Daima VS GT: Which does Dragonball better?

[@TheMAM]

My problem with Daima is, with OG Dragon Ball being my favorite anime, Daima's Goku doesn't really seem like kid Goku to me. OG kid Goku was oblivious, curious, and appearence-wise he was stumpy too. I'm not saying Daima Goku has to be these things cause he is adult Goku in a kid's body, but the show doesn't make him feel like adult Goku either, what with the lame poop jokes he makes or the increased sense of wonder (which he usually reserves to fighting new enemies and not exploring new places). Basically he seems like a blank shonen protag now, because any shonen protagonist can express themselves like Goku does in Daima (always being hungry, taking enemies head on, discovering new lands). I'm not too sure how they could make him feel more like himself to me, maybe have him take things more seriously or give him more interactions to show off his character more. But I know the point of this show's to have a wide-eyed shonen protag explore and fight, so the show's fine for what it is.

[@zanthonyhill8818]

I was saying the same thing. (Well,kinda). To me,Goku was the ONLY ONE who got turned into a kid. Everyone else (besides Trunks and Goten) is still an adult......they just got CHIBI'ed. Everyone else still behaves like they're adults.......except Goku. He only acts "adult-ish" when he's a super saiyan. Daima's kid Goku is different than both the original and GT's. In GT,at least he still acted like an adult. In OG Dragon Ball,although he was learning things for the first time,he didn't have this over-exaggerated sense of awe and wonder about everything. Dragon Ball does this thing where it resets every so 10 years to attract a new,younger audience. It's not made for people in their late 30s....40s or 50s....so I can't knock the show. They tossed a nugget of Z off in there,by re-animating some Buu fights for the older crowd,but if anyone thinks that made the show for them,they're going to be sorely mistaken.

[@TheMAM]

@zanthonyhill8818 That's a good point I guess, I should know by now after Heroes and Daima that some new Dragon Ball iterations aren't going to focus on the older fans.

[@tmdiz4579]

My problem with Daima is that I don't want to watch a bunch of adult characters I already know be turned into kids for marketing and go take a walk for 12 episodes.

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

The winner is Dragon Ball.

[@Louftos]

The only good answer.

[@dzigerica]

dragon ball is um twerrible so is all of um everything. except dbs and gt theyre peak

[@Fonz128]

Dragon ball is better than Z GT and Super.

[@streptococo4735]

@@Fonz128 Back when Tien was a freaking powerhouse.

[@dzigerica]

@@Fonz128 well that is imposible but okay

[@Ankaris]

I don't entirely agree with the notion of there being no unique ideas to GT. I think Baby as an antagonist and what he did was fairly interesting for Dragonball Z. I thought bringing back the Oozaru form in some way was a good idea. And the concept of the Evil Dragons was probably the best idea for a villain that the series had (at least as far as Z/GT/Super is concerned). The problem was in execution. Outside of the concept stages, their creative choices and the writing sucked. TBH GT is far more comparable to Super. Outside of the first arc, the series very quickly reverted back to Dragonball Z's type of storytelling. And thus it's a lot more similar to Super. And compared to Super... the ideas actually presented by GT are FAR more interesting. Again, execution was lacking but... in terms of creativity I think it's certainly in favor of GT over Super.

[@PeerlessInterests]

Saying GT has no unique ideas is EXTREMELY disingenuous when Super snatches a majority of those ideas. From something as minor as Granloah's appearance to entire villains and power up rituals.

[@JamesMJaime]

Baby is a rip-off of Hatchiyak and Dr. Lychee. The doc is a Tuffles survivor that uses science or some form of magic to create a weapon to take revenge against the remaining saiyans.

[@PeerlessInterests]

@@JamesMJaime Baby and Hatchiyak's only similarity is that they're Tuffle creations. One was a computer and another was a machine mutant. That's like saying Android 17 is the same as Cell because they were both made by Dr Gero. That's like saying Goku and Vegeta are copies because they're both Saiyan's. Better yet, Android 21 is the same as Android 19. Cell Max is the same as Gamma 1 because Hedo made them.

[@Keisezrgs]

@@JamesMJaimeCompletely false. Other than sharing the same species and a somewhat similar backstory (which is to be entirely expected since they were both Tsufuru-jins during the time of King Vegeta’s betrayal and slaughtering of their species)Hatchiyack and Baby are not even remotely similar. That’s like calling Goku a rip-off Raditz because they share the same species and conception.

[@PeerlessInterests]

@@Keisezrgs Not to mention different creators, different background, widely different powers. Baby still has memories of Planet Plant due to basically being the King Tuffle. Hatchiyak is completely a computer given form due to Hatred who summons ghosts. Their similarities begin with their hatred of the Saiyans and end at being Tuffle made. Frieza and Baby may as well be cousins just because they hate Saiyan's if we go by James' logic.

[@bocodamondo]

ive been watching the show at my own pace while almost never checking what other people think about it on sites like reddit or twitter and so far, ive really been enjoying all the new characters, glorio, panzy and COUGH kuu are really fun to watch so far IMO

[@orbboom6119]

Have u drawn Arinsu?👀😳u should tbh

[@ismailkeskinklc5300]

When's the spicy arinsu drawing boco?

[@bocodamondo]

@@orbboom6119 lmao, we'll see

[@moss8809]

LETS GOOOO

[@orbboom6119]

@@bocodamondo yesssirrr my goat😭🙏

[@TotallyNotMark]

Terrific video.

[@newt2120]

didnt know Mark was a fan of Plague too🤩

[@SethAbercromby]

I always figured the best way to deal with the rot of powerscaling dragonball was forced into was to force Goku and all into an environment where their usual shtick just doesn't work. By forcing them to recontextualize fights and simultaneously reducing the power cieling dramatically you can have way more creative storytelling again and it seems that Toriyama had a similar thought with Daima.

[@ethanhanks200]

yet goku is still way stronger than everyone else its such a joke

[@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970]

Yeah, the concept of power removal has been something in my head for a while too.

[@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970]

​@@ethanhanks200vegeta should be so much stronger than hin right now

[@tpeack]

Fighterz went that way, Personally given how gohans potential unleashed meant transforming into super saiyan was pointless as he has all his bodys power in a normal state, i feel that as characters get stronger the multiplier ssj gives should decrease as they slowly approach the potential unleashed style of being naturally. Like have ssj go from x50 to x20 or something.

