RTX 4070 vs RX 7800 XT in UE5 Games- The Ultimate Comparison!!!

[@po1odo1o]

Like the approach you take and the presentation style. Thanks for what must be very time consuming for an individual creator!

[@tour80]

I picked up a Merc319 7800XT and have been impressed by how well it performs and overall temperatures as well. Seems like with UE5 the 7800xt will be useful for quite some time!

[@hatchetman3662]

I got the same one, and I'm VERY impressed for $530. There are plenty of games where it hangs with the RTX 3090 and 4070 TI, punching well above its weight.

[@Direwoof]

Does it have any curlwhine? Usually thats my turn off with AMD cards usually they whistle like a tea kettle.

[@hatchetman3662]

@@Direwoof Mine has some whine. But it's not a problem for me because I'm usually using a headset.

[@rohanstormbanks7601]

​@@Direwoof Shudnt b a problem; its normal... RTX 30 series cards also had coil whine...

[@Assassin2928]

What temps do you have? I got new Sapphire 7800xt Pure for 580 euros, 63° on gpu and 82° on hotspot with low fan speed.

[@Duthjoods]

Gotta be honest, besides the excellent content you provide, the best part in your vids is by far your raised finger and the way you move your pic around to point to different things. Don't know why but it always gives me a chuckle...

[@redkefka]

From a long time watcher, thanks for all your work on these videos. Very informative stuff!

[@Daniiarchy]

Picked up 7800 xt open box from microcenter, was only used for a week for $400 was a steal for my new pc, glad it performs really well

[@TheBestFormOfHumor]

400 for a 7800xt is wild

[@connor040606]

For sure. Microcenter has them open box between 420-460 depending on the model. @@TheBestFormOfHumor

[@telkota1247]

Thinking of just grabbing a 7800 XT. The price difference is bigger where I live, and the AMD card seems to have a better longevity due to more vram, wider memory bandwidth and so on. I don't care for frame gen, I don't want to introduce any latency, not even singleplayer games.

[@rohanstormbanks7601]

u will need afmf in some games... if u want 2 keep the card for long...

[@FhargaZ]

At least since the drivers from last week many issues that people(like me) had with their 7000s amd cards, crashes, were fixed.

[@Skeames1214]

The extra latency introduced is pretty small above a certain framerate, like a couple milliseconds. Usually if I can hit around 75 fps base, the frame gen feels virtually identical. Really isn't a tangible difference between 38 ms and 33, for example. Doesn't feel like a native 120 obviously, but if you're not getting that anyway you're not missing out. Wouldn't use it in multiplayer, obviously, but for shit like Cyberpunk it's nice.

[@SimonHaestoe]

​@@Skeames1214 so the higher fps you ALREADY HAD the less latency will be had? Sounds pretty backwards - you need it most when fps is low...

[@Skeames1214]

@@SimonHaestoe it's not hard to understand. When the latency is good enough, the frame delivery being smoother is worth more. When your base framerate is 30fps it's gonna feel like shit regardless of how many frames it's outputting.

[@Games_and_Tech]

Hey Daniel, how you deal with drivers? Because you have only one 7800x3d system am I right? Do you use DDU or something in between every change of Nvidia AMD GPU?

[@intelligentdesignmorty8112]

If that’s the case probably :)

[@taggamer335]

im a little impressed at how the 7800xt can keep up with 4070 in Lords of the Fallen, since at high settings above thats with raytracing on, wasnt expecting the gap to be so short because its raytracing.

[@UndyingGhost]

Becouse UE5 uses lumen as RT and AMD cards perform fine there.

[@Livebasura69]

@@UndyingGhost because is softwere no hardwere

[@Eleganttf2]

​@@Livebasura69 aka gimped ray tracing

[@PuppetMasterdaath144]

@@Livebasura69 werewere*

[@omegaPhix]

​​@@Eleganttf2Raytracing and even Pathtracing in games is *ALWAYS* gimped

[@roki977]

love my 7800xt hellhound, perfect cooling, silent, no much more expensive than ref. model.. Two games missing, Fort Solis as most demanding one and The Finals the fastets one. 7800xt is matruring with drivers and it will continue to do so.. 7800XT has quite a lot perf. left for overclocking, more than 4070.

[@samgoff5289]

No card has big overclocking gains anymore....you say amd drivers are maturing as if that is a good thing...I prefer the drivers to be mature when I buy the card and get better from there, not how amd does it

[@AM-pi7jy]

I love these videos, they are extremely useful when i'm trying to decide what to buy. I recently bought an XFX RX 7800XT Merc 319 on sale. The Rtx 4070 would have cost me €80~€100 more at the time. I used that budget to get a better cpu upgrade. I upgraded my Ryzen 3600 to a 5800X3D. The Ryzen 3600 was reaching it's limit with the 7800XT. It's a huge videocard, but it won't get hot, not even in GPU burn-in applications. The AMD Ryzen 5800X3D cpu however, will heat up the room easily this winter. ;)

[@HM-rz8nv]

Congrats, that's a big upgrade!

[@4theistInfidel]

Did you use the 7800 XT with the 3600? That is my current setup but i'm wondering if I should go to a 5800x3d. But I'm wondering if I will notice it. I mostly play 4k, and use FSR if needed.

[@AM-pi7jy]

@@4theistInfidel Yes, i noticed my 3600 going to 100% during games, but i play at 1440p. The 5800X3D is the last and best upgrade for the AM4 platform, so i think i would have bought it anyway eventually. I have an MSI B450 Tomahawk Max motherboard, i case anyone is wondering.

[@mrnissan3262]

⁠@@AM-pi7jyare you using an aio or fan cooler for your 5800x3d? i’m on a 3600 as well and thinking about doing this upgrade but idk if i should up my single tower fan

[@AM-pi7jy]

@@mrnissan3262 I have a Scythe Mugen 5 PCGH Edition cooler and a Corsair Graphite 600T Special Edition case. Lots of airflow.

[@Kilsauron]

I just bought Sapphire Rx 7800xt Nitro+ upgraded from Gigabyte Rtx 3060Ti Master and trust me guys this things is a beast and beautiful. Quiet as f…k. My first Amd after 20 years. I was worried about VR on Oculus 3 but is perfect smooth. Very very good card

[@cameronsnyder3305]

Don't forget the 7800xt has roughly 23% more memory bandwidth which might contribute to the advantages over the 4070, especially on ultra presets.

[@snarlynx1]

You don’t have to remember you can look at the performance

[@iequalsnoob]

big deal. some games the 4070 is better with having lesser bandwidth and less memory. just shows that the bandwidth argument is very minor and the vram argument is absolutely ridiculous.

[@yoyoyo1321]

@@iequalsnoob average nvidia fanboy

[@FATBOY_.]

@@yoyoyo1321 oops

[@haewymetal]

Again what is the point of playing on Ultra instead of High? None. In a blind test nobody can tell a difference. And if you enable the fps counter they will notice however, an fps drop from anywhere of 10 - 30 fps depending on the game. For no visual gain.

[@JamieR]

What will be interesting onward is if RT will get baked in or not, like it was in Avatar. I have a feeling that might become a trend as hardware, upscaling and FG capabilities improves.

[@Jasontvnd9]

Considering that game can run fine on a GTX1060 i dont see it as having baked in RT.

[@stangamer1151]

Software RT is pretty cheap. This is a new standard now. Just like existing shadows became a standard in 90s or TAA became a must in 10s. Software RT truly makes modern games look much more realistic due to more grounded objects, less light leaks, more precise shadows, more detailed and stable reflections etc. Hardware RT, on the other hand, is significantly more demanding, but there is always a separate slider for enabling this feature.

