and nightshade It takes a lot of computer power to run. Not everyone has a computer (or a computer powerful enough to do it) And I have seen people steal art from small creators sadly (it happened to one of my online friends)

[@ZachAttackIsBack]

If people start stealing your art with AI, congratulations, you've made it as an artist.

[@itsyaboidaniel2919]

If you're afraid of having your stuff stolen, then don't make digital art at all. Someone will copy and paste it one day, and boom, it's now "stolen" art. Your mindset wouldn't have made much of a popular artist. If you ever got your art stolen, you've probably actually made good art, and should be proud of yourself for your accomplishments.

[@yellheahtris]

I will absolutely own up to the fact that I have grown increasingly negatively biased against AI in art and writing. It absolutely has its uses and can even be helpful in ways, but it is so unregulated it is causing things like this to become rampant and even dangerous. Deep fakes and AI voice covers are already immensely popular and only growing in accuracy. Especially in art. I believe I have a good eye for AI generated art, but I've definelty been fooled before, and bet I will continue to be. I hope I never unwillingly spend money on AI art

[@StefanCreates]

And you will get fooled more easily as time goes on

[@ShintogaDeathAngel]

​@@StefanCreates unfortunately true.

[@houndgirl7365]

Always ask for proof and continued WIP pics if they can't offer it to you to show its not AI then I would question the legitimacy.

[@gordonbrinkmann]

But maybe AI is not even the problem here, no matter how much you dislike it. Some comments here confirm my first suspicion that this is just blatantly stolen work from others. Which is a problem that already existed way before AI.

[@Thesamurai1999]

@@gordonbrinkmannThe problem is how AI is being abused by corporations and other people

[@celestethoms]

I saw this ad and pointed out that they stole this content and another guy pointed out the AI they blocked us from commenting. The construction is stolen from Andrew Loomis books.

[@2ndeaster]

It's sad that you can't just appreciate art nowadays . You have to do a cross-reference analysis, looking at the artist's source, looking at the artifacts to make sure you're not mistaking it for AI slop.

[@willdegra317]

Sad but now people will appreciate hand drawn much more. There was a time no one cared about hand made furniture, but now a dude who can do that is a king.

[@willscorner8423]

There is no difference between Ai Art and human art. Both Ai and human work the same way.

[@2ndeaster]

@@willscorner8423 Please apologize to tree that waste its energy to produce oxygen so that you can live your pathetic live.

[@RamuneSky]

@@willscorner8423AI Art is made from an unethical database (art taken from artists Without Consent), Human Art is made from practice and actually putting work in it's not the same

[@hacknwack4065]

@@willscorner8423 mf LOOK AT IT

[@bigman7856]

No credit, no human, no sense, no substance. Not sure how this stuff can be defended, but it’s the ultimate conclusion of AI art.

[@keioshiri4198]

​@Ignacio-hv5yl ai art literally based on stealing

[@keioshiri4198]

@Ignacio-hv5yl tf you mean how? They take copyright images, art, etc, tagging chunks on images of what human eye sees and scrap image to data for algorithm.

[@amyroze3205]

​@Ignacio-hv5ylokay then, how it works?

[@keioshiri4198]

@Ignacio-hv5yl then what it does?

[@ellenort9355]

​@Ignacio-hv5yl It copies the data, add a noise add a layer of noise again and again until it becomes a image you can't see anything. Then it learns to reverse the process. Then mixing that noise with other images is what gives you a "new" image. Also if the AI train on the same image too much which happens when there are different sources for the same image it can make identical copies. It is copyright infringement 100%

[@kandystorressantiago8865]

I saw a school that teaches students how to do art like painting, sketching, and illustration, use ai art for their poster to advertise their art school. The ad was missing a finger, and there were object there that shouldn't have finger like things there. I was disappointed because they are suppose to teach students how traditional art is valuable, but then decide to not value graphic design as an art form and use ai art instead, and not even have the time to double check it for imperfections.

[@Romanticoutlaw]

reminds me of the wacom promotional art, exact same story. It seems they had bought the asset from a site that claimed it wasn't ai generated, and then just... believed it? Allegedly?

[@FrenkTheJoy]

My art college had a contest to design new wraps for the campus buses and just chose the shittiest, ugliest, most confusing photos for all of the buses, thus leaving out the entire remainder of the school. I know it's not the same as using ai art but art schools tend to just disrespect students' artwork anyway.

[@Blakbox92]

sounds like a school to avoid, if they're cheaping out there, who knows how bad the course is

[@johanstone]

This is the ai equivalent of that meme that goes 'how to draw an owl: 1 draw some circles 2 draw the rest of the fu

[@TheConceptBoy]

OK, this is interesting. I came across their ad on facebook and posted a note about it being AI. And IMMEDIATELY got blocked.. like not even 10 seconds have passed. They likely have a bot setup to scan for comments that mention this is AI and block immediately.

[@Tail_sez]

We need some kind of code word for AI, to stop that kind of thing. Something generic enough for them not to be able to recognize it as a code word without also 'zapping' good comments too.

[@OnigoroshiZero]

@@Tail_sez too bad the AI LLMs are better at pattern recognition than humans. The "something generic" will still be found out by bots using some kind of LLM as a core, before other humans understand what it means.

[@robn2171]

Same exact thing happened to me.

[@scarm_rune]

@@Tail_sez benders?

