DARK SOULS 3 ► 10 Worst Spells to Use

[@introducinggod8572]

“This starter fireball isn’t good in the late game.” Ah yes, I see that the floor continues to be floor

[@C4lmaria]

It could at least be FP efficient, as are the basic soul arrow spells. IE: I started to run late game spells on my mage, until i made the math and couldnt beat gael with soul spears. I was confident in my rolls against him, so just went back to good ol'heavy soul arrows for instead of more ashen flasks

[@RobinButButter]

IntroducingGod yah this man who made this vid doesn't seem to know what he's doing, he used the profaned flame and said it doesn't do any damage when he showed it does good damage

[@momento5797]

This is his opinion, he says least favorite before the fireball, it’s the internet everyone has their opinion and everyone plays the game their own way, just cause you might be a hardcore souls players doesn’t mean he is too

[@dirt_3723]

Ah yes, as you start as pyromancer the game casually gives you the chaos bed vestiges

[@nathanjora7627]

ThatStrange Cinderace Well... Considering the poor tracking and long cast time of this spell, I’d say it indeed does little damage. It’s a high risk medium reward spell, in other words (« high risk » = you have more than decent chances of missing your enemy even if he isn’t running like a madman because of how long it takes to cast and how poor the tracking is). The reward ain’t that bad, but it’s not worth the effort. Hence, it’s a bad reward. It’s a bit like the opposite of crystal soul spear, which is low risk and monstrous damages, making it f*ckig broken, in PVE at least.

[@rickkhemai1443]

every time i use way of the white corona, i yell "Destructo Disk" to make it more fun to use

[@joshuaperry2426]

LMAOO😂

[@bigsmooth8276]

Why r u even using it?

[@mattc8196]

You have just become legend! Lol

[@rickkhemai1443]

@@bigsmooth8276 to get the DBZ feeling in a souls game

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

Miracle builds _are_ about equally as effective as Krillin is in combat.

[@BruttiF27]

Complaining about fireball in dark souls is basically like complaining about Tackle in pokémon. It's the basic attack you always replace with something better.

[@FerunaLutelou]

Same for the dart spells

[@RuneKatashima]

And it's still better than Farron Dart in every way.

[@FerunaLutelou]

@@RuneKatashima dart is not really a damage dealing spell... It exists for convinience. It costs almost no FP so you can use it to finish off an enemy that doesnt have much hp left from a safe distance. Or use it to lead one of the enemies away from the group. Basically its like most cantrips in DnD, not intended to cause a lot of damage directly, but extremely useful. Fireball on the other hand is just a basic attack. Its not good or bad, its just fine.

[@goingcracysfan]

OY its suck i prefer struggle in most cases

[@openyoureyes1985]

This dude was shitting on Fireball while using it on a fire-resistant CORVIAN KNIGHT.

[@DmitryAvenicci]

Top10 useless spells: *shows best spells* *uses ordinary staff for dark spells*

[@Phantom_of_Black]

Also uses Lifehunt Scythe with the Saint's Talisman while calling it a worse version of Soul Greatsword even though it's one of only 2 melee-ranged spells which can be poise-casted (lightning stake).

[@erndeche1475]

@@Phantom_of_Black I mean, you can poise cast any of the ranged miracles at melee range too, technically.... To be fair, Lifehunt Scythe is potentially pretty good for PvE, but it's so slow you'll never, ever hit anyone with it in PvP unless you're trading into some massive, slow weapon that will be hitting you 2-3x as hard.

[@chocolatecrud]

@@Phantom_of_Black sunlight spear is meant as a melee spell

[@Phantom_of_Black]

@@chocolatecrud Well no, if it was meant to be a melee spell it wouldn't be thrown now would it. It's just used in melee range because it deals the most damage and can still be poise-casted.

[@aproposracer855]

chocolatecrud yous right

[@monadoguy3386]

“Great Chaos Fire Orb is the only good orb pyromancy” Chaos Bed Vestiges would like to have a word with you

[@blasterman1000]

In PvE yes. In PvP it's a crutch that needs additional pressure or can otherwise be fairly simple to roll through. Plus, it's so used that everyone who sees you have out a pyromancy catalyst will expect it coming and be ready to roll it. The GCFO applies an additional utility which is somewhat redeeming for the cast time of the orb spells. Granted, it's great to see Forbidden Sun (It's a returning spell from DS2 under a new name) have more than *exactly one* spellcast but honestly, it's not the uncontested king of the fireballs in DS3 like it was in DS2, there is some competition and not just for reasons of number of casts.

[@themambawarrior2290]

@@blasterman1000 I have a bunch of casters in DS2, but one thing they have in common is that they have enough intelligence to equip Soul Arrow. This is because, on PC, DS2 has an exploit that allows for a spell to have the same number of uses as another spell, and equipping more of the second spell increases the uses of the first spell. So, on PC, I can get Forbidden Sun to have 150 casts without hacking or modifying the game's files.

[@blasterman1000]

@@themambawarrior2290 I know, I use it regularly. That being said however, going from purely a design standpoint where no such glitch exists to say, adjust the FP cost of a spell so that CBV only costs the same as farron dart (the lesser one) or do the same with GCFO it's not really a relevant thing. Design wise, CBV gave up a little of its inherent power to allow more casts when compared to Forbidden Sun, which allows GCFO to at least remain competitive.

[@monadoguy3386]

I totally agree with your point about PvP. Any “orb” spells are kinda shit in PvP, and even C.V.B.’s ring of fire doesn’t do shit against enemies who know how to move.

[@blasterman1000]

@@monadoguy3386 By themselves no, they don't get much done. That being said the orb spells aren't really "shit" so much as they are just unreliable. You can free aim them on retreating players etc. like you would a fire bomb, and it pays dividends in mid range. The big problem with the orbs is that you often need to combo them with some other source of stagger in order to connect. It's a common problem for all spells but the fire orb spells especially suffer from that because they take more time to cast and allow more time for reaction. The problem with them isn't the damage, I mean hell you said it the *ring* from CBV is shitty against players who know how to move. But, against a player who A) Hasn't learned the timing or misses an input or b) has been staggered by something else near enough the time of impact it's fucking amazing damage to be sure. It's a trade off, and not the worst one I could personally imagine, but the game got faster with each installment and it just didn't keep up as well.

[@h-disconnected6612]

As someone who often runs pure pyromancy builds, I'm gonna have to HARD disagree with the profaned flame. The profaned flame isn't a chaos bed vestige. So stop using it like one. Use it to zone and force people into getting hit by other attacks. It's timing allows you to pair it with other attacks extremely well.

[@sonicsucks2961]

But why use profane flame when chaos bed also is used for zoning also allowing people to roll into you so you can roll catch them

[@Shin_FTW]

@@sonicsucks2961 Because Profaned Flame isn't blocked by the environment, and CBV is wide and can clip stuff a lot. Also, Profaned Flame costs less FP. CBV is very damaging and costly, so you wanna use it to deal guaranteed damage after you've properly zoned your opponent to get hit by it. Also Profaned Flame has really good knockback, so hitting someone with it can knock them off a ledge or put them into a position for you to followup with something. Having used a pyromancer, it's always one of the ones I have on me because of its utility. It's great for blasting something that you don't have direct l.o.s. with in PvE as well. I also never found its damage to be that bad.

[@h-disconnected6612]

@@sonicsucks2961 run both. Put down a profaned, then rollcatch with the chaos. With pure pyromancy you gotta do a bit better than just spamming the same spell over and over.

[@True_Perfection]

H-Disconnected Error it’s also good for a yoshikage Kira build

[@Alexb0y99]

Its also good because it knocks people to the ground

[@SonicoPlatiumSlime]

>Putting Fire Ball as the Top 1 worst spell Are you actually serious?

