Dale Jr. and Tony Glover Talk Cheating in NASCAR | The Dale Jr. Download

[@moone50]

"We'll win every one of'em...till they catch us"....Junior Johnson

[@deuce9624]

I could listen to this all day!!! What a great guest to have on the show! The crew chiefs that y’all have had on this year have been amazing to listen too!

[@mikenre]

Only cheating if ya get caught 😅

[@rydplrs71]

And it’s actually against the rules. Modern NASCAR likes changing the rules while handing out penalties.

[@castelnausci7315]

Yeah baby i agree %100 here

[@rodgersrcaviation2785]

Until u get caught it’s race car engineering science. Lol

[@castelnausci7315]

@@rodgersrcaviation2785 Yes indeed :)

[@RoscoeDaMule]

only scumbags would say something like that

[@RoyBaty]

I love the stories about the old inspectors who only cared about pre race inspection. Back in the day, after the race was over they didn't care if the car was still legal. Being creative and bending the rules was part of the sport.

[@stevenwalker9013]

They didn’t want the controversy of taking a win away. It still happens today, there are lots of rumors of the 48 failing post race and they would just tell them not to bring it back they would be looking for the trick part (area) next pre race inspection. It’s why they got fed up with Chad and suspended him so long a couple times

[@jimroberts2279]

Exactly right..Tony,you let me look inside the 4 car one time when I stopped by in Abingdon and I told you (Norman Davis told me to stop by and see you sometime, Mousey Taylor worked for my Dad in our Body Shop in Yuma,Va)..it all blended together and I could see nothing but darkness in the car! As they always said,Flat black would hide a multitude of sins..Again thank you for being so kind to let me look around at the race cars many years ago!

[@stevehageman6785]

Great show, glad I stumbled on it!

[@TanDawg58]

Sterling Marlin "Well, you know, Tony Glover and the boys done a good job, gotta thank all the boys back at the shop. Ol cars runnin pretty good"

[@kylemarzion2814]

Tan don't forget to mention runt. Lol. But yeah that summed Sterling interviews

[@scottdrenske830]

My favorite was restrictor racing. Drilling holes in intake bolts and carb bolts to get more air in engines

[@outoftheirskulls5676]

The Pettey Brothers.

[@Mike62501]

Day I met you Tony in the engine shop. I was working at FEL-PRO and you had our heat gaskets carbon tracking next to intake valves. My boss then Jerry R. Asked if you knew why? You said nope….. I waited and asked you how much are the 23 degree heads roller over? You just smiled sitting on the work bench swinging your legs and said bout 3/8” haaaaa. I knew I liked you right off and then to find out you used to Drag Raced now I under stood you. Glad your doing fine Tony. God Bless Mike❤

[@SmokeShow9969]

That was a good story about Tony Jr... I always liked his stories about the junkyard dogs ripping his Bodine shirt off him and put a good wrench shirt on 😂

[@jasonsimpkins9069]

If you ain't cheatin you ain't trying!🤣🤘

[@hughobrien4139]

My favorite was scrutinizing various test methods that lead to improvements. If a person is picky enough they can find simple little errors that either shed additional light and further direction if not outright improvements.

[@cuznclive2236]

"How's the chassis?" ...very few people influenced my decisions while I worked in NASCAR; Tony's wisdom became clear at the latter end of my involvement. I did not do him right, but to my defense I was too stupid to get was he was telling me! At 52, and as an accountant, I get it. Use the rules to make them an evolving thing for a benefit and evolve, unless simplicity trumps; then order the same lunch at the same diner for as long as it lasts. I was one of the first to get 24+gallons in a fuel cell. Sorry Al (RIP) that I took an advantage in our relationship. He had Parkinson's Disease, but he loved to learn how I did it, and we had many great conversations about the process. When Kyle, at PE2's team, went through inspection we handed $100/$200 Spree phone cards to officials in order to ignore the "pans" we placed under the lip of the nose (creating severe front downforce). DEI introduced , and exasperated, severe shock pressure in 1998-1999; we like'd to kill Steve as a result. The purpose was to minimize "spring" (springs) by excluding them as much as possible; the result ended in deaths and severe/career ending wrecks. Forward a few years, and we are running a three-point suspension at Talladega, with the right-rear spring being useless; I began to see more deaths occurring. NASCAR finally began to have a clue-ish. Tony is the "Man" who made things change by staying simple, and I will never forget how he explained his life of wisdom to an idiot.

