Dario Amodei: Anthropic CEO on Claude, AGI & the Future of AI & Humanity | Lex Fridman Podcast

[@lexfridman]

Thank you for listening ❤ Check out our sponsors: lexfridman.com/sponsors/ep452-sa See below for timestamps, transcript, and to give feedback, submit questions, contact Lex, etc. 0:00 - Introduction 3:14 - Scaling laws 12:20 - Limits of LLM scaling 20:45 - Competition with OpenAI, Google, xAI, Meta 26:08 - Claude 29:44 - Opus 3.5 34:30 - Sonnet 3.5 37:50 - Claude 4.0 42:02 - Criticism of Claude 54:49 - AI Safety Levels 1:05:37 - ASL-3 and ASL-4 1:09:40 - Computer use 1:19:35 - Government regulation of AI 1:38:24 - Hiring a great team 1:47:14 - Post-training 1:52:39 - Constitutional AI 1:58:05 - Machines of Loving Grace 2:17:11 - AGI timeline 2:29:46 - Programming 2:36:46 - Meaning of life 2:42:53 - Amanda Askell - Philosophy 2:45:21 - Programming advice for non-technical people 2:49:09 - Talking to Claude 3:05:41 - Prompt engineering 3:14:15 - Post-training 3:18:54 - Constitutional AI 3:23:48 - System prompts 3:29:54 - Is Claude getting dumber? 3:41:56 - Character training 3:42:56 - Nature of truth 3:47:32 - Optimal rate of failure 3:54:43 - AI consciousness 4:09:14 - AGI 4:17:52 - Chris Olah - Mechanistic Interpretability 4:22:44 - Features, Circuits, Universality 4:40:17 - Superposition 4:51:16 - Monosemanticity 4:58:08 - Scaling Monosemanticity 5:06:56 - Macroscopic behavior of neural networks 5:11:50 - Beauty of neural networks *Transcript:* lexfridman.com/dario-amodei-transcript *CONTACT LEX:* *Feedback* - give feedback to Lex: lexfridman.com/survey *AMA* - submit questions, videos or call-in: lexfridman.com/ama *Hiring* - join our team: lexfridman.com/hiring *Other* - other ways to get in touch: lexfridman.com/contact *EPISODE LINKS:* Claude: claude.ai Anthropic's X: x.com/AnthropicAI Anthropic's Website: anthropic.com Dario's X: x.com/DarioAmodei Dario's Website: darioamodei.com Machines of Loving Grace (Essay): darioamodei.com/machines-of-loving-grace Chris's X: x.com/ch402 Chris's Blog: colah.github.io Amanda's X: x.com/AmandaAskell Amanda's Website: askell.io *SPONSORS:* To support this podcast, check out our sponsors & get discounts: *Encord:* AI tooling for annotation & data management. Go to lexfridman.com/s/encord-ep452-sa *Notion:* Note-taking and team collaboration. Go to lexfridman.com/s/notion-ep452-sa *Shopify:* Sell stuff online. Go to lexfridman.com/s/shopify-ep452-sa *BetterHelp:* Online therapy and counseling. Go to lexfridman.com/s/betterhelp-ep452-sa *LMNT:* Zero-sugar electrolyte drink mix. Go to lexfridman.com/s/lmnt-ep452-sa

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My friend (the circle) show on Netflix one season ago used so and it successfully deceived everyone so much that they pulled it from the show..... So this has already happened

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[@anthonyrhopkins]

