Add FSR to RDR2! Lossless Scaling tested VS Internal Resolution Scaling | RX 6800 XT 4K

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Daniel Owen

Daniel Owen

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@snortymcgout
@snortymcgout 3 жыл бұрын
You really do sound like a teacher. I can already imagine you doing proofs and explaining why the formula can be used lol
@ClosestNearUtopia
@ClosestNearUtopia 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure if this is a compliment or not…
@anuvette
@anuvette 2 жыл бұрын
@@ClosestNearUtopia why not? Teaching is a noble profession
@personderpsom1967
@personderpsom1967 2 жыл бұрын
he is a math teacher
@James-wd9ib
@James-wd9ib 2 жыл бұрын
Guys with low-spec GPUs, hear this: If you try to use Lossless Upscaling on resolutions lower than 720p, it will still look pretty shitty because the algorithm doesn't have much to go on. The most you can hope for is somewhat a cell-shaded feel with more sharpness around object edges, but that's about it.
@Dankuzmeemusmaximus
@Dankuzmeemusmaximus 3 жыл бұрын
Tried lossless scaling on xcom 2 using my 3080 and went from 40 50 ish at 4k to around 70 something on 1440p it looked great it seems to work better recently
@ZinoNassib
@ZinoNassib 2 жыл бұрын
use dlss instead
@Dankuzmeemusmaximus
@Dankuzmeemusmaximus 2 жыл бұрын
@@ZinoNassib Cant on xcom 2 as it doesnt have dlss
@dwaynethemineraljohnson412
@dwaynethemineraljohnson412 2 жыл бұрын
@@ZinoNassib dlss doesn't look great in rdr2 it atifacts a lot with trees and electricity lines and there are a lot trees in rdr2
@B3lph3g0r
@B3lph3g0r Жыл бұрын
damn 3080 not even good enough for the game, i have 1660s and can barely run it on like 60fps what kind of gpu is needed to run a game like this like damn ☠☠ i thought 3080 was a high end card
@YKXZWX
@YKXZWX 11 ай бұрын
So you used a 2k gpu to play in 4k....interesting lol
@lupusprobitas
@lupusprobitas 3 жыл бұрын
If you used the game's internal scaler and then in GPU setting activated a bit of extra image sharpening for the game it will probably be a very close run. That's how I game. Depending on what game, I run in 1440p or 1800p/the corresponding resolution scale for games with the option, and then use extra image sharpening to offset the blurriness. It's what makes it possible to play on my 4k TV with a GTX 1080 card... at least without it feeling like I need glasses. ;-)
@blugrave4345
@blugrave4345 Жыл бұрын
how much sharpening on 1440p do you recommend to get that 4k crispness?
@B3lph3g0r
@B3lph3g0r Жыл бұрын
@@blugrave4345 did you find out?
@theonerm2
@theonerm2 3 жыл бұрын
I tried this FSR implementation and at first I couldn't tell a difference. I thought maybe there were less stair stepping effects going on but I just couldn't say for sure. And I thought I had the sharpness at max. It was sitting at 2. Then I saw one of these videos and I realized aha! It's 0 that I'm looking for. AND WOW! Now I can really see a difference. Personally I think with the sharpness at 0 it looks crisper than regular 4K at 1440p. That's huge for me! And at 1080p with the sharpness up that far it looks a bit better than regular 1440p. That means I can play at 1080p now and it won't look that bad to me anymore. That means I can probably hold off on upgrading for another generation if I want to. Now some people might think 0 is too sharp. I really love it at 0 though. I'm going to make a video on this showing side by side comparisons and zoomed in screenshots. With the sharpness up you can see details you couldn't see before at lower resolutions. Also I have an Nvidia card. So I'm going to show off Cyberpunk 2077 running with DLSS and FSR at once. I know some people are interested in that.