[@honorguard7616]

unexperienced as much ,but why ya ask if he is serious?

[@frogg5368]

@@honorguard7616 because the fireball is a beginning level pyromancy. Compared to all the other ones, yeah it's bad but it wasn't made to be the best and certainly isn't the worst

[@SonicoPlatiumSlime]

@@frogg5368 ^ Not to mention that Fireball is great for his purpose: Having a Pyromancy that carry to the Pyromancy Trainer. It's not meant for endgame, which this guy doesn't have a clue since he used it against enemies that got high fire resistence. I could barely give a pass about using the wrong catalist for spells, like SG or Affinity, but this is just the icing on top on the shit cake that is this "Top 10". Sorry for being rude, but come on, if you want to do a Top 10 List, use the actual tools, the actual builds and some fucking common sense.

[@hahndogg5540]

Its great at what its supposed to do.Get through the start till u can get access to better ones

[@ncrranger3299]

Thanks you ruined it for me I was waiting for #1 worst spell

[@LordYharim]

11:18 "discover some gameplay hacking" yeah, like using a dark talisman for dark miracles

[@megashark1013]

The whole point of the fireball is that it's very effective in the early game, but is outclassed by superior versions later on in the game! Your criticism is exactly what it's intended to be for!

[@rhubarbman2425]

You clearly don't understand much about the game. Affinity isn't really for damage. It's slower for a reason. Its obvious dodge time means you can either roll catch or combo with a spell. Soul greatsword is also good as a spell alone, but it's great with the heysel pick.

[@tewigaming2537]

Right? I use both affinity and Soul Greatsword in PvP

[@lordkane8583]

i wouldnt really take any advice from someone who uses the same character for all spells and a normal staff for dark magic

[@Dubious_Neon]

I get where he’s coming from but I’ve walked most of the game with a dark/magic build and a miracle build (including PVP), and used a fair few of these, especially affinity. Affinity does reasonable damage with a build centred around getting the most out of it and allows you to easily predict a roll into either dark edge or whatever melee weapon you want to use

[@nitemayr131]

Affinity does good ass damage what you mean isnt for damage? I catch people with it all the time, probably due to latency but it does about 800 dmg on its own

[@Salocinist]

*tO be fair YoU have to have a pretty high Iq to unDerstand Ds*

[@erndeche1475]

*Uses witchtree branch to cast Soul GS* *Cries about it doing poor damage.*

[@sergiokaminotanjo]

hes a casual dude, you can see it one mile away.

[@silenceundying]

You know the mage counter? An ultra greatsword, the magic stoneplate +2, high strength, and even 1% determination. Makes them shit themselves to see their magic builds hit as hard as a sick toddler

[@ShinoharaMiyu]

It's honestly really funny listening to how edgy this guy is about how caaaaaaaaaancerous shit is when you don't even know how to play it... like, what the fuck?

[@introducinggod8572]

DragonKing9500 the problem is that this isn’t really portrayed as shitposting or satire. Most of the time, you can tell when someone’s shitposting. But this guy genuinely seems to be mad about most of these spells.

[@torvamessorem6686]

He also doesn't use Crown of Dusk. I'm wondering if he has 40 INT and sorcery boosting rings on.

[@sadcookie4244]

"but the soul arrow, at a point in time actually becomes good and evolves into better spells down the line." So the fireball doesn't evolve into fire orb then black fire orb/great chaos orb then into the chaos bed vestiges?

[@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong]

What? A _starter spell_ not being good in late game? Next you're gonna tell me that I'll want to replace my starter weapon too! *MADNESS*

[@edgelord7748]

Except longsword

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

@@edgelord7748 And the twin curved swords (or whatever they're called).

[@Callumreid2005]

Hermon the great sellsword twinblades?

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

@@Callumreid2005 Thank you, yes. Their names slipped my mind at the moment.

[@JamKyt9]

If your a knight or sellsword it’s sometimes good to keep those weapons if your doing dex or twink

[@zenixkiryu]

*puts affinity on the list* Me with my murky staff: "Shhh it's ok he didn't mean it"

[@jensdanbolt6953]

Suggestion for revised title: "10 Spells that I don't know how actually works or don't fit my playstyle". - It takes a very closed mind to put Fireball at #1 worst spell. In fact it is an excellent spell that does exactly what it's meant to: Provide the starting Pyromancer with a low-cost, efficient and non-overpowered fireball to use and upgrade from. - You really should learn how to build for dark spells you listed; Lifehunt Scythe and Affinity. That means choosing the right catalyst and attributes for it, which you are not. They're still not near top tier, but they don't belong in the "trash" category with Emit Force and the Corona. - Farron Dart and Soul Greatsword are OK for duels. The dart for following up after tears of denial and providing pressure on the opponent to approach, and the Greatsword works in combination with other spellswords: If you're just using one, the timing will be predictable, so it's important to mix up the faster and slower ones with this one in order to throw off the opponents spacing and roll timing. It's a viable, although not very good, build for duels, and Soul Greatsword is part of the package. There are better options to both (shivs and physical weapon builds), but they're not trash. - Seek Guidance is great for casual players who just want to experience the game; It allows them to see hints and summon a friend without being invaded by tryhards in PvP gear. I might occasionally be that tryhard, and enjoy a surprise invasion on my third character, but that's not everyone. It's super lame to tab out of the game to look up a Wiki or walkthrough, the signs are much more immersive. This is THE spell to get for anyone who wants to immerse themselves in the story, get some help integrated in the game itself, and play through the game singleplayer. It changes the game experience, and therefore I consider it one of the best designed spells.

[@cuteerebos2155]

Also, Affinity is the best Sorcery in PVP, just a little useless PVE

[@Mare_Man]

I discovered yesterday that Way of White Corona is actually *really* good against large/slow moving targets. As in, putting out 900+ damage with a +6 Saint Talisman at 60 faith, *per cast.* Not bad at all for 15 fp.

[@L4sket]

This. Although it is still pretty hard to pull off a SGS attack successfully even combined with the farron spellsword. Doesn't make it better that you can actually get parried with those, so a connection might only happen once if the enemy is able to adapt and then it'll be risky.

[@Shadic24367]

If he hasn't read your comment yet he should, and if he has and ignored it, I'm sad

[@InfiniteGreninja]

You can summon without being embered with Seek Guidance?

[@sorenjensen3863]

Soul Greatsword is actually Great at roll catching in pvp. Especially in conjunction with farron flashsword

[@greedsin555]

true combos from a haysel pick r1 to for very good damage

[@marvynkawano3090]

Of course, and also, most of the good caster players don’t even use haysel pick, it's that good. I'm not sayng it wouldn't be better, I'm just sayng u don't need it to have a good time in pvp

[@stuartthiesson4228]

And it stuns a player opening up a safe r1 spam

[@colossusslayer1234]

yeah but pvp doeant really matter lol

[@sorenjensen3863]

@@colossusslayer1234 pvp is why the game is still going strong...

