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Dark season 3 gave us an ending that is open to interpretation, and this video talks about some of the big questions the finale asked. The final season brought a conclusive end to the Netflix original series, but will also keep fans thinking about what it means for some time . Dark is a story about the town of Winden where everything is connected, and people like to say the beginning is the end and the end is the beginning. In the cases of the Dark characters they are all connected by a family tree filled with bootstrap paradoxes. The end of the family tree is also the beginning since things start with Jonas and Martha who eventually end their world’s existence.
This Dark video focuses on three questions that continue to come up from fans.
How did Claudia know about the origin world?
How did she use quantum entanglement to change the outcome of things in Adam and Eva’s worlds?
How could Jonas and Martha stop the car crash in the origin world if that’s what led to their existence in the first place?
In the story of Dark HG Tannhaus lost his family in a car accident. He tried to create a time machine to go back in time to save them. When he activated his time machine it caused time to split, and created Adam and Eva’s Winden. In their worlds the timeline is nonlinear since time travel exists. This also creates a closed deterministic system where the characters don’t have free will.
Claudia Tiedemann wanted to save her daughter who gets cancer and dies in both versions of Winden we’ve seen. She realizes that not all characters are connected to the knot that
Jonas Kahnwald (Louis Hofmann) and Martha Nielsen (Lisa Vicari) created when they conceived their son aka the Unknown. He impregnates Agnes Nielsen in both worlds and she gives birth to Tronte which creates a giant loop where Jonas is his own great great great grandfather.
Claudia uses quantum entanglement to create another reality that exists simultaneously to hers. In that she visits Adam and sets things in motion for Jonas and Martha to travel to Tannhaus’ origin world. They stop the accident that kills his family, and he never builds a time machine. The knot is destroyed and the only characters from Adam and Eva’s worlds that exist in the origin world are the ones who weren’t their direct descendants. In the end Claudia is able to save her daughter as she lives on in the origin version of Winden.
In Dark season 3 we finally get answers on who is related to who, and we fill in the gaps in the families in Winden. The four main families are the Kahnwalds, the Dopplers, the Tiedemanns, and the Nielsens. After the third season we know that Jonas and Martha have a child (the Trio) who is called the Unknown. The Unknown conceives a child with Agnes Nielsen in both worlds, and that leads to the loop of families repeating. Jonas’s son produces the man who will produce his grandfather, and the cycle continues.
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This Dark “season 3 ending theories” video covers all 8 episodes of the final season. We explain what happened to Jonas and Martha, and explain the mysteries of the family tree. The origin world is the only one left at the end, and we discuss what that means about characters we knew for the old world.
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[@PetePeppers1]

Let me know where you landed on what the end of ending of Dark season 3 means. What is your favorite theory now that you've had time to think about it.

[@vishnumenon5274]

What happened to that pirate guy's eye is the only thing I am worried about in the whole series

[@elcapitainadel972]

So when Adam took yonas to martha and stop the accident..... He did change the events leasing to either yonas becoming Adam or martha becoming Eve So one of them should dissapear right? I asked this question before and someone told me the infinity became a triquetra which i didn't understand Can someone explain pls

[@maheenkashish4827]

In which season is it mentioned that Agnes is involved With 'The unknown'? I think i missed it.

[@srkizen5691]

I disagree with some of the points. Not because you did bad job, but because some things don't add up. If two alt worlds were created when original time machine was created, then they could be (initially) just copies of the origin world in that moment. That means that loop or knot don't exist yet. So if those worlds are deterministic, how come things were able to change so much from the moment where knot doesn't exist to it's creation? Seems like a plot device only.

[@elcapitainadel972]

@@maheenkashish4827 in this final season i guess

[@maninscratch]

when Jonas and Martha travelled to the origin world, I was 100% sure that they will cause the car crash to start all this.

[@mfarrel8127]

lol same

[@shohbatahsanpranto1866]

Ikr!

[@fadirezk298]

Same !! I thought of both possibilities while I was watching it .. but the ending that they made is much more satisfying and unpredictable to be honest

[@misterw591]

Same here. Once that car made that turn I was like oh no.

[@prabithacv7257]

as it was the last episode of last season of dark series i was sure this has to end ... so i think normal

[@raja9548]

adam : join my side eve : join mine claudia : hold my gretchen

[@ha-shatangrey6933]

This comment! LMFAO. 🐩

[@joshuaquiros5982]

Best comment so far! 🔥

[@bluetobian]

This needs a t-shirt

[@jayshree9037]

Loveee it

[@karishmachaudhary9953]

Hahahaha this sums it up perfectly! Best comment ever 💕

[@bobman929]

The writers were so good that no one even thought that the guy who invented the time machine started it all. So obvious!

[@leedongwok86]

exactly.. the writers kept the twist interesting, earned and unexpected.. similar to Claudia being one of the main players of time loop since season 1 and with background of nuclear.. it wasn't about "Claudia being all".. ppl reacting and reducing this show like this is Chilling Adventures of Sabrina made me sad It was all the writers' clever writing

[@dreamzpleasure]

Technically he didn't invent the time machine in the 2 worlds (outside the origin world). He built it with the help of the blue print given to him by Future Claudia lol

[@pm7943]

@@dreamzpleasure he invented it in the origin world, thus creating the two other worlds

[@dreamzpleasure]

@@pm7943 That's what I said bro. He only "invented" it in the origin world, and not in the 2 worlds. Additionally, that fact only came to light in the finale episode.

[@theothergamer3178]

He consequently saved the life of his son, daughter-in-law, and Charlotte.

[@rolandsampouw7501]

The real mysterious question is why wouldn’t anyone bother to use an umbrella every time it rains?

[@sandromustermann9154]

free shower

[@rifdahamellia8271]

Right?! They really let theirself to be soaking wet

[@ainniearif269]

I think they just didn't have time to take a real shower

[@BooRadleyTube]

They were all too out of their minds with grief and despair to care.

[@lyndiss.2017]

They are used to driving or biking, and raincoats work when you bike while umbrella... Not much. So maybe it's just their habits kicking in when they're too sad to care?

[@ragnisharma8505]

Because of claudia we lose dark season 4,5,6............infinite

[@ragnisharma8505]

Love from india

[@arsathpeermohammed9561]

Haha perhaps that's good , perhaps not

[@Bysler]

Look what happened to Lost...

[@MrBUG-pj1yi]

No johnas will born again and we will definitely get next seasons 😉😉

[@boing9950]

@Anny Grimes tbh... that is perfect. I hate it when they make a series 8 Seasons+ long and than it gets canceled -.-

[@ksoorya6764]

I'm jealous of the people who are going to experience dark for the first time

[@awefacts3063]

Yes ...

[@miragaiamaia8966]

i've just watched the 3 seasons in 3 days. i need to think.

[@sriram5932]

@@miragaiamaia8966 Same Here

[@jackfables3470]

'The end is the beginning. The beginning is the end' ... so, if you've just finished the series, technically, you're just starting it ... so there's nothing to be jealous about. 🤣

[@sriram5932]

@@jackfables3470 Did u see Black Mirror

[@Ginkoman2]

idk why, but noah is my fav character. the actor just gives me chills every f-ing time

[@NotSureIfSrs_x]

Agreed, might be my fav character too

[@BooRadleyTube]

@GaussGreen Have you tried watching with subs? It's much, much better.

[@dafitness9930]

He’s so awesome tbh, when he loses Charlotte, that was heartbreaking

[@YouMalachi]

He looks like Jude Law

[@argusy3866]

Too bad he becomes completly irrelevan in season 3. One of the thigs I didnt like about the show is how it forgot about most things of season 1 and 2 to focus on adam, eva and the two worlds.

[@crayfishtelevision2894]

In the end Tannhauses machine did for what it was build for: Preventing the accident of his son's family. Without the machine no Martha and Jonas and without Martha and Jonas no Prevention.

[@akhilageorge3029]

I think as long as the probability of accident exists there is also a probability that Jonas and Martha exist. Only the moment when probability of accident is 0 they cease to exist.

[@nagamrithika157]

Mind blown 🤯

[@luckykumar1915]

@@akhilageorge3029 I also thought the same bro.

[@kbg12ila]

My only issue with that is that people always go through terrible pain in their lives. The creation of the machine should be inevitable. Although if it is, and knots are always created, the origin world would forever be without a time machine because the split worlds would eventually always lead to the time machine never being built.

[@NervXT]

The bootstrap paradox. The time machine never existed but yet, it has always existed.

[@nucleoheaven2372]

Well tbh Michael kahnwald in the most underrated character and actor in this series I feel he was the sweetest guy in this series and he suffered the most! He lost his life when he had done nothing bad

[@PartyClasherGamingHD]

@Black Hole Ulrich cheated twice in two worlds! That guy's got some problems lol.

[@bsatyam]

@Black Hole If Michael hadn't died, Jonas would never have gone to save his father, when he also lead young Mikkel to the cave later on so that he becomes his father. Michael's death is an essential part of the cycle.

[@lynniellazo3171]

I agree. Mikkel is actually the one and only innocent character in the whole series. He’s actually my favorite for that reason.

[@samuelbaraka4705]

Always waited for the moment he would go back to his own timeline never happened though felt sad for him but in the end it was for the best

[@t.r.l.9818]

The most heart breaking moment of the whole series is when Jonas and Michael understand what they need to do. The music, the directing, the events taking place at the same time was just perfect.

