Daniel Smith Color Showdown Ep 9: Green Gold vs Rich Green Gold

[@alejandromorales9516]

Rich Green Gold all the way! I think between it, Pthalo Green and Perylene Green (and at least one yellow and blue on your palette) you can mix a wide assortment of green shades. I particularly like it for the flesh tones you get with a magenta or Perylene Maroon. It's also great for foliage. I saw somewhere someone used a triad of Rich Green Gold, Perylene Maroon and Prussian Blue. I've been wanting to make a painting or a sketch with those.

[@OtoKano]

woooo rich green gold with perylene maroon? This I must try! Thank you Alejandro. That triad sounds beautifully intense!

[@everartokelli]

I know this is very late comment, but until 2000 DS Green Gold was PG10 (a discontinued pigment, Nickel Chelated Azo complex similar to Nickel Azo Yellow) and the 3 pigment mix emulates the original color.

[@roxannelewis6490]

These comparisons shows are so informative. I feel overwhelmed at times with all the colors and choices. Watching your videos has helped me a great deal in establishing a better watercolor palette. Thank you.

[@WendiWells]

Thank you for this video! I’ve always wondered about Rich Green Gold. I have Green Gold in my quick sketching palette, which is a Pocket Palette (the size of a business card holder) from Expeditionary Art. I’ve configured it to hold 28 mini pans. This palette lives in my handbag with my sketchbook, a waterbrush, and a pen. Having many colors saves me some time and allows me sketch more quickly without having to worry about mixing when I’m out and about. I enjoy letting colors mix and mingle on the paper, instead of taking time to mix an exact color. I use Green Gold, Sap Green, Deep Sap Green, and Undersea Green as convenient colors to capture the lights and darks of green foliage.

[@PetaHewitt]

Another great comparison, thank you. Btw, my go to Caucasian skin colour mix is green gold and quinacridone rose for an interesting looking flesh tone. I found on certain papers I get this very faint, very fine vein looking effect which gives a nice subtle texture that I love. I have no idea why but I haven't been able to reproduce it with any other combination.

[@OtoKano]

wow! Green gold and quinacridone rose? That is fascinating. I'm going to have to do a more detailed color mixing study of those two colors. Thank you very much.

[@YourMajesty143]

Peta! I love your channel, I've learned so much from you on how to shade skin color in coloring books!

[@tarad5127]

I LOVE green gold, it's one of my favourite colours. It is really useful for doing sunlight on foliage - it has that really bright springy yellow green that works really well for highlights on trees and leaves. It also mixes really well with sap green and burnt sienna to make nice foliage shadows

[@dorothyziemann8592]

Tara D )

[@OtoKano]

seems like the these colours are perfect for botanical paintings. Thank you for letting us know :D

[@ChristinaTodd1970]

Tara D , I can see that being a really good use for it.

[@gorway7]

The lighter Green Gold is a lovely fresh green but to be honest, it is easy enough to replicate. I use my favourite Sennelier PY3 lemon yellow with a touch of DS Sap Green or PY3 and a spot of Hooker Green, that generally contains PG36 and will give you a similar spring green. On the other hand the Rich Green Gold PY129 I find useful in landscape painting as my previous mixed approximations using yellow ochre and Sap green or any other earth yellow/blue combinations tend to be rather dull and lack that luminosity.

[@InLiquidColor]

Finally, I feel a bit vindicated! :) I'm not a big fan of PY129 but everyone loves it. I suppose I'll see later in my color spotlight series if I have any uses for it, but I just don't get. As for DS's green gold , I bought it and put it on my first palette. I rarely use it anymore, but it makes delicious browns when mixed with warm reds in high concentrations :)

[@OtoKano]

Yeah I have to say, PY129 looked prettier on the palette than on paper. I guess it's a good supporting color. A lot of people seem to use it for landscapes and botanical. For those, I can totally see it's a useful color. It's just not a color that will be used much by me.