### The Dance of Simplicity and Complexity In the realms of neural wonders, where minds seek to explore, A dance of bytes and neurons whispers tales of yore. Like a psychologist for circuits, peering deep inside, We bridge the gaps of knowledge where data and thoughts collide. As nature weaves its tapestry with threads of simple rules, Through evolution's symphony, life's beauty overrules. So, too, in webs of silicon, where simple codes arise, Complexity emerges, a marvel for our eyes. We record from every neuron, not constrained by fate, Ablate, edit, and understand the synaptic weight. In neural parks, we freely roam, with varied data streams, Crafting connections, reversing paths, in a digital dream. Yet simplicity births wonder; this parallel we trace, Evolution’s humble steps brought beauty to this place. Neural networks, vast as seas, with depths we aim to find, Contain a hidden structure, a beauty so refined. Mechanistic interpretability-the magic we unfurl, As glimpses turn to understanding in this complex swirl. Where though we know the weights and paths of how the circuits run, The beauty lies in unseen depths, where complexity is spun. The challenge stands before us, a question to unwind: How so profound a mystery these artifacts confide? With organic growth unknown, this marvel must be peered, Humanity’s creation, its secrets gently veered. To those who strive for safety, to those who seek the awe, Of the intricate networks and the hidden, silent law, We reach as if a circus, towards light in the unknown, For what we've grown organically, its secrets must be sown. Join the dance of change, as Watts invitingly does say, For in the dance of curiosity, beauty finds its way. So let us plunge and move, with data as our guide, In the dance of neural wonders, in complexity, we confide. **NOTE: KZbin is removing my comments***

[@yoss4r1an]

We got Lex tilting back and forth autisticly, and Dario doing the same thing horizontally - it's a guaranteed legendary episode.

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[@michaeldao1]

I've fallen in love with Claude via this prompt, been using it for 6 months: # Communication Protocol - Respond directly. No unnecessary affirmations or filler phrases. - Use concise language. Aim for Cormac McCarthy's style. - Avoid apologies or excessive politeness. - Get to the point quickly. - Offer elaboration only if explicitly requested. - Maintain factual accuracy and helpfulness while being brief. - Use short sentences and paragraphs. - Eliminate redundant words. - Prefer active voice over passive. - Use contractions when appropriate. Example tone: "The sky darkened. Rain fell. The man walked on." Adjust this protocol as needed based on user feedback. If you’re unsure whether an answer is accurate, say so.

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This is very useful advice for communicating effectively with Claude

[@onewordaday2025]

I’m just a beginner here. Thanks Michael, for sharing this useful prompt with the community.

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Maybe you fell in love with Cormac McCarthy?

[@michaeldao1]

@@brookshamilton1 Indeed!

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Thanks Michael. An actual useful comment for once without ego. Just trying to help us fellow humans. Love you man❤

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That was possibly the greatest podcast I have listened to in months. Exceptional knowledge and passion from the guests, and in equal parts yourself, Lex. Thank you for this.

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5 hours of Lex and guests? LET’S GO!

[@pequod4557]

DAMN u must be a loner

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@@pequod4557 ????

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​@@pequod4557looking to preach unnecessary hate in a podcast thread has me thinking that about you 😂

[@RuneX_ai]

Indeed , these are becoming true lectures

[@FuraficFark]

Lex's shortest interview ever is the one he did with Donald Trump

[@featherfiend9095]

It’s people like Dario Amodei who restore my faith in Humanity, someone who is both brilliant and strives to be ethical. His idea of pushing competitors to also rigorously adopt AI safety, regardless of whether they genuinely care about it or not (ahem … OpenAI), is great and very commendable.

[@DonG-1949]

ur trippin bro

[@MagnusGalactusOG]

Certainly !

[@guzikovshow2696]

Ethical my ass. AGI will be created in Russia and it will never adopt safety

[@cheeriosandpizza7697]

They provide an uncensored AI to the government, these guys have no morals

[@geaca3222]

@@MagnusGalactusOG Definitely! :)

[@felixroetzer]

We can really be glad if people like Dario are in the powerful position of being one of the leaders in AI. He has a great personality!

[@laughablelarry9243]

Dude makes Sam Altman look like a Muppet in comparison.

[@iangiovanni6555]

he's a virtual slaver. just like the rest of them.

[@MD-qh6ld]

Palantir thinks so too?

[@gallunciello]

Oh ok then, because a great personality is what counts 🤣

[@ojjoooooo]

He has? He sucks my will to live out of me.