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

10: Actually a bad spell. probably the worst Pyromancy that isn't supposed to be replaced by something better 9: This thing is great...when used in conjunction with the Heisel Pick. R1 R2 (Cast Soul Greatsword/Old Moonlight) is a true combo. I suppose you could use it with other Melee weapons, I guess. but the Heisel pick has enough hitstun to True Combo. 8: a cheaper alternative to Lightning Spear at the point of the game you'd get it. quickly replaced by better miracles later on. with Binoculars, it can be used as a trolling too, but at that point, just Poise-cast Force near a ledge. 7: Requires a VERY dedicated build to get any damage. this goes for all the Dark-Element Spells/Pyros/Miracles. you need a specific Catalyst (Izalith Staff, Cathia's Chime, Demon Scar), 45 INT and 45 FAI to max the scaling, and the Blindfold Mask, appropriate damage boosting rings, and Dark Clutch ring. you CAN get past 1000 damage with these Dark Spells, but...yanno. just use Great Soul Dregs? it's bigger, costs less, and doesn't split its damage amongst multiple projectiles? 6: They delete big bosses that don't move much. so basically none of them. fuck all 3 of these spells. just use Chaos Vestiges. 5: this is supposed to be replaced by Great Farron Dart. both are terrible, but they DO have niche application in PVP. ya see, most people invest 10 Faith and enough ATT for 2 spell slots for a thing called "Tears of Denial", which pops on a fatal blow, leaving you with 1 HP. sorcerers will use dart in place of the Guardian Shiv because it's cheaper and still does enough damage (more than 1) to kill a player who's tears have popped. though Shivs track the opponent a bit more than darts at the same fire-rate, so...yeah... 4: see #7. it does have the benefit of fucking deleting bosses for real though. it's more useful in PVE with a Sunless Talisman though (Poise-Casting) since you can use it in place of Estus. I think it can be used like a Soul Greatsword in PVP with a Sage Ring +2, but don't quote me on that. more research is necessary. still requires a VERY dedicated build. 3: this spell is a literal joke. don't use it. ever. we should have gotten Gael's 5-Way shot version from his Boss Soul. especially if it did multiple return trips like in the boss fight. that would have been RAD. 2: I was convinced this spell didn't do anything. thank you for confirming it. 1: I don't think about spells that are designed to be replaced with blatantly better versions of itself. so. oof.

[@hydestein6959]

Sage's ring doesn't help it, I did a dark miracle/ bleed build, using it and the gnaw miracles in pvp, did decent, got some decent hate mail, but easily counterable.... Vow of silence

[@hydestein6959]

Talking about lifehunt scythe there sorry

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

@@hydestein6959 yeah, I kinda expected Vow of Silence to shut any Spell build down. I was thinking of whether or not you could use the Rose of Ariandel like the Heisel Pick and R1R2 with it, but thank you for confirming it's just too slow for that. RIP. plus. Dark Miracles just don't work outside of Cathia's Chime or Sunless Talisman. shame.

[@hydestein6959]

Welcome, and ik it sucks, honestly dark sorcery/spellsword builds are much better, or harder to deal with, sage's crystal staff buffed any dark spell cast with the izalith staff is gonna hit like a truck

[@mythshark409]

farron dart can be used to stop healing, wowc is an amazing counter to turtles, the profaned flame can move an opponent into an a good position for a follow-up, and the piller spells can be used for suprise attacks in tight spaces

[@Neirean]

I think your lists are controversially received, in spite of their meme values, because they come off as poorly researched. For example, the poor choice of staff, the lack of build context, the ignorance of context of when a spell can be found in the stage of the game to describe spells that *can* be good as bad... just comes off crass. The ranking of fireball in this list is especially egregious. Yes, your ranking of church servants/gravekeepers in your hardest Bloodborne enemies list is seared into my mind, being that they are the easiest enemy to parry in the game... these may be single entries in a list, but even ranking them drags down the content quality in general.

[@lindthechaoticheretic8708]

Hey Rusty... I Want To Play A Game. Set your matchmaking password to "10worstspells" and tell people to invade you using only those spells. There, I just made a video for you.

[@Rusty._]

I actually kinda like this idea.

[@kaarpiv375]

10 Worst Spells: The Rebuttal

[@jacobgreaney2809]

@@Rusty._ it would be a good idea if you actually put the 10 worst spells to use in this list

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

I'd totally join in if just to prove that Soul Greatsword/Old Moonlight isn't as bad as Rusty thinks it is. it just needs some help from the Heisel Pick :D

[@Dakta96]

He is gonna get fucked though

[@M.g16300]

"Great Chaos Flame Orb is the only good orb Spell" Dark Spirit "Black Flame Orb" Invaded!!!

[@iota-09]

That thing rips through shields like they're made of frikkin paper.

[@thegamingillustrator]

I personally love the fire ball spell as a charge punish. The enemy always drops their guard to sprint at me. Easy punish for 2 hits then a roll.

[@JoyBoy0606]

Also chaos bed vestige

[@s.e.n3264]

Bruh... the Soul Greatsword spell is actually really good when done right. But most people are casuals.

[@razylym3224]

Like rusty

[@silenceundying]

It's good if the user doesn't die in two hits from my strength build. That and you can stack a magic stone plate +2 and speckled stone plate +1 with a blue bug pellet. Ever see a Csp hit for less than a quarter of your current max health?

[@aymansaleh7019]

Maaaan Did you even play Dark Souls 3?!!! Soul Greatsword is a big roll catch after 2 hits of the Flash Sword Affinity basically does around 1000 damage in pvp if U have a dark magic build at SL120 & I still see a lot of players who screw up the roll to get hit in the face with 1000 damage Farron Dart is basically the best way to finish that little bit of HP remaining after U hit someone with a Crystal Soul Spear + it’s really good after popping someone’s tears, especially at higher levels where everyone invests in faith just for that spell Hidden weapon could really miss up your opponent the first 2 hits & if you use a big weapon with poise like the Great Mace for example, it could be really useful Iron Flesh is just a monster when paired with the twin dagers You can quick step to move fast & get out of attacks & spam the sh!+ out of someone, + if u have a buff on the twin daggers, it’s basically 1 of the best builds in pvp Soulstream could also be useful at really long rang, you can aim with your binoculars & hit someone for ridiculous damage Fire ball is a spell Really good against the first boss & it could even last until you beat the tree boss with really good damage

[@mwperk02]

Dunno why he put fireball at most useless. All the Starter Spells get replaced. Soul Arrows have the Great soul arrow Variants, heal Has medium and then great heal, And Force has Wrath of the Gods.

[@aymansaleh7019]

Mathew Perkins Exactly Those spells are just not meant to be useful late game

[@whatwentwrong369]

He isn't thinking critically. Most spells he listed down, he hasn't applied to the situations their actually supposed to be used for. Most of the spells he pointed out were used as stand alone spells rather than the proper cog in the machine type of spell their supposed to be used as.

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

Miracle Builds Shall not deal Damage -Miyazaki, probably

[@Zerum69]

Lighting arrow & Darkmoon Blade: No U

[@astalouroboros2955]

Lightning blade: YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE

[@rebelraccoon9594]

@@Zerum69 dark souls 2 wrath of gods being overpowered cos miyazaki wasn't there

[@luciosterferson3797]

Sunlight Spear sends her regards

[@PACR66]

Sunlight spear is great to trade against any weapon.

[@dayduhh]

Saw soul greatsword on the list, wheezed, went back to hentai

[@razylym3224]

Absolute lad

[@MrMuggles]

I love how he missed half of the utility of Seek Guidance. Not trying to say it's fantastic or owt, but you do need to remember that it also reveals summon signs when you aren't embered. This is good for people who don't want to run around embered but want help at a boss fight, so they know if they will get help if they use their ember there

[@greataperider6036]

I was playing through the game with a friend and I thought the same thing untill I realized nope it dosent, but would be a bit broken if it did

[@Romino98]

Seek guidance let's you summon without being embered and only takes 12 faith. It's cool for new players. It also helps you find summon signs ... Not saying it's great but it has uses.

[@ShitSmirk]

Thats cool.Never knew that

[@canaldeumdesucupadoaleator853]

y know, the point o fire ball is to be weak and be replaced by stronger pyromances you cant expect the firt spell to be good for the entirely of the game

[@matthewcoyle4131]

The first spell is great in most Dark Souls games. It usually has a higher number of casts and you can equip like 3 uses of it early on so that it basically replaces you melee as your main attack.