[@farmwife7944]

I use py129 as found in M.Graham Azo Green and QOR Green Gold and find it makes really useful mixes for landscapes and botanical art.. A light wash makes a subtle yellow and in heavier concentrations it mixes well with roses and red to tone them down a bit (the green neutralizing the red) making it more useful for my art. You love the bright/brilliant transparent palette and for that py129 would not appeal to you. (in the same manner, I have no use for transparent py orange. gasp, lol!) It all depends on what we are using it for and since I do landscapes and botanical, the py129 is very well used. (I also follow you and enjoy your videos, thanks)

[@YourMajesty143]

It's value isn't easy to see on its own, but as a mixing color it's incredibly valuable.

[@YourMajesty143]

I think the gauzing has more to do with how pigments behave with one another. Staining colors are much finer and much more easy to settle into the tooth of the paper, especially Pthalo colors. But Nickle Azo Yellow is a dominating pigment known for its ability to charge into other colors, similar to the way Qor paints run on the paper. My guess is that the combination of Pthalo Green separating & staining the gauze, while Nickle Azo competes & pushes itself out into the lower area, is what's causing the appearance of separation. I've recently watched a video called "My Island Palette" where Nickle Azo Yellow was kicked off the island (her palette) bc it refused to play nice with her other colors. I also watched Irit Landgraf display this feature of Nickle Azo Yellow on her channel, but in her case she loves the effect for loose watercolor & refuses to be without it.

[@grayblosser6630]

I actually really like Green Gold and I do find that it mixes fine for me. When you darken it with neutral tint it makes a fantastic color for evergreens if I'm remembering right. It's the one color that having multiple pigments doesn't bother me too much.

[@Leanna_Weber_Art]

I have both and love them both especially love the rich green gold.

[@ColleenM61]

Oooh good one!! I ordered the green gold about a month ago, then saw there was a rich green gold and was a little upset that I didn't get that one instead. But thanks to this experiment I am now very happy with my purchase :)

[@happymv5350]

Love how you approach your paint reviews and assessments.

[@laurahale5774]

Thank you so much for providing such wonderful information.

[@arleebean]

I was highly considering the rich green gold for a long time, and I really love seeing it here. I feel the same in that I’m not sure how it would fit into my palette, but it’s such a gorgeous color. I really adore them both, but I tend to shy away from greens for some reason.

[@OtoKano]

I can totally see the rich green gold going well with the colours you use often!

[@SophieBird07]

I really love watching these comparisons. I am so new to this. You amaze me.

[@devanshi2193]

I wish i had watched this before buying!! I accidentally bought green gold, expecting the Rich green gold!

[@christinefaith7762]

I love green gold for botanicals, I'm not a fan of "pure green" so this yellowy green I love! I use it almost everytime I paint, but I'm more a loose florals type of messy artist so it works for me.

[@kimleon-guerrero9980]

I have the green gold and I like using it in my back grounds. Thanks for the video. ✨💞✨💫

[@creativesolutionstoart]

And painting portraits, these would make a wonderful eyecolor

[@angelamills9915]

I use a lkt of green gold in adapting greens, but it is a nightmare to lift out! Hence my joy in finding your excellent comparison series and D.S. Rich Green Gold! Thankyou Oto. Angela Mills

[@heathercatlady546]

Thanks for another terrific comparison video! I haven’t used Green Gold before, but I do have Rich Green Gold. I find the earthy appearance of the RGG is great for landscape pieces. I find that when it’s highly diluted, it’s very yellow in appearance, which I find especially helpful when going for a sunlit appearance in foliage. The green undertone of the yellow doesn’t look unnatural. Regarding the appearance of lines when using gauze on the green gold, I wonder if it is the result of separation between the phthalo blue and the yellows? I’m curious about that now, too! I wonder if testing using mixes with a similar composition of staining and non staining colors would produce similar results? Sounds like a potential video to me! LOL Thanks again! I’m thoroughly enjoying this series! Cheers! 😸

[@OtoKano]

I know what you mean Heather, my mind is also racing with how to figure out this gauzing thing. Maybe try and find single pigment colors of the three pigments? I'll have a look in my stock to see if I have those pigments as individual pigments.

[@YourMajesty143]

Staining colors are much finer and much more easy to settle into the tooth of the paper, especially Pthalo colors. But Nickle Azo Yellow is a dominating pigment known for its ability to charge into other colors, similar to the way Qor paints run on the paper. My guess is that the combination of Pthalo Green separating & sinking, while Nickle Azo pushes itself over the top of the other 2 is what's causing some kind of separation. I've recently watched a video called "My Island Palette" where Nickle Azo Yellow was kicked off the island (her palette) bc it refused to play nice with her other colors. I also watched Irit Landgraf display this feature of Nickle Azo Yellow on her channel, but in her case she loves the effect for loose watercolor & refuses to be without it.