[@MisterPotter]

I mean good, why ruin people's business

[@boychowskibrothers]

As soon as Jazza 1st showed the front page of the "book" I instantly knew it was AI. That generic cartoony pixar style and overly rendered for a supposedly "how to draw" book.

[@cockenballtorture]

"book" in quotes is a bit unnecessary. it is a book, a shit one but a book nonetheless

[@boychowskibrothers]

@@cockenballtorture well he said the "books" were in PDF form. Artificial art presented in artificial books so I'd say the quotations were super necessary.

[@Usaji_]

It’s interesting to me that him as someone that uses AI Couldn’t notice it, I don’t like AI and can spot the AI a mile away and it was obvious from the start what that was

[@boychowskibrothers]

@@Usaji_ don't wanna presume or pretend I know but maybe because he likes/use it he didn't notice at 1st or just got caught slipping. We all will eventually get caught out at some point, it's good that he admitted his mistake and warned people.

[@daina3628]

The head drawing illustrations are stolen from Andrew Loomis, very much a human. The female drawings are probably stolen as well, not generated. Why generate when they can simply steal?

[@asdion]

I find this amazing, to see someone who legit falls for ads, and then proceeds to fall for the upsell, whose following reaction is not "That looks scummy" but "I want to do that too" And not researching a product before buying, and especially when it comes to art, not even bothering to ask himself "who made this". Really gives you a context when it comes to why scammers advertise like that despite it looking incredibly sus to someone who is naturally distrustful.

[@rosalyna.6620]

Exactly!

[@rzeka]

It blows my mind to think that anyone clicks on internet ads at all. Maybe it's because I learned from an early age that they're worthless, or maybe I'm just cynical, but using a computer without adblock feels like driving without a seatbelt. And the thought of clicking an ad is like imagining touching a hot stove.

[@BendsSpace]

13:17 "It's very unethical" It's also 100% fraud. They can't sell something claiming it's "made by artists with years of experience" if it's AI generated. The US legal system sucks so that will never get back to them but I sure hope it does.

[@willdegra317]

All legal systems “suck”. They’re not made for you. They don’t suck for the lawmakers or their friends / donors.

[@CollectorDuck]

They can because all AI does is copy things that already exists. Whether they have the intellectual property rights of all the stuff they've ripped off from is another question ;)

[@BendsSpace]

@@CollectorDuck I was saying it's fraud because they claim on their website that it was created by "artists with years of experience in ..." which is either a blatant lie or intentionally misleading consumers--both of which fall under fraud. Just like how selling fools gold as "24k gold" or reselling factory produced things as "handmade" would be fraud.

[@BendsSpace]

@@willdegra317 Definitely agree, though some legal systems do a better job protecting consumers. For example, I would consider the EU to be better at that.

[@tteqhu]

@@BendsSpace well... AI was definitely using art made by artists with years of experience, lol.

[@onhandart]

Dispute the charge with your bank or credit card company if you can't get a refund. Then report the ad if you can find it.

[@dracos24]

Pretty shady to be profiting commercially off a purchase and still dispute it. Its a dine & dash, imo.

[@onhandart]

@@dracos24 The way I see it, the publisher totally misrepresented the product then disappeared. If it was just that he didn't like it or thought it wasn't good enough I would agree with you. In this case it looks like the book doesn't deliver the instruction they promised.

[@criscat1750]

​@@dracos24 you are beyond delusional

[@Appletank8]

@@dracos24 If a restaurant wrote "rice" and gave me cow shit, I'd ask for a refund too.

[@monochrome_soft9472]

@@Appletank8ah but see you uploaded a video on the internet warning people not to order the cow shit, so who really came out on top here?

[@nelyrions1838]

Internet is being filled rapidly with AI junk. It opens up possibilities for scammers in both art and text, webdesign and many other IT fields to pump out junk at an alarming rate.

[@kashe7285]

love how you can even tell its directly stolen from specific artists, like its not even subtle. its just blatant art theft

[@SanjayDeyPartho]

You can't copyright artstyle

[@hgilbert]

@@SanjayDeyPartho no, sure. can you draw by hand using someone's else artstyle? or do you need a behemoth cluster of servers - that went on a rampage stealing billions of copyrighted material without the owner's permission - to do the job for you? fun fact. try and draw & paint like rembrandt or michaelangelo you can't. people study for over 20 years trying, master-copying 200 images - and still fail miserably. so go ahead, worship the Borgs, and welcome your "assimilation"

[@kashe7285]

@SanjayDeyPartho this is such a terrible argument, its laughable you even tried to disguise it as a good counter

[@SanjayDeyPartho]

​@@kashe7285I am not arguing with you, I am just stating fact

[@daina3628]

​@@SanjayDeyParthobut you can copyright books, and these are stolen directly from Andrew Loomis' books, as is. Not AI at all.

[@kellyro77]

It's disturbing how fast AI generated stuff is being pushed out into our world. I'm even to a point right now where I'm not trusting any new channels on KZbin - most especially channels that are just narrated, although I acknowledge even human beings can be deep-faked, too.

[@Kio_Kurashi]

At least if it's a channel that shows the process you can mostly trust it isn't AI. Well, as long as the video is over 60 seconds long now XD

[@sleeper6548]

I remember Linus from LTT made a video about deepfaking youtube videos and that was my first time seeing it, at first I thought "pretty cool, work load would be lessen" but stuff people are doing now with AI is absolutely either hilarious (trump playing minecraft lol) or disgusting (like this)

[@tappydani9378]

My guess is conservatives and Russia really fiending for this tech, and paying out the nose, for the disinfo capabilities.

