Danged Noumena: Kant Versus Husserl on "The Thing-In-Itself" with Matt Bower

[@chasesaladino6669]

Hey it’s my old professor from Texas State! His class on phenomenology and existentialism was what first got me into continental philosophy.

[@AcidHorizon]

Well now Professor Matt has made it to the big time.

[@jdub98d]

"Danged Noumena" is incredible lmao

[@MandyMoorehol]

“You can not smell the thing it isn’t self” The Towel of Minerva

[@FreeWill_is_unintelligible]

Short answer: no Long answer: nooooo

[@joeyrufo]

37:03 I think Marx had our access to "the thing in itself" pretty much figured out. "the 'idea' is nothing else than the material world [i.e., the things in themselves] reflected by the human mind and translated into forms of thought"

[@goodleshoes]

Donald Hoffman's book got me on this topic.

[@KommentarSpaltenKrieger]

I think Husserl's critique here of Kant's "thing in itself" is quite hitting. Throughout the critique of pure reason, Kant struggles with his terminology, especially when it comes to "things" and "objects". Sometimes, he calls appearances things and objects, and sometimes these terms are meant to denote the wordly source of the appearance, i.e. things and objects "in themselves". It seems as if Kant's language gives a window into a "phenomenological understanding" of thing that runs counter to the over-all Kantian view.

[@nietzschefriend]

I LOVE EDMUND HUSSERL!!!

[@Amazology]

Ask Hegel

[@joeyrufo]

33:20 "objects" do have "meanings" if they mean something *to you*! If it's a box covered with something poisonous to you, what that MEANS is that you probably shouldn't lick it! You know, unless... :P

[@joeyrufo]

34:36 you don't "bestow sense on" the "thing in itself"! You *make sense of* "the thing in itself"! Duh! :P

[@joeyrufo]

35:33 metaphysics doesn't have "implications"! Metaphysics is just the stickers you apply directly to reality! Alternatively, it's like my nightguard! It's the same shape as my teeth, so it snaps right into my mouth! You can kinda think of metaphysics the same way

[@joeyrufo]

Even color vision is "imaginary"! It runs through your brain's "imagination circuits"! It's metaphysics your brain is doing that you apply directly to reality! And your brain does it because it confers an advantage, but you get to enjoy it either way!

[@joeyrufo]

38:46 this "divine intellect" is just the Laplacian Demon! It doesn't actually exist!

[@joeyrufo]

43:02 come on! The thing that replaced the jar of pickles is just the Cartesian Demon! That doesn't exist either, except statistically! The statistical Cartesian Demon is just how many missing socks you have! It's only a big deal when life and death is involved! Not a jar of fkn pickles!

[@totonow6955]

Let's talk about KANT bay-beeee. Let's talk about you and me. I think about round squares all the time but I'm a painter so...

[@_....J........................]

Wait... "The Thing-In-Itself", Kant Sounds about White.

[@nicbarth3838]

I.. what lead you to make this connection?

[@joeyrufo]

Well, Kant's day job was as a racist anthropology professor. Philosophy Tube made a pretty good video about it (this was pre-transition, so it was a couple of years ago, at least)

[@joeyrufo]

Thanks for the passing Marx reference at the @$$ end of the fkn conversation! 🙄🤪✌️🫰