[@dann_mrtins]

I was almost upset of thinking that Claudia would be only a puppet for Eva. But she turned around...and fooled all of them. She ia my fav character!

[@laneythelame]

Claudia saved everyone, otherwise adam and eve would have been stuck in that battle with each other for infinity.

[@Jayashree-babu]

@@laneythelame guys we think like that ,it was ended but entanglement is their that they mentioned ,thats why they oppress 'end is the beginning and beginning is the end' .I think it repeats again and again ,we can't be sure just after watching Jonas and Martha saves them from accident in another side they could have died ,it has no proper conclusion I think ! This series is amazing though to watch ❤️

[@PDeeVidoes]

When you thought everyone was a villain at first (Claudia, Noah, Adam, Eva/Eve) but it turns out that everything they did was out of pure love for another 😭😭😭😭

[@amitparihar2714]

Maybe nobody is a villain or criminal in real life too.

[@maryianna912]

My whole feel about 2 season was that there is no good vs bad conflict in the show, there was only insane vs insane. I can't think about things they done and call it love or smth. There were a lot of killings that didn't have a point for me. That's why the 2 season was a disappointment for me, i lost faith in anybody and there wasn't a character to root for. Except for young Jonas ofc but that was painful, also I didn't really feel for his eternal love for Martha cause lol he knows she is his aunt and doesn't know about the incest party from 3 season.

[@snipereyez7799]

@@amitparihar2714 what about hitler eh lol

[@jennifer9047]

There were a couple truly despicable characters- Katarina's mother, Hanna, and Ulrich. Very selfish individuals.

[@Teaspooncat]

@@jennifer9047 But Hanna's one good quality was that she was entertaining due to her unpredictability😂 Really made me laugh when most of the time this series was anything but funny. When she went to meet Ulrich in 1953 my reaction went from aww to lmao. It was just priceless

[@guyjperson]

It made sense that Claudia would be the one to see the way out, and have the abilities to make it happen. You have to be incredibly smart to run a nuclear facility, have an understanding of math and physics, and we see from the first season that she has the will to both rappel into, and climb out of a cave wearing a pantsuit and business heels.

[@lyndiss.2017]

She's also probably the one who _did_ read the "A Travel Through Time" book that Helge gifted him! So she has the theoretical understanding of Time on top of her latter years of practical time-traveling experience. Adam almost definitely never read it before; Eve... Might have? Which could explain how she knew to exploit quantum entanglement. Claudia is still better simply for her stacked qualifications 😎

[@chrisjfox8715]

Lol that last line made me laugh for some reason

[@SafirAksel]

Her husband is the owner of the nuclear plant before her so it's not that hard for her to become the leader. But i do agree she has the education to outsmart Adam and Eve, because both of them didn't even finish highschool lol

[@nishaa42]

@@SafirAksel 🤣🤣🤣

[@blancaescobar5895]

@@SafirAksel they never married

[@gautamrawat900]

Claudia knows about quantum entanglement because she was the only one having good physics background and also she examined both world having common subject that is regina

[@RAHULROY-rm6id]

How is she common subject?

[@guyjperson]

That's true. I find it a little like Neo from the Matrix movies (referenced in the show). Claudia is the only person who has a personal bond at the center of her experience. The others have compassion in a general sense, but she is focused on a personal relationship. Like the Architect said, in that movie, it set her apart from the others.

[@gautamrawat900]

@@RAHULROY-rm6id Regina is common subject

[@gautamrawat900]

@@guyjperson true my friend while other were busy on revenge or keep taking life she focused on saving one

[@katitax508]

Gautam Rawat Most characters wanted to save their children, it was a common theme throughout the show, Ulrich and Katharina wanted to bring Mikkel back, Noah wanted to find Charlotte, Eva wanted to preserve the loop so her son could live. Even Jonas wanted to save lives (Mikkel and Martha) before he realised that wasn’t possible and became Adam.

[@hachenpact]

Interesting fact: when they are in the light tunnel to the original world they couldn't see each other until they both walked backwards and hit each other. This is a reference to Momo, a famous novel by Michael Ende, where men in grey steal time and they are tricked in the end by Momo by walking backwards and brining the world the time back. The book in Germany was always released by Thienemann, which sounds very similar to Tiedemann.

[@TimothyHTrain]

I just read Momo interestingly and can't quite remember this incident. Momo does walk backwards to reach Meister Hora's house. Perhaps this occurred in the Momo movie? (Unlike 'Die Unendliche Geschichte', Momo is not a popular book in the English speaking world.)

[@rithikdutta8086]

Something worth knowing

[@AC-uk1ox]

I just wanna say I've loved Claudia all along. She was developed from a cold, heartless person with a strictly analytical mind to someone who dedicated her life to saving her family. Her development as a parallel lead character to Jonas had many thinking she was evil, but I was so sure that she had more up her sleeve!

[@shaecouture7480]

Did she save her family though...... Bartosz no longer exists. Her Regina and the rest of her family no longer exist.

[@07wickedwizard]

@@shaecouture7480 her main intension was to save Regina, which she successfully did.. in the origin world Alexander never came to wenden, so Bartosz never exists..

[@leedongwok86]

I've loved all the characters.. it now seemingly many people claiming "Claudia has always been my favourite" like just because she was written as the one who figured out the time loop.. when since season 1 it was her who studied the time loop and then left the recording discovered by Jonas in 2052.. Claudia has always part of the main highlight in this show Jonas isn't the only "lead character".. this show is an ensemble show with many "lead characters".. Jonas is noticeably missing from some episodes, since season 1 episode 3 (the episode where Claudia was introduced).. in many other episodes he is shown very little scene.. If you think this show is about Jonas, then the Jonas we followed since season 1 episode 1 died shot by Martha in season 3 episode 5.. that partcular Jonas is gone This show isn't about who is the best, but about the journey of the main characters figuring out the time loop and how to escape from it, and it delivers a satisfying ending where all main characters got what they want

[@AC-uk1ox]

rosy click I agree with you, and I’m certainly not saying that the series is about who is best. I’ve watched many reactions and reviews, however, and it often seems that people saw Claudia as either developing as a “villain” or as someone who never grew out of her selfishness. She was, in fact, always developed as a character who had a hard time balancing her inherent brilliance with her struggles to truly connect with others - particularly after her father turned to alcoholism and she had to become even more independent. Claudia was written to be somewhat perplexing - appearing to have different overall goals with the dark matter at different points in her life. Until season 3, we were also missing portions of her motivations, so I think many reviewers saw her as someone who could not be trusted. From rappelling into a cave in high heels and working a perfect 80s coiffure to unraveling Winden’s mysteries and becoming the ultimate time traveler, I’ve always looked forward to her scenes - particularly Julika Jenkins’ iteration of her.

[@AC-uk1ox]

All Things Awesome Gaming It’s true that Bartosz is never born, but one can also say he’s spared the torment of losing Martha to Jonas, getting trapped in 1888, losing his wife in childbirth and being murdered by his own son. Bartosz’s role in the knot was an unhappy one.

[@discoluder]

Claudia heard a major hint about the loophole in time travel when the radio was playing in 2020. A woman on the radio says. "A French team of scientists believes it possible that our world stood still for a fraction of a nanosecond on June 27, possibly causing the divergence of tidal forces."

[@Lemonade467]

I didn’t get that part what does that mean ?

[@jutjubow]

Great observation!

[@Hemaaaa]

This makes so much sense! Brilliant observation

[@ja_franz6689]

Is this also a reference to the French delegation?

[@nikolakarapejevski]

jonas heard that but still i also heard it and was sure it will become in handy later

[@lyndiss.2017]

