DANGEROUSLY COMMON: Beginner Mistakes That Could Lead to Crashes

[@swashington942]

That makes a lot of sense to run away while your bike is laying down right in front of a cop car. Lol

[@maxwellcrafter]

The clip at 21:45 is specifically from Garden City Idaho, where stop signs are considered yields for bikes, ebikes, and pedestrians. If you live somewhere other than there, check the laws as you most likely are required to stop.

[@scanadaze]

Why are Gen X some of the best motorcycle riders? Because as kids and teens. Gen X road bicycles a lot. Something that is hardly seen today. Kids and teens riding bicycles.

[@liesdamnlies3372]

Hey, hey, hey. Hold-up a minute. Us millennials rode bicycles too. -.-

[@scanadaze]

@liesdamnlies3372 Today's kids. Walk with a cellphone in their faces. The next generation to ride motorcycles and crash.

[@alloveragain8592]

​@@liesdamnlies3372 Early Gen Z as well

[@GeekOfAllness]

I don't doubt it's more rare, but I still see a lot of kids riding bikes around my area when the weather is decent, and even when I was a teenager in the 90s my friends and I were in the minority for riding bikes. Even then, most kids just had their parents drive them places. I think the last few decades you're more likely to see adults on bikes because they want to stop being fat, where back in my dad's era (the 50s and 60s) kids were more likely to be on bikes because they couldn't drive yet. Also, DUIs started getting enforced a lot more between my dad's era and mine. Also, adults are more likely to be fat, because it's easier to get jobs that don't require a lot of physical activity, because technology is a many-edged sword (throwing star?).

[@scanadaze]

@GeekOfAllness Here. As I know there are no fat kids. I grew up 20 miles from here. No fat kids. 70s and 80s. We road bikes. Today. They walk. With a cellphone in their face. I live on the popular road for the high school. If their not driving. They are only walking. Population here just around 3,000. One old guy rides a Ebike. Two town drinks that lost their drivers license rides bikes. That's it. I personally went from bike, to mini bike, to motorcycle. The old time I didn't ride a bike as a kid and teen is when I had a flat tire.

[@Roy_Godiksen]

32:34 I don't like this position in traffic, as you end up maximizing the time spent in the blind spot. I ride on the right side of the lane if there are traffic on the right and, and i move over towards the left when i pass the vehicle. I also watch the mirror of the vehicle to see if the driver looks to the right or at the mirror, indicating he/she might switch lane. Same thing if i'm in tle right lane, but mirrored.

[@ShortCappy]

24:37 Es ist so toll, das Peace-Zeichen auf einem Motorrad zu sehen. 😎

[@PetherGamer]

That first video looked like he caught the little peg that pokes out of the bottom of the foot peg and it unsettled the rear, Keep up the great work Dan! :D

[@liesdamnlies3372]

21:30 Depends on jurisdiction. There are some places where stop signs actually are yield signs for _bicycles_ but I’m less sure about e-bikes/mopeds. For bicycles it’s in consideration for how much more effort it takes to come to a complete stop, then start again, when in low-traffic, low-speed areas a cyclist will have plenty of time to see all ways at a junction by just creeping up to it; a full stop isn’t always necessary if no one is coming, and a full stop is easy if you’re going slow. I’ve never heard of this being true of a motorcycle, and for e-bikes it’d specifically depend on your jurisdiction’s definitions. For example, here in Ontario, e-bikes are mostly like bicycles as long as their output isn’t more than 500W. Would they have to stop at stop signs instead of yield if we did have a law allowing people on bicycles to treat stop signs as yields? I dunno. Maybe, maybe not. (Stopping at stop signs as a cyclist sucks hard, btw, and in my experience is one of those laws basically no one follows and police don’t bother enforcing because as long as you are actually slowing to a crawl it’s not risky, and they have better shit to do.)

[@maxwellcrafter]

This video is from Idaho, where they are yields for bikes, ebikes, and pedestrians (but not motorcycles)

[@liesdamnlies3372]

@ Thankies for the info.

