Dancing Brave

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@thebay77sanfrancisco72
@thebay77sanfrancisco72 3 жыл бұрын
Greatest horse of all time,, what a machine Dancing Brave was 👏👏👏👏👏👏
@benthedo3309
@benthedo3309 4 жыл бұрын
What a horse...the arc in 86 was simply the best race I have ever seen...strongest field ever put together..he was a country mile behind coming in to the straight...there will never be a race like it or horse...fitting legacy for Pat...
@Deweycheatumnhowe
@Deweycheatumnhowe 3 жыл бұрын
Amen. 👍
@kieronbowker9983
@kieronbowker9983 Жыл бұрын
Bering the "Super Horse" was second best. When Bering started to pull away the jockey "Jumped" when DB went past. Magic.
@diesis
@diesis 4 жыл бұрын
He is the best racehorse I have seen and that includes Frankel. I was there at the Derby and everytime I watch that replay I still can't believe he was beaten. I was also there at Goodwood for his prep race for the Arc, it was one of the most incredible experiences of my life as everyone had gone there to watch his last race in England. When he went to the front everyone started clapping something I have never seen before, we all knew we were in the presence of greatness, the fact that he broke the track record in a canter says it all.
@digeme69
@digeme69 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. Frankel didn't win over 1m 4f. Dancing Brave the best I've seen
@jasonfox4857
@jasonfox4857 4 жыл бұрын
@@charlesmckinley8747 because henry cecil knew he wouldnt stay and therefore ruin his legacy when he got beaten!
@digeme69
@digeme69 4 жыл бұрын
@@charlesmckinley8747 As someone already said maybe they knew deep down that he wouldn't stay!
@hectorroca9523
@hectorroca9523 3 жыл бұрын
He should won the Derby with American jockey Mike Smith by 4 lengths
@robertdelacy3434
@robertdelacy3434 2 жыл бұрын
@@hectorroca9523 what a stupid comment
@doodles863
@doodles863 4 жыл бұрын
Greatest horse I ever saw, never see the like again.
@georgefindlay1982
@georgefindlay1982 4 жыл бұрын
THAT Derby still haunts me to this day
@doodles863
@doodles863 4 жыл бұрын
True George, although where he came from, nearly last the speed he produced in the last 2 furlongs was nothing short of incredible and to lose by a head was a travesty, if the winning line had been another 10 feet away he’d have won but in my eyes he was the winner anyway.
@billymiller4586
@billymiller4586 4 жыл бұрын
Losing the Derby then destroying the field in the Arc, my favourite 2 Dancing brave & Frankel.
@davidwills3107
@davidwills3107 4 жыл бұрын
When you see a horse of this quality you know people are easily pleased when they say enable was a great mare, she’d not get within 4 or 5 lengths of him, he was unique and brilliant.
@davidhall7905
@davidhall7905 4 жыл бұрын
the best
@catonahi
@catonahi 4 жыл бұрын
Superb documentary about the exceptional Dancing Brave..the best flat horse I’ve ever seen in 50 years of following the sport.Poor Greville Starkey..he was hung drawn and quartered..”oh so much to do”
@davidhall7905
@davidhall7905 3 жыл бұрын
greville made that horse
@robertdelacy3434
@robertdelacy3434 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidhall7905 he messed him up
@andrewduggan1018
@andrewduggan1018 3 жыл бұрын
The best horse ever
@StephenSmall-sf5um
@StephenSmall-sf5um 6 күн бұрын
Not even the best arc winner
@andrewblackie7170
@andrewblackie7170 6 күн бұрын
To think of the horses that Prince Kalid Abdullah had bred in his Juddmonte operation was remarkable: Dancing Brave, Zafonic, Rainbow Quest, Roussilon, Warning, Known Fact, Commander in Chief, Tenby, Midday, Noble Mission, Oasis Dream, Workforce, Kingman, Enable, Arrogate, Frankel & the list goes on. He even produced more Top Class horses than the Aga Khan which is remarkable in its self.
@user-es5us5vr7t
@user-es5us5vr7t 4 жыл бұрын
Always remember my dad win money on sharastani . But he was lucky and he knew that himself . Dancing brave , sea the stars have been the best I’ve seen in my 40 yrs of watching racing .
@seanscanlon9067
@seanscanlon9067 4 жыл бұрын
No Frankel?
@user-es5us5vr7t
@user-es5us5vr7t 4 жыл бұрын
Frankel didn’t race at 1M 4F I’m talking about horses at that distance . Yes probably frankel could have done that distance when he was 4 but I’m talking about horses that have done the distance.
@stevo62ful
@stevo62ful 3 жыл бұрын
@@seanscanlon9067 I doubt if either one would beat seabird, as good as they were
@stevo62ful
@stevo62ful 3 жыл бұрын
I backed Sharastani at 8/1 but very lucky to win. Seabirds Derby win in 65 was unreal though, I'm not sure if DB could have won that even without the Jockey error
@seanscanlon9067
@seanscanlon9067 3 жыл бұрын
@@user-es5us5vr7t OK fair enough, you had not said so in your initial post and so I assumed that you just meant in general.