[@mroptical1982]

Hello Dale and Mike and Tony great interview I always enjoy listening to old nascar creative engineering

[@nealieanderson512]

Love this conversation…..once again I learned so much.

[@RoyBaty]

Love these stories. NASCAR is taking al this stuff away. It isn't cheating. It's innovation.

[@darkrampage3216]

Oh buddy I’m sure there’s still plenty of innovation, they just gotta get more creative nowadays. Can’t wait to hear the stories in 30 years 😂

[@RoyBaty]

@@darkrampage3216 True. The penalties now for altering any piece provided by NASCAR are so severe though.

[@darkrampage3216]

@@RoyBaty just makes it harder to not get caught. I’m sure there’s plenty behind the scenes that we won’t be privy to for a couple decades

[@corvairjim1]

The stuff that comes out on these podcasts is just incredible! I never would have thought about the color of paint on the chassis having any bearing on how much was visible. Tony mentioned that they had a "good plate program". Good? For about 4 years, you could tell when the #4 car went by because it just sounded different. And it almost seemed as if, if you didn't have that Runt Pittman engine under the hood, you would be competing for second place at best. Might as well engrave Ernie's or Sterling's name on the trophy before the race.

[@chuckcts-v3460]

Smokey Yunick, a early mechanic/owner who bent the rules. If you do not know who he is, then check him out.

[@davidrice3337]

I would love to see what Smokey would have to say about the drivers now - it would be hilarious

[@austinlallison]

I always wondered what happened to Tony Glover. Good to see him still around!

[@christopherbouchard4121]

He's a tech guy for the regional series. I see him all the time on the west series side.

[@slwsnowman4038]

The Blacked out Kodak car was fantastic looking and the sound...just a fantastic sound.

[@kennethward3354]

Hero to me -- Gene an Tony Glover Kingsport Speedway Tn.

[@HolyCrap-cz6vs]

I love listening to stories about “innovation “.

[@Kanawha_Railfan]

Love hearing about these cheating stories!

[@HankeyMountainGarage]

I love how dale jr called it innovation, because it really was, it's not like they were cheating by copying someone's homework, or blatently cheating like you'd do in golf and doing something like changing nascar's scoring system. They were just pushing the rulebook very far and taking advantage of nascar not checking work before and after the races!.

[@davidteller7681]

"Interpreting the rule book"!

[@TheForeverRanger]

It wasn't cheating until they made a rule against it.

[@TheJagjr4450]

Dove Grey chassis, engines, and engine compartments was a Penske thing starting in the early 60's, if not before. It makes pinpoint source detection of leaking fluids much easier.

[@jeffausbun]

Thanks for this.. I almost forgot about tony... thank you once again for bringing another Icon to your podcast... love ya..

[@philliplangley9302]

Great stories when you bring the veterans on.

[@walkerking3875]

Great interview with Tony Glover

[@DC322]

#4 Kodak Chevy with Irvan and Marlin was bad ass fast. You can get away as much until getting caught red handed.

[@zlinedavid]

I loved Tony’s comment about how it was just a good driver plus a “good” engine. Oh come on….from around 92-96, he and Runt Pittman hit on something to where that #4 was an absolute beast on the plate tracks. Runt was a damn good engine builder, but they had a little “innovation” or two that he’s still slow playing.

[@kylemarzion2814]

I wonder why Bobby Hamilton didn't have much success in restricted Plates, like marlin ,Ernie, I know Tony was gone but still Larry he new all that stuff too.

[@DC322]

@@kylemarzion2814 I'm not sure but the team was declining despite Hamilton winning at Martinsville.

[@zlinedavid]

@@kylemarzion2814 The team was declining and…not to slight Bobby (RIP), but Sterling was objectively a better driver. A lot of people give credit to the MMM team, but they only had sporadic success outside of Ernie and Sterling. It wasn’t just the cars.

[@MidTennPews]

You hear about stuff like this and then you realize how trivial a piece of clear tape really is.

[@shelleyking8450]

Just like ANY of their "creativity", nothing is trivial when they find out about it.