[@ChristinaTodd1970]

After hearing all the hype about Green Gold, I was very excited when I found out Green Gold was included in the QOR 24 tube 5ml set I recently purchased. I have to say that I have been extremely underwhelmed. The QOR Green Gold is more like the Daniel Smith RICH Green Gold, but I feel that people use the word interchangeably when in fact It’s the RICH Green Gold that everyone seems to rave over. Again, my tube is QOR and I have not tried either color by Daniel Smith, but being completely underwhelmed, I don’t see myself buying either color any time soon. I’m not a super big Sap Green fan either, so maybe that has something to do with it? If I were to rave over some greens they would be Cascade Green and Perylene Green by Daniel Smith! I love and adore both of those greens, otherwise I prefer to mix my own.

[@OtoKano]

The Cascade green and Perylene greens are both very strong, characterful colors. So yeah compare to that, I can totally see how the green gold and the rich green gold would be a bit underwhelming. I hope you are enjoying the rest of your QoR set!

[@pikkuoo]

The gauze effect was really interesting in the green gold! I think it must be the phthalo green separating from the mix for some reason, after all the linear pattern looks bright green. I have both of these in my "floral palette" ( ooh, sounds so fancy and professional 😎) because many flower stems and leaves actually have both kind of tones in them. I also use green gold in landscapes pretty much as is. Sometimes I add rich green gold if I want an earthier look, it gives paintings some balls as browns tend to do too. Pardon my French there! 🙄 Thank you Oto for a really interesting video! I'll look into being a patron next month, now I have a Corfu trip to burn money on. 😃

[@OtoKano]

great to know how you use both on a palette! Thank you :D

[@MassimilianoDeliso]

I was thinking of mixing a 5ml tube of PY129 with a 5ml tube of PBk31 and trying to get a ” Deep Green Gold” color maybe a new version of sap green, who knows! What do you think?

[@aislinngraves4291]

I would use the green gold with the water blooms for rendering corals and with the gauze for a sea fan. :)

[@GwenMeharg]

Green gold is one of my favorite colors. I use it all the time in watercolor and acrylic. They are great for glazing and unifying areas. It kinda replaced quin gold for me when they stopped making it years ago. Are they making quin gold again? I think I saw it.

[@CloudslnMyCoffee]

I suddenly want a golden pear in golden syrup

[@ColoringKaria]

I’m so curious about how these color compare to the sennelier brown green. LOL.

[@FranciscaPires]

Well, the senellier's brown green is the same pigment as the rich green gold and it's really close to what rich green green gold looks in the video :)

[@jewellmoebus7976]

these comparisons r so helpful as r ur comments. I luv DS WC paints especially the Quinn's. I often agree w u as to my favorite colors of the 2-3 shown. I particularly favor good mixing colors. I.e. Undersea Green. Do u remove the gauze after it dries.? I like the Green Gold best also & have it but don't use it a lot except in landscapes or dropping into a wet on wet leaf or tree leaves highlight. It's so pretty I couldn't resist buying it. Jewell.

[@OtoKano]

Yes, once the area is thoroughly dry, you can just peel the gauze off.

[@EveBolt]

I love both these colors, they are quite useful in their own way :) It was surprising to see the Green gold gauze well (isn't the quin gold hue a granulating color for some reason..?)

[@OtoKano]

no, quin gold hue doesn't create the lines in gauzing :/

[@Donna_G]

I like both of those colors; but, I don't have either one. Since I paint the trees and grasses of central Washington, either one would be suitable. However, I could probably make better use of the Rich Green Gold.

[@RinN3-.]

Very interesting... thank you 🙏 😊

[@sherrikent6628]

Love your series. Thank you so much!❤❤❤

[@jakewaitart9507]

Loll I just finished putting together my Daniel Smith palette after investing in their dot cards to test all the colors and I have both Green Gold and Rich Green Gold in my palette, I’ve yet to use it much but it’ll be interesting to see whether I value having both or not

[@MontuckyGirl75]

I love both, they are in separate palettes for me.