@davidwills3107
@davidwills3107 4 жыл бұрын
The best of all time. The arc the best ever assembled. Thanks for putting this great video up.
@andrewblackie7170
@andrewblackie7170 3 ай бұрын
@@davidwills3107: Honestly friend Dancing Brave was my all time fav horse & made my pockets a lot heavier BUT the 86 Arc which had 18 G1's between them & the Epsom, French, German & Irish Derby winners it was the 2nd strongest Arc ever assembled behind Sea Birds Arc. But the greatest Arc to watch ABSOLUTELY 👍
@andrewblackie7170
@andrewblackie7170 6 күн бұрын
Actually friend Dancing Brave's Arc was the 2nd strongest ever assembled behind Sea Birds Arc BUT the 86 Arc the greatest race I've EVER seen 👍 R.I.P CHAMP 👑
@wheretheresawilltheresaway7752
@wheretheresawilltheresaway7752 4 жыл бұрын
1986 arc greatest race of all time
@christineparker2511
@christineparker2511 3 жыл бұрын
I have never had the privilege in my life to ever witness such a horse advancing Brave. Pure speed and electrifying acceleration is in my opinion something that I have never ever seen in my life. You have to see the acceleration in the arc to truly believe it. I am sorry,Frankel cant be held anywhere near him. To do that would be ridiculous
@marksudlow5083
@marksudlow5083 3 жыл бұрын
I think you could be right!!
@deanos72
@deanos72 3 жыл бұрын
Totally Agree ! At the furlong pole there was 7 group 1 winners in a line ! Can’t remember Frankel ever encountering opposition like that ! I think at 10f Dancing Brave would have toyed with Frankle
@jonicasino
@jonicasino 4 жыл бұрын
I will always remember his derby loss, as my dad lumped his weeks wages on him. My dad went berserk with Starkey! He was eefing and blinding at the tv lol. Amazing horse though, that Arc makes the hairs on your neck stand up, great commentary too. 👍
@jonicasino
@jonicasino 4 жыл бұрын
@Microwave lol! Thank you. What's the horse's name? Is/was it a race horse too?
@thomasgreen3082
@thomasgreen3082 4 жыл бұрын
I think every one who had dancing brave on WOD have cursed grevile starky, Including guy Harwood
@thomasgreen3082
@thomasgreen3082 4 жыл бұрын
10.3seconds was recorded in the last 2 furlongs at the derby
@chuckemeade
@chuckemeade 4 жыл бұрын
@@thomasgreen3082 2 furlongs in 10.3 sec I don't think so.
@petermcmanus7288
@petermcmanus7288 4 жыл бұрын
Thomas 10.3 was for the last furlong
@johnjohnnyjohnson9987
@johnjohnnyjohnson9987 4 жыл бұрын
My favourite racehorse! I lived in Newbury in the 80's when racing was still very popular. Remember shouting home The Brave in the King George with a group of mates all trying to get the money we had lost backing him in The Derby. Traded at 6/4 2nd fav behind Shahrastani that day. A gift from the bookies. It doesn't happen very often!!
@davehenderson1239
@davehenderson1239 4 жыл бұрын
There’s always a horse who wins you money John... My horse was High Chaparral... Went of jt fav with Hawk Wing (became Aiden’s highest rated horse) for the 2002 Derby. High Chaparral’s stamina proved best. 9/4. At 11/4, I bet him heavily for the Irish Champion stakes & he won by a nose from Falbrav. Then he went on to win the Breeders cup turf. Then doubles it up with a dead heat heat, the following year, alongside Johar & Falbrav a neck behind. I had a monkey on both them wins... Happy man I was. Best horse that came out of him is Altior... A true champion chaser... Dx
@daviddixon4385
@daviddixon4385 3 жыл бұрын
Remember it well
@smilodontiger5675
@smilodontiger5675 3 ай бұрын
Greatest horse I ever saw in 40 years watching racing. Tragic that jockey error cost him the Derby.
@stephencarter2332
@stephencarter2332 3 жыл бұрын
best horse ever from 1m to 1 1/2 miles simply incredible horse
@jerrybanks589
@jerrybanks589 4 жыл бұрын
Brings back great memories .That performance in the Arc was incredible ,hard believe it was 34 years ago .Thanks for posting .
@أحمدالصاعدي-ك3ل
@أحمدالصاعدي-ك3ل 4 жыл бұрын
That arc performance will stay forever.prince khaled is lucky to have great horses through the years;dancing brave,frankel,enable,arrogate,empire maker,kingman,etc.
