Daniel Barenboim & Christoph Waltz on Beethoven and the Inner Ear

[@DanielBarenboim]

What fascinates you the most about Beethoven?

[@AlexOtten44]

He could hear by touching the piano and feeling the vibrations.

[@llqauuutxcoridusm]

His music is extremely creative

[@NinyoTafer]

His music is, for the lack of a better word, raw. Shamelessly open, human... pure. Full of contrasts yet congruent. I would like to think that he found the touch of the almighty creator inside of us by diving deep in his soul, and brought a little ray of truth for the world to wonder.

[@felixdevilliers1]

His extraordinary inventiveness from bar to bar - this leaves me speechless with wonder. How did he dsre to be so bold? It's Schoenberg already....

[@felixdevilliers1]

@@josemanuelgesto8710 - I agree.

[@christianloper9483]

I love how he described playing for others and that subconscious (or conscious) transition that occurs when someone walks into the room. It's always nice to have someone to hear you :)

[@KaisarAnvar]

Oh Lord, I'm thankful for being alive to witness TWO of the greatest human beings discussing the career path I chose for my life. I would also like to sincerely say, that Christoph Waltz REALLY knows how to listen to understand, rather than listen to response. What a legend... Thank you both masters, for your time, energy, dedication, and everything you have been doing for all of us. We will always bow to the Lord, and to the masters. Stay healthy, safe, and we will always love you both. Bravo, bravo...

[@crespojosef]

Part of the conversation reminded me of of François Couperin who said: “I would rather make somebody feel something, than to impress them.”

[@frennuk]

Mr Barenboim having a KZbin channel is fantastic!

[@felixdevilliers1]

Barenboim is of course right - you can't deduce the music from the life. Art negates our empirical existence; that is its whole point - to take a step into another dimension. Schumann may have been inspired by Clara to compose his Phantasie op.17 but once he puts down the notes the music follows its own logic I always remember Emily Bronte saying, "It is the pen that writes, not I." The works must be allowed to create themselves.

[@hstanekovic]

Yes, music speaks for itself

[@felixdevilliers1]

@@hstanekovic - Yes, but by speaking for itself it speaks for us, taking us out of the reality in which we are trapped. It creates a new fusion between the instinctive expressive self and the ego. To give only one example, Adorno says that Schumann, in his best moments, breaks the knot of the hardened ego. I have been listening to the Beethoven Quartets, hearing them as never before, quite stunned, almost shocked by their originality. A lot of wonderful breaking up going on there, from bar to bar. And I have not yet gotten back to the late Quartets, I mean already op. 18, the Rasumovsky and oithers. Just listen to no.10 in E flat, preferably played by the Alban Berg quartet.

[@leedufour]

Thanks Christoph and Daniel!

[@jeanaborilova9717]

Beethoven is a truly exceptional example of understanding the very creation of a sonata or other creation - it does not depend on what we physically hear. It is a child of the inner "ear". And such great interpreters as Maestro Barenboim also first have this inner sound and manage to make it external. Now I explain to myself the feeling when I watched his magical conducting.

[@AureliaPempenic64]

Thank you, Mr Barenboim, I totally agree with you, regarding Beethoven interpretation, when he was writing music he was in the world of the spirit and nothing about his life appeared in it, this I believe totally !!

[@khann2159]

What a pleasure getting to watch Mr. Barenboin discussing Beethoven ! Keep it up maestro, best regards!

[@SlavaYurevich]

Wonderful, maestro!

[@crespojosef]

Part of what Mr. Barenboim said, reminded me of François Couperin: “ I would rather make somebody feel something, than to impress them.”

[@mylifeisanadagioindminor6084]

I’ve never seen Christoph Waltz so unsettled, usually he holds such a confident posture in similar environments, but you can perceive that over here, he’s quite nervous and even thinking beforehand what he’d express after Barenboim. There’s even a glimpse of an approval expectation from Barenboim, pretty much as I’d behaviour in front of the persons who inspire me!

[@susanryman9948]

Beethoven’s 7th - second movement. Glorious!

[@coopersheldon1589]

연기하는거랑 실제로 저렇게 이야기하는거랑 똑같은 배우는 크리스토퍼 월츠가 처음인거같다... 진짜 명배우다.. 저렇게 앉아서 설명하다가 갑자기 씨익 웃으면서 독일군모 쓰고 루거 끄내서 쏠거같아

[@pianowolferio2726]

Keep em comming!!👏👏🙏🙏🙏

[@JPGCMA]

Es lo que pasa cuando hay un genio y, simplemente, otro, bueno, pero otro

[@huisanlim96]

Thanks for your knowledge.👍👍👍👍

[@aldoringo439]

Another one! Thank god.

[@robertmarcus9653]

The rhythmic influence of the native language of the composer. The accent (almost syncopated) on the first syllable that comes naturally to the Hungarians is forced by the Germans. Bartok and Kodaly in Hungary. Beethoven in German speaking countries. Witness the last movement of the 2nd Piano Concerto. Continued next.

[@ekash_tiwari]

Doubt! I have compared pieces played by a modern instrument orchestra with a period instrument orchestra (London Classical Players)... I was totally surprised by the difference in scale... The same piece, in, say, F major seemed transposed a semitone lower in the period instrument orchestra version, so how can the very piece remain in same F major, despite being transposed? Was F major different in late antiquity?