[@ragnerschwarzmane3412]

But the straitsword remains powerful for the entire game and while there are better variants of it‘s kind very early on, it always stays as a no investment secondary for soccers, miracle users and pyromancers. So here we DO have a beginners weapon that is a stupid strong Allrounder. While the fireball is still just bad.

[@remito7839]

@@ragnerschwarzmane3412 That's because straight swords in general are just stupidly strong in DS3. And we aren't talking about weapons we are talking about spells. Soul Arrow is the same as fire orb, a bad spell intended to be swapped out for great soul arrows and later soul spears.

[@DronesOverTheMoon]

Then its a bad spell?

[@azure98]

"Ive made mage characters out my god damn ass" ...you'll have to forgive my skepticism on that.

[@MayHugger]

Just because you’re experienced with something, doesn’t mean you’re knowledgeable about it lol.

[@fooyloopy]

I don't think you know how builds or dark souls works

[@sramyk6838]

I do agree with you

[@gucci9302]

Dude this video is so pointless and triggering

[@leoortiiiz]

@@arnoldSwollenmember imagine talking about being pathetic, but you waste your time offending someone because they wrote a youtube comment you disagree with

[@Blueberry_Shortcake01]

@@arnoldSwollenmember And now you have taken your very important time to reply back. You were waiting for it weren't you ;)

[@gravewalker3868]

@@arnoldSwollenmember bruh

[@Saitouy]

"Seek Guidance" shows you if someone put a sign without using an ember

[@raddrew42]

doesn't work for white signs though, so it's still pretty useless if you need an npc summon but don't have an ember

[@DronesOverTheMoon]

Don't work for signs in any way

[@chrispeterson9447]

I’ve seen people get wrecked by profaned flame in PvP, great as a wake up punish or to force rolls.

[@thewulf777]

I really hope your joking about 90% of these. Your using the worst catalysts/talismans that are obviously minimum requirements and/or unupgraded. Lifehunt scythe is pretty bad but you can maximize it to around 900 average against players, 1200 in pve which increases its healing by a bit and makes it a good trading tool, if your not trading with a giant buffed sword. Your completely right about fireball though. its fp cost looks low but its quite possibly the most inefficient spell in the game, next to the crystal soul spear.

[@Mare_Man]

I discovered yesterday that Way of White Corona is actually *really* good against large/slow moving targets. As in, putting out 900+ damage with a +6 Saint Talisman at 60 faith, *per cast.*

[@thewulf777]

@@Mare_Man oh easily. all spells in ds3 are viable in pve, but I only really pvp nowadays. if you know the range on the corona very well, you can use it to block doors and such, and if people try to run through it they usually get hit 1-3 times. sometimes even catches them trying to roll through it. otherwise it serves no purpose in pvp. in pve I have pushed it further then sunlight spear melee hits with all the available buffs (rose, banner, sacred oath, flynns etc) and it shreds large enemies.

[@Mare_Man]

@@thewulf777 900+ damage on fast spell that only costs 15 fp? Yes please!

[@FerunaLutelou]

Fireball is a beginner level spell, its not meant to be good, its not meant for the end game, and it is ESPECIALLY not meant to be used on enemies with HIGH FIRE RESISTANCE! Its like complaining that a normal dagger sucks in the end game.

[@davidparker8978]

Soul great sword is useless in pvp MKAY! WHAT

[@WeepNoMoreMyLove]

Hmmm...

[@silenceundying]

Magic stone plate +2, speckled stone plate +1, and a blue bug pellet. All 3 stack and ruin every mage build so completely that I've upset many people will how simple counters are.

[@introducinggod8572]

Silence Undying Have you just gone around and posted this build on every comment talking about the Soul Greatsword? My dude, the build ain’t worth that much advertisement.

[@silenceundying]

Please explain to me how 2 rings and a consumable item makes a build. You might be projecting a little too much there.

[@MrHatchiFuto86]

Ive lost count at how many times ive been caught by soul GS

[@AndruSouls]

Affinity and Farron Dart are good tho. Dark damage can also be boosted w the DLC mask and Farron Dart is a throwing knife with better tracking and more damage

[@nanderlizernanderlizer684]

probably a good idea to get good before you advise people on the game

[@x8yrsofownage303]

facts

[@ezopp5600]

Yep

[@doommuncher]

Probably something Shakespeare once said.

[@silenceundying]

If getting good means using a preset build with the standard things people use because they aren't good (Csp builds, Cbv builds, Havel and ringed ultragreatswords, etc), then I'll stick to dropping ganks with real skill. It's funny how everyone says to get good, but they really mean use the typical builds you see in Pontiff invasions.

[@noah9942.]

@@silenceundying nah, we mean to not complain about damage when using terrible catalysts for certain spells.

[@DIHVLD]

“There’s nothing even slightly redeeming about this thing” you talking about the fireball or this video?

[@hiimadog2594]

I think the video.

[@aggresivcanadian1266]

sPEll BaD Big SWorD GoOd

[@DemoniteBL]

FiLtHy CaStErS

[@hateprophet6093]

Spoken like a true Nord.

[@chrisbilodeau8536]

His character is not that well built to use any of these spells... I've been able to nearly two shot people with the Lifehunt Scythe, for example

[@hermitcard4494]

Fireball is a starting pyromancy, and like every start object: it's not supposed to outclass anything. Even so, Fireball is by far more useful than the rest of the spells you mentioned.

[@vampyrickiller909]

Hey rusty. Love ya. But stay on overwatch. Because us souls veterans are just gonna be blowing this comment section up with reasons as to why you are so very very wrong.

[@thejokerjokes7638]

CreepypastaDemon I never played a dark souls game and I just finished my first time with bloodborne and I don’t know much about the soul series but this list seems like a pod of bullshit

[@alexfoudraine5886]

@@thejokerjokes7638 yes

[@IzanamisBurden]

No, man, fun is an upgradable stat in the menu! Its just under the name "faith".

[@masquerade3852]

My guy fireball is the starter. What do you expect it to do, 1 hit yhorm?

[@shr1mpsush1]

I bet you could 1 hit Yhorm, valiant Warrior of Sunlight

[@alecetym6246]

Does yhorm have the most HP?

[@tanderk1059]

Blue tbh I can’t remember but it’s either yhorm, midir, Gael, or the demon prince but I think it’s midir.

[@kyukhan]

@@alecetym6246 Yhorm does not have the most HP but he has the highest resistance, by a long shot

[@reble_uwu3405]

I mean....

[@evanarmstrong3042]

"I can think of nothing redeeming about this spell." *Montage of spell killing enemies"

[@nathanjora7627]

Evan Armstrong You can kill the asylum demon with your broken straightsword in DS1, it doesn’t mean there is anything redeemable about this weapon. I mean, except what you can get out of it in Anor Londo that is.

[@silly-rm7ub]

@@nathanjora7627 Well yeah, obviously, broken straight sword is overpowered as fuck. What *couldn't* you kill with that thing?

[@geld1620]

profaned flame is god tier bait in duels. people get so cocky and roll into it, only to meet three chaos infused harald curved great sword swipes to the face. death.

[@geld1620]

@Sonic ASMR fun

[@Jeremy-lh3lg]

Bursting fire ball is actually pretty decent, all the other ‘fire ball’ spells are ridiculously easy to dodge, with bursting fireball you really have to try to miss...

[@iota-09]

Yup, bursting and gcfo are pretty good when free-aimed though, abd black fireball is good against turtles, but beyond that, the only decent one is cbv which is decent against fire-weak bosses(e.g. nameless king) Then there's seething chaos and profaned flame which only work in pvp arena.

[@ariannadravis3934]

@@iota-09 I disagree on bursting, though that might be my playstyle.

[@brianwallace2038]

As a Strength user, I always add Fireball to my build because of its low requirements and usage as a range attack. I've definitely never used it for damage tho

[@TheSteve5154]

The corona miracle got it's revenge for being on this list.

