Mantis v3 VS Vision | Wing Foil review

Cabrinha just released their new 2023 wing range with a new version of the popular Mantis, and a brand new model, the Vision.
Today we are going over the difference to help you choose which one will be best for your style of riding. For more info, visit www.cabrinha.com
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[@michaln6035]

For Damien and those who have tried both: How would you compare the Vision with F-One CWC, specifically for beginners in light wind?

[@LiamProctor]

CWC for sure.

[@joeumana]

You guys rock. Thanks for taking the time to share all this information ℹ️

[@christophernortonbvi]

So rad to meet you dudes while filming this segment the other day! Thanks again for all the helpful tips you share. I’m still learning so they really do help. If you ever find yourselves in BC, hit me up and I’ll show you the local. Just don’t forget the 5mil 🥶

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

Chris it was awesome to meet you friend what a small world!

[@floridafoilers]

Thanks for the review and comments guys, nicely done 🙌 Bill offered to let us Melbourne guys try his Vision and I’m looking forward to it as he keeps raving about it.

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

Such a great wing! My new favorite!

[@HarryHansen]

Hey thanks for your videos! I just got the mantis V3, 7m. Just wondering if the wingspan is the same as the vision 7m? I keep hearing the vision is great for low wind, so why make a mantis 7m if vision is better in the bigger sizes? I guess my question is, who are the larger (6m/7m) mantis v3 for?

[@JakeKelsick]

Love the energy guys! New wings look awesome. Stoked to see Cabrinha pushing hard again 🤘🏻

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

Thanks Jake! 🙏🙌

[@SonnySwords]

Great video Damo, do you feel that the Mantis and Vision has the same power? If I was using a 3.5m in Mantis, would I use the 3.5m Vision also in that same wind condition?

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

Sonny been a while brother. Much love! Well I feel they are similar but sounds like Brodie rigs the same size Mantis or Vision for the same session. I feel you could do the same but the Vision being so easy you can rig bigger. My thoughts. This is a great watch for more info on your question. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnixoXmkmJd3ZpY

[@waynegaotmu5367]

Hi Gwen, Sorry to hear you are injured. You are an inspiration and I love your accent :-) Get well soon. Wayne from Taiwan

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

He was back on the water the other day so thank you!

[@foilfanatic]

I have been playing with the 8M for about a week. I wrote a review on Facebook and my take away was almost identical to your reactions. I flew the 8M in the lightest winds to date. I also tried it out for 3 hours and 30 miles in 20 to 30mph winds, and though I would not recommend it, it handled it without blowing out my forearms like most 8M would. In 10 to 14 mph, it was pulling my Link out of the water and on foil with no work at all. I will need to make some light wind video to stop the skepticism. At over 190lbs in full gear, nothing is putting me on foil in light winds like that 8M Vision. The 8M Vision is my favorite new toy😀🤙

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

Yea buddy! Great to hear and thank you for your feedback you rock!

[@FoilWays]

Very cool guys. That new wing looks great!

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

Its great really!

[@matthieucastaingts9882]

Hi! Do you know the span of the 8m vision ? Which wing for lightwind ,vision or mantis ? Thanks for your video !

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

Not sure we would have to measure one. Maybe reach out to www.cabrinha.com direct and ask they might be able to give you those specs. We would but do not have a 8m in our hands right now. They both will work for light winds. Vision comes in a 8m and a Mantis in a 7m in the larger sizes.

[@olek73]

Nice! Great colours! Which is more stable in wave riding?

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

We are about to go live with Brodie, the wing designer, tune in to ask questions: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnixoXmkmJd3ZpY

[@simonvictorsmith8730]

Hi, great infomative review! Very tempted to get the Vision but could you tell me how it behaves when flagged out?

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

Simon this will help a ton an interview we had with the designer! kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnixoXmkmJd3ZpY

[@simonvictorsmith8730]

@@DamienLeroyKZbin Hi, thanks so much for your reply, I just watched the interview which was super useful so thanks heaps!!