[@BecxyBoo]

Yikes, They should get sued for blatant false advertising but the buyers do not have enough money to sue them and therefore they'll continue to get away with scamming more and more people.

[@b3n3d1ct10n]

It’s so sketchy! They might as well be saying ‘ You too can acquire the skills which will make us steal from you’.

[@regis_c]

A sketchbook being the sketch itself

[@NIGHT15]

The level of disgust and depravity, these people have no shame.

[@St-ef9ru]

We're living in times where humans do the hard work and machines make poetry. Anyone who defends AI image generators is either ignorant to its "learning" process or uncaring towards actual artists. Something inherently human being mass-produced by machines made by companies like OpenAI through the theft of thousands, if not millions or billions of artistic creations, and people defend it in the name of "democratizing art".

[@Cat-ct9hn]

As one artist put it, nothing is more democratic than a pencil and paper

[@gggg-zq4sy]

if democratization means a meaningless garbage that was combined and stolen piece by piece from a thousand talanted people with a huge creative experience for the profit of someone who didn’t even bother to lift a pencil or his brain to create truly needable, handy and unique content, so fuck it. The Internet space is already oversaturated, and now it will be even more difficult to find unique brilliants in this dump.

[@regis_c]

I felt like calligraphers also feared when the typewriter came out, and yet they persisted

[@regis_c]

I personally don't like art (I do cartoons instead), but what's the deal? Photography replaced portrait artists Typewriters replaced calligraphers It was inevitable in a sense

[@iiruniaalice1764]

on top of all that (AI, shady etc..), its mildly infuriating the way they organized the pages: the texts were just slapped there with no care... different margins all across, my brain just wants to align things consistently.

[@CLIP23370]

I’m making a killing making these ,loads ogh money

[@dayrarosado1027]

Artists with a Graphic Design bachelor's here 👋 (though feel free to correct me if I've made any incorrect assumptions), let me tell you OH BOY, this book is a disaster. I took a careful look at the ad there and found a bunch of critical errors. (also sorry if Jazza already metions this later on) Here's the list: 1. No summary nor description of what the book is about anywhere. 2. The back cover is blank. 3. The margins (space between the edge of the page and the content of the book itself) are too short, and some of the images are cut off because of this. 4. The images take too much space, and some overlap each other and are too close to the text. They should either overlap or have enough space. Picking both makes for an inconsistent book. 5. No page numbers that I can see. 6. The paragraph styles are all wonky. They keep flipping from left aligned to centered for no reason. Again no consistency. 7. Some of the paragraphs have singular words sitting alone at the end of them. That is a big no-no from what I was instructed, always have at the very least 2 to 3 words at the very end as to not disrupt the flow of the reader. 8. The titles to the sections are very generic and don't really define the section very well. 9. The styles of the drawings are very alike but a bit inconsistent, AGAIN. Why flip from soft, fully rendered 3d animation look to more harsh, heavy contrast comic book look? 10. No title, introduction, dedication, acknowledgments, or table of contents page/pages. 11. No editors/copyright page, SUPER SUS. 12. Some of the drawings were repeated several times on different sections. And lastly, I SWEAR, when they started flipping the pages quickly, some of the pages themselves repeated!!! Meaning that the book is a lot smaller than it looks and is supposed to have fewer pages. EVIL!!!! I'm so mad because usually, the target demographic for these books are beginner artists who just don't have the money to waste on this garbage and are genuinely trying to educate themselves/master their craft, THE HECK IS WRONG WITH SOME PEOPLE. Anyway, sorry for the essay, but I hope this helps with being able to tell the difference between legit/professional books and scams or low quality ones.😅

[@Romanticoutlaw]

god, back in my day we just had _very_ amateur "how to draw anime" books (if you were lucky, some of those even taught you a fundamental or two, like three-point perspective). I feel for kids growing up with this ai crap

[@daina3628]

The heads and cartoonish illustrations are stolen from Andrew Loomis.

[@mb3938]

you can spot this without a degree...you needed a degree to spot these? lol

[@dayrarosado1027]

@mb3938 Well, yes, it's true that most of these mistakes are glaringly obvious, but some of those may not even register as a mistake for the untrained eye cause welp it's simply not their job to pay attention to that stuff. I just figured it would be nice to share what I've learned just in case other people find a scam that is more convincing.

[@marcuscarana9240]

What's sad is that the only reason why these images are so beautiful is because of the so many beautiful art that actual artists created then a robot was unethically given to a robot as data to reprocess and then claiming its original work when in reality A.I. generated imagery was always mass plagiarism but instead of just plagiarizing one artpiece at a time, it plagrizes thousands per render.

[@mb3938]

Not defending AI but copying a style is not plagiarizing. Do you think those artist invented art? Everything is derivative my friend. What is unethical to me is that the artist do not get royalty money every time their picture is being fed to an ai.

[@jaredjoe133]

@@mb3938 no it’s not copying the style. It’s taking this part from this artist image in this part from that artist image, and combining them that’s the problem.

[@denko173]

They stole from Loomis books, not even ran it through AI but took stuff from his book and pasted it there. I don't know if Loomis books fail into public domain, but if they don't this is just theft.

[@FiddlesticksDraws]

Not Public Domain, the copyright is currently held by Titan Books Publishing.

