It's finally happened... Monster Hunter Wilds PC System Requirements Analysis

Monster Hunter Wilds PC benchmarks will have to wait until the release date, but for now we have the official system requirements, and they look troubling. Is your PC ready?
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[@MrFloribe]

recommended settings being 60 fps with FG enabled at 1080p medium... that's insanely bad

[@albert2006xp]

But recommended settings doesn't mean anything. I agree they shouldn't have listed them with FG, and instead used higher tier cards with higher settings than that for recommended.

[@shutitfukface]

Nah, just if you're a broke peasant.

[@taiga_69]

@@albert2006xp dawg we are talking about 1080p medium here💀4060 should be adequate @1080p high at least. I would say bad optimisation but we will see.

[@exturkconner]

@@albert2006xp It means something. If they didn't stipulate it was at medium you could say it meant nothing because we'd have no idea what preset or the like. But we have a pretty good idea. If you need both upscaling and frame generation at medium it means at low even with frame generation turned off you probably aren't hitting 60. And that's at 1080p. That's pretty rough for cards that are only 2 generations back at the upper midrange or lower high ranger.

[@dingickso4098]

30 to 60fps framegen. Now you get to experience latency too. "The way it's meant to be played"

[@WhatAMagician]

Frame gen in a timing based precision game like monster hunter is wild.

[@shutitfukface]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

[@zokuva]

i mean, the game is called monster hunter wilds

[@darudesandstorm7002]

We put up with much worse for nearly two decades on handhelds.

[@charleyking8931]

I see what you did there😂

[@ickerolig]

@@darudesandstorm7002 Did your handheld cost $3000-4000?

[@dapovi]

"Wild" indeed.

[@saulghim2661]

I dont know why this surprises people. Japanese games are always iffy on optimization, and World was similarly bad.

[@fffrrraannkk]

It's one thing to rely on upscaling, but frame gen is something else entirely. Frame gen should be considered a luxury for those who can computationally afford it.

[@Healcraft]

fsr is incredibly ugly , i have to use it or tsr in wukong but the game is so good that it is bearable. However I tried 75% / even 50% fsr on 4k tv and it looks much better, than 75% on 1440p. I guess the more pixels helps and most upscaling is designed from the ground up for 4k output anyway I assume

[@PREDATEURLT]

@@Healcraft Yes, higher resolution helps with scaling, and I'm seeing very different implementations of scaling, hellblade II looks like crap with FSR, while callisto protocol looks very nice (1440P monitors).

[@Cookiedough101]

Can always wait for mods to make frame gen work on series under 4000 gpus

[@theSkarekro]

Really hate this trend. Depending on FG/Upscaling is so lazy

[@albert2006xp]

Nobody is forcing you to enable FG and as for upscaling that's just part of the power of GPUs now.

[@K.R.98]

@@albert2006xp I my opinion it should be a nice extra to get 240fps instead of 100fps. Big fps numbers improve the experience big time, so in my opinion it isn’t really suitable to push it from 30 to 60. (with such low base fps the downsides of the tech just becomes too obvious)

[@erikbritz8095]

yup, this is why im not supporting much of the new games i focus on older titles as their more fun and don't need a $2500 plus pc to just work.

[@lamikal2515]

@@albert2006xp ...until you realise the resolution you can only run current-year games with your 2000 bucks top-of-the-line GPU is 640x480...but at this point it will be too late... the shaft will be completely inside your back-end. You should react, because for now, it's just the tip. For now...

[@claxcz]

@@albert2006xpway to go to support devs being lazy in optimizing games, it would be okay/understandable to use frame gen in 4k or higher resolution but no that game requires you to run FG to achieve 60fps on 1080p reso. Thats absolutely unacceptable.

[@Ruinya]

Yes, can't wait to play MH, 1080p 60 @ medium on my 4K OLED with frame gen for all that extra latency on a game that heavily relies on dodge timings, honestly bravo developers

[@alanliang9538]

so you can afford 4k OLED but cant to get a decent card

[@LeoEichdi]

@@alanliang9538 Yeah, he should buy a 4090 to play 1440p 60hz with FG enabled on medium.

[@NineS5]

@@alanliang9538 4k OLED is worth the money. a 70 class card is not worth €900. You need a 4080 to have an enjoyable experience in this game, thats ridiculous.

[@ssduo5574]

@@alanliang9538 Cooked😭

[@christophermullins7163]

​@@alanliang9538he didn't say what he had.. don't assume. With a game this heavy I am sure a 4090 won't do 4k 60 at remotely high settings. Good thing is games in 2024 are look great at medium etc.

[@petyavodolaz]

Imagine targeting 30 fps at 1080p in 2024 lmao

[@DD-to5ig]

They might be appealing to NEETs with toasters but those same people won't be dropping $75 on a video game.

[@gorillagroddgaming]

@@DD-to5igBased NEETs aren’t playing slop hunter

[@PREDATEURLT]

Next gen experience, insane thing is that PS3 and xbox 360 in 2006 was targeting the same res and FPS.

[@ImSaixe]

it's actually 30fps at 720p in windowed mode. upscaling most of the time looks garbage as hell. capcom really fucked up their biggest money maker. like did they forget that people played this game for its gameplay and not the graphics? fuck is their target audience?

[@PREDATEURLT]

@@ImSaixe Those 5 people with 4090.

[@Teh-Penguin]

At this speed, it will be much quicker for the 4090 than the 7 years it took for 1080ti-class-cards to be called a recommended speck.