Hey, uh, this is my take on the ending in general. It's a veeeeery long essay, because Dark really made me think for days. Nevertheless, I want to share with you and anyone else interested. Thanks for reading in advance! Although every event in the loop repeats itself _ad Infinitum,_ there is actually quite a lot of deliberation from three major players, who *all* _intentionally_ ensures the loop is replicated in every cycle: Adam, Eve, and Claudia. Causal determinism definitely plays a role in the loops, yet it is *not* destiny (in philosophy, Fatalism is a different school of thought from Determinism), because the cause and effects still rely on these actors (the time-travelers, specifically) to produce. Now, *Adam and Eve both faithfully **_maintained_** the loop within their power, even if their ultimate goals differ.* Adam wanted to replicate it all up to the point when he could abduct an impregnated Alt-Martha so that he could kill her and the child. But it didn't work, because Eve took advantage of quantum entanglement (where all possible states exist as individual realities) at the Apocalypse in Adam's loop, and so both "Alt-Martha saved Jonas from the Apocalypse" and "Alt-Martha never saved Jonas from the Apocalypse" are true, so the super-freak child always survived, just as it had happened for so many cycles. This time though, Claudia succeeded in appearing before Adam and talked to him about the existence of the third world--the Origin World--that neither Adam nor Eve realized (because they're always focused on maintaining their own Loops only, especially since the objects of their attachment exist in their Loops already and so they don't have any motivation to see beyond the duality). This conversation has never happened in previous cycles, so let's imagine this as "the visible Crack has formed on the Loops". Claudia told Adam to save Jonas during *Adam's Apocalypse* (when quantum entanglement is "enabled") before Alt-Martha. Adam succeeded, saving Jonas, thus foiling Eve's perfect execution of the Loops. Our "Crack" has widened. Now, Jonas must stop Alt-Martha from being recruited by Magnus and Franziska during *Eve's Apocalypse.* Jonas succeeded, thus foiling Adam's part of the perfect execution of Loop. Our "Crack" has widened into a "Hole" out of the two Loops. The duo now went to the point in time when time-traveling *first* became possible ("The tunnel in the cave opens") in Adam's Loop and used it to travel to the Origin World. They came to this blue-light tunnel place, where both J&M realized that Baby Martha (Eve's Loop) and Baby Jonas (Adam's Loop) had seen one another in a dream-like hallucination before. This is despite Jonas _never existing_ in Eve's Loop. This scene, to me, serves to drive home the point that Jonas and Martha are indeed, "the glitches of the Matrix". They are such important glitches that Time and Space once broke down and caused these brief hallucinations. They are also important glitches who ultimately control the power of time-traveling in their respective Loops as Adam and Eve, thus causing the never-ending Loops. In a sense, they're like bugs in a program that spawned other errors. What is the specific reason for choosing the "Tunnel Opens" event as the launchpad for Jonas and Martha to travel to the Origin World? If there _was_ a concrete reason in the script, I've missed it. *What I hypothesized* is that Tannhaus' original intention of making time-traveling possible *is to prevent the death of his family,* hence Tannhaus built and _programmed_ his original time machine to reach that specific point in the Origin World. When J&M finally broke the cycles of their loops, it is as though they fixed the "looping bug" in the flow of Time following Tannhaus' machine activation. Thus, the Tunnel-opening event continued and deposited J&M before Tannhaus' family _just as Tannahaus originally programmed its machine to do._ It's just that the one who did the traveling wasn't the scientist himself, but J&M. Then, J&M succeeded in preventing the death of Tannhaus' family, thus erasing the reality where the grief-stricken scientist built the time machine in the first place, which effectively removed the Origin World's Apocalypse from happening. There is now no longer the event that spawned the two Loops. Without these two Loops, though, neither Jonas nor Martha ever existed, so they got Thanos'd. We also see other characters who are either not supposed to be born (Adam, Eve, the Stranger, etc.) or in the wrong time/place (Old Claudia in the bunker) being Thanos'd. Since the invention of time-traveling never existed, the Origin World is devoid of loops and strange paradoxes, and only the naturally-existing characters are left. From the Origin World's standpoint, nothing in Season 1, 2, and most of Season 3 ever happened. In fact, *empirically,* none of the Loops had ever happened, and nothing that existed exclusively in the Loops had ever existed… except for that one instance--Jonas and Marth, materialized out from nowhere to stop the family from dying, before vanishing completely. Empirically, they should not have existed, yet they _did_ make a physical, long-lasting effect like any other physical being. In other words, *Jonas and Martha only existed within those few minutes. That was the extent of their lives.* They "were born" for a few minutes, and then they "died." One would then say, hang on, how could that be life? Life starts from a baby and then there's a journey and then how long they live depends on their luck. Yet, Jonas and Martha's lives were a blip. This is why Jonas tearfully proclaimed to Martha in the end, " *We're* the glitches of the Matrix." They are the abnormalities; they are the glitches of a system called Time. ---End of my take on the ending. As I said, it's really not authoritative and it's just my take. Really sorry for the length of the comment, but I really enjoyed thinking this up and I hope anyone who read to this point enjoyed it too! 😊

[@lyndiss.2017]

An addendum: Is there a point where Jonas or Martha ever came upon the "A Travel Through Time" book and read it? Claudia is the one who was shown to have received it from Helge (bless the man; I ached for him) as a congratulation gift. It's not out of her nature to have read the book thoroughly and so gained a theoretical understanding of the Laws of Time and quantum theories on top of her later practical experience of time-traveling. This would allow her to gain an advantage over Adam and Eve in understanding time, perhaps?

[@nimbu_rani]

So according to you, Jonas and Martha were created by Tannhaus when he spilt his world into two? I know about creation of new realities but can people be created as well?

[@garimasinha7909]

It's beautifully explained with technicalities!!! I love it

[@lyndiss.2017]

@@nimbu_rani Yes, but it's in a very indirect way. Tannhaus' disastrous effort created the realities where the two Loops existed. Since these are also where Jonas and Martha and most of the characters we knew could exist, he indeed unknowingly created entirely new people.

[@lyndiss.2017]

@@garimasinha7909 Really? T-thank you! And also thanks for reading! /sheepish/ I actually didn't expect too many to read it. It's so embarrassingly long 🙈

[@depressedonion2393]

Claudia's influence over the cycle. Lots of questions here about how Claudia managed to do what she did so here's my two cents! At the end of season 2 Jonas tells Claudia that the older Claudia taught him about making extremely tiny changes to the loop. "Changing a grain of sand" is how he described it. My understanding is that Claudia has spent untold eons making these tiny changes. Each change would be insignificant by itself but still kept track of in the Unknown's leather book that Claudia and Noah are both so fond of. Imagine if you were given a script for a play that burns itself out of existence when the play concludes. This script was written down by someone who attended the play the night before and kept track of everything that was said and done. You are told that you are to perform the play exactly as it's written so that when you get the script for the following night it will be the exact same as the night before. Problem is, you hate this play because it's miserable and horrifying. But there's good news, you've figured out right away that you can change one single letter to the entire script each night and no one will notice. At first your replacements are insignificant and meaningless, maybe even seen as an error or aberration. Nevertheless they get written down and appear in the following evening's script. Eventually, night after night as your changes create new words and eventually brand new sentences, you have started to create an impact on how the play is performed. Eventually you're able to write your characters into completely new situations that have never happened before and therefore create a new ending to the play. My analogy isn't perfect but maybe it helps us understand how Claudia did what she did a little easier?

[@MANDY-sm9os]

Excellent analogy

[@cqd.0v3]

That is actually a really great explantion for those who didnt understand it!

[@Shahraman]

Your analogy is really great. The thing is… this loop has been going on for infinity. So the alleged changes have already made a impact an infinite time ago. I particularly don't like the "we can now change things" stuff. I think it breaks the show's original nature.

[@suryakashbakolia8482]

I think your analogy is right on!! Thats why in season 3 older claudia is able to tell adam that this is the first time that is happening.. You and Me... Maybe thoses changes in grains of sand have finally culminated in impacting a change... Maybe older claudia of previous time were able to know about the origin world all along but they were waiting for the grains of sand to reach the right moment...

[@chrisbrydon3438]

Diasagree, your analogy is perfect :)

[@kumpustaz]

Gave me chills to think back to the scene where Martha and the boys are swimming and they’re teasing her about some woman underwater pulling them down.... her mother is literally down there dead the whole time. Getting chills just writing this comment!

[@richeats]

I didn't tie that together! That's amazing.

[@vivianxavier4688]

I must tell it was a mind boggling thought u observed..plz be honest to say if u got this thought the first time u watched the series or a repeat?

[@burcopresents]

@@vivianxavier4688it was pretty obvious to me on first watch. Especially when I saw them fight on the lake, and when I saw that Katharina’s mom had the necklace.

[@pairot01]

The best part is that HG Tannhaus actually succeeded in creating a machine that could bring people back from the dead, he just never gets to know he did.

[@Strawberryfiend]

I love Claudia, she was my favourite character. I was worried she wouldn't get enough spotlight in season 3

[@abibabidin957]

at first i thought she was the main problem... i feel bad for thinking that... CLAUDIA I LOVE U

[@OfficalTVDNTv]

Same!!!

[@anactualdog4453]

I thought she was a villain

[@abibabidin957]

@@anactualdog4453 IKR

[@sparsh_malhotra]

Who was the Claudia's husband in origin world ? I couldn't recognize that guy in picture.

[@DrakeRubicon]

This might help also: Claudia was the only one with a scientific background. She noticed irregularities by looking at the data of the power plant, as well as actually developing a working time machine with Jonas and Noah in the future. With all the things Adam and Eva were up to, they just lacked the fundamental understanding of the foundation of how it all works (Physics). Plausible Speculation: Probably Claudia measured the halflife time of some of the necessary Caesium Atoms in the time machine and compared it to the residue of it in the cave, noticing a significant 1-second gap, thus gaining knowledge of the exploit. (This might happen in all Loops so Eva can gain that knowledge from her.) Depending upon the instruments she might also have found variations in the spin (or whatever else characteristic of atoms; add technobabble here) to see that there have to be 3 distinct realities, with two being severely overrepresented on the overall conglomeration of cesium...

[@chirag8503]

What gave her this idea in this cycle and why not in previous cycle

[@Jerryx29]

@@chirag8503 Because every cycle is slightly different each time

[@molleh3180]

I like this one

[@mrsensei8878]

@@chirag8503 They told the cycles are little different but each time Adam and Eve made it that it had the same conclusion.

[@NicMediaDesign]

Also she had diochroma or how it is called where one has two differently colored eyes. She saw right trough it all.

[@kensei31]

This whole concept of infinite reality loop between 2 worlds is just a piece-meal of the larger paradox - A multidimensional butterfly effect. We have only seen 3 realities - Adam & Eve's plus the 'origin' world of Tannhaus', while in fact there could be infinite parallel realities already occuring from Tannhaus' world. What we know is just a drop, What we don't know is an ocean.

