Cole about Dorian and his father | Dragon Age: Inquisition

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[@anevenbluerjay]

"He wishes he hadn't meant it" has got to be the most gut wrenching line in all of the party banter

[@dancingwiththefae6860]

It's so much different than "he wishes he hadn't SAID it", such a different meaning. It hurts

[@magiv4205]

That was just a stab in the gut with a hot poking iron. Not okay.

[@dankohdirect]

Oof. I have not seen this dialogue. 😭

[@luxitos2867]

This is why some parents don't deserve their children or forgiveness.

[@zonicay]

anyone else think cole would be the ultimate therapist ?

[@rhyolite_777]

+Manuel Sacha Boooooooo bad show >:-}o

[@scp--297]

Yes!

[@seby826]

i actually believe that Cole can Fix the world

[@firstcooommment3675]

zonicay I mean he's a bit of a psychopath depending on some of your choices...

[@-SaintUK-]

He's a spirit of compassion, he kinda is a therapist

[@thecreator6657]

Cole(my Son) and Dorian(The dad): *Having a therapy session in the background* My Male Mage Lavellan Inquisitor: *Fighting a god damn dragon*

[@JnEricsonx]

But you're a Knight-Mage, so it's ok?

[@IrisGlowingBlue]

At least you're giving them privacy

[@melodypope8231]

I'm consistently surprised by how much emotion Ramon Tikaram can put into his voice. Dammit Dorian

[@JnEricsonx]

Too bad he was on Game of Thrones for all of 2 scenes.

[@KoiYakultGreenTea]

@@JnEricsonx got his head chopped off 😂 and didn’t sound like Dorian at all

[@yana_v_v]

Doing emotion is one thing. Doing so much suppressed emotion - that's really amazing. And that's exactly what he did.

[@DruidBarbariansCampfire]

It seems to me that Cole is wise in the same way a child is wise: he hasn't been taught or told how things should be or how people should act, so he sees everything more or less objectively.

[@sandrols7]

well, as a spirit, he doesn't suffer from other emotions, like envy or, in Dorian's case, pride. He sees just compassion and cruelty. The world is, strangely much more black-white to him, that to the others. He's simple, though not one-dimensional.

[@gendoruwo6322]

being pure spirit, Cole's perceptions are as clear as a mirror. he may not understand. but he'll never lie.

[@violetraven8323]

The Druid Barbarian That...makes a lot of sense, it’s widened my perspective a lot- thank you.

[@jeanetten.s.8557]

The complex wisdom of a child.... Simple, easy, untainted.... Like a clear window without the blemishes most of our windows have that comes with growing up. It's crystal clear but naive....

[@nekolord5675]

@@jeanetten.s.8557 and it hurts those around it

[@AskForDoodles]

"You let it keep hurting, because you think hurting is who you are..." Pretty spot on observation, and tbh a little too close to home; it's so easy to define ourselves by our pain. Dorian's been in pain for so long that he is AFRAID to heal, because what if there's nothing else left?

[@rich1051414]

Eventually people will just settle with what they are. They find comfort in it as it's what they know, and they have survived with who they are so far. Change may very well be a change for the worse. It's easier that way.

[@gzapray7203]

Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.

[@leedraconis5793]

He wishes he hadn't.. Meant it? Oh god now I just want to hug Dorian until he can't breath oh my god

[@wolfsonic9908]

Dorian's voice actor is the perfect person for him. The pain I hear in Dorian's hits me so hard! It's so grief stricken, and it doesn't even sound like it's being acted out.

[@JnEricsonx]

And then you realize he was in Game of Thrones for 2 scenes and didn't know it, and also that Vivienne was in GOT as well.

[@SerpentVX]

"Can someone tell him to stop?!" Inquisitor: No this is good for you.

[@gzapray7203]

That depends.

[@mattyice9535]

"His face in the stands, watching as I pass the test. So proud, there's tears in his eyes. Anything to make him happy. Anything." He doesn't just love his dad. He idolized him. He wanted to be him. And his father betrayed that. Heart shattering.

[@P9u9r6p2l4e]

The part that breaks me is when immediately after that, cole asks “why isn’t that true anymore?” And then it pushes dorian to the brink of tears

[@luizpaulonm]

"Why would you do that?" I think it is so beautiful that Cole cares so much about Dorian and he sees how wonderful Dorian is, but he cannot comprehend how someone so kind as Dorian would let pain define himself. I love this banter, and it makes me tear up, because it hits close to home. I absolutely love those 2. This cast is just so strong.