[@igm1571]

After see this, 1080ti is literally a legend and maybe in the future we will see a 4090 struggle in 1080p soon 😂

[@lamikal2515]

A 4090 is already in the honest "recommended" specs... because it is effectively the only GPU that can run current-year AAA games at 1440p native at more than 60FPS stable.

[@Teh-Penguin]

@@igm1571 1080ti was indeed legendary. Some say nVidia will never make that mistake again.

[@niebuhr6197]

Because gamers are ignorant by default and cant analyze anything. 2016-2020 was the most peaceful time for computer graphics ever. An absolute anomaly: super weak consoles + next gen slowed down for historic worldwide reasons. It greatly reduced the growth in compute requirements. Now is a different era, requirements increase greatly and gpus last much less time without struggling.

[@Cblan1224]

As long as it's due to graphics improving and not bad optimization, I'm ok with recommended specs going up. They've been extremely low in recent years

[@KeiGGR]

All I want is 1440p high 60FPS. I can't believe I need a 1000$ GPU just to achieve that AND I need Upscaling + Frame generation...

[@kkrolik2106]

$1500 GPU or new gen $1999 released in few monhts

[@leonidasvonsparta]

1080p ftw

[@HanSolo__]

It means the game company does not want to invest more money into its game. It's not a real need for a $1000 or $2000 graphics card. They don't want to pay a lot but they want to earn. It is business for them. Nothing more. They pay as much attention to design as they would to selling potatoes.

[@deamooz9810]

All games should run at 60fps 1080p with a 4060/6700xt without frame gen, seriously

[@kkrolik2106]

@@deamooz9810 Not all some games need 12GB Vram buffer to not have blurry textures at 1080P, Vram optimisation extending game production without any benefit for gameplay

[@Efsaaneh]

The requirements are up but the quality is down, take me back to 2016

[@albert2006xp]

Have fun, I'll stay in 2024 where games look ten times better.

[@phaserush1024]

@@albert2006xp 10 times better requires 30x the hardware at 720fps low 30 frames per second with frame generation HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAH

[@shutitfukface]

@@phaserush1024 Did you take your pills today?

[@sanginezzz]

​@@albert2006xp "10 times better" only if you consider a minimal graphics improvement for 10 times more demanding performance lol

[@albert2006xp]

@@phaserush1024 No. FPS is still the same, image is clearer with DLDSR+DLSS than it ever was with garbage like MSAA.

[@TJones4L]

We will definitely be looking forward to the benchmark video ! Be on the lookout for the demo to release a bit before the game launches ✌🏽

[@Jason_Bover9000]

Will there be a demo for this game

[@iitzfizz]

Was just speaking about this with my friend this morning, we were talking about God of War and he was saying he appreciated being able to use FG on his 3070 and he said that he hopes they don't use it to not optimise games or as a crutch and I said that's already happening with upscaling where requirements have an asterisk saying "with upscaling" and now with monster hunter they're actually doing exactly what we were discussing and showing the requirements but with a caveat of now you have to use FG. The fact that you have to use medium settings and FG at 1080p medium to obtain 60fps is insane.

[@WutherWave-qc3ud]

Not a pc gamer I don’t understand what’s so bad? Just play in lower settings? Or am I missing something. Please teach me for reals. I’m still going console for mh but what’s happening with gpu market. Isn’t it normal to upgrade parts every few years or this is something else entirely when it comes to pcs?

[@SCYN0]

@@WutherWave-qc3ud PC players often pay good money to have better performance. But nowdays with upscaling and frame generation Developers see it as a tool to be lazy and dont optimize the game the way they would have without these technologies. Frame gen and upsacling cost image quality and produce weird artifacts. but without them they game isnt playable at the recommended settings. 60fps native 1080p should ALWAYS be the target for recommended settings and everything else is a bonus

[@thetechrealist]

@@WutherWave-qc3udThe market has been terrible for graphics cards so there’s little to no upgrading. Also, turn down the settings? At 1080p medium? With frame gen (a feature that can only be utilized by any 4000 series gpu)? Turn it down to 720 medium or highish? For RECOMMENDED SETTINGS? You’re insane

[@uther10]

Wow. Unoptimized to hell. Great call out in this video.

[@jonathand827]

I saw it on twitter first, wario64 posted it.

[@lharsay]

It's wierd how bad the Resident Evil engine got considering the RE8 is even running on an iPhone.

[@Jason_Bover9000]

​@@lharsayits because this game is open world

[@thetechrealist]

@@Jason_Bover9000That’s such a shut reason…

[@GREG_WHEREISTHEMAYO]

After the intro I was gonna dislike until my brain was like “its not his fault, don’t shoot the messenger”

[@GREG_WHEREISTHEMAYO]

The rage blinded me

[@JQ86]

Man this is going to make MHW basically DOA for most people for like...the next 3 years.

[@OTBASH]

I was looking forward to February, but after this? Looks like it might be February of the FOLLOWING year if they don't fix this god awful performance issue this game is going to have.

[@LuciusVulpes]

Just like World when it released lmao. The performance was so bad on that one.

[@leonidasvonsparta]

@@LuciusVulpes i could run world to release with an fx6300 1080p with medium settings on 30´ísh frames idk what u are talking about. only problem was the connection errors.

[@LuciusVulpes]

@@leonidasvonsparta Your bar on what you consider good performance is really low, then.

[@Dregomz02]

@@LuciusVulpes It was bad but nowhere near as Wild bad. I had drops to 30-40 but it was hovering around 50-60 most of the time.