[@franciscogomez1936]

I don't know. Whenever I read something like this, I can only think of the filler from Super with Vegeta with the pacifier.

[@rubenr2723]

Dude, there is nothing "dragon ball" about DAIMA. It is a try-hard way of getting there, but it feels much more childish. And not only because they turned the characters into toddlers for no logical reason. GT did some things wrong - like ignoring the power scale - but the storyline was much deeper and serious (like DB). And Goku turned into a kid (not a toddler) for a logical and goofy reason, that is pilaf reminiscing out loud of the old times when Goku was young, and the dragon saying "ok".

[@KiraSlith]

As someone who watched from OG to GT religiously and sank himself in the zeitgeist of the time, it's been wild watching the slow distortion of the history, events within, and context surrounding GT. To the point even plague has forgotten the entire first half of GT regularly reminds the viewer Goku's depowered body was why he wasn't just deleting every enemy they came across.

[@mastatheif9909]

That's still quite BS since , yeah the enemies aren't stronger than Buu, but they're still all stronger than Frieza and that MF was feared through the galaxy

[@Jerguy]

Yet, in your logic, depowered kid Goku is strong enough to fight multiple Super Saiyans in his base form? GT is just shit, always has been. Between the terrible animation, dumb fanfic storylines like Super 17 arc, it';s just bad.

[@thegungerbrospodcast7671]

Except that Goku did not get weaker at all in GT when reverting to a child. It is stated multiple times throughout the show and outside sources, like the Perfect files, that he was still as strong as he was as an adult. It was just "unstable." The only things he struggled to do really was use his instant transmission, and his SSJ3 was harder to maintain, that's it. It made him turning into a child completely pointless as there were no true repercussions to it as he was effectively the same as he was as an adult.

[@mastatheif9909]

@thegungerbrospodcast7671 outside sources? GT was made entirely as a TV show, Toriyamas had nothing to do with it. The show itself makes it pretty obvious that he's not as strong as he was an adult because he can't hold his super saiyan forms

[@KiraSlith]

@@mastatheif9909 Until Beerus flatly said it in Super/BotG, the only in-universe sources claiming Frieza was truly the strongest mortal in the universe, was Frieza and his own minions. Not exactly the most reliable sources of information. 🤣

[@MrZacdeath]

STEP INTO THE GRAND TOUR

[@GhoulCityOffline]

So far I really haven't been feeling like diama captures the spirit of OG dragon ball at all.

[@olliehearton]

This feels the most similar to the very first hunt for the Dragon Balls in terms of tone. I also appreciate the use of weapons in the fights. People tend to forget that Goku was a trained bo-staff fighter.

[@EasyAsKake]

Been listening to a lot of your videos as I sit trapped in my apartment sick as hell. Thanks for making these videos Plague! They help me relax when I otherwise can't

[@jamaalsjourney]

Dude stop glazing and take better care of yourself

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

"Be critical. Be kind. I'll see you all next time." *- PlagueOfGripes*

[@siddharthreddiar3353]

I think the issue is timing. DBZ was lucky to come out when it did - It was many people's gateway to anime. I don't think it would be nearly as popular if it got released now.

[@mrtoast3319]

My only negative is that this adventure could of been a goten and trunks adventure. Without all the goku baggage. Goten is clueless and innocent just like og goku, and trunks is hardheaded just like vegeta.

[@hasanalharaz7454]

I like daima so far but I don’t think it’s as dragon ball as people might think. It has a goofier tone in general but if you really think about it they don’t really get into that many goofy or creative situations or characters (the cup game and the Minotaur is the only stuff I’m really remembering rn). Mostly just normal trouble and dealing with generic low level guys like bandits and police. Feels like they just toned down the stakes in the fighting and didn’t add as much creativity as they could’ve so it’s a lil of the worst of both worlds. I will say the world building is pretty interesting and I feel like the most actually thought out of most if not all of the dragon ball shows. Even though the new lore (ep 10-11) is it pretty confusing when considering super lore I also don’t care for the fact that the gang turning into kids really doesn’t matter. They make a big point of the fact that they want turn into adults again to make it easier to get dende back but there’s no real practical effect in the show. They make a big deal of the loss of control of their flight thing early but that’s quickly forgotten so it just felt like an excuse for goku to get his power pole. And he didn’t seem to really get a power downgrade either seeing as he’s still easily able to deal with everyone. And when he did face a challenge with the robot he didn’t struggle to turn super Saiyan or anything either

[@banjo9158]

The recent episode with the giants really proved your point. there aren't that many fun anthics in Daima, they're just normal trouble/dealing with generic low level guys.

[@ChronoHarvester]

I think you’ve really shined a light on this. A lot of the applies to the webcomic Dragon Ball Multiverse comic, from before Super’s Tournament of Power or Dragon Ball Heroes. “What if Vegeta and Goku never unfused” and similar what-if ideas interacting on a single stage. With flashbacks and emotional drama, akin to Buu saga’s Goku and Vegeta, or Future Trunks’ story.

[@gridenboat]

"What if Vegeto stayed fused?" is one of the least interesting theories from MasakoX, along with "What if Goku turned Super Saiyana as a kid." It's just a nonstop cycle of "Oh, he beat this guy easily" or "Oh, he beat this guy quickly." The most important thing I like about the story in the first place is the characterization of otherwise obscure characters and how he can put them into meaningful settings. So when it just turns into boringly "describing how easy this fight is," it becomes way less interesting. (I know you weren't specifically talking about MasakoX; I just wanted to rant, lol.)😮

[@Kruegernator123]

Multiverse was decent by doing the "What If' tournament, until Salagir tried to make a story out of it.

[@Fugazity]

IDK if it's because i saw the DB series canonically, from OG DB, Z to super that i see Daima and get this nostalgic feeling, because that is what OG DB felt like, it was fun, Yes Goku was strong AF, and we knew he will solve things if things get tough, but we also know he will get in trouble being naive and thinking everybody is as pure and loving as his grandfather Gohan. And you knew he will fail on that department. it's why Bulma was a great comrade as she as a city girl didn't take sh1t from anyone, it was Bulma who drive the plot forward and Goku only did what she couldn't, fight. In other words, i really am enjoying Daima so far.