[@Zenkx]

Every time I hear this banter, I just want to hug the heck out of Cole and Dorian.

[@helpthemage4347]

"..can someone tell him to stop?! Banish him back to the fade or something" xD

[@scp--297]

HelptheMage XD

[@cxsmicking17]

He sounds like he’s about to cry when he says it :(

[@gzapray7203]

Sounds like he's pleading. I don't think it's a laughing matter.

[@seraphinaedan1033]

“He wishes he hadn’t meant it” is such a good line

[@JMARTR01]

It would hurt a lot having a Cole around but sometimes you need someone to see through you and understand how you feel but from an outer perspective and without you having to say a thing... but it would also be very annoying no being capable of hiding your deepest thoughts and feelings to him and his propension to say it all out loud...

[@scp--297]

True.

[@jeanetten.s.8557]

The complex wisdom of a child.... Simple, easy, untainted.... Like a clear window without the blemishes most of our windows have that comes with growing up. It's crystal clear but some would say naive.... Honestly I'd like to have Cole around in my life, I'm constantly introspective with myself but being able to discuss it with someone makes it easier. Cole's views might be simple but sometimes simplifying things can help

[@nekolord5675]

Hahaha do you know how much it hurts? A well intentioned child who speaks only the truth. The reflection it casts on a tilted mirror is dark and daft

[@freewolf317]

It is moments like these where I wish we could have just thrown Celene, Gaspard and Florianne into a completely room during Wicked Hearts with Cole and let him go at it for a few hours. Random Noble: I haven't seen the Empress recently, or the Duke or Duchess for that matter. Random Noble 2: Well, these are supposed to be peace talks. They are probably just busy... --------- *several hours later* The three of them are curled up on the floor crying while Cole just stands there smiling. It hurt, pulling at the threads hurt, but like pulling an arrow out of a wound, it was the only way to help the hurt, to let it heal.

[@gendoruwo6322]

this is so very funny. :D

[@VenhedisKaffas]

Just...put every single person of dragon age that is somewhat human and has issues in a room with Cole. Celene, Gaspard, Florianne, Solas, Anders, Fenris, Carver, Leliana just all of them. And then let Cole talk to them. Instant fix. Cole is too precious.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

Boring...

[@gzapray7203]

That depends. Therapy is not a magic fix. It will take time. Even more time if said person is not ready to proceed.

[@nailed999]

He wishes he hadent meant it. OUCH

[@alexsond3015]

"He wishes he hadn't meant it" MEANT... FFS.

[@ThePandemic101]

+Alex Sond Yeah... "meant" is a word. Well done.

[@Gangerworld]

Not "He wishes he hadn't said it" but "He wishes he hadn't meant it". A difference with a lot of meaning. Quite sad. ...wait, or is Cole talking about Dorian wishing it, or Dorian's father...?

[@pieniaurinko]

I always assumed he meant Dorians father, but now that you say it... we don't really know who the 'he' is in this case.

[@simranwhitham3075]

pieniaurinko I believe that the ''he'' in this case might be either a former lover that Dorian may have deeply cared for or might just actually be his farther.

[@Pale0Enchantress]

That caught me too, though I felt it was rather unambiguous. The Father was angry over something he understands now was wrong to be so angry about. He was putting his image and expectations before his son in a very bad way. The father is repentant for more then his actions alone, he's ashamed of himself for feeling that way in the first place. It is in the past tense "hadn't meant" instead of "doesn't mean" so through Cole we know the father is very sincere about just wanting his son to be his son again rather then being motivated by something like getting his scion back to Tevinter. - For the conversation Cole had been using "He" for the father and "You" for Dorian so I feel it's pretty consistent about who the "He" is. This game had a fantastic script.

[@LiveLXStudios]

Cole can’t read his father’s mind, no? Not unless he was closer

[@Darkenglish80]

@@LiveLXStudios Going off other things Cole said to the Iron Bull, he can read people not near him if their pain is intertwined with the person he's trying to help. The Iron Bull said something about how Cole never knew his tamassran, so Cole shouldn't be able to know what she was thinking, but Cole said something like "Your pain touches hers". I'd imagine it's like pulling on a knot: if you pull on one string, then the connecting strings are affected as well.