[@SysterYster]

@@FiddlesticksDraws Contact them about them perhaps? They wouldn't want people making money off of their stuff.

[@danielbroome5690]

Life of the artist + 70 years.

[@shemer00]

Thank you. My husbands actually had a account where he had hundreds of books on. The company for no reason got rid of his account after years of him having it. I tried to tell him just to buy real books.

[@PutineluAlin]

Only pay for digital products if they abide by these rules. 1. They offer offline download 2. They offer only to rent for a limited time at a cheap price ex: Video on demand. 3. They have a huge library of media at a per month account.

[@shemer00]

@@PutineluAlin thank you so much. I've never bought online books unless a physical copy so thank you

[@PutineluAlin]

@@shemer00 I do buy books online amazon has affordable kindle books that also can be downloaded and browsed online stored in their servers. They never caused an issue.

[@DreamiMusho]

​@@shemer00 try to do research first because as an artist Ai Is so common I saw a artist type out a story from Ai and I do have suggestions

[@dwintster]

that's awful, I have both physical and digital copies of most of my books because I have the fear of this happening to me. I only bought a lot of digital editions because they are easier to travel with and I travelled frequently for business.

[@ghosterntt7183]

Jazza, I love your kindness and your passion for art. I will always remember this one: I bought your poses collections, but I can't receive the data due to my region. I twittered you about this, with a fragile hope. But you replied to me and gave me the data. You helped me, a nobody. You helped other art lovers by sharing your skills and your drawing. This living, breathing power of action cannot be replaced. AI can't do shit. You are one of the best artists on KZbin, and I'm so glad you called out this AI BS.

[@runeking6242]

This is my issue with A.I. if something can be miss used, it will be miss used. it creates more problems then it solves, and this is a serious problem.

[@dendroslime2473]

I can't believe people are honestly comparing it to when digital tablets came out. People drawing with tablets still have to learn all the same basics and practice for years just like people with traditional media. AI pumps out "professional" looking illustrations with just a few keywords. The two literally cannot be compared. It's also nothing like when cameras were invented, another insane comparison people are trying to make. Just insane the way people try to downplay it as a "tool". A tool doesn't literally do all the work for you. A robot that cuts down trees and turns them into wood chips would not be a "tool" in the way an axe is.

[@Bobaily]

@@dendroslime2473As an artist that works in traditional and digital AI art is NOTHING like the sort. All the artistic skill and things I’ve learned still apply whether I’m holding a brush to a canvas OR a pen to a tablet.

[@daina3628]

This isn't AI, this is stolen from a human.

[@DazzlingAction]

It looks like they ripped images from pinterest....and ripped from other books.

[@CritterWithToast]

Yeah, i saw someone put in a bunch of timestamps and name Loomis’s books-as in the Loomis method guy. No wonder there’s no name attached

[@gingivitis9148]

Pinterest examples of same face syndrome for that first pdf lol

[@Haphazard-Nugget]

Pinterest and Deviantart both have already been overun to various degrees by AI generated junk. So unfortunately not even "Pinterest like" no more

[@RichardM-kv4uu]

AI is an abomination, especially in the art world, I block anyone that uses it, for what little that's worth.

[@WangMingGe]

Good for you, and good for all of us artists. For people, generally. I wonder, what will happen to society when a sufficient proportion of people are incapable of doing their own research, writing, critical thinking, painting, music-making, etc. because they have come to rely on AI to do everything for them.

[@Stickman_Productions]

AI shouldn't be used for art. Literature, music, _art_ art, etc. It could be helpful for doing tasks, like cleaning or something. I agree, though. It does not know how to formulate a sentence the way a human can, which comes with advantages and disadvantages (though the latter clearly outweighs the former.) It can also be useful for factories, because they do not require passion. Just work, soulless and draining. Fit for a machine, which have already taken up most of factory work. Maintaining them is another job. Contemporary AI does not live up to humanity's standards, especially for art, because an AI cannot feel. It cannot feel the connotations of something, only recognize it. Sure, it might note that yellow can "make some feel energized or cautious," but it only knows because it is fed that. Without the works of man, AI has nothing to live up to. Whether these works are taken immorally or not, it is an amalgamation of patterns.

[@lumpstergash]

​@@Stickman_Productions we got a serial yapper over here 🗣🗣🗣

[@Bobshorts-ng3dm]

I totally agree with you! The only reason to use AI art is like a joke

[@x_sama5560]

For non artist ai is a useful tool to describe what they have pictured in their minds. But of course an artist should take these AI “sketches” and turn them into pleasing images.

[@piusdoe8984]

It's absolutely disgusting and pathetic. Especially places like Artstation. There's actually scammers selling ai generated art packs! Unbelievable and artstation allowing this. Not surprising as the owners have shown their true colors but still baffling

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

"But it's just like how humans copy everyone's work, we just remix existing werks, it's the same with ai, you mindless hater of hopeful future utopia " Hyperbolic and exaggerated but still... This is why you can't trust tech dudes man.

[@Ash-nh6li]

​@@darkzeroprojects4245so tired of that stupid argument.

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

@Ash-nh6li same here. This ai shite could of been a tool for artists to accept but the generators are made so even a average Joe can make something with "quality" level. And they tell you "then get better" while they keep training their generator builds with your work for it to train itself for. It's not they themselves doing it they're just commanding a generator to make something like a commission with just a few photoshop touchups. Why not made it so it make drawing shapes in perspective guide mode more smooth and more dynamic or something?