@viktorzeman5202
@viktorzeman5202 3 жыл бұрын
No, it really doesn't look a bit better at 1080p with FSR and sharpness maxed out than regular 1440p. At 1080p with sharpness maxed out the details gets pixelated as they are too sharp. It's not so clear anymore.
@thomasrossi1612
@thomasrossi1612 3 жыл бұрын
FSR is good, I hope it will be added in many games. I often use resolution scale (80%) + Radeon Image Sharpening (or in-game sharpening).
@Hybred
@Hybred 3 жыл бұрын
FSR Ultra Quality is 75% resolution scaling for a more apples to apples comparison but that is always a good method what you are doing, I recommend it
@krizby87
@krizby87 3 жыл бұрын
Resolution Scale + RIS is better than FSR most of the time, no need to bother LOL. FSR will always introduce noticeable ringing artifacts, which people who play around with sharpening can always tell.
@Hybred
@Hybred 3 жыл бұрын
@@krizby87 RIS + resolution scale isn't better
@krizby87
@krizby87 3 жыл бұрын
@@Hybred it's better in the sense that the game doesn't look oversharpened because you can adjust RIS. Oversharpened is just as bad as overly blurry, so in the end you just destroy image quality with FSR.
@TreyMotes
@TreyMotes 3 жыл бұрын
@@krizby87 You can literally adjust the sharpening here as well...
@gamesntech4827
@gamesntech4827 3 жыл бұрын
Was just thinking about installing RDR2.... Very interesting! TY❤️
@BUDA20
@BUDA20 3 жыл бұрын
just scale + sharpen in this case, also Lossless Scaler has FSR Little, that is super fast, and still looks better that just scale, try it (but with more sharpen like 0.2)
@wesdsomething
@wesdsomething Жыл бұрын
For low spec gaming this is a life saver - just managed to upscale Horizon with going from 1080 very low to 720 upscaled to 1080 on medium with more fps as well. I don't need it in the Spiderman games as the native scaler is doing a great job, but where scaling is poorly implemented, the little yellow duck will do miracles
@hrayz
@hrayz 3 жыл бұрын
When just using lower renderscale in a game (not FSR) - then use the Sharpening setting in the AMD Software.
@lifeisbeautiful7361
@lifeisbeautiful7361 2 жыл бұрын
Sharpening looks awful
@yissnakklives8866
@yissnakklives8866 3 жыл бұрын
I found that if you use the keyboard shortcut for Lossless Scaling when in full screen mode it will run a sharpening pass on native that looked better in the few games I dinked with than before (CTRL+ALT+S is the default)
@VargVikernes1488
@VargVikernes1488 3 жыл бұрын
You can do that through AMD or Nvidia driver, already.
@ravin6771
@ravin6771 3 жыл бұрын
@@VargVikernes1488 lossless scaling helps people with amd or legacy gpus which can't run nvidia sharpening or are too weak for fsr upscaling and use fsr lite instead. It adds more latency though, so I would recommend using native if it's available to you.
@happytrails1963
@happytrails1963 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe have the good point about sharpen in adrenalins. Only the 1440p monitors here. About 101fps avg without scaling and settings turned up a little bit over the hardware unboxed. RDR2 such the masterpiece.
@progressivemusic786
@progressivemusic786 3 жыл бұрын
i am sure in next 6 months you gonna have nearly 500k subscribers if you keep going on this way
@chickennoodle6620
@chickennoodle6620 2 жыл бұрын
There’s now a mod that adds FSR 2.0 to RDR2, so interested to see if you can get it working on your PC and how it compares.
@T3nyys0n
@T3nyys0n Жыл бұрын
Do u know how to do it?
@Rayer24
@Rayer24 Жыл бұрын
​@@T3nyys0n FSR 2.0 was officially added a while ago. But 2.1 still isn't. Anyway I play at 1440p and even 2.0 doesn't look good imo. Some weird flickering when moving around and all around it doesn't look great. Maybe at 4K better results?
