SAWSTOP 3hp Cabinet Table Saw // Long Term Review w/ Accessories

[@irakopilow9223]

Very good in-depth review. My how time flies. I can't believe you've had this fopr more than 3 years! From my observations, I found that the best thing about the SawStop was stability and balance. Never any vibration. I too never heard of any specific brand of dado stack that was needed. Just be sure to calibrate the cartridge to the stack. The only thing I would add is it is nice to get extra throat places so you can make zero clearance inserts. Thanks for a great video

[@carpetbomberz]

14:21 Quality, yes! I love that you put the dial gauge on the table and the inclinometer on the blade. Always smart to double-check occasionally.

[@RB-wl7ct]

When something looks that good you know it should be worth it. Would love to see one in my workshop. Thanks Linn

[@ecowoodie]

Great review of a great saw. We had a 5hp ICS and disabled the safety often as we used a large amount of reclaimed wood at risk for metal. Also, we used a standard 8" dado set with their dado brake assembly. Never heard about needing to use their set. Enjoy your channel...

[@billlichirie14]

Good to see you in your new shop,👍.

[@colinmckague2656]

Finally a thorough review. Thanks

[@MCsCreations]

Pretty impressive tool indeed, Linn! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@KCwood51]

I have the 3hp PCS model going on 3 years. I love it, I've engaged the bypass many times with no problems, I have the 4" overhead dust collection that works pretty good as long as you don't split one 4" line into two for the saw/overhead dust collection. You would get better results on your smaller overhead dust collection with your shop vac due to increased velocity. You don't need a special dado set as long as it's 8" and I believe no wider than 7/8". If you go wider, the outer blade might not contact the cartridge during activation and it will keep spinning. I'm hoping to get the sliding portion sometime next year. The fit and finish is outstanding with no vibrations while running it. One of my favorite purchases I've made.

[@jd1399]

I know you love the 3hp but do you think the 1.75 would suffice, when have you needed 3hp? im trying to decide myself... thanks!

[@KCwood51]

@@jd1399 I've cut 2 inch walnut, sapele, oak, and other hard woods and I've never come close to bogging it down. I'm pretty sure I could have gotten away with the 1.75 HP model using quality blades but the price difference wasn't that big in my opinion. I know how to do electrical work, so putting in the 240v line wasn't costly for me. I've read a lot of reviews from people with the 1.75 and they have no regrets on their purchase. Have fun with whatever you choose, it's a great saw.

[@briand2507]

Great overview. I need a simple outfeed table that fills away, seems perfect for me. You are smart to maximize the use of your best tool in the shop.

[@theboss1625]

Great video, very informative, great screen presence, very enjoyable.

[@tahevol]

I'm currently shopping to upgrade to a SawStop for safety reasons, but wasn't sure which accessories were worthwhile. Your review was very helpful. Thank you.

[@darbinorvar]

Great to hear, thank you!

[@abeanand6452]

Great video thanks very much! Could you explain or post a video on how to centre the router fence to the router bit please? As the fence can more from side to side I find it very difficult and annoying to centre it to the bit and wish it was just fixed in the centre! Many thanks.

[@MD-en3zm]

Linn - I had the same issues with dust collection and found a great solution. Use a cheap shop vac (I use a $35 harbor freight 3hp vac - very compact). Attach that to the overarm dust collector and then connect the exhaust from that vac using a wye fitting into the dust collector hose. You need high fpm to suck up the dust from that small hose. You don’t even need a filter though for the shop vac since it’s connecting into your dust collector - it uses that filter. Shop vacs do high fpm but low cfm while dust collectors do the reverse. That’s why dust collectors just don’t really work with small hose.

[@jimmyjames3220]

Hi Darbin nice video! I would like to add that the quality of the cut the 3hp SawStop makes, it is surgical precision. The saw had to made like a tank to withstand shock when the safety feature activates, that resulted in almost no vibration while the saw is running because the trunnions (motor mounts) and the gears are rock solid. I've had mine for 2 years now and it's worth every penny.

[@garyconway439]

I have long enjoyed your videos, thank you. I have a similar setup but use a Festool vacuum CT-36 on the blade guard unit, as I agree a regular shop central vac (mine is 5hp Clear-Vue cyclone) does not extract well on the blade guard unit. Another comment on a 10” blade once it is embedded in a brake unit, I heard very recently that often the blade can be sent to a sharpening service, they may have to replace a tooth or so, but often the blade is not wasted after all 😅

[@plexibreath]

I have a Sawstop Contractor's saw, it's been great, but I need a bigger saw so will be upgrading to the Sawstop Professional. I bought Sawstop because I'm a guitar player / luthier, so I'll do anything to protect my hands. And I'm glad I did because I did something stupid and the mechanism kicked in and saved my fingers. I'm sold.