[@frostrose8222]

Why did this video have to make me start thinking about my own family?! Curling into a ball and crying my eyes out was not in my evening plans.

[@Zenkx]

BTW, it's probably just me, but the angle on Cole's face makes it look like he has a permanently adorable smirk... Kinda like Margaery Tyrell from GoT O_O

[@IrisGlowingBlue]

Cole: [goes directly for the jugular but in a genuinely-meaning-well way (*unless he kills you)]

[@jcksparrowfan]

well time to hop back onto my dorianmance and show him how much i love him :( god this banter collection always makes me hurt for dorian

[@Neha98]

I love how kind dorain is throughout this

[@georgerobins4110]

Sometimes I wish I had a Cole in real life... but at the same time I would probably hate it

[@nekolord5675]

As a cole who grew up in a twisted world. I can say with the experience of every person I have ever met. Yes you would hate it.

[@fizzplease6742]

Is it just me or does the banter in DAI fire off way less than DA2? So many things I find here that I never heard in game.

[@Magpie5yndrome]

It's a bug. There's one apparent fix for this that I saw somewhere. Uhm... what was it again...? Something about quests not completing in the list in the way they should. I think it was... go through journal entries of completed quests and click on the ones that are still highlighted. Once none are highlighted anymore, you should get the usual pop-ups saying that the quests are completed. That will complete the quests officially and the banter should start firing off as normal again since a lot of the banter is reliant on the story progression. And then do upkeep as needed, I suppose. This was a while ago and I haven't played it for months, but I think I remember it working for me.

[@Floofffy.]

Apparently there is a timer and when that timer reaches 0, it may or may not trigger a banter. Stuff like fast travelling reset the timer. I for myself installed that cheat engine thing so I can just trigger the banter myself whenever I feel like it.

[@simranwhitham3075]

I'm having trouble triggering Dorian and Cole banter the only banter I have ever got is the one where Dorian talks to Cole about the Winter Palace.

[@ndbd9drn]

Try Cheat Engine!

[@isbammoi3358]

Rina R. N. What is it? A mod? Can you tell me how? ♡

[@megasauruss]

I got all of this dialogue during the Jaws of Hakkon DLC.

[@kitsu1379]

I love Cole and Dorian, they are my two favourite companions in this game, but I especially love their interactions with one another, Dorian, despite his bravado, acts as something like an older brother would with their autistic younger siblings, he tries to explain things and let Cole ask the questions, acting in good humour most of the time but he knows when he needs to be firm and tell Cole not to question something and Cole just wants to understand and help but doesn't always get that in trying to do that he could be opening up old wounds that didn't heal properly the first time or that he can just be a bit much for some people who aren't use to the way he is.

[@madzod0076]

i remember my jaw almost dropping when dorian confronted his father about trying to use blood magic to change. As a guy with a gay uncle and sister ,it really struck me personally. My parents are totally cool and have no problem with my sis being who she is so the idea that they might try something nasty to change her into someone she wasnt was just uugh.

[@thunder-inactive-account5102]

THIS HURTS ME TOO OMG

[@azadalamiq]

did they intend for dorian to look like freddy mercury? nothing against it... just its too close to not notice.

[@JnEricsonx]

Well, they're both epic.

[@Toad159]

I wouldn't be surprised if he was an inspiration

[@bruhbroham8760]

"rockstar mage" was their initial prompt

[@conni9943]

I got really choked up with this :,( poor dory

[@jcksparrowfan]

Some say he'd make a good therapist but I'd say 90% of his dialogue is more akin to psychological torture, and harms rather than helps. He doesn't mean to, of course, but like a child, he doesn't understand.

[@coltonwilliams4153]

Which is why I say that he needs to spend a couple years interacting with people before he can be a good therapist. Of course, in cases like this, hurting Dorian like he is helps Dorian more. It’s like resetting a bone that healed wrong. Sometimes, you have to start by breaking it again.

[@johnwhittington2998]

Sometimes you need to break a bone to set it back into place

[@disableddragonborn]

I mean, therapy hurts. It's supposed to. You can't heal from the past without rinsing out the wound and stitching it.