[@fa-la-mi-mi-re]

That is a good point that hardly no one puts forward!Instruments were tuned lower because made in wood frames for one thing.Secondly I know that pianos are nowadays tuned slightly higher(a few cents ) to be above the orchestra.The standard A (440 hertz) is continuously set higher in that optic...which means we could get a full tone higher in a few years if we keep "playing" in such a way.Let us remember that Bach's clavichord were lower thant today...so were Mozart's .What becomes of the lovelyness of the key signatures???I wonder!!!More can be discussed about this interesting topic.

[@ekash_tiwari]

@@fa-la-mi-mi-re so true!

[@robertmarcus9653]

That’s to make a more high-powered sound in the larger halls of today. Also, perhaps subconsciously, to compete with high-pressured sounds of the phonograph at first and earbud of today. Imagine now we have an entire Strauss orchestra stuffed in our ears.

[@Violinist265]

Thank you ❤️

[@HoHoMoMoo]

Very interesting discussion

[@agustinsalces4773]

Que lastima que no está la opción en español del subtítulo. Muchas gracias Daniel.

[@arielmarci5352]

Subtítulos en español por favor, gracias.

[@christophwaltzvaultz]

Love ❤️

[@robertmarcus9653]

I would venture to say that the rhythms of one’s native tongue is the greatest influence; consciously or subconsciously. And therein the rhythm and sound of one’s own name being most influential, subconsciously for sure. Mozart’s phrases most often end with the rhythm of his name as pronounced in German. Moh-tzart. Tahh-tam. Beethoven’s much more rhythmical. Ludwig van Beethoven. Latitah-Titatam. Bartók breaks much harder. End of 2nd movement of MSPC, ending of first movement of Concerto for Orchestra. Stravinsky, like icicles breaking in the air. Debussy, as misty as it sounds. Oh well, it may be my piped dreams. But the thought occurs to me often. 💯👀🌻

[@andreybogoslovsky7591]

Imagine a Barenboim discussing Beethoven with Bernstein... That would be a blockbuster Don't understand what Waltz is here for - makes no sence. He'd better be asking questions - not expressing his out-of-music thoughts

[@bordaz1]

I love this, it's like a program from the old days of tv - like the NBC Omnibus - where the cultural importance of Beethoven's music is reinforced by the perspectives of famous people that aren't musicians, as well as teaching from great musicians like Barenboim.

[@fa-la-mi-mi-re]

Andrey:I don't see the point of his questions either but I admire barenboim remaining calm,listening to him carefully politely.

[@robertmarcus9653]

The fugues he wrote, or forced. I can feel them but I can’t understand them, yet. I never give up on them. Nor do I think he was wrong.

[@Theairsoftnerd]

Just came here for Christoph Waltz

[@tomekp95]

When was this dialogue recorded?

[@nadiagreen1185]

❤

[@daniellerouaix1387]

sous titrage en français s'il vous plait.

[@Carl-FriedrichWelker]

Since when is Christoph Waltz an expert in classical music?

[@SAXloungeEF]

Last not least, what do you want to tell us??? Overall about what the title says??? Here is two persons presenting themselves 😥

[@therightmusic7639]

It's usually not easy to talk to a Scorpio without them trying to make you feel you're wrong all the time. They can be pretty intimidating, unfortunately. Given Christoph Waltz is not a musician, he seems the ideal prey on a tray here... Anyway, It's always nice to see and hear two great artists trying to analyze and describe something as subjective and sublime as (Beethoven's) music... Not easy in your native language, let alone in a second one... Using the instrument to explain what you mean is usually a lot more effective than words... Interesting video.

[@thanasisathanasopoulos5353]

Actually he is a musician, as it seems Christoph Waltz, studied opera and singing in Vienna.

[@patricedhanis3546]

Love the moonlight sonata.

[@cathaypacific2118]

I thought Christopher Waltz is just an actor 😂🙏🙏

[@ArielleSingingSirene]

Christoph - Du bist oberflächlich und inkompetent zu diesem Thema! LET IT BE 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@ArielleSingingSirene]

Christoph 😖 m m m LET IT BE

[@alexanderfiebrandt6732]

Was hat Waltz mit Musik zu tun? Er stammelt ganz schön rum. Ich kann mir das nicht antun und hätte lieber nur Barenboim zugehört.

[@mrnarason]

This Waltz guy here fumbles over his words and clearly knows very little or nothing about music. So why is he here having a discussion with Barenboim?? Please get someone with on that can match Barenboim's knowledge, insight or commentary.

[@IanChingMusic]

I'm pretty sure he's speaking with Barenboim for *precisely* this fact - to gain his insights! Waltz is an artist of his own caliber in a totally discrete field; i.e., acting.

[@chriscoreolan9103]

@@IanChingMusic Waltz is exactly the right one for this dialogue: classical music should not be for just a few, it is for all, as the question is not "Who was Beethoven?" The question is about finding the answer, what this music does with me and us.

[@robertmarcus9653]

You’re to presumptuous about the knowledge of Mr Waltz. He seems wonderfully engaged, humble and curious. His presence is very satisfying. 🌾🌱☘️💯🌻

[@mrnarason]

@@robertmarcus9653 Ehh not really dude. I'd rather him talk to other amateur musicians or like Arie Vardi on intermezzo, not this Mr. Waltz guy.

[@alexanderfiebrandt6732]

you have got it!

[@wizardb222]

Good publicity agents

[@angelademarco-duggan3064]

Who thought this was a good idea. Waltz stumbles around looking to frame a sentence and maestro rescues the moment.

[@fa-la-mi-mi-re]

@@angelademarco-duggan3064 Indeed as I was saying maestro Barenboim is extremely patient .

[@wizardb222]

good publicity agents