[@vijaykokkonda2172]

Damn good..... "parallel" itself refers to if... that there can be infinite parallel worlds

[@CaitSithOfWutai]

I remember posting a theory to reddit after season one, where I believed that Agnes was actually either Martha or maybe Martha's daughter and thus Martha was her own (great) grandmother or something to that effect. And everyone called me stupid because "how could that work on a genetic/biological level and how about probabilities and stuff".. After some rude comments I deleted the post again. Then in season 2 they gave us Charlotte and Elisabeth and I laughed my ass off. Then in season three they gave us this absolute incest-fest and somehow Martha DID end up being her own great great grandmother.. So, yeah.. FUCK YOU, REDDIT.

[@laneythelame]

Lol you should have never deleted it, but at least u know u were right!!

[@goofygoober6211]

bruh reddit is just so toxic and mean sometimes. continue to do what you like to do, post your theories, etc. don't let those dumbasses get to you

[@jansojele289]

For real reddit sucks

[@Jousten16]

Reddit is often a bunch of butthurt little assholes. As soon as you write something that is not seen positively in their hivemind or going against the opinion of the majority you get downvoted to hell and such. How dare you have a different opinion and not agree with the stupid majority of a sub.

[@annett5]

Agnes is Martha's daughter-in-law (Unknown's wife/lover) and greatgrandmother🙃 If only you didn't delete that theory

[@akeenobumatsu]

My take: 1. Prime Claudia killing Alt Claudia and assuming a double agent role in order to dupe both Adam and Eve is part of the cycle. Think of it as a bootstrap paradox- it has no origin, it simply exists. This also includes her being able to discover Eve's glitch trick, therefore she is able to duplicate herself onto another path. 2. Each time she splits, the Claudia that did it endorses every finding to the glitch Claudia, including how to do the split and tell her to try and discover new things from what is already given, then repeat the cycle. 3. After passing on all information, the Claudia that performed the glitch will continue to play the role that Adam and Eve expects of her so as to keep both in the dark. This ultimately leads to her death by Noah. 4. In season 2, Claudia said that no matter how much you change things, everything will still end the same way. However, this is probably just her playing the game, and giving false information. Plus, Claudia did mention that you can change things little by little, which holds some truth with the way she has been doing things. 5. Claudia picking Tannhaus was the tricky part for most. But, with all the information given, also from my own theorycrafting, I believe there is a reason as to how Claudia was able to pinpoint Tannhaus as the cause of the split. Firstly, Tannhaus is probably the most capable person in the split worlds to create a time machine who is not part of the Incestry (yes, I am calling it that). Although he is given the information, tools, and blueprint, I think Claudia believed that out of all the characters in the show, he is still the mostly likely to create his own time machine, even without the handicap. You may be wondering "if he is capable of it then why didn't he create his own after losing his family?" Well, the likely answer is that he was already given all the tools necessary to create one (the one Claudia and stranger Jonas helped him build), therefore he won't arrive to his own version of a time machine (the one that can cause a split). As for his motivation to create his own, I think him receiving Charlotte was a factor. In the origin world, he lost all 3 of his family and had no one left. But in the split world she at least had Charlotte, which probably made his loss more bearable, just enough to ignore the idea of going back in time and to save his family. However, him not deciding to go back is also how Claudia clued in on him (i think). Remember, CHARLOTTE is part of the incestry, therefore she doesn't exist in the Origin world, but Tannhaus and his family do. Therefore, if Charlotte didn't exist in the Adam and Eve worlds, then the chance of Tannhaus spending most of his lifetime to create HIS own version of the time machine significant increases. How come? Well, seeing as how our characters in the series are so hellbent in protecting their own agenda or trying to save their loved one (i.e. Claudia finding ways to save Regina relentlessly), then wouldn't someone like Tannhaus, who lost all 3 family members, do the same, to the extent of making a time machine to do so? 6. If you don't want to be bothered by all the theories, then you can just think of all the events as a deterministic. Therefore, there are two original realities/timelines. One is where Tannhaus lost his family and creates the time machine, and the other is where they all lived happily ever after. All events in the splits worlds are predetermined, even the smallest changes, down to how many cycles it would take for Claudia to figure out everything. It just plays out as time has permitted it. THE END. It's pretty straightforward, but it avoids migraines, so there's that hehehe. P.S. Dark is currently my favorite work of fiction/sci-fi that deals with time-travel and parallel worlds/realities.

[@jayanta131190]

Well written

[@bkaran]

Have you seen 12 monkeys?

[@akeenobumatsu]

@@bkaran yep... still prefer this one

[@ronitgandhi7716]

Bro your theory is legit 💯

[@abril976]

Wall of text, but definitely worth the while. Thank you for this comment! Out of curiosity, how many times have you watched the show? I want to watch it all over again (it would be my third time) but I now have so much information about the story that I think it might be counterproductive lol.

[@augijyotbali2131]

Dark is a masterpiece, never believe anything else

[@jansojele289]

33th like

[@NotQuiteFirst]

eh, it was ok

[@sandippaul468]

Superslow and too melodramatic

[@BasiliskDark536]

​@@sandippaul468 I like that it's a bit slow. Wouldn't comprehend as much if it weren't

[@annett5]

​@@jansojele28966th now

[@YReezyGang]

Just started season 1 again, let's see if we can change things ..

[@songsnatureanime1648]

_YOU and I are Perfect for each other_ *Never believe anything else*

[@DRGIZMO29]

we all know the real question that we are all have is what the hell happened to woller's eye

[@djpunjab5061]

What happened to Torben Wöller's eye is still the biggest mystery in this entire show

[@sophiesyre3700]

Its a running gag. The Actor hit his eye on exident. It was Never a real storyline.

[@jennifer9047]

Bottle rocket accident. Summer of 2018. 😉

[@JRF1004]

The series finale of Dark was the most perfect ending I have seen since Breaking Bad

[@LegendsOfRoyale]

Exactly bro breaking bad was the most satisfying ending and after that dark🥰 and most disappointing was GOT 😡

[@imalwayssleepy7997]

My thoughts exactly!!👍🏼👍🏼😃

[@eden20111]

Spongebob had a better season finale than this .. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@MadMaXXXim]

Billie Eyelash I saw nobody pointing how this season was stretched to fill the episodes. The ending may be good but this season makes things so diluted that it ended the show pretty badly to me. I was like, okay.. The first 2 seasons were so much more intense and well paced. It was not far from being a perfect show

[@MrGreatDane2]

@@MadMaXXXim You're the first person that I've ever seen online that found season 3 disappointing, glad that I'm not the only one. Season 3 stacked so much more unnecessary complexity onto the series, forcing it to spend all screentime in explaining what was going on, not allowing the character drama to breathe, which was what made the show great to begin with

[@MrWicked187]

Random... but why does no one talk about how Regina is Helge's sister. How creepy was Helge's dad and Claudia's relationship. Grooming her to take over his position and impregnating her. That whole exchange when he was giving her extra money as a kid is so creepy to me now

[@hrushikeshkakade3911]

This is so confusing

[@MrWicked187]

@@hrushikeshkakade3911 check their website's family tree

[@aravindsooryakant8318]

Actually Helge is not the biological brother of Regina because Helge is not the biological son of Bernd Doppler, instead Helge was the product of rape on Greta Doppler by Anatol Veliev

[@MrWicked187]

@@aravindsooryakant8318 "AcTuAlLy" Lol you're right, but that doesn't it stop it from being creepy. His actions, age, and all that is an amalgamation of what makes this creepy.

[@alperiqs6616]

I dont understand

[@lukalonghe2692]

Damn imagine martha and jonas were the caused of the car accident * boom*

[@anitaarpadarehi7673]

I have imagiend that and I was sure😀

[@shekhargarhwal9516]

this was the obvious ending...never ending cycle...no free will..this is harsh reality but then showmakers chose to give a satisfactory ending after fucking our mind for 26 hours

[@kazandrarok7681]

I was thinking that too, and hoping SO much... Crazy, but I think it would have fit DARK more. But still it's the greatest show so far... 😍

[@thejericho]

I was on the edge of my seat the whole time bc I was so sure a truck was coming and it'd kill them lol or just Martha and Jonas feckin standing in the middle of the road

[@shekhargarhwal9516]

@@kazandrarok7681 it has still real, dark and nihilistic ending.Two, Superman and superwomen made to think that they are born to save worlds. Instead, they hurting themselves and hurt their loved ones. That happens all around the world all the time.

[@art-rq9ql]

The concept of realities litreraly blow my mind, Its fascinating the fact that you think you understand it all, but in fact, Its more and more complex everytime you pay attention to details.

[@selinaacharya837]

What we know is a drop, what we don’t know is an ocean😩

[@krishna_v98]

can we just appreciate how perfectly Eva draws the infinite symbol freehand!!!!!!!

[@marcolazaro4736]

Everytime Noah speaks, I see Berlin's face ( money heist )

[@ExplainItYaar]

Kid - Back to the future Man - interstellar Legends - Dark

[@IorekMetal]

@BITCOIN SWAMI Time Crimes is a Spanish film.

[@IorekMetal]

Interstellar is really shitty in fact. It works only on paradox and love...