[@gzapray7203]

@@disableddragonborn Therapy can be hurtful. But Cole seems to press on even if someone pleads him to stop, which is borderline psychological torture. You can say that because you aren't being under his scrutiny.

[@disableddragonborn]

@@gzapray7203 I suppose. I guess I just had the "pain gets worse before it gets better" mentality when I commented that. Removing the source of the infection (in Cole's case emotional pain) often hurts worse than the symptoms of the actual disease/infection, but the result is feeling better. I was not in a great place when I commented that.

[@kamukura-izuru]

Oh, my dear... this is so touching! :'-(

[@secondrateseth8360]

thanks for uploading this, it never came up in game for me, and it's a testament to how well dorian is written imo. it also broke my heart but that's a side effect, haha...

[@arcanegamer2723]

if only they added a line for Dorian after where he said "we both do" that would have destroyed me

[@featherflight8446]

Actually, I think the fact that it goes unspoken makes it more powerful because Dorian’s trying to keep himself from getting too emotional. We know he’s thinking it, but he can’t actually say it without breaking down into tears.

[@justsomebread8646]

Cole and Dorian are just a wonderful duo. They both had such… such bad pasts and they bounce off one another so well too

[@Excaliwolf2]

I like how Cole's portrayal of healing isn't always clean, like to heal a wound and prevent it from festering. You have to spill a bit of blood and cut away the rot underneath. To unwind a tight bind will bruise the thing within.

[@colasupernova2196]

Cole is just so good He’s the best

[@Vesperitis]

"You let it keep hurting, because you think hurting is who you are. Why would you do that?" Because it's like a broken bone. You can mend and heal, but the break still exists deep inside you, as a part of you. Like a broken bone, you can't remove it or cast it aside. The parts that aren't broken are still needed to keep you functioning. Sometimes, if you heal properly or heal enough, it won't bother you that much. Other times, often times, you learn to live with the pain in whatever way you can.

[@bat32391]

This is some good fucking writing, goddamn

[@Neko141212]

Love Dorian and Cole banter. Solas is always trying to maintain Cole's role as a spirit, and Varric is trying to pull Cole towards humanity. The other party memebers all seem different degrees of scared or stand off-ish around him - at least in the beginning. Meanwhile, it feels like Dorian is just curious about Cole. He doesn't seem to push Cole towards one or the other state of being and just finds him fascinating - even if Cole says some stuff that tears at old wounds sometimes

[@GwynethFaeleneThatOneWierdo]

Dorian my poor baby boy no no no ;;;-;;;

[@demianoff]

Jesus... My heart

[@RedHoodFH]

Bringing Cole along always leads to some great party banter

[@Foxingg]

This legit almost made me cry. For all their faults I love how... *Real* Bioware made Dorian's story. Incredibly relatable for me.

[@gzapray7203]

This is one of the banters that left me in tears.

[@katerinaFM]

In one of those banters the inquisitor can interrupt with a couple of dialogue options. Is there a vid with them? I couldn't decide which dialogue option to pick and it autocompleted without me picking one.

[@MortSalazar]

Oooof It's not "He wishes he hadn't said it" It's "He wishes he hadn't meant it" That's a critical hit

[@JuneShepardN7]

Petition to feed Halward “Piece of Shit” Pavus to the giant fade spider

[@cyanAstrologist]

ow my HEA R T thats not okay

[@morsalo123]

That armor Dorian wears, what is it called?

[@LynnMoth]

My party is always Cole, Dorian and Bull

[@alexandrebubbles]

I feel like cole is speaking TO me

[@juanlaise1059]

Dorian is one of the best DA characters.

[@disableddragonborn]

I just encountered dialogue I've never seen before. In Crestwood, Cole told The Iron Bull that women wanted Bull to take their clothes off. 😂

[@LydiaTereK]

aw man I didn't need my heart tonight anyway

[@DraculaCronqvist]

"He wishes he hadn't meant it." - Meaning he did mean it and that SOB does not deserve any redemption.

[@celestialanimechika]

You can say things in anger that you mean at the time but regret later

[@cryptidtwink7952]

You know, I went through a similar thing with my father. I'm gay. He didn't agree. Words were said. Horrible words like "you're not my son." And "I should've aborted you." Years passed. He found god, and stopped drinking. He got better. He called me one day looking to apologize. You know what I did? I forgave him. You know why? Because that's what adults do. Sometimes, people change, and you forgive them.