[@Torso6131]

@@Jasontvnd9 Avatar uses hardware accelerated RT if the card can support it, and doesn't if it doesn't if a card is missing hardware accelerated RT support. Which is honestly great. If your card supports it, you get more accurate RT, and if not then you can actually run it.

[@Skeames1214]

It almost certainly will, the optimization is just getting better on that front. Games like Avatar and the UE5 games shown in this demo have RT. You could make a distinction between Lumen and RT in other engines, but at the end of the day they're both tracing rays, and they both incur a performance hit for better GI. What I think is interesting is that the performance hit you take with enabling RT in some games is so much less than it is in others. In UE5 games, Avatar, Metro Exodus, etc. AMD competes pretty well. You can turn Lumen/RTGI on and you'll do just fine, hardware accellerated Lumen usually gives the Nvidia cards about a small but noticeable advantage (5-15 percent range in some of Daniels testing, I think it was larger for Matrix Awakens if I recall correctly). In other games, though, the gap is massive. Cyberpunk on Ultra RT (not even path tracing!) is damn near unplayable even on high end AMD equipment unless you're willing to go for a really low internal resolution. It's just kinda weird. Forza with RT maxed out isn't unplayable on high end AMD hardware by any means, but the performance hit you take enabling it on an AMD GPU is giant. Takes the 7900xtx down to the 4070ish range of performance. And it's not even a very comprehensive implementation, it's just AO and near-field car reflections. Avatar's is much more ambitious, and yet AMD GPU's are fairly close to their Nvidia counterparts.

[@Torso6131]

On one hand, I'm blown away by the 7800xt doing so well, even with RT, on the other, I'm also blown away that a 4070 uses about the same amount of electricity as my 6700xt does when it's undervolted. Not that I'm in the market for a GPU upgrade just yet, but it's still fascinating to see.

[@xxtheplague1xx280]

Just so you know. My 7800xt can undervolt and maintain the same or +2-3% performance, while running 80w on avg lower putting it at 180-210w under load. Dead silent, Sapphire Pure 7800xt. The overclocking is easy mode, just tweak each game and add a profile in the AMD Drivers. 2650-2800mhz depending on game, should be achievable while staying inside the power limit of 280-90w

[@Torso6131]

@@xxtheplague1xx280 Wow that's a MASSIVE power savings. I wonder if AMD is just super conservative with how much juice they give their cards to ensure stable clocks out of the box. You're getting basically the same power consumption as my 6700xt undervolted!

[@JanM2]

​​​@@Torso6131Thats usually the case with GPUs nowadays. The Rx 6700 xt on the other hand can be undervolted to consume only ~130W of power under full load. They probably do this to not only ensure stable performance, but also to crank out every single bit of performance they can get out of their GPUs to have a comparative advantage. Similar to how the 7000 series CPUs also overheat way too much compared to how cool they can be with PBO tuning

[@Torso6131]

@@JanM2 Gotcha. Yeah, I just got my 6700xt about a year ago, and before that i had a GTX 670 which certainly did not follow that line of thinking ha. It makes sense. I actually overclock and undervolt my GPU to save on some power and retain my performance. It is pretty crazy, but yeah, I don't think I've had this much stability on the GPU front in my years of PC gaming before that. I also recently got a 7800x3d, and that thing sips power and stays so cool compared to my old 6700k.

[@АлександрЕрмаков-р3у]

At least 4070 overcomes 3070 in performance while 7800 xt is just face to face with 6800 xt.

[@theSnapcaseLIVE]

sapphire nitro+ user here... and I LOVE IT. Have owned 1080, 2080ti and now this, and simply couldnt be happier. Runs STRONG and COOL. undervolted and still just CRUSHING the fps, all while zero noise and low temps.

[@clarityofdeath]

What power consumption do u get after uv?

[@rohanstormbanks7601]

yeah, does it stay under 230w?...

[@codollan]

@@rohanstormbanks7601 for me yeah

[@gamesstreaming4277]

​I'm under 210w constantly and performance increase is about 15-20% ​@@rohanstormbanks7601

[@COMATRON.]

thanx for the great video - as always. im in the decision phase but the price difference in germany is about 100€ so i think ill get the AMD card. cheaper, more ram and i do not really like raytracing that much. btw. is hardware accel. lumen supported on both systems? will it do better on nvidia as they have the advantage on the raytracing stuff? cheerz mate

[@rohanstormbanks7601]

Ray Tracing is good... Its just heavily taxing on GPUs so people basically dont care abt it... Why not take the xtra visual quality... But comes at a price which is not worth it... Better running without RT... Plus its useful only on single player or racing titles where we enjoy the scenes while playing...

[@tadsnyder2756]

Dude your videos are great it’s all the info we want to see. The only thing I would like to see you go back testing this tech on the 6000 series.

[@slickrounder6045]

7800xt is the one Gpu from this generation that was a banger.

[@airekh1]

Great stuff, man. Appreciate your work!

[@klever891]

Really interesting, I sit with a 5800X and a 6950XT and 32gb ram at 1440P, seems like I stay there for a while and await next gpu's of AMD

[@daniil3815]

It’s a solid system, every upgrade is either negligible or you have to spend 3000$ 😂. I am kinda in the same boat, 5800x, 3060ti with 32gig of ram

[@divexo]

That is exactly what I have.😊. Will stick it with it for a while

[@lifemocker85]

Your update cycle seems to be really stupid

[@sasquatchcrew]

Yes, I recommend to wait. Coming from the 6900xt Powercolor red devil the 7900xtx Nitro is not much better. They play games. AMD needs to keep adding to these drivers. This card is not much better, it only looks better. Its not worth $1000. It will be nothing in 5 years.

[@itsagundamlolisaremasterra7475]

​@@daniil3815fsr is remedial

[@s0ad29]

Daniel Owen, you are doing an amazing job with all those comparison and i truly believe you are an amazing math teacher, you have such a positive and calm vibe that it's hard not listening and learn.

[@JoeJ523]

I just ordered the 7800xt because I feel like the 16 gb will be better in the future and when AMD keeps optimizing drivers for this card will help its performance even more.

[@feedmatrix10]

Smart! I got a laptop 4080, (which has the performance and vram of a desktop 4070), let me tell you. I hit vram limitations an awful amount of time at 1440p

[@yoshiney]

​@@feedmatrix10ya, and they still had the audacity to put 12 gb vram in 4070 ti😅😅😅

[@justanobody4983]

⁠@@feedmatrix10are you sure its vram limits not throttle? Lol. Have a asus 4070 dual and theres no game in 1440p that its vram limited.

[@feedmatrix10]

@@justanobody4983 FF15, ARK SE, COD WARZONE, dead space remastered and so many more, easily hitting 11gb vram, 12gb as well.

[@Jinkle]

@@justanobody4983Exactly

[@HM-rz8nv]

Based on what i could visually tell through your video, without focusing even much on the FPS numbers, the 4070 simply stutters more and for longer. Both cards had their stuttery moments, but the 4070 was just worse. Both cards are having to deal with the poor optimization in Lords of the fallen, but the 7800XT handled it better, even though it certainly had stutters as well. The results across the video also prove it further, 1% lows can be really staggering on the 4070 relative to the average, such as in Immortals of Aveum and Robocop. Both the average FPS and 1% lows on the 7800XT are just better overall looking at these results across multiple titles. I have a 6900XT so i'm very happy with my card already, but if i was choosing between these two cards, the 7800XT would absolutely be what i go with just based on the way the stuttering affects both cards and plus the better performance. Obvious Stutters are more immersion breaking than anything else, and to be fair, poor game optimization is the biggest culprit here.