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

@@simonvictorsmith8730 Glad we could help! Have a great weekend!

[@avinashbikha]

the stoke and enthusiasm is dripping, drooling, radiating from this video 😄😄😄😄😄 !

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

They really are awesome!

[@a.n5414]

How does the 8m Vision compare to the North Loft Pro in 8m? Which one get you faster on the foil with less Wind?

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

We have not tested the North wing so we can't compare, but we do love the Vision! wingfoilprocenter.com/products/03s-vision?variant=45088412205360

[@ming00n]

I’ve used both ‘23 5m Mantis and Vision, this is a really good wrap up. Vision would be my pick if you want a more forgiving wing and you’re not into pumping. New handles are best on market ❤ I’ve ridden the Units and Slicks and these handles are awesome.

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

Thank you Derek!

[@Fuzel]

Hey ming00n, since you have ridden both. What is your opinio on Vision vs Unit 3 (23)? Which one would be better option for someone starting. Thank you

[@ming00n]

@@Fuzel I’d probably go the Vision. Pretty sure it’s lower aspect than the Unit and a softer feel. More forgiving pump too. I moved to the Slick SLS from the Unit because it was a bit too grunty and brutal in the gusts. Depends on your height and weight though, tall and heavy Mantis and Unit should work better

[@Fuzel]

​@@ming00nthank you! That's what i gathered from reading tests i found. I am 6.1 75kg, I will go Vision than for sure. Like the handles and windows a lot as well on the vision.

[@ming00n]

@@Fuzel nice, I’m getting a 2.5m Vision for the stronger days for a bit more comfort and range

[@OnePunchManu]

The new Wing looks beautiful🥰

[@tomwolf2173]

Hey guys, thanks for the review. I’m mixed on the Mantis V2 and wondering whether I should give them another shot or move brands. I needed to do warranty claims on 2 of 3 wings within 4 months (strut stitching and valve glue). I have a 2.5, 3.5 and 4.5. Love the smaller wings, but dislike the 4.5. The 2.5 and 3.5 are well balanced and handle gusts well. The 4.5 tends to dive (wing tip dips to the water) when hit with a gust and going up wind. If I move my hands much further back on the handles it handles better, but still annoyed it is different than the smaller wings. BTW, I wing a lot living on Maui and retired. When I mentioned to the Duotone testing crew what the 4.5 was doing they said they had prototype that did the same which they abandoned.

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

Tom, I would file a warranty if you have not already, I am sure you have and sometimes with any company there can be a delay on parts or replacements unfortunately. I believe the new wings are very very good but maybe being in Maui you can demo one of the new wings before hand so you 100% know it is the wing for you. That is the goal in the end to be enjoying this sport to the max.

[@tomwolf2173]

As a follow up. I have now done 4 warranty claims on my 3 wings. The front handles on the 2.5 and 3.5 broke. Apparently that was a huge problem with the v2s. Good thing they updated the handles on the new wings. I’ve never had sporting goods with so many durability problems. I guess the good thing is they have been good about fixing them.

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

@@tomwolf2173 Yea Tom unfortunately its part of a growing sport and not having years of prototyping as the sport is so new. In time all companies learn the weak points. Have a great weekend!

[@walmyrn]

@@DamienLeroyKZbin Hello everyone, everything good? I hope so. While we're on the subject of problems, what's your impression of the ripstop on the v3 wings? I noticed with previous versions of Mantis that the fabric lost its tenacity after just a few months of use. I purchased a v3 and will start using it. I live in Ceará, Brazil. What can I expect regarding the toughness of nano ripstop in the first and second year?

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

@@walmyrn Always a tough question friend! I feel that all wings will wear quite fast with wing foiling as its always wet and in the elements. Best bet is to do your best to keep it out of the sun when not using. From my understanding the changes from v2 to v3 was only New profile, handles, and windows, materials are the same.

[@matija3791]

Had the 8m Vision for the first time this week at probably less than 10knots. It was like flying without Wind xD.