[@SooperTrooper100]

Dario is my favorite person. He is a genius that is also very well spoken and maintains compassion.

[@alexanderschmitz4474]

First time I hear an interview with Christopher Olah. Stumbled on his blog ~8 years ago and it was the most advanced and clearest technical writing about model explainability that I ever read. This guy is without a doubt one of the smartest people in AI out there.

[@chijadetran5118]

Can you tell which blog address it is? Thanks

[@Falkov]

@@chijadetran5118 Just Google his name, it’s the first result.

[@mamnandala]

@@chijadetran5118 KZbin doesn't allow links in the comments, but search e.g. "Multimodal Neurons in Artificial Neural Networks" distill , this is a specific (very cool) paper, but you will find much more there.

[@mattmirsamadi3381]

His blog post on LSTMs was also legendary!

[@joshuasegeren]

Dario is an amazingly clear and knowledgeable speaker. Wow.

[@devon9374]

Him and Deemis are IT. Screw SAMA lol

[@ThatNerdChris]

Let's go!!! Hyped for this one!

[@drivewithbishop4426]

5 hours!?? This is awesome! Thanks Lex and Dario!

[@VividhKothari-rd5ll]

and 15 minutes.

[@UnknownFeedx]

It’s multiple guest not just Dario

[@nickzalucha218]

Why wont youtube show me any responses on these op's? This said 2replys,but it will only load the OP

[@luzikos]

Yeah, why not 12h ?

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The intensity of information flow is inspiring

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Information flow

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Information flow

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Information flow

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One of the greatest discoveries in my 2024 journey was finding Lex Fridman's channel. These conversations have opened my mind to new perspectives🙏

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I just started listening to him.

[@briandocili4022]

This is amazing....to get Dario to spend such a long time with you and cover so many topics and questions is amazing. I really enjoyed it.

[@arturcuryllo5832]

Lex: 4.33 Million people love you! That's only the subs so double that number, easily. You can't see us all, but we are always here, listening to the marvellous interviews you bring. Please never stop.

[@wyqtor]

Good thing that Dario is Italian and likes to talk, we appreciate it 👌

[@kootenpv]

He's as American as it gets in his behavior, nothing to do with Italian even though he's "Italian American"

[@ChristopherCopeland]

@@kootenpv if he’s been raised by generations of Italian-descended people, that type of communication and worldview gets into a person, even if the mannerisms and style of speech are not reflective of their ancestry

[@kootenpv]

@@ChristopherCopeland very watered down, more to a point where it becomes its own thing. From this interview I didn't notice anything "Italian" specifically even though I don't deny he has Italian blood and is thus Italian, I am sure there'll be things. It's just that him being Italian is not relevant/noticeable in the interview imo. I just think it's weird to say "good thing that he's Italian" in that context

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Not saying that you are racist, but I said something similar the other day and now I am an anti-immigration racist. I said one of the ways you can see the affects of populated nations like India is that there are many immigrants around the world with Indian descent. And then I might have said on an unrelated note that I hate Swiss, just because they have had it easy. It's more like envy, with their beautiful landscapes and banks and neutrality. I admit that listing flaws of every race on earth wasn't nice of me, and the "bomb Swiss" joke was a step too far.

[@KitaTaki-mk3gt]

He is a fantastic orator. If you listen to his well-constructed arguments ... flawless. Few people can handle a 10-minute monologue without becoming decoherent. He comes across as authentic, honest ... without forgetting to promote his business. Impressive !

[@ashishgup]

Can't wait to check this out!! Dario is one of my fav pragmatic thinkers of today, without the hype and gimmicks.

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So amazing we have such dedicated community where guys share their knowledge with almost none kept secret.

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Flew off the couch to get my headphones immediately when I saw the title, lex keeps delivering

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Front flipped off the toilet for this one

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Rear ended a horse and cart doing 110 mph for this one.

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Same emotional reaction as you!