@doodles863
@doodles863 4 жыл бұрын
That Arc race was absolutely out of this world, it was packed with class horses, all champions in their own right, but the Brave must have gone past 10 horses in the last half furlong and won it going away, truly incredible. I have never seen any horse that comes close to him since.
@أحمدالصاعدي-ك3ل
@أحمدالصاعدي-ك3ل 4 жыл бұрын
@@doodles863 Dancing brave was the most brilliant horse that i have ever seen.but ,he had his vulnerable moments,and was not as consistent as frankel.from the versatility point of view,he was better than frankel.
@Darryl5015561
@Darryl5015561 4 жыл бұрын
I lost the is video when i moved house 10 years ago. Albert Finney narrates it brilliantly. Thanks for bringing it back.
@mikerainham
@mikerainham 4 жыл бұрын
Darryl5015561 you buy it on dvd now, a few other old videos to like Orson Welles narrating A horse called Nijinsky and The year of Sir Ivor. I’ve got a reference point VHS narrated by Desmond Lynam to. There were also excellent VHS videos with Brough Scott, the racing year 81-88 series, an in-depth look at each racing season.
@أحمدالصاعدي-ك3ل
@أحمدالصاعدي-ك3ل 4 жыл бұрын
That field of horses in 1986 arc,was the greatest field ever bc they were proper G1 horses.
@davidrobinson2776
@davidrobinson2776 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed. In any other year Bering would have been hailed as the second coming of Sea Bird yet Dancing Brave went past him like he was standing still. To complete the Eclipse and King George double was amazing. I have never seen a horse quicken like him. I love Sir Ivor but have to admit this horse was fabulous. If Lester had been around and somehow got himself the ride on the horse on Derby day he would have won it by 5 lengths hard held. Nobody felt a horse like Piggott and that is what made him the greatest.
@suemaher5282
@suemaher5282 4 жыл бұрын
The best ARC ever simple as that. Pat Eddery how did he come from there genius. Look who he beat proper race.. Class
@prmedia6074
@prmedia6074 19 күн бұрын
Definitely the greatest middle distance horse I have ever seen. An electrifying turn of pace and extremely high cruising speed. Nothing could touch him and a travesty he lost the Derby with atrocious jockeyship.
@harryjananto9766
@harryjananto9766 2 жыл бұрын
Never ever seen an acceleration as impressive what dancing brave had.
@StephenSmall-sf5um
@StephenSmall-sf5um 5 ай бұрын
You haven't seen many then
@halliedyson8321
@halliedyson8321 4 ай бұрын
It's just as good acceleration as Forego in the Marlboro. Arazi in the Breeders Juv will compare with Braves big run. Secretariat's Preakness yet another...
@halliedyson8321
@halliedyson8321 4 ай бұрын
The question is Secretariat... which horse is better in the 12f on firm tuff? Secretariat is the only American bred horse to stand in Dancing Braves way.
@halliedyson8321
@halliedyson8321 4 ай бұрын
I think Brave was 'taken out' for an insurance payoff, much like Alydar.
@tlrflava
@tlrflava 4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant horse but it is the commentary that makes horse racing such a wonderful sport. Reliving the derby and the arc was magical. Thank you
@ott5844
@ott5844 4 жыл бұрын
For me the best jockey ever ever is only One master Pat Eddery
@keithwilliams2077
@keithwilliams2077 4 жыл бұрын
2nd only to piggott.although pat was my fav.
@shanecopner7827
@shanecopner7827 5 ай бұрын
Gary bardwell
@RichardHenry-b3b
@RichardHenry-b3b 3 ай бұрын
@ott5844 Pat Eddery mi sey...Starting with Grundy wow!
@johncopeland3826
@johncopeland3826 22 күн бұрын
He's the best racehorse that I have seen in over 40 years of racing . The Arc he won going away in 1986 , had something like 11 or 12 Group 1 winners in the field that day ..some multiple Group1 winners , unbeaten. The electric burst of pace he injected into the last furlong was faster than Frankel's first furlong in his brilliant 2000 guineas win , where he went 10 lengths clear ...that's how good Dancing Brave was ! Greville Starkey , the original jockey was asked pre derby about the qualities of Dancing Brave ? He replied ; " my horse is bombproof " and " will stay 6 miles if required " ! No other jockey in history has ever been so forthright or ebullient in front of a camera before ...EVER !
@rishichadda2084
@rishichadda2084 2 жыл бұрын
It's an absolute pleasure to watch this lovely video on Dancing Brave.
@rafaathussain5967
@rafaathussain5967 3 жыл бұрын
Great horse and a fabulous video ! Thanks for posting ..
@elizabethtanner9050
@elizabethtanner9050 4 жыл бұрын
The best Mile to mile and half horse in my lifetime
@austinmerrigan3404
@austinmerrigan3404 3 жыл бұрын
I always say sea the stars would beat frankel but when it comes to dancing brave i think he was the best that arc win was just class and what a field he beat and the best arc ride u will ever see
@sturner80
@sturner80 2 жыл бұрын
@Stephen Small Both classy horses but Dancing Brave is on a different level .