[@RY3ER_]

Stutters can occur both because of driver/OS optimizations and engine-side issues which we've seen plenty of with both UE4 and 5...

[@rohanstormbanks7601]

Opposite in my case... I have 4070; when I played buttery smooth and no stutters... While my 6950 xt mate calls me and says game is poor it stutters... So, its interesting...

[@neilstack4194]

Great indepth work Dan so much appreciated

[@thefinalboss2403]

You are by far my favorite benchmark channel. No nonsense! Great work! Keep it up my guy!

[@faboitas]

maybe dumb question, but, why does the image of the 4070 look low fps?

[@badbasic]

I don't know if you would consider it as fair comparison, but 4070 is basically un-overclockable(yes, a made up word), while people easily get 15% more performance from the 7800xt, especially from the better cards, like the one you have there. Don't get me wrong, OC has its own issues, like supporting an even larger gap in power draw. How much value do you think it adds to the card, it basically puts it closer to 4070ti in non rt performance, more VRAM than it, while being cheaper than a 4070.

[@Quxer0721]

In my country (Poland) the cheapest RX 7800 XT costs 602$ and RTX 4070 costs 662$. As for the highest price RX 7800 XT is 688$ and RTX 4070 is 907$ (ASUS ROG STRIX OC model). This is a bizarre difference. As I'm not a big fan of games, which tend to have RT, Nvidia is a pretty bad choice. This is the same with RTX 4080 and RX 7900 XTX. The cheapest options accordingly are 1335$ and 1076$. I'm sorry, but I don't think DLSS is that much better to pay so much more money. This is simply outrageous on top of stupidly high prices to begin with. Many of those cards costs more than average person makes a month and this is just one component. To buy only RTX 4080 and i9-14900K (696$) you need to spend 2031$. To buy red parts - R7 7800X3D (430$) and RX 7900 XTX total cost is 1506$. Add MOBO, RAM, power supply, SSDs and you need to spend at least 500$ more. I know you can buy cheaper parts, but still rig with RX 7800 XT or RTX 4070 would hit about 1300-1500$. This is absurd and in EU we get to pay additional tax for electronics, which makes it worse. I'm preparing myself to buy high spec rig to have it for 5-8 years, but still there are no compelling options. I'm waiting for about 5-6 years as of now. I was ready to buy RTX 30 series, but crypto boom made me patient as a monk. Why do I wait? Cause Radeons are not good enough with power consumption for me. Geforces are much better, but their cutting on specs and rising prices as I stated on the begining aren't compelling for me. I hope new generation would make this situation a little better (hopium/copium). So after my 'short' rant, I can say those both cards aren't equal in my eyes. Radeon still is better strictly because of price. Many price trends didn't get into EU, so better raster performance for cheaper is better in my opinion. RT for me isn't a feature, which is a main target and I still think it is just good to have, but not a must. The worst thing about it is performance tax. Maybe next generation would make it more tolerable. I'm interested in prices in other EU countries, if someone is willing to share under my comment I would be grateful. Cause I think prices have got worse, cause of weaker $ exchange rate - prices in PLN stayed the same, but rate has got lower.

[@gaav87]

"Many of those cards costs more than average person makes a month and this is just one component." Avg. salary is 1380$/month netto maybe change ur job and get a mortage xD

[@Quxer0721]

@@gaav87 I'm making decent money, better than average, but I'm talking about average Joe, who is making bare minimum wage. In my country it is about 683,58$ netto (880,49$ gross). Why would I need a mortgage? With lowest salary you want to pass a debt to your children? Smart move man, smart move.

[@gaav87]

@@Quxer0721 Who cares whats the minimum wage is if the avg. person makes 1380$ net. Minimum wage guy is not gonna buy rtx 4080 but, a rx580 or rx6600. Gaming is a hobby and 4080/7900xtx is for enthusiasts. 7800xt price is fair could be 50$ cheaper.

[@Quxer0721]

@@gaav87 Do you know how statistics work? If you have 10 people and one of them have 10$ and other nine don't have any, but on avarage everyone has 1$, but in reality only one person has money. This is exactly the same with salary. 50 people have minimum wage and one person earns 20k $ and on average you have about 1254,9$. If you want to be more acurate about common salary you need to find median earnings. Currently in Poland this should be about 1063,83$ netto. This is much better, but still on mid lower end of earnings in EU. Some countries have two times higher. I can agree with you on that, normal person won't buy RX 7900 XTX, RTX 4080 or higher. This is just absurd of a price. But 80 class cards should cost at most 800$. Not that long ago RTX 3080 (september 2020) MSRP was 699$, RX 6800 XT 649$. RX 7800 XT is 499$, but this is just real RX 7700 XT in disguise. Now let us look at green team: - RTX 4070 [MSRP 599$] - really RTX 4060 class - RTX 4070 Ti [MSRP 799$] - really RTX 4060 Ti. With those prices normal people are lock out of parts or need to compromise with older generations or even go to used market. With more and more demanding titles coming up, you would need to upgrade faster than more people are willing to. But if you don't understand or you don't want to understand I won't pick this topic again. As for me I won't compromise on worse parts, but I won't pay stupid prices like some kind of collectionner. I'm going to keep this PC for at least 3 generations, so there is no need to overspend or underperform.

[@gaav87]

​@@Quxer0721 RTX4070 is not, a 4060 but a 4060Ti and rtx4070Ti is a true 4070. If its bad price just dont Buy it... You still have comunist mentality maybe you'r surrounded by low earners. But Poland is only 8% behind Italy and 10-12% behind France/UK in earnings per capita and 28% behind Germany. Currently TOP40 in world in earnings. You know that in 2024 minimum wage will be 840,95$/month net right and 7,07$/h ? Minimum hour wage in USA is 7.25$/h (1160$/month) gross and in some states its around 6.5 $/h ?. Its not 2010 anymore where Poland was poor and you earned 8-10zł/h in construction "under the table". Now its 25-28zł/h and its even hard to find plumbers for 30zł/h that dont drink. Maybe you dont follow whats happening on the job market and around the world. But other countries have it worse then Poland. Poland rushed thru portugal and greece in last 2 years in earnings it was 10% behind them and now its ahead of Portugal. In 2024 it will match italy and be very close to UK/per capita. Prices for nvidia are bad bang-for-buck thats why i dont buy them. I change gpu's every 8month-1 year. Sell old one add some PLN and buy new one. Litteraly sold my 5600xt bought 6700xt for same price. Then sold my 6700xt bought 6950xt + 400zł then sold that 6950xt bought 7800xt same price... I have my own 1 person company that i made myself w/o anyones help and i buy GPU'S at NET price. Thats why i joked u should change you'r job. I increased my prices 2X in 2023 compared to 2021. Went from 50zł/h to 120-150zł/h depending on client and i only fix Gas pipes and Gas boilers. Numbers of clients did not even decreese... I will prolly swap that 7800xt to rtx4070super or 4070ti super. But max im willing to pay is 3500zł gross on 4070ti super. I spend more on my dogs per YEAR then i do on my PC. 5800x3d+7800xt.

[@capipj]

7800XT can perform in some games as a 4070 Ti. A card that's +300usd class. Awesome card.