[@Fugazity]

I also have to say i start seeing GT and abandon it shortly after, it just wasn't dragon ball for me, and i find it boring; but, later on, i visit the house of one of my friends; here their little brothers and sisters was watching and episode of GT with such joy and happiness, even singing the intro and out through songs, i was like... "Darn, they sure like that boring show", but i realize something then and there, dragonball is that, is a show meant for kids, not OG veterans who are reaching 20 an know the OG story by heart. It's why after that never said anything bad about GT.

[@ClashMasterStudios]

@@Fugazity Bro you find Gt Boring i can't Understand did you just Stay on the First Arc cause i Find Super Boring i just never understand why Goku is so Stupid why Vegeta Character got Regress hell i even Skip all Episode until i reach the last Arc for Super Goku training remember Grampa in super was alright but when it comes to Super it's Boring at least we gain Ultra Instinct and 1 Good Arc that all Super Had I'm not trying to start an argument i just Generally don't Understand Gt got me into Dragon Ball then i watch Z because of it Many Teenager like me understand & Love Gt

[@theurbanyouth]

@@Fugazity It's nothing like Dragon Ball, what are you talking about? The cast was made up of adults/young adults with their crude antics, with oblivious Goku. Along with the brutality of the world. Daima is really watered for preschoolers with recycled Boo material from Z and plot device from GT only made worse with the entire cast de-aged.

[@Fugazity]

@@theurbanyouth well... that is like, your opinion bro.

[@Fugazity]

@ClashMasterStudios you was a little kid when you saw GT i guess.

[@maximsirikh2070]

Ah, never thought I'd see this channel covering dragon ball, hope this occurs more times.

[@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970]

He used to do dragon ball. He literally even uploaded two videos on it this year before this one, tf you talking about?

[@s.a.k.i7768]

​@@ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970 They were sarcastic, lol

[@macht-rex6003]

I've been enjoying Daima but for a limited series it seems to be really taking its time. Feels like half the runtime has been either flying in their ship to the next place or base form Goku (or Vegeta) fighting some zero stakes jobbers just so they can remark at how deceptively powerful he is despite looking like a child.

[@DuskyLore]

12:12 Not sure if the runners high was _exactly_ what I experienced back in high school, but after running a mile, then feeling exhausted---but then resting for several minutes, _I felt like I could run it again._

[@nightlydata2181]

I think this vid puts pretty well the interestin relationship the entire franchise has wit its creator, those he works wit, the audience & most importantly itself. I like both series but Daima has been legit the best DB content we've had on a consistent basis for a very long time

[@Sp0ntanCombust]

I have been rewatching Dragon Ball lately and I had an absolute blast. The humor and characters are so entertaining and each episode feels organic in how it's written to this day. Then when I was nearing the end of the Piccolo Jr. saga I really started to feel the fatigue of the new "formula" the series was heading towards back then and it only worsened with Saiyan Saga and beyond. It honestly felt boring to me a lot of times, even if there was currently some action happening in the episode. Everything in the story has become so serious. No more it was about the adventure or becoming a better martial artist - it was primarly about defeating the current big bad guy and then waiting for the next one to show up. I still very much enjoy some of the iconic moments, animation (Studio Junio FTW!) and music, but as I get older I really appreciate the original series more even if I watched Z first.

[@TheBlindWeasel]

I fucking love Dragon Quest Ball, it's always doing something, both expected and unexpected

[@Baron_Wurst]

0:11 No need to call me out like that, dude

[@thedoglovinggamer5825]

Who is the character in your pfp?

[@kirby9447]

W pfp

[@thedoglovinggamer5825]

@@kirby9447 What is it from?

[@adventuringwolf8517]

​@@thedoglovinggamer5825A Dutch animated web cartoon named "Ongezellig."

[@ChrisDeve]

@@thedoglovinggamer5825 Dutch cartoon called Ongezellig

[@QuantumPineapple]

I wished for a new Gripe Balls for Christmas and Santa Eli answered my prayers!

[@blue-ki5ip]

Daima seems to be trying to replicate the adventure we had watching dragon ball while we were growing up to the newer generation while GT wanted to bring a high-stakes conclusion to the series. I don't really think it's fair to compare the two because one wanted to bring a heartfelt end to the series and the other wants to provide harmless fun.

[@0047sssss]

Early GT was also a throwback to OG DB, Pan tried (and failed) to fill Bulma's role in the first arc and was also the target of the pervy humor

[@prodbypriestJudah-gi6xt]

@@0047sssss I think that’s why the majority of people tend to talk about the mid-to-later parts of GT that attempted to something different compared to the very obvious allusions to the OG DB that came from the Black Star Dragon Ball arc. I mean shoot, the reason why the Baby and Syn Shenron arcs are considered the best parts of the series was because they examined parts of Z that fans had wanted some kind of conclusion to (the final resolution to Vegeta being used a conduit for the villains of the series, similar to Zero from Mega Man X, and the usage of the Fusion Dance for the adults). And, GT also didn’t stoop to using the same logic of making Goku Jr. a replica of the original by having him go through a similar arc, they took the much better Gohan approach of showing what a Goku who hadn’t truly learned to fight from the beginning would do in the scenario of being shown that he DOES has the power to protect the people that he cares about.

[@DarkAuraLord]

I love you, Plague! ❤

[@LordMalice6d9]

He tries to say he is not a Dragonball channel, but that is where most of his best content comes from!

[@newto2794]

You have no idea how much I needed this in my life

[@ZombiedWolf]

Mark mentioned it too, but really waiting so long to release the Dub for a Dragon Ball property is not helping.

[@darthsidious4274]

In the end it's the same crap. Og and Z are original, it all goes hill from there. Doesn't help that they don't have the balls to continue where Z left off. Both Super and Daima are before the ending of Z, that's two whole shows, atleast GT dared to continue and gave the franchise a real ending. Ngl tho, I like em all!

[@cliffallica]

I liked the Jackle and Hide analogy. It sums up a lot about how I feel about the series as a whole.