[@gagans5961]

Correction: Kid- Back to the future Man- Interstellar Legends- Predestination Ultra Legends- Dark

[@jocker1299]

@@IorekMetal the best sci-fi movie that I have ever seen. It was not too crazy and obays physics. It also has the best replication of the black hole and wormhole

[@alitcher4425]

Tenet?

[@indraneelbinu7186]

The biggest jaw-drop moment for me in the show was hands down revealing that Adam was none other than Jonas himself. Rather than being a very superior twist, it just shows us how we sometimes end up becoming what we exactly despised as a child or a teen.

[@kuwa333]

I actually stopped watching the show when the show revealed who Adam was, I was like "Wait, so everything is gonna happen again til Jonas becomes Adam, why should I watch it then?" Then a year later, I gave it another chance and finish this show. It's beautiful.

[@NotQuiteFirst]

I thought Adam being Jonas was super-obvious from the moment he's introduced. For me, the jawdrop twist was when Jonas reunited with his dad to stop him hanging himself, only to find out that it was Jonas who took Mikkel through time and that it has to happen that way.

[@rahulprakaash3350]

@@kuwa333 why jonas become Adam I have more answer, but you have to read it fully. Dark series also shown reincarnation as a quantum Immortality concept, Katherina died in first world and reborns in second World, she then died in second World during apocalypse but her soul remembers her suffering during the lost of Mikkel that's why she was hugging Mikkel during apocalypse, Peter died in first world and reborns in second World, that's why he was feeling like he have met Jonas, when Jonas first time came to his world, because he have given him therapy, Martha have also born in second World that's why she was saying that when I met you Jonas I felt I met you before, Magnus Does all time travel thing with Jonas and reborns in second World and that's why he was satisfied during Apocalypse of second World because he have done so much work so his soul was satisfied. Similarly Francisca also done so much work and reborns in second second World and she was not having voice because she disrespected her sister who can't speak and her soul was also satisfied during Apocalypse of second World. but Jonas born again in his own universe but in Scrodinger cat theory, quantum immortality, that's why he never born in second World because he was always present in his world, his soul never gone their to reborn. But they all reborn in third world through different parents and reunited. The paradise. yes it may possible that quantum immortality concept of quantum physics can exist in real we just don't know that we are immortal and we will be become our Ulternate version of Scrodinger cat experiment, as Jonas felt something when he first read the letter of Martha, because he knows then only that The lines he said to real Martha can't be known by the Martha of other world. So it may be all version of all characters were past and future life of each other. And that is why he became Adam from Jonas. There is also a hint given in episode 5 of season 2 that in staring scene Middle Jonas dreamed where he is with Teenage Martha on bed and then suddenly Martha belly Ejects black liquid and that was their son, the origin, he was shocked because Adult jonas never goes to Martha for intercourse on bed , but because in true sense he goes to Martha world and died and reincarnated in alternate version. And this song just was playing during Stranger Jonas was on work, indicating that he is done dying

[@user-ct7km3pb3i]

For me it was when jonas reunited with his dad to stop him from suiciding to only get hit by the reality that he himself was the cause of his father's death and mikkel's disappearance...absolutely heartbreaking

[@the_oculus]

Did anyone notice that whenever Origin World's scenes came in, the aspect ratio of the video changed.

[@shaecouture7480]

And the color palette. And the bunker door opens upwards instead of to either side, the church tower is centered etc.

[@vaish_chavan]

What is aspect ratio

[@the_oculus]

@@vaish_chavan the screen size of the video

[@pairot01]

it literally was mentioned in the video...

[@rinmartell2678]

Not only that. In Jonas world every colour is faded. It is indeed a dark world. The only bright colour is yellow (e.g. Jonas jacket, the power plant suites). In Marthas alt world everything is faded as well. Here the brightest colour would be red (e.g. the protection suits in the power plant are red). Whenever we are in the clockmakers shop you see more colours...it is somehow brighter. When the clock maker uses his machine in the origin world, the machine made orange lights in the middle. Red and Yellow make Orange. The world splits into two: yellow and red. It is fascinating really.

[@faitheditzz7529]

The real question is ‘When she knew about the original world’...

[@Abdmash1]

I really was expecting Ulrich will be saved and going to come bcak home lol

[@VS-op2qm]

Abdullah A what really happens to Ulrich? He was never born?

[@stolenmeme7975]

@@VS-op2qm He never exists because the Unknown is his grandfather

[@user-np9lb1xh7k]

Same and I was really hoping Mikkel would be brought back :'(

[@patrickbal3021]

Brilliant how the time machine eventually saves Tanhauss family after all

[@IammSuper]

there are so many ways Claudia and us could've figured out about the origin world but we've just not been paying attention we've been too focused on what Adam and Eva are doing we didn't pay attention to everyone else. 1- Tannhaus is the only character we see in the show that isn't related to anyone yet he plays the most important part in them being travelers (he made the device). 2- Tannhaus's book, we thought its a bootstrap paradox but i think it wasnt even written by our Tannhaus after all, it could've been written by origin world's Tannhaus. 3- Claudia from Eva's world tells Claudia from Adam's world that its a positive feedback loop, which gives Claudia the idea to start changing little things and every time the loop starts again its further away from its equilibrium status. 4- why does everyone who is not a part of that weird family tree, keeps getting born all over again and into the same family? why does Claudia keep giving birth to the same Regina even though she isnt a part of the loop? thats not how biology works. 5- after 33 years in the loop Claudia must've at least wondered when was the first loop? how did the first loop even happen? which could lead her to understand that the entire loop is a bootstrap paradox. 6- most importantly, Claudia is the only traveler who actually exists in the origin world, everyone else like Adam and Eva are too focused on repeating/ending it to even think about anything else, its as if they were programmed to always do the same thing over and over again, but Claudia is the only one who tries to change things in the loop , kinda like she has free will and they're just programs. i could ramble on forever about how we all could've figured it out since season one but we were just so blind lol

[@shreekarshetti1406]

Someone please please explain this to me: When Jhonas and Martha entered in the Quantum vaccum for a few seconds Jhonas saw young Martha (Eva's world) and Martha saw young Jhonas (Adam's world) . Later when they both ended up on the road after preventing the accident Martha told to Jhonas "So it was you back then, I thought it was a dream " It means some Johnas and Martha have already travelled to this extent and yet the loop continued! So does it mean the earlier Johnas and Martha failed to prevent the accident even if they reached the original world? Or does it mean in all the cases they were the reasons for the accident? And what about the non-discovered body of Charollett ( original Grand daughter of Tanhaus) ?

[@antipro4483]

Yes

[@TitenSxull]

I think that them traveling to the origin world is itself a "switch point" or moment of entanglement as hinted at in the video above. That is to say in some version of the origin world Jonas and Martha arriving causes Tannhaus' family to have the accident (which I honestly was expecting was going to happen). Just in the way that sometimes Martha saves Jonas and sometimes she doesn't, sometimes they fail to prevent the accident and sometimes they do. So I think that Claudia is mistaken when she says it's the first time her and Adam had that conversation and that you are correct, Martha and Jonas having seen each other means they made it to that point in the loop before. I could be wrong but I think what they were going for is the idea that WE the audience forced the origin world to choose a state. The two splinter worlds (Eva and Adam's worlds) represent the two quantum states (before the origin world is observed) existing at the same time (as far as Schrodinger's cat is concerned) and the audience is the deciding factor.

[@shreekarshetti1406]

@@TitenSxull @TitenSxull Ya I too believe it was a switch point but atleast for 140+ years they always failed to accomplish the task because the moment they do it, their worlds are fully destroyed (140+ years because we have seen year 1880 when adult Johnas travels back during Apocalypse) and also the immediate next year again the accident will occur with the younger versions and so it becomes a recursion where in every 150 years (approx) once the family of Tannhause is saved! As far as Claudia is concerned I think she is right in her perspective! I dont know how far i am right but this is what i think.. Sometimes during the Apocalypse along with Johnas she too does a "switch of quantum entanglement" where either she saves Regina or she fails to take Regina with her in bunker! Everytime the claudia A who saves Regina has guided the younger Claudia and was killed by Noah. Claudia B who failed to save Regina met Adams! So the younger version of Claudia will always be unaware of its switched older version (Old Claudia B)

[@FuranTenshiFK]

I think that in the dimension of the wormhole, time stops being divided in past present and future. Hence, it happens all at the same "time", so they're at the same time their younger version and their older version, and their memory of them seeing eachother is created automatically since it happened, even if it happened for the first time in that moment. It's a bit complicated, maybe I didn't explain myself very well, but I think that's the answer

[@kirtansolanki3024]

No jonas and martha coming to the origin world was their first time there and they never visited it before that as already mentioned by cludia that it was all happening for the first time. The thing which martha said to jonas on the road was reference to her world(Eva's world) where she saw jonas when she was young standing behind the closet...as you would have seen in many horror movies...it was just something she remembered of seeing a man(jonas here) through the closet when she was yound but didn't comprehend him to be jonas as she didn't know him then...it was as a glitch in the matrix where both of then appeared in front of one another in their own world. For those saying that they caused the accident in multiple possibilities...that would be incorrect on multiple terms...1st the whole origin world thing happening for the first time...and 2nd that there was no river and truck to get their car in water. I guess this would have cleared your doubt. Also this is my opinion which I think is truely apt

[@mehfin]

Noah's full timeline (in Adam's world) would also be very interesting, he's still one of the most complicated characters to me

[@nadnadnadnad7133]

Another question I had is how Adam knew about his and Martha's baby? And also why were Noah and Helge kidnapping children to test the time travel chair when they could already time travel at that point?