@StephenSmall-sf5um
@StephenSmall-sf5um 4 ай бұрын
@@sturner80 not as good as golden fleece
@mikerainham
@mikerainham 4 жыл бұрын
Dancing Brave was the absolute best in terms of versatility. He won a slowly run guineas and a very fast arc.
@anthonydecruz178
@anthonydecruz178 Ай бұрын
I was a teenager but had always loved flat racing. Every spring Peter O'Sullivan would visit the top stables to find the possible champions, unfortunately we didn't have TV coverage of his visits to France. I'd backed Niksar to win the 2000 Gns, 10 shillings EW. I studied the Derby form and decided whose sire was Dan Cupid might not stay, so put 10shillings EW on Gulf Pearl. I took the day off work, and went to see the horses in the paddock, as ever the horses looked wonderful, then I saw Sea Bird ,I knew instantly he was different, as Pat Glennon took him down to the start, I knew we were going to see something special! Glennon wearing dark Green was easy to spot, Sea Bird was only cruising throughout the race and though the field may not have been the strongest, the way he changed gear, his stunning elastic stride was breathtaking, Glennon was pulling him up before he reached the finish. Later in the Arc he'd grown and was reaching his peak, again he was always cruising and destroyed an exceptional field. Sea Bird was a freak ,a horse who stayed, but had the speed of a sprinter. I would have loved to see him at 4,but money talks and he went to stud. I saw 2 exceptional racehorses in my life who were incomparable, Sea Bird and Arkle, I know I will never see anything to surpass them.
@soprano4122
@soprano4122 4 жыл бұрын
my favourite race horses DANCING BRAVE AND FRANKEL both from same owner
@arturkum861
@arturkum861 4 жыл бұрын
Greta video for a truly Great horse. Thank you!
@andrewblackie7170
@andrewblackie7170 6 күн бұрын
I know he hadn't proved himself against TOP CLASS opposition in 85 but i couldn't believe you could get 20/1 for the 2000 Guineas which I must painfully admit didn't get but before his Craven win i still managed to get 12/1 the Guineas which i put only a small stake of £10 win which was a decent sum as i was only 16yrs old. After the Craven i put a £2 acc for the Guineas, Derby, Eclipse, King George & Arc more hoping he'd do these races & sadly we know what happened of course. I haven't watched the 86 Derby since 88 if I remember as I couldn't bring myself too do so. R.I.P CHAMP 👑
@carlisledavids4474
@carlisledavids4474 2 жыл бұрын
The best moment, is when Pat Edderton, who is just cantering on Dancing Brave, looks back at all of the others who are completely pushing
@frankschlanker
@frankschlanker 3 жыл бұрын
I always remember the roar from the crowd when he swoops past them all in the Arc
@garyproffitt5941
@garyproffitt5941 2 жыл бұрын
The one and only steeped with richest “Dancing Brave” once it a lifetime.
@paulmatthews570
@paulmatthews570 4 жыл бұрын
He was the best and fastest I,ve seen, phenomenal speed
@mrvillan6951
@mrvillan6951 3 жыл бұрын
He wasn't as fast as Frankel........officially.
@jasonfox4857
@jasonfox4857 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrvillan6951 what about unofficially?
@mrvillan6951
@mrvillan6951 3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonfox4857 Ha ha. According to STS fans he was faster than a Ferrari.
@manafalmola318
@manafalmola318 3 ай бұрын
Greatest horse of all time ❤
@thebay77sanfrancisco72
@thebay77sanfrancisco72 3 жыл бұрын
The 6 people that gave this the thumbs down have not got a clue about horse racing
@Class1Con
@Class1Con 2 жыл бұрын
They probably backed Shahrastani in the King George 🤣
@kevinmunday5782
@kevinmunday5782 2 жыл бұрын
@@Class1Con I backed Sharastani in the King George, but gave the Brave Thumbs up 😄😄
@Class1Con
@Class1Con 2 жыл бұрын
@@kevinmunday5782 I wasn't even born then but I'd of probably backed him too mate! Hindsight ay 😂
@dewistaplesjones6338
@dewistaplesjones6338 3 ай бұрын
Probably Frankle fans another good horse 🐎 but never beat anything of note
@gerrybailey447
@gerrybailey447 3 ай бұрын
​@@dewistaplesjones6338But he did everything over a mile and a mile and 2.He never went a mile and a half.
@kevinflaherty9669
@kevinflaherty9669 4 жыл бұрын
Greatest arc ever
@jasonfox4857
@jasonfox4857 3 жыл бұрын
Joan of Arc takes sum beating tho!