[@heyguacamole4692]

The way of white corona got buffed. Now the entire world is scared of it

[@DIHVLD]

Come back to us when you learn how to use the spells you’re complaining about effectively, yea?

[@x8yrsofownage303]

The0neEyed0wI facts

[@kokutennsh8899]

Chill no need to be a dick

[@sircrumpetiii2177]

Krishna Aditya You’re right about him being realistic but it was definitely not necessary.

[@sircrumpetiii2177]

Krishna Aditya Yeah, I can totally agree with you on that and I hate metas more than anything when it comes to online games, I just kinda thought the comment was a little less “constructive” than it could’ve been but other than that I agree with you.

[@DragonKing9500]

You know he's doing this to shitpost and annoy people...right?

[@xentarlion1203]

If you're here in this comment section looking for another opinon about those 10 spells with some more info then here you have it. 10) Profaned Flame is 100% Shit. 9) Soul Greatsword is a good spell , nice damage and range for a melee and if you use heysel pick with enough casting speed , you can combo R1 into Soul Greatsword. It's usually a more defensive spell in PvP. 8) Emit Force is just a troll miracle. 7) Affinity compared to the Homing Soulmass has a lower travel speed but has better chase/and for longer. Has amazing damage when used with THE RIGHT CATALYST (Izalith Staff / Murky Longstaff). Another thing to understand is that Dark spells scale with Int and Faith like pyromancies , even if it's a dark miracle or dark sorcery. 6) Only real use is in PvE and usually are not great. Lighting Storm is the real deal for AoE spells. 5) Farron Dart is bad because it has a direct upgrade with better damage. Great Farron Dart is good for poke/annoying or finishing a low HP player. 4) This thing does BIG DAMAGE with the right catalyst , because like Affinity , it deals Dark damage. Use Sunless Talisman for the job and poise cast with it , It will heal you based on spell buff and it will deal a lot of damage. , really great for trading. 3) Another troll miracle. 2) This is just ridiculous lmao. 1) It's probably the best starting spell in the game because of how easy you can kill pus of man (fast titanite shard) and also explode several barrels close to enemies. It has good damage against the first 2 bosses.

[@kpando4952]

Holy shit, there's magic in this game.

[@idwiw-8767]

Nah mate

[@telponox1174]

Thats incredible i did not even know that!

[@ltsalte9200]

Hey miracles aren't that bad in this game (I think I haven't played in a year)

[@bronzekilla]

@@ltsalte9200 holy frick your wrong, I'm sorry

[@ltsalte9200]

@@bronzekilla what you mean, they have pretty nice buffs with deep protection and blessed weapon

[@shad0rach5]

you clearly havent touched all spells

[@marvynkawano3090]

Oh my Gwyn, my man please go play some pvp with SOME of these spells, just try it

[@j3throbodine878]

marvyn kawano he prolly don’t play pvp

[@mangodango1733]

Said oh my gwyn fuckin dead

[@liver1865]

"It does around similar damage to the way of white Corona miracle..." Did NOT age well

[@ddm_gamer]

What do you mean? This game hasnt been updated in 3 years the damage hasnt changed

[@logicalwren8061]

@@ddm_gamer Corona got a buff

[@PizzaFrix]

Farron dart... Ok you don't play pvp I got it... A 60 int mage with farron dart can easelly stop any your movement or cast bcz is very fast and do a decent cheap damage. They can easelly kill you just being passive with that and oh ...combo with affinity... Bcz is slow... They can cast that stuff and run in you with a straight sword or great sword (if you miss the roll you will be hit from something and is not that easy) or use a farron dart to do the same trick

[@yeastofthoughtsmind9623]

Bro that never works. All you have to do to counter is backpeddle and roll at the proper time. Or just use a shield with high magic def. Mage builds are a joke in PvP. Unless a GSA comes from off screen and hits you, a mage has like no chance. Every interaction with a mage in PvP has just been me dodging until they run out of blue estus or figure out they'll never hit me with magic and switch to a real weapon. The only real use for farron dart is hitting for that last 1 dmg after someone uses tears of denial. Any reactive player that is even marginally familiar with this game will see your affinity×farron dart strategy coming from miles away. In summary, if you actually feel like beating any decent player in PvP, do yourself a favor and skip the mage build.

[@PizzaFrix]

@@yeastofthoughtsmind9623Do you forget 3 things: First one latency mixed with a cheapshot could be deadly and uncounterable,; Second to have on over 90% magic protection shield you need lothric knight tower shield so you need a strenght build to use it ; Third if you just play safe avoiding with perfect rolls you can just hope for a draw... That' not how a competitive fight works . And only a bad mage could be defeated just waiting is out of blue juice .I've saw mages beat easelly with farron dart an arbalest cancer build.... So yeha not too uncompetitive

[@BIGNASTY1234556]

@@yeastofthoughtsmind9623 lol I've fought ppl like you before and it's hilarious on my caster I just use crystal hail repeatedly and you guys are always like "heh I'll just run away until he runs out" then I cast crystal homing soulmass and since that and crystal soul spear has similar charge times I just pop that or farron flash sword to roll catch you then or the preachers right arm WA BAM your dead I love shutting down cowards who think all I got are 2 spells and I'm just going to miss lol you scrubs just don't realize to be a caster you gotta do more than spam r1 hence why everyone think it sucks nah you just can't be a idiot with it

[@damionkweiser4149]

@@BIGNASTY1234556 you've just been better than most opponents. I've never lost to a single caster class, due to the fact that I keep my distance to shut down the possibility of a roll catch attack, I've never been hit by a sorcery, and when they go for a blue I pick at their health. When they're out it's free game. Only one caster ever damaged me, and that was with the aqua dagger when it was new and caught me offguard. I'm not trashing casters, I have one built myself, but they're not the best for pvp. Your strategy is simple and weak. Time, health, and reaction time are all your enemy. So is your own FP and range. Once I just ran from a caster and bowed him down with the pharis (unbuffed, just happened to have it).

[@BIGNASTY1234556]

@@damionkweiser4149 lol "your just better than your opponents" I don't think you understand the power of free aiming but the farron flashsword isn't bad either I have plenty of fp for guys who like to just try to run casting isn't bad lol don't just dismiss people I fight as "bad" just because I won as I said before a majority of people are use to just wearing a set of armor and pressing r1 casting isn't bad it just takes alot more to do it don't blame the style it's the player while it takes you about 5 swings to kill me I just need 1 CSP or maybe a 5 farron flashsword with the added pressure of CHSM and when y think I'm casting a homing soulmass and you go to punish me but instead you eat a CSP that's a great moment for me

[@zngreaper9029]

you do realize that low level affinity invasions are a big thing with morrian blade and RTSR with an experienced player. you can easily get over 1000 damage with it at 40/40 faith int, RTSR, Morrian, and a good spell buff cat. (i think sorc is the best at 40/40 or maybe court sorc. cant remember)

[@AriadneG-1954]

Soul great sword is good when combined with heysel pick for a crazy combo damage.

[@andrewmaxwell6536]

Um... seek guidance can also be used to bring up summon signs when you are un embered. I also believe you can summon more people if you use it. Then use dark finger and summon another person... and you can get up to 3 people helping you. (I think. Correct me if I'm wrong)

[@Marines_Memelevolent]

You know shit just got serious when the YT avatar crosses his arms while talking about fireball.

[@TheBennyester]

About iron flesh, you see there's this thing where when you're a phantom the iron skin doesn't appear and other than your slow walking others have no way of telling that you buffed yourself with it. I lost count on how many times I punished overly agressive players in PVP with it.

[@mwperk02]

Also Quickstep is a thing that negates the mobility debuff iron flesh gives you.