[@runescapepk13]

im following this

[@neg2235]

because as we see the apocalypse was very important , and none of this happened if they didn't kidnapped children (for example Erik or Mads). this time machine was important because everything must be repeated. Also Adam knew about child , because he was close to Agnes , who was her wife . Also Agnes was close to Claudia who knew everything

[@kishoarwasif2670]

The story uses the term "the unknown" to refer to Adam & Eve's child. so i'll be using that. well as for your first question, the unknown exists in Adam's world. he impregnated Agnes and thus Tronte was born. Adam might discover that 'the unknown' is his child. but it creates another question. Adam knows that what has been already done, can not be undone.. so why should he try to kill young martha with the child inside, knowing the unknown already exists (?)

[@kishoarwasif2670]

and as for the 2nd question, its necessary for the story. see, Noah and Older helge build the prototype time machine. after few fail attempts, it became a success when child Helge traveled from 1986 to 1953. Claudia later used this prototype to create the blueprint for the box shaped time machine(which they called 'the Apparatus'). claudia gave the blueprint to Tannhaus, and he created the apparatus.

[@garimasinha7909]

@@kishoarwasif2670 then who forwarded the prototype blueprints to Claudia so that she could pass it on to HG Tanhaus?? As far I remember it was Eva who gave that blueprint to Claudia and then she passed it on to Tanhaus so how is the chair machine and it's prototype related to blueprints Tanhaus had?

[@larryl4453]

I was thinking... since Tannhaus essentially saved his son through his intention to build the time machine to do so, does that make the inventor of the time machine (at least in the Dark universe) all-powerful? After all, if they have the intention to build a time machine following any problem in their lives, it would cause such loops that would be untangled by "angels" such as Jonas and Martha. So essentially the entire universe would turn and bend to the will of Tannhaus, throughout his life? After all, even if he gets old he can give the plans to develop the time machine to someone else to complete the machine after his death. Thus, time must "keep him happy" to ensure he does not create a time machine in the origin world.

[@MrNictaxlord]

Love that theory

[@Temry]

brilliant thought

[@pirouz8042]

Wow yeah, you’re absolutely right. What makes this crazier is that he doesn’t even know he has such a power...

[@gyptii]

He doesn't know this. Because he only builds the time machine when something diverges from his "fate" he will ultimately never build the time machine. The divergence will always correct itself. So all your saying is, things will always turn out as they were "intended" by his fate. Or: the original world is deterministic.

[@nidhipatil9346]

What a line...."Time must keep him happy" Impressive👌

[@sukanyachakraborti1674]

After telling Adam about the origin world, Claudia sets off to her original path of going to younger Egon to apologize and eventually die at the hands of Noah (that's what I got from the final hug scene between the 2 Claudias).

[@saket1380]

But like....if she sent young jonas and martha to end the origin. Why did she choose to die by the hands of noah and not wait for jonas and martha to finish the job so she could just disintegrate into light like the rest.

[@07wickedwizard]

@@saket1380 then that would create another reality where the older Claudia never met Adam, remember she said everything had to go the same way for things to lead upto that moment where she meets Adam.. so she went back to die in the hands of Noah..

[@vaish_chavan]

That is the alternate reality where she gets killed. Her meeting with Adam never happened before and it was the first time the conversation happens. In the end of the finale, it is shown that she disappears like Adam, Eva and the rest. You know kind of like dust? What I don't understand is why she had to die because she was not tied to the knot. Because regina came through her and if regina is alive in the origin world then claudia should too.

[@saket1380]

@@vaish_chavan if regena is alive in origin world. That means claudia is/was too. Maybe they didn't choose to show her at the dining table like certain other characters like ulric etc

[@07wickedwizard]

@@saket1380 Ulrich never existed in the origin world..

[@shubhamomer5652]

Everything was connected with the desires. Jonas wanted Martha, Martha wanted Jonas. All these desires clouded their understanding and they were doing everything in desire of saving each other. Claudia was also doing everything with the desire of saving her daughter. But once she left that desire and actually looked for the answers she found it.

[@lyndiss.2017]

What Claudia did remind me of this Buddhist concept I came across before: "use your desire to abandon your desire, then abandon that desire." So Claudia's attachment is her daughter's welfare, but it's only by not getting attached and fixated on the daughter she knew and cared for (the Regina that exists in the Loops), that allow her to catch the subtle hints of the Origin World buried in the Loops. On the other hand, although Jonas is largely selfless and even willing to die if it means everyone could be free from suffering, he clings to Martha so much that on the way, he justifies his existence by saying he's the only one who could free all, including his dear Martha, from the Loops. Hence he feels no qualms committing more and more self-serving actions. Martha is also not a selfish person, but slowly as she become Eve, she clings to her son, who can only exists in a repetitive Loop filled with paradoxes. For her son to live, the Loops must be maintained at all cost. It's only when Jonas and Martha committed an act that is not of their immediate self-interest and directed to their attachments, i.e. saving a scientist's family whom they don't even know, that ultimately liberated them all. Quite a nice philosophical ending, methinks!

[@ananyasharma7463]

But it's still desire. What originally caused Claudia to look for a third alternative was the fact that Regina died in both worlds, so exactly for what she is working for. It led her to finding answers. Now Martha/Eve was only interested in preserving the knot and her son with it. Jonas was always up to erasing his own existence if Martha and Mikkel and everyone else survives. But as he found out it's bigger than him and he has a more important role. Then after years Adam realised that not only him but infact the entire 2 worlds need to be destroyed but he had the wrong origin. In his ego and being continuously told about his importance and him being savior he entirely missed the mark on the actual origin. He loved Martha but had to destroy his attachment to her because she is also not supposed to exist, but he also hates Eve.

[@iknowright.1536]

Writers are obsessed with that TRINITY that's why we have only 3 seasons

[@spyros7anastasiou]

Finally someone that pronounces Jonas the correct way!!

[@sahilshimpi9683]

Whenever I start reading these comments, I just can't get out. Infinite loop? 🔁

[@nidhipatil9346]

What a perfection👌

[@atlas7820]

The fact that the writers establish the principle of the triquetra in like the 2nd season yet I still could not figure out the twist of there being a 3rd origin world is absolutely wonderful writing. The way this show makes you struggle between duality and triality is truly award winning. This may be the best show I’ve ever seen, definitely the most thought-provoking.

[@chathuskisenarath8533]

Eventually, Claudia became the main character of the dark serious.

[@rogerlindley3131]

I imagine the writers story board for each season had to be super complex. It probably looked a lot like the family trees from both worlds.

[@dominickbennett2354]

My favorite way to think about this whole story is that Tannhaus was successful in bringing his family back using time travel. The catch is he didn’t get the satisfaction of knowing it was his doing nor does he retain the exact science for it.

[@Naifukiti]

The book that Tannhaus wrote was from the origin world, it seem that nether Tannhaus in the spilt worlds wrote it.

[@PetePeppers1]

I never got the feeling that the book was from the origin world.

[@jesty_d]

That's what I was thinking too! I think the book is from the origin reality where Tannhaus succeed in creating the time travel machine! But then again Helge is the one introducing the book and he wasn't aware of the origin world!

[@MeghaSharma-ro9ru]

The book is what they call a bootstrap paradox which can only happen due to time travel. It exists because it was created due to time travel through itself. No real origin. Much like birth of Charlotte and Elizabeth

[@Toukon4ever]

Well the origin time machine splits reality while the mirror universe ones don't so I think the book is mostly just a blueprint for the latter and was paradoxically made in the split universes.

[@brayanmiranda9158]

@@MeghaSharma-ro9ru but it happened at least once in one loop right? then brought back in the next loop, then it never needed to be written ever again. or im super stupid?

[@darichonne]

thank you pete, for always being there~ what a hell of a ride it is

[@sankalp6872]

Quantum Physicists: Where do we come from and where are we going? Odar and Friese: Hold my Beer

[@MEL2702]

Let's take a moment and appreciate that he is not a scientist and he is aware that he is not a scientist, (bc I hate people who talk on things they don't understand or, never study or even read about..)

[@untergehermuc]

Are you therefore hating Angela Merkel? Cause she has a PhD in quantum chemistry, is aware that she is a scientist? So the opposite to this channel, who you “appreciate” for being not a scientist?

[@benin.4394]

My Claudia takeon: As they mentioned time Stands still for few seconds everytime the apocalypse happens thus changing the law of causality for few seconds. Therefore the loops we're slightly different and Claudia always had a new chance to influence her younger self. The only reason this explanation is flawed is because they mention that the loop has been going on "for ever" but mathimatically this doesnt make sense as she would have come up with that theory infinite loops before. Kind of disappointed that they didnt really expand further on the "changing happenings" aspect but nevertheless a great season finale

[@radumarinescu355]

I just prefer to think that she gained more and more information bit by bit every single time. And then she just broke the infinite loop at a certian point in its infinity using her knowledge. Kind of like our actual universe, in the infinity of time, the big bang just happened out of nowhere and without any explanation at a certain point, much like Claudia breaking the knot. The is no further explanation possible for our mind to comprehand to why and how exactly because we also can't explain our universe creation.