[@funyd]

Man, need that dirty mo hat. Checked the dirty mo sight and didn't see a flex fit dirty mo hat. love that deep red color too.

[@KR1736]

Smokey Yunick is smiling in approval

[@jeffreid7272]

I remember seeing on of Jr's crew guys look inside Brenden's car in the roof area. LOL

[@mikejohnson5491]

Was at a track that had a museum with one small wall of illegal parts, then go around the corner and a large wall of Jr Johnson's illegal parts

[@Jeffbambam]

Innovation is what shows a person's intelligence, I want a innovative person, Nascar needs that .

[@XCaliKev]

👍😎 Love those stories. Thanks JR. 🖖

[@Anthony-or9ku]

Hey Jr what about an interview with Shane Hmiel or how ever you spell his last name !! That might be a hell of an interview !!

[@ChrisMcCutcheon-wj2pp]

Loved when glover and the 4 crew was kicking arss, yes I am from Nashville tn,

[@shannon3n8]

Who dis guy?? The Tony Glover I remember had VERY DARK brown hair! And he always had super slick cars. He and Runt Pitman - engine guru for Morgan-McClure on par with RCR legends Eddie Lanier, Lou LaRosa, Spenny Clendenen, Danny Lawrence - had the meanest, rudest sounding Chevys at Speedweeks with Sterling Marlin... that deep, rich, guttural growl-y rumble that made your toenails curl and your innards quiver with pure adrenaline and anticipation. This whole episode was another good one. Thanks Dale, MD, and DMR/DJD! PS: Dale, if you by some random act of boredom you should ever read this, go back through your Betamax collection to Bristol Spring Valleydale Meats 500 1991 around 2:32:00 of 3:03:58 race time. Watch for the jack stand to come flying out from beneath the left side of Sterling Marlin's #22 Maxwell House Ford and slide across the track after Sterling catches fire. Gives a whole new spin on lead weights in the railing. Can you imagine that little extra weight on the Left Front going in to the turns? Team owner Junior Johnson sure kept the NASCAR inspectors hopping and checking. Cagey ol' cuss!

[@craigparrish3582]

They had great motor man in Runt pitman too.

[@toyman81]

There will never be a better innovator then Smokey Yunick, such a Genius he was. That man could take the rule book into the gray area. and get away with so much.

[@brandoncreswell]

For sure the coolest, most interesting, and most fun thing about the sport. Real science, geometry, and physics

[@davidrice3337]

used to be - now they don't even shift - or if they do they hit a button

[@sergeantmasson3669]

Dale Sr was super fussy about the cheating crap. He always inspected every race car that he ever drove himself. Anything not right, it got fixed right or he'd refuse to drive it. Such was the case with the 1998 Daytona 500 car. Practice test runs, Dale Sr stated that the car wasn't right. His crew went through hell to make the car to meet Dale Sr's approval. End result, the car not only won but Sr stated that it was the best race car that he ever drove. I worked at Daytona, Darlington, and Talladega NASCAR tracks 1996-2006 as part of the security/safety teams. You'd be amazed at what goes on "behind the scenes" in NASCAR.

[@bandingo652]

_Here are my sentiments_ , I want my guys to be exploring & studying the grey area of the rule book. It's the law of the land I say & innovation is the name of the game. The conquest for speed is never ending & is always evolving. So much comes with it, The risk VS reward, Loss of sleep over wondering how to be the fastest.. The ultimate fear of failure & disappoinment. This is what compells one to explore & quietly exploit the grey area.

[@pj2cray]

Anyone know a references as for what year the 4 car had the tinted windows? its my favorite part of these cheating stories to go back and see those moments 😊

[@lastchild6153]

I’m not sure exactly when they had the tinted windows but they first won the Daytona 500 with that car in 1991 with Ernie Irvan as the driver so that might be a good race to look at first. Then they won the back to back Daytona 500s in 1994 and 1995 with Sterling Marlin as the driver for those 2 race’s. So that would be kind of interesting to see if they won those race’s with and without the tinted windows.

[@danstinson]

when i worked for Nascar pinty's series Glover was always there i would pick his brain, Glover is a very quiet legend been there done that

[@kirbysybert9066]

Karl Kinser was the best at this in the sprint car world he would be doing something to the back of the car and everyone would look at it meanwhile he had things on the front that ya didn't see 😂

[@northface484]

Like what...Totally different ball game...