[@TCM1966]

Very nice review. I have the PCS. It’s been a great saw. I have the same complaint about the overarm dust collection. But my biggest complaint is with the miter gauge. The one I got had a spur on it that scratched my table top first time I slid it in its slot. Secondly it’s a very cheap one. For the price it really should have a better one. I bought a Jessum.

[@doriandari]

Goodmonring here in Mérida Yucatán, thankyou very much for the revew.. i actually have a Dwalt Saw, the same of your first table saw.. is nice to see how far you are in wood work !! Congratulations.. (sorry 'bout my english)

[@TheOneLin3]

4:18 u use slider 1 and 2 for tightening it up. Use slider 1 and 4, you spread the pressure more even and it will not be that loose. 🙏🏼

[@trep53]

I have a table saw but not a saw stop. I enjoyed your review after a few years of use.

[@EddyStyl3s]

The overhead dust hose you have is for high pressure vacuums like a shop vac or dust extractor. If you want to use your dust collector you need the 4” floating over arm dust collector. A dust collector like the ones you have really lose any suction power when you connect to a hose that small.

[@5280Woodworking]

Great overview. I’m 2 years in and still love mine. I didn’t get the sliding but everything else. The router table is outstanding! For the blade I use a Festool CT-36 and the Bluetooth remote. One button and I turn on my main collector and the Festool. I have next to zero dust and the blade guard never clogs regardless of what I cut.

[@douglasstates7968]

Thanks!

[@darbinorvar]

Thanks so much! 😁

[@crazy-eyewoodguy4489]

I have never had any problem disabling the electronics. Turn the key (to the left...I think) then start the saw and wait for the light to blink red before letting go of the key. Easy peasy, I do it all the time when cutting damp treated wood. I hope this helps.

[@joselrodriguez5999]

Glad I read this, I am about to buy one and this issue was turning me off since I cut aluminum from time to time. It does not sound that difficult.

[@scottwalker7939]

I WANT ONE!!!! Great video! watched all the way thru. maybe Santa will come through

[@bernieinsaudi]

Tune the fence on the sliding table with a dial indicator (or 5 cut method) and it’s better than any cross cut sled.

[@univega2003]

How precise and reliable is it after dialing it in? Can it get within .002-.003" over the length of the maximum, 48" or 43"?

[@IAmKyleBrown]

This is a great, thorough, and honest review. I'm hoping to be in the market in the next few years and this is very helpful. Thank you! One thought on the overhead. My understanding is that large dust collectors don't have the power (suction) to do much good in a small diameter hose. My little shop vac pulls way more in a small tube than my 3HP dust collector does. When I get my new setup, I plan to have a dedicated shop vac for overhead.

[@jasonmckenzie380]

It’s a beautiful piece of engineered equipment. I would have it if I was in the business!

[@coolinken]

That was a very good review!! Thanks for sharing!

[@adamb2619]

Sliding portion is great. At some point you start to reconsider using a track saw to bring the lighter saw to the wood panels. Great review!

[@realdwarfworkshop1271]

wow! amazing review!

[@christiancampoverde5155]

From where you are I just buy one... and I feel really happy....

[@robbrown6667]

Nice honest review. I agree the dust collection is not great and I and I have a large Onida system. I see your table top is all cast iron. Did you buy an extra cast iron insert? Nice shop, by the way.

[@tyler427438]

will the saw stop mobile base you have lift the router table as well so you can move it?

[@larryallbritton9168]

I use Trend 8inch stack dado set no problem. Just got to change to the dado 8inch cartridge and dado throat plate and check blade clearance to cartridge surface. My complaint with the SawStop is I can not use a 7 1/4 inch Skilsaw type blade on it. I used to use those blades to get a thin kerf cut of about .065. I now use a 8 inch Freud thin kerf blade but it is .085. Oh well. Cant have everything.

[@bcroft68bc]

Very nice table saw.

[@leonardbutler9338]

Hi. Nice review. I want to clarify something though, relative to dado sets. At 13:48 you say you have to use "their specific"(Sawstop's) dado stack. Yet, you show a Freud set?? I've had my SS for 9 years. Unless things have changed you CAN use many brands of dado sets. I have read however that there are certain ones that SawStop states you CANNOT use.

[@GFSwinger1693]

Can you elaborate why the slider is not best for fine and precision cuts. What do you mean by that? Are you referring cuts for length or are you talking about panel square cut precision?