[@superexclusive452]

Dragon Ball’s main staple wasn’t just comedy, it was also martial arts. The gi that Goku wears tells that he was a fighter before we knew anything about Roshi or Gohan. The marketing got out of control once the series started to take the fighting aspect too seriously. However it never forgot comedy, that aspect just became the back burner

[@ViolenceReality]

Our Protagonist is a Grandfather in his late 40’s, the status quo hasn’t changed since 1998 (Gang fights bad guys, some guys are good actually, the dead come back to life) i don’t want anymore reversion or returning to form.

[@Artista_Frustrado]

i mean you can't really reverse if you have never advanced in the first place

[@4Wilko]

Glad to see another DB gripe. I haven't caught up with Daima yet so I'm going to have to put a pin on this one. Edit: Binged to episode 10 and I'm back to get hit by 0:08. Nice. I've been taken breaks between watching episodes and the series has been very enjoyable thus far. Only thing bothering me is Bulma doesn't have a million capsules like when they took off to Namek.

[@Issen_Mode]

Whether it leans more towards action or comedy/adventure, as long as the effort and soul of Dragon Ball is there thats all that matters. Daima looks decent to me as a lifelong fan.

[@jefferybrown6473]

12:40 Roshi: "Hm, yes, the cake..."

[@capitanspoiler7393]

my main problem with Daima (and any other project they might try to squeeze out) is that they keep shoving stuff in the gap between the end of the buu arc and the end of Z episode. it's a widespread issue with prequels in general, the more you stay in a time window the more you are forced to end things in a certain way. They already retconned stuff that happened in Super (won't spoil what) but, unless they use Daima to re-start Super as a whole and make a SINGLE continuity, they'll always have the "wait, if threat X was so dangerous, why didn't Beerus show up?" or "Why isn't Shin worried about getting himself into danger if he is tied to the God of Destruction?". This was already a huge problem with Super and it completely destroyed any sense of urgency or threat in that show. The more they stay in that 10 year window the harder it will be for them to make things interesting. Why? Because WE ALREADY KNOW HOW IT ENDS. "Oh no! if we lose this tournament our universe will be deleted!" Well, end of Z still has to happen and everyone was fine and dandy there, so....

[@stanleech666]

💯

[@Someone-tuf]

Instead of continuing the DBS Manga and anime, the manga has gotten to the end of z by now, we get this shit.

[@capitanspoiler7393]

@@Someone-tuf they should just man up and go past it but they probably want GT to remain "kinda canon" because SSJ 4 is marketable and they don't want to change that

[@zamu2]

@@capitanspoiler7393 They don't need to make GT "kinda canon". The Cell saga has already established different timelines and stuff, so that stuff, Super, and Daima can all exist.

[@STEVEJobs-l3o]

I just dislike the retcons. -Renaming shin to nahare -Changing the race name from shinjin to glinds -Changing kaioshin from gods to demons -Changing namekians from aliens to demons

[@MrMillionDub]

While Dragon Ball was the closest to what Toriyama ever wanted out of his series, I'm still curious as to what it would've looked like had the necessities of keeping Dragon Ball popular not been a factor. What would Dragon Ball be today had the action and marketing not been the driving force? Toriyama came back after Dragonball Evolution (so I'm told) because he hated it. But the series didn't seem to change all that much when he came back, so I can't help but wonder what it is he particularly hated about that movie (aside from its overall lifelessness) and what his complete, ideal form of Dragon Ball would be.

[@PiperAtDawn-r7i]

It's not so much that he hated Evolution. I mean yes he clearly did but from interviews it seems what truly bothered him was that he was excited for it initially and tried to offer ideas but the studio execs did not allow him to contribute. This rejection seems to be his main frustration.

[@RandomGuy-zl5sp]

@@billyparker5974it did take off, just not in america. slump is massive in japan, its the reason toriyama was able to do dragon ball. both series are his children.

[@kevintanza6968]

@@billyparker5974 Dr. Slump was one of the few comedy manga to be a massive hit in Shonen Jump. Toriyama became a millionaire because of that series.

[@southanime]

On the topic of Daima, i have to agree with Tablos; Goku is a man of 40 years old, but he acts like a child. On GT Goku had times where he showed his experience, despite being in a young body.

[@soda3185]

I feel like some people tend to criticize Daima by Z/Super standards: "why isn't Goku one-shoting everyone with super saiyan?", "it's been 2 eps, where's the big bad guy?!", "this is so boring, where the epic fightz!?1!". Daima isn't trying to be that, it has its own pace, formula, characters, and even lore; so even if it's based on DB/DBZ, sharing things like world, characters and other elements, I still consider it its own thing, just a fun, short adventure, with some flaws here and there, as every other DB production, but frankly very entertaining.

[@jackjacques7495]

More than him one-shotting people, the biggest criticism I see is about his attitude. -OG Goku was a child, and acted like a child. It made sense for him to be oblivious about everything. -GT Goku was an adult put in a child's body, but still acted like an adult (at least as much as Goku can). For all of GT's faults, they made Goku show the confidence and composure of a Goku who's been around the block. -Daima Goku is an adult in a child/chibi body...who for some reason is back to acting like a child every time he's not Super Siayan. And it's made even more ridiculous bc everyone else who was chibified still acts like an adult, except him. It makes no sense. I mean, it does make sense since the point is obviously to cater to the new young audience who likes the protagonist to act like a child full of wonder too, but it makes no sense for the story and the continuity of this 40 year old franchise.

[@Writh811]

I was hyper cynical about Daima when I first heard about it. My friends and I would call it Dragon Babies or GT2. After watching it I gotta say it is a lot better GT and Super (Personally I HATE Super, hadn't watches heroes but that seems like Super but worse) The fights actually have more choreography to them than we've gotten since Z. It still does the blur line wooshes but they are actually putting some slick moves in there as well. That one shot of Goku sliding between the dudes legs was slick just to site and example.

[@RaT90909]

I don't like Super but I liked the Super Hero movie. Not as good as Daima but worth checking out imo

[@jeremyknight9980]

If you ever watch DBH don't take it seriously, while it has a very cool universe where everything is canon it's just fan service and to promote the games.