@Nivekthewatcher.6372
@Nivekthewatcher.6372 2 жыл бұрын
My neck hairs stood up watching the arc
@JackSmith-gb4iy
@JackSmith-gb4iy 4 жыл бұрын
Greatest and fastest of all time
@navienmarwah4150
@navienmarwah4150 3 ай бұрын
One of the greatest of all time. Unbelievable acceleration, almost like a sprinter.
@watfordtripod
@watfordtripod 3 жыл бұрын
Pegasus What a brilliant horse
@uhegbu
@uhegbu 4 жыл бұрын
A fine tribute to one of the greatest flat runners of the 1980s, possibly in racing folklore. To beat the Derby winner, Sharastani in the King George and then in the Arc De Triomphe, truly special. Sadly, the horse's career at stud was short lived, produced I think Commander In Chief, 1993 dual Derby winner.
@richardbuckland5777
@richardbuckland5777 2 жыл бұрын
BEST HORSE I EVER SAW HE WAS THE FIRST HORSE I PUT 1OO POUNDS ON FOR 86 DERBY .SHOULD HAVE WON I DID NOT MIND LOSEING IT WAS .A GREAT RACE I GOT MY MONEY BACK IN THE GREATS RACE EVER THE ARC
@fklifter1
@fklifter1 3 жыл бұрын
We should never forget the greatest sire of the 20th century Northern Dancer . Heres another horse with his bloodline.
@DamienDunne-l6h
@DamienDunne-l6h 3 ай бұрын
Great horse,his arc win in ,86,best race ever,destroyed them,with his devastating turn of foot.
@WESSERPARAQUAT
@WESSERPARAQUAT 4 жыл бұрын
The Late and Great Walter "the choir boy he's got lovely hands" Swinburn was on record as saying he had never travelled as fast going into and out of the dip at Newmarket in his life ! and was left wondering what type of Monster had just zoomed past him like he was a tree , incredible stuff
@robertdelacy3434
@robertdelacy3434 2 жыл бұрын
Green desert didn't stay
@WESSERPARAQUAT
@WESSERPARAQUAT 2 жыл бұрын
@@robertdelacy3434 it was a very slowly run race he had every chance got out paced not out stayed
@andysaidi5504
@andysaidi5504 4 жыл бұрын
Sadly,khaled abdullah his owner died several days ago.he was a man of owner.when henry cecil was down and out,he stood by him through thick and thin.Rip
@davidrobinson2776
@davidrobinson2776 3 жыл бұрын
I totally missed his passing. What a beautifully honourable man. He never forgot those who were good to him, a quality sadly lacking these days.
@davidmcmahon5234
@davidmcmahon5234 5 ай бұрын
Hundred percent right there k Abdullah stuck by h Cecil greatest horse Henry Cecil trained no doubt about that 😊
@danielmarshall356
@danielmarshall356 4 жыл бұрын
Imagine owning and breeding Frankel, Dancing brave and Enable !
@أحمدالصاعدي-ك3ل
@أحمدالصاعدي-ك3ل 4 жыл бұрын
+arrogate,logician,kingman,Danshili,polish summer,Empire maker,well;this is the humble owner "khaled abdulla".
@jonathankeymer1775
@jonathankeymer1775 4 жыл бұрын
@Paul Gallagher You're right, he forgot Warning and Commander-in-chief.
@benbim540
@benbim540 4 жыл бұрын
KINGMAN is doing wonders at stud his first couple of seasons.
@billdejong4148
@billdejong4148 3 жыл бұрын
@@jonathankeymer1775 Commander in Chief by Dancing Brave
@hare1729
@hare1729 2 жыл бұрын
Imaging owning a horse.
@billmccarthy9689
@billmccarthy9689 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this vid and the comments are brilliant. Great horse, but for me the spectacle of Nijinsky cruising up with Lester on aboard makes the hairs on your neck stand up and we will never see that again.
@davidlees9096
@davidlees9096 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best racehorses of all time ezalehy up there with fankel
@hectorroca9523
@hectorroca9523 3 жыл бұрын
In my younger days I was captivated and mesmerized by Dancing Brave and with Alysheba in America
@manafalmola318
@manafalmola318 4 ай бұрын
Dancing brave greatest from frankel was legendary ❤
@davidedwards6807
@davidedwards6807 3 жыл бұрын
Favourite horse ever
@davehenderson1239
@davehenderson1239 4 жыл бұрын
He won his points on his King George & Arc win (which proved to be one of the best ever). Pure speed & consistently doing it over 1m4f.
@nathangraham4241
@nathangraham4241 2 ай бұрын
8:00 Green Desert, the Grandsire of my favourite racehorse of all time, Sunline.
@TrisWood
@TrisWood 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely and extraordinary horse. Nothing has come close since imo.