[@AndreSjoberg]

Funny anecdote: back in the late eighties, when I started exploring drawing characters and learning from straight up copying comic book panels, there where books available at the book stores on «how to draw» this and that (people, animals, things) that had the same level (or lack thereof) of «detail» in the examples, like a ball, ad a box, add some lines, some outlines and shapes and then BEAUTIFULLY RENDERED PENCIL HORSE DRAWING. So this «type» of learn to draw-books aren’t «new», just a *lot* easier to make now ;)

[@user-10021]

Thanks for pointing it out, finally someone else who knows this. Literally always books in OFFICIAL bookstores have been just that! I was learning in the 2010s and they had only those everywhere because you can only buy actually good ones directly from artists and then they’ll of course cost 100$ or more, not something like 20 bucks

[@AndreSjoberg]

@@user-10021 Hahahaha, yeah it was a problem, it was usually a problem in *regular* and smaller stores, they usually had the «oh this looks easy enough» books - going to a *proper* large book store they usually had the good stuff, and as you say, the proper stuff cost money - the Marvel How to draw superheroes books had some of the similar issues, a tad fast going from «cylinders and squares» to «muscular superhero» but they where fun though :)

[@svengro5019]

Exactly my experience with how to draw books. I call this the "Draw a circle, add "some stuff"(!?) and boom you are an Artist" Scam.

[@doodlejule]

Oh, you mean "draw the rest of the f**ing owl" 😂😂

[@DisDew]

By any means, was it an edition of "The Usborne Complete Book of Drawing" by Smith and Tatchell? It surely had very similar drawing pipeline presented, haha. I remember being extremely frustrated after realising that sketching perfect circles and lines (why did they even focus on them so much?..) of the "sketch structure" won't help to produce a neatly rendered drawing of a cat/a vampire/a vehicle in the end.

[@scobot1]

Thank you for sharing your experience! It is commendable that you bravely offered your own "been scammed" story - no shame! This is important information and good to call out this sort of thing.

[@sarahstarchild8495]

"Ai art wont take artists jobs". They are literally the aliens from space jam. The stole our talents and we don't have bugs bunny to save us.

[@olyabutorina6869]

AI art should be prohibited at this point. There should be a law that stops this nonsense

[@binyot5505]

I undestand AI in fields such medical, coding, etc. Where it can optimise progress and such. But within the art field? Or the most recent AI-video generator? Who would benefit from it besides scammers?

[@pinnacleevolution1634]

@@binyot5505 Corporations as always, once this stuff is normalized enough or people have other fires to put out companies are just gonna use ai for most of their output. It's perfect for them, the less people they need to pay the more profit they will have.

[@aniksamiurrahman6365]

@@binyot5505 The AI companies serving those scammers. But honestly, even in medical and coding field too, its good only when used by well trained people trying to use it as a new tool.

[@tutu8896]

This is the best comment I've read in my entire life

[@JohnnyQuanSW]

Thanks for bringing this scam to attention. I called them out when it popped up as a Facebook ad back in December, for plagiarizing Andrew Loomis and using AI, and they immediately banned me, lol. Seriously a big loophole with Facebook.

[@afk2930]

When I told my dad that I might want to work as an artist later in life, he got excited and he was very supportive. Later that year, on my birthday, he got me four books that should have taught me how to draw different and stylistic faces. Since he bought the book online, it was in pdfs. So he went to a book binder and told him to make me 4 books out of the pdfs. When I received the gift, I got excited. I used some pictures as references when I couldn't get the face right. One time, when I was looking trough the pages I realized: there are too many of these pictures and they are way too detailed. They all looked like completed illustrations and there were hundreds of them. I looked for an artist name, but I failed to find one. So I decided to take a closer look at the pictures. First thing I noticed: the earrings on women looked very off. Some attached, some not, some not even resembling earrings. So I continued looking for mistakes. And so I found it. the hand. That confirmed my suspicion. It was all AI generated. and with that my heart sank. It made me so sad. My dad spent so much money on these shitty AI things and then getting them bound at a book binder. He got scammed. And I feel so bad knowing that he spent so much on something I cant even learn from. Now I'm thinking of changing career paths because of AI.

[@vanillathebard]

Reasons why I don't buy directly from any ad, especially so when it's a digital download from somewhere/someone I don't recognize.

[@JohnPlastec]

I couldn't agree more.

[@LaraCazarts]

This genuinely makes me sad. To not only waste time for actual artist that want to actually learn to draw for real., but to lie to just make a quick buck. If I saw this book, I would’ve been so excited as well to learn different fundamentals and get better at it.. but now I have to stress to look out for scammers like people who created this atrocity. Shame.. thank you so much jazza for taking the time to inform us. Love your works.💜

[@dendroslime2473]

Time to focus on only art books that came out before AI was a thing. Art books from before 2020 are safe at least.

[@daina3628]

​@@dendroslime2473this is from an artbook from before 2020. It's from 1939, actually. "Drawing the Head & Hands" and "Fun with a Pencil" from Andrew Loomis. Nothing to do with AI, just good old-fashioned art theft. Btw, both of the original books are excellent, if you're looking to buy good drawing books, these are the ones. This art thief really knew who to steal from.