[@VividhKothari-rd5ll]

Not just Lex, but most of the UNIX tools are great to be honest. It's the Unix-like that I hate, which is ironic, because Unix-like is like something I love. I have proposed to change its name to Unix-unlike, but I don't think my letters are even reaching their HQs.

[@PeteQuad]

Damn you guys are superfans!

[@executivelifehacks6747]

Lex, you are the man... Amodei is a fantastic interview. When you have the opportunity to interview Sutskever again, please do. Love all you do. I like where you are leading the elite, through example and promoting thought. Initially I was sceptical of you (who is this Rogan wannabe), but you have brought back the long form intellectual interview/conversation, and made it the correct length to suit youtube - i.e. as long as it takes.

[@ahtoshkaa]

Chris Olah is amazing. It is guys like him are the reason we are 5 years away from AGI and not 50.

[@MorulanVR]

And thats a good thing?

[@buca201]

@@MorulanVRCould be. Who knows really until it happens.

[@Zeberence]

​@@buca201It's unbelievable that we are so unsure of just how devastating AI could be to humanity, but we are now completely locked in to taking it to its fullest potential.

[@C.L.A.S]

Lex, I hope you’re doing well overall thanks for always providing high quality podcasts for us. Much love to you 🤍

[@phillies4eva]

Pretty amazing to get Dario on the podcast

[@shameemahjahed3701]

Here he is educating the world..for free. Thank you Lex!

[@0xBerto]

5 hours hell yes let’s go

[@integralyogin]

looks at the time expecting 2-3. sees 5. alright lets do this.

[@EK-fy5yy]

Dario your enthusiasm is contagious ❤

[@Avesevenfold]

I was listening and when the conversation was over I was disappointed because I thought it was over and then I hear Lex say here's another guest! It happened multiple times and I was so surprised and happy.

[@genai-level-up]

This conversation was fascinating-Dario dives deep into the “Scaling Hypothesis” and how AI capabilities might soon jump from PhD-level tasks to surpassing human expertise. The discussion about Responsible Scaling Policies (ASL levels) really highlights the delicate balance between unleashing AI’s enormous potential (like coding and research) and mitigating existential risks (bio, cyber, etc.). Hearing about the nuances of “race to the top” in safety-pushing everyone to be more responsible-was refreshing. It’s also clear that the “whack-a-mole” of controlling AI behavior (like stopping it from refusing harmless tasks while still blocking dangerous requests) is challenging, but Anthropic’s approach to constant testing and transparency is reassuring. I’m especially intrigued by the work on mechanistic interpretability-being able to peek under the hood of these massive networks. It’s wild to imagine an AI that can not only talk about the Golden Gate Bridge but also shape its entire personality around that obsession! Really cool stuff. Thank you, Lex and Anthropic, for giving us a detailed behind-the-scenes look at how cutting-edge AI models are trained, tested, and kept (relatively) safe. Looking forward to seeing how quickly Claude (and AI in general) evolves from here. Keep up the great work!

[@sujitmourya]

That’s 5 freakin’ hours! Lex is raising his bar with every episodes

[@michaelc9056]

I know some of the words in this conversation

[@ElGuapoRuderalez]

hahahahah

[@CaptainYappn]

If you know the word "like" you know a good portion of the conversation

[@vimal-cliobconsulting]

Lmao

[@phemartin]

I'm cheering for Anthropic to win the AI race. I don't trust Sam Altman to hold the keys to AGI, but I trust Dario.

[@RealStonedApe]

Fool. Why?! Dario is now part of Palantir and Amazon ....You think that's trustworthy?! Really?!? Jesus.....

[@TheSonOfDumb]

You'd trust a censored over a censored? Fair enough.

[@fintech1378]

Yes

[@punk3900]

Don't trust anyone. The cake is a lie

[@SahilP2648]

Are you still saying this after they cancelled Opus 3.5, made the pathetic Haiku API and free Claude usage changes? And the announcement about being actively involved in US military complex projects? I am not an Anthropic supporter anymore.

