DANIEL 8 - Rome and Antiochus - Doug Batchelor 10/14

"Rome and Antiochus" Antiochus IV Epiphanes is NOT the Little Horn in Daniel - Doug Batchelor.
Scripture: Daniel 8:1-27, Luke 2:1, Matthew 24:15
Lesson: 10/14 in the series "The Gospel, 1844 and the Judgment".
The Bible gives ample evidence to help us correctly identify prophetic symbols in history, but other common interpretations defy the Scriptural evidence.
Amazing Facts have a Bible Study relating to this subject "Right on Time! Prophetic Appointments Revealed!" www.amazingfac...
From that study:
Question 3: In Daniel 8:8, 9, a little horn power arose next. What does the little horn represent?
Answer: The little horn represents Rome. Some have suggested that it represents Antiochus Epiphanes, a Seleucid king who ruled over Palestine in the second century before Christ and who disrupted the Jewish worship services. Others, including most leaders of the Reformation, have believed that the little horn represents Rome in both its pagan and papal forms. Let’s examine the evidence . . .
P.S. Comment from a viewer on "Rome & Antiochus" - “But the little horn arises out of the she goat, which represents Greece not Rome, so it can’t be the Papacy”
Can’t access the comment but the answer is “DANIEL 8 - The Sanctuary and the Little Horn - Doug Batchelor” • DANIEL 8 - The Sanctua... where is stated that the horn (Alexander) was broken into four (his 4 Generals [or 4 winds]) and out of one of them came a little horn (which one? history will lead us).

[@proph9916]

He mentioned that Antiochus Epiphanies isn’t mentioned in the Bible. That’s where he is wrong. The Christian Bible only has 66 books in their Bible. However there are other Jewish scriptures we Christian don’t have. The book of Maccabeus is where you will find the story of Antiochus Epiphanies. We simply don’t have all of the manuscripts. And the Bible does mention other books of the Bible.

[@Faithchats]

This was very insightful

[@ChristopherHarle41048]

Hi, Sadi M. This is how Adventists understand Antiochus, but not everyone agrees. Thank you for your positive comment. Sincerely, Chris Harle.

[@jimakron]

@@ChristopherHarle41048 i see that this video is 10 of 14. Where can i find all 14?

[@vypham4042]

Amazing bible to word

[@ChristopherHarle41048]

Here's the full playlist, kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXi2aXl_ga6NsKc

[@pcnone]