[@waltuhputurdaway]

In call of duty maybe but pretty much anything else, no.

[@nizzen2]

Uses too much power in my oppinion. Looks like the "low power" meta is 7800x3d and nvidia 40 series GPU.

[@H.S03]

In like one game. What’s the point of mentioning this like it’s representative of an average user’s experience? The 4070 has outliers too.

[@capipj]

@@H.S03 because 7800XT can Overclock 10-12% and 4070ti maxes 6%. AMD still best bang for buck. +4GB VRAM + MORE BANDWIDTH + FRAME GEN for any DX11/12 game.

[@nicane-9966]

@@H.S03 cod is a massive game and many only play that. so is important to know.

[@daphoosa]

I bought a 4070 recently purely due to its size. I was planning on getting the 7800XT but none of them fit into the small form factor case that I wanted to use.

[@siphon8446]

PULSE AMD Radeon™ RX 7800 XT 16GB

[@rohanstormbanks7601]

AsRock Challenger 7800 xt...

[@TheVanillatech]

That was a dumb move. You spent more money, on vastly inferior hardware.

[@keatonwastaken]

@@TheVanillatech They are very similar while Nvidia comes ahead in software, its not "vastly inferior" by any means, the price difference is not significant either.

[@TheVanillatech]

@@keatonwastaken Well as always, any intelligent buyer factors in price to performance. Given there is a £180 difference, or around 30%, difference in price here in the UK, then in order for the Nvidia to make sense, it should be 31% faster or MORE. It's not. It's actually SLOWER. So if the Nvidia was say .... I dunno, 5%-10% less expensive, then MAYBE it makes sense. I don't know where you live but, I know that in Europe even AFTER the huge damage control to pricing that Nvidia did after the 7800XT came out and "destroyed" the 4060Ti (at exactly the same price point), the AMD card is still hugely ahead and a far better product. But hey, maybe in your country, the Nvidia is less expensive than the AMD.

[@gametime4316]

3 things i get from that video: 1.both cards are a huge leap from what both PS5 and XBOX SX can do. 2. with quality upscale 4070 and 7800XT handle 1440P 60FPS well, 4070 do it while constantly using about 100W less. 3. personally i would prefer the quality of DLSS over that extra 10-15% performance that the 7800XT have.

[@notenjoying666]

Video: "About how and why 4070 will die much sooner than 7800xt" Nvidia fanns: "ill buy nvidia" 🤷🤦

[@gametime4316]

@@notenjoying666 i was considering 7900XT until i got to see FSR vs DLSS in person...

[@pdmerritt]

i'd rather have the nice 1% lows of the 7800xt than the marginal image quality advantage.

[@gametime4316]

@@pdmerritt all 1% lows are above 60fps at 1440p dlss Q or super close to it so i don't care about it much

[@notenjoying666]

@@gametime4316 sure 😂 whatever

[@sandbox8717]

objectively this rush to rt and now pt is just stupid, from every possible pov, it's not subjective: companies complain about investments being too heavy on their shoulders considering current selling prices of AAA games rn, mw we, as gamers, get awful performance, unoptimized\unfinished products that most of the times are not even playable at day1 AND After! I would rather prefer a product that performs better in raster and games without rt(since games visually great without rt do exist!) rather than a weaker gpu that performs slightly better in rt/pt; spoiler: frame gen is a scam, from both Nvidia and AMD . Shouldn't even be a metric of comparison between gpus.

[@kingcobain9179]

ty man ur videos help a lot to decide

[@jrminate]

The amd gpus tend to excel at Software Lumen aka software like ray tracing. Most UE5 games use Software Lumen. That is your answer to why AMD runs better on these games tested. Nvidia Typically run better on Hardware Ray Tracing games, especially heavy RT. This is just an example, games like Alan Wake 2 (not on the same engine) but runs better on Nvidia when you turn on Hardware Ray Tracing. They both have pros and cons, just pick one and enjoy your gaming.

[@craigmurray4746]

Alan Wake 2 is built on the Northlight Engine, not UE5.

[@jrminate]

​@@craigmurray4746 You are right, I worded it wrong. Was just giving out an example of a game that runs better on Nvidia Hardware when Hardware Ray Tracing is turned on.

[@scottcoburn7528]

I had (underline had) upgraded from a 2070 Super to the ASUS RX 7800XT (gunmetal version). I purchased it Nov 6th in anticipation of having it for my recovery from a surgery that was scheduled on the 13th. So I only really got to benchmarking it that first week. I had my surgery on the 13th, and didn't get home until the 21st. I didn't really feel up to doing much until the 24th. One the evening of the 24th, I really got into some Sniper Elite 5 in which I had the settings maxed out at 1440p and it was running a buttery smooth 144 FPS (max refresh of my monitor). I benchmarked it some more as well. Overall, I was really impressed with the card and definitely satisfied with my purchase. THAT WAS UNTIL.... the next day (Saturday morning). I was sitting with my feet up DOOM scrolling on my phone next to my computer. The computer was on and running World Community Grid and nothing else, so CPU (5900X) running 100%, I can't say for sure if there were any GPU work units coming through at the time though. AND... it just shut off. Almost like a reboot from a Windows Update. The RGB was still sort of running, but the computer was off. I really thought an update had caused it to restart, so I watched it for like 30 seconds, but it didn't restart. I hit the power button, nothing. Hit it a couple more times with various lengths of holding it down and nothing. So I reached in behind and turned the PSU off and let the power discharge from my computer (ie the ARGB shut off). I gave it a few seconds, turned the PSU back on and hit the power switch and PPPFFFFFTTTT. The magic smoke poured out around the area of the VBIOS switch. I'm a EET, so I'm no stranger to the smell of burnt electronics. Needless to say that was very distressing and disappointing. I was going to throw my 2070 Super back in, then thought again, worried that if it was PSU that had blown it up that I might destroy a good working card. I had a 980GTX sitting on my desk, so I popped that in. After a couple boot attempts (BIOS figuring out the VGA adapter had changed), I was into Windows. The place I purchased it from (Memory Express) offers a IPR (Instant Product Replacement) for all the stuff they sell, I had purchased this (I don't normally go for extended warranties) so I took it in. Because they no longer had my card, or for that matter any 7800XT card in stock, and I didn't want anything else, they refunded me my purchase and the cost of the IPR. I have been less than patiently waiting for them to get any model of the 7800XT in stock, to no avail. I only have less than three weeks left of my STD (no not that STD, Short Term Disability) left, so it's doubtful that I'll have a card before I go back to work. At that point my interest in an upgrade will be muted, and the rumored Super series from nVidia will be coming soon after. I would prefer a nVidia card if not for their pricing and VRAM shenanigans, so if the Super series corrects that (yeah right), then at that point I might reconsider my purchase decision.