[@ravi9516]

Exactly. The reason "what made her understand the origin in this iteration of the loop only but not in earlier iteration of loops" is not explained clearly

[@YumiSumire]

But you just explained it yourself. Every time the apocalypse happens, time stands still for a moment. Claudia probably knew that, and she used it to her advantage. On every loop when the apocalypse happened she tried to change the cycle bit by bit, until the break point finally came and she knew the how to end the cycle.

[@vaibhavsrivastava7875]

So I guess if we replace the word infinite with 'many many times' it would make sense? Besides it's probable that Claudia used the term 'infinite' only figuratively. Maybe the loop had to be reiterated a lot many times(but not infinite) for Claudia to finally meet Adam and explain him about the origin world.

[@ShiftyGeeza]

The ending was perfect. Being a fan of timetravel movies and TV shows I was half prepared to be disappointed with Jonas and Martha ending up being the cause of the accident and hence their split realities. I'm relieved they weren't. Closed loops have been done to death and there's nothing creative, shocking or satisfying about them anymore.

[@dan7291able]

I agree shifty, what we saw is something thats never been done before, the origin and breaking of a bootstrap paradox... i kept telling myself if this ends up being where they all just cease to exist, well I accept that, but SHOW me, .. when jonas and martha travel to the origin world finally, the screen goes black, my brother was SURE that was the end of the episode, season, series... and I thought about that... they could of easily done an ambiguous ending like that, and have us "think" about if they succeed in helping tannhaus or not. but even better, they tease that they are the reason maybe that tannhaus son dies, and the car swerves... and they DONT die... just brilliant... to see jonas and martha start disintegrating almost brought a tear to my eye, it was PERFECT.

[@chrisjfox8715]

@@dan7291able personally, I just wish they hadn't shown Adam, Eve, and Claudia etc disintegrate as well. Just seeing Jonas and Martha disintegrate got the point across and would've been more eloquant to let that stand on its own...before showing the resolution of the origin world.

[@ferferrairo]

@@chrisjfox8715 Claudia belongs in the origin world, she's not part of the "incestry" loop. she doesn't desintegrate

[@diegoaraya6560]

Agree, my only concern is that the origin is just to external to explain the closed loop, it doesn't really break the paradox, instead of explain the subtles changes that could form the loop since the creation of the original time machinne. Also Jonas and Martha should have remain alive as they "existed" away of the timeloop once the go to the original world.

[@jaredjenkins99]

ShiftyGeeza That's fair but I feel like time travelers fixing whatever they had planned to fix and/or erasing the old reality to create a new reality has also been done A LOT. Back to the future, butterfly effect, groundhog day, donnie darko (kinda, it's complicated, and sort of up for interpretation, they all are I guess.) Those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more. But granted there also many examples of closed loops too. I'm just saying I don't think this ending broke time travel convention at all either. That being said I still loved the ending, just personally I would have preferred something that WAN'T "Jonas and Martha cause the accident creating a closed loop" and wasn't "Jonas and Martha sacrifice their two, slightly shittier worlds to save this third, better world". For plot reasons but more importantly for thematic reasons. I don't need to get into that thematic stuff right now, it's a lot, I just think the ending could have been a little stronger plotwise and creativity wise. But like, everything in the Origin world is fucking fantastic.

[@Michael-dt1mv]

Very well argued Pete. I’ve listened to a lot of interpretations, and of course, have my own, but I find this very compelling. Almost all other interpretations are real downer endings. But the creators of the show said in an interview that’s somewhere on You Tube that they particularly did NOT want to have a downbeat ending or one that denied viewers closure. Evidently that was their plan from the outset. They also said there will never be another season because, in their minds, Season 3 wrapped up the story decisively, I have greatly enjoyed your videos by the way; they have sometimes brought to my attention things I missed or misunderstood. I’ve been watching series, especially Sf-themed series for a long time (I’m 71) and consider Dark to be the finest, most thought provoking, dramatically compelling one I’ve ever seen. Thank you so much!!!

[@anshuman120]

From the start they gave us the clue that there are 3 worlds . So I was kind of waiting for the 3rd world And if you look closely ... When tanhause opens the bunker door , it opens to the top But in both the other worlds , the bunker opens to the side . This was the point that gave away everything for me. And when tanhause shows Claudia the photo of his son, that was the 1st I came to know that it might be starting point as no where in the previous 2 seasons we get to know about them .. and since they are shown they have to be related to everything somehow

[@adityadutta985]

Thank you so much Pete. Your voice is so good. It makes people listen more ❤️ Your dedication towards uncovering every unanswered question is amazing 😍

[@AniketPatil-nk1vw]

I think the same. My friend wasn't too satisfied with the ending, and I gave him the same explaination about Claudia that you did. He still isn't sold on it though. I loved the ending.

[@chrisjfox8715]

I'm kinda not sold on Claudia being able to figure it out either. I can accept it to a degree and I get the logic of it, and yes Claudia would definitely have the smarts for it out of anyone...but despite the sound logic it still FEELS like an easy way out for the writers kinda. It's almost like someone figuring out that they know how to get to God. It's like being in a dream and knowing how to awaken the person sleeping - if you're in the dream, you'd have to assume that the rules of the dream world apply to the world of the sleeper...which won't necessarily be true. One of my biggest gripes with the show, despite me liking it, is the way many characters speak with certainty about things that they merely just know in theory and hope for. I wish more of the dialog had been "let's hope this works"/"this seems to be the only thing that makes sense" and less "this is the way things are." Small issue kinda but my immediate reaction to Claudia talking about the origin world was how could she possibly KNOW it.

[@v4v777]

@@chrisjfox8715 It bothers me more that they could be able to meet their younger or their older self and be at the same time and space... than how Claudia figured it out about the Origin World.

[@nets4life377]

V4V Yeah I still don’t understand that scene and why it was put in.

[@GZEUZRG]

1.- From what world was the book? 2.- How Adam get the sphere or who gave it to him?

[@juniorakotshi2132]

Man, your Dark videos are PhD material! Well done!

[@roksi2210]

For me, Marek and Sonja are like the spirit of Martha and Jonas in the origin world. The last scene, when Martha and Jonas look at Marek and Sonja, it felt like it's something there.... At the end, it was because of these two that the accident happened and that the two worlds and time travelling have been created. Their kid (Charlotte), would represent Claudia, the third wheel. Maybe I'm over thinking but Marek is a very similar name to Martha and Sonja (if you turn around the letters, it's Jonas).

[@PetePeppers1]

Yeah, I have seen this theory quite a few times in comments. Seems like a popular notion. It didn't stand out to me, but I will look for it next time I watch the finale.

[@tamimahsan3085]

The whole season 3's theme was the schrewdinger's cat.

[@jpplante7155]

Your videos on Dark and Mr Robot are flawless. Good job!

[@shivangidixit5132]

Tanhause wrote a book about time travel and in both the worlds he was a clock maker, so a clock maker cannot know so much about theoretical physics and paradoxes until he was a physicist in some other world, this might have given Claudia a clue that there's a third world where tanhause is physicist.

[@joluoto]

They needed a "glitch in the matrix" to break the loop, since only something going against the rules of time travel established could break it.

[@Praneettigga]

I don’t think my head would have survived this flood of awesomeness if it wasn’t for you and your channel explaining this show. Thanks man! You’re great never believe anything else😅

[@hillsjason1]

This video is pretty much exactly how I understood the series and the ending. Well put!

[@phatanmahammad1047]

The emotion between Claudia and egon is highlight in this series

[@anushdsouza9632]

I just want to know how she knows exactly, the death of tannhaus sons death and which triggered the time travel

[@markjayson6901]

"While everyone's playing chess, Claudia's here playing checkers." 😂

[@gilgamesh310]

This is a great video. There were a few things I was a bit confused on, but you definitely cleared them up.

[@rustyhardy5371]

My thoughts exactly. You nailed it. I was considering doing a video, explaining this, myself, but you saved me the trouble. I love time travel stories. One of my all time favorites is Chrono Trigger, but this show stole the top spot on my list, because of how believable it all is. Time travel is a sensitive subject for science geeks, but Dark really respected the material.

[@topdata1580]

My guess: The writers of this series are either from the future or an advanced form of human race.

[@topdata1580]

@Black Hole hahah totally agree

[@mossadon]

Careful... calling Germans "An Advanced Race" leads to some very dodgy things. ;)

[@justshorts9293]

While watching the series, I always ask myself, how a human can create such a complex thing. So my guess is your guess is correct.

[@andsonrebello2018]

I have a question. I don't know if you answered it here. I watched the video but I don't think you did. How did Claudia figure out that there's a third origin world, if the infinite versions of her past selves didn't? Why were they not able to figure it out too?

[@iliasmirallas244]

Exactly. And if claudia kept passing on her knowledge to her younger self for years until she put it all together isn't that considered " changing things " ?