[@GeekOfAllness]

Stopping on a bike isn't really difficult. I do it all the time, and I'm in piss-poor shape. Yes, you're putting some effort into getting started, but getting exercise is generally the point so meh. In general, regardless of what some cop or judge might think, stop signs have never, ever been about "stopping" in some "complete cessation of movement" sense. They're about right of way. Cars, trucks, motorcycles and everything else has exactly the same ability to simply slow down and look as a bicycle to make it safe, and bicycles have the same ability to obliviously drive out into traffic. The real difference between a yield and a stop sign is just that you're expected to be able to safely proceed at nearly the same speed with the yield sign as if you had right of way, while at a stop sign it's expected that you need to slow way down. So from that point of view, a bicycle is more likely to be safe when treating a stop sign as a yield sign (that is, not slowing down much, if at all). But I've still run into plenty of stop signs where that's simply not true, even as slowly as I ride compared to someone in good shape. So a blanket statement that it's safe to treat stop signs as yield signs on a bike would be absurd. The proper legal understanding of a stop sign is prima facie evidence. There are three things you're actually supposed to do at a stop (or yield) sign: First, proceed up to (but not into) the intersection until you can clearly determine whether entering the intersection would cause a right-of-way violation. Second, refrain from entering until it's safe. Third, get out of the way as soon as reasonable. In order to consistently achieve step 2, you have to remain at the position of step 1 long enough to actually ensure safety, and you have to approach the intersection slowly enough to able to prevent inadvertent incursions if it's not safe. (Noting that the "position" of step 1 is a finite zone of some non-zero length.) So how do we know if we accomplished this safely? Well, we don't, because there's no magical function we can ask the universe. So if a cop thinks what you did was unsafe, and you think it was safe, there's a hard rule in place that alters the burden of proof: If you came to a complete stop, the cop has the burden of proving that what you did was dangerous. If you didn't, you have the burden of proving it was safe. The cop, of course, still has the burden of proving you didn't come to a complete stop, etc., but the idea is to make a cutoff that lets people avoid tickets most of the time (never say never -- I've been given speeding tickets while parked), while still giving cops some reasonable power to enforce safe traversal of intersections. Judges, in my experience, tend to be morons when it comes to actual traffic safety, and tend to pander to the idea that all traffic rules are somehow absolute instead of paying attention to reality. So what you can actually argue in court successfully will vary greatly depending on factors such as which judge you have and what jurisdiction you're in. But normal cars or motorcycles are just as capable of safely navigating stop signs without actually stopping, and bikes are just as capable of coming to complete stops. Side note: cars or motorcycles with clutches are even more annoying to deal with complete stops with than bicycles. But somehow we all manage to do that too.

[@maxwellcrafter]

@@GeekOfAllness Bikes are allowed (and recommended) to treat stop signs as yields signs only partly because it's harder slower to accelerate on a bike, and more because bikes have lower visibility that larger vehicles making them more likely to be rear ended by inattentive drivers, and in the case that they are hit, much more likely to result in injury/death. It's hardly about it being annoying (especially on an ebike), it's really in place for safety. "getting exercise is generally the point" The point of riding a bike for me is not about the exercise, it's about getting where I'm going as a method of commuting. If I was wanting to exercise I'd ride one of my non-electric bikes.

[@GeekOfAllness]

@@maxwellcrafter You really shouldn't be stopping in the middle of the lane where people are likely to rear-end you even if they don't see you. Stop on the edge of the lane. Also, if the cops are enforcing the complete stops, the cars should be barely moving even if they do manage to hit you. And if the cars are blowing through the stop sign, bikes don't generally go fast enough where the speed difference is terribly relevant. And, of course, motorcycle riders are really in just as much danger when they get rear ended. The only difference is that cyclists tend to wear poorer helmets. Yes, the motorcycle's greater mass means riders technically don't get hit as hard as cyclists, but the difference is mostly academic when being hit by modern vehicles that are a ton and a half or more. And if rolling through the stop sign in a car is dangerous to others because you aren't yielding right of way, then it's even more dangerous to a cyclist who will get utterly creamed in a t-bone impact, and bikes can't clear the intersection nearly as quickly as a car, let alone a motorcycle. The power-to-weight ratio is just abysmal past like 10 feet. If you're rushing towards the stop sign like you're going to blow through it, then suddenly stop, you're even more likely to get rear ended than if you just consistently stop until it's safe. And if you're barely moving so there's plenty of time to ensure safety, the safety margin of moving vs being stopped when you get rear ended is, again, academic. So there's really zero safety advantage to rolling through a stop sign and that's a non-argument for actual bicycles. As for e-bikes. First, note that "e-bikes" still require you to pedal and they just make you go faster for the same effort, while "electric bikes" are just low-powered motorcycles. Maybe the terminology is different where you live, but the difference is relevant. So, noting the difference, an "e-bike" is still about getting exercise, while an "electric bike" is really just a slow motorcycle. So my argument still stands for the former, and the entire discussion is really irrelevant for the latter. The latter just points to the issue with current eco-freak thinking: they think everyone should be riding bicycles because it's safer and healthier. So they cultivate these cultures of cyclists who are all cool and stuff. Then, because bicycles are stupid for most people, cyclists put motors on the bikes, baskets on the bikes, trailers on the bikes, and turn them into... the very automobiles we're trying to get rid of. What's next? Well, exactly what we did a century ago: we'll realize that 4-wheeled vehicles are just better, that higher speeds are better, that more mass is safer, and we'll just be back to cars. Sure, there are a few scenarios where bikes (or electric/e-bikes doing 15-20 mph) can outrun a car, then fit into a smaller parking footprint. But as soon as you get into a scenario where you're worried about getting rear ended at stop signs, you're almost certainly better off with a real car, even in Europe. Or taking a train/bus. So the only real advantage becomes "because it's cheaper". And I'm all for affordable automobiles like motorized bicycles (which may not actually be affordable, given the price of electric bikes), but that doesn't mean it's suddenly okay to blanketly ignore the standard rules of the road because handwavium. I maintain that rolling through stop signs is perfectly fine for any vehicle (which is why pretty much nowhere in the U.S. I go actually enforces that unless the cop is just being a dick), but that if you're going to enforce it for cars, there's no reason to not enforce it on bikes. Especially electric bikes you're just using to skirt the current rules on motorcycles.