[@cryptidtwink7952]

@JoJo is not an anime I'm a Christian, my dude. But nice attempt.

[@cryptidtwink7952]

@Elizaveta Z Honey, first. Calm down. I forgave him. Not everyone has to automatically forgive. But you seem like a very angry and very rude person. You have no reason or right to call my spreading of positivity toxic. I think you need to follow that so called "toxic mindset" more and mature some. Let go of whatever anger you have and don't attack random strangers.

[@cryptidtwink7952]

@Elizaveta Z if you want to hold onto hatred and bitterness all your life, go ahead. But it'll ruin you.

[@salahad-din9168]

I'm interested to see what happens to cole in the next game. I want my spirit child to be safe but what are the implications of that?

[@arcanegamer2723]

Depends is he bound with The elvhan amulet or human

[@SeventhheavenDK]

I really hope he doesn't appear in the next game. He annoys me.

[@ChenMakesVids]

They always stand at the same spot.... you have a way to trigger party banter? please tell me how!

[@missdarkknight3059]

Just to be sure Dorian's father wanted to use blood magic to force Dorian into marriage with a girl. I was kind of having a hard time understanding what blood magic was. Can someone please give me a better explanation 😅 ik Tivinters are very traditional. They have to get married and have a hair to the family to make the perfect mage and to become the perfect *leader. (Which is called the *Magastirum correct?) So basically being gay in Tevinter was basically looked down on. It wasn't really acceptable beacause family's in Tivinter wanted to become important people for their government which it the Magastirum correct? If anyone has an explanation please do tell me. I kinda have a hard time following along at times. 😅 ik in Trespasser, Dorian was talking about leaving back to Tivinter to become part of the Magastirum because his father got killed and so that makes Dorian the hair of his family to become part of the Magastirum. Idk if the Magastirum is considered one person or a group of people from noble families in Tivinter.

[@onyxrose4349]

In Tevinter they care about the appearance over all else. "There is no blood magic in Tevinter", but if you want to get ahead as a Mage, you perform Blood Magic. Nobility, both in reality and in Dragon Age, need heirs to continue the family line(Alastair's story in Origins is founded around that kind of stuff as well). In Tevinter, a noble can't be gay because being gay doesn't produce children, doesn't produce heirs. Dorian refused to pretend to be straight and marry a woman and produce heirs, keeping his true feelings hidden. His father eventually attempted to use Blood Magic to force the issue. Blood Magic can be used to control other people(one of the main abilities in Origin's Blood Mage specialization was about puppeting an enemy). Dorian found out and their relationship crumbled into dust. Dorian's father dies just before the start of Trespasser, so Dorian will now be a Magister, able to change how the country works. The Magisterium is basically like the UK's House of Lords they advise the king, or in Tevinter's case the Archon, but they also deal more in day-to-day affairs like, say, a senate or the like. Hope that helps.

[@flamingcroatan3739]

Oh cole

[@Darkanimeninjagirl]

How do you get this angle?

[@giannis_tar]

They party banter is lip-synced (apart from excellently voice-acted) ??? :O Holy shit the attention to detail...

[@matthewpieterrice2854]

Does anyone want Cole romance? In that game?

[@cryptidtwink7952]

Nope. Cole's more childlike in mannerisms. It would be out of place. And hes technically dead with someone else's face.

[@SeventhheavenDK]

No

[@xX_Moonluster_Xx]

My heaaaaart.

[@nekolord5675]

I'm a cole and I grew up in a twisted world. My well intentions only hurt and I let it pollute me into a fear demon. I still like tasting it. Looking at someones worst fears and using a few words to have them come undone. It's fun to watch

[@nekolord5675]

Is there a chance for redemption? I always wondered if I made the right choice when I told Dorian to abandon his father. And I meant it. But his father dies later and I don't want that to be the last time they talk. But will he hurt Dorian? Dorian thinks the hurting is who he is now, should I take away his chance to hurt and to have more memories with his father? Is there a way to get out of it with out feeling ...empty? Kill his father myself and give him a reason to hate

[@gv1955]

This is why I don't like Cole. Not that its his fault, but he is not meant for this reality.