[@joemanflyer2001]

Ok. Thx for your response!

[@josephkrug8579]

That saw is cool, it is just missing the 4" over the arm dust collector vs the saw guide one. Though I am not sure which actually catches more dust...it would depend on the types of cuts you do I guess for that. :)

[@jwar2163]

I have a Sawstop PCS 3HP 36 in top with a sliding table, folding outfeed, Smaller over arm dust collection tubing and hose setup. ISMB Returned the router table extension . only complaints are the opening in the outfeed for small objects and the over arm dust collection sucks.

[@superscifi12]

The sawstop will work with most dato blades, there was an issue with the anti kickback pawls on some but most work now.

[@MattStehouwer]

Thank you for the review

[@johnbies7041]

Good video, thanks 🙏

[@KyleHohn]

The stopped blade should still be useable I believe!

[@purplecookie687]

Is there a way I could power it off the grid?

[@kevinb6102]

Great video very informative

[@tammymerryweather1062]

Trying to gather the mental energy to assemble the sawstop I bought {months😬} ago.

[@danbrown6529]

What’s taking so long? You can do this!! I am trying to figure out if I can get the 3 hp sawstop down my stairs into my basement shop. I do have a few strong friends who can help me but I want to make sure it is possible before I buy.

[@TjaartDrone]

Very good review - question: you mentioned that the sliding table is not that accurate? Elaborate please.

[@ZunarZulfiqar]

Well, I own one of these sliders, so I hope I can offer some insight. For me at least, the black slider table aspect must be mounted a bit above the cast iron table of the saw. That is so that the fence of the slider doesn't smash into the cast iron table top of the saw. Mounting the slider slightly high allows the fence to float over the saw table. The problem is, this effectively means the top of your table saw isn't perfectly flat as it steps up where the saw table meets the sliding table. If you lay a panel of wood on the saw so that it extends on the cast iron saw table and the sliding crosscut table, the panel will be angled upwards just slightly due to the crosscut table having to be set above the saw table. I hope this makes sense. Setting it to a perfect 90 degrees isn't exactly easy. The detects don't work all too well as the fence is just very long. Even 0.01 degrees off at the detent translates to much higher error at the end of the fence. For super small work, it's simply just too big. Holding a small 6 inch board at the very end of the fence is possible, but the sliding portion would be way off to the left. Thus, if you push forward with pressure at just the end where the small block of wood is, you'll inevitably just slightly twist the fence counterclockwise. To mitigate this, it's best to apply forward pressure right behind the sliding part of the table. That way, the forward force is in-line with the linear slider. Micro adjusting angles is basically impossible as it only really moves in large choppy movements. The aforementioned floating fence presents another issue. That being that any downward pressure causes the fence to flex downward which can effect the length of a cut by a super tiny amount. The flip stops aren't really that great. They have deflection if a bit of pressure is applied. With how this fence works, it's quite easy to deflect the stop accidentally while making a cut. To note though, most of these issues can be worked around if you know what to look out for and take time to ensure it's square or set to the perfect angle. I've managed to get seriously accurate cuts with mine where even a 26 inch ultra high precision Woodpeckers square found absolutely no error over a 24 inch crosscut.

[@cjpenning]

How about the extra power? Is it noticeable?

[@5280Woodworking]

I have the same 3HP saw. Noticeable? I guess I’d say I never notice it bog down…ever. I had a job site saw that would whine and bog down but never even on 8/8 maple. I bet the 1.5HP is great too and only noticeable on really thick rips.

[@merrick51]

Does anyone know if the cheaper mobile base is good enough?

[@OneTequilaTwoTequila]

I'll take a proper sliding table saw any day over a SawStop. I had a cabinet saw with a sliding crosscut attachment, but after buying a real sliding table saw, I have no desire to go back.

[@ok-hd4so]

Wow that is a serious saw

[@MartinGeorges-fv9yk]

I notice that you mounted your sliding cross cut table to the left hand wing, giving you capability to cut very wide panel. Most configurations I see (like at WoodCraft or Rockler) remove the wing and mount to the saw table directly-I am considering mounting my sliding table this way. Do you think I will regret it? I don’t imagine using the table saw to cut panels so wide. If I ever need to, I think I would use my Festool track saw.

[@chipperkeithmgb]

Wish we could get them in England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@joemanflyer2001]

You did not tell us the cost of the saw itself and the router. Along with all your accessories and dust collection…that would be helpful and appreciated! Thanks beautiful shop !