@charleyweinhardt
@charleyweinhardt 2 жыл бұрын
if you bumb up the sharpness on your monitor or tv when you apply dlss and fsr it looks absolutely native! 👍 Try it! your able to go way higher than usual without getting crappy pixel haloing...
@penumbrum3135
@penumbrum3135 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of the few games I personally wouldn't bother going above 60FPS.
@Rayer24
@Rayer24 Жыл бұрын
I prefer 70-90fps in this game tbh. 60fps just feels a tad bit too slugish for me.
@ShanyeSoT
@ShanyeSoT 11 ай бұрын
@@Rayer24same. I have a hard time playing ANY game under 120-90. It’s also nice because a higher frame rate means less instances of 1% low being a noticeable stutter.
@Lionheartx675
@Lionheartx675 3 жыл бұрын
DO you're the man! Thanks for doing this RDR2 showcase.
@Thugnthug
@Thugnthug 6 ай бұрын
This resolution scale is the most huge fps killer but it’s transform totally the game
@Seecked
@Seecked 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! This was super helpful
@TerraWare
@TerraWare 3 жыл бұрын
It looks like many newer games are getting FSR which is nice. Deathloop has it, COD Vanguard is supposed to have it, Farcry 6 and this new indie non combat cyberpunk CRPG Gamedec I picked up the other day has it.
@danielowentech
@danielowentech 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think it is quickly becoming the norm.
@kishaloyb.7937
@kishaloyb.7937 3 жыл бұрын
Just so you know, FSR in Deathloop is not working as intended. The game only downscales the image when FSR is turned on, but never upscales the image using FSR. FSR is broken in Deathloop.
@TerraWare
@TerraWare 3 жыл бұрын
@@kishaloyb.7937 Yeah I heard something like that. Sounds like many things arent working as intended on Deathloop pc.
@johnvolt2411
@johnvolt2411 3 жыл бұрын
great video my dude
@vinnreaper7984
@vinnreaper7984 3 жыл бұрын
I’m not saying test for me, but test for yourself supersampling. For example (1.2) of 1440p. It’s only 20% better resolution of 1440p but you might find that this enhancing is also simple and reaps quality gains easily. What your noticing could be caught with like 200-300% zoom. It’s like there’s not much difference but there is. This approach of saying resolution scale of 85% of 4K isn’t a bad one, but another possible example would 1440p no dlss/fsr vs say 4K with say degraded visuals. I just got a Nitro+ 6900XT and i still have a RTX 3090. The 85% resolution scale, SAPPHIRE has their own tool that will do this on any game. After looking into it I really loved the 85% of the 1440p. Especially for competitive. Because between 1080p and 1440p they both still look great, so lots of people want the performance that’s found here. It’s a great boost considering you’d get one card over another card for that 1 tier boost of 5-10FPS.
@HuntaKiller91
@HuntaKiller91 3 жыл бұрын
If i play on my 4ktv i would play on my xbox series controller and cap the fps to 60 Doesnt need any sync Lossless scaling would help a lot
@malazan6004
@malazan6004 3 жыл бұрын
Yes just use Rivatuner to cap fps to 60 if the game doesn't have a fps cap in menu
@Hybred
@Hybred 3 жыл бұрын
I'm trying to answer some questions of yours but they seem to get caught in the spam filter, odd. But you can disable the sharpness by putting the value at 2 if you want to see if that's all FSR does is add sharpening. It preserves edge detail so FSR will always have better aliasing than a non-FSRed image but besides that, not much else is different
@danielowentech
@danielowentech 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I could tell the edge detail is better. That's what I was trying to express when I said that even though fsr was scaling from a lower resolution it didn't look as obviously upscaled as the internal scaler in the game which left more obvious aliasing.
@michahojwa8132
@michahojwa8132 3 жыл бұрын
cool. maybe try both taa and fsr in the same time
@chexmixkitty
@chexmixkitty 3 жыл бұрын
When I tried using LS, it just puts black borders all around the game window and not sure how to change it Edit: NM, I noticed that you had it set to windowed borderless and switched it to that. Works great!
