Nissan Leaf - Battery ID Secrets Exposed

[@Pittsburghfix]

Great video, thank you for explaining this , seems pretty straightforward and saves having to buy a $300 adapter, or worse have nissan switch out the battery.

[@anthonycraig274]

WT Hell!!! I have to say this is a impressive video. I only purchased a LEAF (last week) while I wait for my model Y. Now, I like it so much, I am planning to keep it.

[@Youngandsuccessful33]

Same lol

[@mfherreradi]

I have a 11 and a 12 leaf, now at 60% and 64% SOH. Eventually I will update batteries capacity, probably going DIY using LG chem pouch cells,... very useful information, keep doing great videos!

[@rushanfernando5207]

Did you do the update? How successful was it? I've seen issues with using NCM cells such as LG Chem because the LBC is expecting the behavior of LMO chemistry. Because of that you cannot use the full capacity of the NCM cell.

[@mfherreradi]

@@rushanfernando5207 I have not updated yet, both original battery pachs are still going strong! (~58, ~60 SOH)

[@rushanfernando5207]

@@mfherreradi that's good news unfortunately mine is about to give up. soon I'll be trying NCM cells I'll give an update

[@restfulplace3273]

There are cells from CATL - cheap. Complete kits to upgrade. Idk if good. Trying to find someone who has done this.

[@camberwellcarrot420]

I'm surprised that the EU hasn't slapped car manufacturers down for pulling this kind of anti-competitive practice.

[@mfx1]

They can claim it's a safety thing as they don't know the history of the replacement battery, it could be damaged which isn't entirely unreasonable.

[@DanielMosey]

@@mfx1 It is unreasonable. It's your car and if you want to put a battery in it that's unsafe and it blows up and takes your house with it then who has the right to say no to that? Your car, your battery, your house. Just make it so that you void any and all warranty and anything else if you tamper with the car.

[@Tron-Jockey]

@@DanielMosey - Nissan likely had to do this. What's to stop unscrupulous people from removing a good battery pack and replacing it with a bad one then demanding a warranty replacement? With the cost of these battery packs being so expensive you can bet your sweet ass this would happen. Nissan was simply protecting itself.

[@mwbgaming28]

​@@Tron-Jockeyeasy, the manufacture date, cycle count, fast charge history.etc would all be visible, if the battery information doesn't match the car it came with, no warranty replacement for you

[@greenergenes]

Battery id shown outlined in RED via Leaf Sp yPro @ 8:47 Kudos to Daniel Oster for pointing out this valuable information.

[@TuanNguyen-pp4uo]

I am obsessed with this battery upgraded. Hope there is a training that I can be certified for a qualified technician.

[@richard7059]

I would like to do the same

[@restfulplace3273]

Ditto tho I expect KZbin and forums will teach you specific details better. The auto tech certifications are best gained from your local trade school

[@HandyKindaGuyUK]

This... Was amazing to watch!

[@Top12Boardsport]

So PRO keep up the good work. Auto makers need to stop this nonsense.

[@lordpitnolen2196]

I thought this practice had become illegal in the UK, or, no dought, there'll be 'get out' clauses.

[@ELEISONCARABALLO]

Awesome video Daniel, congrats. I have to start getting my head around this subject to polish my diagnostic skills. Can you tell us please what interface we have to use in order to start with this techniques. No only for Leaf, I mean to diagnose glitches in general in the CAN circuits on modern cars is where I am really interested only. The idea of being able to analyse in real time the CAN messages, log, etc is very interesting. Thanks for sharing this useful information.

[@DalasEVRepair]

I can really recommend companies like Vector / Kvaser when it comes to software solutions for this. Unfortunately all the good stuff is pay-only, hardware AND software. It is really tough to do it without quality tools!

[@ELEISONCARABALLO]

@@DalasEVRepair Thanks Daniel. You are becoming a likewise mentor for us. I know so little about CAN system, but I have to learn this stuff as I am an automotive technician and if we want to stay in business we have to learn this new technologies. Thanks for sharing. Blessings from Slovenia

[@doughyun3428]

WHAT QUALITY TOOLS????

[@stevejordan7275]

Hey, interesting development: Today, I got a call back from my local Nissan dealer. I have a 2011 with a 2015 24kWh battery that Nissan installed under Klee (the class action.) It's at 10 bars of capacity, and has about 40 miles of usable range with an 80% charge. I had gone in and asked to buy a new 62kWh battery from them, and the Parts guy said his computer was telling him *that* part has to be ordered through Service. The Service guy said they'd check my car first and see which battery they could fit in it. I just got a message that Nissan would sell and install a new 40kWh battery for US$13,245. (From the message, I couldn't tell if that's with installation or not.) But at least they're acknowledging it's possible, and offering to do it. And a $13K new battery is *much* less expensive than a $35K new car.