[@darbinorvar]

Thanks! Just head to sawstop.com to check out their products. I'm sure the prices are different now.

[@wolfgangschmidtke8023]

Hallo liebe linn super Säge toll toll gemacht und tschüß aus Düsseldorf Germany

[@Jameswalton88]

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[@onestepunlock4475]

Suggestion: why don't you get a small dust collector (1hp) that fits under the saw and make it inclusive to it. Sawstop needs 400cfm, those small dust collectors are 600 and up. This way you will get rid of that long hose on your floor and get better suction.

[@scratchypants1]

Regarding the table's "flatness" - you are measuring the flatness of the table in relation to the dial indicator's base, which is only a few inches away. I'm not saying the table isn't nice and flat, merely that the way you are measuring it can't prove the overall flatness.

[@ipick4fun27]

Good catch. That one slipped by me. measurement while referencing itself is probably not a valid measurement. I'm sure the flatness is great. Just the measurement method is wrong I think.

[@RustyCas999]

Won’t know it’s truly flat until you put a precision straightedge on it. I have a 3ft Starrett that’s 3/4” wide (stands on its own) and weighs about 10 lbs.

[@billkobza3322]

Hi. In your review of the dust collection, you said originally you had / used the overhead dust collection but "did not like it" Maybe I missed it, but you never said why you didn't like. I also looked at all the comments / replies and didn't see any responses to your comment. Would you please let us all know why you didn't like the overhead collector. Thank you.

[@michaelshelnutt3534]

I use a Metabo jobsite table saw with the folding stand, and had my first accident. I was using my dado stack and like an idiot was pushing a 2x6 sideways into yhe blade to create an arch through the width of the board, and was holding the board with my hands. The blades grabbed the board and shot it downstream and drug my left hand into trhe blade. Since i had the blade 1/4" high, it only mangled the ends of two fingers. Now i understand the value better of a saw stop. Alas, i dont have the room nor the funds to get one. But also i dont build things for a living- only hobbies.

[@tonywu6612]

The same thing happened to my two fingers tips, my middle and ring fingers on my left hand on a non SawStop table saw. It cost a little over $5,000 for the hospital bill. The next week, I found a PCS 3 hp 36” T guide fence for only $2890 (in December 2019) and purchase it! My fingers took 6 weeks to heal but had to do 3 months of occupational hand therapy. I still have some numbness in those finger tips! Best purchase I ever made.

[@bw162]

Pretty sure from all the demos and users that the blade can hit a nail as long as you aren’t touching the nail.

[@mikecnelson]

You don't have to use the sawstop dado stack, I have used my Forrest dado king stack for years on my sawstop

[@peterwalker5413]

Why was my post deleted? I followed the community guidelines. 😢 I assume it’s due to a link to another resource as an example for you to help improve your shop and keep you in good health with a proper dust collection system.

[@meleader]

I would buy this in a minute if I had the space.

[@daovo6815]

👍👍

[@kenfloyd430]

Jag har samma tankar om dessa tillbehör

[@loyeantleyjr.8646]

🥰😍🥰

[@mitchellkasdin1899]

You’re not cutting 90 panels with a Dewalt. That’s a nice saw, but you need enough space to own one and a place to work from.

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[@clintbourgeois4406]

HI LYNN : MY NAME IS CLINT IM IN LOUISIANA THE NEWER MODELS OF SAWSTOP STILL HAS THE STOP SYSTEM BUT IT DOES NOT SLAM THE BLADE INTO THE CARTRIDGE IT JUST DROPS IT DOWN BELOW TABLE, CHECK OUT EPISODE OF ASK THIS OLD HOUSE , THE CARTRIDGE SYSTEM IS DIFFERENT !!😊😊

[@silenthill5794]

I love how You Tube makers have changed the way table saws are made. I don't have proof, but I"m pretty sure a YT'r installed a router beside they're homemade table saw, as well as the sliding cross cut attachment.. which lead to SawStop incorporating this design.....either that or I"m full of s&%t... ;-)

[@silverbackag9790]

You're full of s&%t. People were doing this well before KZbin. The router table part anyway.

[@silenthill5794]

@@silverbackag9790 and how would you know this “before KZbin, asshole”? Did you drive around the country looking at peoples wood shop set ups ? Point me at a link where you saw a table saw router combo .

[@silverbackag9790]

@@silenthill5794 they had magazines dipshit. And after that, Usenet. And after that, forums. You’re the one that said you could be full of shit, I’m just confirming it. And no, I’m not going to search around for a link to a copy of a 1990s Wood magazine. Piss off.