[@bassiebe]

21:23 if you look closely you can see the back tire has no profile like at all. No wonder he crashed. Guys always replace your tires when they’re done!

[@hendrikscheepers4144]

8:03 I think his footpeg touched the ground, and he stuck his foot out on instinct. It happened to me once. I felt I was leaning too much, panicked and put my foot down. Luckily I was going very slowly, and I didn't crash, but my hip hurt for a day or two. I hope it doesn't happen again

[@John_Ridley]

Don't know where the ebike is, but there ARE a few jurisdictions that have it in the law that bicycles can treat stop signs as yield signs. I also don't know if those laws apply to ebikes.

[@maxwellcrafter]

The clip that montions that was filmed in Idaho, and the related law does include ebikes

[@LyingEyes-t3m]

That one at the end, it was obviously a head butt.

[@SergS-o7e]

correct me if im wrong, but in tbe first clip he accelerates in a turn , you can hear the engine ,putting less lateral pressure on the tire causing the front tire to loose grip and low side, you don’t accelerate while the bike is leaned the most, trail braking until you see an exit and reduced lean

[@ramsien]

21:00 see now these riders a speeding above their skill level, crashed and now there is a who bunch of needless Road Surface Hazard for the next rider to possible encounter.

[@ChrisVanMiddelkoop]

You have to use your feet as outriggers when going on slippery stuff like that. They didnt want to get their feet wet.

[@LiamE69]

3:00 Looks like his left ankle is broken to me.

[@45eno]

Really like motorcycles but can’t stand most of the cringe riders. Doing stupid stuff on the road and also trying to be the teacher to all the cars around you. I feel the hatred from cars thanks to all the idiots out there that ride.

[@GeekOfAllness]

It's a form of racism (or a form of some superset that includes racism, perhaps bigotry): bikers perceive drivers as being bad drivers who do stupid things around motorcycles, which isn't entirely false, so they use that bigotry to justify blaming drivers for all their problems, which then Hatfields and McCoys into a cycle of drivers blaming bikers and bikers blaming drivers yet again. Both groups have idiots and both have competent, well-intentioned people. We just tend to see the former because it's more KZbin worthy.

[@RascalØ3]

@@GeekOfAllnessit’s crazy because I imagine a lot of riders in these videos don’t *only* own a motorcycle, and drive a car when need be. I feel like I have a good understanding and patience with cars on the road because I drive a car right now, before buying my bike, I feel like a lot of people should try to consciously understand that too. I 100% agree with you that we see idiot riders/drivers more because it’s “KZbin worthy”. Can’t wait to see the day when more people begin to understand that so many of these problems are very preventable based on their own actions.

[@RascalØ3]

Also 45eno I 100% agree with you, it’s so hard to watch any content creator because 99% of the time they do three digits on highways after weeks/months of getting their moto or just in general. I just can’t watch it anymore. Responsibility > Blatant risk taking for content imo.

[@45eno]

@@RascalØ3 Yeah the whole mirror punching how dare you not see me speeding up in your blind spot at 90mph, etc. Motorcycles are well within the price range of most people and having that much power to weight ratio accessible to the massive makes for problems. It’s weird if you watch riders out there it’s almost as if they are living in a different set of rules. Something about the power rangers helmet and icon jacket with shorts just brings out the stupid. I do my best to not come across like these riders with my ugly NC700X with big tall Vstream windshield. Besides sometimes riding defensively which usually means getting away from traffic with a little throttle I do my best to not tick off the cagers around me. I just want to get home in one piece. I’m sure there are plenty of drivers that lump me in with the rest though so I do my best to watch out for the rager types.

[@masakari]

22:20 No gloves and a wristwatch, what is he: 007?

[@stabbyronnie]

@0:12 That is a Yamaha MT-09. 3rd gen. If that matters.