[@Kumba9]

These are my favorite segments!!!

[@operatorsolidsnake2542]

Awesome love it!!!

[@C130Eolddude]

I just need me a “competitive advantage “ in iracing!

[@patrickharper9297]

Welcome to mo’s

[@monteconnor4713]

Surly you've seen the Bush Clash 1981 with senior as a color commentary

[@jefs726]

Today I catch Tony walking the pits looking as an official. lol.

[@bryonkidder6199]

The tinted window days were the best days...imolol No "honest" #4 Lumina plate-exhaust story about how they got that Indycar sound?

[@the_bencredible]

I think Stapleton has a video about it on his channel

[@slwsnowman4038]

@@the_bencredible Yes he does. And that's a good video.

[@the_bencredible]

@@slwsnowman4038 love his nascar history videos

[@63flight]

@Stapleton42 Mitch is putting in some quality work.

[@slwsnowman4038]

@@the_bencredible The good ole days! I'm effing old...🤣😢

[@brucechapman5553]

Kodak 4 car had those inverted headers at Daytona one year and I believe that wagon that particular race that year too!!!

[@keithtobin5369]

Dale thank you so much for this. And thank you for looking out for the little guy. And you know what I'm talking about. I helped out Ted Musgrave for 3 years. Go to Pace race Jack's and you'll see that I won the Jackman competition both time I was down there working. DK said I should come down to Denver North Carolina. And practice with the team and be the Jackman. All right I'm done with all this this but it's true Junior if you want to talk to me give me a buzz I got a few stories maybe you can put them in your program show whatever.

[@DavesWorld76]

We need an interview with the real deal Shane Hmiel!

[@chriswilgus4752]

Brilliance

[@moss8448]

interiors all shiny black, that's hilarious, no wonder they came up with a 'car of the future' deal

[@MrWrestling2]

That was great.

[@rkupiecjr]

If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying

[@scotthag1993]

The only time the fans call "cheating" is win its not their driver otherwise if it is their driver it's fine lol

[@fearandloathingmedia2051]

Nascar is cool again. I'm so happy.

[@davidrice3337]

it is?

[@ForrestGump1212]

NASCAR will never be cool again. it is boring af now. haha

[@keithtobin5369]

I got a story to tell you but I don't know if Tony wants me to tell you. Well I'm not going to give up the punchline but it's about a poker game that I was invited to attend. When I was working the race at Dover

[@davidwambolt946]

Were/are the drivers privy to these things when they are going on? Or is it kept amongst the fewest people possible on the team?

[@Tommy_Mac]

It's only cheating if it says you can't do it, specifically, in the rule book and you get caught.

[@jjlj7951]

We loose one qualifying lap if we do not pass tech pre qualifying

[@genepaniccia2435]

Great ! But what difference does 40 degrees to 50 degrees matter? They should let ya run what makes your car run well ! Too much nit picking. What would Smokey think ?

[@denniscoughlin7437]

I heard about guys putting BBs or mercury in the car fames to put more weight on the down side tires.

[@jackdonkey22]

Adding weight is normal. The BB thing was someone used them so they could empty them during the race and weigh less. Must have been during a time when they didnt weigh after the race.

[@gregpalmer3831]

Dale gets excited and happy about cheating. But it’s a problem that goodyear tires have too much grip and last too long. Interesting.

[@MayoFilms83]

Tony was the best when he was crew chief for Ernie Irvan #4 car

[@robertsklenka5823]

So so clever..I always like when someone measure intelligence via IQ.. i just hate that..the IQ tests that I’m familiar with basically measure just how much you like school..not real intelligence. It almost never match real life needs. Maybe if you plan on being a college professor ok that is about it. Being clever allows you to excel in life. These guys are at the top. One of my measures has been their success in other endeavors. My favorite is Bobby Allison working with GE to set the trans continental private airplane record. That takes out of the box thinking.