@RobertSummerfield-e9q
@RobertSummerfield-e9q 4 ай бұрын
Best horse best jockey I have ever seen simply world class
@craigpope8580
@craigpope8580 3 жыл бұрын
Prince khalid said frankel was easily the best horse he ever had by golly he must have been good cos this fella was pure class in his own right
@williamthompson6372
@williamthompson6372 Жыл бұрын
Its silly to try and compare all these great horses over the years, however, Dancing brave was the best horse over varied distances i have seen in my lifetime. Silly me....
@danielmarshall356
@danielmarshall356 4 жыл бұрын
The “black mark” of the derby 2nd for me always means people will never be 100% convinced he was the best .. for me he is the best European middle distance Horse of the past 50 years.. he would have won a st ledger or a July cup if he wanted and that’s what sets him out as the best ... Pat always says he was the best and thsts enough for me .. the derby would have been merely the final nail .. Also remember the king George and eclipse were the biggest WFA races at the time behind the arc ..
@jasonfox4857
@jasonfox4857 4 жыл бұрын
Well said...for a horse to be so good over 6f up to 1m4f is just crazy! Thats what puts him above Frankel and the rest for me.
@seanscanlon9067
@seanscanlon9067 4 жыл бұрын
Pat never rode Frankel or certain other horses and can only really say Dancing Brave was the best he rode. That doesn't mean he wasn't still the best ever but it's hard to say that for sure about any horse.
@seanscanlon9067
@seanscanlon9067 4 жыл бұрын
@@jasonfox4857 But we do not know that wouldn't have applied to Frankel too, considering many thought he was only a miler at one time and if he had not stepped up to 10 furlongs, I am sure many would have said he would not have stayed. There in no doubt in my mind that Frankel would have stayed 12 furlongs easily.
@jasonfox4857
@jasonfox4857 4 жыл бұрын
@@seanscanlon9067 yeah i undertand where your coming from....i think Frankel would of got the 12 furlongs personally but whether frankel or any horse would of been able to beat the Dancing Brave that won the 86 Arc i just don,t see it...to fly past EIGHT group 1 winners within 300 yards is just unheard of and probably won,t ever happen again in my lifetime...would of been a great race with Frankel tho!
@danielmarshall356
@danielmarshall356 4 жыл бұрын
@@seanscanlon9067 sorry I meant best pat said he rode ... Golden Fleece was 2nd apparently!
@watfordtripod
@watfordtripod 4 жыл бұрын
Legend As it is said.....Bomb proof
@grahammonro6500
@grahammonro6500 4 жыл бұрын
Only 4 likes after a month.. How sad...The Greatest Horse of my Lifetime.. Who was Barely 3 when he ran in the Guineas.. A May Foal.. Get your head around that.. And who never had the Opportunity to run as a 4 Yr old like Frankel...
@SumoCumLoudly
@SumoCumLoudly 4 жыл бұрын
i think it was blocked for a few weeks during a copyright claim
@grahammonro6500
@grahammonro6500 4 жыл бұрын
Might explain it.. Hope it doesn't disappear..
@grahammonro6500
@grahammonro6500 4 жыл бұрын
And what an Arc.. That was the Greatest Depth of Quality apart from the Sea Bird & Reliance Arc in 65....
@andysaidi5504
@andysaidi5504 4 жыл бұрын
I think Frankel & Dancing brave were both briliant.DB Proved more vesatile than franke,but he had his vulnerable moments and he did not win as often as frankel did. Thanks for posting this doc.
@MartinMccrory-q1i
@MartinMccrory-q1i 3 ай бұрын
The greatest horse I have ever seen could have won at any Distance a great turn of foot distance
@jimmysharkey1665
@jimmysharkey1665 3 жыл бұрын
What a horse 🐎 pure class rip dancing brave
@croftrn
@croftrn 4 жыл бұрын
I was a milkman during the time of dancing brave.. in the Sunday times Brough Scott wrote a piece saying that there was no way he'd lose the Derby.. He was 5/1 on Sunday.. These were pre internet betting days, so the only place you could get a bet on was at the "turf accountants".. Anyway... I was determined to "get on" but... I amtjdmtpjddp get to the bookie's until I'd finished my milk round .. Monday is "bottle day"..you've got the whole weekends bottles to pick up.. it takes longer to do the deliveries.. So.. Eventually at about mid day I arrived at my local bookie's ... the price was now 2/1!!!! To say goodbye was distraught, was somewhat under playing it.. However.. The independent bookie agreed to give me 5/1!!! Twenty quid later.. I was on ... Two days later.. at Epsom.. it all went "Pete tong "... Sharasthani got the run on dancing brave.. I was on him on his arc day though..
@johnjohnnyjohnson9987
@johnjohnnyjohnson9987 4 жыл бұрын
The Derby was run on a Wednesday back then and from what I remember The Sporting Life reported he had picked up an injury the Friday before race. You are correct he drifted to 5/1 even 11/2 because of the rumour. Greville Starkey said he was on a porche against mini's. The over confidence proved costly!