Dan.8: 13,14 - When start and when do they end "2300 evenings-mornings" (see Dan.8: 14)? . According Dan.8: 8,9 one "little horn" grew out of one of four prominent horns of Greek king’s heirs (in Greek - "Diadochi") of Alexander the Great (356-323 BC). Thus, as recorded, the angel’s account in Dan.8: 8-12 chronologically takes us back to the time of Antiochus IV Epiphanes (215-164 BC), a Syrian king of the Hellenistic Seleucid dynasty. Wicked and blasphemous deeds of Antiochus IV fully comply with the writing of the "little horn" in Dan. Ch.8. But the historical king Antiochus IV was were only an image of the last Antichrist at the end of time. [The future Antichrist is described as the "small horn" elsewhere in the book - in Dan. Ch.7 (see 2 Thessal.2: 3-10; see Rev. Ch.13). There he stands in time after 10 horns of the fourth kingdom (see Dan.7: 23.24).] . It seems that the text in Dan.8: 14 points to in one very concrete time - the day of winter solstice - December 22, 2136 AD. On this date the period of 2300 years, counted from - December 22, 165 BC, will expire exactly - memorable date on which the Maccabees were able to remove the abomination set by the "little horn" in Dan. Ch.8 (king Antiochus IV Epiphanes) from the sanctuary in the City of Jerusalem and cleansed it (re-sanctified the Temple) [a heroic act that Jews still celebrate with the Feast of Lights and the consecration of the "Hanukkah" Temple (see John 10: 22,23) - in honor of the former "cleansing of the sanctuary"]. Three times in Dan. Ch.8 the angel clarified to Daniel that "2300 days" represents a very long period of time, with the expiration of which the definite last time will begin. "The vision pertains to the appointed time of the end" (see Dan.8: 17c). "For pertains to the appointed time of the end" (see Dan.8: 19b). - "The vision of the evenings and mornings Which has been told is true; But keep the vision secret, for {it} pertains to many days {in the future.}" (see Dan.8: 26). Thus, for 2300 years the prophecy must remain "sealed" (see Dan.8: 26), i.e., silently "like the words of a sealed book" (see Isaiah 29: 11), "until the end of time" (see Dan.12: 4,9). . In summary: From December 22, 165 BC - "for 2300 days (years)" (cf. Ezekiel 4: 6) i.e., - to December 22, 2136 AD - and "then the holy place will be properly restored". Nine months later (see Rev.12: 2,5) - from the day of the autumnal equinox September 23, 2137 AD until the early spring of 2141 AD, that "little horn" of Dan. Ch.7, described that originates from the fourth beast or kingdom (see Dan.7: 7,8,19-21) will become the Antichrist at the (for him 42 months) appointed time (see Dan.7: 25,26; 2 Thess.2: 3-10; cf. Rev.13: 5). . In addition: "The King’s Star", associated by the Jews with the Messiah, i.e., - the planet Jupiter/Yahweh [the Sanskrit name "Shiva" or "sHiWaHY" ("The Seventh" - i.e., Hindu name of the planet Jupiter) in Hebrew read from right-to-left is "YHWH"; the Hebrew "Messiah" ("Savior") is actually the Hindu "ME Shivah" - "The Divine Stone of Jupiter"], it takes nearly 12 years to make a complete orbit around the Sun in its orbit. Twelve years is the period during which Jupiter moves through the zodiacal constellations, spending about a year in each of them. Accordingly, Jupiter stands in the constellation "Virgo" once every 12 years. The last time this happened was in the second half of m. September and October 2017 year. Probably both Rev.12: 1 and Dan.8: 14 seem to indicate the same very specific time: - the day of the winter solstice - December 22, 2136 AD. According to what is described in Rev.12: 2 "the woman" "and in pain to give birth" and 9 months later (see Rev.12: 5) - on the day of the autumnal equinox - on September 23, 2137 AD, "the male child" - the New Star (see Numbers 24: 17; see Rev.1: 7) - the glorified planet Jupiter will really (and 120 years after 2017, exactly the year in which to) stand again in the zodiacal constellation "Virgo" (figuratively - "the woman" "gave birth to a son, a male child").

[@ChristopherHarle41048]

Dear Krasimir Karev. I agree with the Adventist Church's (and therefore Doug Batchelor's) interpretation. Your explanation shows you have tried to grasp this through an alternative route. Forgive me, I do not have the inclination to follow up and explain every detail where I disagree with you, but thank you anyway. May the gracious Saviour guide us both closer to Him, despite disparities in out prophetic understandings. Sincerely, Chris Harle.

[@Bluemann023]

is it nero?

[@ChristopherHarle41048]

Did you listen to the upload?

[@dustins382]

It's antiochus and Nero and the spirit of them. Partial preterism

[@dustins382]

"both catholicism and protestantism have drifted away from the word of God" Agreed! Perhaps you need to look at Eastern Orthodox because we haven't changed from the apostles and it's verifiable. Remember the first step to truth is humility. Humility = the willingness to be wrong.

[@ChristopherHarle41048]

Hi, Dustin S. I live in a country where the Eastern Orthodox Church is the state church. I have been to a wedding and to two baptisms. I find the approach of the priests friendly, but I do not understand the language. Thank you for your suggestion. When I get time I'll try to look a little closer. Sincerely, Chris Harle.

[@dustins382]

@@ChristopherHarle41048 thank you for the response Chris, there is a lot of difference from Orthodox and Catholics nowadays and often looking into history, we can assume Rome has always been the way they are in present day. However a deep look into church history shows otherwise. The great schism of 1054 shows why Rome is why they are today, Orthodox retaining the true faith (the rest of Christendom, all separated by thousands of miles but still practicing the same faith taught by the apostles) There's a few books I can recommend, "the Orthodox Church" and "the Orthodox way" both by Timothy Ware, and regarding sola scriptura: "the souls longing" by Dr Mary S Ford. For history, the Schaff set is considered the standard. Philip Schaff. Please look into it, everybody that does in earnest says they had no idea how rich of a treasure trove of spiritual teachings existed.

[@ChristopherHarle41048]

Thank you for your suggested reading. I appreciate your sincerity. Sincerely, Chris Harle.

[@trukeesey8715]

White horse rider of Revelation 19 came in the clouds in 1972, has been working in chapters 17-19. Listen to Prem Rawat!