[@lightbulbnirvana]

I think it's great you did this vlog post as I figure you have reversed your financial loss (through YT ads) while also helping others by discussing your experience of this scam. I'm sure there will be more ideas you generate from this as well. AI is just a tool but people can be abusive with the tool as well, just like a hammer can be misused as well. Kudos to you, Jazza!

[@horizon319]

I appreciate that you went to such lengths to show us the details of how this scam affected you and what this means for other people. I feel like many people wouldn’t have gone into this because of embarrassment. Not our Jazza! He’s like this is a learning opportunity and I’m here for it. ❤ Also, if I may recommend a couple of artist who do some very good books about animal design for if and when you do a book on creatures both real and imagined: Terryl Whitlach and Gilbert Banducci - their books are quite good imho. Thank you again for going into such depth in this topic and I’m looking forward to the book(s)!

[@vilas9781]

This is the A.I utopia that people wanted, enjoy the sludge of content and products in the next years

[@roberth.1201]

*next decades

[@zebnemma]

Exactly. The artists who support AI makes me so mad. Like why support stealing of art to make art as generic as possible??? The people who thought AI wasn't gonna be used for evil gotta be the most gullible people in existence. All artists should have boycotted this from the start, not encouraged it like "ooohhh look super ugly generic dogshit".

[@Ocha431]

yippee!

[@Ocha431]

@@zebnemma fr, AI art has it's benefits but the negatives just completely outweigh the positives

[@Ocha431]

like we didn't even need ai art, why did they create it

[@JNeedels]

I’m so glad you posted this! I was on the site about to buy it but had to leave. Hadn’t gone back but was thinking about it again. Thank You! You saved me the money and educated me on how AI can be manipulated to fake us out.

[@KatieCelf]

This happened to me with a crochet book. Looked legit but then when I started making something it became obvious very quickly the patterns made no sense! I searched up the author on Amazon and there were loads of books on really random topics, all appeared real on the surface like my crochet book. So frustrating!!

[@Enaiarr]

Shad is shaking right now, raging that he didn't come up with this scam

[@hillehai]

Yeah, it's ironic seeing Shad's own brother talking about AI-products like this when Shad himself has such a self-deluded and unethical approach to it. Have you watched the clip where Shad is telling Jazza that he could definitely be a pro artist and Jazza is just like "weeeell, you know. There are a few things you could work on," and Shad just simply won't accept it? He's completely full of himself.

[@quonit37]

@@hillehaifacinating, I haven't been up to date with them. Where's the clip from?

[@curtismantle]

It’s one thing to suggest that Shad overestimates his artistic ability and uses AI to overcome his shortcomings but something else entirely to accuse him of wanting to scam people.

[@Enaiarr]

@@curtismantle och away and haver pal, it's not an "accusation" it's only a dig lmao

[@kurvos]

@@hillehai Could you link to the video?

[@ivanaguilar3394]

Thanks so much for calling this out Jazza, artists like you should work together to stop this AI pollution. This AI criminals should be stopped. :(

[@syntheticat-3]

completely unrelated to the scam, but i felt so validated when Jazza got upset with the ipad interface. hes real for that

[@OrbitalCookie]

There is special place in hell for hiding scrollbars

[@BurnTheDemon1]

😂😂

[@Sasha444luvs]

I saw this earlier this year and recognized immediately it was AI. I have never been so disgusted. So tired of Al and these AI scams.

[@TheCrimebaby]

I'm glad I saw this, I was going to buy this book my next paycheck. I was wondering why I couldn't find anything about the artist online besides this book

[@emkayart]

You have probably heard of him, but my favorite artist to learn from is Aaron Blaise. He is an amazing retired Disney animator who worked on many different titles and co-directed Brother Bear. He is a very honest, great guy and is ALWAYS doing sales on his website! His courses are very affordable. I 100% recommend his courses if you want to learn about art!! He has courses on so many things. (Sorry this sounds like an ad haha 😂 I just really love his stuff!!)

[@fredericapanon207]

And he has a YT channel!

[@zanettilla]

I hate how advertisment has tainted our lifes at such a level that recommending something you truly appreciate and want to share with others feels weirs, feels like another annoying advertisment you have to skip. Aaron Blaise is a very cool guy

[@DianeAarts]

agreed! he seems like a genuinely good guy

[@D-S-9]

AI should be a tool for the artist, not their replacement. There’s a KZbinr I respected who released a children’s book - it was illustrated by AI and from the text, I wouldn’t be shocked if it was written by AI too. There’s a reason I used the past tense for respect before.

[@bunnywar]

ai was created to steal from and replace artists, it was never meant to be a tool for artists. It was created to let billionaires steal from everyone and own people. They weren't joking about the eugenics cult thing.

[@reginaldforthright805]

AI is not a tool. There is no way to use it for good.

[@D-S-9]

How do you come to these conclusions? I mean, AI isn't even real AI - it's a system that takes in Data, processes it and outputs a result. For ages now Photoshop has had tools that work in the same way. Or is Photoshop not a tool. Is any digital artwork acceptable to you? And yes, training an AI on stolen data scraped from the internet is bad, but you can use your own data - the technology is not inherently bad because people are doing bad things with it. So what is it if not a tool, and why can nothing good come from it?

[@Empirical_png]

@@reginaldforthright805they used it in the new spiderverse movie to automate the lines on the faces if I’m remembering correctly

[@jarosbodytko6462]

@@reginaldforthright805 of course it’s a tool. And like all tools it can be used or abused. If for example you’re stuck on a composition, AI can definitely helpful to get the inspirational ball rolling. I haven’t used AI yet, but I certainly might in the future for that very reason. After that it’s up to the artist to create his/her work in an ethical manner.