[@kainhall]

6:22 "every little thing adds up" . Ya... just like flipping the pistons Because of the wrist pin off-set . Uncle Tony's Garage got into a HUGE argument with computer chair mechanics over that one... . People saying it "might add a few HP, but not dozens" WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT TONY SAID . But internet people think every little trick should be worth 100 hp (because they see all these 1000hp car videos....so everything MUST be 1000HP these days....) . ya just can't spin the pistons around to gain ~5 to ~10hp....FOR FREE Because it MUST make 1000 wheel HP

[@RyTrapp0]

I honestly want to start a drag racing series where the entire point(besides 'just' winning the race of course) is to try to get illegal stuff past the inspections. No one gets suspended or banned or fined, you don't build up a 'record', if you get caught you either have the chance to fix it(if found before the race) or forfeit that race(gotta give competitors a tightrope to walk; the punishment isn't severe, but you gotta make it to the next round if you're going to get the money too). Just build your car to the rules except for where you think you can get away with breaking them! I want to see a cheating arms race, real innovation in cheating - and I'm pretty sure you would straight up have to be able to get away with cheating to win in such a series lol. Of course, since this wouldn't be an anti-cheating series, there would be bonus points and what not for "best discovered cheat of the week", you would certainly need one for "best assumed cheater", ya know things like that, have some fun with it. BTW, can you imagine like the final points race of the season? All hell would break loose, everyone pulling out ALL the stops to try to get them points lol(double points event for more chaos? I think so...). Let's bring back the glory days of cheating in motorsports!

[@Daisy-fw6cr]

I got ten bucks that says you were drinking that night too

[@rjkeenan8955]

Than it should be available on KZbin.

[@DewkChronic]

Sheet metal thats 1/8 fenders will crumple. Maybe go back to steel

[@Frog-wq9pk]

I helped paint small airplane bottom flat black so you couldn't see oil leaks

[@mikechurch2359]

See this is what made nascar what it was I bet when Jr is talking about the spoiler Tony's think dam I should have thought of that

[@DewkChronic]

Tony is awesome. I was Dale Earnhardt 100% but that #4 sounded weird

[@kylemarzion2814]

It was type of cross exhaust a designer from I think Missouri brought to Larry McClure to run for one year before before everyone else could run it , I think it was in 95. I know Gibbs brought it in the next year. Yeah that 4 was quiet running by it self especially big speed ways. Sterling always ran good to with runts engines

[@Dalenumba3]

Its not cheating it is innovation

[@rawganx9211]

It's called a protractor 🤣🤣🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@drewbeason8721]

Need to hire Brian Pattie for Josh Berry!!!

[@doric_historic]

Still the racing was better in them days, innovation rather than standardisation...

[@stevebeckerman2335]

If you arent cheatin, you arent tryin!

[@chuckwhitson654]

Not cheating. Pre-emptive rule book editorial

[@stephensmithsbarsmustangra4]

I loved NASCAR back when we had “innovators”. It was so much more interesting. Lol 😂

[@1400hpnextgen7]

Cheating like modifying the steering rack?

[@jonathanpaulk3635]

It's only illegal if you get caught

[@briancullen5183]

I don’t have an issue with Innovation but don’t whine about it when they catch you.

[@christopherenger1602]

I wish he would have given up what they did to Sterling cars....

[@jeffyaz8]

Where is his daughter now? She was gorgeous

[@ronaldodaniel-qp8qi]

Terry Simbeck

[@csnide6702]

If ya ain't cheatin' , you ain't tryin'........

[@nickmudd]

Man I wish I knew what kind of cheating goes on these days

[@marlongipson9101]

Ladies and gentlemen this is how we got to the point of being penalize for the smallest thing out of place in today's NASCAR

[@billcary30]

i wonder if nascar officials listen to these if i did and i was an official i'd be like all 4 of jr's cars they get a fine comb treatment in inspection. we don't check these every weekend? nope not your cars jr. we're going to find something eventually. and you will be the one we find because you just earned that right for all time with this video! i don't care who your daddy was i don't care how popular u think yoiu are. nope you get the real special treatment.

[@MJForever1999]

You must be a Toyota fan.... You lost Kyle, stop crying

[@WheelerRickRambles]

Our team pushes the rules…those other teams cheat.

[@rons1566]

A m a z i n g

[@timjohnson8725]

Anyone try ZuPoo?

[@josephvalentjr7677]

Why is it cheating .If there is no written law on it ,Or it’s overlooked shame on them