[@DalasEVRepair]

The service center is unfortunately not informed well enough. There is no OEM solution for adapting a 40kWh battery to a ZE0 LEAF. If they order it, the installation will not be successful. But it would be fun to see them try :)

[@stevejordan7275]

@@DalasEVRepair Hm. I suppose they would give me my $13K and old 2015 24kWh battery back. But I thought all the batteries could be adapted to the ZE0 Leaf. I'd heard of at least two installs of the 62kWh battery (though not through Nissan.) Are you simply saying there's no official Nissan path for it? (I thought it had been done by some smart Finn.) Maybe my dealer has a bold tech who has seen your work, and wants to show management how they can still make money selling batteries.

[@DalasEVRepair]

@@stevejordan7275 Yup, no OEM path. But personally I've now sent 7x kits for DIY 62kWh upgrades yes 😁

[@stevejordan7275]

@@DalasEVRepair "You've sent...?" That's stellar! Can I buy one from you? (I have the funds budgeted.) Or do you mean only that you've sent them within Europe? *(Finding* a 62kWh battery seems to be the challenge at the moment!) Or can I buy the upgrade kit sans battery, locate the battery locally, and then DIY the upgrade?

[@DalasEVRepair]

@@stevejordan7275 The last option is what 99% of customers do!

[@ElectricEvan]

Where I live in Massachusetts we have a "right to repair" law and I am pretty sure it makes what Nissan is doing here illegal.

[@mfx1]

Not if they can claim it's for safety reasons.

[@Billy28376]

Yup they'll always claim it's for your safety.

[@miloe436]

This is done in all kind of areas. Printers have the hdd locked to the main pca etc

[@richardwallinger1683]

wow I wishy I was clever ..76 Year old 2011 leaf owner with 99km range .

[@DalasEVRepair]

Never too late to learn anything 😁

[@gionibegood6950]

ok, you found the old id, now how you write it in the new battery? when tye subject was the most interesting, you finished the video

[@DalasEVRepair]

With a CAN-bridge! You simply record the old ID, flash it onto a CAN-bridge, and install the new battery. I can't show the code, but it is very similar to something like in this repository: github.com/dalathegreat/Nissan-Leaf-ChargeCurrent

[@user-rl3qm6dr4d]

Вот спасибо, разложил все по полочкам.

[@ybpvin]

Да, да.

[@pashko90]

Да Дала вообще красавчик. И датабазы красивые собрал

[@marcus.H]

Sadly, Apple have started doing this with almost every component in their new phones, even screens! I'll never buy that

[@Lilmiket1000]

yea, tired of these companies having you buy a product and everything's fine until it breaks then you find out you really never owned it because you cant do what you want to do to it because they have it locked down. It's like purchasing a car cash. Then you have a blowout. But just because you replaced the tire they deactivate the car remotely, permanently unless you go back to the dealer to get it replaced.

[@kevinmills5293]

I’ll stick with my ICE car. If I need to change the fuel tank, there will be none of this shite.

[@SNORKYMEDIA]

apple are such hypocrites - they bleat on about how recyclble their products are then actively dont allow people to repair their products...........

[@FVBmovies]

Marcus, not necessarily, because Apple has made mistakes in past, which Apple at the beginning stated as "for security purposes", TouchID swap fiasco for example. Not saying it's not true that Apple is scumbag company for certain practices, but sometimes it's a bug or a mistake which is being presented (e.g. lied) as on purpose.

[@marcus.H]

@@FVBmovies no, they deliberately have disabled repairs on new models. It cost them money and research to make this "feature" which is a way to block users repairing their own devices. I'll never buy another product from any company who takes advantage of me and restricts my choices

[@Xyquest]

This is great info. I have a 2014 leaf that will eventually need a battery swap. I plan on a diy project.

[@DalasEVRepair]

Let me know if you need a CAN-bridge :)

[@HandyKindaGuyUK]

@@DalasEVRepair I do!

[@DalasEVRepair]

@@HandyKindaGuyUK Send me a PM via www.dalasevrepair.fi !

[@matthewtaylor3351]

I’m still surprised there isn’t an ev design can swap battery units with a home power wall. Charge battery units from solar during day, swap between car-house at night when home, drive to work next day, repeat. Would require a modular battery system and car body designed to allow swapping out batteries. Should be possible in a ute or van design. 4 Door passenger car layout a bit harder.