[@TheBennyester]

@@mwperk02 Exactly, couple that with a warmth spell that let's you tank a hit or two more and forces your opponent to do something instead of letting you heal you're in a pretty good spot. Except when thei're a sorcerer.

[@bobmcbob49]

I dunno, getting killed by a boss immediately after missing with a fireball is kindof my signature.

[@Casketkrusher_]

The Way of White Corona has gotten a major buff in real life.

[@Mare_Man]

While I agree with most of the list, what are Soul Greatsword, Affinity and Fireball/the other Orb pyromancies doing anywhere near it? My Sorcerers have always used Soul Greatsword to great effect, it does roughly the same damage as a Great Heavy Soul Arrow while costing less FP. And it's sweeping motion makes groups of enemies fall like grass in front of a scythe. Affinity works great when there are a few enemies in front of you and you want to murder one while another gets staggered/murdered by the spell, or when you want to hit one big guy twice but your spell is too slow. Fireball is the *starting* pyromancy, of course it's gonna be outclassed almost immediately. The other Orb spell casting times are a non-issue once you learn *pacing,* and work wonders as a main source of fire/dark damage. I think the #1 spot should honestly go to basically *any* of the Golden Sorceries, since none of them are really useful in the slightest. The other two slots could go to something like Heal Aid or Warmth.

[@jacobgreaney2809]

also wtf is profaned flame doing there it is so good for handling crowd control situations and for dealing damage at range. can also catch unsuspecting people off in pvp or put them in an unfavourable position

[@Mare_Man]

@@jacobgreaney2809 I've honestly never used it, so I can't comment on that one

[@kaarpiv375]

Mercury mist. Unless the game fucked up *royally,* no one'll be killed by this, PvP or PvE.

[@jacobgreaney2809]

@@Mare_Man should give it a try man its super fun

[@blasterman1000]

The only useful golden sorcery is hidden body (for PvE, it's a godsent if you just want to zerg rush your way through some unpleasant areas when combined with the slumbering dragoncrest ring)

[@xieotv2386]

I do blind play throughs because I like to play games the way they are intended to be played so seek guidance was a good one.

[@sparklepawz1185]

Profaned flame is commonly used in ganks though. The gank pyromancer usually spams it behind the Havel monster door shield as the mage fires CSS.

[@arenteus73]

Soul Stream is actually INSANELY useful in certain situations for a super buffed up mage build. If you use the binocular trick for aiming, and have the right stats, you can one-shot most players with this spell from 2 kilometers away. Does need a lot of practice to master, though. It's wind-up time does make is fairly useless in many situations, though, I'll give you that...

[@pootnation8189]

When the KZbinrs animated character crosses their arms you know shits getting real. This man.... He's on some shit.

[@rakshithanand8262]

really not sure about Emit Force here. Sure, its situational, but it excels in PvE vs shield enemies- even greatshield ones like Havel/ Ringed K***ht. Guarantees 2-3 hits with a weapon of choice for 20FP? Great trade.

[@Shin_FTW]

I've used Affinity alongside all of the Soul Masses, and Affinity actually does good damage. For one, it's Dark, and not many things have resistance to Dark, but since it's Dark it also scales off of both Int and Faith, so you need both to use it to its fullest. The speed never bothered me, and sometimes I'd used the slightly longer delay to my advantage. Lifehunt Scythe and Soul Greatsword are about the same for me. I never found their damage to be _terrible_ exactly, though not the best. There's definitely openings where it's easy to land a cast of them on the enemy, and I'd say they're more for the style points. Profaned Flame has its uses over other Pyromancies, sometimes. Since it's not a standard projectile, it can't be blocked by some terrain getting between you and the enemy, and it hits pretty fast while having the added benefit of knocking things down or off ledges. Not great for PvP though. PvE the enemies aren't smart enough to take advantage of its disadvantages.

[@fashionbeard]

Hey you there, I use profaned flame in PVP and it works fine for me. Hmmm I think the problem is in your build, make sure you have the correct rings and git gud

[@ridespirals]

this video seems entirely focused on pve to me. which is fine, but all spells have different effectiveness in pve or pvp. I see farron dart a lot in pvp (well, not that much but more than 0), but in pve it's useless even as a pulling tool, since your FP would be better served in another spell and throwing knives are cheap af.

[@sonicsucks2961]

I think your fighting casuals if they are actually losing to a pyro build

[@crimsonlanceman7882]

@@sonicsucks2961 how many hours, dota 3 boy?

[@exoghostclasses3581]

@@sonicsucks2961 2 morion blades and chaos bed vestiges can deal up to 1000 damage.

[@higaiwokeru]

RacistSonic If the guy in the video puts a pyromancy like fireball, a starter pyromancy that is supposed to be replaced and shouldn’t be used in a fucking black knight, at the first play What does that say about him? Casul?

[@Zach-cn4lb]

“It’s only applications are limited to the first couple areas of the game” Uh, yea. That’s why you start with it. To use it in the first areas of the game, then replace it with a better spell when you get that far and have the stats for it. That’s the point. It’s not a bad thing that it’s a beginner spell. That’s like complaining that the weapons you start with don’t do well against Midir if you don’t upgrade them.

[@KikoLondorShade]

9:25 clearly you haven't, since you have no clue that dark sorceries scale like pyros in DS3, and you're also using an unupgraded staff to cast Affinity. Pry never touched pvp either, because soul greatsword is phenomenal in the right hands, even comes with a few true combos. Fireball is dirt cheap on fp, and actual deals solid damage, especially against foes weak to it. Seriously, there's a myriad of spells that are monumentally worse. Have you even seen Acid surge? 2/10. Can't even tell the guy to git gud, at least git decent first.

[@daltongarrett3393]

I think you should reconsider your opinions on soul greatsword and great farron dart. They’re two great go-to spells for PvP sorcerers. Soul greatsword can put out 600+ damage on a meta caster build, and provides a complimentary melee option to flashsword. GFD doesn’t do remarkable damage, but it’s so cheap and can be cast so quickly that it’s great for maintaining pressure, punishing whiffs and heals, and chipping in general. A meta build caster can get it to do around a hundred damage, which can really add up over time

[@blasterman1000]

He was putting Farron dart on the list *specifically* because Great Farron Dart exists. He spends time talking about Great Farron Dart because it's literally a direct upgrade to Farron Dart, rendering the former absolutely defunct.

[@daltongarrett3393]

blasterman1000 I’m aware, but he did say some negative things about GFD as well

[@blasterman1000]

@@daltongarrett3393 Well, he's honestly not really wrong about those points. While if you were building a sorcerer it's not going to be too much of an investment, 23 intelligence compared to 8 is a lot of early game levels that could go into a different spell, and at meta level a magic (as opposed to dark) sorcery build will have more damaging spells at their disposal that are not too much slower and honestly, the purpose it fulfills is exactly that of a throwing knife, harrassing and keeping a little bit of pressure on a target while they, say, try and heal or are dodge rolling another thing. Neither of them stagger and beneath meta levels it you might very well do more with throwing knives *without* as much investment in dexterity as it would take in intelligence. Now I'll fully admit, I'm probably talking out of my ass there but the function of the two are effectively the same, except one won't cost a sorcerer any FP to throw and end them up just a couple FP shy of that spell they needed to actually finish off their target. At meta levels you're probably right, but he already admitted the things that GFD is good at, but just decided to mention it can be done by other things and isn't so vitally important really when you have other spells that can also be used to harrass.

[@daltongarrett3393]

blasterman1000 well yeah, but on a meta sorcerer build, you’ll have 60 intelligence and next to no points in dexterity since you can just use the sage ring. Throwing knives will fulfill that purpose for a melee build that has the points in dexterity, but they do next to no damage for a sorcerer, hence the need for GFD.