[@raymondstewart3350]

It's so insane that developers are pursuing visuals at the sake of performance when the difference between "ugly" and "jaw-dropping" has never been smaller.

[@nappygrimm6411]

Dawg it's not devs every time a dev gets to make proper choices, their games run on couculaters, some big wigs heard Ray tracing as a buzz word and started to bitch like always

[@ImSaixe]

open world was the mistake. i don't think the visuals had anything to do with its terrible performance. engine is probably garbage at culling far objects. to run it at stable fps it'll probably have a meme level of object popping.

[@Littahe]

Using frame gen to reach 60fps feels worse than just having it turned off. I wonder if they even tested what they put on this chart.

[@CoCo.-_-]

From what I have seen, they go by the weakest system that is kinda up to date they have access to test on in house, but this is a massive studio so really they should be able to test more Indepth

[@HanSolo__]

@@CoCo.-_- Not optimized games are not "untested" or made by "lazy" devs. Optimization costs money. It's not the job of a tester or a dev to decide if optimization will be paid. Investors, producers, management - they decide. The bigger the company the more cost cuts it can throw at consumers.

[@Ragingkimmy]

This took all my excitment away

[@erikbritz8095]

this scares me for Doom dark ages.

[@Radek494]

@@erikbritz8095 Doom will run much better, it's on id Tech engine.

[@theoutsider0724]

​@@erikbritz8095Doom eternal was insanely well optimized, I hope TDA will be the same. I don't think they changed the engine.

[@erikbritz8095]

@@theoutsider0724 im hoping for that too but im worried fam.

[@ivancouto1028]

Cope and deal with it. Next gen games gonna demand a lot so get used to it.

[@DavidAlfredoGuisado]

When you rely the performance of your game on some AI interpolated frames then of course the fans will think that optimization was never a priority during development.

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Well, so much for re engine being well optimised...

[@Radek494]

These days are over since DD2

[@Krasgov]

Well atleast PC has access to FPS optimisation mods.

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

@@Radek494 yeah but this is the nail in the coffin

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

@@Krasgov what are these "fps optimisation mods" you speak of?

[@黄衣の王-k7d]

⁠@@Gustaviustwinkelberryit means the modder will make a “ Optimise patch-esque “ if Capcom won't fix the damn thing

[@Almadeuz]

Wilds requirements are kinda wild

[@qdpqbp]

situation is crazy

[@jillvalentinedontcryformea8966]

Or buy a ps5 or ps5 pro

[@PREDATEURLT]

@@jillvalentinedontcryformea8966 They started to refresh these consoles every 2 years and now they are 700-800$+, not much better than buying new GPU at the same pace.

[@Gunner12v]

Devs need to be held accountable for optimization, Upscaling and FRAME GENERATION should not be needed to have an enjoyable experience. Its disgusting don't buy into those games.

[@Cptraktorn]

RE engine is just terrible for large scale and ray tracing it seems. I think the engine fooled a lot of people because all the resident evil games have very small sets, few objects and enemies around.

[@pian-0g445]

@@Cptraktornwell yeah, the RE engine was built around RE. They seem to be making a long term planning on making the engine good for open worlds as well, considering their next big RE has been leaked to have an open world. Can only hope they’ve optimised it by then

[@CoCo.-_-]

​@@pian-0g445they have made massive improvements to dd2 since launch, it is actually running well since the recent update, but realistically they should have released it now, for example my performance in the cpu limited cities has nearly 2x increase in performance and the stuttering is nearly completely gone, while I also find the rt global illumination to be really light compared to other games that use rt

[@gustavoalmeida1579]

The trending of adding ray tracing to games is really damaging the industry. We would be better off with higher quality textures and proper HDR implementation.

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

100% agree and both of these things are free in terms of performance, textures just need vram and hdr just requires hdr capable display

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Lame tracing is heavy and visual difference IS NOT WORTH IT

[@CoCo.-_-]

Still seems way too demanding, they would need to be using path tracing or something, as dragons dogma 2 ray tracing is nowhere near as demanding

[@buggerlugz6753]

ray tracing isn't worth the paper its written on.

[@HanSolo__]

It's not about ray tracing. It's about ludicrous profit margins on games and graphics cards. RTX 4090 does not cost $1000 to make so it needs to be sold for $1500. The same thing is happening with high-scale projects in gaming. We are not in 30% or 60% levels of profits anymore. We are in 3x - 4x areas. That's an insane market and there is a lot of money in it. Us, not having fps or ray tracing is the risk they are willing to take.

[@JustAnotherAccount8]

Never thought I'd need frame generation to run a game at 1080p 60fps 1 year after building my pc... 1080p MEDIUM! There is NO reason why a game should require FG on such a high end system (High end in terms of price). Capcom has been on a losing streak for a while, I was hoping MH:W would be their saving grace... but even if the game is good, I cannot in good faith support this level of calculated incompetence.

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Resident evil 4 remake with balanced settings runs at 100-165 at 1080p native for me now iam looking at 1080p 30 fps with medium settings what happened?? 😂😂😂😂

[@BBBerti]

What are u waffling about? I agree the system requirements suck but capcom has been on a winning streak for years now. Monster hunter World was great, Monster Hunter Rise was amazing, so was DMC 5 and the recent Resident Evil titles too. Dragon's Dogma 2 was the only game that was not a hit for multiple reasons

[@Kumoiwa]

4060/6700XT has never been high end what are you smoking

[@JustAnotherAccount8]

@@Kumoiwa did the brackets elude you?