@chikedonaldibewuike4867
@chikedonaldibewuike4867 3 жыл бұрын
I have a similar problem... It just seems to add black bars around my games. I'd try windowed borderless and give feedback when I'm gaming next. Might help someone else.
@anthonyrizzo9043
@anthonyrizzo9043 3 жыл бұрын
So since theres overhead with the scaler, why not make the game run at a res betweek 4k and 1800p so that u would get the same performance as from the overhead with the scaler, but have more pixals? Wouldnt that look better? If the overhead wasnt there id say fine, fsr is better, but maybe not with the app overhead
@patrickleeastarjohnson2918
@patrickleeastarjohnson2918 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, Mr. Owens i am wondering in the future is an OLED worth it? I want a 27 inch one and does it work better with HDR than a LED pannel with full array local dimming?
@danielowentech
@danielowentech 3 жыл бұрын
I think LED can currently go brighter but OLED looks better overall and avoids the halo glow from the FALD backlight although I admit I haven't personally used the most expensive FALD monitors. The main downside to OLED is the burn in potential and the fact that it isn't widely available in different sizes and resolutions yet.
@patrickleeastarjohnson2918
@patrickleeastarjohnson2918 3 жыл бұрын
@@danielowentech so the brighter the display the more vivid the colors, would your OLED compare with a Samsung Odyssey G7 in contrast?
@danielowentech
@danielowentech 3 жыл бұрын
Brightness does not necessarily mean better colors. It just means it outputs more light. I havent compared to a G7. But I can say I vastly prefer the OLED image to any display I have ever tried.
@Neeraj-_-_-6969
@Neeraj-_-_-6969 3 жыл бұрын
if your budget is high you should consider Asus pg32uqx its a mini led 4k 144hz display and is brighter than OLED and led and has accurate colours and covers a wide gamut of colours and the contrast is just as good as OLED and the blacks are very deep just like oled and it can sustain 1000-1200 nits of brightness and is its peak brightness is 1600 nits
@patrickleeastarjohnson2918
@patrickleeastarjohnson2918 3 жыл бұрын
@@Neeraj-_-_-6969 alright thanks dude definitely will try, it'll be my first expensive monitor
@pino_de_vogel
@pino_de_vogel 3 жыл бұрын
Does not have to be more overhead it can just be the windowed mode that is worse. windowed mode has always given worse fps. And i wonder why amd doesn't just implement this in the drivers so it works in full screen. to me windowed is NEVERT a accaptable option. There is always more latency and other stutter crap happening. And you can alwys do a manual sharpening pass. FSR without sharpening would look the same i think.
@danielowentech
@danielowentech 3 жыл бұрын
I was running all tests in windowed borderless including the ones without fsr
@Gindi4711
@Gindi4711 3 жыл бұрын
A driver level FSR implementation would make sense as fallback for games that do not support it. About borderless window: Did you test input lag as a few years ago input lag on borderless window was about 30ms higher. I dont know if this is already fixed.
@danielowentech
@danielowentech 3 жыл бұрын
I dont have proper testing equipment for input latency. I might care if it was a competitive multi-player game, but for single player stuff I honestly can't actually feel or notice any difference.
@pino_de_vogel
@pino_de_vogel 3 жыл бұрын
@@danielowentech on your previous video (cp 2077) you showed the windowed vs fullscreen fgps and there was a 5 fps difference on 40 FPS already from going to windowed. thats part of the price you pay by going to windowed which may seem it is overhead but it's just because it is run windowed and not full screen. i just tested BF5 and that costs me 34 fps (@ 180 fps) when i go windowed. Hope the dev can get it to work with fullscreen withsome other way to select or something as the results and experience would be way better.