@matthewhicks3155
@matthewhicks3155 3 ай бұрын
Best horse never to win a Derby. Shocking ride from Greville Starkey and fortunately he never got the chance to ride Dancing Brave again.
@stevenhenderson1840
@stevenhenderson1840 2 ай бұрын
Best horse ever
@shanecopner7827
@shanecopner7827 5 ай бұрын
Easing down in the greatest arc ever wow just wow
@louisbrown6644
@louisbrown6644 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely watch. Thanks for posting
@darrellwelch1024
@darrellwelch1024 Жыл бұрын
I saw it run at Sandown first run I knew it was special gliding in perfection could not have realised how much it would achieve ...just looked special...
@chriscoates5427
@chriscoates5427 2 жыл бұрын
Poor judgement by jockey Greville Starkey cost Dancing Brave the Epsom Derby that year. He was fabulous in beating a very good Arc field under Pat Eddery. Always difficult to rate against horses from different era's. Reckon Sea Bird, Dancing Brave, Nijinsky, Frankel and Shergar all amazing racehorses. Maybe Baaeed about to join them.
@sturner80
@sturner80 2 жыл бұрын
Brigadier Gerard and Sea The Stars would also be on my list . Possibly Mill Reef as well .
@WESSERPARAQUAT
@WESSERPARAQUAT 4 жыл бұрын
It goes without saying , that Dancing Brave would have won every sprint that year if they had so desired that is how fast he was, best clip in this? interview with Prince Khalid
@WESSERPARAQUAT
@WESSERPARAQUAT 3 жыл бұрын
@Stephen Small not at all , Won a very slowly run 2000 gns beating that years Champion sprinter in the process i.e Green Desert , readily outpacing him the Brave had speed to burn magnificent horse
@Newworldman66
@Newworldman66 2 жыл бұрын
@Stephen Small Not really. Pat Eddery stated that you could not only run DB in the top 6F races, he'd win them. I recall Cumani saying that Commanche Run was fast enough to run in sprints and also John Oxx said similar things about STS. CR or STS wouldn't have troubled the frame in any top sprint race,
@elgransenor1472
@elgransenor1472 2 жыл бұрын
The best I’ve seen
@Deweycheatumnhowe
@Deweycheatumnhowe 3 жыл бұрын
14:10 Those were the days, one could still have a top class thoroughbred without Northern Dancer on both sides of the pedigree. 😁
@fklifter1
@fklifter1 2 жыл бұрын
That did happen once in awhile but not very often . The Dancer sometimes not just once but 2 or even 3 times on a lot of horses pedigree after all the little Canadian bred horse was the greatest sire of the 20th century and a lot of his sons turned out to be great sires
@alioucisse1548
@alioucisse1548 2 жыл бұрын
My 3rd favorite horse behind Millreef and El Grand Senor.
@millonthefloss
@millonthefloss 4 жыл бұрын
After Starkey lost the derby he was never the same,,he just disintegrated
@ijazmohammed588
@ijazmohammed588 4 жыл бұрын
It was sad that he was always remembered for loosing the derby,it seems it always haunted him.
@RO-uf9ii
@RO-uf9ii 4 жыл бұрын
ijaz mohammed My father knew GS for many many years. Following the Derby loss G said to my dad that it ‘killed him’ that loss...
@aizazbaig4997
@aizazbaig4997 3 ай бұрын
Galileo was the best middle distance horce I have ever seen I think 😊
@ijazmohammed588
@ijazmohammed588 4 жыл бұрын
Never been one better..never will!
@davehenderson1239
@davehenderson1239 4 жыл бұрын
Apart from Frankel.... Dx
@thebay77sanfrancisco72
@thebay77sanfrancisco72 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree Dancing brave was a absolute machine, took on better horses than frankel did and also over different distances,, DIFFERENT CLASS
@thebay77sanfrancisco72
@thebay77sanfrancisco72 3 жыл бұрын
@@davehenderson1239 frankel never raced at the distances dancing brave did, frankel couldn’t stay 1 and a half miles that’s why he never ran that distance, dancing brave ran different distances and won, the brave was different class to frankel.
@doodles863
@doodles863 3 жыл бұрын
You’ve also got factor in the quality of the opposition, Dancing Brave always ran against top class group 1 horses and beat them. Frankle was class but I’m not sure the opposition was of the same quality.
@shanecopner7827
@shanecopner7827 5 ай бұрын
The greatest 1m 2f to 1m 4f horse thats ever lived,such a shame pat wasnt on on the derby ride
@davidlees9096
@davidlees9096 2 жыл бұрын
A two horse race Frankel and dancing brave now that would of bin iconic
@jcartist835
@jcartist835 2 жыл бұрын
These People know About Donkey Race the 1986 Derby was to Show the Power of Dancing Brave the Jockey make a Mistake for not up with the Pace more Early
@mrforevernever517
@mrforevernever517 3 жыл бұрын
Bering was a grandson of the great Sea Bird II.