[@ssduo5574]

I was waiting for this video ever since I saw the system requirements

[@JohnSmithWesson]

"bro c'mon everyone has Core Ultra 9 285K + RTX 5080 Super + 4TB NVMe SSD"

[@UnsettlingDwarf]

Yeah Tf just stop being a broke scrub and upgrade to the 6080 and 11800x3d

[@Kumoiwa]

Ryzen 5500 is less than 100 bucks and RTX4060 is less than 300. A decent PC above these specs would cost you less than 1000, around the same as PS5 Pro. Games aren't going to run forever on a 1080ti

[@Medstudent2024]

​​​@@Kumoiwamy nega these recommended req are for medium grapfix+frame gen+upscaling to acheive just 60 fps at 1080p?😂😂 are u comedy me😂??

[@WutherWave-qc3ud]

@@Medstudent2024I think it’s pretty good.. then again the only game series I follow or would upgrade for is mh. Is 60 fps bad in the pc gaming world? Isn’t that just .. basic fps?

[@strawberrysundaes]

@@Kumoiwa I think the joke went right above your head.

[@Kaanu-vm7vc]

Yeah it's really surprising Capcom didn't learn from the DD2 blunder. Aww man I was so looking forward to this....

[@massterwushu9699]

It’s be optimized about a year after release and you can pick it up for a discount. Play something else, it ain’t that serious

[@Kaanu-vm7vc]

@@massterwushu9699 It's about as serious as this kind of thing can be but I get your point. Haven't beaten the other titles yet anyway so ig I'll get to that lol.

[@massterwushu9699]

@@Kaanu-vm7vc There you go!! I picked up MH World a couple months back for $7. Amazing game. I totally understand how they were able to sell 25 million copies.

[@schmuwu]

Everybody that did not complete the Wii u version of mh3u on hardware, is not allowed to complain about input lag.

[@nabieladrian]

Series S gonna run this like PowerPoint 💀💀💀

[@Opoliner]

Pre-watch comment: Capcom showed with Dragon's Dogma 2 that they will never optimize their games correctly smh

[@raymondstewart3350]

They optimized the resident evil games. But they've been awful for two straight games now

[@Opoliner]

​@@raymondstewart3350like Daniel was saying, I think it has something to do with the open world. Resident evil 8 was not great at launch, even with he DRM removed

[@CoCo.-_-]

​@@Opoliner dd2 got a massive improvement with the recent update this past week for the cpu demand, it has close to 2x my fps in cities and stuttering is gone, I don't understand how monster hunter wilds can be that much more demanding when the npc zones with be nowhere near as complex as dd2

[@Kumoiwa]

​@@CoCo.-_-MH maps and enemies are much more complex than anything DD2 does

[@cakestealer5983]

Idk they have a pretty damn good engine that’s definitely proven to be scalable so I don’t know what the fuck they’re doing to have these issues.

[@BatteryBee]

I also don't understand this from an artistic perspective. Capcom will spend potentially $100m, plus thousands of man-hours to craft this game in their vision - yet they undermine this effort by using blurry upscaling and/or laggy Frame Generation. Do the talented artists who create these games not care that their careful attention to detail is being obscured by vaseline image quality? Are the gameplay designers not bothered that their control and animation refinements are being dragged down by horrible input lag? Upscaling and FG are supposed to widen the performance options for PC & Console players - not be used as a crutch for weak optimisation 😮‍💨

[@itsaUSBline]

The talented artists who make these games aren't in charge. It doesn't make sense from an artistic perspective because these kinds of things come from the businesspeople in charge who don't know the first thing about games, and only know how to make lines on a chart go up to keep shareholders happy.

[@ConsiderbeBased]

Ohh Boy. So, MHW is running @ 720p on PS5 with FSR to get 1440p @ 30 FPS? Its wild how they make games nowadays. (we dont optimize we use FSR, DLSS, FG etc) 😂

[@RyanRoberts-qf5et]

and even with ddls and fg you still need a 4090. gaming has been a joke for a few years now. so many games have been unplayable from launch due to optimization, I paid extra money to play hogwarts 3 days early and couldn't play the game until a month after release when they finally fixed some performance issues...which it still has.

[@danield.7359]

too bad for them when they reduce their addressable market. Games look the same since about 10 years, and still we need to upgrade every two years.

[@NineS5]

RDR 2, Battlefield 1 etc still look great today and run beautifully. These newer games don't look any better whilst having double the requirements. Not to mention how everything looks out of place as if the games are made with a free asset pack.

[@comfywizard]

Reminds me of the hidden tessellation incident back in the day lol

[@dilbophagginz]

@@NineS5 That's what happens when talentless devs use unreal engine for everything

[@EseIzan98]

That's Wild indeed

[@Zerobrofan]

Wow, I remember playing MHW @ 1080p High with a stable 60+ fps on my GTX 1070. No scaling, no nothing, a clear image with minimal latency. Nowadays, I can't even play games like GOW Ragnaork, Ghost of Tsushima, or Black Myth Wukong above 40 fps Low. And these games don't look any better than these older games. Frame Gen and Upscaling are intended to "help" with low specs and to reach specific fps goals, not as an excuse for lazy optimization.

[@Kumoiwa]

The 1070 is not going to run games forever. Get a 4070 Super.

[@strawberrysundaes]

Real talk, it's time to put the 1070 in the bin. I'm sorry.

[@Yes917]

After dd2, this is exactly what i expected from capcom. We really need to start voting with our wallets. Its almost comical how bad game optimization is getting.