[@melissal7984]

...Ugh! That sucks! This is why I always check to see if my digital purchases have a money back guarantee first! Thanks for letting us know!

[@ChantelleArts]

I didn't even know this is the level AI has gotten to now, pretty scary stuff considering it's completely unregulated and people are literally able to lie and sell whatever they want and somehow get away with it 🥺

[@user-10021]

You commented 14 minutes ago and didn’t bother to check the top comment that was made 9 hours ago? Stop with your mindless ai hate man

[@reginaldforthright805]

@@user-10021it’s mindful AI hate, madame. AI is evil.

[@Mrhellslayerz]

​@@user-10021You're saying it's mindless AI hate on a video about how easy it is to scam people using AI, which already steals other people's art. You could've tried harder to hide the painful irony behind your comment.

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

​@@user-10021 Stop with the mindless ai support.

[@diediedice]

and the fact that it has started to affect real human beings now too... people "create" nudes of celebreties or just people they know and post them all over the internet and no one is doing anything against it. As if this whole scamming and stealing wasn't horrible enough already

[@breadnbutter4710]

Reminds me of a similar situation I had. For Christmas, my dad had bought a deskpad for me and my siblings - 3 of them in total. I do art so I was happy to get something art related. But shortly after getting the gift, I noticed something looked...off. Each of them had a black cat done in different art styles, with different backgrounds. But I almost immediately noted the cat looked alienish - the tail was too long, the body look weird. There were also inconsistencies with the lines in the art work. That's when I realised my dad bought me ai art. I checked the other deskpad's and they too had inconsistencies that I knew a regular artist wouldn't have done. I am vehemently against ai art to be used to sold as a product. So I was sad to know my dad had wasted money on it without realising the things I did. And I'm sure there are going to be other parents, grandparents who are just going to see it as high quality art and miss out on these things. I really hope in the future, that there will be better measures in place to protect artists from this, to stop Ai bros trying to cash in money from this.

[@RraltKing]

boo whoo lil n

[@begonestink2956]

Hey! Be careful when posting these videos, especially with the product in view and your face. There has been ads going around of people using celebrities talking, but using AI voices, to sell their products or push scams.

[@wildflower1397]

This is why you should reverse image search before buying from a new seller. So many times you will discover fraud, stolen designs, or even just dozens of people selling the exact same item at much lower prices. Unfortunately, we need to look into who we buy from. It's worth finding the original seller of a good product though, so we can support their (often small) business.

[@ManoComFotoDeAnime]

The purest example of what AI is: Replicate, but can't teach. Without the experience, you can't give insights or share actual knowledge. Just replicate. Good aesthetics - despite being bland -, but worthless, even for reference.

[@cc12yt]

What you just said is like, you go to Subway, ask for the sandwich you want, eat it, then say that it sucks. My brother, you made the sandwich. Here is the same, you are bad at prompting, you get bad images, if you are bad at making books, you get a bad book, and if you are bad at teaching, you don't teach. Add all of these three things, and you get this book.

[@cutienerdgirl]

​@@cc12yt It seems that most people who claim to be "Ai artists" are bad at creating prompts seeing as there ai pictures are blatant rip-offs of the work of other artists, and all their "educational books" don't really teach anything.

[@Crimnilla]

So it's kind of like plagiarism

[@lasarousi]

Exactly like fanart and fandic artists

[@mppi]

@@Crimnillain a literal sense, most AI is trained on stolen pictures, stolen words, stolen ideas. so yes, it is plagiarism

[@raulwynn7136]

These drawings are directly ripped from the book "Drawing Heads and Hands" by Andrew Loomis which is free and publically available on the US Archives.

[@danevans1791]

This is sorta why I love to follow your channel - this passion for creativity and your love for it shows through by how frustrated you're feeling. A champion of creativity.

[@johnoswald9143]

Buy instructional books that have a reputable artists name on it, if they put their name on it it’s probably worth looking at.

[@Slammaa]

so if we can only trust existing reputable artists now, is it impossible for new reputable artists to emerge? 😭 will everyone need evidence that they made art before AI art was a thing in order to be reputable?

[@minnion2871]

@@Slammaa Well to be fair, anyone looking to build a good reputation WOULD probably put their name on a book.... I think the point is research the artist before you buy stuff from them. Know who you are buying from, because scammers and con artists will try to dupe you, and possibly sell you art stolen from the artists who aren't increasing their reputation because nobody knows who they are....

[@NewNecro]

​@@Slammaa Don't they already though? Reputable artists didn't become reputable overnight. Sketch process, digital portfolio. There are already ways, there will be other ways. AI evolves rapidly and scammers have the most incentive to try to keep up. Artists will likely incorporate AI into their drawing process too eventually, like drawing tools of digital art (which are already being implemented).

[@johnoswald9143]

Respect in this particular field is earned, there is no name at all on the material Jazza has bought, I’d buy a book with his name on it because he has proved himself in his field. Would you see a Doctor that didn’t give you his or her name?

[@daina3628]

There's no name because it's stolen from Andrew Loomis.

[@meggymeg8057]

Makes me wish I would have kept all my old how to draw anime characters books. Now my kids are getting into drawing and this is the type of junk they'll have to dig through. 😓 Thank you Jazza for keeping these sort of scams in the spot light, to show those items for what they really are, just quick cash grabs from young budding artist. You're the best Jaza. Keep fighting the good fight.