@colinryan315
@colinryan315 2 жыл бұрын
Just look at the three horses behind dancing brave in the arc he's finest hour.
@garyfaulkner1480
@garyfaulkner1480 Жыл бұрын
Onef my all time faves
@davidedwards6807
@davidedwards6807 2 жыл бұрын
The greatest racehorse ever
@thomasstrong471
@thomasstrong471 6 ай бұрын
The Best horse ever not to win the Derby he was so unlucky i was gutted
@أحمدالصاعدي-ك3ل
@أحمدالصاعدي-ك3ل 4 жыл бұрын
When khaled abdulla (owner of both dancing brave and frankel)was asked,which of them was the better horse?he said;Frankel.i think when it comes to versatility,Dancing brave proved to be a brilliant horse.
@Newworldman66
@Newworldman66 2 жыл бұрын
At that point, Frankel was about to begin life as a sire and Dancing Brave was long gone, so what would you expect him to say? When a very high profile horse is on his way to stud, connections only talk about their horse in the most positive of terms. Positive sentiment tends to support asset valuations.
@user-es5us5vr7t
@user-es5us5vr7t 4 жыл бұрын
If we could put the top 20 best horses at 1M 4F from the last 40 yrs to race together it would probably be a outsider that wins it . We’re all so sure it would be dancing brave or sea the stars or whatever your favourite horse is. But how many times have we watched a race and you were sure it would be between 2 horses for sure and both of them weren’t even in the first 3 .
@robartaquinn7258
@robartaquinn7258 3 жыл бұрын
Simply the best and won't be bettered. Such a loss to European breeders. What could have been!!!
@eziozomparelli2079
@eziozomparelli2079 3 жыл бұрын
Great horse from the blood line of ribot he won all his 16starts from 5 furlongs to king George and the arc.
@lestercharles8522
@lestercharles8522 5 ай бұрын
Lyphard looked and moves so much like his sire Northern Dancer
@manafalmola318
@manafalmola318 3 жыл бұрын
Was great legend dancing brave
@mikedavies9953
@mikedavies9953 2 жыл бұрын
I'm convinced Dancing Brave would have beaten any horse over 1.4m he had this acceleration that was just unreal , he should have been unbeaten Starkey gave him a terrible ride in the Derby and it was crazy to run him in Breeders cup after such a hard long season
@davidlees9096
@davidlees9096 2 жыл бұрын
This horse is easily up there with Frankel
@mallafets
@mallafets 4 жыл бұрын
The best. Maybe one or two would give him a race over 8f but nobody over 10 or 12f.
@SumoCumLoudly
@SumoCumLoudly 4 жыл бұрын
he wouldnt have have layed a glove on Frankel at 10f imo
@georgefindlay1982
@georgefindlay1982 4 жыл бұрын
@@SumoCumLoudly Do you think Frankel would have won the Derby had he ran ?
@SumoCumLoudly
@SumoCumLoudly 4 жыл бұрын
@@georgefindlay1982 no, I think he could have run 12f as a 4yo but he wasnt ready for it at 3, the way he was running in the Juddmonte and Champion Stakes he was settling well and was push button, the extra 2f would have been fine at that stage
@mrvillan6951
@mrvillan6951 4 жыл бұрын
So how did he get beat twice?
@mallafets
@mallafets 4 жыл бұрын
@@mrvillan6951 Well the Derby was obviously pilot error as we all know, DB was superior to Shahrastani as he proved. In the US he was not fit, lost weight in travelling over, nearly died just a while after. They all get beat except Frankel as special as he was he was well placed and they did not take risks.
@MYLOTAFF
@MYLOTAFF 4 жыл бұрын
I remember talking to Alex Bird at Haydock on the Friday evening 2 days after the ' 86 Derby and he still couldn't believe DB didn't win. What a tool DB was
@rayrichardson1082
@rayrichardson1082 2 жыл бұрын
Grenville Starkey was such an untidy rider
@WESSERPARAQUAT
@WESSERPARAQUAT 4 ай бұрын
Grebile was known for riding with just the tip of his toe in the iron
@Dirtdiggler007-l5e
@Dirtdiggler007-l5e Жыл бұрын
Absolute stud
@martinpollock2224
@martinpollock2224 Жыл бұрын
At that time my father had £2k on dancing brave outa of £2,500 compensation money I think it was only time Dancing brave was ever beat but that,,s at least our mum got the other £500 Quid great horse but boxed in that so sharashanti won Derby ..That was life then. Bye the why my father,s friend told me this ..next time Dancing brave win6/4 my dad had £40.00 on it ..God bless O.P FROM BELFAST
@cousy65nc61
@cousy65nc61 3 ай бұрын
He got beat at Santa Anita . Horse called Manila won the race
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