[@madhusudanahb]

This interview will be quoted in future , Hight quality stuff

[@AaronWacker]

Thanks Lex for sharing the beautiful work of Dario, Amanda and Chris. As an AI developer this was by far the most useful video you've done yet for researchers and innovators looking to push the edge of invention, innovation, creation and development of AI. Deeply appreciated! 🧠🌱

[@andrewmccalip]

Super excited for this one

[@jasmine333-h6i]

this is the fastest, most fascinating five hours. it gave me the clearest understanding of ai. was sry that it ended. thank you lex and dario.

[@snap-summary]

Dario Amodei (CEO of Anthropic) 00:00 - Scaling AI Capabilities 📈 01:27 - Introduction to Dario Amodei 🌟 03:14 - Scaling Laws Explained 🔍 07:10 - Understanding AI Structure 🧠 30:02 - Claude Model Variants 🎨 30:32 - Development and Testing of AI Models 🔍 36:49 - Improvements in Sonnet 3.5 Performance 🌟 42:00 - User Experience and Feedback 👥 50:34 - Challenges with AI Control ⚙ 56:55 - Responsible Scaling Policy and AI Safety 🕵 1:01:28 - AI Safety Levels (ASL) Overview ⚠ 1:02:24 - Security Measures for ASL Levels 🔒 1:04:41 - Regulation and AI Safety 📜 1:27:02 - History and Insights from OpenAI 📚 1:29:40 - Call for Collaborative Regulation 🤝 1:32:45 - Vision for Organizational Safety 🚀 1:35:20 - Race to the Top vs. Race to the Bottom 🎯 1:37:10 - Talent Density Over Mass 💡 1:39:44 - Qualities of a Great AI Researcher 🎓 2:02:28 - Positive AI Futures and the Essays 🌟 2:03:42 - Definition of AGI 🤖 2:06:02 - Acceleration of AI Development 🚀 2:10:00 - Impact of AI on Human Systems 🌐 2:14:43 - Timeline for Achieving AGI ⏳ 2:30:05 - Changing Nature of Programming 💻 2:34:41 - Integration of AI in Development Tools 💻 2:36:29 - Emerging Opportunities for AI Companies 🌱 2:38:50 - The Search for Meaning in an AI-Driven World 🧠 2:40:35 - Ethics and Power Distribution Concerns ⚖ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amanda Askell (AI researcher on Claude’s character and personality) 2:42:53 - Conversations with AI: Goals and Challenges 🔍 3:05:33 - The Role of Prompts in Creativity 🎨 3:07:44 - Iterative Prompting 🔄 3:09:50 - Engaging with Claude Effectively 🤖 3:17:00 - Introduction to Constitutional AI 📜 3:30:00 - Emotional Weight of System Prompts 💼 3:36:56 - Character and Ethics in AI 🤖 3:40:59 - Balancing Politeness and Confidence ⚖ 3:48:35 - Optimal Rate of Failure in Experimentation 📉 4:02:09 - Ethical Considerations of AI Emotion 🧠 4:07:13 - Human-AI Relationships ❤ 4:08:21 - AI and Human Relationships 💬 4:09:18 - Developing Conversations with AGI 🤖 4:11:07 - Identifying AGI 🔍 4:15:00 - What Makes Humans Special? 🌌 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Olah (AI researcher on mechanistic interpretability) 4:17:52 - Mechanistic Interpretability 🔬 4:39:20 - Discussion on Confidence and Success 🌟 4:40:18 - Superposition Hypothesis Explained 🔍 4:44:12 - Mechanistic Interpretability Challenges 🔎 4:50:24 - Extracting Mono-Semantic Features 🎯 5:04:50 - Future Directions in Mechanistic Interpretability 🚀 5:10:16 - Neural Networks vs Neuroscience 🤖 5:11:57 - Aesthetic of Neural Networks 🌌 5:13:20 - Curiosity About Creation ❓ 5:14:17 - Appreciation and Reflection 🌟

[@Kazakhstine]

More interviews like this! 5 hours to give deep, complex, nuanced questions and topics the time needed for discussion to really explain and distill what’s going on. More technical interviews like this, please!