@CosmosBinario
@CosmosBinario 8 ай бұрын
a mi lo que me hace es cambiarme la resolución del juego..... cuando intento bajarsela para que funcione
@thejultan
@thejultan 3 жыл бұрын
Do you notice any input lag? Thanks for the video!
@danielowentech
@danielowentech 3 жыл бұрын
Better fps decreases input lag, not increase, although losing variable refresh rate can actually make it feel worse in some situations.
@ОлександрКовалевський-й5н
@ОлександрКовалевський-й5н 2 жыл бұрын
Hello. give advice please at the moment I have a 10400f and a 1070. a full hd 144hertz monitor. Which video card to buy now, 3060 or 6600xt. Many advise 6600xt. But what would you advise? thanks for the answer
@kaponeboss8914
@kaponeboss8914 Жыл бұрын
I have question would amd fsrp on quality would be good idea and how much fsrp 2.0 sharpening would you use
@malazan6004
@malazan6004 3 жыл бұрын
Don't we already have DLSS now? Or is this for AMD or pre 2000 NVIDIA users? I'm glad upscaling stuff is becoming the norm though yay
@GrzybDominator
@GrzybDominator 3 жыл бұрын
FSR works on GTX cards and AMD you don't need RTX and still many people has GTX cards
@neilstack4194
@neilstack4194 3 жыл бұрын
The app is yea certainly useful pity about not being able to use Fullscreen rather than Window Borderless as it detracts from the game immersion I feel
@danielowentech
@danielowentech 3 жыл бұрын
It's the loss of variable refresh rate that is the big deal to me. Windowed borderless looks just like full-screen although in some games there is a small performance or latency hit (the scaling app scales it out to fit your full monitor resolution using fsr)
@neilstack4194
@neilstack4194 3 жыл бұрын
@@danielowentech oh ok well I guess that answers that might try this app for RDR2 as it seems a handy aftermarket addition to tweak the graphics. Thanks Dan
@danielowentech
@danielowentech 3 жыл бұрын
@@neilstack4194 what you see in this video is a direct screen capture of what was on my screen so if it fills the screen in the video, it was filling the screen. To be honest I won't be using lossless scaling on rdr2 since I can get good enough framerates at native but it is a pretty cool app to play with.
@keisaboru1155
@keisaboru1155 3 жыл бұрын
lossless scaling looks kinda bad tho (sometimes) . i would reccomend magpie lol (its the same thing but free lol) - whatever . use reshade and you will play 1080 p and it will look like AWESOME HAWT SHIT you can also use fsr on fullscreen and it improves the quality . you can also sharpen the fsr by using radeon settings sharpening
@danielowentech
@danielowentech 3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps a good video idea would be comparing magpie to lossless scaling. I believe there is a difference in cpu and gpu overhead between the two but haven't tested yet myself.
@qanongroyper1369
@qanongroyper1369 3 жыл бұрын
Magpie is worse than Lossless. Wtf are you talking about?
@Radish81
@Radish81 3 жыл бұрын
For 1080 what settings you need to set
@vinegar6676
@vinegar6676 3 жыл бұрын
joe
@joepeglegmorgan3015
@joepeglegmorgan3015 3 жыл бұрын
Hey,this is rocket science to me so i want to ask you a question if its not a problem?FSR will come to PS5 and XBOX,i have read somewhere and will consoles have better performing games because of it?i mean, will games be abel to have graphics settings to Max and RT on with 60 fps?im dumb on this topic but to me PS5 looks like a very powerful gamimg machine,so using FSR on PS5 it can be eaven better?can you give short answer/explenation?tnx
@danielowentech
@danielowentech 3 жыл бұрын
FSR is just a method for running a game at a lower resolution and then processing it to look closer to the native screen resolution. There have been other technologies that do a similar thing for years. Consoles already do things like this all the time. FSR happens to do it very well which is why people are excited about it. And I believe it is already up and running in some console games. It isn't going to be some huge revolution in console graphics but it could help.