[@ionicman2908]

Tbh they have been doing repeated clashing animation since the og series. Its just that the fights are more grounded so its less prominent. Not to mention, most characters cant fly yet (and if they do fly the show makes a big deal out of it and they usually just float instead of flying around fightning midair).

[@Astrothunder_]

Oh my god, everyones favorite Dragonball youtuber who sometimes does drawing vids and or Soulsborne lets plays!!!! Yessssss!!!!

[@TOGYS7]

Who is totally not a furry.

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

Plague your one of the best youtubers when it comes to criticizing fiction. You always blow it out of the park

[@alexdittman1135]

This upload frequency is making me splooge

[@teh0wnz0r76]

only 15 minutes? u changed man

[@theprimordialbean2155]

I was NOT expecting the Final Pam reference. Caught me totally off guard

[@paulgilbert3139]

If Daima is better than GT then they better to make me cry in the last episode, because i was literally crying in the last episode of GT after realizing that goku is no longer with us because the deal that he made with shenron. Even the soundtrack "Dan dan kokoro hiratekeru" is a masterpiece, i always felt the sadness everytime i heard that song

[@___-___-___-___-]

Idk about heroes, but I liked Xenoverse which is in the same overall canon. I've seen an analysis of gt that explained how it worked pretty well, but I can't pretend that I've made it through GT, not even the parts people liked. For some reason I still view it favorably, perhaps since I started with OG dragonball, and not Z when I was a kid in the 90s.

[@___-___-___-___-]

I did always want more demon realm stuff in dragonball.

[@E_The_Animator]

Have an upvote for the algorithm, good sir. Excellent video, Plague

[@RancorSnp]

I mean, is there even a competition? Daima is AWESOME, I'm eagerly waiting for the episode every week, and basically every episode introduces some new interesting lore. I'm not even sure I managed to watch 11 episodes of GT on any of my attempts to watch it

[@Malactwo]

GT is hard to get into but getting past that first arc is rewarding in my opinion. I ended up liking gt more than I liked super lol

[@slifer875]

if it wasnt for panzy and the demon milf i wouldnt even bother with that show, effort went to the animation and setting but not to the writting, they went with the lazy option of just turning goku character back to chapter 1 goku and the glorio "joke" and the non-stop refences to the food get on my nerves every time, the charm is not there.

[@BubblesChika]

@@Malactwo Lol, it really isn't, though. The characters are completely useless other than Goku and the action is lacklustre as crap. Never understood why people defend such an atrocious series

[@thedivine1ite461]

The answer to that is the diamonds in the ruff being ssj4, Baby vegeta, and the concept of the shadow dragons.​@BubblesChika

[@BubblesChika]

@@thedivine1ite461 The only one I agree with is Baby. The shadow dragons were ruined with half of them being jokes

[@adradox]

I love Daima a lot. So far it's been nothing but positive experience for me and, hopefully it stays this way.

[@RogueFox2185]

GT & Daima both got their strengths and faults but they both got heart which is more than I can say for the majority of Super which feels soulless for the most part, aside from some questionable stuff here and there I’m interested to see where Daima goes from here.

[@Pokemonleafmon]

I don't know about the assertion that GT has soul. It's pretty unequivocally a cash grab that steals whole hog from previous arcs and movies.

[@Dasaltwarrior]

I think it has soul in that it tries to have fun with revisiting concepts, or occasionally exploring new ones A lot of it is sucked out due to the show's horrendous production, but its clear the team tried to make something of GT and it does show, so I get why a lot of people are infatuated with it

[@streptococo4735]

@@Pokemonleafmon a Cash grab whit a LOT of love. Lets put it this way, GT ended Goku's arc, it gave us an actual ending, it gave us a new beginning whit "fresh" characters, Super LITERALLY was entirely pointless.

[@Pokemonleafmon]

@streptococo4735 Its got some love put into it, but it's still a show that struggles to do new things, trying to recapture a lost spirit through a few episodes of poorly paced adventure then defaulting to nostalgia and action in order to try and gain back a viewer base. It has a whole arc built around bringing back old movie and show villains for cameos. It does a whole mini arc that takes from Oolong's original episode. It throws away its new characters like Uub and Adult Trunks in favor of continuing to just throw Goku at the problem. I'm not denying the quality of it's ending, but it's still a story that primarily banks on nostalgia. Definitely not denying that super doesn't do the same, if not worse. I just think saying GT has soul and Super doesn't is simply an argument primarily based on nostalgia for an older show.

[@_DatDaft_]

@@Pokemonleafmon id respectfully have to disagree, GT does have a soul. Sure it’s taken a few elements from old Sagas and Movies (which ain’t new, as Daima and especially Super do the same), but a lot of the Sagas (to an extent, not the Black Star or Super 17 Saga) have a lotta passion, thought and love put into them, the Baby Saga is full of old lore from Z reused in good ways, with a cool compelling Villain, the Shadow Dragon Saga has a few problems here and there, more so because of Budget cuts as GT was cancelled at that point, but the fact they made the final Saga about the DragonBalls and the consequences of using them too much, is a perfect ending to DB as a whole, especially when the Shadow Dragons where born from some of the major wishes that happened throughout DB and DBZ, with the Ending being a good send off for DB as a whole. Overlooking Sagas, GT actually understands its characters, GT Goku acts the way Goku realistically should 5 - 10 years after End of Z, same goes for GT Vegeta, GT Gohan, ect, though the biggest issue GT has is that it wants to focus more on Goku and leave others like Vegeta or Gohan out on the sideline, but that doesn’t necessarily take away how these characters feel like the complete version of themselves (though be it, I’m still salty at the fact that Majuub was waisted, and we could’ve gotten a SSJ3 GT Vegeta, because Super Baby 2 was a SSJ3...😔, hopefully they do a soft remake of GT one day, but they might just ruin it, because DB now has already shown they can’t get GT Vegeta right) And GT does a few other good things here and there, like SSJ4, the designs, the Music, ect, id say GT has a soul, just a few problems here and there, with a majority of its problems being brought over to Super and Daima, or ether being exaggerated by Fans (like how GT Vegeta got SSJ4)

[@tyrant-nephilimasukara6912]