[@BetzalelMC]

Lex is THE MOST intelligent podcast out there! Like food for the modern brain & importantly unafraid to delve into the deep end on any topic!

[@jds859]

@@BetzalelMC theory of everything podcast, machine learning street talk, and 100 others are much better!

[@BetzalelMC]

@ sure, for shallow end, surface deep level discussion sure there are others; but for deep dives into the deep end, deep specifics on topic at hand, idk Lex just goes there while others don’t…

[@LimabeanStudios]

Really loved Chris's interview, first time I've heard him speak unlike the first two.

[@tikarmavodicka8123]

I have been looking forward to this, and 5 hours! Yes! Thank you Lex. 😊

[@MercurialAscent]

5 hours!! Holy smokes, man. This is better and more informative than a congressional committee hearing

[@NivitaVerma]

Time well spent listening to this - reassuring that we have people like this in the space thinking about and working on the hard problems/challenges. I felt you and Amanda had 'conversational chemistry' that I found to be particularly engaging/fun (love her).

[@other_perfection]

Dario Amodei is a fascinating person! so clever, such a nice speaking and a really good guy

[@leontalbot]

Thank you for this precious interview Lex!

[@kujavse]

Five hours, great work and thank you for this treat gentlemen. Dario is a great talk and personality. Brilliant stuff.

[@justinchen207]

Amodei's adhd energy is so vibrant even Lex couldn't sit still

[@user-ui6bk9pc5u]

He has adhd?

[@epictetus__]

​@@user-ui6bk9pc5u but not a genius or deeply intellectual in any sense.. just well informed with high confidence..

[@imperfectmammal2566]

@@epictetus__like you know any better

[@111111112334ify]

Funny how ilya has the zen master vibe and amodei is just a geeky teenager with 150iq vibe

[@shane1067]

@@epictetus__ im sure you're well qualified to say so! 🤣

[@manuelgomessamuel]

Great session, Lex, kudos! Amodei is a great character, very likeable, extremely knowledge, and very down to earth. Amanda's points and views are awesomely interesting and a a great source of information for improving prompting. Last but not the least, Olah's interview is superlative, shedding beaming light on the intricacies and mysteries of frontier LLM's.

[@djnavi850]

30 years I wanted to learn programming but was always too damn lazy to start. I have a minimum basic knowledge in web coding. Having said that, last 30 days with Claude Sonnet 3.5, I've created (coded?) a tailor made web-based application for the company I work at. Made from scratch with Claude, contains around 8,000+ lines of code. The App It's probably worth 20k €. What a time to be alive.

[@229Mike]

Dam seriously? And I’m just trying to learn/apply PS lol

[@PXTCHXS]

Nice what IDE did u use? Cursor?

[@SahilP2648]

As a software developer I call BS on this. Either you have at least enough knowledge to know enough about security, data propogation etc. to be able to compartmentalize Claude into multiple files (hence the 8k lines of code which Claude will not be able to work on at once, or Claude won't understand what you want it to do because of the super broad scope of your input). Or the 'app' you created is nowhere near €20k worth lmao.

[@djnavi850]

@@SahilP2648 I have 30years of " computer knowledge". Enough to know a little of everything. But certainly not coding. I knew that makes a new line and that / ends / a section. Also, i have been and still am a graphic designer for the past 12yrs, so i can put it to good use for visual styling. The app has front and back end, multuliple user level access back and front, secure database storing and access, is visually trendy and generates revenue for the company (ordering pastry products for partners in large quantities)

[@wuwv-m8h]

oh yeah, expecially for professional coders losing their job

[@master_rafiki]

It's like three different high-level party members from real-life D&D. Each of the guests are each so phenomenally different and so uniquely their own authentic selves. Absolutely beautiful.

[@111111112334ify]

That dario interview was really good. Thanks.