[@stevejordan7275]

Around 3:30, you showed the battery pairing tool, which looked like an all-in-one solution. Then you talked about Muxsan and how they do battery swaps and upgrades without using one of these widgets (I've been following his adventures for years,) with the promise of "let's take a look at how he does it." And then we get a fantastic run-up of how the battery ID system talks between its components before you say, "that's enough for one video." Wait...what? Only the fact that you released this months ago prevents me from taking you to task for a job half-done. Perhaps you have finished it already.

[@DalasEVRepair]

The Muxsan way IS explained in this video. It's just a simple replace of the ID using a CAN-bridge. With the info in this video, anyone should be able to copy that. The pairing method has hit a bit of a wall. See this github.com/dalathegreat/Nissan-Leaf-BatteryPairing

[@stevejordan7275]

@@DalasEVRepair Yikes. Still, thanks for the update. Not sure Nissan will take too kindly to trying to crack their code. I can't even get these bozos to commit to locating a 40kWh battery for me.

[@BernardSamson-hf6fc]

Hi Dala, I have Nissan Leaf 2015, one cell has been replaced, however the read out still shows same fault on the same cell. Do i need to Code the cell in? Cell 51 & 52 one shows 4 mV and the other is showing 4550 mV. All other cells are 3890 mV.

[@DalasEVRepair]

That sounds bad! Make a thread on the Mynissanleaf.com forum, and attach screenshots there!

[@V10PDTDI]

Hi I’m into European car and I just bought a 2015 VW e golf SEL with the 24.2 kw/h the battery is ok but I just want to see if there’s a possibility of a swap. Have you seen any person or company swap for a 2017 and newer golf physically it should be the same but I don’t know what would happen if you would install a bigger pack with no modifications and I don’t know if all the connector are the same ?

[@DalasEVRepair]

I have no clue, something to look into for sure!

[@user-cy4iz1if2b]

Dala, I have a 2013 nissan leaf 24kwh I woul like to change the battery from a 2017 nissan leaf 30kwh can battery be pair with Leaf Spy ?

[@DalasEVRepair]

Yes

[@user-cy4iz1if2b]

Thank for getting back to me with the answer so soon

[@RaglansElectricBaboon]

Thanks Dala. Great information clearly explained. 10/10

[@rashidmohmd546]

Can we add a gasoline-powered generator to the main battery while it is working?

[@DalasEVRepair]

Nah, the leaf charger is programmed to not operate while vehicle is moving

[@rashidmohmd546]

Can we change the car computer programming to what we want and what is the way

[@DalasEVRepair]

@@rashidmohmd546 sure we can, but it requires thousands of workhours to reverse engineer

[@rashidmohmd546]

@@DalasEVRepair Do you know someone other than the program or can change it?

[@pashko90]

@@rashidmohmd546 you need to pull HV cables out of pack or get access in any other way to HV line and use external charger like Tesla gen2 modified, or Brusa charger.

[@patrikpira2661]

Anyone try to go to their nissan dealer and just ask them to code in their new battery? If they refuse, report them to your local consumer rights agency (which are quite powerful in the civilized parts of the world).

[@stevejordan7275]

Wow...that's sure worth a try. Thanks, Patrik. And you still have the CAN bridge option, so buy a new battery with confidence! (And if you have a first-gen battery, be sure to also buy the adapter. Probably from Nissan. I know they make one, because my 2011 has a 2015 battery.)

[@stevejordan7275]

Update: Nissan do not have a distinct adapter like the one Dala sells; buy one from him!

[@pashko90]

@@stevejordan7275 Yes, black replacement packs for ze0 are "hybrid" packs, it's 13+ case with front connectors from ze0. Pretty rare peace to have. As well LBC is different. Trying to get one, but have no luck yet.

[@sunnyhongkong]

I have problem swapping battery in Nissan note epower 2018 help please

[@DalasEVRepair]

Send me a mail via the contact form over at www.dalasevrepair.fi

[@gacherumburu9958]

👍

[@saeedmardani3900]

Hi, where is it possible to buy the batteries from?

[@DalasEVRepair]

Scrapyards is the only option!

[@PietjeNL]

You can request Muxsan if they have some from swaps to bigger battery's. There based in the Netherlands

[@andrewallen9993]

What sort of idiot buys an electric car where the makers can screw you of this badly?

[@fuadtayeh1082]

My friend, how true is the talk about raising bars from 10 to 12? Is it true that the module is being changed? As far as I know, the module does not change because the average readings 1/48 must be one because they are consecutive and what is the solution if the bars go down to 10

[@DalasEVRepair]

Could you rephrase the question?

[@fuadtayeh1082]

@@DalasEVRepair Is there a way to return the bars to their previous position from 10 bars to 12?