So I consider myself a long time fan, I've watched literally all of DB(GT and Heroes Included+Kai) and even read fan mangas With that being said, I take big issue with people trying to compare Daima to OG DB when they are just not the same, other than they are both adventure style animes OG DB was about adventure, but it was done with characters that hadn't been established/fleshed out, we didnt know why Goku was so strong or why he could tank bullets which made him interesting and added a bit of mystery, Goku was also just a kid experiencing the world so when he didnt know things it made sense, because he's in the process of learning which makes it fun to watch since it usually leads to comedic moments that felt genuine and not forced, it also wasnt made strictly for kids infact I dont think anyone under like 14 should be reading/watching OG DB cause it can get pretty creepy with Master Roshi lol whereas DBZ/DBS/DBGT is fine for all ages, OG DB had powerscaling, but it mostly felt like Goku had earned his new strength and wasnt just handed a powerup, Goku also had to rely more on actual techniques rather than pure strength to beat some of his opponents, there's also way less blasts thrown out and they are more significant when used since the fights were mostly hand to hand combat DB Daima is strictly a kids show, it's made for kids and that's why they chose the chibi look so it would feel relatable to kids, not to mention it isnt canon and wont be unless they literally decide to retcon DBS even more I would rather watch all of Heroes again than watch another episode of this cheap spin off that adds nothing to DB other than more "Goku's a fucking idiot" moments instead of a literal martial arts master who has access to God ki, like Goku is a literal grandparent and they have him acting more childish/ignorant than his kid self at times, I miss Buu saga Goku's personality where he'd have jokes here and there, but knew when to get serious Daima should have been DBS Goten and Trunks' adventure as it would have gave them a chance to shine, like imagine that most of the Z fighters get turned into kids AND HAVE NO POWER AT ALL, so they are only as strong as an actual child and even weaker than Kid Goku at his weakest, DBS Goten and Trunks have to step up to return them back to normal, but have the antagonist steal the DBs and spread them through out the demon world so now Goten and Trunks' have to search for them in a world they've never been to and forced to learn to become better fighters, THAT would have been interesting to watch even if it wasnt canon cause we'd get to see chars fight that usually dont or dont get much of it plus flesh them out a bit more since those 2 desperately need some char development I will give credit to Daima for their animation, but that's all they got going for them, everything else is mid at best

[@ASTMVN]

As a writer myself, the part about wanting to focus on buildup and less 'KZbin unfriendly parts' as opposed to just spilling out full XXX content is extremely relatable. It's so much more fun.

[@Alienrun]

Same for me. Whatever I write tends to get pretty cringe pretty fast if I chase style over substance. I think long term it might be better to focus on substance first and add the style later...lol :P

[@MrPuple10]

Honestly I haven't seen the most obvious sentiment on why Daima isn't as big in the west. Dragon Ball more than probably any other anime was experienced with its Dub first and thats what a lot of western fans are used to and it's just not out yet other than a limited movie showing last mont. I wouldn't be shocked if it magically shoots up in popularity come January

[@kevintanza6968]

It's the same here in Latin America. I just saw a lot of hype for the return of Laura Torres (the lady who has voiced the kid versions of Goku, Gohan, and Goten for decades), so I wouldn't be surprised if the dub gives it a boost. The first three episodes are also going to be displayed in the movie theaters in January with the Latin American dub.

[@MrJoyShow]

While I have kind of enjoyed Daima, it really brings the addage "You can never go home again" to my mind every time I see it. The world, and Toriyama himself (RIP), have changed so much in 30 years that the spirit of the original Dragon Ball can never really be recaptured. There was always this playful edginess to the original, what with all the casual violence, sex jokes, and just general crudeness to it all. You can see it in a lot of Toriyama's works from around that time period, especially with something like Go Go Ackman. GT tried to recapture that aspect too, but didn't know how, which I think is why you end up with all the offputting Pan scenes... "This is what THOSE PEOPLE like", as you said, was probably their thought process. I also admit I don't really like that idea of turning the characters into kids again to begin with. It seems like a very surface-level way of trying to recapture the original DB, when really Goku and Krillin were the only kids at the time. The core premise is going to immediately be unappealing to a lot of people, so I think that's why it also has an uphill battle.

[@supermariohack3218]

Gotta love all the people upset over the fact that this isn't yet another villan-focused DB story but a classic adventure-focused one instead. As someone who always prefered the original DB over DBZ, (particularly the first four arcs) i'm totally into Daima. This is the first new Dragon Ball thing in YEARS, which i really liked, as opposed to all the DBS stuff for example.

[@kybalerton2608]

Same here. Not to knock the dub community, but I saw someone describe the phenomenon as too many people in this fanbase are dee bee zee fans and not dragon ball fans. To them the story starts with raditz ends with majin buu and super is the greatest thing ever because it caters to their need for constant power escalation and seeing their faves kick butt and get new forms. To me dragon ball is about the adventure and the wacky things toriyama can come with along the way and how he creatively stumbles his way from point a to point b. Fights can happen during that time but it's not the end all be all of the appeal. Unfortunately to most fans, tho fights, and who can beat who is what dragon ball is about

[@supermariohack3218]

​@@kybalerton2608Yeah, a lot of the DBZ fanbase seem to suffer of a seeious feat fetish, only ever wanting to see bigger and bigger threats and transformations. Also: Still find it kinda crazy, how many fans haven't given the original DB a chance and who have only ever watched Z.

[@harristhesecondcomin]

Outside of adding new places to explore and lore, Diama is just badly copied og Dragonball homework.

[@Genobeam125]

My only real issue with Daima is that we only get so many episodes. When we have a slow hotel episode, I can't shake the feeling of "OH GOD WE ONLY HAVE 11 EPISODES LEFT TO WRAP IT UP", while I probably would have loved its change of pace in Super or GT. In all of DB history, episode economy has never really been an issue(to me). That's not even really a fault of Daima's, but that doesn't stop me from subconsciously judging it with a certain lens that can sometimes sour the experience a little.

[@kurokishizx]

Rumours there’s 2 seasons

[@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்]

​@@kurokishizx Nah, there's only 3 dragonballs. Daima will at best have 30 eps and no more than that.