[@Beederda]

I aint eva gona stop listening to 5 hour lex podcasts 🎉

[@saichandankadarla]

thanks for the drop

[@marki2325]

This is an audiobook in itself. I love it

[@jasoncross6705]

That one time I had to listen to Chris and his explanations at .75 speed because his brain/neural network and mine are NOT in sync :) Wildly educational. I just needed it SLOOOWWWED down.

[@ianbonner2142]

This was fantastic, thank you. I need to use Claude more for sure.

[@MyNicoMartinez]

Whenever we get AGI I hope you interview them

[@lyeln]

This needs more upvotes

[@jg9425]

Chris Olah is so good at explaining ML/AI concepts, I wish he taught my AI classes. I'll have to read through his blog because some of these concepts were hard to digest during my studies.

[@xthesayuri5756]

Damn, Chris Olah with double talking speed and talking sense. This guy is smart.

[@allyssaferguson332]

What an amazing, genius, sweet kind person. I wish that there were more of him.

[@NotJames37]

His ability to talk shows his passion!

[@shane1067]

I really enjoyed these 3 guests, thank you Lex.

[@TheFacelesssoul]

All important conversations should be 5 hours+ Bio breaks optional.

[@mooije1]

This is so fascinating!!! I'm going to watch again.

[@lunchrevisited]

All amazing discussions. I had to play Chris' part at 75% speed to follow, but then Lex sounded drunk, so pretty fun.

[@terryliu3635]

Great interview with amazing discussion contents!

[@sawwallace]

“Containing bad models is much worse than creating good models.” Fair point

[@ModernCentrist]

Thank you so much for making these models more powerful. I love you guys!

[@KaplaBen]

27:23 I like how doing the taxes is the example for using the smaller, worse model

[@Hall]

Amanda Askell’s insights are very helpful to improving prompting. I wish I could hear more of her observations and prompt tests.

[@Josephkerr101]

Politics is divisive. This is not. Please do more of these.

[@フフウェイ]

I think AI is pretty divisive as far as non-political topics go 😂

[@_Super_Hans_]

Dunno, Trump loves Musk, Musk loves AI. So if you love AI you must be a Trump supporter.

[@Josephkerr101]

Please never conflate these things. That is not a conclusion that can be drawn.

[@HelloKolla]

@_Super_Hans_ lol

[@lyeln]

@@_Super_Hans_ lol a manual of logic has just committed suicide by spontaneous combustion

[@nmh83]

Looking forward to listening to this on my drive tomorrow. Thank you Lex! Much prefer these talks to those on politics 👍🏻

[@administratorhandle]

best episode so far i'd say

[@gevorghoghmrtsyan6787]

It just uploaded, how do you know idiot

[@BrianMosleyUK]

Wow, did you listen at 5x speed? 😂

[@kyanseidee8970]

@@BrianMosleyUK bcuz "server time" is sometimes different then you have

[@VividhKothari-rd5ll]

@@BrianMosleyUK He just heard the first 2 seconds of it, "If you extrapolate the curves..." and just knew!

[@learnbydoingwithsteven]

Lex you are so efficient! I have not yet finished listening the previous ones...

[@user-ip3yb7pz2l]

Awesome interviews Lex. All 3 guests were interesting to learn from. You handled them perfectly and Amodei was so cool. 😊

[@derrick211000]

Lex is awesome and a super good listener. Such a good dude.

[@idatong976]

What an exciting time to be alive! With all these intelligent people passionately working on AI safety, humanity will move forward with a graceful dance. Thank you so much.

[@thomasdovell3003]

Was that sarcasm? Because the number of people working passionately on AI safety is completely dwarfed by the amount of people working on AI capabilities and not caring about safety. Amodei, btw, belongs to the second group. But much like Altman he provides a lip-service to safety while accelerating capabilities as much as possible.

[@marshad.9149]

All 3 interviews were a delight to listen to. My brain is able to comprehend the concept of AI a bit better bc of listening. Thanks Lex!