[@SeekNeo]

People are already preordering this like crazy, they have no idea

[@Kumoiwa]

​@@SeekNeoI'm going to preorder because I bought a 4080 just to play this game

[@Smiley_Guy-ut3vn]

@@SeekNeo it’s monster hunter, the game may run like shit but I and many others love these games. Plus console players like myself don’t really need to worry about this. Just seeing what you pc players need to get in order to run this game. Good luck!

[@RizzodiraRizzukku]

​@Smiley_Guy-ut3vn it will still run poorly on consoles too i imagine and this is coming from a console player.

[@SeekNeo]

@@Smiley_Guy-ut3vn it will run at 30 fps in your console, I'd be worried about that

[@paladin8669]

Was waiting for this after seeing the specs.

[@Two49]

It's crazy because outside of some minor issues, MH World still looks really nice and runs on almost anything these days. Meanwhile Wilds is recommending a $800+ PC build just to hit 1080p.

[@BleedingMem0ry]

$800+ pc? Try more like over $1000 just for the gpu, let alone with other components on top of that. Games in last few years have demanded pcs of 2000$ and above to run at mediocre performance on 1080p/1440p which is absolutely idiotic. All the fault of shortcuts in development (no optimization whatsoever, just slapping dlss/fsr requirement to even run) and people enabling that behavior by actually buying those games and showing them that they are okay with getting fucked in the ass.

[@AntiGrieferGames]

@@BleedingMem0ry For this reason, get future hardware after years of release, to run those unoptimized games at playable state....

[@ooringe378]

It's a 6 year old game of course it'll run well on todays hardware. I do remember back in the day people whining how terrible MH Worlds AA solutions were and still are today. 6 years ago you needed a beast of a machine to hold 60fps in worlds. The reality is hardware prices are inflated today and games are incorporating ever more demanding graphical effects like global illumination and ray tracing with dimishing returns in graphics fedelity but thats the direction the games industry is heading. Either play on low and hope it'll run well, stick to consoles or suck it up and pay up for the hardware, or don't play these games and watch the AAA games die and just play indie or old titles instead.

[@BleedingMem0ry]

@@ooringe378 Yeah, I'm enjoying great indie games. I'm happy to give those developers the money they deserve for their great work, unlike these so called "AAA companies" with their bloated 150gb "games" and inflated 120$ price tags that no game can justify, not even the actual legendary games we once had, much less the modern crap we get these days.

[@BleedingMem0ry]

@@AntiGrieferGames I agree. And when their price tag actually resembles the quality, which is 5-6$ that they end up costing few years after release.

[@r.yildiran]

Finally happening, developers start to using benefits of FG too without any try to optimize their game for make you can run the game on 60 fps. Same thing happened after DLSS and FSR released. Thank you NVIDIA, all this happened because of you, because of your endless greed.

[@HanSolo__]

Again, devs don't decide what is used to cut costs. Managers and investors do.

[@HanSolo__]

CP 2077 does not need frame generating for medium 1080p 60FPS with any of said cards. Do they have better graphics than CP 2077? I don't think so.

[@Sp3cialk304]

This game will look better than high settings raster Cyberpunk. It won't look better than ultra settings with path tracing Cyberpunk.

[@Dregomz02]

MH Wilds doesn't even need to render 20% of those things you see on the CP2077 screen while driving through the city. Modern devs are just pathetic.

[@JohnSmith-ro8hk]

@@Dregomz02 show us what you can do internet know it all

[@MysteriousStranger50]

Bootlicker is big mad lol

[@ume-f5j]

@@Sp3cialk304 With a 4060, one could easily run 1080p RT Ultra CP2077 with much higher framerates. So this game will not only look worse than RT Ultra Cyberpunk, but will run considerably worse.

[@Kapono5150]

Frame Gen does NOT increase performance. Its pretty common for gamers to say it does

[@shayanali8771]

I am all for no scaling and frame generation to get optimized games, but telling that frame generation does not increase performance is false. It adds performance but with a big latency penalty and few visual artifacts.

[@Dregomz02]

Yeah it decreases it since you need to use GPU power to render those fake frames + increase input lag.

[@IntegerOfDoom]

Generating frames is not "adding performance"​@@shayanali8771

[@CoCo.-_-]

​@@shayanali8771it does not add performance, it adds frames in between real frames, it's not just extra performance, as extra performance has no downsides

[@TheLiznaith]

​@@shayanali8771frame generation does not increase or add performance. It's not even relatively close to having performance benefits at all. Frame generation if done correctly makes games look smoother by inserting interpolated frames in between rasterized frames.

[@marktackman2886]

Frame Generation is basically a technology made for developers as a hold over until further patches after release improve performance. The retaining wall of graphics.

[@Jaykurosakii]

A 11600k as a minimum. My 12700k will be on a requirements list soon

[@johnconnor5124]

it's in recommended, but yeah, it seems like Daniel was right and it's more cpu limited than gpu, because 6/12 CPU's listed in minimum (except for 12100 which performs around 6 core CPU's in minimal list)

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Iam on minimum because of my 6 gig rtx 3060 laptop

[@Dregomz02]

It won't 12700k is vastly superior than PS5 Poor CPU.

[@jochenkraus7016]

I think my RX6600 was already in minimum requirements area for Alan Wake 2. But my Ryzen 2600 BELOW(!) minimum, ouch.