[@orbis6360]

Any of those old books made by Christopher Hart, where made with extremely predatory practices paying artist on deviant are peanuts to slap together dozens and dozens of books to sell to kids that show nothing of value.

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

"Ai is a tool. Adapt or die " they keep saving. Easy when youre being a sleazy con artist using even public domain work to be a Scammer

[@abandonFandom]

It is a tool. Unfortunately, it's a highly unregulated tool.

[@jarosbodytko6462]

But it is a tool, and like any tool you can use it or abuse it.

[@IDontKnowYouWhoAreYou]

@@abandonFandom it is a cheater tool

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

@@abandonFandom A tool Noone needed imo

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

@abandonFandom One we don't even need, and isn't even that good. It's nowhere even the amazing thing non artists like to make it. And It is by people who have no bussiness nosing in art with ai.

[@AlbertrechArt]

I can totally see what they did here, they've taken the step by step drawings from 'Fun with a Pencil' and 'Drawing the Head and Hands' by Andrew Loomis, then taken the final part of the step by step drawing and fed it into an AI image generator in image to image mode. This would make their 'completed' image in the step by step drawing, which is why the completed sketches look similar but they don't actually match the construction sketches. This sort of stuff has destroyed the Artstation marketplace honestly, I used to be able to go there for decent reference images and photos, but now it is just absolutely flooded with "reference packs" that are just 300+ AI generated images

[@daina3628]

Nah, most of these are lifted as is. I doubt there's much AI used here.

[@EvilMP5]

Some of those pages are from the Loomis book, I recognized it off the bat. Spent soooooo much freaking time with that book!

[@PlushSculpts]

The head one is from Andrew loomis books. I have those pdfs on my old laptop. If they don’t refund you. You should be able to contact your credit card company and tell them you were scammed and they can dispute the charge

[@markwambugu]

the comic guide book pics have been taken from Loomis' Drawing the Head and Hands

[@DrawSymmetry]

The scammer is working again, now is called Tatan Drawing, he has a website, isntagram, Facebook, even a KZbin channel!! The drawings of the new books looks good at first sight, so I fell for it 😢.

[@iamapie13]

I hate that this is the world we live in now, I hate it so much. It really shatters my soul and makes me loose hope, I wish AI never happened

[@daina3628]

This isn't AI. This is stolen directly from Andrew Loomis, as it is in his books.

[@NewtonPlays]

I hope Shad sees the negative effect ai has on his own brother. Please teach the man to draw. He's desperate to learn but is focusing his effort on learning prompts instead of fundamentals.

[@vileluca]

He's not desperate to learn - that would imply he doesnt already know everything and his ego is too big to allow that

[@DaleTrevors]

Maybe Shad doesn't want to master the traditional arts, maybe he wants to master the digitAIartistry

[@BigAssBalls]

@@DaleTrevorsHe almost had digital art down pretty good, there's no mastering ai, that's just lazing out

[@reginaldforthright805]

Look, not everyone can draw and that’s ok. He needs to accept his limitations and hire real artists.

[@Mrhellslayerz]

​@@DaleTrevorsFirealpaca is free though.

[@visualthinking]

Total props for finding and sharing valuable lessons from the experience ✅ Noticing how well the ad worked, recording it, *in case* there's something useful for your own book launch ✅ Describing how using a physical copy to sell a digital product (it's not something that bothers me either, but good example in how we perceive as real and valuable.) ✅ How to look for signs of life vs. AI ✅ Recognizing that 95 USD wasn't a huge loss, but how you'd rather your money made it into the hands of real creators. Happily, once YOUR book is out in the world, your buyers will have a 180 degree experience from this and will truly teach people.

[@theycallmepiccolo9985]

This is the exact reason why I was against AI art from the beginning

[@TommyLikeTom]

I had a book like this as a child that used to be owned by my deceased father, and I never really needed another one after that

[@tarunsahu1249]

Thanks for making this video. Fresh and useful perspective. This is my first video from ur channel, and mate, in just three seconds, your accent had me picturing you having a yarn with kangaroos and slapping shrimp on the barbie. Spot on, I’d say!

[@danevankirk4424]

I’ve been purchasing caricature books and this advertisement came across my Facebook. Some of the pages came from Tom Richmond’s book The Mad Art of Caricature. I learned from this scam from other caricature artists.

[@interlock2.076]

This reminds me of a spongebob episode where squidward is trying to teach spongebob how to draw a circle and he ends up drawing a face then erase it to make a perfect circle 😂😂🤣

[@vinesthemonkey]

that's what I thought when he showed the face steps backwards too

[@chazjohannsen]

Shad would consider this a goldmine of artistic inspiration from real “artists”.

[@SelineSnape]

is Jazza still supporting his moron of a brother?

[@redgrapes7546]

Jazza showing again that he's the better brother by far.

[@PutItAway101]

Yep, the way they wrote those prompts to generate a bunch of faces and then cropped the results, chef's kiss! Rembrandt couldn't have done better!

[@Guy-cb1oh]

​@@redgrapes7546Jazza himself is a very strong supporter of AI. He just isn't an insufferable brat about it like Shad.

[@deadhouse3889]

God, he's such a buffoon.

[@brennanperry8001]

Man... it's horrible to get scammed by your own brother...