[@liesdamnlies3372]

24:37 That car ahead doesn’t have working brake lights either, making the situation much more difficult. Maybe he actually had enough space (barely) to stop…if the lights worked. Also if that’s Europe…bit of a yikes with the swastika…(the name is Indian though so… 🤷‍♂️)

[@birdmanf16]

25:30 Red Swastika? Wtf?

[@ChrisVanMiddelkoop]

Dont split too fast

[@petersimmonds4319]

Cruel how do Iget a doughnut .😢 on one of the videos you said exit could be in front of the car pulling right onto the carriageway in front of the direction of the car which he/she did but the car slowed if the car carried on at the same speed or even speeded up the bike would have been toast (code brown) .Much better to go behind (as in sailing) the car was unlikely to reverse.Just saying 😊I think it’s the first time you have given a reason to question your judgment

[@samoksner]

This! In most situations where ypu encounter a moving object crossing your path, first, try to slow down, second, assess if you have am escape behind the object and aim for the object, since it's still moving, it should be out of the way by the time you get there. No need to aim way behind the object since escape path might be tighter and that represents more maneuvering. And if that object is a car, you obviously eliminate the chance of getting hit even after you made your initial escape. Go behind, don't try and predict paths and vehicle speeds and travel distance to them... just aim for the back side of the object and escape.

[@LyingEyes-t3m]

Lane splitting should be illegal in all states and immediate suspension

[@samoksner]

Lane splitting is legal in many countries and does not represent the danger that it does on US roads. In order to lanesplit, the riders need to be reasonable and not be speeding and drivers need to learn to share the road and actively check and double check their mirrors and blindspots for traffic coming thru before they just change lanes impulsively. Shared responsibility even tho Ultimately the person lane splitting needs to take final accountability for the position they put themselves, their motorcycle and other people's vehicles in.

[@liesdamnlies3372]

On North American roads where no one has seen it and aren’t taught riders might do it, yeah you got a point. Ish. Immediate suspension is a bit harsh though. Lane filtering? That should be legal. When everyone is stopped at a stop light, it’s not all that dangerous to just creep-up to the front so you don’t get rear-ended and can escape traffic to an open road, which is also safer for you, the rider.

[@GeekOfAllness]

In general, lane splitting is only dangerous for the guy doing it, so I don't really think it should be directly illegal. However, I do think it's the rider's responsibility to avoid collisions, just like if I do it in a car. We have clearly marked lanes, with clear rules on how lanes work, so if a driver see a bike three cars back, their brain immediately recognizes that it has no right of way and can be ignored. So if a bike runs into me while I'm changing lanes in a normal, reasonable fashion, their insurance should cover my damages, not the other way around. I personally did a lot of group drives when I was younger where we had motorcycles doing dumb stuff with us, so I tend to automatically notice riders lane splitting more readily. But this idea that riders are entitled to ignore basic principles of driving because... reasons... needs to stop. Even lane filtering through stopped traffic is unnecessary on most motorcycles in most real-world traffic conditions, because you're just not stopped long enough, even on a purely air-cooled bike. I'm not opposed to them doing like 10 mph down the shoulder or between lanes (where safe) when the bike is starting to get hot, but that's completely different from passing everyone on the highway at 20+ mph more than the cars while not even picking a lane to be in. Also, air-cooled cars should have the same rights, as long as there's a reasonably-wide shoulder.

[@darkkingastos4369]

No no no! DO NOT ACCELERATE WHEN CROSSING A SLIMY LOW WATER BRIDGE! That is baaaad advice. I cross low water bridges every time I ride because I have to cross two of them when I leave my house. If you accelerate it torques the rear wheel and your rear wheel will slip and cut you sideways! no no no

[@KenpachiZarakiX]

Well, he didn't say to give it throttle. He said to power through it and keep your momentum up.

[@darkkingastos4369]

​@@KenpachiZarakiX No you pull in the clutch and let the motorcycle slow down on it's own. Don't touch your brakes or let the motor add power to your rear wheel.

[@GeekOfAllness]

I think he kind of corrected himself and his final advice might be something akin to: speed up a bit before the water, so you have momentum (and gyroscopic stability) to get you through the water, then coast through the water. But I'd be careful about going too fast, because if you do crash, higher speeds suck more. If you know you have decent traction under the water, a little bit of throttle is a good idea, because it keeps your speed up, which makes it easier to stay balanced. And I think that's what he was originally thinking. But, obviously, you don't normally know what's under the water when you're just out for a ride, so maybe it's best to just stop and check it out.

[@longduckdong123]

act like a fool on a closed track.

[@stabbyronnie]

@26:02 dem Ohlin's didn't help him at all!