[@daltongarrett3393]

blasterman1000 also, now that you mention dark magic, he really gave affinity less credit than it deserves. Affinity’s slow movement is actually an advantage. You throw it out, and use it to force rolls while you cast spells that are more damaging like CSS. Granted, I will say that great soul dregs does the job a bit better, but they’re both fairly functional. I believe It was saint riot that said “having great soul dregs is like having another player on your side” because of its persistent presence

[@Apsolon]

A lot of the spell was just too specific for it use so I don't understand why it bad. Like seek guidance for example, some peoples don't like looking shit up like lazy bastard and prefer to just seek it out for themselves using in game stuff. Or some of them are beginners spell that they give you to start off with, have you ever play an mmorpg and expect a beginner weapons to be good? I understand if it is like end game stuff and be bad like the firelink greatsword, clearly deserves to be on a list since it endgame weapon and should be good but the fireball spell is for beginner, why is it even on the list?

[@hyruleprotector6897]

Profaned Flame is actually, pretty good. Due to it's long wing up it actually often catches experienced players in PvP and its AOE is actually pretty busted, I have sweeped entire areas with just it. Word of advice though, use it in close range in PvP so you can go straight into physical attacks while the spell winds up, you will catch sooo many in a "Bullshit cancer" stunlock that you'll eventually start feeling kinda bad

[@creamed9593]

"Soul great sword is bad" *You have provoked a gang war*

[@erndeche1475]

Emit Force was actually really strong in DS2, and pretty good in DS1, but yeah it sucks in 3.

[@tylerelmore4419]

Hear me out: Life Hunt Scythe At least 40 Faith+Int Ring of the Sun's First Born Dark Clutch Ring Sunless Talisman Only useful NG+ and beyond, but still really good.

[@hobosorcerer]

Ooh, alright. I'm going into this with the benefit of the doubt. Let's see what you think. Edit: Oh, oh my god. Almost every single point you make- even on spells that I'd agree aren't very good- seems to have been formed in an offline-mode vacuum of ignorance. Have you never played against someone whose careful use of affinity constantly forces you to reposition? The tracking is absolutely wonderful in PvP- nearly guaranteeing hits from some spells like farron hail. What about someone with optimized sorcery stats, whose great farron darts land for 200+ damage a hit? A little more threatening than a magic throwing knife. Also, you failed to mention that the farron dart spells' animations can be chained with farron flash-sword. This is an essential mechanic for both spells, and failing to bring it up shows how little you seem to know about spells in DS3. I could go over more obvious points- like how you called a starting spell "the worst spell," or how you simply forgot that Seek Guidance allows you to summon phantoms without an ember- but that's been done to death in the comments here. If you ever need me to back up my knowledge on DS3 spellcasting, I'm open for duels.

[@norseorworse3726]

Wow I'd actually like to talk with you cause I'm new to dark souls and I've only beaten ds1 1 time and I'm currently on newgame and I'd like to play ds2 and ds3 and I'm looking for advice as to what I should go for mostly

[@dariuspenner2528]

Profaned flame is actually pretty great if you can free aim if since it’s delayed enough to catch people out of a roll. It’s more of a utility spell you can use as a mixup instead of just spamming chaos bed vestiges. Soul greatsword can be combo’d into out of a Heysel pick R1. This combo hit incredibly hard and has only recently been replaced by R1 into old moonlight. You’re also using the wrong catalyst to get good damage out of your spells. The slow projectile speed of affinity is what makes it good. You can easily get your opponent to burn through multiple rolls using this spell which makes it a lot harder to dodge than homing crystal soul mass. And even though the damage is a little lower, it can still one shot people when combo’d with crystal soul spear. Affinity is good for the same reason that great deep soul is good, slow moving projectiles with good tracking can be irritating to avoid. Farron dart is a good option for capitalizing on broken tears and is just generally good as a harassment option. I’m pretty sure it also has a higher damage:fp cost ratio than its great counterpart. That’s the trend with every other sorcery, where you trade efficiency for greater burst damage. While lifehunt scythe isn’t great it’s definitely not bad. It’s a melee miracle you can poisecast. The biggest issue I have with it is it’s range and you’d have to be against a pretty slow weapon to reactively trade, in which case you’d be losing the trade since that weapon will have hyper armour. This however is all done through a PvP perspective. In PvE all that matters is raw damage output, with very few utility spells even being useful. Like pyromancers only really need chaos bed vestiges since it’s their best spell. Sorcerers only need crystal soul spear and great soul arrow. And faith builds really don’t get anything tolerable until late game. Cast speed, combos, and spell utility doesn’t really come into the equation when bosses give ample time to cast even without the sage’s ring, so all you need is a high damage output. For useless spells I’d say repair and cast light are both beyond useless. Only a handful of weapons (like the washing pole) ever become in danger of breaking before you reach your next bonfire and there’s no areas in the game dark enough to warrant the cast light sorcery being used. Wrath of the gods is also god awful because of how slow it is. The only time you’re going to hit someone with it is when there’s multiple people fighting so it’s easier to get this long ass casting animation off without people slowly walking away from you to avoid getting hit. Flame fan has pitiful range and can’t be poise cast so good luck using that without getting staggered. And Farron hail just has too long of a casting animation and the hits don’t stun so you can just backstab it.

[@erndeche1475]

Okay you've got a point about hidden weapon. Bursting Fireball on the other hand, does some ridiculous damage if you can hit with all or even most of the shots by being at the right range and time. Fireball? Dude, it's doing over 300 damage to those hollows, but you just had to hide that by using it only against enemies with more than ~280 hp (!?!) by only casting it against insanely fire resistant black knights and stone gargoyles? Give me a break. You intentionally made it look much worse than it is. Granted it's not fantastic, but it's not trash either.

[@joelsharman9534]

The way of the white corona hasn’t aged well

[@camiloruizdevelasco4865]

Seek guidence is used for looking summon signs without an ember

[@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149]

Doesn't seek guidance also reveal summon signs?

[@celleryvon9546]

Lifehunt scythe just looks cool. That's the only reason I use it from time to time.

[@L4sket]

I really don't understand how this video doesn't have a worse like / dislike ratio considering how bad the list actually was and at how many DS3 PvPers corrected you. I guess they had mercy upon you.

[@thatoneprowithnoskill8399]

Lol I agree with most of what u said but the stuff I don’t agree with u on that makes me question if u ever played the pvp part of this game

[@iota-09]

Pretty much, especially invasions, that's where chip damage spells and miracles shine(ironically i'd say)

[@mwperk02]

@@iota-09 Force is Death for poor gank squads who underestimate their opponents.

[@AnonYmousPeRsOnAAAAA]

The Way of the White Corona really hasn’t aged well.