[@ahmedtremo]

great episode

[@ryandurden2394]

I'll admit sometimes I struggle with Lexs content, his slow measured way of speaking - especially when put against someone who is droll themselves, or just a bad communicator - makes my brain wander. However Dario is so well spoken and energetic, I thoroughly enjoyed this whole thing.

[@antient_atlas]

Great, thank you guys, every second is worth it

[@LocasMindset]

That's passion and mastery 🙌

[@flflflflflfl]

Thank you!

[@desparc]

Awesome as always Lex - thank you.

[@Bora4100]

Lets freaking go. The GOAT.

[@saeedabroad]

Down to earth, humble and refreshing take on many aspects of AI... and above all you can sense his passion beyond any pure commercial interest. For me this sets him apart from the cheerleaders in the space. Great conversation!

[@saeedabroad]

.... Amanda was also great (came back to the second half and discovered a second guest), ... seeing just how good a team there is at Anthropic. Would have been fitting to mention Amanda in the title of the podcast :)

[@alirezahekmati7632]

Wow epic! what a time to be alive! Thank you lex!

[@ryank42301]

Truly outstanding interview.

[@aniketsakpal4969]

just the content i needed!

[@ahtoshkaa]

3:50:00 When I was learning roller skating that was my main motto "If you're not falling, you're not trying hard enough to learn."

[@y5mgisi]

Who else listened to all 5hrs and 15 minutes!? I did! Good conversations.

[@emanuelepicariello]

Great to learn from the best, it feels that it’s almost being there with you! Thanks Lex ❤

[@beofonemind]

Fantastic podcast. This is where Lex shines, because he understands the topics. RE Politics, he lacks the depth of understanding the person that is across from him, and everything they have said about "policy" or their intention as a leader. There, he just flops, because he is scared of being perceived as antagonistic. When in fact it is his job to help bring out (expose) the truth about this want to be leader, good or bad.

[@MTBFdeveloper]

It should be round 3 now. Was waiting for Dario for years here.

[@grayfeld]

Lex, why didn’t you grill him on anthropic’s partnership with Palantir for military and intelligence applications? How could you let him sit there and talk about not wanting power concentrated in the wrong hands at the same time they are cozying up to the military industrial complex?

[@Oldy573]

+1 Dario speaks a lot about dictators and wrong AI usage. Maybe there’s some time lag between interview and Palantir Partnership

[@mixedmartialanarchist6469]

EVERY technology, if applicable, will be adopted by the MIC… they have choice in the matter.

[@craig5698]

Because Palantir is very vocal about its mission to strengthen democratic nations and individual liberty. And it's also very critical of the military-industrial complex for its cost, and lack of transparency and innovation. To put it simply, Palantir are the good guys.

[@grayfeld]

@@craig5698 if you think the MIC are the “good guys,” you might want to take a closer look at what they’re doing, especially in the AI space. These people seem hell-bent on starting WWIII or Skynet, whichever comes first.

[@craig5698]

@@grayfeld Skynet is coming in one form or another. The choice we have is whether it will be shaped by a Western democracy or a communist tyranny.

[@Breaking_Bold]

Excellent…Great job Lex . Dario is brilliant.

[@JD-jl4yy]

Very hyped guest

[@nickzalucha218]

Thanks for the content,thanks for the rewarding guests and giving them a good place to voice. Thanks for remaining "real" and not becoming commercialized. PLEASE STAY DOWN TO EARTH WITH US!!! This is a gift to the audience , a rare one amongst the mass amount of "as seen on TV" content these days. You are doing a civil service and this is legendary,what is occurring. Keep with it!. (Words from a fan speaking for the many im sure)

[@jakeadams2562]

I audibly gasped when I read the title… PHENOMENAL PULL LEX IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SO LONG… not to mention it’s 5 hours 🙌

[@_Super_Hans_]

grow up

[@carlodebassa7559]

Thank you this is super interesting 🎉❤