[@giuliosimeone9389]

Yeah that's my biggest problem with the series. It only works if she always figures it out and at the same time doesn't, like Martha doing both actions in the apocalypse

[@depressedonion2393]

Claudia's influence over the cycle. Lots of questions here about how Claudia managed to do what she did so here's my two cents! At the end of season 2 Jonas tells Claudia that the older Claudia taught him about making extremely tiny changes to the loop. "Changing a grain of sand" is how he described it. My understanding is that Claudia has spent untold eons making these tiny changes. Each change would be insignificant by itself but still kept track of in the Unknown's leather book that Claudia and Noah are both so fond of. Imagine if you were given a script for a play that burns itself out of existence when the play concludes. This script was written down by someone who attended the play the night before and kept track of everything that was said and done. You are told that you are to perform the play exactly as it's written so that when you get the script for the following night it will be the exact same as the night before. Problem is, you hate this play because it's miserable and horrifying. But there's good news, you've figured out right away that you can change one single letter to the entire script each night and no one will notice. At first your replacements are insignificant and meaningless, maybe even seen as an error or aberration. Nevertheless they get written down and appear in the following evening's script. Eventually, night after night as your changes create new words and eventually brand new sentences, you have started to create an impact on how the play is performed. Eventually you're able to write your characters into completely new situations that have never happened before and therefore create a new ending to the play. My analogy isn't perfect but maybe it helps us understand how Claudia did what she did a little easier?

[@EmpressEmylia]

That's exactly what I'm still wondering about too. During the first 2 seasons the show made it clear that it is impossible to change anything in Adam's and Eva's worlds because everything has already happened; whenever someone thinks they got it all figured out, know how to stop it all, it just leads them to do exactly what is needed to complete the loop. So how could Claudia come up with the right idea if she never had done so before? How could she think it if she had never thought it before?

[@seangabrieltorres5479]

I think they did a similar thing with Happy Death Day 2U... I think Claudia tried to do a trial and error all those past cycles.... Everytime she will die, she will mention it to her past self if this works or not and the loop continues until the exact formula or information is correct

[@iyerbharathi]

What an explanation! Logical and right in front of the eyes !!! Brilliant.. how many times did you watch the trilogy to understand so much

[@tortured74]

This was just what I needed! I had already pretty much come to these same conclusions but they were vague. This video put my thoughts into words that made the concept make sense. Thank you!

[@mehfin]

Great video, I've got two more questions for you: 1. How did Noah travel back in time after his baby daughter was kidnapped? The blackmatter-thing was not stabilized yet, the passage was closed and he didn't have a suitcase-machine. 2. What was Adam "supposed" to do after he would've killed Eva? I mean she said he killed her an infinite number of times (then her younger self finds the body and hates Adam even more), but how would Adam's story have continued if the loop wouldn't have been broken?

[@adiseshu1458]

@mehfin

[@adiseshu1458]

Noah Left Elizabeth just After Her Baby Was Stolen... Yet He Reached Adam in 1920 .. Means 1920+33+33+33+33 = 2052...Exactly The Year When The Older Claudia Tells Stranger Jonas That They've Achieved Stability of The Particle... And Sends Him to Repair the Time Machine to it's Apparatus By giving HG Tanhuses Book To Him... And Thus He Travelled from 2052 to 2019 .. i.e. 2052-33 = 2019 .. And He stayed at Regina's Hotel and so on...

[@adiseshu1458]

You Can Watch The episode 07 51:12 ..

[@adiseshu1458]

Though He left Elizabeth in 2041 Episode 07 at 34:45 .. He started trying to reach Adam.. And Finally He Meet Adam after 11 Years According To His Time Line... The Director only Intimated That Noah Left Elizabeth in Search of His Little Baby... Yet He didn't Time Traveled on The Exact Year /Day of Charlotte's Disappearece...

[@adiseshu1458]

Hope you understood...The Director already showed us the Year of Noah Appearance. i.e., 1920 From That We Have to Decode The Year 2052 ..exactly the year which The Stranger Jonas Was told to Time Travel to repair that Machine..as The God Particle Was Stabilized....which is 33+33+33+33 years From 1920 - The Year Noah Met Adam and His Elderself..

[@bluetobian]

I think Claudia figures it out when she shots her alt self, that moment changes everything and let’s her explore both timelines, and when she sees that her daughter is dead she knows for certain who her daughters father is and thus what’s up

[@TheNitrozwerg]

Brilliant explaination, that clarified so much for me. Thanks for the vid. Honestly I got lost and had a hart time making sense out of everything that happened, but now i realize how it all makes sense and is overall a very vell rounded up show. Amazing show.

[@janechoy2073]

Thank you for this vid. Claudia is my biggest question at the end of the show.

[@GuyWithChainsaw]

This explanation actually makes me like this ending more. It also made me realise how much clues I missed. By the way. Sorry if this is a boring question but does anyone know who is the woman covered in dark substance in the scene where Marta runs through the forest in the first episode of season 3? I have seen someone suggest this is Martha and I see the resemblance but what is she doing there?

[@miguelvaz]

it's Martha herself. I guess it was just a vision , like when Jonas saw Michael in the first season

[@chrisjfox8715]

It was definitely white dress-Martha. But I always chalked it up to just being a vision. At the time, I seem to remember making the connection as to why it was her in a white dress specifically...but I can't remember. I think I was expecting it to be explained later. My overall conclusion about the visions and dreams throughout the show is that there was some type of crosstalk going on between the different worlds.

[@vaish_chavan]

In Adam's world in the very first episode of season 1, Jonas sees another jonas with the black fluid on his face. In Eva's world Martha sees herself with the same thing on her face. I guess it is because the two worlds are mirrors and everything happens similarly. Not the details but overall the effect is quite similar.

[@JBDazen]

I like watching these videos and going through the time lines and family trees. One thing that I didn't like about the show though is that they made it so complicated that, as you're watching, you miss so many of these links and connections, that it's hard to relate to the characters and their motives. We shouldn't need a detailed explanation afterwards to understand the show. Having said that, I think this is a great show to watch again and again to pick up more and more details. A bit like the infinite loop in show itself :-)

[@azcomeazgo]

Wow. Lots of theories in the comments. I just wanted to say this is a very thoughtful analysis. Thank you.

That was a really awesome video. Very satisfactory explanation.

[@ravithriveni592]

Tannahus wanted his to bring his family back, so he invented time machine. So does Claudia wanted her daughter Regina to live and she found the solution.

[@ShadoW_isles]

But Claudia finding about the origin world should happen in every cycle.. if not then what was unique in the last cycle?

[@matthieubeley620]

Im following that.. The most important question

[@fromlostdays863]

I'm by no means any kind of expert but this question implies that the cycles and time are linear. That they begin and end and begin again. That you could perhaps count the number of cycles that had passed. Instead, think of it like every moment is happening an infinite number of times with no beginning or end. In that sense Claudia changed the outcome of both the last cycle AND the first. Until she gave time a linear direction by using the divergence (correctly) there was no past or future so in a sense she did find out about the origin world in every cycle but that didnt matter until she changed it. (I swear this made sense in my head) haha. TLDR: Because the cycles were infinite Claudia was able to change the outcome of every cycle including the first one.

[@ShadoW_isles]

@@fromlostdays863 She should change in every cycle. TLDR: If that's true then it is a bigger cycle which includes the ending also. Will there be a season 4?

[@ShadoW_isles]

@@fromlostdays863 There is another mystery though about the actual grand daughter of H.G Thannhous. After the accident her body was never found. Was she traveled and got married to Heinrich Tannhous (can't say). If that's true then there should be one loop remains in the origin world (But after the fix can't say what happens as there will be no accident).

[@fromlostdays863]

The story was told in a linear way which was deceptive. Instead of infinity it might easier to just think of it like there was only really 1 cycle and it ended when Claudia ended it. As for the character questions I am also at a loss haha

[@Lucsy3012]

I like your explaination, makes a lot of sense. Especially in regards of the Schröder's Cat theory that we as viewers even learn about prior to the ending.

[@Drantico]

I paused the video like 20 times, but i understand now. Thanks!

[@vahajqureshi]

To me it only makes sense when we consider it all to be a part of a much wider loop in which every event takes place. How can we possibly reduce it to a single reality when all the events needed to happen in the way they did for Martha and Jonas to end up saving Tannhaus' family?

[@verycoldhardybles790]

Exactly

[@milton7763]

In German “nie” means never. Niewald could either be a reference to him never having been in the woods to begin with (“Wald” in German means woods) Or it could be a reference to the Kahn_wald_ family (how there isn’t a link) Or.... it could mean nothing

[@milton7763]

Here I was listening to the voice on this video and thinking: “I know that voice!”. I look at the name Pete Peppers and suddenly realize: this is the guy whose twin peaks the return videos I would always watch after each episode! Great work yet again Pete! It wasn’t quite clear to me what they were trying to signal with the exhibit of the Schrödinger’s Cat thought experiment other than just spring some quantum mechanics on the viewer with only a loose connection to the show. Your theory makes sense and it explains the ‘corner’ in the ‘time gate’ Jonas and Martha pass when crossing over to the origin world. It could be the crossover point in the loop. Note also how each sees a vision of the other watching them as a child (in a closet). I think this too represents an observation collapsing the probability wave of their potential futures and actually brings them into a potential (now actual) state if the origin world. That in fact suggests that there may be two potential states in the origin world as well with the other being them causing the accident. This would bring back the bigger loop idea but with a possibility (with a probability) that things don’t work out as before