[@kagetora03]

did u ever figure out why the card burnt? sounds quite intriguing. could be u just got an unlucky defect or there was something with the VBIOS settings that set the voltage too high, thus crisped it? (am definitely not an expert or knowledgeable enough on the subject tho)

[@scottcoburn7528]

@@kagetora03 No I didn't look into it further as it was under warranty with MemEx's IPR, and I didn't want to give them any reason not to honor it. I was actually thinking it was a tantalum capacitor placed backward (reverse polarity). ASUS had an unfortunate series of motherboards (one of their more expensive lines) that had a cap placed reverse polarity. Buildzoid discovered it through a users photo of the damage. These types of manufacturing defects are uncommon, but not impossible. In cases like that, the cap won't necessarily burn immediately. It depends on the voltage rating vs. the voltage on the cap, the operating temperature, and the on time. The closer the operating voltage and the maximum rated voltage are, the quicker it will fail. Typically engineers design in at least a X2 tolerance. So if the expected voltage on the cap is say 3V, the cap will be rated for at least 6V, or even 10V. You never design with components that are being taken to their maximum rating at it's normal operation. Temperature is a factor too. Typically you half the max voltage rating at high temperatures. However in this sort of use (not operating in high ambient termperatures), I wouldn't expect a capacitor to be exposed to much heat. They don't produce much heat of their own. Of course without having taken it apart, this is only conjecture. MemEx took my contact information because they thought ASUS might want further information as this is technically a safety issue (burning electronics), though I only seen smoke, no flame. I was actually kind of hoping they'd contact me, so I could find out what failed, as I'm a EET so it's in my wheelhouse. They haven't contacted me yet, and it's been 17 days since I returned it to MemEx.

[@kagetora03]

@@scottcoburn7528 i see, that was quite interesting. thank you for the insight :)

[@PeacefulYakuza]

Hi Daniel.Whats your thoughts about leaked ps5 pro specs?

[@michaelthompson9798]

Great video and very informative 🤩🤯👍! Very interesting that Nvidia has been pushing Ray Tracing for years now and we’re seeing the new “mainstream” engine, Unreal Engine 5, not really using hardware Ray Tracing, only Lumen (more software based) which benefits AMD (from this video) and not Nvidias more advanced architecture 😱🤯🤔. Maybe we’ll see AMDs favour by more people (Nvidia dominates Steam Surveys) going forward in the future …… interesting times indeed. I’m an Nvidia user and loving seeing more GPU competition in the benchmark results. AMD may force Nvidia to offer a bit more in their GPU performance and not to skimp with a 192-bit bus on its medium and higher end GPU lineup with its 4070 / 4070Ti. Great work Daniel 💪🥰

[@DonSofiani]

21:57 that guy is a gamer, he knows how to handle an AUG !

[@deshmining_club]

Hello Daniel! Thank you for your videos! Would you please make a PC latency comparison between 7800xt and any Nvidia card with all rt/fsr/dlls/fg/afmf off in different resolutions and games? I think we can expect kindly weird results.

[@juanblanco7898]

Care to elaborate on the weird results expectations, by any chance?

[@earthtaurus5515]

Wow, this is alot of work and thanks for taking time to go through all of the testing. Interesting that there is no Hardware RT setting available.

[@jesusfreakster101]

Advise please: only a monitor away from first build; with the 7800xt as the card I’ve purchased, is 4K realistic for single player titles under the UE5 umbrella?

[@teak909]

Yes

[@moeinkhademi3469]

7800xt and 5600x ...playing most game at 4k easy over 60fps and some game 2k , max settings ... 7800xt 🔥.

[@ZaksterBlue]

Excellent, thank you! I wonder if you accidentally used the Robocop 1440p RX7800 'High' footage and stats for comparison with the 4070 in Ultra, as the RX7800 image is softer during the Ultra comparison, and when you then changed to 1440p High, the image softness was then consistent for both, and the stats were still the same for the RX7800.

[@Juice_VI]

CoD finally optimized Warzone. 7800 XT is an absolute beast. I’m seeing around 200 FPS depending on the area of the map. I know it used to be around 25% faster than the 4070. Not sure if that’s still the case but that’s why I chose it vs the 4070. I don’t care about any NVIDIA features.

[@MgelikaXevi]

Great video! I am currently torn between these two. While 7800 looks strong, the fact that Nvidia has prettier upscaling and latest FG kind of makes it difficult to chose, since both cards aren`t gonna stay super competitive in future without extra help. At some point DLSS3 has higher chances to save the day, at least so far I got this impression.

[@8K240hz]

fsr3 can be implemented in dam near any game right now, i just added it to gta v and cyberpunk using my 2060 card- pretty crazy. im torn between this card and the upcoming 4070 super... if the 4070 super is significantly faster (which it seems it might be) ill probably pick that up but man this card is tempting for the price.

[@rohanstormbanks7601]

I'd say wait for super series release and then make ur decision... If price is almost same and it has better performance u cud go with super

[@ramsey6839]

Definitely go with a 4070 I bought a 7800xt to try it out because I was upgrading from a 3060 ti 8g and I play Rust and battlefield 2042 alot and the Amd card has good fps but the graphics quality at 1440p just doesn't look as good as a 4070. I returned the 7800xt and got a 4070 and I am very happy with my fps and graphics quality now.

[@Jay-mx5ky]

Something to note on his point about FSR3 adoption: In just a few days after this video i believe, FSR 3 went open source. So you now have the ability to incorporate frame generation into any FSR title (and possibly other titles) through mod support, as well as enable FSR from DLSS only support. Of course, nothing will really top a good developer implementation, but it's something to consider now as well.

[@rohanstormbanks7601]

7800 xt is the choice if u any have cold feet for VRAM... 4070 does use more xpensive GDDR6X vram which is allegedly a bit more efficient, but yeah allegedly...

[@Jay-mx5ky]

@rohanstormbanks7601 yep just got mine last month. It's been working great, and I highly prefer the AMD software suite, which doesn't get talked about enough.

[@rohanstormbanks7601]

@@Jay-mx5ky Great!... Yea, adrenalin is versatile compared 2 geforce X... I got myself an Asus DUAL 4070 OC last month... So, far so good... Runs cool, quite; fan turns on after 55 degree C... In here, 7800 xt and 4070 almost same price; like some models 4070 cheaper and some models 7800 xt cheap...

[@remipennel121]

Frame generation seems much better on the AMD side despite it being supported in less games, surprising when knowing that AMD GPU drivers are open source whereas NVIDIA GPU drivers aren't. Great video, very informative, it really was an ULTIMATE comparison with the commentary actually bringing stuff to the table instead of just saying "This gpu faster, this gpu better"

[@НААТ]

Not for much longer. framegen for all dx11 and dx10 games incoming soon for amd

[@remipennel121]

@@НААТ Wow I didn't know about that, I'm happy I settled with the rx 7800xt then :)

[@robertopazsoldan9641]

Remember 7800xt is ready for gta 6. Imagine a 4070ti perform less than 7800xt at 1440p in gta 6 because exceded the 12gb of vran

[@sitordan]

This video took some doing. GGG, Daniel, and thank you.

[@SiqFix]

The problem I’m seeing with UE5 developers aren’t putting in all the graphic settings to optimize the game better.

[@jackseptic901]

could you look into a new game called the Finals. it seems you primarily do gpu stuff but I would be interested in the CPU side of things. I have a 5800x and a 7800xt and I'm seeing usage into the 70% to 80% area I can't say iv ever seen something like that from a game on a moderately good CPU. I would be particularly interested in how x3d parts handle the game if you have the ability to do so. btw Enjoying your content!

[@Bashed44]

Maybe this advice will help you: just buy new or OC your ram to get better gpu utilization. X3d cpu are less demanding in ram to utilize gpu, but anyway, the optimal frequency is something close to +-3733 and timings, where less is better

[@nipa5961]

I played through RoboCop just a few days ago. While playing I wondered why the performance was rather bad even in small interior areas at times while graphics were often underwhelming. Seeing this is actually a UE5 title is shocking!

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

Do you think the games that have close performance but better 1 percent lows with the amd card are CPU limited ans we are seeing the lower driver overhead from amd?