[@smakfu1375]

The problem isn’t a “cpu bottleneck” it’s an engine threading bottleneck. In many cases, older engines have limited or inefficient thread partitioning and synchronization between rendering threads, responsible for controlling the various rendering loop passes that are issuing instructions (fixed function and shader programs) as part of the visual pipeline, and threads responsible for game world and object graph state. To scale across multiple CPU threads to keep the GPU pipelines fed, you have to do a lot of careful and granular thread synchronization that’s incredibly sensitive to cascading latency injection (e.g. stall on one thread stalls a bunch of others due to locks). This is why game engines are exceedingly cache sensitive as the more dependent shared data can be maintained in low-latency memory, the less chance of a stall waiting for fetches from main memory. The issue with older engines is they were never optimized for 8+ threads looping over huge object counts while maintaining 60fps minimum. You can pile in all the fancy shaders and scene details you want, and the GPU will happily spit out beautiful results, but if those onscreen objects are interactive and need interacting state management, you’ll quickly find yourself thread bound if the engine (and your code using said engine) doesn’t have an appropriate scheme for threading and synchronizing those operations. To make matters worse, you end up in a nasty feedback cycle of update queues, deferred updates, etc., where in busy high interaction scenarios, frame rates will plunge. And there’s nothing you can do about it without either scaling back the object count or reworking the engine (which will lead to a cascade of game code and design changes). This stuff is seriously “non-trivial” to address, which is why engine development has become increasingly specialized over the past 15 years. It’s also why you see studios dropping their own in-house engines, because the engineering required to overcome these challenges has to be decoupled from the rest of game development. Furthermore, when building a game, you really need to select the engine carefully based on capabilities, and not be hemmed in by “it’s our in-house engine, no licensing required” type thinking, or you run the risk of ambitious design leading to a need to use crutches like frame generation. To be clear, it’s not “optimization” in the traditional sense that’s the problem. Companies are continuing to use engines that are simply not up to the task of what the game designers are asking of them. To put it another way, these engines are simply obsolete. The problem is that a well intended GPU feature now allows for papering over these problems, which really is concerning. Where upscaling helped reduce GPU pipeline contention, frame generation literally inserts frames. The intent with frame generation was to smooth out frame pacing and generation, not address obsolete engines being asked to do more than they’re capable of. Gamers AND game developers should absolutely push back on this nonsense.

[@AjaySharma-bm5mb]

Capcom L

[@Efsaaneh]

After dd2 and drdr I'm starting to believe they are frauds

[@HanSolo__]

Yes, that's L for them.

[@Dregomz02]

Common crapcum L

[@agav2345]

I'm currently playing all the older MH Games, currently in MH4U. Maybe once im finishe with all the older titles i will be able to buy a 4090 to run wilds at 60fps on 1080P

[@Micchi-]

woke capcom L

[@squisherderheld]

The lag really hits hard because the newest frame has to held back to generate the intermediate frame and then held back further until that generated frame is displayed. So for your whole input we are around 50ms lag when the base fps is 30. That’s wild crap

[@IntegerOfDoom]

Pretty bad when latency is the MOST important factor for games.

[@TheIndulgers]

FG is a blight on the gaming industry. Basically motion blur with extra steps. I want minimal input latency, not more 🤦🏻 Edit: normalize FG being called “image insertion”. There is no input data for the image, so it shouldn’t be called a frame.

[@shutitfukface]

Nah, you need a gf and a job.

[@BrotherO4]

Frame Gen, Upscalers are a fucking blight.

[@sujimayne]

*Both frame-generation and upscaling reduce your latency.* Yes, both inherently add more latency just by the virtue of being an extra processing step in the GPU pipeline... HOWEVER, the FPS gains outweigh the processing cost by an astronomical margin, which, ultimately, reduces latency.

[@sujimayne]

Expecting intelligent takes from unshowered sewer-occopuying masses that swarm KZbin comments is a bit much these days

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Cry then both of you. You can't blame your favourite game devs for abusing these techs and not optimizing their trash so blame the core technology instead. Big brain indeed. You don't want them don't use them. Which I can tell you haven't lmao because no frame gen when used properly adds motion blur. The whole point of frame gen is to increase motion clarity 🤣🤣🤣

[@ryujigames2509]

We, Dragon Dogma fans, warned you. We warned you that DD2 is a test for MHW and the performance will be worse than DD2 even

[@Ji-Ichayan]

Man I recently got introduced to Monster hunter, finished the base world and doing Iceborn now. I was really excited about this game. I have a rtx3070 laptop and dude I was expecting 1440p High 60fps with DLSS. What the hell is this...... am depressed, I need to lie down.

[@SeekNeo]

At least you have a 3070, I have a 1060 3gb, THAT is depression

[@Ji-Ichayan]

@@SeekNeo Aaaa fine you win...... Still, it doesn't change the fact that I'll have to probably run it 720p low setting to get 60fps without this frame generation BS.

[@SeekNeo]

@@Ji-Ichayan with DLSS/FSR you might be fine

[@Ji-Ichayan]

@@SeekNeo well they are saying 60 with frame gen. So won't keep my hopes up. If it works good else ill buy it when it becomes at least half price.

[@Kumoiwa]

Play the older ones on emulator they're a lot of fun too

[@MamoMark]

I think it's possible that its listed like this because people were mad when Dragon's Dogma 2 recommended spec was for 30fps. I think the text just saying 60fps on the sheet helped appease the lamen. If I play this, I will just cap it to 30fps...

[@samgragas8467]

If a game is running at 35-40 FPS at 1080p medium, just use upscaling and low settings. FG below 60 FPS will look way worse than that.