[@pisaschitt787]

I think just like the rest of the modern animes running today, daima will run in cours. 12 episodes will end, then the studio will announce a second part of the 1st season which will be released in whatever season you think of. Cos there is no way you can wrap this storyline up with only 12 episodes. We're almost at 12 and we'te literally still at the 1st dragon ball out of 3

[@theurbanyouth]

No, the real issue, the elephant in the room, it's aimed for preschoolers, and it's another rehashing of Z content with The Majin material, and the GT plot device, but made worse since the entire cast are de-aged. Yet again, the post 90s Dragon Ball just recycles everything from the 80s-90s Dragon Ball, they can't just do anything new and thrilling. I feel the producers just go out of their way to make it as derivative and bad as possible, since they know the audience have no standards and will consume anything.

[@tofuteh2348]

That's fine. 12 episodes should be enough for a show like Daima, and the last thing you want is for it to overstay its welcome

[@MsDarkz123]

Gotta give Daime credit it made me start liking Kaioshin/Nahare which I was feeling pretty indifferent about before. Hope its relationship with its siblings comes forth in some significant way for the climax.

[@Sbeas19]

As a non-American american, I started with og Dragon ball and as I much I do enjoy the nonsense power number battles that Z created, the charm of adventure and silliness that OG started, is and always be amazing to rewatch.

[@NurseValentineSG]

What I so far enjoy about Daima is the worldbuilding. I won't explain anything, but so far every addition they have brought just fits perfectly. Also the fight scenes are absolutely peak.

[@MatheusRebelo]

Omg we got a Dragon Ball Plage video before GTA6. It must be a miracle. My only complaint is that it's not an hour long.

[@TheWatchPartyForever]

Refuses to talk about super: doesn’t explain why. Leaves

[@Shahaneh]

So will you do any reviews of 3D movies, possibly from their 4DX screenings, like Harry Potter 1 this February 27th?. Also point out how Avatar 2 & 3 are Post-Conversions while Mufasa The Lion King and Barroz are Native 3D movies.

[@messypeter397]

i really love this current era of shorter but more plentiful plague videos!

[@metalslug97]

When people think about dragon ball, they dont think about z and vice versa. Nobody talks about Pilaf. Nobody talks about mercenary tao. Nobody talks about general blue. Piccolo had a much different role in the series. Z is a completely different story that just borrows characters from Dragon ball and that's about as closely related that they can possibly get. Dragon ball and dragon ball z are so unbelievably different it gives me vertigo how dragon ball goku and z goku are the same person.

[@kevintanza6968]

Well, in the manga, there is no division. From the Pilaf gang arc to Buu, it's just one manga. Still, for the life of me, I don't understand how people start from Z. How can you understand anything when you are already introduced to Goku, his friends, Piccolo, and that the protagonist has a big revelation of being an alien? It doesn't work the same way.

[@doclouis4236]

I've grown really sick of Goku acting like a child or being turned into one. That also applies to him being voiced by someone to sound "pure-hearted" and "child-like" to everyone related to him sounding similar or implied to replace him early on in the story, only to not actually happen. It's honestly ridiculous how much this series keeps nostalgia-baiting with Goku.

[@paperbackwriter1111]

I feel like Daima is a good balance of these two elements you outline. I watched the most recent 5 episodes blazed when I finally got a calm night the other week and I was laughing and being charmed by the funny antics of our lead ensemble and grinning like a moron when Goku powered up and had a sick sakuga fight with the robot that ended with Nozawa screaming extra hard and blasting the robot into a mountain. Its biggest problem is clunky exposition, if you ask me. Too much stuff just being explained at me instead of woven into the story. But it‘s gotten better with time, I feel it was egregious in the first 4 episodes.

[@boogiemann9363]

Plague I just rewatched the monster factory Fallout 4 series and when you referenced it I had a bit of an existential crisis.

[@notwhoyouthink1]

Haflway through it becomes a Zullie the Witch video about some strange bosses I've never seen before.

[@japanimater777]

Personally, I'd really like Dr. Slump to be released in one SD-Blu ray collection, but then I see the episode count of 243/256 episodes for the 1980's series and 74 episodes for the 1990's series. Even if it's just subs with no dubs, I don't think anyone but Discotek would release it on video, but I'm sure they'd never be able to get the license. Crunchyroll (Sony) doesn't do SD-Blu ray releases, so I've given up on getting Dragon Ball in one Blu-ray collection.

[@Jgt612]

Hey nice work on keeping to your target of shorter videos man! I love the 40 minute plus videos myself, but I recall you saying in another video you wanted to aim shorter. Good stuff much love

[@Alex_YJ_Reed]

I don't think I've ever heard a more apt and succinct description of Dragon Ball than when you said it's heart is comedy and it's bones are screaming and numbers. Tangentially, I think that is why Abridged works as well as it does: it taps into what the series has REALLY been about.

[@samditto]

I just got home from a dragonball binge wtf

[@1PROFITPROPHET1]

My favorite aspect beyond the tone is a combo of insane lore drops A week to digest them

[@wadewade3790]

Plague, Do you like Helldivers 2?

[@TheInfiniteAmo]

"GT is Dragon Ballface" Now I need an AI voice meme of GT Goku saying Bazinga

[@pensandoemalgo.5722]

I actually think it's pretty stupid to say that this wasn't marketed, because ALL the games have Daima content, if you search for Dragon Ball they'll be talking about Daima, like, there's no fan who doesn't know that Daima exists, people just don't watch it because they want to protest, because they wanted a Super anime, and that could have the opposite effect and make it worse for the Super anime, like Toei: We invested so much in Daima, we did it with so much dedication, and it came to almost nothing, and the Super that we invested NOTHING in made MUCH MORE money, so let's go back to doing things like we did before.

[@MaryMaryMarcy]

I think the issue is that (to be frank here) most "Dragon Ball" franchise fans are Z and Super fans, that is people want the big shounen man to do a big power up and do a massive punch and beat the villain. Daima (from what I've seen and heard, not watched since I'm a dub person) is a callback to OG DB in terms of tone, its Toriyama at his most Toriyama-ist. It's comedic, lighthearted, adventurous, and thats everything Z fans just don't care for at all. A lot of people just aren't that interested in it for that reason I think, hell I think a lot of people haven't even really watched Dragon Ball. Hoping it does well enough despite this though, but I wonder how much of an audience it really has.