@joepeglegmorgan3015
@joepeglegmorgan3015 3 жыл бұрын
@@danielowentech Ok. 1 more question.You think PS5 is a good gamimg machine or trash like People are saying. Cause im planning to buy one because PC s are too complicated for me.I wanna play cyberpunk on PS5,when it releses.Will it look good on PS5?
@danielowentech
@danielowentech 3 жыл бұрын
@@joepeglegmorgan3015 ps5 is better than any PC at a similar price. You can buy a better PC but it will cost a LOT more.
@Hybred
@Hybred 3 жыл бұрын
@@joepeglegmorgan3015 PS5 has better performance than a 2060 Super & RX 5700 and worse performance than a 2070 Super on deathloop and some other games DF tested, which puts it at about an RTX 2070, slightly less or more give or take. If you got an equivalent GPU even at MSRP a PS5 will be much cheaper / bang for your buck, $500 or $400 for the digital edition for RTX 2070 performance with a ryzen 2700x and a fast NVMe is good
@user-wq9mw2xz3j
@user-wq9mw2xz3j 3 жыл бұрын
ps5 cheaper but pc cheaper in long run (because playstation games cost more, you need to pay for multiplayer, no upgradability etc). But if you cant bother with Pc, and also dont want to use it for other stuff or for mods, then sure, go ahead and get a ps5. Its not "trash".
@Sugarycodm
@Sugarycodm 2 жыл бұрын
What if we decrease the res then fullscreen it? I think it does nothing other than making it fullscreen
@lifeisbeautiful7361
@lifeisbeautiful7361 2 жыл бұрын
In my case it makes me lose performace lol 😂 and all it does is full screen i don't get it
@daktaklakpak5059
@daktaklakpak5059 2 жыл бұрын
That $hit cost money, when it should be a STANDARD FEATURE IN ADRENALINE SHOVELWARE! WTF AMD?!
@adriancuevas1587
@adriancuevas1587 2 жыл бұрын
Not too sure if im doing something wrong but if i try to set the game to 1080p then scale to 1440p it gives me more frames while looking like garbage? I get better results by just dropping quality to low
@BUCCIMAIN
@BUCCIMAIN 2 жыл бұрын
If you are on a 1440p monitor ofcourse you will notice the difference, 1080p doesn't have enough detail even if upscaled to 1440p.
@adriancuevas1587
@adriancuevas1587 2 жыл бұрын
@@BUCCIMAIN i dont even think its scaling from 1080p when i check the status it says its scaling from 720p?
@stevin47
@stevin47 2 жыл бұрын
is that like the magpie app
@ClavinZKL
@ClavinZKL Жыл бұрын
Question: the game has fsr 2.0 so should I do this or will it give the same performance?
@ClavinZKL
@ClavinZKL Жыл бұрын
Fuck it I just used the res scale in game its bit blurry but I get 60-70 fps instead of 40-50 I got a 1650 Mostly med settings
@JamalTyronus
@JamalTyronus Жыл бұрын
it will give better fps then this lossless scaling crap
@user-wq9mw2xz3j
@user-wq9mw2xz3j 3 жыл бұрын
Lossless scaling app vs Magpie?
@danielowentech
@danielowentech 3 жыл бұрын
It's a possible future video. I haven't gotten into using magpie yet. The lossless scaling dev claims there is less CPU overhead on lossless, but I'd like to test it if I have time.
@ariskazis4663
@ariskazis4663 3 жыл бұрын
There was an option in settings TAA sharpening?.. does that sharpen the image?
@hitmantv1454
@hitmantv1454 3 жыл бұрын
yes
@lifeisbeautiful7361
@lifeisbeautiful7361 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like shit after using it
@Arash-787
@Arash-787 10 ай бұрын
very good
@vivekantoni2134
@vivekantoni2134 2 жыл бұрын
What about temperature? Will it increase?
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