[@DemoniteBL]

I can't be bothered watching this video completely and listening to what he has to say, it's all just wrong and misinformed. First of all the builds used in the video are bad. Now to the actual spells: Profaned Flame is a high damage AoE spell, a larger AoE than your regular pyromancies excluding maybe Chaos Bed Vestiges, but it still has it's own uses. You literally showcased a clip of you oneshotting two enemies at once with it... It's also good for a switch-up in PvP. Soul GS is a massive help for pure sorcerers that don't want to use a melee weapon, so that you're able to hit multiple nearby enemies at once. Why would you not want to use a melee weapon? 1: It's fun and challenging 2: It saves points. Not to mention how great it can be in PvP. Farron Flashsword, Old Moonlight and Dark Edge can all be great if you know how to use them. Emit Force is a utility spell, not a damage dealer. I don't need to mention what you can do with it during invasions, everyone can imagine it. As for PvE, there are scenarios where you can use it to push enemies off a ledge, not really something you can specifically build around, but there are definitely far worse spells that weren't on this list, I'll talk about those later. Affinity... What the hell? How could anyone think this is a bad spell? It's a Homing Soulmass for dark sorcerers, judging from the builds used in the video the uploader probably doesn't know that dark spells work better on a INT/FTH build than on a pure INT build. And even on INT builds it's good, since some enemies resist magic damage. And this is a brilliant spell for PvP. Fire Storm etc. are underwhelming, I agree. They're mostly useless in PvP and can have some niche uses in PvE just like Emit Force, but not really worth using in most cases. (Great) Farron Dart is excellent in PvP, it's the Fire Surge for INT builds. Basically a better throwing knife. For PvE it's really not that great, but can still be used for trash mobs or to finish enemies off without wasting FP. Either way, just the PvP aspect makes it a great spell. Lifehunt Scythe is the Soul GS for faith builds. Its damage isn't as good but it can be poise casted and has lifedrain. Again, on a pure caster it's great for PvE. Way of White Corona is trash. It's not even worth using if you nail the sweetspot range. The video got 2 spells correct so far... Seek Guidance...? If you're gonna put that on the list also include Cast Light, Repair etc. You can make an entire list of useless utility spells that only exist for the lore. Nobody cares about these. Bursting Fireball (and Farron Hail) have their purpose for PvP to catch oppenents with pre-aiming and do chip damage. For PvE they're decent if everything hits. I get the feeling this guy never did PvP before, because Hidden Weapon literally only exists for PvP and it does what it is supposed to do. Hide your weapon. This can catch people off-guard quite effectively, especially if you cast it before they can see your weapon (obviously). Iron Flesh is for tanking shenanigans. Can be very annoying to deal with in PvP. For PvE I suppose it's not that great, but honestly I never tried to do anything with it before. I still wouldn't call it trash. Soul Stream has the longest range of all spells, it's a sniper that shoots a laser beam. Has many uses in PvE, yes often it is outclassed by CSS, but it can still do things CSS can't (and it's fun). For PvP it's again useful as a sniper together with the Obscuring Ring during invasions. In duels you can catch enemies with it by pre-aiming since the projectile speed is super fast, but that will usually not deal a lot of damage unless your oppenent tries to attack you or something. And finally... Fireball? Fucking Fireball? What? Soul Arrow, Heavy Soul Arrow, Farron Dart, Deep Soul, Lightning Spear and Soul Spear ALL have superior versions. This is a starting spell. What are you gonna use on a pyromancer when you first start the game if not this spell? Obviously it's not an endgame spell, it wasn't meant to be. What is the purpose of mentioning this spell? Edit: After actually watching the part about Fireball, I guess the intention was to say Fireball and all of its versions except Great Chaos Fire Orb suck? I already mentioned Bursting Fireball, Fire Orb is in fact an endgame spell for PvE when you don't need as much damage and want to save FP and Chaos Bed Vestiges... No comment. Now finally, actual bad spells: Soul Spear - if you don't meet the reqs for CSS then GHSA is simply better in every way. SS deals just slightly more damage than GHSA but costs a crap ton more FP. If you want to min-max your damage and oneshot things, you should have the reqs for CSS, so this spell has no purpose for PvP. For PvE it has the benefit of piercing enemies, but that's not helpful in plenty of situations and not really worth using it over GHSA unless you specifically only fight tight groups of enemies. Dead Again - The time you spent setting up a trap that will probably not even work is time you can invest in actually progressing in the game or attacking your PvP opponent. I have never seen anyone do anything with this. Fire Whip - Inferior to Black Flame and Great Combustion in every way I can think of. Only useful in PvP when you can catch your opponent off guard and stunlock them, but combustion spells are faster and in PvE definitely equate to more DPS. There are many more "meh" spells that I'd rate similar to Fire Storm, but for the sake of keeping it a bit less long I won't go over those. Anyway, this is a bad video.

[@SAHSLSW]

hey, I think white corona is useful, I mean, I use it to cancel some attacks for the enemy and make pressure, the thing is ( in the most case) not throw at the enemy directly neither use the target lock. At least it works to me

[@greeny544]

Wow i just read a novel

[@zeal705]

Dｅmｏnｉtｅ does this apply to all dark magic spells? Like all are based on INT/FTH?

[@canaldeumdesucupadoaleator853]

Best comentary

[@DemoniteBL]

@@zeal705 Sorry for the late reply, but offensive dark spells scale better with some catalysts that have both INT and FTH scaling. For example the Izalith Staff or Caitha's Chime. Those only boost dark spells that directly deal damage, not something like Dark Blade. And not all catalysts that scale with INT and FTH synergize with dark spells, for example the Crystal Chime only synergizes with magic and lightning damage sorceries/miracles. Catalysts that only scale with 1 stat like the Court Sorcerer's Staff obviously won't boost dark spells with investment into FTH, but dark spells are still viable on pure INT or pure FTH builds.

[@chakatBombshell]

Profaned Flame is actually pretty okay if you aren't using it for damage. It's knockdown is good for getting in on enemies and use the spell to force rolls into your attacks or to force stamina drain. Emit force is great in certain areas of the game.

[@KianaKaslana366]

I assume this is all from a PvE perspective. Cause right from Number 10 I just laughed, I never found Profaned Flame to be shit. Then again I have way too much time in PvP.

[@SoeZ-M4]

Its just like black serpent, easy to evade. Imo piros only need to use 3 spells for pvp: Black flame, chaos vestiges and fire surge.... maybe sheeting chaos idk Truly, why would someone spend life time casting anything when you can just spawn chaos bed vestiges xd

[@KianaKaslana366]

@@SoeZ-M4 Cause Vestiges doesn't do anything against a good player. It's fairly easy to dodge and costs tons of FP on the other person to be wasting by spam.

[@sonicsucks2961]

@@KianaKaslana366 Profane flame is easier to dodge that a non skilled player can dodge it so your point is?

[@KianaKaslana366]

@@sonicsucks2961what? It isn't meant to spam. Go ahead and watch ChaseTheBro for an example of good Profaned Flame use.

[@redcarp9867]

Fire Pillar spells were so useful in clearing out rooms filled with enemies I don’t want to deal with right now in Dark Souls 2. It’s a shame they got nerfed so hard like that.

[@SaltedMallows]

Force is a PvP spell good for cheesing gank squads by knocking ppl off ledges

[@mwperk02]

Force the most essential tool in any trolls arsenal.

[@fraxnetfree5]

I love this part: 9:00 "Fuck it. I'll just beat him up with my wand. That's a lot faster."

[@tarvo6938]

rusty plz do a dark souls boss rankings video just a suggestion

[@lechengli3204]

Judging from this video,he's gonna say the hardest boss is Deacons or Wolnir.

[@L4sket]

@@lechengli3204 I remember when once my Dark Souls glitched. Wolnir was actually fucking scary (I legit had no lights in the arena, it was as dark as when you first enter the boss). And the crystal sage... man, that boss was bugged to hell for some reason. We're talking about instant teleports and appearances with not even the real one in the "round".

[@MrBuns-yi2hk]

Base Fireball really does suck. Even for a starter spell, it does awful damage.

[@joules5preston975]

Could you do one on worst weapons?

[@divockorigi843]

No darksouls is shit fucking hollow knight 10x better

[@turtlebomb4418]

@@divockorigi843 someone seems salty

[@divockorigi843]

@@turtlebomb4418 its a fact

[@turtlebomb4418]

@@divockorigi843 oh fuck i didnt see the name lol

[@daigoroec]

a little misinformation here. most of the spells you have mentioned have to be played unlocked. afinity can oneshot. white corona is the fastest miracle. farron greatsword is a great rollcatcher and combos whith heysel pick... there are worst spells

[@slipNslideproduction]

Fireball at number 1? Are you serious?

[@John-fs6ee]

Fire ball isn’t bad with sages ring