[@jimbob1862]

Daima has definitely been marketed, but I think it's also fair to say that they've marketed it wrong by mainly focusing on tie ins to games and such. Take Daima Goku in XV2, he only dropped like a month ago and Daima had barely started then, so he doesn't actually have a bunch of properly unique moves and thus feels a bit like a rip off because the devs had no real reference for him unless they were using Goku from DB. A lot of players have complained about him feeling just kinda bland. Compare that with how long fans had to wait for anything relating to solid news about Daima, and in the west even Superhero before that was a bitch to find actual info on. To fans like me at least it feels like a very weird and huge step back from how well integrated the global fanbase was accounted for in Broly's marketing which in itself was a response to how badly the Super launch was handled. I'm actually enjoying Daima personally, I'm not caught up but I just watch it a few episodes at a time and it's pretty fun and solid, to the point it just confuses me even more that they didn't market it better. It's not perfect but it's a very good middle ground between DB and Z.

[@manganimesYT]

funny thing, im re playing DB Fusions right now, and there s a super good mix in it of the super dumb ( i love them) Toriyama touchess all the while delivering the " fan service fusions and transformations". it feels a bit as if toriyama wrote heroes

[@BlackSteelKeyChain]

New grapes video means happy times

[@MisterCynic18]

13:18 "Wholesome" is an interesting way to describe a writing style where an old man preving on a teenage girl is the peak of comedy, but I'll allow it 😂

[@terraventusaqua123]

How you say something so controversial and so flagrantly correct!…

[@MrTokyoJunkie]

I think whether you like Daima is entirely dependent on what type of DB fan you are in regards to the focus and narrative tone of the story. Personally, I think this is the best thing we've gotten since Z and that's coming from someone who appreciated GT for what it was; an official fan series. Super definitely had its moments but something was missing for most of its runtime for me. Daima definitely has that 'something'

[@steelixman]

some trivia about tickling torture against bulma: i watched a DYKG video about metal gear peace walker in a cutscene where snake is getting tortured, where in the japanese version he gets tickled and you hear him laughing instead of agonizing in pain. I can't remember the exact reason why, but in some japanese media, torture is censored and get replaced by tickling.

[@Poko-j1y]

I think what really sells Daima for me is that from episode one, it felt like there was substantial lore being provided to us. From learning what demons are, their situation, the Majins and Namekians and why they are what they are, and even why some wishes dragonballs can't grant while others they can. All while still feeling like an organic and understandable part of the story. Toriyama went back to things he never explained in the Buu saga, like Dabura's deal and what Buu even is, and gave satisfying answers that has built upon what we already know without tearing anything down. GT felt like a bunch of silly busywork that didn't really tell us anything and felt hackneyed, while Daima's info and lore serves a perpose that helps elevate the lore of the rest of the series.

[@chadafiy]

My favorite dragon ball KZbinr is back

[@Sgt.Groovy]

To be fair, dancing is pretty damn powerful. One hip swivel and I'm on the floor.

[@snatcher8517]

skip to 13:58 for the answer youre looking for

[@OGSumo]

2:28 HUGE LEAK: Plague Monster Factory animation confirmed release date Dec. 32nd 2024

[@savaget2058]

GT's opening story starting with the Para Para Brothers and everything afterwards being a "gotcha" was one of my biggest gripes about the show.

[@SuperSaiyanGuyver]

Do THREE SERIES. Like Marvel Comics does. You have Dragonball: Space Adventure. Goku, Kaishin and Jaco train Uub. They need to limit their power levels to apprehend bad guys all over the galaxy. They work on limiting themselves and using real martial arts techniques instead of power level battles. Then you ALSO have Dragonball: The Next Step where Goten, Dende, Trunks and Pan go on fun adventures (and High school drama) as the next group of Earth's heroes. And for your Power Level fans you just have a series about Vegeta mopping up other threats across the universe.

[@michaelchristie8329]

Oh boy. A GripeBalls just before the year ends? Gee, Plague. You shouldn’t have.

[@ExaDat]

When I was a kid I love original dragon ball and now I love daima. It has that og silliness and lightheartedness from the original, even the fights it has aren't super serious scream fests and throw beams that can destroy planets for the sake of the universe. I think it feels more like something Toriyama would have wanted.

[@danvsbronies]

I can’t believe they did it again.

[@TheDirtbaggrif]

Well I think it shouldn't be recognized that, as much as Goku is a shitty dad and loves fighting more than his own children, he doesn't want to solve his problems with violence.

[@TrossellFig]

So I know this is a Dragonball video and I like it but I just wanna say that ever since your Villains video, I've been hoping to hear what you have to say about Michael Corleone. Villains is actually one of my favorite videos ever. Really makes me think.

[@bobdole27]

I like Daima enough in terms of explaining things, but to my knowledge even OG Dragonball was never really lore heavy there was lots of different set pieces the gang travelled to but things weren't really all that fleshed out like whats trying to be done in Daima. In Daima it seems they are trying to tackle fleshing out the universe they set up which they never really tried prior (much like OG Dragonball, Z just kind of has set pieces with few explanations). As for tackling power scaling I don't even think that they had to make the characters, they could've just made it such that ki doesn't work the same in demon world and its really only magic that counts, therein goku and co would only be able to rely on their base fighting skills and strength and maybe have to learn maybe some magic.

[@imanca8217]

The lore on OGDB only started getting big when King Piccolo is introduce

[@OkMakuTree]

Daima’s pacing is a bit clunky and the exposition could be integrated more naturally. Overall, though, I’ve really been enjoying the show! It feels like a natural continuation of the story post Buu and it’s been really nice to see Kaioshin get some shine after being overlooked for so long. It’s nice to have a plot that isn’t entirely focused around power escalation. We’ll see if Daima sticks the landing, but I’m happy with what we’ve gotten so far!

[@helrazr44]

I think these points are what makes Battle of Gods and Super hero easily the best of the DB movies in tone of the series. Theyre fun, good romps with silly characters in silly situations, featuring awesome fights

[@mutzielen]

The way you said "stuff done to her" is art