[@clintsequipment]

How silly🤣👊. This is why PROTESTANTS insisted that the apocrypha be included in the Geneva and KJV🤔. So that this ridiculous conclusion would never happen. Read the notes of the Geneva Bible 🙂. Read Martin Luther’s conclusions and maybe William Tyndale🧐🧐🧐.

[@ChristopherHarle41048]

Thank you, Clint Gilbert. This is, generally, what the Seventh-day Adventist Church teaches. I know that many oppose this view. Should you want, here is a playlist that covers more on Daniel, "Q3 2006 - The Gospel, 1844 and Judgment - Doug Batchelor - Sabbath School Study Archive" kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXi2aXl_ga6NsKc Sincerely, Chris Harle.

[@clintsequipment]

@@ChristopherHarle41048 Thank you! I’m familiar with the argument 🙂. Evenings and Mornings (daily sacrifices) 2300 actual days compared to Time Times and 1/2(dividing of time), 42 moons, 3 1/2 days = 1260 actual days 🙂. Nothing original here🙂 I just agree with the Sabbath keeping Protestants before me. William Tyndale discovered that the popes were the little horn of Daniel 7. Daniel 8’s little horn comes out of the Greek beast🧐 and Daniel 7’s little horn comes up in the dividing of the Roman Empire 🧐. 1844 is a failed, re-written and redefined fail, and a diversion tactic of the Jesuit Order. The Seventh Day Adventists were selected by the Jesuit Order much like the Jehovah’s Witnesses were created by the Jesuit Order to create a Hegelian dialectic concerning pagan sexual rituals like Christ Mass and EASTer(Ishtar)🧐🤔. Christ Mass was illegal here at one time 😶. The Sabbath is being identified with a group that can’t read Daniel 8 without stuffing it into a failed interpretation 🧐 while the other “Protestant” groups have embraced Jesuit eschatology completely along with Roman Catholic holy days and the mark of the beast itself, Sunday (claimed as their sign)🔥

[@ChristopherHarle41048]

@@clintsequipment Hi again, Clint Gilbert. It seems you have studied this more than I have. Here are x2 playlists that attempt to defend the Adventist position, 1) "1844 made simple - INVESTIGATIVE JUDGEMENT" kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHOkdIhrd82ap9U 2) "1844 end of Daniel's 2300 day prophecy" kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKmYcqp3jJ10d5o I understand if you are familiar with this already. 3) here is someone who asks us to think again, "INVESTIGATIVE JUDGEMENT - A New Understanding - Dr Tim Jennings" kzbin.info/www/bejne/qaullKmoZcaHfJI Thanking you for your sincere desire to find the truth in all this. I am a layman and not "heavy" on prophetic interpretation. May the LORD guide us both. Sincerely, Chris Harle

[@clintsequipment]

@@ChristopherHarle41048 Thank you! If I was to pick a denomination it would be one that interprets prophecy using the Scriptures and history as the Seventh Day Adventists do. I find they are in error on Daniel 8 by ignoring the obvious horrifying fulfillment by Antiochus Epiphanies and 2300 days that the Temple stood defiled. The feast of Hanukkah that Yeshua attended in John 10 was a celebration of this rededication🙂. Yeshua stressed that the desolation that Daniel predicted was quickly approaching in His day🙂. The 1844 idea overlaps the 1260 years of Daniel 7 rather than fitting into the timeline of history as it should. The 2300 days are literal days, approx. 6 years and 4 months, and are the time from which Antiochus IV Epiphianes sacked Jerusalem, and plundered the temple. From 170 -169 BC to the time that Judah, son of Mattathias (Maccabean) restored and cleansed the temple in approx. Dec 165(4) BC was the time the temple and the host (people) were trodden under foot 🙂. When the apocryphal books of Maccabees was removed after the American civil war the history was lost soon after. Outrageously, the apocrypha, became known as Catholic 🤣🤣🤣👊. My 1560-1800 Textus Receptus Bibles have the apocrypha in them along with their explanation for printing it😎👊. Blessings 🙂

[@ChristopherHarle41048]

@@clintsequipment Hi again, Clint Gilbert. I found this upload, "Exact Proof the Bible is Accurate Using Time Prophecy | Mark Finley" kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHjddGuPfaqErck It makes clear the Adventist position. Sincerely, Chris Harle.