[@stevesidare2493]

One thing you might want to add to your testing is lifting/blotting with a tissue. It can display the mixed pigment qualities that would otherwise not be revealed. (Example: Ult Turquoise would show more green where blotted, yielding a variation of color)

[@OtoKano]

That's a fantastic idea, thank you!

[@grahamhoefer8229]

I absolutely love these videos. Would you consider doing Payne's gray vs sodalite genuine? I have both of them on my palette right now and I realized they're very similar.

[@OtoKano]

Absolutely! I will note it down and consider it for season 2. Thank you for your suggestion.

[@grahamhoefer8229]

Awesome! I just signed up for your patreon and since I have both of these on my palette I'd be happy to send them as dot cards.

[@LanaGoesArt]

Both colors are gorgeous and let me think of sping in their lightness and the yummy colors they create when mixing with the yellows and reds. :)

[@OtoKano]

Yes! They remind me of spring too :D they make me so happy.

[@GabrielleCarbonneau]

I would pick the rich green gold, but they’re both lovely.

[@capbin146]

Hi Oto , love your reviews. Here’s an idea if no one else has mentioned it Teoh in Singapore has started squeezing colours into half pans and selling them for space and to buy more. I know you do dot cards but I would have loved some of the colours in Schminke super granulating but 1 tube £15 is a lot. I don’t do patreon because it’s in dollars and I have 4 channels I love. Maybe if I win the lottery. Thanks

[@dclua]

...I love both! If I could afford it, then I would have a palette with every green out there. Since I paint mainly characters, those might fall in the convenience colors I wouldn't need to mix for hair, skin or clothing... Speaking about mixing I've been wondering this a while from seeing your color showdown series. The mixes between Holbein and DS, IMO, sometimes turn out to be a little bit duller in comparison to the mixes between DS with DS. Would you say DS is a brand that works well with mixing with other brands or it's better to mix it with its own? (BTW sorry if there is some weird wording in my question, hope I was able to make it clear)

[@OtoKano]

with the swatches in my hand, I don't really see a divide in the clarity of the color produced between Holbein and DS. The paint's individual hue and how it mixes with the main color (being close to its complimentary color) has much more to do with the brightness or dullness of the resulting mix.

[@dclua]

Arg, sorry again for the late reply! Thank you so much for the clarification. I'm honestly glad they are good to mix with other brands then!

[@orchidzhou5754]

just wondering why the salts effect are so different between the two colours?

[@sincostanian]

Salt never works for me, I never considered that it might be the paint rather than my technique! 😁 Do you have any tips about how to get the maximum effect out of salt? Eg. How water : pigment ratios or how wet/dry it should be when adding the salt? Also, does anyone else have a problem getting the salt off the paper after it dries?

[@OtoKano]

I haven't done enough salting to be able to give you any tips on the salting itself. However, I do have a tip for getting all the salt off! Gently scrape the paper with a palette knife. The best one are the pointy diamond shaped ones. It gets all the salt off.

[@sincostanian]

Oto Kano thank you! Hopefully the plastic one I have will work ☺️

[@AmandaMG6]

I wait a little bit for the paint to partially dry and get sharper effect.

[@smoochyscoop]

I’ve been considering the Rich Green Gold. Thanks for the comparison! It really helps my decision making seeing all you wonderful swatches and tests. Doesn’t help my wallet though lol

[@OtoKano]

You are so welcome, so glad it helps you make a more confident decision. Thank you for watching the video!

[@adildraws]

Good information.

[@MeowMeowKapow]

Aaah! I LOVE green gold! Haven't seen or used rich green gold, but.... Man. It's purty, too. But it doesn't really strike me as a green, so it's kind of hard for me to want to compare or exchange them for one another. 6:55 Hee hee.... You said doo doo. =>.

[@MeowMeowKapow]

Oh, and I use my green gold as..... a green. =>.>= Because it is. And I like it. =>.

[@OtoKano]

HA HA HA HA HA Oh my, I did! lmao

[@masja1790]

Your green gold looks nothing like the one I have...also from DS. Mine looks a lot more like rich green gold. Hmmmm...

[@debrafullard4670]

neither

[@annmolander9422]

Neither