[@DalasEVRepair]

@@fuadtayeh1082 Yes! By replacing bad modules and running a "Reset BMS" command with the official Nissan Consult3+ tool!

[@fuadtayeh1082]

@@DalasEVRepair Is it through that the percentage of freight increases?

[@fuadtayeh1082]

@@DalasEVRepair When examining the battery, one of them claims that it is checked to look for a variation in the volt, and the cell is switched on this basis. Is that correct?

[@ItisImarko]

Hei, did you ever eksperiment with parallel akumolator's? Let we say 2x 40kwh to get 80kwh? Or from kia akumolator which is 80kwh allredy to get akumolator of size 160kwh?

[@DalasEVRepair]

Look into Muxsan, sounds like you are describing a range extender

[@ItisImarko]

@@DalasEVRepair No no im not talking as range extender. Ja ok-2x capcity = 2x range but that was not my reason for question. Building aku pack is 1 thing but properly ip68 rating is another thing and time and and and....when you designing fram schrach takes astronom time. The reason is that i want el boat and would be super elegant to instal 4x 80kWh aku pack. Thats why the unusual question. Btw thank you for answering and your proper and good videos!

[@pashko90]

@@ItisImarko it will gonna work. Where is a muxsun soft for a can bus bridge what can do the trick.

[@SkaP.]

Hello. Thanks for your video. Tell me please ID "0x1DC" for AZE0 or only for ZE1?

[@DalasEVRepair]

Both!

[@SkaP.]

I don't see ID "0x1DC" in my trace file. Maybe it's because my AZE0 is from Japan?

[@SkaP.]

My trace was made on CAR-can . Now need to do EV-can. Is my understanding correct?

[@doughyun3428]

How are you viewing the codes??

[@DalasEVRepair]

By reverse engineering the can communication protocol

[@shauncross6049]

Hi I cant seem to find LEAF spy pro BETA I only have the PRO version

[@DalasEVRepair]

Are you on android or iphone? Only available on Android!

[@shauncross6049]

Android

[@DalasEVRepair]

@@shauncross6049 Search for Leafspy PRO on the google play store, scroll down on the store page, apply to become an early tester?

[@johnpreston1008]

Does this open up the possiblity of using different batteries, such as 18650s or different prismatic cells to replace or extend the range of a leaf battery?

[@DalasEVRepair]

Nope, but this does: github.com/dalathegreat/Nissan-Leaf-Bruteforce-Upgrade

[@UnipornFrumm]

same like apple,only apple is winning

[@lengowiec]

Jesteś Polakiem ? Mówisz po polsku ?

[@FalconFour]

I literally laughed out loud as you stopped JUST short of explaining how to actually reprogram or work-around the new battery having the wrong ID. Sure, you say how to get the ID out, but stopped short of giving away the whole farm that sells the EVs Enhanced tool ;) Darn it... (because CAN messages are broadcast, you can't just insert an ID you like onto the bus... you'd have to cut, intercept, and rebroadcast the messages - with that painfully expensive CAN Bridge!)

[@DalasEVRepair]

"Painfully expensive CAN-bridge" is 100€. It is true that I sell the complete solutuion for doing this, but with the info here given you have the choice to go for your own implementation, or just buy the code or code+hardware from me. I don't think any other company would be this transparent!

[@FalconFour]

@@DalasEVRepair ~ what, 100€? I looked on the site and I saw 500€ which put it out of the realm of the common man... Where's it 100€? I would almost literally buy it right now, even without a Leaf (I want one as a project car some day - I drove one for 6 years before a Model 3 today). I just couldn't imagine buying it for the price I saw!

[@DalasEVRepair]

@@FalconFour www.tindie.com/products/muxsan/can-mitm-bridge-3-port-rev-25/

[@Bottleworksnet]

@@DalasEVRepair Your web site states "The price for a CAN-bridge(flying lead+3d-printed case) with the battery upgrade software is 450€+shipping."

[@DalasEVRepair]

@@Bottleworksnet Yes, this is the plug'n'play version that costs more. Since Matt was worried about high prices, I linked the cheapest empty CAN-bridge if you are worried about cost. But then more legwork to code the functionality, took me half a year.

[@davidreid2708]

Less

[@stanislavmelis1290]

is that easy ? amazing :)

[@EnlightenedSavage]

This should be banned.

[@BrianMartin2007]

Why???

[@LadislavMate]

You should be banned.

[@DanielMosey]

9:26 No, All I know is that you're wrong. I have no clue what on Earth I just watched. I'm still an expert in nothing unfortunately.

[@DalasEVRepair]

Well you watched it at least 😁 Next time you need to know how the battery ID protection system works you'll know where to look 😂