[@wolololer]

Does manufacters models of a GPU matter much? or cna i just buy the cheapest one?

[@lifemocker85]

Depends. Coolers are a bit different

[@MrGauch0]

I don't know how it is with the 4070, but the 7800 XT can easily be undervolted and overclocked to reduce the power draw and get another 10 to 15% performance boost... how do the guys out there with the 4070 have this option as well?

[@lifemocker85]

Amd gpus undervolt really well

[@jrminate]

6900xt even the reference models can achieve same performance as a stock - mild 6950xt too. Amd overclocks very well and undervolt does wonders.

[@Kapono5150]

Finally picked up a 7800X3D new for 350. Very fast CPU

[@ThatOneGuyC]

"Very fast" it's tied 1st place with the 7950x3d in gaming. It's the FASTEST.

[@Denis-wk7km1]

The main question if Frame Generation. I have bought 4070 12Gb 7 days ago. And FG Nvidia looks good in many games. It has problem with ghosting in some games, but some games look great. For example Ratchet & Clank, Robocop, Remnant 2, Cyberpunk has a great FG support. And I tested frame generation by AMD in Avatar and Forspoken, and it works really bad. I see stutters, fps drops, and 120fps with FG look like 65-70. I think that AMD duplicate generation frame for statistic, cos I don't understand why it looks not smooth at all with 120fps. I could think that it's problem in KZbin video, but I tested myself.

[@Heisenberg_747]

Just got myself the new sapphire pulse 7800xt for £489 on my first build. 4070 is £100 extra with lower vram :)

[@Llamu]

Where can I find one for £489 they’re all the same price or more than the 4070 right now

[@Heisenberg_747]

@@Llamu you can refer scan computers website.

[@Daniel-l8m4r]

Was Rebar and SAM enabled? Seems AMD cards gain quite slot from it more than NVIDIA

[@lifemocker85]

depends about the game so not necessarily

[@garethgobulcoque8668]

Nvidia only allows ReBAR to work on certain whitelisted games, by default it is disabled in the driver if you aren't playing a whitelisted title. This was done because ReBAR makes performance worse on Nvidia in some games.

[@justin169169]

The thing is, amd's fluid motion frames are working amazingly well. It can be implemented on a driver level in basically any game. So if anything, the 7800xt is better for frame generation than the 4070 being that the 4070 can only do it in games with dlss3. Just get what you want/can afford and optimize settings for whatever that is and enjoy the results.

[@limemason]

Any DX11/12 game. They will add DX9 support eventually and others

[@justin169169]

@@limemason works in vulkan now as well.

[@jayceneal5273]

Well the 4070 can also use amd frame gen so that's still a point in favor of the 4070

[@justin169169]

@jayceneal5273 clearly you didn't read my comment. I said the 4070 can only use frame gen in games that have dlss 3 and enable the feature. Amd has frame gen at the driver level so you can use it in almost every game. Please explain how that's a win for the 4070?

[@starvader6604]

@@jayceneal5273 look at lords of the fallen.. you cant use dlss3 frame gen BUT you can definitely use afmf with amd gpu.. but it currently not very good image quality wise and frame pacing.. really hope that it becomes better once it offically release Q1 next year

[@yeezystreetteam]

FYI for those looking to buy 7800XT, it will not fit in lancool 2 mesh. You can unscrew & remove the grommet (easy to do) and then it will fit, but you won't have fancy clean cabling. I'm fine with mine, it's not a a dog & pony show.

[@Neutrinum]

The only downside of the RTX 4070 is its 12GB RAM and price. Nvida Cards are imo less noisy, better drivers, better in reselling, DLSS is a bit better and its pulling 80-100Watt less per hour!

[@vyathaen]

@Daniel Owen It would be useful to see how they compare when both use FSR. Most of the games I play only have FSR as an option and I saw an old article showing FSR running much better on an amd gpu than an nvidia one. I wonder if this is still the case or the article was legitimate. Please can you test that quickly?

[@Skeames1214]

Obviously just a random commenter, but the consensus on this is that if FSR runs better on AMD GPU's it's a very small benefit. Like a couple frames max, and most of the time there isn't a difference. DLSS usually run a frame or two better on my 4080 than FSR at the same quality settings, but again, it's extremely minimal. Do you still have that article handy? I'd like to see it.

[@Kringey1]

Only reason i could understand why they equal out and are a little better on the 4070 when on high and not ultra would be the bus width difference other than that nothing else could explain it

[@JeepBully]

Really wish they would stop pushing the ai upscaling and improve raster with these updates. DLSS has been out for what 4+ years and I still can’t unsee it when it’s on. FSR also. Both create weird shimmer

[@kye3k1]

Free performance. Otherwise you'll be living like it's 2010 happy to run games at 40fps

[@Born_Stellar]

Personally I think the AI hardware nvidia is forcing into its cards is useless for gaming. You can pull off the same things with software, its just nvidia is trying to make money off the AI datacenter market.

[@kye3k1]

We are benchmarking and playing games at a higher resolution, with ray tracing and less driver issues at the game price than what we had 10 years ago, on top of this we can opt into a 60-90% FPS boost for free and people still and complain 😄

[@michahojwa8132]

Dajniel, I recommend to check new AFMF from dec7 - but with controller and doing actual gameplay, not waving to sides to check, who's faster. It has shocked me how much it has changed. Previously you needed to double from 45fps to see sub 60fps, now it's better from 30fps and above 37fps it looks like 60, doubling to 110fps is 'like native' - the fluent feeling is great.

[@OrlandoCaba]

I still find it ridiculous these youtube influencers don't talk about it. It is amazing on my 7900xtx and on my 7800xt but definitely the best experience on the 7900xtx. THe dec. 7th drivers are Native image quality when AFMF is enabled. The frame pacing is amazing. Puts nvidia's DLSS FG to shame.

[@Assassin2928]

@@OrlandoCaba And usable in all dx11 and 12 games.

[@jamesbyrd3740]

@@OrlandoCaba what are you talking about? in the games tested here, the 7800xt seemed to have a more flat frame graph. I'd argue that's most important.

[@michahojwa8132]

@@OrlandoCaba played lords of the fallen yesterday with both FG - got 4k 50>260fps :). FSR3 rulez but 2d ui gets broken - all of it. FSR3.0.2 is a lot sharper than 2.2+afmf. it's academic but 4kfsr3qFG was 120fps with better 1% lows. LukeFZ patreon has it now. I want to test Hogwarts and Cyberpunk today evening, maybe Cyberpunk gets fix.

[@SirBlicks]

As someone who plays a lot of linear titles and solo campaigns I love to see my games at ultra settings 4k, this includes ray tracing, and this important for me and a lot of the time the RTX cards are just plainly better and that’s the only reason I would rather have an RTX card, if AMD was comparable I would 100% get an AMD card and save money.

[@jonneh989]

The 4070 and 7800xt are very similarly priced in my country. What would be the better choice?

[@MrToastyYT]

Do you care about RT a lot? Yes: 4070 No: 7800xt Are you going to use it as a workstation GPU or just for gaming? (blender etc.) Workstation: 4070 Gaming: 7800xt Do you want to be ensured the next generation of upscaling technology? (DLSS/FSR) Yes: 7800xt No:4070 Are you OK with the GPU using more power? Yes: 7800xt No:4070

[@XavyGuauBulma]

​@@MrToastyYTsin tantas vueltas al asunto Rx 7800 XT ganador

[@SilverOrlov]

@@MrToastyYT Thanks

[@REDN0AK]

i watched this on my lg c1 48" 4k TV connected via cable to a 400mb network, youtube quality was set to 2160p60... I SAW NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER BETWEEN DLSS AND FSR3. i paused the video several times, zoomed in and could not see any difference. i not saying there is none... but i for myself am considering a 7800xt, but where should i look to compare dlss and fsr3? I've only got a gtx2060... so cant check for myself btw: great video :D

[@rohanstormbanks7601]

if u are on a budget go for amd... If u arent then the 4090...