[@Radek494]

Indeed would rather use DLSS Quality on lower settings than FG

[@EjayT06]

Yeah people think FG is some magic cure when it’s really not, only works well if you already have a decent base of raw frames.

[@sjones72751]

I'd be interested to see benchmarks on this, not because I'm interested in the game, but because I agree with your assessment and am curious how close to actuality that it ends up being.

[@adriantovias8681]

I always have this issue with new monster hunter games, i either cant run it or i dont have the system for it lol.

[@Leviathan7777]

meaning they optimize it later?

[@ktvx.94]

When the requirements are wilder than the monsters

[@ahmadmahdee007]

Tf, 60FPS with frame gen enabled, what a load of BS.

[@hyperixz]

2029: 12 fps (with Frame Generation enabled)

[@dingickso4098]

They probably use 1 million polygon for the leaf as well.

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@schikey2076]

seeing how bad DD2 was optimized (the NPC hogging all the CPU resources) .. this aint surprising lol.

[@Circleglide]

Daniel coming in hot with the the good stuff

[@erikbritz8095]

*nah the devs need to start fixing this shit i see more people not buy or play games cause of the insane pc requirements needed i did this in 2022 now i see others follow suite sad days*

[@Alovon]

TBF feel this could be more CPU-Related than GPU related. Recall DD2's CPU needs. So them adding FSR3.1 to have FG for any card would be a thing to help them get it to visible 60 frames.

[@6FootVampire]

Capcom and Sony just hitting L after L time after time. They are Rick Rolling us

[@massterwushu9699]

Capcom has taken almost ZERO Ls in the past decade. WTF are you even talking about? Minster Hunter World sold more copies than Elden Ring. Get over yourself

[@6FootVampire]

@@massterwushu9699 Dragons Dogma 2 performance (L) PC specs released for MH Wilds Rx 6700 Xt + 3600X for 1080p Medium settings WITH frame generation so fake frames to hit 60 fps (second L) Thats 2 Ls - i said L after L, YOU however randomly talk a decade back for no reason other than you couldnt understand my comment. Dont do an iQ test, better for you not knowing.

[@massterwushu9699]

@@6FootVampire You’re the one talking out your **s ! DD2 sold 3 million copies in 2 weeks and MH Wilds hasn’t been released….But considering MH World sold 25 MILLION copies, i’m sure Capcom’s not too worried about future sales . Where’s the L homie?

[@6FootVampire]

@@massterwushu9699 the Ls are the performance of the games, not sales. If DD2 didnt have all the performance issues it could sell 9 million first 2 weeks, thats an L The high requirements for MH Wilds hitting 1080p medium WITH FSR is the other L If you dont understand thats ok, logic isnt for everyone. Keep talking about sales, thats easy to understand: Many sales = Many good (ungabunga)

[@TrollingJar]

That better be the best looking medium setting I've ever seen.

[@techmist8034]

Uncharted 4 and the Witcher 3 are almost 10 years old and they crush the games that are yet to be released in performance and graphics. Nowadays we get blurry stupid graphics that requires a flagship to run.

[@Extreme96PL]

Because now games use TAA or upscalers.

[@hitsukora]

Its over. Honestly, this whole Upscaling/FrameGen trend should have never started. Just enables Devs to get lazier and lazier, instead of its intended purpose, helping lower end PCs. I got a 7900GRE and am playing on 1440p. From this it looks like I will need FrameGen. Why did I even buy a 550€ GPU? Not talking about how bad FSR looks in some games. FSR and FrameGen even worse. Pathetic.

[@hridayawesomeheart9477]

FG is weird, u need at least 60fps to use it effectively but u don't need FG at 60+

[@xfrankenstein6981]

instead of Frame Gen giving NEW life to older GPUs and help increase their life cycle it is being used as a crutch to save time/money by not optimizing games properly, instead of it being a choice its being made a necessity. feel like developers focusing on console versions of games rather than PC versions in recent years due to exclusivity war led to this point in time where PC is always getting the short end of the stick while having the biggest market.

[@ThanhThanh-it1pm]

we need to buy high end card to play game at medium setting

[@MrHorst38]

I'm a huge mh fan and wanted to buy this game on release. But after this I'm seriously reconsidering, fck Capcom.

[@Kumoiwa]

You're not a real fan then

[@MrHorst38]

​@@KumoiwaBite me.

[@randomguy9471]

@@Kumoiwa he is a fan. He’s not a stupid fan like you tho

[@Kumoiwa]

@@randomguy9471 If he was a fan he would see these requirements are not that far off of current gen games ike FFXVI or GoW Ragnarok. People are just going crazy because Capcom mentioned Frame Generation on the sheet.

[@tapwaterandhairstraighteners]

@@Kumoiwa so real fan means being a corporate shill? ironic with a lain pfp bro. real mh fans at this point should be praying for a switch back to the old artstyle. World is abolutely repulsive looking when trying to run over 60fps on a fairly new setup, and this will look even worse.

[@FATBOY_.]

LOL

[@Malisteen]

I'm trying to help my younger bro get a starter rig together to make the jump to pc gaming with wilds, and the reliance on upscaling and framegen means these minimum/recommended recommendations give me very little sense of the minimum hardware we'll actually need to target to be able to run the game reasonably (ie 1080p 60fps native on medium settings).

[@flisboac]

Please, absolutely do run benchmarks on Wilds, please! I'm eager to play this game in multiplayer (PC), but I'm worried that some of my friends won't be able to play due to the high specs.