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

Thank you for sharing.

[@christoph4333]

Thanks.. but just one point .. I think it would be good to describe more the differences .. Gwen said he will divide between the both .. ok .. good if you have both .. but if you have to choose one .. Most of us have to decide ....What is your personal option?..(just subjective)

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

We are about to go live with Brodie, the wing designer behind these two wings, tune in to ask questions: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnixoXmkmJd3ZpY

[@foilfanatic]

When I got my hands on the Vision, this was my first thought. If I have both, when would I decide to use each. The 8M vision is my first choice now for light winds. I assume the Apex Mantis 5 and 6M will be my choice when they hit the market for their respective wind ranges. It will be interesting to see which wing people chose on the Vision or Mantis.

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

@@foilfanatic Thank you friend!

[@lycokayaker]

which one is the go to recommendation for a beginner?

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

Both are great, but we like to use the Vision at our school: wingfoilprocenter.com/products/03s-vision?variant=45088412205360

[@lycokayaker]

@@DamienLeroyKZbin thank you!

[@wylankaochari9768]

Do you think a 2 meter mantis would be better for surfing swell or a 2 meter vision

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

Both work for sure, but we like the Mantis better for riding waves: wingfoilprocenter.com/products/03s-mantis?variant=45088408109360

[@franpinyol8500]

The Mantis has "heavy bar pressure" compared to other wings because it is less aerodinamic, I mean, the power vector is not pointing as forward than other wings with rigid canopy and "sail profile" . The Mantis (I have two of them) is more like a spinaker because is less tunned. I'd disagree that is a grunty wing (fast power generation in low winds) although it points upwind well because is very flat, it's great for surf because is low weight and low dihedral, etc.

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

Thank you Fran for your info!

[@dangross8810]

I started with the Mantis and it was really grunty and hard for beginners, it was really hard to go upwind and I felt my hands are about to rip off , my friend let me a ride on his F1 strike and I sold the Matis the day after and switch to F1

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

Thank you Dan for your feedback. You should have a go on the Vision! :)

[@carlossaez3586]

what Mantis! v1 V2 or v3? and what version strike v1 or V2? thanks.

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

@@carlossaez3586 V2 or V3 Mantis rock! The V3 handles are incredible......

[@moakymestel4433]

Which Wing is lighter in the same size???

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

Great question! We never weighed them but the vision feels lighter to the touch! This may help more: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnixoXmkmJd3ZpY

[@martinnovation1]

The cross wing doesn't come in a X4?

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

No, the cross wing has been discontinued, but give the new Vision a try, you won’t be disappointed!

[@christopheredens]

Other than being too heavy with the double strut, it was much easier to use than the Mantis. Easily beaten by the F-One Strike though.

[@philmindburst]

I ´m in vacation on Cabrinah site, i can try every one of then. The wind conditions are amazing. I m use to fly with Duotone, North, takuma. I m sorry but have you tried a really quality wing, I will never buy Cabrinah, handles are creapy , soft. The only one that is not so bad is the Vision 7m.

[@peterheirmanster]

The Vision doesn't have a compact shape - not really beginner friendly. No S bend strut makes it outdated already Wrinkles at the back edges of the strut in the canopy: rework required

[@christopheredens]

Yep. Why after trying both an X2 (5m) and Mantis v1 (4m) I finally went with the wildly more popular F-One Strike instead. Much better wind range, light but powerful, but never an out of control handful like the Mantis.

[@dengordo]

Cabrinha a year ago: - we don't want plastic here so soft handles only! Cabrinha now: - here is our brand new plastic handles.

[@petrsson]

Guys you could make this video really short if you would just say that Mantis is flat wing( more powerful) and Vision is V-profile wing(more forgiven with power)... Please,be more simple and helpful...😎🤙

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

Thank you for the information. We will do our best in the future to be better.

[@Igi1420]

didn't even ride them. wth

[@DamienLeroyYouTube]

🤔 we did ride them both and this is our personal feedback from our experience riding them