[@REDN0AK]

​@@rohanstormbanks7601 in a nutshell, your comment perfectly sums up the current situation in the gpu market. want max? -> spend 1500$ get a 4090. Anything else? -> spend 500$ and feel like a pleb. the 2060 was the most i've ever spend on a entry level card and still could play everything in high at 60 fps. nowadays?! if you want the newest gimmick (aka RT) u'll need to spent at least 800 bucks to come even close to 60fps

[@rohanstormbanks7601]

@@REDN0AK I had the 1050 2 Gigabyte variant... Used it from '16 to '22... Now I switched to a RTX 4070... Got an Asus Dual OC for less than MRP luckily... Not buyin again for a while... Or might switch 2 console...

[@Cytech33]

Thanks men for useful video.

[@Rufnek2014]

@danielowen - With regards to Ray Tracing, it was my understanding that some of the UE5 games have some form of RT baked right into it, and that is why there is NO options to turn it on/off. There was also talk about how some games were using much higher than normal settings, even at the lowest end and that is why they are much more demanding, requiring betting gpu's to get out of the gate. Much like Alan Wake 2 made older GPU's obsolete and unusable due to graphic requirements in game design.

[@shoobadoo123]

Hey Daniel, I'd appreciate if you tested low settings for at least some of these games too. It would be interesting to see how many frames ue5 can push. We know it can get a lot cause of fortnite. But what about single player games? Would be nice to know for people who prefer high frames over high settings, like myself

[@samgoff5289]

Makes no sense

[@shoobadoo123]

@@samgoff5289 learn english then

[@samgoff5289]

@@shoobadoo123 not the words, the idiotic ideas you have...test low settings in a gpu benchmark for single player games is beyond stupid and you say you know ue5 can get high frames in fortnite but ask if ue5 can push high frames in the same sentence as if the game being single-player changes how many frames the engine can handle

[@JesseBacker]

I picked up a 7800XT for $340 and I'm very happy.

[@jamesbyrd3740]

from whom. did it fall off a truck

[@JesseBacker]

@@jamesbyrd3740 local market place. Thought it was a scam but they met in person to sell it and got the deal of the year

[@lifemocker85]

I got used & refurbished 6800XT with 1 year warranty for 255€

[@Born_Stellar]

@@jamesbyrd3740 lol yeah insane deal

[@kuno-genshinimpact8943]

We can also see ~50% more wall power draw for AMD. The 4070 is way more efficient, at very similar perf. And if you trade 10% perf on the 4070 you run at 75% (Powerlimit 150W)

[@lifemocker85]

Amd gpus undervolt really well

[@jrminate]

@@lifemocker85 This is true, amd always has the voltage up higher by default. You can undervolt them easy.

[@apathy5218]

I just don't think the 4070 is ever gonna be worth it in the price range. By the time the 4070 base gets a deal, nvidia's super series will drop, AMD is gonna cut the 7800xt price. 12GB might be fine for now but why not just grab the 16GB option? I don't care much about Ray Tracing.

[@Mako2401]

Oh sweet summer child. you think that the super series will be a better value?

[@stefangioada3555]

I had a 3070 ti and never used RT because I don't care, now I have a 6800xt and I'm happy with it

[@MrSeb-S]

In Avatar you can't switch off RT and platform a lot better on 4070

[@gangofgames272]

I brought myself a 7800xt and took it back firstly it was huge because you couldn’t get a dual fan bc of the heat and the power draw was so massive it caused a psu coil whine in my 750W psu

[@Profetorum]

Is it reasonable to assume the 7800XT numbers are what i could expect from a 6800XT ? Atleast 3dmark scores are very similar for the 2 gpus

[@АлександрЕрмаков-р3у]

And that's the point that new generation of 7700xt and 7800xt amds cards do not offer any significant boost. Although everyone blamed nvidia, but they at least game some boost to 4070 in comp with 3070.

[@АлександрЕрмаков-р3у]

And that's the point that new generation of 7700xt and 7800xt amds cards do not offer any significant boost. Although everyone blamed nvidia, but they at least game some boost to 4070 in comp with 3070.

[@lifemocker85]

@@АлександрЕрмаков-р3у there is no point

[@ryanspencer6778]

The 6800xt is actually faster.

[@Born_Stellar]

@@ryanspencer6778 it loses in some scenarios but it has more processing power.

[@tryfergoodra552]

If both were at 500$ which one would you recommend?

[@pcmasterracetechgod5660]

What's the deal with AMD vs Nvidia vram? I know Nvidia has 6X, but surely that can't be the reason it's running 4 times faster? Or do they just display/calculate speeds differently? Nvidia running vram at 10Ghz, AMD at 2.5Ghz.

[@Born_Stellar]

nvidia counts the speed after the multiplier has been applied and AMD reports the speed the vram is actually running at. Kind of like how DDR4 '3200mhz' ram actually is running at 1600mhz x2.

[@LunarBulletDev]

Damn i wanted the 7800 so bad, had to cancel my order when i realized it is not good for video rendering, 3d rendering and it even cant bake lights in game dev software like unity, damn, the 7800 is an absolute beast for gaming, if you only game, get the 7800 hands down

[@khaansulu5695]

39:20 It is software RT, someone else mentioned it as well, which explains why the 7800 XT was doing well with it, AMD can do software RT pretty well. The fact that Nvidia started RT a generation before AMD and AMD are already catching up is impressive. Soon AMD will be a viable option for RT/PT

[@jamesbyrd3740]

pt?

[@s1p0]

In UE5 "software RT" means Low quality without using any RayTracing (= it can run game). UE5 Path Tracing looks exactly, like when you enable Lumen RT (=bouncing Reflections + Global Illumination). Lumen RT looks same but it's much faster that PT.

[@jayceneal5273]

They're hardly catching up though. If you enable hardware lumen then amd lags behind

[@khaansulu5695]

@@jayceneal5273 Maybe think about what you said for a minute.

[@jayceneal5273]

@@khaansulu5695 you can't use software rt as evidence that they're a viable hardware rt contender. Maybe think about your comment for a minute

[@bazwell6735]

One thing that is generally overlooked when comparing nvidia and amd graphics card, perhaps because it is new and niche, is AI generation. Right now it is possible and totally free to install text-to-image AI software, SDXL, locally on your computer and run it through your GPU. However, it only works on nvidia GPUs or really slowly through your CPU. Wasn't aware of it when I bought my 4070 but I started dabbling into it and I'm glad I picked nvidia.

[@Veon1]

True, you can run GPT-like chatbot LLMs as well like Llama 2 easily on Nvidia GPUs, though Nvidia is so stingy with the amount of RAM they put in consumer GPUs that the quality of the models you can load is severely restricted...

[@ultrademigod]

It does work on AMD GPUs, but you have to go through a few hoops to make it run.

[@blurry9744]

For those of you that have a Powercolor 7800XT Hellhound, do any of you use a gpu bracket, or would you say its not needed? it seems like a fairly long gpu, and Im a bit worried about sag

[@MrToastyYT]

If you're worried, you should get a bracket, why take the chance with a $500 part?