[@Chuckl33]

Daniel! Get "Dark Reader" to stop the flashbangs

[@lordofdrones]

Dark Reader addon in your browser. Get it, now!

[@Zinkhal1]

would love to see benchmarks from you there :D

[@blaznpookie]

Yes, please run benchmarks on this game. Monster Hunter World sold insanely well, so this is most likely a highly anticipated game. This news made me sad, but it's still the game I'm most excited to play

[@praisetheoak]

At first I thought these were minimum requirement settings and thought that they weren't so bad, but I just realized that these are the RECOMMENDED settings, at 1080p / 30fps with FG to 60fps. YIKES

[@volatilelyle5170]

I actually think the GPU can hit 60fps. I think this might be due to CPU limitation. The PS5 CPU is very similar to the Ryzen 3600 which is in the recommended requirements. I wish they could have state what it would take to get 60fps without FG. Edit: Just got to the end and Daniel mentioned the same thing

[@Sp3cialk304]

They should have listed the 6800xt and 3080 with upscaling and without frame gen for the recommended specs like most games in the past year have.

[@UnsettlingDwarf]

That shouldn’t be recommended specs. Optimize the freaking game.

[@Sp3cialk304]

@@UnsettlingDwarf It is for most current gen only games. The PS4 generation getting its life extended by global events really spoiled people. We typically see a jump in requirements when a new generation comes out. Image trying to run 2016 games on a gtx 770 or 760.

[@FaultBat]

They're relying on frame generation now, but the GPU manufacturers still haven't fixed the terrible screen tearing that happens when you have frame gen enabled, much less the latency and artifacts that I don't think can even be fixed. What a dark time we're entering for PC gaming.

[@MaxIronsThird]

The 12400 is way stronger than the 3600X, it's more like a 5700X. The 3600X is more comparable to the 12100 or the 10400. 12100/3600X/5500/10400 10600K/11400/5600X 12400/11600K/5700X

[@ksw8514]

Oh no, I was really looking forward to this game.

[@OutrageousPudding]

1080p Frame Gen at 60FPS on medium? Kind of insane, definitely could optimise it.

[@dagameboy]

That title cutoff is something else lmao

[@paladin8669]

Yeah I would like to see benchmark for MH Wilds. I personally have a rx 6600 so seeing how it performs on other GPU would be nice.

[@generalarl]

Close to 200K now😁

[@MenstalHelp]

This is Capcoms biggest game. This is unacceptable, they need to throw humans at this game and completely ignore Series S if that's what is hurting everyone else.

[@jamesg7456]

I knew this day would come.

[@Thunderhawk51]

The end (of PC gaming) is nigh. 💀

[@gruiadevil]

Bet it's the Denuvo DRM again acting up And in some areas, it drops to like 26 FPS (just like in DD2), therefore, you need FG to keep a constant 60, even on pretty powerful CPU-s.

[@WrexBF]

I miss the good old days when high system requirements meant good graphics. I guarantee you that game will look just like any other blurry TAA modern game.

[@RolanTHUNDER]

This is alarming. The hardware you mentioned (save for the lower end GTX1660, etc) are more than capable of delivering of a great, smooth experience. You must benchmark the game when it releases. The game looks so good it'd be a shame if it's plagued with issues like DD2 was/is at launch.

[@haukionkannel]

No problem. Just buy new low end gpu aka 5090 to play 1080p! 😂

[@loonysam506]

Basically unplayable without FG. Great work 👍

[@CoCo.-_-]

Dragons dogma 2 isn't even that demanding and it's using the same engine they even look similar graphically, and with the fixes dd2 just had with the recent update it is now miles better in cities with lots of npcs that I have close to 2x the fps in the cities with no stutter, I don't see how monster hunter wilds is that much more demanding

[@Cptraktorn]

a lot of people were coping and hoping Wilds wouldnt follow Dragons dogma 2 in performance, but of course it would.

[@prem3548]

60 FPS Frame-Gen? Capcom has lost it. Now the 10 fps in the trailer makes sense.

[@Akmpkm32]

i didn't expect such unoptimized games from a well reputed japanese brand

[@javier3429]

Having played Rise, I'd expect this game to be a somewhat "turn-based" action game which makes a 30 fps approach enough of an excuse for them to target. I wish some other developer would take the monster hunter concept and adapt it to a more modern action game genre.

[@Jojo_Tolentino]

Me who started with PS2 MonHun: "Finally, I can relive the 480i/p glory" DD2 was CPU demanding. Struggled with my 5600 but mitigated with 5700X3D and somehow my 12450HX laptop did better than my 5600? Looks like MH Wilds will also use that NPC/entity/actor tech for the monsters that was heavy on calculations.

[@kingkase0079]

the only thing that should be heavy on the cpu would be all the new bigger monster herds, the npc amount and calculations should basically all be the same as before so i dont understand, also from what weve seen the game doesnt look THAT good to justify those settings however we have only seen playstation gameplay so not really a good comparison for that, we will have to wait for a pc demo

[@GaaraVII]

With the high requirements i had expect the game to look a lot better...

[@deevo2703]

Insane how graphics have mildly improved over the past few years, but the PC requirements have skyrocketed. If my 3060ti + R5 7600x cant run this at 1080p 60+ fps without framegen, ill be refunding, regardless of how much I was excited to play.

[@Typhy7]

The 12400 is considerably better than a 3600x. It has the around the same performance as a 5600x. No idea why its grouped in with the former.