[@Anon1370]

its cheap i don't see why people wouldn't be using them these days with the expense of cards why take the gamble on a snapped pci e slot or a cracking card

[@proflex310]

Obvious choice for UE5 games - 7800xt.

[@endless_universe2023]

This extensive "framepicking" doesn't make much sense. You cannot predict the future games' performance based on released games. We've seen so much going on on the "optimizations" side of things, so while yes, many games will run on UE5, this video won't help anything. I would rather hear your perspective on games optimizations, insider stories or interviews with game devs, otherwise you're joining hundreds of other faceless "comparison videos" which doesn't give any food for thought. Keep up the good work.

[@jedimindtrickonyou3692]

I was really conflicted on which of these two to buy, I opted for a 4070 because I wanted DLSS and serviceable RT (yes, it's not 4090 level RT, but it's a whole lot better than the 7800xt).

[@gametime4316]

I got the 4070TI for the same reason, I hope it will be enough for 1440P 60FPS (with Q DLSS) for the next 4 years (the plan is skip the "RTX 5070" and buy "RTX 6070" in 4 years)

[@waltuhputurdaway]

​@@gametime4316most likely rtx 6000 comes out in 2028

[@caribbaviator7058]

The 7800xt only has two advantages the VRAM and slightly better raster. I ended up going with the 4070 back in September. None of the games I own run properly on AMD hardware. Last thing I can remember my previous Radeon card crashed a lot.

[@gametime4316]

@@waltuhputurdaway nvidia usually do 2 years gen over gen so it should be and of 2026 for 6090 start of 2027 for 4070. but there are times that it took more than 2 years, so if we will have 2 long generations 2028 is an option, a disappointment but an option.

[@gametime4316]

@@caribbaviator7058 last non nvidia card i had was 9800 pro back in 2004

[@theyoungjawn]

You actually can enable FG on 40 series GPUs for LOTF with the command argument ‘-DLSSFG’ for Nvidia cards.

[@theromanian8194]

Just get what you need. For me Nvidia is the way because I do 3D and the 4070 is 3X faster in Blender. If you're a gamer AMD is the way, if you're a creator Nvidia is the way. Better drivers and stability for video editing and 3D.

[@BixxPlays]

anybody else notice that in the games where amd wins it seems the games are making better use of the vram on the amd card?

[@MariuszOkularczyk]

This is what I've been waiting for.

[@blurry9744]

Thanks alot for this video, I just ordered a self built pc with 7800XT knowing I didnt really want ray tracing, I was for sure looking between these two gpus when building my pc, and the Powercolor Hellhound 7800xt is what I went with, around 140$ cheaper than the 4070 model I was looking at during black friday, so it felt like a good choice to go with the 7800XT. First time Im gonna be an AMD user, so hopefully it will serve me well along with a ryzen 7 7800x3d.

[@zonemanbobo]

I got a 7900 XT hellhound to go with my Alienware OLED my god😮😮😮😮

[@lifemocker85]

12gb is a joke

[@blurry9744]

@@lifemocker85 seeing this video though, it looked like the 4070 cards allocated less VRAM to the same game, not sure if it shows the whole picture though, but ye, 12 seems like very little for a 4070

[@lifemocker85]

@@blurry9744 ngreedia gimp their products to generate more sales in the future

[@MatthewCEBamber]

Im super happy i chose the 7800xt over the 4070. Every game im played the last 5 weeks has been a fantastic experience 👌

[@bobbobert1081]

Wish you tested The Finals, really good and optimised game.

[@MrTernation]

I'd like to know,lets say a 4070 vs 7800 xt if you are able to hold that card during its warranty period (3y in europe) how much money would you spend just from the power perspective, i know energy varies but that would give a new angle since one of the adavantages of nvidea product is power efficiency.

[@lifemocker85]

6800XT is 220W gpu undervolted for example

[@ziosalvo5137]

A 4070 can undervolt to 140W with 0 performance loss while an 7800 XT can undervolt to 200W for basically same performance of the 4070. In Italy where the avg electricity price is around 0,30€/Kwh (taxes included), could range from 1€ per Y up to 40€ (depending on the amount of hours per day you use the GPU).

[@lifemocker85]

@@ziosalvo5137 amd gpus gain performance with uv. Ngreedia gpus cost more than AMD so doesnt really matter if they consume little less electricity

[@rohanstormbanks7601]

If energy cost is cause of concern go with green team and cpu shud be AM5 ryzen... As they consume very less power...

[@lifemocker85]

@@rohanstormbanks7601 if ngreedia gpu costs more to buy the energy saving doesnt matter

[@nimbulan2020]

I really can't believe that rare it is for games to offer hardware acceleration for Lumen. It's baked right into the engine! Personally I'm really not happy with the Lumen quality offered in The Talos Principle 2 and hardware RT would help a lot.

[@clownavenger0]

maybe the Ultra settings are running slower on the 4070 due to its lower bandwidth? Its one criticism people had when comparing to the 30 series.

[@stepanovic55]

I will give you all very interesting information I have been digging up about refresh-gen and next-gen. So basically it's confirmed that PS5 Pro is getting a refresh in a few months during 2024, the spec has been leaked to be a GPU based on AMD RDNA 3 with 72 CU, etc... Another confirmation is that Microsoft is not doing a refresh rather they are pushing for a next-gen Xbox during 2026 with a GPU based on AMD RDNA 5, we don't have more leak info then that. Consider also that UE5-engine seems to favor AMD, I can see AMD just getting stronger and stronger throughout time. Taking Daniels review here into consideration and my own little digging, I would definitely pickup the 7800 XT, not only is it stronger right now than the RTX 4070, but it will also age good and gain decent performance over-time. Your next gpu will most likely be under the next-gen era which according to Microsoft will hit 2026 with RDNA5.

[@MasterofPuppets72]

7800xt all the way, if your into large open world survival games you need the extra VRAM. I'm playing Ark Survival Ascended and ultra textures with remaining settings on high it uses around 11gb VRAM. After a week or so our base is quite large and today it was using 13.1gb at 1080p. Especially if your using higher resolutions really going to need that extra VRAM down the line.

[@jimcachero]

I’m not sure but is “The Finals” use Ue5? Hope so because man that’s an awesome engine.

[@fiftyfive1s410]

For me, I can't tell the difference between native 1440p and 1440p DLSS Q. I can tell the difference between FSR3 Q vs native, however. Given that, the performance difference between the 7800XT native and 4070 DLSS Q is minimal. That wouldn't have been enough had the nvidia card not had its extra features - impressive RT, frame generation. I am able to play cyberpunk at 1440p with DLSS balanced with full path tracing and ray reconstruction. That simply wouldn't have been possible on the 7800XT, and I value PT a lot.

[@shazzi1626]

Pt is good but only 2 games support it

[@soniofficial6017]

@@shazzi1626more to come soon..

[@damianabregba7476]

Soon™

[@shazzi1626]

@@soniofficial6017I mean ps5 pro will come out in 2025 with GTA 6. That will make 12gb cards obsolete especially with pt enabled. It’s rumored to have 3090 performance with 16 gb of usable vram. If your going to upgrade next gen sure get the 4070. However, if u want to keep the gpu for 4-5 years 7800 xt is more value

[@DyCa-e5o]

@@soniofficial6017 It's an excuse people use to favor Nvidia, I highly doubt someone can enjoy 60fps slideshow rtx